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Guest Post: Meet Brandon Bryant: The Drone Operator Who Quit After Killing A Child

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Bryant saw a flash on the screen: the explosion. Parts of the building collapsed. The child had disappeared. Bryant had a sick feeling in his stomach.


“Did we just kill a kid?” he asked the man sitting next to him.


“Yeah, I guess that was a kid,” the pilot replied.


“Was that a kid?” they wrote into a chat window on the monitor.


Then, someone they didn’t know answered, someone sitting in a military command center somewhere in the world who had observed their attack. “No. That was a dog,” the person wrote.


They reviewed the scene on video. A dog on two legs?

- From The Woes of an American Drone Operator published in Der Spiegel

The above article is a must read for every American citizen, particularly those that get up in arms about domestic gun control, but never think twice about the horror caused by our foreign policy, which regularly murders innocent children overseas.  This story was also covered by the UK’s Daily Mail and they write:

A former U.S. drone operator has opened up about the toll of killing scores of innocent people by pressing a button from a control room in New Mexico.


But, after following orders to shoot and kill a child in Afghanistan, he knew he couldn’t keep doing what he was doing and quit the military.

The worst part about this story, other than the story itself, is that I have to go to UK and German media to read about it.  Pathetic.


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Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:39 | 3073838 Alcoholic Nativ...
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My hero.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:43 | 3073844 john39
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His conscience got through...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:05 | 3073954 AnonymousAnarchist
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Obama Admin Demands Judge Dismiss Lawsuits Over Assassination of Citizens (via ICYMI)

"The Obama Administration has demanded that a federal judge throw out a lawsuit relating to the assassination of three US citizens in Obama-ordered drone strikes, saying that questions about overseas kill lists are beyond the purview of the court system and that it is inappropriate to question the president in this regard.

The demand comes with a threat to declare the entire issue of the killings a 'state secret' if the judge doesn't dismiss the lawsuit out of hand, which would make the case as a practical matter virtually impossible."

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:35 | 3073990 TwoShortPlanks
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What, Drone Piloting isn't the same thing as way, you're kidding?! <Sarc/Off>

Yet another person who didn't think or feel before acting...and now what, a life full of thinking and feeling.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:53 | 3074033 Big Slick
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When I read the Old Testament, I often wonder why the US is not a stain on the map when God ended other immoral civilizations for far less than the atrocities we commit.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 03:46 | 3074062 fourchan
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because there is no god. lol jokes on you.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 04:10 | 3074068 Enslavethechild...
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Do you know why they don't train non human primates to operate drones?

 Because you would have to feed, house and train them and pay for their medical needs.

Human primates are willing to do it for little pieces of green paper.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:57 | 3074192 Henry Hub
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Actually the drone operators are military personal. We the taxpayers are paying "to feed, house and train them and pay for their medical needs."

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:34 | 3074234 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Don't worry.  They won't have to do that forever once Skynet takes over.  The computer will kill whomever you tell it to, with cold precision.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:30 | 3074317 cossack55
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Roger that. A good read: Kill Decision by Daniel Suarez

I would highly recommend his earlier two books also.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:02 | 3076527 Michaelwiseguy
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Goyim children are approved to be used as cannon fodder in US flying killer drone robot attacks. Current dead kid body count is 178+.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 13:47 | 3075218 helping_friendl...
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Drone operators are CIA/NSA spooks.

It enables plausable deniability.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:41 | 3074242 Its_the_economy...
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No one is laughing w you.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:00 | 3074264 naitram
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I do

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:41 | 3074342 Urban Roman
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Wrong: more than half are laughing with 4.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:42 | 3074346 Tree of Liberty
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Galatians 6:7

7Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:39 | 3074515 Disenchanted
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In The Name Of God


How can this be?
Why is he the chosen one?


Saint gone astray
With a scepter and a gun


Learn to believe
In the mighty and the strong


Come bleed the beast
Follow me it won't be long


Listen when the prophet
Speaks to you
Killing in the name of God


Twisting faith into violence
In the name of God


Straight is the path
Leading to your salvation
Slaying the weak
Ethnic elimination


Any day we'll all be
Swept away
You'll be saved
As long as you obey


Tools of the devil inside
Written in Holy disguise
Meant to deceive and divide
Us all


Listen when the prophet
Speaks to you
Killing in the name of God


Twisting faith into violence
In the name of God


Blurring the lines
Between virtue and sin
They can't tell
Where God ends
And mankind begins


They know no other
Life but this
From the cradle
They are claimed


Listen when the prophet
Speaks to you
Killing in the name of God


Twisting faith into violence
In the name of God


Hundreds of believers
Lured into a doomsday cult
All would perish
In the name of God


Self-proclaimed messiah
Led his servants
To their death
Eighty murdered
In the name of God


Forty sons and daughters
Un-consenting plural wives
In the name of God


Underground religion
Turning toward
The mainstream light
Blind devotion
In the name of God


Justifying violence
Citing from the Holy Book
Teaching hatred
In the name of God


Listen when the prophet
Speaks to you
Killing in the name of God


Twisting faith into violence
In the name of God


Religious beliefs
Fanatic obsession
Does following faith
Lead us to violence?


Unyielding crusade
Divine revelation
Does following faith
Lead us to violence?


Mine eyes have seen the glory
of the coming of the Lord
he is trampling out the vintage
where the grapes of wrath are stored
he hath loosed the fateful lightning
of his terrible swift sword
his truth is marching on.


glory, glory, hallelujah
glory, glory, hallelujah
glory, glory, hallelujah...

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 00:51 | 3077622 Calculated_Risk
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there's a fucking thing called a link. Use it!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 12:24 | 3074888 CH1
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I often wonder why the US is not a stain on the map when God ended other immoral civilizations for far less

There are a lot of good, decent people in America. Killing the just with the unjust would be no proper action for a just god.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 12:42 | 3074952 TBT or not TBT
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Re the Sodom and Gomorrah sentiment by Big Slick, yeah I live close to both San Francisco(a whole lotta sodom goin on) and Oakland(Gun-more-ah), and hope God's H-bombs have radiation free fallout and pretty clouds....Just a short walk up the hill to spectate comfortably.   Assuming no EMP effects(Immaculate Destruction Assumption alert) we could make microwave popcorn first.  

In this day and age you'll need popcorn to get you through.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 12:48 | 3075001 TBT or not TBT
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Seriously though, if Allahworld and the Vatican and Jimmy Swaggert and both liberal and conservative Jews all share the same God, and given all the Old Testament stuff that She ought to be pouring forth, some doubt is in order, either that or denial induced doubling down on the ol faith thing.     Note that Muslim texts and arab world mentality hold that by being faithful and taking acts in the right direction(knock down a building, shoot up a Ft cafeteria) Allah will be heartened enough to come in and do the rest of the job.   Their book has Jesus coming back as the general in Allah's army, or something, to clean up...children and women included.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 13:00 | 3075067 Imminent Crucible
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"you'll need popcorn to get you through"

I can't emphasize this strongly enough: POPCORN IS NOT ENOUGH!

You will also need beer. And I don't mean that watered-down pitiful swill they call Bud Light. I'm talking REAL BEER. Spaten Doppelbock for me, and whiskey for my horses.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:08 | 3075495 TBT or not TBT
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Indeed, some preppers buy liquor, not even to drink, but as trade goods and disinfectant.   Hadn't heard the idea to drink the stuff or water horses with it, but yeah.   Costco BTW has a store brand vodka that looks like a good deal, per unit of alcohol, and probably very drinkable too.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:43 | 3076200 Imminent Crucible
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Sorry, I can't drink vodka. I don't drink anything that will serve as a motor fuel. Ever heard of "vodka and popcorn"?  Me neither. I think tequila has more flavor than vodka, but I won't drink it either. You have to draw the line somewhere.

But thanks for the heads up.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:21 | 3074217 lakecity55
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So, I guess now the judge is on the Drone List.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:03 | 3073958 AldousHuxley
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Mercy Killing.


You want to kill the parents and have bunch of starving orphans who will grow up as drug dealers or doing the dirty deed for foreign military?


He should have aimed that drone at a bank instead.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:10 | 3074431 kralizec
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Or an abortion clinic.  Think of the lives saved.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:45 | 3074726 Imminent Crucible
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He should have aimed that drone at a bank instead.

Reminds me of the guy who was fed up with dealing with the IRS over back taxes, so he flew his private plane into an IRS office in Austin, killing himself and some low-level IRS clerk. What did he accomplish? What good will come from firing a Hellfire into your local BAC branch? So you kill several tellers and a half dozen Mexican workers in there cashing their paychecks, leaving more loss and pain in the world.

If you're going to fix the world by killing people and flattening buildings (which never worked before), at least target the thugs at the top. How about calling in some aliens from the Hoth system to replicate that scene in Independence Day where the front of the White House blows off?

Nothing changes until we do. And the first change is to walk away from your chains, live more simply and do all you can to stop supporting a corrupted system. Shun debt, because debt is the lifeblood of a fiat currency regime. Starved of debt, the dragon dies. And all of its corporate dragonlets, too: the GE's and Monsantos and Boeings and Lockheed-Martins.

If enough people step out of the corporate box, who knows? Maybe even McDonalds would start serving healthy food and Twinkie Nation would fade away.  Ya never know.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 12:28 | 3074908 CH1
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Nothing changes until we do. And the first change is to walk away from your chains, live more simply and do all you can to stop supporting a corrupted system. Shun debt, because debt is the lifeblood of a fiat currency regime. Starved of debt, the dragon dies. And all of its corporate dragonlets, too: the GE's and Monsantos and Boeings and Lockheed-Martins.


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:44 | 3074237 Element
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Same thing happened with that infamous Wikileaks AH-64D video of the killing of the camera men in Bagdad ... what people don't realise about that is some dude was just driving past with his kids in the family van, and sees some innocent guy bleeding out in agony so does the human thing, he stops with great concern, and tries to help this poor guy to survive.

Would that even happen in a western city? Or would we see it, comprehend it, and just keep driving? I guess he was 'stoopid', right? Remember when we used to make a big-deal out of helping even wounded enemy soldiers, and treating them with dignity and equal medical care ... ha!  yeah, forget that. But I do remember it well.

So this guy's family got hosed with 30mm fire, not once, but several times, but two Longbows (american and brit pilots).

But, there's an extended extra sequence to that video that most people don't know about. It shows the very same british AH-64 pilot (who first fired on the van) then follows some of the concerned male onlookers down the street to their family home. These guys left the area after seeing the massacre, so the pilots and commanders simply presumed these guys must be baddies too.

So what did they do?  Send some troops to check them out, see if they were baddies?

Nope, they put not one, but two Hellfire missile through their windows ... killing everyone inside, no doubt.

So the same pilot wiped out the camera guys, the family in the van, and the family in the home, probably before lunch.

Peace be with you all.

And that's how these drone pilots, AND the urban terrorists in the helicopters do their 'professional' duty and business.

It is in effect just as a-moral as a video game in practice.

But fortunately that was a 'Just War' though, the dick and the doubya said so.

Otherwise it would be the face of pure-evil rolling across the face of the Earth once more, and we all know that isn't true!


... oh ... wait


Wasn't that supposed to never happen again, words to that effect?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:58 | 3074393 knukles
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"'Just War' though, the dick and the doubya said so."

Not as if dick and doubya are the only personalities or ideologues pursuing such activities.  There's a Nobel Prize winner form the Supposed "Other, Opposing" Ideology doing One Hell of a Fine Job Expanding the Activities Globally.

BTW, I concur with the entire preceding thesis excepting the isolation of the two cited.... ain't no difference.  Is a problem of philosophy and principles, not personalities

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:07 | 3074424 Element
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course.  sorry to mention names, just relevant to that dynamic developing, nothing intended or attached to it. I could have said 9-11, several things  ;)

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:30 | 3074491 Joe Davola
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That's the biggest problem: one side gripes about the expanded powers the other is employing - until it's their turn and they then expand those already unconscionable tactics.


With 24/7 video surveillance, face expression profiling and permanent drone presence, we're about to blow right past any dystopian movie plot.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:15 | 3074647 Element
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already did dystopic

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:35 | 3074701 Overfed
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Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:50 | 3074756 Imminent Crucible
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Here's the video:

Look around, there's a lot more there.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 12:15 | 3074843 Element
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Sure, there is the original video which I'm sure you've probably seen, called:

Collateral Murder - Wikileaks - Iraq

But there is another of the same events, and more after it, but it claims to be from "Afghanistan", but is of the same event in Bagdad. I even extracted the audio from the videos and expanded the gain of the squelched parts and you can then plainly hear the full audio of communications occurring between them and commanders during the engagement

(i.e they didn't cut the audio, they just reduced the gain of it, and it can still be recovered, if you want to hear what actually went on).

This other sequence is more detailed than the WikiLeaks released video, and contains the engagement I described above towards the end:

U.S Gunship taking out Targets in Afghanistan (Warning Graphic video) (High)

Same thing from another link:


As you can see, it was quite a meaningless brutal pseudo-disciplined blood-thirsty rampage, with very little effective or realistic checking the facts.

Not one of those people should have died. If that one camera lens had not poked around the corner it may not have happened at all, but these guys were itching to kill 'baddies', and once it started, their high-tech enabled fantasy took over, and the terrorists came out to play.


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:19 | 3075538 TBT or not TBT
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This is whole lotta "high dudgeon" hogwash, people.    Know how the ex-Soviets did things, and recently?  Some town had some people in it they didn't like, they surround it and shell it...SHELL, i.e. artillery raining down, industrially, blowing everthing and everybody to smithereens, indiscriminately, children included.    The Democrats also did this in WWII, Curtis Lemay style.   Lots of old city centers in Europe were blown to small bits.    in Japan too, duh.    Stalin and Mao went after it even more wholesale, starving people to death en masse with organized famines, lining em up to save bullets, long trenches and earth moving equipment.   Hutus and Tutsis had at it by the millions, hacking babies out of the womb etc, pretty recently.   An unknown number of millions died duing Congo's internal strife.    Pol Pot got busy.   

The mistake here was letting this sad story of collateral get much traction outside of the military.   You had to hear about it from foreign press because the domestic press will not do anything to put Obama in a bad light.    It was 180 degrees the opposite when it was Bush in the oval office.    Absurd whiny stories about a koran accidentally getting a drop of urine on it were presented to us as High Crimes.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:24 | 3074666 aerojet
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Eventually...when the demons started to eat away at him and destroy him.  I don't know how these fucking people live with themselves.  The US has no business in Afghanistan or Iraq, no matter what the 9/11 liars say.  Wholesale murder--to keep the arms makers living the high life you need a hot war going on all the time.

Our country is just so sick--and then we're surprised when all the ticking time bombs that have been created start going off.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:06 | 3073890 NemoDeNovo
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I agree I give him +7,000,000,000 for being a Human, and not just a Soldier


Maybe there is hope for us yet?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:26 | 3073922 Excursionist
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I'd ease off the kudos a bit.. he did push the button and waxed a kid.  Not like he's a martyr who opted to go to the brig for disobeying an order.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:31 | 3073928 NemoDeNovo
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True, buit I can Respect that at least he figured it out, I know I "Figured it Out" on my 3rd tour in '93.  Don't we all get a chance to redeem our past mistakes?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:07 | 3073963 AldousHuxley
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figure what out?


that getting paid min wage to kill other human beings while being away from family for some medal of honor is a shitty deal?


war worth fighting is when old white men are on the front lines.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:55 | 3074193 Cloud9.5
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Kind of like what you found in the trenches at Vicksburg.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:44 | 3074245 spinone
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war worth fighting is when old white Rich men are on the front lines.

Fixed it for you

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:41 | 3074018 TwoShortPlanks
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I click on the button <Redeem> when I cash in my frequent flyer points.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:25 | 3074675 aerojet
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The answer is yes.  But you have to work at it every day.  You can't live your life dwelling on the past, but you do have to demonstrate the wisdom that was discovered through making others suffer.  And you may still burn for it no matter what.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 12:35 | 3074925 CH1
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I "Figured it Out" on my 3rd tour in '93.  Don't we all get a chance to redeem our past mistakes?

Yes you do, DeNovo. Redeem them well.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:32 | 3073932 ILikeBoats
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The guy couldn't cancel the bomb in time. Maybe he doesn't deserve the Nobel Peace Prize, but, he acted according to his conscience and paid a price for doing so.  That should get some respect.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:48 | 3074026 Bananamerican
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Bryant posted a drawing on Facebook the night before our interview. It depicts a couple standing, hand-in-hand, in a green meadow, looking up at the sky. A child and a dog are sitting on the ground next to them. But the meadow is just a part of the world. Beneath it is a sea of dying soldiers, propping themselves up with their last bit of strength, a sea of bodies, blood and limbs.

Doctors at the Veterans' Administration diagnosed Bryant with post-traumatic stress disorder. General hopes for a comfortable war -- one that could be completed without emotional wounds -- haven't been fulfilled. (yea, AI drone strikes will be the most likely "answer" to this "problem"... Either that, or USAF will hire more amoral dumbshits, like the pregnant gal "pilot" who considered herself "a warrior" unlike the docile burka wearing women who's husbands she mindlessly blows away all day long from thousands of miles away) Indeed, Bryan's world has melded with that of the child in Afghanistan. It's like a short circuit in the brain of the drones.

Why isn't he with the Air Force anymore? There was one day, he says, when he knew that he wouldn't sign the next contract. It was the day Bryant walked into the cockpit and heard himself saying to his coworkers: "Hey, what motherfucker is going to die today?"


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:30 | 3073997 TwoShortPlanks
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"Maybe there is hope for us yet?"

I doubt it.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:14 | 3073970 Dr. Sandi
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I didn't see a link to the original story in Spiegel, so here it is"


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:50 | 3074029 Oldrepublic
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Some of those “heroes,” the drone operators will some day in the future be facing war crimes charges

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 13:19 | 3075135 blunderdog
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Given what passes for "justice" on this planet, you're probably correct about that.  Destroy someone's mind, then punish him for it after moving the goalposts later.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:30 | 3074173 I am on to you
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Your hero killed a child?And was it, just one child,did they make a search in the building before.

Where is the heroic in that!

Like the Bye bye miss American pie,puff a few peasants.

There is no heros in Eumerica,never were!

 When Steve Jobs die,milions cry,when millions(included children,Irak 500.00M.Albright) dies in far eats and midlle east,due to crone murders,no one cry.

The world aint New,and least Brave,just enslaved,Huxley knew(didnt you),due to his freinds,the Freemasons!

Free soma for everyone!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:56 | 3074194 j0nx
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Somewhere in all that garbled English is a fine message. Work on that.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:45 | 3074182 LongSoupLine
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Nobel fucking Prize "Winner".

Fuck you, Chicago two faced fucking asshole. Eat shit.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:56 | 3074387 unrulian
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Nobel fucking Prize "Winner".

Fuck you, Eurozone two faced fucking asshole. Eat shit.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 12:15 | 3074853 Againstthelie
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The hypocritical president is squeezing tears into cameras and the cattle is not recognzing the hypocrisy but is impressed...Hail Democracy that made all this possible...


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:40 | 3073840 ShakaZulu
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Anyone besides me believe this story will never get any play on TV?  

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:47 | 3073857 Ignatius
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All built on the big, fat lie that is 'The Official Narrative of 9/11'.

Start with WTC Building 7:

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:32 | 3073930 Real Estate Geek
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Excellent commentary in The Onion:

Ho, Ho, Ho! 9/11 Was An Inside Job!

by Santa Claus

Seasons greeting from your old friend Santa! My, my, Christmas is just two short weeks away, and everyone here at the North Pole can't wait to deliver presents to all you nice boys and girls this year. Yes, Jolly ol' St. Nicholas hopes you're all being as good as can be!

But today, Santa would like to tell you all about something very naughty, something very, very naughty indeed. Dear children, have you not heard? Why, 9/11 was an inside job! Oh, ho, ho, my, yes it was!

I mean, look at the facts, boys and girls! We already know the Bush administration was itching to go to war in Iraq, now, don't we? Yes, indeed we do, my darling ones! The Downing Street memo proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Then you look at the Presidential Daily Briefing of Aug. 6, 2001, the one headlined "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." Ignored! Why, children, they threw that briefing aside like used wrapping paper on Christmas morning, didn't they . . .

Keep reading at:,30705/


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:30 | 3073996 Ignatius
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Very slyly written... it's an endorsement for 9/11 truth in The Onion, of all places!


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:34 | 3073999 TwoShortPlanks
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"Anyone besides me believe this story will never get any play on TV?"

Don't be so negative, sure it will....Al Jazeera.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:10 | 3074432 FrankDrakman
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Sure it does. It's called "Homeland"

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:41 | 3073841 PSEUDOLOGOI

He will be prosecuted as a whisleblower in 3. 2. 1

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:48 | 3074748 jayman21
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or have an accident

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:41 | 3073842 Karlus
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War is hell, that is the whole point of it. Its not meant to be nice or civilized. Its terrible to deter good men from undertaking it lightly.

There is a conflict between innocence and the evil we live with in the world and what we do to protect against it.

We see this in all of our debates. We are fearful because we have lost our way. Good men must go and find it again.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:59 | 3073875 LetThemEatRand
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War is profitable, that is the whole point of it.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:15 | 3073972 freedogger
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So true. Now that they are chaining the CPI, no need to cut <sarc>defense</sarc>.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:56 | 3073948 Bananamerican
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"to deter good men from undertaking it lightly...." bring back the frigging Draft

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 14:00 | 3075258 JimS
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Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:33 | 3074002 TraderTimm
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The problem is the USA is in empire-building mode, and after they get their claws pruned (from crap monetary policy and getting bombed by everyone who hates them), they'll realize that all those military bases and 'sexy' hardware are really large debt-weights that will drag the whole nation down.

If we really believed in "Defense" we'd pull every base that wasn't with an ally, and concentrate on our own borders. But of course, we don't. We have to infect every other government with our "true way", and hell, if we kill some people along the way -- well godammit, they should've respected 'MERICA.

Such complete cheese-on-toast-fucking-bollocks.

The UK had their turn being humbled, the USA is about to experience the same.


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:49 | 3074028 TwoShortPlanks
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"The problem is the USA"....Geezus, where the fuck do you start on that?

Oh, I know; In the Beginning God created the.....

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 03:28 | 3074055 Oldrepublic
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In 1956 during the Suez War, the Brits learned who was the new boss in the world, I wonder what year the US will find who is the new boss?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 05:51 | 3074124 Bobbyrib
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Taiwan will be the first country to find out. I don't think Japan or South Korea will go head to head with China.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:00 | 3074400 unrulian
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just give them a few more years to learn to land on their aircraft carrier

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 04:42 | 3074080 ForTheWorld
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Innocence and evil is relative to the mind dwelling on these concepts, and the Coalition of the Willing have implied that their concept of innocence is worth fighting for, and their concept of the evil of Eurasia or Oceania is a worthy point to direct their aggression at.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:31 | 3074693 aerojet
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Sure thing.  But what is the US fighting for exactly?  The US is still occupying two countries for reasons unknown.  Oh, I guess the withdrawal from Iraq took place, but there's still that gigantic fort embassy there with thousands of support troops and supply convoys.  They're letting the locally grown army and police force do most of the killing now.  Except for the SEAL/Delta covert ops, of course. 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:44 | 3073845 Debtless
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Well that just doesn't fit the narrative here so... what are the Germans saying about our corrupt banking system?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:08 | 3073895 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Ours, or the German banking system? 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:44 | 3073846 LetThemEatRand
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The true irony is that the same people now calling for a gun ban because of a psychotic's criminal act, will mostly shrug and say "collateral damage" to this story rather than pondering why it is per se legal to kill children if you have the right insignia on your weapon when you pull the trigger.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:10 | 3073898 NemoDeNovo
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But, but O[s]Bama doesn't Drone Bomb Children, don't you know.  He sends them Kinetic LOVE Drones, cause he so Liberal, besides anything that you would say different about Bronco is jus raycis </sarc>

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:26 | 3073921 LetThemEatRand
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So go Red Team then?  They invented the fucking drone thingies don't ya know.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:32 | 3073931 NemoDeNovo
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Just to clarify, I am on NO Team except the Human Team.  As far as I'm concerned they can both DIAF.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:38 | 3074175 Winston Churchill
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Drones were first used in 1944 by the Germans as anti shipping weapons.

Primitive TV ,and radio control, but hardly a new weapon of war.

They were very effective for a short time until their limited range was used against


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:32 | 3074695 aerojet
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The Germans attacked legitimate military targets, not Disney cruise lines.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:45 | 3073899 NemoDeNovo
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Double Post, Apologies

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:45 | 3073851 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Mike I can see that you are choosing to write concise articles.  Good for you.

Please tell your friend Max that he should have me on one of his "shows".... know, so that the guy that actually figured out that if we buy enough bullion we could collapse this fucker and create a standard of living that is copesetic for all mankind.


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:46 | 3073855 Flakmeister
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He should watch "In Bruges" and take a hint....

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:07 | 3073892 fuu
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Flakmeister, let's face it. And I'm not being funny. I mean no disrespect, but you're a cunt. You're a cunt now, and you've always been a cunt. And the only thing that's going to change is that you're going to be an even bigger cunt. Maybe have some more cunt kids.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:12 | 3073904 NemoDeNovo
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^^^ What he said ^^^

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:05 | 3074417 unrulian
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Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:56 | 3073920 Flakmeister
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Well, if you want to play video games for real, that is what you get...

Deal with it...  

Edit: In all fairness, he did eventually walk away... but he should have walked from the get-go... I would have.

And you all forget, there is no shortage of those willing to take his place...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:33 | 3073952 fuu
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I retract that bit about your cunt fucking kids.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:23 | 3074468 crusty curmudgeon
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Oh great, wise and superior flakmeister,

What are you doing about this outrage?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:34 | 3074700 aerojet
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He'll hang himself or eat a bullet within 24 months.  The government loves when its killing machines clean up after themselves once they are no longer useful.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:47 | 3073858 UTICA CLUB XX PURE

Drone Operators have no skin in the game theirfore its unethical...


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:11 | 3073903 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Obomba goes to Sandy Hook and cries fake tears, then heads back to the WH for his afternoon Snuff Games.

Maybe our ally Pakistan can ask for a shiny new American missile shield just like the Turks did...after all they are plagued just like the Turks with missiles coming across their border from foreign lands and killing innocents...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:40 | 3074341 GeezerGeek
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Obama lamented the mass slaughter of so many children in once place, but says nothing significant about the children slaughtered in Chicago on a regular basis. And besides engaging in those Snuff Games, he feels not the slightest hint of sympathy while he loads tons of crushing debt on all the other young children of this country. Maybe, in his inner being, he was lamenting the loss of future taxpayers/slaves.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:35 | 3074707 aerojet
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What children in Chicago?  The "kids" in their late teens involved the drug trade that indiscriminately kill each other?  Or do you mean the random kids caught in the crossfire of the drug trade?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 22:34 | 3081341 MeelionDollerBogus
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drug trade should be free-market - the central top-down cops-only big-pharma-only drug-dealing situation is untenable, fascist and a deliberate multiple mass-murder.

Take away the criminal penalty and it will be like selling lemonade or screw-drivers.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 14:24 | 3075355 helping_friendl...
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Read the constitution dude.

Congress loads the debt on and the FRBNY funds it.

The last President who took on the FRBNY got his head blown off (see executive order 11110).

He doesn't have any control of the Jew bankers or the Jew (controlled) Congress.

The Obama's are on a 8 year vacation at taxpayer expense. He has been out of country more than in country.

Go find your Congressman, if you can, and bitch to him. You elected him. I send my Congressman and Senators angry emails at least once a month.

They are probably on a beach in Southern France spending K Street money.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:37 | 3074516 Vendetta
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Neither do politicians when they sort of, kind of declare war on a tactic

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:50 | 3073861 sun tzu
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Those are called freedom bombs by MSNBC and the rest of the lame stream media that used to be anti-war until January 2009. Nightline's Ted Koppel ended his war body count and the media who were suing so they could take and publish photos of dead American servicemen being returned in caskets now rarely bother to mention the American dead anymore. Most of the time they call them NATO casualties.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:56 | 3073868 LetThemEatRand
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Not quite "freedom bombs" (I'll rant another day about the brain workings of those on whom the term "freedom fries" was successfully deployed), but I'll agree that we're seeing the main stream liberal/progressive equivalent which seems to be that so long as you say you are anti-war, the wars you fight don't count.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:49 | 3073862 Animal Cracker
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A real American hero is a guy who will take the scorn in order to speak his heart.


I salute you, bro.  Thank you for truly serving your country,

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:01 | 3073878 brettd
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We have a foreign policy?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:44 | 3074022 TwoShortPlanks
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Yes, it means it was lost overseas somewhere and we're just playing it by ear.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:01 | 3073882 j-dub
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The first American who fires his AR-15 to take out an overhead drone will be the 21st century's Davey Crockett


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:28 | 3073993 Pareto
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dude!  i have totally thought and wished i could be that guy!! hilarious.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:57 | 3074036 Big Slick
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Gonna need one hell of a scope on that thing

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 04:26 | 3074077 Sanksion
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And the long range world champion shooter.

Drones need to land sooner or later to reload. That's the opportunity.

But it would be like, I don't know, fighting against the future, the progress, and so on. It is doomed to fail. Drones tech will prevail.

Hail to the king baby.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:44 | 3074350 GeezerGeek
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There are stories of drones being hackable. Imagine the results if someone (the Chinese?) developed and released a smartphone app that allowed anyone to take control of a drone.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:07 | 3074426 unrulian
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just like in iran it will be some pimply virgin with a phone

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:03 | 3073883 Jim in MN
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Fuck this shit.  If anyone 'cares' about the kids, draw down police state expenditures to fund supportive situations for brilliant but learning disabled Lanza.  Holed up in a global elite enclave AKA pressure cooker, no way out, even his condition about to be erased by the so-called experts....plenty of ways to help him.  He was left to rot.

It's not about gun control.  Guns are just tools.

It's about our priorities as a people.  Spies and drones and murder while the super rich commit crimes with impunity. 

The chickens truly have come home.  Only they brought their friends...the vultures.

Our children only see our greed, our fear, our killing machines.  They simply learn what is put before them.

Have any of you heard of ANYONE changing their agenda as a result of any atrocity, whether it be school shootings, the BP spill, or the financial treason that's gutted America?  Anyone, whether fake liberal or fake conservative?

I didn't think so.  I am perfectly willing to take down spending on things I love to say 1980 levels.  They are important things, like energy R&D.  But I can say we can't afford nice things now, the US is poor for a while.

All around us blindness, betrayal piled upon betrayal.  What, dear ZHers, would YOU give up to right the sinking ship?  What of your sacred cows is more important? 

May God have mercy upon us.  It's a long way down.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:32 | 3073998 Harbanger
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Dude, you're all over the place, you sure you're not a fckng yenta.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:49 | 3074253 Element
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1980, interesting choice ... before PCs proliferated.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:08 | 3073894 williambanzai7
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Aren't the Germans just behind us in arm exports?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:13 | 3073905 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Yes, but we sell way more to the local market. We're blowing them away in local gun crime.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 13:07 | 3075091 aerojet
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I'm pretty sure if you take a look, you will find that while there is a low rate of gun crime across Europe, the incidence of actual overall violent crime is much higher than in the US.  That guns are not used isn't really comforting to those unfortunate victims of stabbings and beatings. The UK and Europe is full of violent, racist, thugs who beat down pretty hard on the populace with impunity since they know almost nobody has the means to defend themselves. 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 03:03 | 3074041 123dobryden
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yes but they never forget to wash their hands, they dont use that stuff themselves.....well actualy they use the profit to subsidize southern lazy cunts, so they can have pools, guaranteed government jobs, 100mils swiss accounts.....


poor german people, i am afraid the stage is set for them to rise again, god save us

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 05:43 | 3074115 Cosimo de Medici
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The US is undeniably a major arms exporter, but the big ticket items that put the US on top of the sales table are mostly dictator viagra, like slick-looking $50 million jets whose primary use is during National Day parades.  Small arms are what does most of the killing, and for that look to China, Russia, the Ukraine, Sweden, Germany, Italy (anti-personnel mines), etc.  Lots of Soviet-era equipment, everything from handguns to SAM-7s came out from Bloc States such as Poland and Czechoslovakia.  It's a nasty business, and dollar value doesn't tell half of the story.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:56 | 3074256 Element
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What we have today is a Spagetti 'Western'.

And a Spagetti Eastern, as well.

 Anything goes, just hope it doesn't go viral so everyone can see it.

With AK's there's usually no footage so a much better tool in that respect.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:08 | 3073896 RideTheWalrus
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The brave builders of nations, the self-proclaimed peacemakers, are busy working to remove man from control of the drones and handing that responsability to programmed I.A. just as they worked hard to remove man from the battlefield and into the safety of hiding behind the veil of a computerized drone. What you don't see doesn't hurt you!

The peacemakers will soon save the drone pilots souls also, as they will be replaced by an ability to deliver precision peace without any involvement from men or women, this is their blessing upon the brave new world! 

But they know better than we, that true peace will only come when the robots can program themselves so the conscience of the programmer can also be saved as peace rains down upon the uninitiated.

The peacemakers will work tirelessly to deliver peace around the world to prove we don't need the law of God when we have the brains of men!


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:51 | 3074187 Winston Churchill
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So much for Asimov's three Laws of Robotics.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 00:49 | 3077620 MeelionDollerBogus
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Ya, pretty much the real-world versions of approximating those rules are for non-weapons, thoughtfully made. As soon as the purpose of the robot is to do harm, or the maker of the robot is too much of a dumbass to consider/comprehend safety, pretty much it and non-robotic tools alike from the same source should have the same expected outcome.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:38 | 3074333 tip e. canoe
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case in point : meet the robots (sponsored by GE)

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:18 | 3073908 LetThemEatRand
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"I am perfectly willing to take down spending on things I love to say 1980 levels."

Yes, let's do, starting with the police state and MIC.  And then let's figure out how much has been stolen by the oligarchs since 1980.  You know, the ones whose wealth has increased in rough proportion to the national debt (a few thousand individuals who have more wealth than half the country combined).  They took from us by force of law.  Even the most die-hard Libertarian must see the logic of taking back that which was previously taken from us by force.  

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:25 | 3073989 Pareto
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yup.  RESET

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 06:40 | 3074143 Optimusprime
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Actually, libertarians are weak on this point.  Even the redoubtable Rothbard, with all his talk about "titles", never really confronts this issue as it deserves.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:19 | 3073914 Navymugsy
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I enjoyed reading the entire story and I love the fact that the pilots see themslves as tough guys and girls. When you jump in a trench and gut someone with a knife, I'll listen to you. Until then, you're playing a vicious video game and nothing more.

This desensitization is intentional and wll help the MIC breed thousands of pilots and operators willing to kill anyone that they are instructed to kill without question.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:27 | 3073923 Ignatius
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Thanks for the dose of reality.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:38 | 3073937 Money Squid
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"This desensitization is intentional and wll help the MIC breed thousands of pilots and operators willing to kill anyone that they are instructed to kill without question." 


Their not real people, they are just images on a tv screen. A high resolution kick ass tv screen.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:53 | 3073945 otto skorzeny
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the police will do what they are ordered as they will be the last .gov employees receiving paychecks. kent state will be child's play

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 03:54 | 3074064 Bohm Squad
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Not only will they be willing...they will strive to be at the top of the leaderboard.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 04:57 | 3074084 karzai_luver
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ask the Newton victims if the MIC is needed to breed killers........I think that process is way past needing the MIC, in fact the MIC is an outlet for those who lust for killing..DO NOT THINK THEY ARE NOT AMONG YOU!


Had the dear boy been routed to the MIC he would now be saluted our best and brightest and appear at halftime of the Stupor Bowl to thunderous cheers as the killing machines circle the field.






Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:35 | 3074227 Henry Hub
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Wouldn't have Adam Lanzia make a great drone pilot. He would have been perfect. He loved to play violent computer games. A complete psychopath with no empathy for other human beings, will to kill for no reason. If he only could have been channeled into drone pilot training, we might still have 20 children alive and well. Twenty children alive and well in the U.S. any way.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:19 | 3073916 Dr. Engali
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All around the country are millions of kids drinking beers and training on a nightly basis with their Xbox 360s to step in and take his place. Do you want more realism in your video games? Have we got a video game for you... Join the military and slaughter real live innocents with all the latest advanced controls at your fingertips. Blow up infrustructure with a push of a button.....Fry Muslims from the sky... Watch as you riddle children from 20,000 feet up. And if you're really good we may even pay off your student loans. Join now , don't delay.. Let the killing start today!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 05:00 | 3074086 Sanksion
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Yeah, I was thinking about that. I love Battlefield 3, but now that I know a better realistic game has been released, I feel disappointed with my lame gameplay, poor physics, and retard graphics.

I want to play Drone 2.0 all day and all night long, and the cherry on the cake, I would receive a paycheck at the end of the round shift.


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 13:07 | 3075094 aerojet
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The funny thing is that you paid for your own operant conditioning!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:29 | 3073924 newbee
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Not sure which one's worse - us for killing innocent people while we're trying to surgically remove the assholes, or the assholes who are hiding behind the innocent.  War sucks, and I'm sick of this Empire State crap.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:18 | 3073978 Dr. Sandi
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When you kill people in their homes, they're not actually hiding behind the innocent. They're just living their lives, until a drone 'interrupts' their dinner plans.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:33 | 3073929 steve from virginia
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Somewhere on the order of 88 people died violently on December 14, 2012. Outside of family members, nobody among the general public knows who these people were. There were no headline articles about the 88 deaths, any mention was buried in back pages of newspaper or on the Internet.


None of these people died in the shooting rampage in Connecticut, these were the OTHER 88 people who died violently that day.


There were 88 people killed violently the day before and the day before that. On December 15, 2012, 88 more people died, another 88 died yesterday and before this day is through another 88 will be fed into the meat grinder. Almost the same as the casualty list of an commercial airliner crash ... every single day.


The deaths will be particulary horrific, too. All will be blunt-force trauma except for those burned to death or asphixated. The casualties are young children, infants, close friends, beautiful young girls, star athletes, mothers and fathers, fighter pilots, Catholic priests, retirees, high school students ...  There will be many multiple amputations: faces, scalps, breasts, genitals torn off, skin will be stripped, there will be compound fractures, cervical skull fractures, depressed skull fractures, arterial lacerations, punctured lungs, loss of eyes, severed tongues, shattered jaws, faces obliterated ... feet smashed flat, limbs crushed, bodies flattened, heads blown to pieces, torsos speared ... mostly within fifteen minutes of the victims' homes




You know, the firearm industry is DYING to have the same public regard over casualties as the auto industry which blows away 33,000 of its customers every year. The cost of doing the auto business in America.


Tomorrow, 88. Next day, 88. The following day ... 88 ... Christmas ... 88. Next year, every day ... 88 ... more or less.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:28 | 3073994 Bazza McKenzie
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Steve, you were doing pretty well until you decided to blame this on "the auto business in America".

I drive a car because I need to move between locations, not for the benefit of "the auto business".  That's true of most people I know.  That means that I and all the other drivers are in charge of what is essentially fast moving industrial machinery.  Some of us are going to make mistakes and end up killing ourselves and/or other people.

That's the risk we each run when we go out on the road, just as when people rode horses, lots fell off and sometimes got injured and killed.  Life is not risk free.

Most of your post was valuable in setting context for the recent and other tragedies.  Shame to spoil it with the ad hominem attack at the end.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:58 | 3074037 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Before I knew he was going to play "narrator" I thought he was going with "drones in Pakistan".

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:09 | 3074276 Element
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Clealy he's just watched fight club again ... that Tyler huh ... subliminal shit ... effing wicked.

That, or he has a beaf with automobiles destroying civilisation.

But is it creative destruction Steve?

Serious question; take your time, give us a reply when ur ready, it may be helpful. ;)

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 12:18 | 3074868 SmoothCoolSmoke
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I tend to agree with you. Except it is a well known fact that the American Auto Industry systematically destroyed this country's mass transit system that they could sell more cars.  Had they not done that, would the # still be 88/day?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 13:10 | 3075102 aerojet
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Train crashes were a huge killer before the dawn of the automobile.  Just sayin'...

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