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Guest Post: Meet Brandon Bryant: The Drone Operator Who Quit After Killing A Child

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Bryant saw a flash on the screen: the explosion. Parts of the building collapsed. The child had disappeared. Bryant had a sick feeling in his stomach.

 

“Did we just kill a kid?” he asked the man sitting next to him.

 

“Yeah, I guess that was a kid,” the pilot replied.

 

“Was that a kid?” they wrote into a chat window on the monitor.

 

Then, someone they didn’t know answered, someone sitting in a military command center somewhere in the world who had observed their attack. “No. That was a dog,” the person wrote.

 

They reviewed the scene on video. A dog on two legs?

- From The Woes of an American Drone Operator published in Der Spiegel

The above article is a must read for every American citizen, particularly those that get up in arms about domestic gun control, but never think twice about the horror caused by our foreign policy, which regularly murders innocent children overseas.  This story was also covered by the UK’s Daily Mail and they write:

A former U.S. drone operator has opened up about the toll of killing scores of innocent people by pressing a button from a control room in New Mexico.

 

But, after following orders to shoot and kill a child in Afghanistan, he knew he couldn’t keep doing what he was doing and quit the military.

The worst part about this story, other than the story itself, is that I have to go to UK and German media to read about it.  Pathetic.

 

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Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:40 | 3073933 Money Squid
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If I just push the little red button I get paid $60,000 year and get to wear a flight suit and gold wings? Fuck Yeah sign me up ! Or better yet,  can I just get an app for that and work from home?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:35 | 3073936 jplotinus
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"The true irony is that the same people now calling for a gun ban because of a psychotic's criminal act, will mostly shrug and say "collateral damage" to this story rather than pondering why it is per se legal to kill children if you have the right insignia on your weapon when you pull the trigger."

I'm not sure people will shrug. Instead, people may be more likely at this point in time to connect the drone killing of children with the Newtown killing of children. That is because we are stung by the latter to such a degree as to no longer be able to ignore the former.

A society that ignores its willingness and ability to kill indiscriminately from 10,000 miles away at the push of a button is a society that has gone stark raving mad. It is a rogue state. And, we are driving ourselves into stark raving lunacy, individually and collectively.

I call "Time Out"

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:10 | 3073967 NeedtoSecede
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I know this may seem off topic, but why are we so surprised that "we" can kill kids 10,000 miles away when a portion of our society has no problem with destroying a viable fetus with a late-term abortion?

I am not a religious person, and I am not trying to make a political statement about abortion, I am ok with a woman's right to control her own body. I just see one more grizzly connection to the moral decay that others have alluded to in many recent posts.

Even if you are militantly pro-choice, there is something wrong with you if you can partially deliver a viable baby and then destroy it. Or worse yet, support laws that prevent doctors or nurses from helping a baby that actually survives an abortion. Sort of creepy in the same way that the kid magically turned into a dog in this piece.

Of course our culture can kill kids from 10,000 miles away, because we have perfected many effective techniques to kill them in the same room and call it reproductive rights.

We are screwed!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:19 | 3073980 Dr. Sandi
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If we kill the fetus, we don't have to waste time and money raising and educating them to be killed in the military.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:40 | 3074015 James
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About a decade or so ago a highly paid abortionists' private plane crashed as he returned from vacation.It crashed in a cemetary in Montana.

The nosecone came to rest at the base of a monument built in remembrance of aborted children.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 03:00 | 3074038 Dr. Sandi
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Wow, so many hot button words in such a short statement.

How much money does a poor little doctor have to make doing abortions to be considered 'highly paid'. Does abortion pay better than plastic surgery? Better than liposuction?

Also, at what point does a doctor who does abortions become an abortionist. First one? 300 a day?

Put me in the pro abortion camp. I don't just support it, I highly recommend it unless the mother can show a damned good reason she should bring another screaming human into existence.

We've got plenty, thanks. Suck 'em out before they know what hit them.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 03:09 | 3074044 Likstane
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Prov 8.36b ...all those who hate me(God) love death.  pretty much says it all

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 05:04 | 3074089 karzai_luver
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abortion = the fast track to god for you chris... types, you should be 100% in fav of the practice.

 

Skip right to the meat of the matter ..........

 

Right to the pearlies.

 

 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 05:17 | 3074095 Colonial Intent
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Ezekiel 23:20

'She lusted after her paramours, whose genitals are like those of donkeys, and whose emissions are like those of horses'

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 06:04 | 3074130 Dr. Sandi
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Damn, I'll bet these guys got lots of women. Probably needed a big chamber pot though.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:09 | 3074204 Oldwood
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So its back to cost effectiveness heh? For 99% of people there is no difference between your unborn baby and a blurry image 10000 miles away. Just another mouth to feed or point a gun at you. Its still just all about ME.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 04:07 | 3074066 honestann
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A clump of 4 cells is not a sentient being.  A clump of 4000 cells is not a sentient being.  A large clump of cells that may even have been delivered already is not a sentient being.  What is actually amazing is how utterly clueless are most human beings, and how badly they are willing to treat other humans who have long before achieved sentient capacity.

To equate removing a few cells with killing a living, breathing, aware, self-conscious, productive human being is so extremely, over-the-top insane, that we must wonder how infinitely clueless sentient beings can become given willingness to submit themselves to propaganda and suspend their ability to consider and question every soundbite that passes before them.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 06:09 | 3074135 Dr. Sandi
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Too many people who don't honestly give a rat's ass about killing adults seem to worship the fetus as some kind of special angelic being.

Show me somebody who has been killed by the state and I'll show you an ex-fetus.

I do not respect the logical disconnect.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:22 | 3076102 Cathartes Aura
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it's about control, like most things that reference "god" or "religion" - control over a woman's fertility, aka her body.

the illogic in the arguments for zygote personhood/pro-life is breathtaking, yet few can point this out, preferring to cling to emotional statements and substitute words like "children" or "baby" for a clump of cells hours old, in no way viable as a human - yet these same mental slaves want to award the State they profess to hate (MOAR GUNZ) control over a woman's body.  the hatred is palpable and obvious.  and the interest/care ends at birth, when the beloved zygote becomes a hated "welfare queen's spawn" - so perfectly scripted.

zero respect for the logical disconnect.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:17 | 3074285 Element
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Be careful with that one Ann, the cells are sensitive and reactive, self-protective and can replicate.

That said, define 'sentient being' and pin-point exactly it becomes that.

You and I know and fully understand words and their constructs are fundamentally false.

Love you always ... you know what I mean.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:46 | 3074334 honestann
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To figure out where we stand on such issues (if we choose to be honest and coherent), we must consider each issue from many angles.  That helps us identify & test our ideas, premises, thoughts.  One of those thought processes is to compare the state of consciousness of animals that almost nobody objects to enslaving, slaughtering and eating for our own convenience, with pre-born and recently post-born humans.  That is just one of the thought processes we must go through to answer the question about sentience, but one that I dare say only 1-in-a-million have bothered with (much less several other related questions).

Yes, it is always necessary to be very careful with words, linguistic constructs, and abstract conceptual constructs.  Most humans are so grossly confused and manipulated by these constructs, they are barely aware of the reality those constructs are/were supposed to mean and refer-to.

I'll mention just one more aspect of the question at hand.  Before anyone becomes willing to cage, punish or kill someone for an action (including the mother or doctor in this question), it is absolutely encumbent upon them to be absolutely certain they are 100% clear about what they are doing, and 100% clear they are justified to carry out whatever actions they support or take.  Which means, when it comes to complex or borderline questions, people must restrain themselves in all cases that are not crystal clear.

Sometimes this may be uncomfortable, but that's the breaks, and that's the way humans must treat each other in a civilized universe.  And remember, we're talking about "outside people" who are not involved in such questions taking actions to harm or destroy other human beings.  They are not parties to these kinds of issues, and therefore must be even more extra careful to avoid taking actions.

As an aside, like everyone else, a great many matters disturb me.  But I keep my nose out of those matters unless they impact me directly, or there is no room for doubt and a real need for action.  Otherwise I'd be just as much a danger to ethics, liberty and individualism as people who always want to tell everyone else how to live their lives.  If people care, they should try more honest, patient explainations and gentle, friendly persuasion.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:56 | 3074376 Element
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"...it is absolutely encumbent upon them to be absolutely certain they are 100% clear about what they are doing, and 100% clear they are justified to carry out whatever actions they support or take. ..."

 

You know that indicates you deeply absolutely see that it matters beyond the act itself. Otherwise it wouldn't matter in any other sense at all.  But you implicitly understand that it does, and this is why I respect you, because under all the verbal, you do know much more than your edgy words can ever say. I see you there, our open unspeakable se(a)cre(d)t.

forever

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 08:23 | 3077938 honestann
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That's a bit obscure for me to know for sure what you're pointing at.  However, if you're turning that statement around and saying it applies just as much to the mother and doctor as outside parties, then of course I agree with you.  I'm quite clear about where I stand in this matter, but others need to come to their own conclusions when faced with these questions in their own lives, and that includes the mother and doctor (but nobody else).

And that's the point, really.  The principle is, civilized human beings do not intrude upon others except in situations that are clear.  Otherwise they risk becoming predators themselves, and are certainly not civilized.

And yes, I have habituated my conscious processes to always look at the real, physical entities and actions my manipulation of abstractions imply.  Sometimes this overloads my capacity to hold all the relevant factors and their relationships with each other, simply because human consciousness has limits in this regard.  And when I exceed such limits, I postpone any conclusions until the day I can clarify and internalize enough of component considerations that I can cope with the total.  And in some cases that day never arrives, my reach has exceeded my grasp, and in those cases I refrain from acting if that action impacts the lives of others.  I might take a risk if I am the only individual a mistake might impact, but it is not up to me to put others at risk in unclear situations.

Okay, okay, there are fringe cases, like emergencies.  Would I take actions to try to save someone's life if my actions might harm them?  Yes, I might, if my honest estimate at the time was my actions were more likely to help than harm, and that person would want me to act.

I am very clear that the huge complex of abstractions and connections between abstractions that inhabit our consciousness are separate from the external world.  Not that the content of consciousness is not a 100% real phenomenon, but abstractions are mental units, not the [almost always] external reality they ultimately mean and refer-to.  Sadly, in most human consciousnesses hold endless bogus abstractions that either mean and refer-to nothing (fictions), or mean and refer-to contradictions of what is real, or include some or enormous quantities of bogus content, or are incorrectly linked and associated with other mental units.

The human brain and human consciousness are exceedingly flexible.  However, the implementation that gives them that flexibility (neural networks) mean humans will be completely insane if they subject themselves to endless onslaught of abstractions (often crafted by amazingly sophisicated and expert predators in modern times) without self-consciously becoming aware of the extreme need to identify and habituate processes to keep their content coherent, accurate and appropriately interconnected.  Since every major influence in the lives of modern humans encourages them to not identify or habituate self-protective, self-regulating processes, most humans become stark raving clinically insane (which means in this context, incapble of distinguishing what is real from what is fiction from what is arbitrary and unknown (at present) from what is contradiction, and so forth).

If anyone wants to have a serious conversation with me, they need to consider and address the cases I mention (at the very least).  And, of course, I have the same obligation.  Otherwise we are just having the intellectual equivalent of a food fight, which is pointless.

Let me ask you this.  When you say "the cells are sensitive and reactive, self-protective and can replicate", how many creatures that you eat for dinner were collections of cells that were sensitive, reactive, self-protective and can replicate" before the people who sold your meal killed them in cold blood, chopped them up, cooked them, seasoned them, and served them to you, and watched you enjoy eating?  If you are a vegetarian, you might have a semi-reasonable response... except that description could also apply to a plant (depending on the very specific limits you apply to each of the concepts in your sentence).  Furthermore, even if you believe you can answer this question, please justify in sufficient detail why that exact list of parameters is the one that is appropriate to apply to such questions.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 14:32 | 3075380 blunderdog
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     when a portion of our society has no problem with destroying a viable fetus with a late-term abortion?

That's a really small "portion" of our society.  It may even be as small as the "portion" of our society that's sociopathic.

Very very few people want to get abortions AT ALL, and it's that much more uncommon among people in the 3rd trimester.  These abortions are almost never peformed unless there's a severe risk to the mother's health.

But if you need an excuse to hate on people, you just keep telling yourself anyone who ever had an abortion was a cold-blooded baby-murderer.  We all do what we have to do.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 00:18 | 3077566 MeelionDollerBogus
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abortions save lives

That good enough for you?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 03:33 | 3073940 resurger
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I enjoy reading Mike ffrom Blitz a lot lately. +5

+1 to teh solider, a friend of mine who served in Iraq is going through severe PTSD that he goes to a shrink on weekly basis, he was shooting building with 120MM smoothebore gun tank destroying buildings and killing kids in the process, so why does he go to the shrink, be because he feels guility and he didnt want to do this, but he said it kept him paid! 

So when you have a sucide rate among the military 1/day that means there are goodmen who does not like killing in cold blood.

Fuck you Bush , Fuck you Obama

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 14:41 | 3075406 blunderdog
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+1

People really need to do what they can do to save others from enlistment.  It's not that joining the military is a bad idea in THEORY...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:50 | 3073944 otto skorzeny
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karma is a motherfucker and the big pendulum is about to swing back the other way. we shall reap the death that we sew.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 04:46 | 3074082 Oldrepublic
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In Greek mythology, Nemesis is the goddess of divine justice and vengeance

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:00 | 3073951 adeptish
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Memo to America.

Seppo

Google it

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:05 | 3073962 Magnum
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"today he wears aviator sunglasses and a Palestinian scarf". Perhaps Brandon Bryant is making a statement about the puppetmasters who dominate Washington DC, and who utlimately put him up to bombing arabs via remote control.  We need more like him.  Given the propensity for israelis to have no idea of when to STOP doing their evil dirty tricks, I wouldn't be surprised if the Palestinian scarf becomes the most popular global fashion accessory in the not-too-distant future.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:22 | 3073987 q99x2
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Idiot. Another one of Obama's kids goes to the wayside.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:40 | 3074013 UncleFurker
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Massacres the US Media love:

1. Gun nutters killing US children

Massacres the US media ignore:

2. US drone attacks on towelheads

3. US built nukla reactors pissing radioactive material intot he other side of the Pacific Ocean.

 

 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 03:14 | 3074048 lolmao500
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Something which they hate too :

4. People killed by food inflation and it's effects, all because of Ben's insane economic policies and those who support them (MSM, Congress, White House, Keynesians).

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:44 | 3074021 MeelionDollerBogus
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Good that the story was shared.

#winning it was shared in a comment here first: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-17/2012s-mass-shootings-and-some-g... , thanks to mrdenis

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 03:03 | 3074040 Pee Wee
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Been a long time, Tyler.  

I think every US citizen should be required to read the Der Spiegel article.

Drone warfare is cowardly alright.  Wasn't it Donald Rumsfeld and the Bush Administration's 'War on Terror' that paved the way and cheerleaded for this shit sandwich?

Good for Mr. Byant.  I hope you never have nightmares.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 03:12 | 3074046 lolmao500
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The only good use of drones would be if they were used against Washington DC and Wall Street's criminals.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 03:23 | 3074052 Treason Season
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"The above article is a must read for every American citizen, particularly those that get up in arms about domestic gun control, but never think twice about the horror caused by our foreign policy, which regularly murders innocent children overseas."

Remeber Prez Clinton bemoaning the shootings at Columbine while at the same time bombing and killing civilians in Serbia? I mean where would this country be without hypocrisy?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 13:02 | 3075080 helping_friendl...
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Clinton even bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade.

I don't think the Chinese will forget that one or the Korean war either.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:03 | 3075473 blunderdog
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    bombing and killing civilians in Serbia?

Although I was opposed to the Kosovo intervention myself, it was one of those things that could've had some moral justification, depending on a certain point of a view.  The Serbs were considerably better organized than the Albanians they were "ethnically cleansing," and Milosevic was a pretty evil guy.

It's a lot tougher to come up with *any* possible reason to be assassinating folks in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

(I should add, if you want a PERFECT example of unambiguous evil from Clinton, it was the missile attack on the pharmaceuticals factory in the Sudan.  That probably killed a few hundred thousand kids because they could no longer get life-saving drugs, not to mention the security guard who was on duty there at the time.)

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:27 | 3076130 Cathartes Aura
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that particular "war" enabled the spreading of DU early on, and over time will accomplish the genocide and human clearance they desire.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 03:23 | 3074053 Joe A
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Hey, soldiers who grow a conscience, that's wasn't part of the plan. These inconveniences for the military can be avoided by fully automating the drone flying and the killing done by them.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 03:43 | 3074060 TuesdayBen
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Obama killed a man who was once imam at a mosque a short walk from my home here in suburban DC. AlQaeda man

Also in same drone attack killed, among others, a boy who made the mistake of having a father who was an AlQaeda man.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 04:14 | 3074070 FunkyOldGeezer
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Two wrongs don't make a right.

How come the pro gun lobby is suddenly so compassionate towards kids in foreign places? They're running scared, that's why. Don't debate the actual problem you have in your own country; deflect and detract. Pathetic!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 04:15 | 3074071 JuliaS
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"No child left behind" foreign policy.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 05:36 | 3074103 Oldrepublic
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"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death."

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/MLKapr67.html

The Riverside address of Dr.Martin Luther King, April 4,1967

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 05:44 | 3074116 Wile-E-Coyote
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All this killing is only making the world hate the USA.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 06:30 | 3074138 Monedas
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Skanky coyote menopause road kill pussy !  I want terrorist to hate us and fear us .... since they already hate us .... let's concentrate on hounding the hell out of them .... and anyone who supports them .... including their families .... especially their families !    Brandon Bryant .... Bryant Brandon .... is that a gay, stage them in the theatre of war .... wash the fag out .... he's hired to kill .... he must have lied on his application !

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 13:00 | 3075071 helping_friendl...
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Thw world hates you!!!!! You Khazar caucasian sons of Japheth in the tents of Shem. 

We all hate you evil worshippers of Gog and Magog.

Your a scumbag and you don't hide like rats anymore because you are emboldened by your number but, we will find and smit every last one of you.

I hope I live to see it and to piss and shit, your and your fathers, grave.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 13:25 | 3075150 Monedas
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"Brandon Bryant" .... his CIA cover stage name in the theatre of war .... how does he get to "resign" .... it's called desertion !

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:02 | 3074198 Winston Churchill
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You better believe that.

I will not use mmy US passport abroad anymore, I travel on another.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 13:30 | 3075167 Monedas
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If you were a man of honor .... you would renounce your citizenship .... take a few thousand welfare niggers with you .... bon voyage !  "Welfare Nigger" is my literary artifice to describe with contempt ALL people who live off the sweat of others !

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 06:06 | 3074133 Disenchanted
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"The above article is a must read for every American citizen, particularly those that get up in arms about domestic gun control, but never think twice about the horror caused by our foreign policy, which regularly murders innocent children overseas."

 

Here's what Yamin Zakaria of the U.K. thinks about America's foreign policies and it's latest school shooting. I have to agree with him.

 

Driven by hate, another homegrown terrorist goes on the rampage – this would have been the headline if Adam Lanza had been called Mohammed Lanza. Similar headlines were seen after the Oklahoma bombings; the media spared no time in tarnishing the Muslims even before the basic facts were known. Like Timothy McVeigh and Anders Breivik, Adam Lanza is also white with Christian heritage. Will the media now scrutinise the link between the ethnicity and religion of these men and the acts of gratuitous violence?

 

There is no apparent political motive; the targets were innocent children who could not have caused any harm to Adam Lanza. The only possible ‘justification’ Adam Lanza could have argued is - these children posed a threat to him in the future; hence, he took some sort of pre-emptive strike by killing them. This is the same argument employed by the Zionists when they deliberately target women and children in Palestine, and the US has done the same to some extent after 9/11; shoot first then ask questions.


Of course, everyone sympathises with the parents of those innocent children, however, non-Americans will point out the international dimension to this issue. It reeks of hypocrisy for Obama to come on TV and shed tears, when the US has been doing the same in foreign countries since the Spanish-American wars at the turn of the 20th century. Only few weeks back, the US President ignored the dead children in Gaza and continued to defend the Israelis dropping bombs over civilian populated areas. The Pakistanis and the Afghanis will point out the awful killer drones that have consumed so many innocent children. Now America should understand how the parents in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen and occupied Palestine feel. One man’s collateral damage is another man’s child!

 

read the rest @ Connecticut school shooting: America gets a taste of its own medicine

 

Karma really is a bitch...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 06:44 | 3074144 Monedas
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Yamin Zakaria ?  Must read ?  Good Karma is that glow that comes over you when you blow an intruder away with a shot gun .... that allows you to go back to bed for some deep refreshing REM sleep .... and call the police the next morning after a succulent breakfast !  When the police ask you what took so long to call them .... tell them you suffered traumatic victim stress disorder TVSD !

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:00 | 3074156 Disenchanted
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The "must read" quote was from the article here at the OP and did not refer to Yamin's column, I quoted that OP sentence for the latter half referring to American foreign policy.

Though I'm sure someone like you would like to see a 'pre-emptive strike' done on Yamin.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 06:21 | 3074137 Monedas
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What a collection of teary eyed, drippy liberals !  I'm not going to defend the cost effectiveness of another nation building project in Afghanistan or wherever .... but terrorism is a reality .... is the original sin .... and is the most horrific waster of innocent lives .... and has to be dealt with !  I think we pay way to much for drones .... but they are still cost effective and on the whole save children's and good guy's lives .... and you know the terrorists don't like them ! Drones are the most promising, effective, humane arrow in our quiver .... and may the good guys take full advantage of them !  Death to terrorism ! Terror to terrorist ! Fight terror with more vicious terror ! Fight Kamekazees with A bombs !       

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:19 | 3074215 Antifederalist
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You are a sick fuck.

An eye for an eye and the world is blind

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:26 | 3074476 Element
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And the weapon scale you use can be open-ended ... brilliant reasoning, no? ... dumb is as dumb does ... turns a minor to insignificant problem into global apocalypse.

 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 12:52 | 3075026 helping_friendl...
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Dirty Khazar scumbag. Your the terrorist!!!! 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 06:42 | 3074146 lemarche
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WELL DONE KIDDO.. GOOD TO SEE SOME REMNANTS OF ETHICS REMAIN IN THIS LOST WORLD...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 06:50 | 3074151 Monedas
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Thanks ....  my robust ego assumes your kind words were for Monedas !

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:53 | 3074370 Antifederalist
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Robust ego, or scared little boy?

Grow up.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 06:44 | 3074148 Sambo
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By killing terrorists you dont kill the idea behind terrorism. The idea survives physical death.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 06:55 | 3074154 Monedas
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Sounds like a tree falling in the forest .... and no one heard it !  There is no evil idea .... unless someone is alive to think it .... and act on it !  I'll settle for that !

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:07 | 3074158 Monedas
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"Death by droning !" .... Monedas   1929     Comedy Jihad World Tour

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:27 | 3074171 Harrison
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Imagine a world where the Pentagon had to hold a bake sale to buy drones, and we gave all the money we saved on weapons to the Afghanis to help them build a civilization.

I'm sure they wouldn't hate us and help a bunch of Yemenis to hijack airliners and slam them into skyscrapers in NYC. Nope, no way. We'd be loved universally, just like George W. Bush was loved for all the AIDS programs he had the U.S. pay for down in Africa.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:54 | 3074189 voltaic
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I've always been amazed at how Americans seem to mostly ignore and sometimes tacitly approve of the killing of children from foreign lands by the use of drones, indiscriminate bombings and other war-footing means, such as sanctions. Why the unnecessary deaths, caused by Americans, of non-white children are not considered worth the time to have vigils, protests, days of mourning and outrage is in itself a tragedy. If you can't feel a deep and disturbing pain for the unnecessary killing and deaths of non-American children, then your pain threshold is much too high. 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:41 | 3074532 TSA gropee
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What amazes me is the broad stroke generalizations of peoples by posters such as yourself. The American people and American gov't's views are not necassarily one by any stretch. If the media put the Der Spiegel article on page 1 and others instead of insulating them from the reality of what is being done in the name of freedom and whatnot, things might be entirely different.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:54 | 3074191 j0nx
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Ender's Game syndrome.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:04 | 3074199 lakecity55
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It's OK w/socialists because O-Phone is a brown man killing other brown personages.

 

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Assymetrical warfare is the worst of all worlds. Closing on an enemy soldier is one thing. Following an insurgent around while he's "off duty" is another. You find out he has a life just like you do. No separation of distance from killing can obliviate that fact.

The problem is that since you don't have a soldier on the ground to make a decision, you start killing the wrong people.

During the Revolutionary War, Banastare Tarleton killed men women and children because the Rebels hung out in the woods and did not play by terms the Brtitish Army was used to. He even dug up the corpse of a Rebel and dismembered it in fromt of the deceased's family to get intel. The Afghans are fighting us the way we fought the British.

Is there an existential threat to National Security by Afghanistan? That is the question. If they are not, you have to ask whether you are fighting a war of imperialism, either for treasure; or to deny an enemy the same territory.

What part of US security is being threatened by these Afghans?

Was not Saddam contained by the no-fly zone?

Time to ask questions, Americans. Who are we really serving with this vast war machine while our own people are unemployed at record rates and on subsistance diets? Bankers steal our very sustenance, they hollow out our collective souls until there is left only a hard brittle shell.

And, to the point, when will that machine be turned on us? 

It is time we obey the Natural Law, the Common Law bequeathed to us.

Arm yourselves for defense, or you will die. Teachers, screw the "Law." Take a buddy to school and keep it hidden. No Righteous Law can disarm you.

Death to Skynet!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 13:31 | 3075173 FrankDrakman
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Assymetrical warfare is the worst of all worlds.

Agreed that it's a bitch, but the West has been on the receiving end of this since Vietnam. Now, drone warfare is the ultimate response to it.

If you're gong to employ 15-year olds, like the odious Omar Khadr, who feigned injury, and then threw a grenade killing the CorpsWOMAN who was coming to help him, then you're going to get it back in spades. For a long time, the insurgents have believed that their version of assymetric war had little cost to them; now they are learning something different. Remember - before 9/11/01, how many US soldiers in Iraq? Zero. How many in A-stan? Zero. They started it, we'll finish it, and if it means the end of Islam, tough.

When you decide to hide your rocket launchers in or next to schools and hospitals, don't cry to me when kids get taken out when the missiles do. You chose - deliberately - to hide your weapons there. You don't want your kids killed, move your weapons elsewhere. You want to plot murder and terror? Don't think your kids will be safe when you go home at night.

The whole point of assymetric warfare is to make the cost higher to your enemy than it is to you. How is drone warfare any worse than the Blitz or Allied bombing of cities during WWII? Yes, it's cruel and awful, but THESE PEOPLE WANT TO KILL US AND END OUR WAY OF LIFE. I'd rather we win than them.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:04 | 3074200 Abraham Snake
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If any drone operators are out there and reading this, I would advise you to read 'Catch 22' and then use every ounce of seriousness in your bones to call in strikes against cows, rocks, trees, anything inconsequential, but be earnest about doing your best.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:15 | 3075523 blunderdog
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Try to get the missiles to land in pretty patterns...like a cross, or a rose with a dagger through it. 

Or maybe just crash the drones in safe locations to prevent that technology from falling into enemy hands.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:10 | 3074205 Element
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Thanks for that mike, at least some of those guys still get it.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:25 | 3074222 FunkyOldGeezer
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P.S. Shame on you ZH for not even attempting to present a balanced, considered view on the gun ownership debate. EVe4ry article has been pro gun so far.

 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:34 | 3074233 Itch
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I wouldn’t say it’s a pro gun argument; the implication and context of the piece seems to offer the frankly absurd opinion "since our government endangers children with its military hardware, us ordinary folk should have the right to put children at risk with ours too". I don’t know about you, but in my opinion only an imbecile would dare use such an argument....now dont go putting words in my mouth!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:13 | 3074442 Element
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And there should be a lot more gun articles too Tyler!  There's no way we're ever going to cover this topic fully with only eleventy-seven billion of them!! There's so much more left to be said!!! So much more passion to be expended fruitlessly on the inner cave walls!!!!!!!

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Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:09 | 3074266 jplotinus
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"Skanky coyote menopause road kill pussy ! I want terrorist to hate us and fear us .... since they already hate us .... let's concentrate on hounding the hell out of them .... and anyone who supports them .... including their families .... especially their families ! Brandon Bryant .... Bryant Brandon .... is that a gay, stage them in the theatre of war .... wash the fag out .... he's hired to kill .... he must have lied on his application !"

Thank you, Monedas, for being willing to put into plain language the actual social conditioning, mind set and attitude that motivates American policy. That display of candor is all too rare.

If it is any comfort to you, even though you already seem as comfortable, content and full of vigorous well being as you can be, let me assure you that you are not alone. Many people believe as you do about American killing of hapless, undefended people who cannot defend themselves against drones or other high tech killing machines.

Not many are willing to openly acknowledge their feelings that exactly mirror yours, as they would rather not admit to being blood thirsty savages, preferring instead to be thought of as Christians, abiding in a love-centered, cooperative religious and civilized set of norms.

But you are willing to dispense with the pretense of civilized norms.

Blessings, Monedas, and thanks again for telling it as it is.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:19 | 3074459 Element
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But are they on Hillary's team? Seem to be.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:28 | 3074488 tip e. canoe
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that is, if our friend does not have an ulterior motive in making us believe that he is simply able & willing to express the opinions of him and his peers without civilized norms.   i have my doubts, but i'm one of those types who see rabbits in clouds, so take it with a grain of salt.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:21 | 3075550 blunderdog
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Unlikely.  His corpus to date doesn't suggest he possesses that kind of capacity for deception.  Or even abstract thought, really. 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:19 | 3074291 Vooter
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"The above article is a must read for every American citizen, particularly those that get up in arms about domestic gun control but never think twice about the horror caused by our foreign policy, which regularly murders innocent children overseas."

I would venture a guess that 95% of the people who are up in arms about domestic gun control in this country are also up in arms about our murderous foreign policy....

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:26 | 3074307 Shizzmoney
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This really has a lot to do with our society. We are a pretty violent society.

We have the highest crime and imprisonment rates in the world. Our whole society is based on individualism -– the right to bear arms, the right to speak out, and the right to stand up for yourself.

Those are all good things, but on steroids and in the extreme they can lead to confrontation and violence.

People fight over parking spaces, clothing, Christmas shopping, etc. We're a society that is very much about 'you get in my face and I'm going to knock you down.'

That's the American way (see: Iraq). It trickles down to the individual level and I think that sort of fierce independence and individualism can create an environment for violence.

A lot of people may not like to hear that but I believe it's true.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:23 | 3074469 tip e. canoe
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concur completely.   however, the alternative view that is being proferred erases individual liberty in service of the collective, the collective being defined by those who choose to gain enough power to make the defintion.   this does nothing to advance the conversation, but rather creates a dialectical conflict between equal & opposing forces and further entrenches each individual into the fort of their own making, shoring up their defenses, thus making the problem as you described much worse.

there is unfortunately very little dialogue on how to meld the individual & collective together in a third way, so that the "good" of each is preserved without harming the "good" of the other.

in lak'ech

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:39 | 3076181 Cathartes Aura
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community. 

local gatherings of like-minded folks co-operating for sustainment and support, with the understanding that what harms one, harms all.

namaste.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:23 | 3074467 papicek
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As much as I appreciate the man emerging from the machine, fuck Brandon Bryant. Start thinking about the child and that child's family.

Get you prioritis straight.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:42 | 3074536 Vendetta
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But, the war on a tactic will drone on and on until a tactic surrenders

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:58 | 3074593 SilverMoneyBags
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I am a veteran that served from 2003-2007 during Operation Enduring Freedom and many of my friends, including myself left the military because we could no longer justify why we were doing what we were doing. Now the motto of my friends who are still in is that you serve to make sure your fellow brother makes it home. Its all about survival.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 12:47 | 3074970 helping_friendl...
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It's been the same since I was born in 1965. When have we, every, fought a war to protect and defend the constitution?

The war of 1812 is as close a I can imagine. The Japanese asked for it, but I don't see it as a Constitutional issue.

We fight wars to protect the colonial interest of Britain (WWI, WWII), France (Vietnam), Korea (???? still not sure why we bought into that stupid war of aggression.), Gulf I and II were fought to maintain the supremacy of the Petro-dollar which is now being destroyed by the FRBNY, Afghanistan should never have been attempted. We financed bin Laden in the 1980's to fight the Russians. We saw how that war worked out for the Russians and then we go and do the exact same thing expecting a different result.

I'm not so sure Mossad didn't pull off 911 and even if 14 out of 16 of the highjackers were Saudi Arabian; why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia for attacking the USA?

I respect your intentions and your, and all others who volunteered, bravery but I think we are being controlled by Israel, Jew bankers and Jew politicians (Raum Emmanual) to plunder the United Staes Treasury. 

I am thinking it might be time to start consideration of backing the Palestinians, Hamas, and, perhaps, conquering Israel to return the land to the semitic people which was stolen by the Khazar Polish.

Here is irrefutable evidence of my claims:

http://www.fantompowa.info/13th%20Tribe.pdf

You did what you had to do. Now help us, the resistance, do what we have to do.

 

 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:49 | 3074750 Nothing To See Here
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Hiring policies at US military still have issues it seems. People with human morals can still slip through the screening if this story is to be believed.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 12:22 | 3074877 SmoothCoolSmoke
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I am sure the AF can find many a kid who'll be willing to kill Afghanies or Iranians or Somalians via drones.   The question becomes.... will they have enough when the drones are killing Americans?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 12:46 | 3074973 IamtheREALmario
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Being something of a peacenik, I just don't get it. Why all of the killing? What are THEY so afraid of? Is it that they know their time is ending and they are trying desperately to hold on? Why do we need to murder children in other countries?

Additionally, here in the US, all of the initial eyewitness reports from the scenes in the Colorado theater shooting, the Sikh temple shooting and now in Connecticut show that there were potential second shooters who mysteriously vanished or were taken into custody (in the Connecticut case) and then there are no further reports on who they were and no explanations as to the anomalies. The truth would not serve the Admistration's psychotic desire to disarm the population and put them in chains... after already impoverishing them.

So, explain the gas mask and the drugged state in the Colorado shooting.

Explain the reports of the second shooter at the Sikh temple

Explain the guy who was hiding in the woods and the police took into custody in Connecticut

http://www.naturalnews.com/038352_school_shooting_lone_gunman_media_cover-up.html

Explain the connection between the fathers of the alleged Colorado shooter and the alleged Connecticut shooting and that they were BOTH scheduled to testify in the Libor scandal hearings... and now will not testify.

This is scary, sicko.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 13:41 | 3075194 helping_friendl...
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keep on asking. You/we don't seem as crazy as we did ten years ago.

I love it when friends call me after ten years and admit I was right about the things I tried to tell them a decade ago.

"Your going to regret voting for Bush. Please, just promise me you'll call me and admit I was right when you come the same conclusion".......six years later....ring, ring...."dude!, you were right on point. everything you said came to pass. That guy is a lunatic."

We wish they would have listen to the tin hat people being suppressed all of the 20th century.

Now they get to enjoy the carnage and institutional depravity. 

Keep on annoying them with THE TRUTH!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 13:06 | 3075086 Monedas
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I don't want to meet this cowardly fuck, Brandon Bryant !  What did he think he was getting into ?  Could you imagine British aviators with real time night vision video of the Dresden bombing .... they new what they were doing .... and the people who dropped the A bombs on Japan .... thank God they had the moral courage to do their job .... they were risking holy damnation .... they did their necessary war work with honor .... God bless them .... war and terror are Hell .... don't play with fire .... especially if you're an imature whiner !

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 13:49 | 3075207 helping_friendl...
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I predict someone very high up in the US Gov't foodchain will be assasinated by a drone by a CIA spook.

The average citizen is not the only ones who should be looking up!!!!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 14:24 | 3075350 nufio
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it must be very easy to recruit suicide bombers in such countries when their kids get blown to bits out of nowhere. Nor would they ever find it morally questionable to blow up civilians in the western world. From their point of view it makes absolute sense to blow up civilian targets. Its not that the civilians are not to blame for their misery. They are. Most people subconsciously understand that their standard of living is sustained only by the wars for oil and resources in the middle east, and they tacitly support the government action by inaction. The citizens of america discuss gay marriage and abortion over the mindless massacares in the middle east, not because they care about gay people or babies. Its because they dont want talk about how their standard of living depends on massacares in the middle east.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:33 | 3076158 pcrs
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Is ciritcism of our murderers in command always done in the form of a guest post?

Opposing the droning of kids is to controversial?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:13 | 3083171 Motorhead
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Well, believe it or not, here is an article from, of all places, Government Executive:

http://www.govexec.com/defense/2012/12/guilty-conscience-drone-pilot-who...

 

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