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Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform,

Hey you, out there on the road
always doing what you’re told,
Can you help me?
Hey you, out there beyond the wall,
Breaking bottles in the hall,
Can you help me?
Hey you, don’t tell me there’s no hope at all
Together we stand, divided we fall.

Pink Floyd – Hey You


“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” Aldous Huxley – Brave New World

The world makes less sense every day. Little children are randomly slaughtered in their schoolrooms. Predator drones roam the skies over foreign countries exterminating bad guys, along with innocent women and children (collateral damage when it occurs in a foreign country). Drugged up mentally ill kids with no hope and no future live lives of secluded quiet desperation until they snap. Ignorant, government educated, welfare dependent drones with no self respect or respect for others, assault, kill and rob within their government created urban jungles. Sociopathic criminals who committed the largest financial crime in world history walk free and continue to occupy executive suites in luxury office towers in downtown NYC, collecting millions in bonuses as compensation for crushing the American middle class.  Academics, whose theories have been thoroughly disproven, continue to steer our economy into an iceberg while accelerating the money printing and debt issuance that will sink our ship of state. Corrupt, bought off politicians pander to the lowest common denominator as their votes are only dependent upon who contributed the most to their election campaigns, which never end. Delusional, materialistic, egocentric, math challenged consumers (formerly known as citizens) live for today, enslave themselves in debt, vote themselves more entitlements, and care not for future generations. The alienation and isolation created by our sprawling, automobile dependent, technology obsessed, government controlled, debt financed society has spread like a cancerous tumor, slowly killing our country.

Pink Floyd released The Wall 33 years ago. It was a concept rock opera album that explored the issues of ababdonment, isolation, alienation, authoritarianism, the brutality of war, a tyrannical conformist educational system, and the walls individuals and society build to protect themselves from having to confront reality and deal with the consequences of their actions. I attended the Roger Waters Wall Concert this past summer at Citizens Bank Park with my three sons. Three decades later, the message is more powerful than ever. The government oppression and never ending wars waged by the American Empire around the world have created a society built upon fear and loathing. Roger Waters’ vision is colored by Orwell’s 1984 dystopian nightmare of lies, misinformation, propaganda and brutality. The missing piece, which Waters didn’t see coming in 1979, was the ability of the oligarchs to use their control of the credit system to entrap the masses by convincing them to love their servitude and become so consumed with material possessions and the love of money that they would become nothing more than passive egotistical consumers.

Since 1979, Total Credit Market Debt in the United States has risen from $4.3 trillion to $55.3 trillion, a 1,286% increase in 33 years. Over this same time frame total wages and salaries have risen from $1.3 trillion to $6.9 trillion, a 531% increase. GDP has grown from $2.6 trillion to $15.8 trillion, a 608% increase. Luckily for the oligarchs, the math challenged masses don’t understand that 375% of the increase in GDP is strictly due to Federal Reserve created inflation, as the U.S. dollar has lost 68% of its purchasing power since 1979. This GDP growth was driven by debt, with consumer expenditures rising from 61% of GDP in 1979 to 71% of GDP today. In the one hundred years since the creation of the Federal Reserve the country’s population has tripled, while our public debt and unfunded liabilites have risen from $2 billion to over $200 trillion, a ten million percent increase. The masses have been programmed and conditioned to love their debt servitude and yearn for more debt to fix an economic system that collapsed due to excessive debt. The cadre of ruling elite are obliging by creating debt at hyperspeed levels. The corporate media, Wall Street shysters and low-life captured politicians assure the sheep-like masses that this is normal and beneficial to their interests, as the sheep are sheared and led to slaughter.               

“There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them.”George Orwell


Pavlov’s Dogs


 “And always, everywhere, there would be the yelling or quietly authoritative hypnotists; and in the train of the ruling suggestion givers, always everywhere, the tribes of buffoons and hucksters, the professional liars, the purveyors of entertaining irrelevances. Conditioned from the cradle, unceasingly distracted, mesmerized systematically, their uniformed victims would go on obediently marching and countermarching, go on, always and everywhere, killing and dying with the perfect docility of trained poodles.” -  Aldous Huxley

Aldous Huxley and Edward Bernays realized in the 1920s that the utilization of conditioning and propaganda techniques could be used to control and manipulate the masses. Ivan Pavlov, the famous Russian physiologist, conducted the ground breaking work on conditional reflexes. Pavlov discovered that when a bell was rung in subsequent time with food being presented to a dog in consecutive sequences, the dog will initially salivate when the food is presented. The dog will later come to associate the ringing of the bell with the presentation of the food and salivate upon the ringing of the bell. To a critical thinking human being who questions authority, resists being told what they should think, and values their humanity, over what is crammed down their throat by government run schools and the corporate controlled media, the thought of being treated like a dog is revolting. But to people like Edward Bernays, who believed manipulation of the masses by an invisible contingent of intellectually superior men, conditioning the minds of the masses through propaganda was a necessity in a democratic society to keep the herd under control.

Just a cursory examination of our society reveals a population of salivating consumers (dogs) who can be stimulated to buy the latest iPhone or techno-gadget with a simple Madison Avenue advertising campaign (bell). Everyone has seen the videos of the masses lining up like cattle on Black Friday, stampeding through aisles, and fighting each other like their the entertainment at Michael Vick’s house on a Saturday night. All the mega-corporate retailers and the corporate media have to do is ring a bell (SALE) and the dogs start salivating. Product placement, Hollywood star endorsements and influential people using a product immediately convince the easily manipulated dogs to salivate and purchase the products. The difference is that these dogs have credit cards issued by the Wall Street banks and funded by the Federal Reserve with dollars created out of thin air.  We are inundated with millions of TV, newspaper, radio, billboard, and internet advertisements designed to make us salivate (spend). Huxley’s dystopian vision of a society whose economic values, in which individual happiness is defined as the ability to satisfy needs, and achievement as a society is equated with economic growth and prosperity, has come to full fruition. He never conceived of consumers having the ability to consume without even having the money to do so. The credit card became our form of Soma. The so called progressives point to our ever increasing “advancements” in technology as proof that our society is progressing. Huxley knew otherwise, decades before we reached this disgusting point in history:

“Technological progress has merely provided us with more efficient means for going backwards.” -  Aldous Huxley

In reality our “technological progress” has done nothing more than create a humorless, shallow, superficial world of alienation and egocentric desires. Just as in Huxley’s Brave New World, science and technology have not been used to seek truth and advance our culture. They have been used by the State to sensor, control, and monitor the citizens. They use technology as a means to create electronic entertainment machines that generate both harmless leisure and the high levels of consumption and production that are the basis of societal stability and state designed happiness. When those in control talk about progress, they mean greater control over our lives. When the consumption of material goods isn’t enough to fill the holes within our souls, our owners are quick to prescribe a pill to smooth over those feelings of unease and discontent. In Huxley’s novel the population voluntarily consumes Soma to dispel any anxieties or negative emotion. The saying was, “One cubic centimeter cures ten gloomy sentiments.” In America the government controlled drug industry has thousands of pills to treat every ailment or unhappy thought that might ail you. Just don’t try and treat yourself with an unapproved natural or banned substance. The threat of imprisonment always lurks in the shadows. They just want us to be interchangeable bricks in the wall.

And the Worms Ate Into His Brain

“The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does. They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. Their perfect adjustment to that abnormal society is a measure of their mental sickness. These millions of abnormally normal people, living without fuss in a society to which, if they were fully human beings, they ought not to be adjusted.” -  Aldous Huxley


 Hey you, out there in the cold
Getting lonely, getting old
Can you feel me?
Hey you, standing in the aisles
With itchy feet and fading smiles
Can you feel me?
Hey you, don’t help them to bury the light
Don’t give in without a fight.

Pink Floyd – Hey You

The tragic deaths of twenty children and six adults in Newtown, Connecticut this past week and the similar tragedies in Aurora, Columbine, Virginia Tech and Tucson are a reflection of the twisted society we’ve created. The progressive control freak do-gooders that believe the government can solve all problems and improve our lives with another law or regulation, have as usual come to the wrong solution for the wrong problem. Stricter gun control laws would not have averted this this tragedy. Connecticut has the 5th toughest gun restrictions in the country according to the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. The guns were purchased legally by the mother of the killer. Mentally deranged people should not have access to guns, knives, automobiles, gasoline, or baseball bats. The real issue is not what he used to kill these innocent people, it’s what caused him to snap. Those in power want to divert the attention from this crucial question. In Huxley’s novel the characters do everything they can to avoid confronting the truth about their own lives. They try to alter reality by ingesting Soma, encouraged by the state as the ultimate form of willful self-delusion. Soma clouds the realities of the present and replaces them with happy hallucinations, and is thus a tool for promoting social stability. America has taken Huxley’s dystopian vision to an extreme. There are millions of children in this country being drugged on a daily basis to keep them under control. A majority of the mass murderers were taking psychotropic drugs, including the mentally deranged killer this week. These killings are a result of the state sponsored drugging of children, a culture that promotes narcissism, broken families and our technologically enhanced suburban sprawl isolation from human relationships, love and compassion for others.

We glorify technology even though it encourages the building of brick walls, creating a self-imposed isolation from society. The traditional family unit has been discarded, with 50% of marriages ending in divorce and 43% of all children born out of wedlock. Millions of families are dysfunctional, with parents too busy with their careers and acquiring material possessions, to bother with raising their children in a loving nurturing way. One in ten American adults choose to escape their man made cells with prescription anti-depressants. Almost one in four women in their 40s and 50s are popping pills to escape their depressing lives. Huxley envisioned a Soma Nation. America is a Prozac Nation. The wealthy think medicating their kids, spoiling them with toys, gadgets and cars, and occupying their days with organized sports and activities passes for involved parenting. Poor urban children are lucky if they ever lay eyes on their father. Ignorance, violence, and dependency are a given for most of these kids. And all of these children are matriculated into the government run schools whose sole purpose is to teach kids what to think, rather than how to think. Our owners need to keep us “happy” and focused on feelings, material possessions, and an infinite number of distractions, so they can retain control and continue their pillaging of the national wealth.       

Our leaders have attempted to design their own Brave New World, retaining control by making America’s citizens so contented and superficially fulfilled that they no longer care about their personal freedoms, liberties and civic responsibilities. The consequences of increasing state power are a loss of dignity, morals, values, and emotions. We are losing our humanity. The society created by Bernays and his minions who occupy the executive suites in NYC and slither through the halls of Congress has been built upon destroying all human truths, such as love, friendship, community, and personal connections. Decades of media propaganda, public education mind control, and peddling of debt convinced the majority that happiness meant immediate gratification of our desires for food, sex, drugs, clothes, iGadgets, and all the other consumer crap made in corporate sponsored slave labor factories across Asia. These delusional hallucinations of happiness are the prison walls we’ve built brick by brick.

 “This concern with the basic condition of freedom — the absence of physical constraint — is unquestionably necessary, but is not all that is necessary. It is perfectly possible for a man to be out of prison and yet not free — to be under no physical constraint and yet to be a psychological captive, compelled to think, feel and act as the representatives of the national State, or of some private interest within the nation, want him to think, feel and act.” -  Aldous Huxley

It took the intellectuals and progressives that wield power across the land only moments to hijack the feelings of sorrow and pain sweeping the nation, to misdirect attention from the mental illnesses caused by the society they’ve created, towards the false storyline that gun violence is sweeping the land. In reality, violent crime has been falling for over a decade as gun sales have soared. The homicide rate in this country is the lowest since 1964, with the vast majority of homicides occurring in the urban kill zones created by the five decade long progressive war on poverty. The truth is of no interest to those brandishing power. After decades of conditioning, the masses are psychologically captive to the messages designed to make them salivate. They will be compelled to think, feel and act as instructed by the Alphas. There will be calls for more police, despite the fact that police rarely stop a crime. With all of their armaments, technology, high powered weaponry, and political clout, they can be counted on to arrive five minutes after the tragedy is over. But they are brilliant in luring clueless Muslim teenagers into terrorist plots, picking the target, providing the fake bombs, and taking credit for foiling the plots they created. More union police officers will increase our safety as much as more union teachers have made our kids smarter. This tragedy will be used by the propagandists to impose further restrictions upon those who choose personal responsibility and self-reliance over dependency and trust in the efficiency and fairness of our benevolent government overlords.

 File:Violent Crime Rates in the United States.svg

As the father of three sons I can’t imagine the pain, sorrow and emptiness the parents of these beautiful children must be experiencing. The grief is overwhelming. I mourn for the children and adults slaughtered by a mentally deranged young man created by our truly perverted culture of alienation. I mourn for the children being raised in a society run by evil psychopathic liars that use the power of propaganda and the tools of debt to control and manipulate its citizens. I mourn for unborn generations that will be forced to confront the dreadful depraved chaos created by our culture of egocentric greed and narcissism. The things we value in this culture – accumulating wealth, outward beauty, acquisition of material possessions, instant gratification, access to debt, government control, and curing our ills with drugs – are driving us insane. Who is really abnormal in a profoundly abnormal society? Believing that possessions, more laws or another medication will truly make us happy is insane. Popping a pill, buying a new iPhone, or passing another law will not cure the disease that permeates this nation. We need to recapture the humanity, civic pride and self-responsibility that built this country. Only an awakened populace can change our course.

Huxley feared that our desires would ruin us. Orwell was afraid that what we fear would ruin us. The oligarchs have pushed the Huxley vision to its sustainable limit. The avarice and greed of these invisible power brokers has devoured the vast resources of the nation. These psychopaths weren’t satisfied with siphoning off most of the wealth of the country. They wanted it all and wrecked the global economy in their odious pursuit of mammon. We are now in the death throes of the most decadent, delusional, debt engendered era in the long history of mankind. Those in power realize it is slipping away. Their “solutions” reflect an air of desperation. Their propaganda efforts have been redoubled. As more middle class workers lose their jobs, more young people graduate from college with tens of thousands in student loan debt and a future of dramatically reduced expectations, and more people are driven beyond their breaking point, this materialistic shroud of happiness will be torn asunder. Anger is building like a lava dome within a volcano. A critical thinking minority are questioning the motives of those in power. The unsustainability of our economic paradigm is certain. The seeds of revolution are being sown. Our society is only fantasy. The wall is too high. It will be up to an irate tireless minority of freedom minded citizens to tear down the wall. The alternative is to allow the worms to eat into our brains. Each of us must answer a simple question. Are you just another brick in the wall?

But it was only fantasy.
The wall was too high,
As you can see.
No matter how he tried,
He could not break free.
And the worms ate into his brain.

Pink Floyd – Hey You


The oligarchs will not give up without a fight. Their realization that the Brave New World method of controlling the masses has run its course has convinced them to shift their methods towards Orwell’s 1984 tactics. In part two of this series – Mother Should I Trust the Government? - I’ll address how the use of fear, war, pain, and surveillance are becoming the new controlling method of the oligarchs.


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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:53 | 3073136 fonzannoon
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If she had 10 mil and the economy implodes then supply lines get shut down and she loses access to almost everything she needs. If her 10 mil is in a bank that fails and the collapse is the real deal then she probably is screwed there too. Get that into your head.

"And besides how do we know she didn't already have the house on 20 acres in Montana? Paid for in cash? With 5 years of MREs in a 2,000 sq ft underground den, a vault with enough gold bullion to buy Greece, the underground tank with 60,000 gallons of diesel, 3 generators, hydroponics and greenhouses, and a 20 foot tall 20 foot deep electric fence?"

Maybe she does have all that. That means she was pretty well prepared. You seem to be ripping her for preparing at all under the assumption that she had a lot of money. If so then I revert back to my above point.

"Maybe she was just packing up to bug out when her kid popped her in the head."

Maybe so. My whole point is she seems to have done a shit job of keeping those weapons away from a kid who she knew had some seriously bad intent (if any of this is true to begin with).

But just because someone has some coin does not make them stupid to prepare. It makes them the opposite.

"He who wears a smile for an umbrella gets his ass soaking wet."

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:10 | 3073173 cougar_w
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Rich people don't think like you and I do. They are from another planet where bad shit never happens. Doesn't mean they are right of course, but that's how they think and so that's how they act. So no, I don't expect rich people to give a rat's ass about survival or set aside anything for that eventuality. They plan on having no issues to start with. And if it gets awkward at some point they load into someone's private 200 foot yacht tool across the Atlantic smoking pot to wait out the next 50 years enjoying the booze and free sex in Ibiza.

Seriously. That's their solution.

They just don't care. And then they aren't staying around to get caught. Anyone with a lot of money planning or pretending to be ready to tough it out is playing games.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:16 | 3073189 fonzannoon
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How you can paint everyone with one brush like that is amazing to me.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:51 | 3073277 Flakmeister
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You obviously have never met many rich people....

Try working on Wall St. for a while....

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:54 | 3073285 fonzannoon
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Every rich person works on Wall Street.... You get dumber by the minute. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:54 | 3073286 fonzannoon
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Every rich person works on Wall Street.... You get dumber by the minute. 

double post because you are double stupid.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:46 | 3073943 Flakmeister
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Did you fail syllogism construction when you went to school? It sure seems like it...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:11 | 3073342 centerline
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Flak - You are so off course here that you are just looking like someone with an axe to grind.  You are just making a fool of yourself.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:34 | 3073831 Flakmeister
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Someone with an axe to grind? Sounds like every fucking poster here...

And I am curious as what course you think I am on?

I am just pointing out the obvious, what happened is a reflection of our society's values and the price that comes with it...Whats the matter, 'fraid to look in the mirror?

Like I just said, the mother gets my vote for the 2012 Darwin Award...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:46 | 3072938 Spastica Rex
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Maybe it's just ironic, dontcha think?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:46 | 3072940 fonzannoon
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Thanks spastica. I was hoping he would get there on his own....

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:50 | 3072947 Spastica Rex
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Like rain on your wedding day.

Actually, I have a a sardonic side, as well. Sometimes I laugh becasue I'm tired of crying.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:02 | 3072982 francis_sawyer
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At least you know how to properly use the word 'sardonic' in text...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:16 | 3073357 centerline
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I guess that is my word for the day.  I learned something.  Time to quit while I am ahead I suppose.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:20 | 3073200 Bicycle Repairman
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For the Alanis Morrisette reference I gave you a red.

Alanis Morrisette?  Really?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:57 | 3073300 francis_sawyer
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Who the fuck is that?... 'Alanis'???... Is that a chick or a dude?... or, like, a lost continent or something...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:15 | 3073356 Creepy Lurker
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Strangely enough, my husband likes her too. I find her having male fans quite ironic.

That girl's got issues.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:24 | 3073531 Spastica Rex
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I liked her when she was a little girl and got green slime pored on her head.

It was an ironic reference, like when I wear my Glen Campbell t-shirt.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:26 | 3072883 Raymond Reason
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Thanks for helping make that possible, flake. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:58 | 3073304 SAT 800
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We're a little out practice with the dead kids thing; at the time of the signing of the Constitution; 3 out of 5 of them died before they were five years old. And Childbirth was the great killer of human females. Dead kids used to be pretty routine, actually.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:22 | 3072870 mendolover
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We don't know her, but I am beginning to see how she made a horrible misjudgement.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:25 | 3072879 A Lunatic
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We see what we are told to see by the MSM. We don't know shit.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:06 | 3072997 Bay of Pigs
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How can we believe the official story as it changes by the hour/day? The MSM is of little help on anything these days.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:38 | 3073086 gmrpeabody
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I imagine they are debating the best way to spin it....

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:54 | 3073137 nmewn
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Very true.

It went from the rifle was in the back seat and not used to the rifle was what was used in the span of 24hrs.

I even got sucked in by him having to be buzzed they're saying he broke (probably shot through) the glass in the door or beside the door.

What I find interesting now is, the killers Mom was pulling down 325k in alimony. She could have gotten whatever "help" she or they (the father) wanted for this little psycho...up to and including institutionalizing him.

But obviously, didn't...or did they?

I want to know what his medications were.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:33 | 3073230 francis_sawyer
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Fuck the medications... I wan't to know... If she was a PREPPER pulling down $325k joobux a month in alimony... WHERE IS THE GOLD STASHED?...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:56 | 3073261 tickhound
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Dated a girl a while back who, let's just say, was a bit anxious at times.  After she got a new job (KPMG of all shitholes), she started drinking nightly, at first just to go to bed.  It got pretty bad.

SO, her nurse step-mother who like to say, "No one should ever be in pain in this day and age" had her checked out.

LEXAPRO to the rescue.  At first, I'll admit, things changed for the "better"... happier, stopped drinking (as much), etc.  Then one night she freaking snapped breaking shit all over the apartment, cut her hand open punching the medicine cabinet... HOLY SHIT time for me.

It wasn't my "worldview" to blame cuz, back then, the system still like me.

She now works for her dad. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:59 | 3073306 francis_sawyer
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Bitchez bitchez...


Shoulda prolly stuck with LEXAMATEUR...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:25 | 3073386 nmewn
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Sounds like you had some first hand experience with

I'm serious though, there is something goin on with these fuckers goin off the rails here lately.

This Holmes guy out in Colorado was seeing a shrink at the university, so he was a known moonbat. He drove by other movie theaters (showing the very same movie) to go to a theater that has the big decal on the entrance door saying NO FIREARMS ALLOWED. Rigged his own damned apartment to blow up as well figuring he would die. 

That takes a lot of preparation, thinking clearly enough to go through contingencies, money...and time.

This one recently, doesn't bug me near as much as the one in Aurora...there's something more to that one than some little punk wanting his ten minutes of infamy.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:21 | 3073037 Raymond Reason
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As far as i'm concerned, all of these public sacrifices are black ops, until proven otherwise.  The burden of proof is on them. 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:24 | 3073808 Cosimo de Medici
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Two things remind me how fucked up our species is, and may have always been.  One is this horrific slaughter in Newtown.  The other is comments such as yours and the vote count associated with it.  Madness and moonbats all around.  It makes a guy wish those chemtrails were actually real and they contained vaporized valium.

Oh, and no links please.  Those who advocate tossing out their TVs should do the same with their internet connection, if freedom from bullshit is a genuine goal.

Shit happens.  Randomness.  Poor quality control at the factory of the "Supreme" Being.  You are so uncomfortable with disorder that you find it preferable to believe in a malevolent string puller, accepting all the bile and mad anger that naturally comes with it.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 14:03 | 3075274 Raymond Reason
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We all live by faith, Cosimo, whether we admit it or not. 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:03 | 3079693 RallyRoundTheFamily
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It is a natural reaction when you are lied to continuously by those who say "Trust us"

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:34 | 3073058 Ignatius
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This is the media trick:  get people to have strong opinions about things they know little or nothing about.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:44 | 3073109 A Lunatic
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The MSM intentionally throws so much disinformation out there that the facts are simply unknowable and mostly irrelevant once 800 million water-cooler discussions are had by armchair psychiatrists in the court of public opinion. When you publicly call someone a child molester, for example, all the retraction in the world won't fix the reputation of the injured party.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:28 | 3072889 fuu
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"That woman never should have made those weapons available to her unstable son."

Yes how dare she get murdered by her son who then used his booty to kill others. Stupid woman.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:32 | 3072903 fonzannoon
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She got murdered because (apparently) she made access to those weapons fairly easy. Unless I am wrong about that. Which is possible.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:56 | 3072968 falak pema
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by her can't hedge against that...the irony is that while she was stocking up to ward off that crazy criminal world outside, she was blind to her own paranoia making her son even more so in her own image...sow as you reap.

Yes, supreme irony. Now do you get it? 

She was made to be a very normal person in a very normal, super safe, cosy, upper middle class US suburban wealthy town. 

Dring dring dring...It must be the birds like in Hitchock's film that are spreading the disease. We have to find an alien source. 

We are our own enemies when we go round the bend, but we keep shooting the birds; the others...if this goes viral people will be looking under their beds. And Orson Welles will be back on that radio. 


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:59 | 3072979 fonzannoon
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Irony is not necessarily funny. He seemed to truly find this funny. That is disturning. The ironly of the situation is hard to miss.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:04 | 3072991 francis_sawyer
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Y'all are totally missing the point... If she was a 'prepper' then she had a gold stash... So ~ are you going to tell me that her kid took a boating trip before he hit up the school?... This is an important missing detail...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:23 | 3073380 centerline
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Damn falak, you are drawing conclusions that you can't based on the lack of information.  You could be right, but it's pure speculation.  Shit, your practically calling Mormons sick... and many of those folks have it together better than most.

How about he was a sick child who just might have been ignored over and over when he really needed help.  Rather than paranoia, neglect.  Or maybe for a good portion of her life she was just angry that he was different.  Maybe blind or unwilling to accept he was different combined with neglect or anger.  Man... you never know until you get the whole story.  And even then it is second hand.  Of course, we will never get the real story.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:04 | 3073020 fuu
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Well did she or did she not? What you don't know? Just what you read somewhere or other I'm sure. Oh well thanks for sharing that unsubstantiated claim, we couldn't have had a conversation without it.

It occurred to me that you were pretty good with guns during the hurricane, so I went back and found a couple quotes for you:

"i don't see any bankers wandering around with chardonnay. if i do i have a few mossbergs laying around."

"I have no power. At a frends place. Sending my wife and daughter away tomorrow if no power back. Already spoke to two neighbors that have guns (many). We will start a neighborhood watch prob tomorrow night. I am not fkin around. If I see someone near my house they get one chance to identify themselves. Then it's over. I am an insomniac and am less than cordial late at night."

"It's funny. I mentioned it to some neighbors today. Even the guys with the guns. They still think I am an alarmist. They are too stupid to see shit right in front of their faces."

"That is on my list Doc. The gun thing took me a while to warm up to. I bought a 12 gauge mossberg a while back. For me that was a big deal."

So you got your Mossberg locked away in the gun cabinet and you go to sleep for the night. At 3 am little Fonzi Jr gets your cabinet key and gets the Mossberg out. He loads it up and blows your ass away while you are sleeping.

I wonder if that will absolve your kid of his crime, or be used to paint every gun owner as a complicit criminal, or if random people will regurgitate little fonzannoon factoids they run across in random locations. I wonder if they will bother to do any investigation of their own first.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:24 | 3073183 fonzannoon
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Hey FUU how many times did I use the word "allegedly". Since you went back and found my quotes do me a favor and go back on this thread and count em.

You found some quotes from me during the storm when there were home invasions and looting taking place blocks away from me? So fuckin what? What does that have to do with anything?

To answer your question if you wake up one day and read that my 20 year old medically induced son that had no emotional capability and was prone to sit alone in my house and play violent video games....and I had expressed to people that I was aware that he was dangerous.....gets my weapon and shoots me with it...with my can certainly sit there and say "well if all that is true....that is really ironic!".

By the way, where did I say she was a criminal? I said "It seems" she was sloppy and allowed her son access to these weapons. Try to be accurate and don't put words in my mouth.

But since we can't really substantiate anything, ever, completely. Let's talk about nothing.

Here is some help for you.

"I think her son suffered from a medical condition that rendered him unable to feel pain or emotion (allegedly). He (allegedly) spent years playing those disturbing video games alone in his house. I read something earlier (allegedly) from someone who used to babysit the kid, claiming he was told to "never, ever, turn yur back on him....don't even go to the bathroom".

If that is true....and I have no idea if it is....I can't understand why she would teach him to use those weapons and keep them in his vicinity. She (allegedly) feared an economic collapse, which I suppose would lead to a collapse in the social fabric.....all the while her son was a manifestation of that and she gave him the tools he needed. I see the Irony. But it ain't funny."

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:29 | 3073213 fuu
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Your (allegedly) post was 40 minutes after: "That woman never should have made those weapons available to her unstable son"

22 minutes after: "She got murdered because (apparently) she made access to those weapons fairly easy"

27 minutes after: "most mentally disturbed people out there are the ones most prepared" post.

So once.

Also, I never asked you a question.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:37 | 3073225 fonzannoon
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All three of the posts you refer to are me trying to figure out what is funny about all this.

 "I wonder if that will absolve your kid of his crime, or be used to paint every gun owner as a complicit criminal, or if random people will regurgitate little fonzannoon factoids they run across in random locations. I wonder if they will bother to do any investigation of their own first."

You asked a question and your whole post was directed at me. So I answered it for you.

From the author: "The guns were purchased legally by the mother of the killer. Mentally deranged people should not have access to guns, knives, automobiles, gasoline, or baseball bats"

He is making the inference that the mother made the access available. The rest of us were just working off the post. I think I made it as clear as I could throughout all my posts that no one really knows anything. You are just picking at something that is not there.

Since we are nitpicking...where did I say she was a criminal?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:41 | 3073247 fuu
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Are you secretly Flakmeister's fluffer?

Flak was using this story to paint all preppers with a broad brush. He was being a douchebag, it's what he does.

Instead of just calling him out on his douchbaggery you went ahead and spewed forth a whole load of shit including that old cannard, VIDEO GAMES!

You made sure you called cougar_w out for her broad brush, but not Flak.

Oh I see, the bullshit article made you do it.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:59 | 3073269 fonzannoon
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Flake was being a douchebag by implying this was funny in some way. I know Flake is a total troll trying to instigate.  Couger blew me away because I did not think he/she would paint everyone like that. But more interestingly the self assuredness he/she used to do it. Shit just the other day I gave him/hercredit for putting on here what I thought was the best post ever on ZH. This time I thought he/she was wrong so I said so. People have done it to me plenty of times. I can take it. I figure Cougar can too.

I said "She got murdered because (apparently) she made access to those weapons fairly easy. Unless I am wrong about that. Which is possible".

I did not think I needed to go much further than that to explain that we are all working offf a seriously loose interpretation of what may or may not have happened. I was not trying to be arrogant. When someone asked me what I thought I went on in more detail in the "allegedly" post.

I am trying to respond to everything you are saying. Now please tell me where I said this woman is a criminal?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:00 | 3073311 Flakmeister
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You really don't get it...

It is the equivalent of shitting in your own crib, wake up and smell the coffee...

Reap what you sow, living and dying by the sword...

The whole "ride the end-of-days through guns" meme is  bereft of any logical internal consistency...

Life ain't a pulp-ficting sci-fi thriller...

BTW, Coug is the real deal, one of the few here that I pay any attention to....

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:13 | 3073320 fonzannoon
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I get the irony, I failed to see where it was funny. Especially when you consider that 26 kids were dragged into it. But you do actually find it funny. That makes you sick.

Fuu calls me out all over the place and I respond each time. He says I called this woman a criminal and I ask him to show me where I did that and he disappears....that's odd.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:26 | 3073815 Flakmeister
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Re: Funny, hardly in the sense you think...

There is plenty of tragedy to go round, another 26 lives don't do it for me. I'm a bit jaded and I don't get sucked into the pity party that easily. Maybe because I am repelled by the bullshit that crawls out from both sides. Maybe it comes from having known 4 people that died in the infamous Air India bombing..

If you want a society of guns, well, there you have it. the price you must pay in stark terms... Your society, your choice...

As for the mother, she is my candidate for the 2012 Darwin award...


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:19 | 3073339 fuu
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I never said that you said she was a criminal dude, nor did I imply it.

Since 12:52 Friday 12/14/12 Ben has printed another $4,521,600,000.

356 people in America have died in car accidents.

While over 180 million gun owners have not shot anyone.


Let's keep spreading around the innuendo and hearsay though, I mean we don't get enough of that sort of thing already.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:19 | 3073371 fonzannoon
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Cougar describing every "rich person" as one in the same in the arrogant fashion that she did it is spreading innuendu and hearsay...I did not see you calling her out. Are you her fluffer?

I made it clear through and through with every post that none of this has been verified. I was not arrogantly stating an opinion accepting the bullshit news as fact. You had a bone to pick for whatever reason and you are trying to paint me as having done that. That is bullshit.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:49 | 3073450 fuu
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Yeah cougar was being a douche and you went after him and won that round. Your attack on Flak was weak bullshit though and in the end you looked like a douche too.

That's fight club for you.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:58 | 3073480 fonzannoon
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Anything I said to flak I did my best to put in the context that no one knows what really happened. But if that was not good enough for you I get it. And your unwillingness to call a spade a sapde with cougar until just now makes you a hypocrite. I guess that is fight club.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:23 | 3073532 fuu
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Pretty sure calling someone out for doing what you were doing is the actual hypocracy.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:29 | 3073546 fonzannoon
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If it were up to you no one would talk about anything because none of us truly knows what goes on 100% of the time. Zerohedge would be non existant. Sounds like fun. I made sure my comments were clarified by the fact that no one knows what really happened. If I was just arrogantly stating my opinion as facts as Couger and Flak did and then called them out that would be hypocritical.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:47 | 3073576 fuu
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Yes head off into ad absurdum land. See ya!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:51 | 3073587 fonzannoon
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Be careful with those video games they will rot your brain.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:54 | 3073594 fuu
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Mossy up your tv first.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:06 | 3072999 Al Huxley
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I agree fonz. There's nothing fucking funny, or ironic about 20 innocent kids being killed.  Maybe the mother being killed by her own creation was ironic (but not funny) but the rest of it was just sick, and fucking heartbreaking.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:27 | 3073032 fonzannoon
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Thanks Al....I mean holy shit...If you reduce it to the mother and the son....there is irony there....but people getting a laugh out of this makes me hope that Bernanke gets it right. Because as much as I think we need a reset....if some of the most mentally disturbed people out there are the ones most prepared for it....society is totally fucked.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:58 | 3073260 Everybodys All ...
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If society spins out of control economically this is unfortunately going to be common. People have lost their moral compass entirely in America.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:17 | 3072848 wisefool
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What was she worried about? This honestly confuses me. She was getting $240,000/yr alimony (soon to be adjusted to $300,000) From the man who makes sure G.E. pays no taxes. (100% job security, especially considering he works for the job czar jeff immelt)

Even after a collapse, she would still be getting paid. In SDRs, In PMs, in uranium credits, in water credits,, tulips, etc. Whatever the basis of the next phase of central planning is, G.E. would be part of it. I would think preppers would be poor people preparing for 2 more years of drought. Not a stepford ex-wife like this.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:20 | 3072860 mendolover
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Anyone think it's possible that being married (or not) to a top auditor for GE would give her a little insight into where the economy is headed under the watch of all these goddamn psycopaths?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:25 | 3072881 Buckaroo Banzai
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Bingo. She may not have been able to control her mentally ill son, but it's obvious to me that at least she could think clearly about some things.

Instead of piling on this poor woman, how about a little sympathy? Her son did shoot her in the head a bunch of times. Imagine the horror of being confronted, shot, and killed by your own son.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:30 | 3072896 wisefool
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You guys make good points. I admitted I was confused  (doesn't take much). I also meant no disrespect. sincere appologies if it came off that way. (cant edit my post anymore)

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:55 | 3072925 tickhound
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Dude speak your mind... You're on the right track here.

Insight into Central Planning?  Trust me, OUR GE JOB CZAR is hard at work trying to fix shit.

To Freddie's disappointment I was watching TV last night (Pats v 9'ers) and here is the latest NUMB YOU commercial piece....


-Zirp tied to unemployment.

-Squash a Union here, squash one there... And as I've said, the Klepto-libtards WILL LAY DOWN for this shit... as the tards at HuffPo will discover soon enough. 

So now what, bitchez?  Look to the neocons for help?  LOL.

Systemic change or a government teet for all.  Fewer and fewer $ in productive labor.  The dayz of the "little guy" working hard to appreciate the fruits of his labor are buzzing away by the flicking of more switches.  And the multi-nationals don't give a shit.  If the system stays intact the BEST society could hope for is for these profits to be "redistributed" to the ever increasing jobless.

We can't ALL be scientists and technicians. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:04 | 3073322 francis_sawyer
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Try this one on for size...


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:23 | 3073379 tickhound
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Yeah but francis, isn't this just a promo for Glenn Beck's book AGENDA 21?  My understanding is that he was "mocking" it in the video.

The video I posted actually AIRED... during the game.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:06 | 3073495 Freddie
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Keep watching TV. Keep supporting GE/Comcast/Universal. Keep supporti The Matrix like a good little sheep.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 23:08 | 3073625 tickhound
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For someone who never watches TV, you always seem to know what's on and when, the latest hollywood gossip, what that latest movie is about, the actors and producers involved, their history, AND WHO THEY FUCK.

You sound more and more like a hypocritical broken record everyday.

You were relevant the first 50 times.  You should update your schtick.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:53 | 3072957 cougar_w
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No you made good points. She was part of the upper 2% of the nation, an eviable position. What happened here was clearly a case of not being able to descriminate fantasy from fact, running off the deep end, and dying in the swamps of self delusion. The most sensible thing for her to have done was ignore the world entirely. If she had just maybe she would not have driven an already unstable boy bat-shit crazy with fears of the dark.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:10 | 3073000 francis_sawyer
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You guys are still missing my point above...


~ She's making all that alimony loot

~ She's a PREPPER

Tick Tick Tick Tick... WHERE'S THE FUCKING GOLD?


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:12 | 3073014 cougar_w
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The upper 2% know how to do this shit right.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:26 | 3073391 unrulian
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where do you think? The pigs took it....and who cares it was soiled.. joobuck alimony and all.. donkey

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:26 | 3073041 tip e. canoe
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well since everyone is playing monday evening armchair Freud, i would propose that having an absent father who works as an asshole accountant helping G-fucking-E find new & ingenious loopholes to avoid taxes while at the same time sucking on the government teat probably had more than a little bit to do with it as well.   especially if the mom was vocal about her fears at the way society was heading, while at the same time living in a McMansion and collecting checks every month from same absent father.

anyone who has been around here long enough to witness the rage that is spewed should be able to understand how that dysfunctional hypocrisy could create a violent schism in someone who was particularly sensitive to their environment.

that is, if the story we are being told is accurate.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:09 | 3073768 Cathartes Aura
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ah, finally an alternative to the prevailing storyline. . .

I'll add a bit to your proposal - asshole accountant Gee-we-don't-pay-taxes-lawl-E might have shared some tales of life inside the machine with mom, thus ramping up her fears 'round about this time in the matrix, and given her first-borne jumped ship with daddy (hadn't seen his younger brother since the divorce in 2010, working same professional story, hm), it would appear she and her younger child might have felt cut loose, adrift. . . holed up in her McMansion, monied yes, but watching the world through a parallel set of lenses than her most likely more docile sheeple neighbours. . .

fed an insider version of the world, abandoned. . . with a child that would be fully dependent on her. . .

that is, if the story we are being told is accurate.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:04 | 3074201 tip e. canoe
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always happy to oblige with the take from leftfield aura.    concur with your embellishment -- they were married for 28 years after all.   interesting that the divorce papers mentioned "financial disputes" not "parenting disputes" as the reason (hattip: blindman).

that is, that is...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 23:28 | 3076491 Cathartes Aura
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yes, hattip blindman here too, I read his posts as he's another well reasoned poster. . .

by the way, "28 years" is a saturn cycle, the source of the "7 year itch" meme applied to relationships is the first quarter square (tension applied to original decision) - very common in marriages/etc. - I know most don't consider these things of interest, but following the patterns always throws up interesting correlations. . .

so their relationship had fulfilled the original purpose, whatever that might have been, and it finished up with payments agreed over time, which are now null/void.   *nods*

while I'm wittering away on a dead thread, on 12/12/12 I posted this:

new moon, juuuuuuust before Uranus goes direct, whatever was *up* in July is going to get a re-do, emotionally and otherwise, inner/outer/space'd.  banana peels til year's end. . .

and what was "up" around that time but the Aurora shooter story?  Uranus retrograde 13 July, event on 20th. . . Uranus stationed direct on 13th Dec., event 14th. . . would love to see the birth details of the shooter, not to mention the whole family. . .

forensics    *nods*

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:24 | 3073042 Notarocketscientist
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I bet the husand is quite pleased - he's got an instant 'unfamily'  - he not longer has to deal with a crazy son - and best of all NO MORE ALIMONY!

Seeing as his job is to make sure GE pays no taxes you can imagine his glee - I bet the tax department people were high fiving him the morning after

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:43 | 3073434 Overfed
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That's awful. And the truth is likely worse. That guy is in a position to have his own kid MKUltra'ed into committing this heinous shit. Food for thought.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:51 | 3073442 TheFourthStooge-ing
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I really wanted to hit the down arrow when I saw:

I bet the husand is quite pleased - he's got an instant 'unfamily'  - he not longer has to deal with a crazy son - and best of all NO MORE ALIMONY!

because it appeared to be taking cynicism to a hyperbolic degree. I couldn't do it, though, because after reading this:

Seeing as his job is to make sure GE pays no taxes you can imagine his glee - I bet the tax department people were high fiving him the morning after

it struck me, in a visceral manner, that this would be the exact response of a psychopath/sociopath in that particular situation.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:21 | 3072862 fonzannoon
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If a collapse happens supply lines shut down. Her alimony and a lot more would be done in an instant. You think an economic collapse happens and her husband and GE is still kickin ass? That is not a collapse.

The fact that she knew what you are saying and was still prepping means either she had some issues or knews something you and I did not.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:54 | 3072961 cougar_w
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Or maybe she just drank too much.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:55 | 3072963 fonzannoon
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Very possible.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:20 | 3073026 Bay of Pigs
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We don't know if he shot his mother. We don't know if he acted alone. We dont know if he was on drugs and/or brainwashed. We don't what guns were used. And on and on...we aren't being told anything else than what the govt controlled media wants us to "know".

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:27 | 3073052 A Lunatic
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Well that's no reason not to jump to judgmental conclusions based on our own greed, envy, hatred, ignorance, self entitlement or agenda is it?


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:30 | 3073061 cougar_w
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Maybe someone shot her from a grassy knoll?

Why not. It's about as likely as all that other stuff you mention.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:16 | 3073023 Zap Powerz
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Well, that is my problem.  I thought about quitting, but I figure when the collapse happens I quit then since there wont be any more to drink.  In the meantime......

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:22 | 3072867 THX 1178
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"Even after a collapse, she would still be getting paid."


Why? Because you say so.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:55 | 3072964 cougar_w
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Because that's what happens when you live in the upper 2% of the world.

These fuckers don't lose, ever. Who doesn't get that part?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:21 | 3073038 fonzannoon
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she lost.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:32 | 3073063 cougar_w
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Well she wasn't losing until she ran her life off the rails and took 4 bullets in the brain. That was just dumb. All that money, and so dumb.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:44 | 3073110 fonzannoon
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So if her son was not a "problem" then she would still have run her life off the rails because she feared an economic collapse? Someone doing pretty well for themselves....but yet concerned about an economic collapse and preparing for wrong to be doing that? All because they were doing well in the current sutuation? All preppers have to be economically in bad shape? I am missing your point.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:56 | 3073143 cougar_w
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I don't know what motivates people. I wonder sometimes if it's been thought through or not, but it's not my thing so I don't over analyze it. All I'm saying is she in particular given her welath and connections was probably playing a fantasy and went over the deep end and got herself killed. Maybe she wanted to be part of another class of people, people who are not dragging things down but ready to pull things back up, but didn't know how to go about it and sort of screwed around instead.

Listen, if she really had felt that way, that it was all going south adn it was time to get serious, she might have been on her toes and paying attention. But buying guns and leaving them laying around for anyone to get their hands on, and probably playing up how bad things will be and pretending to be Tarzan or Conan the Barbarian, while her kid is tweeking and doing God knows what drugs on the side, it's just a recipe for someone's shit coming unwired.

I would hope that most people preparing for a societal collapse would have their game on and not have someone standing behind them some day with one of their own loaded guns. But what do I know?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:01 | 3073152 fonzannoon
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Maybe it is just as simple as you said above. She drank too much and was sloppy.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:50 | 3073457 Oldwood
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The children are most parent's greatest weakness. They will tolerate things from there kids that they would never accept from anyone else. There are plenty of bad parents out there and obviously this mother failed on some level, whether it was failing to get her son proper treatment or inadequate handling of her weapons, but as with most things none of us are without flaw and should show some empathy for her regardless. Condemning her because she had money or was a prepper just seems like a waste of time and reflects poorly on everyone here. Not that anyone gives a damn what anyone thinks.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:52 | 3073461 centerline
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No way man.  To be in the top 2% isn't really all that.  Your lumping ballplayers and hollywood (as examples) in the mix.  That "wealth" will be vaporized.  Most of the "so called" wealthy will be screwed.  And because they really didn't see it coming, and have father to fall, it will be a real bitch for them to adapt.  Plus, this fucked up world rewards people wildly for things that have no real value.  That ain't gonna happen when the real value of labor and resources crashes back to reality.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:22 | 3072869 Buckaroo Banzai
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You people are actually relying on reporting from a British paper, to pass judgment on this woman?

The fucking English are so far gone their idea of prepping for bad times would be to have 12 pints, get into a fight at the pub, throw up in the alley, and wake up in a ditch with their pants around their ankles.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:42 | 3072931 EverythingFubar
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Beer and peanuts..worked for Arthur Dent..

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:15 | 3073019 viahj
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and a towell

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:16 | 3073358 hooligan2009
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i was a "you people" once..or twice..ok..more times than i needed to be :)

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:19 | 3072855 hannah
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'reap what you sow...'


that dumb bitch thought our society was going to collapse....? boy is she an idiot. ben and pres hussein have our backs and she didnt believe it...WTF

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:23 | 3072873 falak pema
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well she sounds a lot like some people we meet here on ZH.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:27 | 3072887 Buckaroo Banzai
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<-- my preps are in, fuck the media

<-- preps? that's for crazy people. Obama's got my back!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:08 | 3073007 The Shootist
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"Orwell was afraid the citizens would capitulate to their own fears?" I'm not afraid of TPTB. Bring on a war, there are enough of us with conviction to topple the controllers.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:34 | 3073073 samsara
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Great Reply, And Great use of physical placement.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:57 | 3072969 cougar_w
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It's all in good fun though, didn't you know that?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:10 | 3072811 A Lunatic
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I am powerless to think or do for myself. Everything I know I learned from 15 second soundbites on my TeeeVeeee.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:14 | 3072821 Cursive
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Roger Waters’ vision is colored by Orwell’s 1984 dystopian nightmare of lies, misinformation, propaganda and brutality. The missing piece, which Waters didn’t see coming in 1979, was the ability of the oligarchs to use their control of the credit system to entrap the masses by convincing them to love their servitude and become so consumed with material possessions and the love of money that they would become nothing more than passive egotistical consumers.


Well said, Jim Quinn.  This is actually a difficult concept to put into words.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:37 | 3072916 knukles
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Long before, Bernays was utilizing powerful socially based messaging, perceptions managemant, to effect the very same behavioral responses.

To wit: the 1929 Easter Sunday debutante smoking parade in NYC....
Generally referred to as "Torches of Freedom" which is credited with changing virtually single handedly, the very perception of women and smoking, forever.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:13 | 3072823 buzzsaw99
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A majority of the mass murderers were taking psychotropic drugs, including the mentally deranged killer this week.

I KNEW IT! Big pharma killed those children the same way they killed and butchered a little girl in our state.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:03 | 3072983 cougar_w
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It isn't an excuse just because it might be a fact. A lot of societal ills are the results of corporations using their freedoms of speech to convince people (starting in childhood) to do things to themselves that enrich the corporations at the expense (physical, mental and financial) of the individual. They do so knowing the result will be lost lives and lost consumers of their products or services, but don't particularly care, because new people are entering the pipeline every day ripe for the taking.

It is a form of predation. They are eating us. Though they eat some of us more readily that others.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:18 | 3072853 Karl von Bahnhof
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Dear ZH friends, please read this very interesting information source. Words of J. Evola, Alain de Benoist, H.L. Mencken, Alexander Dugin and others.
These are very close to us. We are not alone in this world.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:20 | 3072857 otto skorzeny
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strange how Batman killer's dad and Conn creep's dad are both deeply involved in LIBOR scandal at the highest levels. something is rotten in the state of Denmark

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:26 | 3072884 Tyler Durden
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Could you please provide the primary source link, from the US Senate, where it says that Peter Lanza, a "Tax Director and Vice President - Taxes at GE Energy Financial Services" based on his LinkedIn page, was scheduled to testify over any Libor related issues.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:33 | 3072908 fonzannoon
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Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:26 | 3079792 RallyRoundTheFamily
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It's a Sorcha Fal disinfo op.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:34 | 3072909 fonzannoon
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dupe...more crickets.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:39 | 3072920 tip e. canoe
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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:41 | 3073022 francis_sawyer
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If you hang on for a minute ~ I think I can come up with something on Holmes... I ran across it back in mid-July (right between the Aurora shootings & the Olympics timeframe)... At least the part about the connection to FICO & Libor...

Give me a bit (or I'll post it in a later thread)...


Edit: These weren't the links that I was searching for, but they are compelling nonetheless...

AURORA ~ (Caveat: the 'assignment' isn't simply to shrug it off as fluff ~ but to consider the almost IMPOSSIBLE co-incidence, & keep an open mind)

NEWTOWN ~ (Again ~ this is too 'raw' to draw any conclusions... But the 'Dancing Israelis' [after 9/11] which were, at first, called an urban legend, later were proved to be true...


To satisfy anyone's appetite in the mean time... One could easily SEARCH [Holmes + father + FICO], & there's tons of stuff out there... I can't ascertain the validity...

I always tend to work backwards... IOW ~ if the 'official' story is full of holes [or, too fast to publication, or too convenient], I'm a skeptic... 9/11 taught me that... So did:

- The USS Maine

- The assasination of Lincoln

- Ft. Sumter

- The Lusitania

- Pearl Harbor

- The Gulf of Tonkin

- The Kennedy Assasination

I apologize in advance for being such an idiot, so as to believe EVERYTHING I was taught in school...



Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:05 | 3073492 ZeroAvatar
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dink.......dink dink.....(pin drops)

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:41 | 3072928 Karl von Bahnhof
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Hello Tyler,

Only reference media is

Which seems too overstretched. Another theory is elite clandestine wars from an OBVIOUS source :)

True is usually in the middle- bloody culture mixed with psychodrugs and paranoia used by special service forces for their purpose.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:42 | 3072930 falak pema
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3072453 ...allegedly.

Does this help??

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:56 | 3072959 tip e. canoe
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c'mon falak, there's no concrete evidence in that article.   you or i could have wrote that article for shits & giggles.   this is DisInfo 101, more fodder to divert attention from the legitimate questions on the inconsistencies that surround the official "narrative".  shit like this is what gives tinfoil a bad rep, which is precisely the fucking point.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:59 | 3072976 SMG
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Seems like the LIBOR connection is disinfo and I fell for it. Sorry.  Guess that's why I don't have a site and you guys do.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:07 | 3073004 cougar_w
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Come on Tyler, it's Monday after another mass slaughter in America. Let us have our random cross-linked tinfoil infowar fun, okay? We only get this chance every few weeks or so you know.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:15 | 3073017 Flakmeister
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I have to hand it to you, I just cannot pull off this schtick off....

Lord knows I try....  

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:26 | 3073049 cougar_w
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Heh. You're just too nice to them is all. I'm probably one of the more wicked and naturally evil denizens of ZH.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:57 | 3073146 Wakanda
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Probably - but not certainly

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:25 | 3073214 cougar_w
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It's a good thing we are a small club, and largely powerless.

In another sense I like to think that what we're doing on ZH is sharpening our meat hooks for the run-down of the American empire. It's going to be sad and brutal. There will be a lot of crazy people doing crazy things, but also a lot of good people doing amazing things too. The hours spent here tweezing apart the elements of this trajedy will be useful when the incoherent mobs form in the square demanding blood from some hapless and innocent subgroup of their neighbors. We will have alrready wrestled with enough blind hate and dark paranoia that some of us will then be able to turn that situation around, finding more profitable labor for unfocused anger.

A small club setting sharp hooks and pulling down the false gods of failure. But we're not a bad bunch when you get to know us.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:52 | 3073097 Aurora Ex Machina
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Good man.

Cut yourself from the InfoWars disinfo camp, sensible ~ +$ to you.

Hint: if you think security services leave such obvious trails, you're an idiot. "Murdered ex-Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko worked as a paid agent for the British security service MI6, it was sensationally claimed today". [source] It took 4 years for that obvious piece of knowledge that we all knew to come live; and that was a message from Moscow to London, deliberately made obvious. (What's the rumour? That Putin loves poison to make a point, due to KGB background? Who would possibly poison a spy trying to get nuclear material out of Russian facilities with radioactive material? And not only that, they made sure that he voluntarily took the payload back to the UK [hint: the tea poisoning is a lie, just fluff])

BlackOps? 15-30 years. If you're programming people, you're really not giving those obvious links. Car accidents are far more common. Or, you know, what happened to that Banking whistle-blower. No, not that one hung from a bridge, the other one in the Caribbean. There's a few million mentally ill people on the streets or in institutions if you want to practise your zombie weapon psych tests.


Your mind is an incredible linkage machine; the trick is over-seeing and patrolling those linkages. Don't get sucked into the bollocks.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:59 | 3073148 francis_sawyer
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I guess I should apologize for ever thinking that WT7 fell down for any OTHER reason than a fire (which was caused by debris came cascading over from two other buildings that were struck by airplanes comandeered by boxcutter weilding ragheads who managed to not only slip by authority, but close down NORAD for a few hours in two of the most tightly guarded civil airspaces in the world & knock down 3 steel framed buildings in the same day [a feat that had not EVER happened to ANY steel framed building in history)...

Truthers ~ They sure do mess with your mind...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:24 | 3073205 Aurora Ex Machina
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No, but there's a difference:

What you suspect you merely keep in the mental folder of "probability"; what you can prove you keep in the mental folder of "ammunition", and you'd better learn encryption and USB drives and sharing that info if you get burnt (remember, even WikiLeaks got burnt when the 2nd in command got sold off to the MS red-headed vixen to his desires and he burnt all the data).

Are you that stupid you don't know the principle of "plausible deniability"?

Heck... I shouldn't tell you this, but whenever you see a black-eyed person without any color in their eyes but black (no whites) or find a couple of people (usually male & female) singing in a language you don't understand who will be very friendly... yes, you should probably skip out quick, unless they're there for you.


Well. If you're that aware, they can see you too. And that's only the cusp of the matter. The other ones are a little more weird.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:48 | 3073254 francis_sawyer
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All I fucking know about 'plausible deniability' is that it's the first & last line of defense in any caper perpetrated by the global elite...


You know how I know this?... EASY ~ Because If francis_sawyer was that rich & powerful, I'd probably have to pull the same fucking shit... Not because it's in my nature to do so, but if you're BORN INTO that crime syndicate you either go along with it or get KILLED for swimming against it...

Me?... Nobody gives a fuck about what I say (or have the power to pull off), so I can do whatever the fuck I want... It's the ONLY FREEDOM I enjoy (which is more freedom than the elite themselves actually have)...

So fuck them... Come & do it!... Put a contract on my ass... Rub me out... People like VAST-DOM & his vast empire of 'semitically correct' ball lickers & scrotum tasting society will drink a toast [because SURELY the world will be a better place after francis_sawyer is gone]...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:15 | 3073355 Aurora Ex Machina
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Here's a serious tip:

Let it go. Enjoy life, the small things, revel in the dawn. If you're where you think you are, then, no, you're not worth the contract. Take a small blade, look at the moon, cut your hand and claim neutrality under the Goddess.

The more important question is how important your connections to others are. Love them, love yourself, never love the inanimate objects that surround you. It's not hard.

Oh, and "lol". Someone is running around "junking" all my comments. Think I'm anything but amused? Nope. I find it odd that someone would be so hurt by my comments, they'd need to do that.



Walk away. Enjoy your life. There's not much left of it. If you can't influence the meta, then ignore it: only ever add your +information and +spirit, never anything else.


As I said... It's not rocket-science.



Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:21 | 3073375 francis_sawyer
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Is that supposed to be like, some kind of Zen bullshit?... Here's some advice:


If you can't influence [francis_sawyer], then ignore him: only ever add your +silence, never anything else...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:42 | 3073426 Aurora Ex Machina
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No, it's saving your life.

Rule #1: Lions, Tigers and Bears.


They exist, and they'll eat you up. If you're a small hamster, then make like a hamster, and play silly. Otherwise, they'll get a ferret to search you out and eat you.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:55 | 3073598 vast-dom
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thanks for invoking me, again. i guess taking a handle from a moronic movie character is fitting. francis the homophob hater of all and generally dumb shit. go play with the other trolls.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 03:02 | 3074039 MeelionDollerBogus
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"Heck... I shouldn't tell you this, but whenever you see a black-eyed person without any color in their eyes but black (no whites)"

pffft what could go wrong?


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 23:56 | 3073740 Cosimo de Medici
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I don't think you've created, but you did in some sense feed this monster.  We all suspected there were a lot of malleable, impressionable and maladjusted loons out there.  Some end in flames like this kid who carried out the slaughter, while others spend their days gobbling up---even creating---each new conspiracy to feed their inherent need for righteous indignation.  The internet---how funny that so many on this site lambast TV and the MSM, while virtually living on the internet---just made the degree of moonbatology somewhat more visible and quantifiable.  In a way, good fellow, you're kind of a Howard Carter.  You discovered something fascinating, but it might get you in the end.  Take care.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:20 | 3072861 Harbanger
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Unfortunately, a large part of the modern World has never tasted liberty, so Orwell's 1984 seems like a reasonable and safe place to live.  But as Benjamin Franklin said, Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:58 | 3072973 CPL
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What if I told you it's always been Orwell's world and we are merely seeing what happens in Orwell's world when the oil wells dry up, resources are unavailable and the scavengers dismantling the system of any copper scrap are the outcome.


Google copper theft camera systems.  The powers the be put them up, same day stolen, striped for copper and then more than likely sold right back to TPTB.  Since the power that be aren't replacing the systems.  Scavengers are starting to target hospitals now, rail lines, sewer covers, etc.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:05 | 3072992 MachoMan
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I'd tell you that orwell got it wrong (too specific) and huxley got it right...  and we're balls deep in the brave new world.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:15 | 3073018 Harbanger
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When the system fails in America, I see a return of the posse.  Criminals will be dealt with on the spot.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:22 | 3072871 icanhasbailout
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this ranks among the best articles I've ever seen on Zero Hedge, and the competition is pretty stiff

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:25 | 3072877 buzzsaw99
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+10^27 Absolutely!

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