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Mike Bloomberg Calls For Ban On Assault Weapons

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In the least unexpected news of the week, Mayor Mike, whose forays into central planning started with banning sugary sodas, and then proceeded to gas rationing, has just done what everyone expected him to do, and demand a ban on all assault weapons:


We eagerly await the imminent escalation: the "taxable inhalable oxygen for those making over $250,000 - it's only fair act" to be proposed by Mayor Mike and his central-planning enamored brethren in D.C. next.

From AP:

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and dozens of shooting survivors and victims' relatives are calling on Congress and President Barack Obama to tighten gun laws and enforcement.


The mayor was appearing at City Hall Monday with 34 people whose own lives or the lives of their relatives have been affected by gun violence around the country. They're sending videos to lawmakers telling their stories.


Bloomberg has long been an advocate for tougher national gun regulations. He has found himself at the forefront of a re-energized push for gun control since Friday's massacre at a Connecticut elementary school.


He says the carnage "demands immediate national action."


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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:44 | 3071754 fuu
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Don't you have some government sponsored research to do?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:47 | 3071782's picture

Increasing your carbon footprint again, I see. Why do you believe that your desire for a salty treat is more important than the destruction of our living and breathing Mother Earth?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:53 | 3071818 Flakmeister
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Don't you have some cherrypicking to do, what with the new IPCC draft available...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:56 | 3071837's picture

My cherries ripen in the first or second week of June. Those who look at nature realistically know this.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:21 | 3072630 Flakmeister
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Like these people:


1950–1959 -0.020 °C

1960–1969 ?0.014 °C

1970–1979 ?0.001 °C

1980–1989  0.176 °C

1990–1999  0.313 °C

2000–2009  0.513 °C

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:29 | 3072658's picture

The science is settled. Even the formerly pro-AGW crowd has come around to reality.


'I made a mistake': Gaia theory scientist James Lovelock admits he was 'alarmist' about the impact of climate change



  • British scientist admits he had 'extrapolated too far' in earlier book
  • Claims other environmental commentators such as Al Gore did the same




Scientist who said climate change sceptics had been proved wrong accused of hiding truth by colleague

Prof Judith Curry, who chairs the Department of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at America’s prestigious Georgia Institute of Technology, said that Prof Muller’s claim that he has proven global warming sceptics wrong was also a ‘huge mistake’, with no  scientific basis.



Prof Curry is a distinguished climate researcher with more than 30 years experience and the second named co-author of the BEST project’s four research papers.

‘This is nowhere near what the  climate models were predicting,’ Prof Curry said. ‘Whatever it is that’s going on here, it doesn’t look like it’s being dominated by CO2.’


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:58 | 3072753 Flakmeister
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Still peddling that bullshit...

Since when did James Lovelock become a climate scientist?  His opinion is marginally more relevant than Rush Limbaugh...

You cling to Curry like a drunk clings to a lamp post...

I agree the science is settled and Curry is on the wrong side...

PS Why do you never link a scientific study or a peer reviewed paper? I mean Curry has to have something that backs up what she says? The only thing I can find with her name is the BEST stuff which concludes we are warming and it is manmade... 

You gotta bring more to the table than newspaper clippings from a Rupert Murdoch rag....

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:15 | 3072831's picture


Since when did James Lovelock become a climate scientist?


There you go denying reality again.


A lifelong inventor, Lovelock has created and developed many scientific instruments, some of which were designed for NASA in its program of planetary exploration. It was while working as a consultant for NASA that Lovelock developed the Gaia Hypothesis, for which he is most widely known. He also claims to have invented the microwave oven.[6]

In early 1961, Lovelock was engaged by NASA to develop sensitive instruments for the analysis of extraterrestrial atmospheres and planetary surfaces. The Viking program, that visited Mars in the late 1970s, was motivated in part to determine whether Mars supported life, and many of the sensors and experiments that were ultimately deployed aimed to resolve this issue. During work on a precursor of this program, Lovelock became interested in the composition of the Martian atmosphere, reasoning that many life forms on Mars would be obliged to make use of it (and, thus, alter it). However, the atmosphere was found to be in a stable condition close to its chemical equilibrium, with very little oxygen, methane, or hydrogen, but with an overwhelming abundance of carbon dioxide. To Lovelock, the stark contrast between the Martian atmosphere and chemically dynamic mixture of that of our Earth's biosphere was strongly indicative of the absence of life on the planet.[7] However, when they were finally launched to Mars, the Viking probes still searched (unsuccessfully) for extant life there.

Lovelock invented the electron capture detector, which ultimately assisted in discoveries about the persistence of CFCs and their role in stratospheric ozone depletion.[8][9][10] After studying the operation of the Earth's sulfur cycle,[11] Lovelock and his colleagues developed the CLAW hypothesis as a possible example of biological control of the Earth's climate.[12]

Lovelock was elected a Fellow of the Royal Society in 1974. He served as the president of the Marine Biological Association (MBA) from 1986 to 1990, and has been an Honorary Visiting Fellow of Green Templeton College, Oxford (formerly Green College, Oxford) since 1994. He has been awarded a number of prestigious prizes including the Tswett Medal (1975), an American Chemical Society chromatography award (1980), the World Meteorological Organization Norbert Gerbier Prize (1988), the Dr A.H. Heineken Prize for the Environment (1990) and the Royal Geographical Society Discovery Lifetime award (2001). In 2006 he received the Wollaston Medal, the Geological Society's highest Award, whose previous recipients include Charles Darwin [4]. He became a Commander of the British Empire CBE in 1990, and a member of the Companions of Honour in 2003.

As an independent scientist, inventor, and author, Lovelock worked out of a barn-turned-laboratory he called his "experimental station" located in a wooded valley on the Devon/Cornwall border in the south-west of England.[13]

On 8 May 2012, he appeared on the Radio Four series "The Life Scientific", talking to Jim al-Khalili about the Gaia hypothesis. On the programme, he mentioned how he had a claim for inventing the microwave oven. He also mentioned how his ideas had been received by various people, including Jonathan Porritt.



And, Flak, it was only last month that you called James Lovelock the closest thing to a white wizard of the modern age.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:37 | 3072918 Flakmeister
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What exactly is your point? Do you have one? Or is this just another evasion of the question?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:57 | 3072972's picture

Dude, you asked what made Lovelock a climate scientist and I cited his many inventions, studies and awards. That was the answer. I don't know how you could have missed it.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:47 | 3073118 Flakmeister
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And I asked you about Curry and all I got was crickets...

And still you obfuscate...

When James Lovelock retracts a peer reviewed published paper on his predictions for the climate in ~2100, I will take note and not until then...

Could you provide me a list of papers by Judith Curry that support her position? Until then don't waste our time with newspaper clippings...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:00 | 3073135's picture

When James Lovelock retracts a peer reviewed published paper on his predictions for the climate in ~2100, I will take note and not until then...



The man publishes an op-ed for maximum public exposure in admission of his errors and you continue to deny reality.



a list of papers by Judith Curry




Liu, JP, JA Curry, et al.: 2011: Evaluation of satellite sea surface temperature in the Southern Hemisphere using Chinese Antarctic research cruise observations. Int. J. Rem. Sens, 32, 171-184.

Liu, J., J. A. Curry, C. A. Clayson, and M. A. Bourassa, 2011: High-resolution satellite surface latent heat fluxes in North Atlantic hurricanes. Mon. Wea. Rev. accepted

Curry, JA and PJ Webster, 2011: Climate Science and the Uncertainty Monster. Bull. Amer. Meteorol. Soc., in revision.

Curry, JA, 2011: Reasoning about climate uncertainty. Clim. Change, submitted.

Liu, JP and JA Curry, 2010: Accelerated warming of the Southern Ocean and its impacts on the hydrological cycle and sea ice. Proc. Nat. Acad. Sci., 107, 34, 14987-14992.

Romanou, A., G. Tseloudis, CS Zerefos, JA Curry, et al.: 2010: Evaporation-precipitation variability over the Mediterranean and the Black Seas from satellite and reanalysis estimates. J. Climate, 23, 5268-5287.

Belanger, JI, JA Curry, PJ Webster, 2010: Predictability of North Atlantic tropical cyclone activity on intraseasonal time scales. Mon. Weather. Rev., 128, 4362-4374.

Webster, PJ, J. Jian, TM Hopson, . . . JA Curry, et al., 2010: Extended-range probabilistic forecasts of Ganges and Brahmaputra floods in Bangladesh. Bull. Amer. Meteorol. Soc., 91, 1493l-U121.

Khvorostyanov, VI and JA Curry, 2009: Critical humidities of homogeneous and heterogeneous ice nucleation: inferences from extended classical nucleation theory. J. Geophys. Res., 114, D04207.

Kim, HM, PJ Webster, JA Curry, 2009: Impact of shifting patterns of Pacific Ocean Warming on North Atlantic tropical cyclones. Science, 325, 77-80.

Khvorostyanov, VI, JA Curry, 2009: Parameterization of cloud drop activation based on analytical asymptotic solutions to the supersaturation equation. J. Atmos. Sci., 66, 1905-1925.

Khvorostyanov, VI, JA Curry, 2009: Comment on “Comparisons with analytical solutions from Khvorostyanov and Curry (2007) on the critical droplet radii and supersaturations of CCN with insoluble fractions” by Kokkola et al. (2008). Atmos. Chem. Phys., 9, 6033-6039.

Belanger, JI, JA Curry, CD Hoyos, 2009: Variability in tornado frequency associated with U.S. landfalling tropical cyclones. Geophys. Res. Lett., 36, L17805.

Agudelo, P.A., C. D. Hoyos, P. J. Webster, J. A. Curry, 2008: Prediction skill of intraseasonal variability of an operational model in a serial extended forecast experiment. Climate Dynamics, 32, 855-872.

Morrison, H., J.O. Pinto, J.A. Curry, and G.M. McFarquhar, 2008: Sensitivity of modeled arctic mixed-phase stratocumulus to cloud condensation and ice nuclei over regionally varying surface conditions. J. Geophys. Res., 113, D5, D05203. (pdf)

Inoue, J., J.A. Curry, J.A. Maslanik, 2008: Application of Aerosondes to melt-pond observations over Arctic Sea ice. J. Atmos. Oceanic Tech., 25 (2): 327-334. (pdf)

Wyser, K., C.G. Jones, P. Du, E. Girard, U. Willen, J. Cassano, J.H. Christensen, J.A. Curry, K. Dethloff, J.E. Haugen, D. Jacob, M. Koltzow, R. Laprise, A. Lynch, S. Pfeifer, A. Rinke, M. Serreze, M.J. Shaw, M. Tjernstrom, M. Zagar, 2008: An evaluation of Arctic cloud and radiation processes during the SHEBA year: simulation results from eight Arctic regional climate models. Clim. Dyn., 30 (2-3): 203-223. (pdf)

Khvorostyanov, Vitaly I., Curry, Judith A., 2008: Analytical Solutions to the Stochastic Kinetic Equation for Liquid and Ice Particle Size Spectra. Part I: Small-size fraction. J. Atmos. Sci., forthcoming. (pdf)

Khvorostyanov, Vitaly I., Curry, Judith A., 2008: Analytical Solutions to the Stochastic Kinetic Equation for Liquid and Ice Particle Size Spectra. Part II: Large-Size Fraction in Precipitating Clouds. J. Atmos. Sci., forthcoming. (pdf)

Khvorostyanov, Vitaly I., Curry, Judith A., 2008: Kinetics of Cloud Drop Formation and Its Parameterization for Cloud and Climate Models. J. Atmos. Sci., forthcoming. (pdf)

Khvorostyanov, Vitaly I., Curry, Judith A., 2007: Refinements to the Köhler's theory of aerosol equilibrium radii, size spectra, and droplet activation: Effects of humidity and insoluble fraction. J. Geophys. Res., Vol. 112, No. D5, D05206. (08 March 2007). (pdf)

Liu, J.P., J.A. Curry, Y.J. Dai, et al., 2007: Causes of the northern high-latitude land surface winter climate change. Geophys. Res. Lett., 34 (14): Art. No. L14702. (pdf)

Agudelo, P.A., J.A. Curry, C.D. Hoyos, P.J. Webster, 2006: Transition between suppressed and active phases of intraseasonal oscillations in the Indo-Pacific warm pool. J. Climate, 19, 5515-5530. (pdf)

Curry, J.A., P.J. Webster and G.J. Holland, 2006: Mixing Politics and Science in Testing the Hypothesis That Greenhouse Warming Is Causing a Global Increase in Hurricane Intensity. Bull. Amer. Met. Soc., 87 (8), 1025-1037. (pdf)

Hoyos C.D., P.A. Agudelo, P.J. Webster, and J.A. Curry, 2006: Deconvolution of the factors contributing to the increase in global hurricane intensity, Science, 312 (5770), 94-97. (pdf)

Inoue, J., J. Liu and J.A. Curry, 2006: Intercomparison of arctic regional climate models: Modeling clouds and radiation for SHEBA in May 1998. J. Climate, 19 (17): 4167-4178. (pdf)

Khvorostyanov, V.I. and J.A. Curry, 2006: Aerosol size spectra and CCN activity spectra: Reconciling the lognormal, algebraic, and power laws . J. Geophys. Res., 111 (D12): Art. No. D12202. (pdf)

Khvorostyanov, V.I., H. Morrison, J.A Curry, P. Lawson, D. Baumgardner, 2006: High supersaturation and modes of ice nucleation in thin tropopause cirrus: Simulation of the 13 July 2002 CRYSTAL case. J. Geophys. Res., 111 (D2): Art No. D0220. (pdf)

Liu, J.P. and J.A. Curry, 2006: Variability of the tropical and subtropical ocean surface latent heat flux during 1989-2000. Geophys. Res. Lett., 33(5): Art. No. L05706. (pdf)

Rinke, A., K. Dethloff, J.J. Cassano, J.H. Christensen, J.A. Curry, P. Du, E. Girard, J.E. Haugen, D. Jacob, C.G. Jones, M. Koltzow, R. Laprise, A.H. Lynch, S. Pfeifer, M.C. Serreze, M.J. Shaw, M. Tjernstrom, K. Wyser, M. Zagar, 2006: Evaluation of an ensemble of Arctic regional climate models: spatiotemporal fields during the SHEBA year. Climate Dyn., 26 (5): 459-472. (pdf)

Webster P.J., J.A. Curry, J. Liu, and G. J. Holland, 2006: Response to comment on "Changes in tropical cyclone number, duration, and intensity in a warming environment", Science, 311 (5768), 1713c. (pdf)

Inoue, J., B. Kosovic and J.A. Curry, 2005: Evolution of a storm-driven boundary layer in the Arctic. Bound. Layer Meteorol., 117 (2): 213-230. (pdf)

Khvorostyanov, V.I. and J.A. Curry, 2005: The theory of ice nucleation by heterogeneous freezing of deliquescent mixed CCN. Part II: Parcel model simulation. J. Atmos. Sci., 62, 261-284. (pdf)

Khvorostyanov, V.I., J.A Curry, 2005: Fall velocities of hydrometeors in the atmosphere: Refinements to a continuous analytical power law. J. Atmos. Sci., 62 (12):4343-4357. (pdf)

Lui, J. , J.A. Curry, W.B. Rossow, J.R. Key, X. Wang, 2005: Comparison of surface radiative flux data sets over the Arctic Ocean. J. Geophys. Res., 110, Art No. C02015. (pdf)

Mirocha, J.D., B. Kosovic, and J.A. Curry, 2005: Vertical heat transfer in the lower atmosphere over the Arctic Ocean during clear sky periods. Bound. Layer Meteorol., 117 (1): 37-71. (pdf)

Morrison, H., J.A. Curry, V.I. Khvorostyanov, 2005: A new double-moment microphysics parameterization for application in cloud and climate models. Part 1: Description. J. Atmos. Sci., 62 (6): 1665-1677. (pdf)

Morrison, H. J.A. Curry, M. Shupe, P. Zuidema, 2005: A new double-moment microphysics parameterization for application in cloud and climate models. Part II: Single-column modeling of arctic clouds. J. Atmos. Sci., 62 (6): 1678-1693. (pdf)

Morrison, H., M. Shupe, J.O. Pinto, J.A. Curry, 2005: Possible roles of ice nucleation mode and ice nuclei depletion in the extended lifetime of arctic mixed phase clouds. Geophys. Res. Lett., 32 (18): Art. No. L18801. (pdf)

Webster, P.J., G. J. Holland, J. A. Curry, and H.-R. Chang, 2005: Changes in Tropical Cyclone Number, Duration, and Intensity in a Warming Environment, Science, 309 (5742), 1844-1846. (pdf)

Agudelo, P.A. and J.A. Curry, 2004: Analysis of spatial distribution in tropospheric temperature trends. Geophys. Res. Lett., 31, Art. No. L222207. (pdf)

J. A. Curry, Bentamy A., Bourassa M. A.,Bourras D.,Bradley E. F.,Brunke M., Castro S. ,Chou S. H.,Clayson C. A.,Emery W. J. ,Eymard L., Fairall C. W. , Kubota M., Lin B., Perrie W. , Reeder R. A., Renfrew I. A., Rossow W. B., Schulz J., Smith S. R., Webster P. J. , Wick G. A. , and Zeng X., 2004: SEAFLUX. Bull. Amer. Met. Soc., 85 (3), 409–424. (pdf)

Curry, J.A., J.M. Maslanik, G.J. Holland, and J.O. Pinto, 2004: Applications of Aerosondes in the Arctic. Bull. Amer. Meteorol. Soc., 85, 1855-1861. (pdf)

Inoue, J. and J.A. Curry, 2004: Application of Aerosondes to high-resolution observations of sea surface temperature over Barrow Canyon. Geophys. Res. Lett., 31, Art. No. L14312. (pdf)

Khvorostyanov, V.I. and J.A. Curry, 2004: On the Thermodynamic Theory of Freezing and Melting of Water and its Solutions: J. Phys. Chem. A, 108, 11073-11085. (pdf)

Khvorostyanov, V.I. and J.A. Curry, 2004: Toward the theory of heterogeneous ice nucleation. Part I: Critical radius, energy and nucleation rate. J. Atmos. Sci., 61, 2676-2691. (pdf)

Liu, J.P., J.A. Curry and Y.Y. Hu, 2004: Recent Arctic sea ice variability: connections to the Arctic Oscillation and the ENSO. Geophys. Res. Lett., 31, L09211. (pdf)

Liu, J.P., J.A. Curry, and D.G. Martinson, 2004: Interpretation of recent Antarctic sea ice variability. Geophys. Res. Lett., 31, Art. No. L02205. (pdf)

Lynch, A.H., J.A. Curry, R.D. Brunner, J.A. Maslanik, 2004: Towards an integrated assessment of the impacts of extreme wind events on Barrow, Alaska. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc, 85, 209-221. (pdf)

Brunke, M.A., C.W. Fairall, X. Zeng, L. Eymard, J. Curry, 2003: Which bulk aerodynamic algorithms are least problematic in computing ocean surface turbulent fluxes? J. Clim., 16 (4): 619-635. (pdf)

Haggerty, J.A., J.A. Maslanik, and J.A. Curry, 2002: Heterogeneity of sea ice surface temperature at SHEBA from aircraft measurements. J. Geophys. Res-Oceans, 108 (C10): Art. No. 8052, doi:10.1029/2000JC000560. (pdf)

Khvorostyanov, V.I., J.A. Curry, I. Gultepe, 2003: A springtime cloud over the Beaufort Sea polynya: Three-dimensional simulation with explicit spectral microphysics and comparison with observations. J. Geophys. Res., 108, art. no. 4296. (pdf)

Liu, G. and J.A. Curry, 2003: Observation and Interpretation of Microwave Cloud Signatures over the Arctic Ocean during Winter. J. Appl. Met., 42, 51-64. (pdf)

Liu, G., H. Shao, J.A. Coakley, J.A. Curry, et al., 2003: Retrieval of Cloud Droplet Size from Visible and Microwave Radiometric Measurements during INDOEX: Implication to Aerosols1 Indirect Radiative Effect. J. Geophys. Res., 108 (D1): art. no. 4006. (pdf)

Morrison, H., M. Shupe, J.A. Curry, 2003: Modeling clouds observed at SHEBA using a bulk microphysics parameterization implemented into a single-column model. J. Geophys. Res., (D8), 4255, doi:10.1029/2002JD002229. (pdf)

Pinto, J.O., A. Alam., J.A. Maslanik, and J.A. Curry, 2003: Characteristics and atmospheric footprint of springtime leads at SHEBA. J. Geophys. Res., 108, art no 8051. (pdf)

Randall, D., J.A. Curry, et al., 2003: Confronting Models with Data: The GEWEX Cloud System Study. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc., 84, 455-469. (pdf)

Curry, J.A. and A.H. Lynch, 2002: Comparing Arctic Regional Climate Models. EOS, Trans. Amer. Geophys. Union, 83, p 87.

Curry, J.A., J.L. Schramm, A. Alam, R. Reeder, T.E. Arbetter, P. Guest, 2002: Evaluation of data sets used to force sea ice models in the Arctic Ocean. J. Geophys Res., 107, art. no 3102. (pdf)

Haggerty, J.A., J.A. Curry, and G. Liu, 2002: The potential for estimating cloud liquid water path over sea ice from airborne passive microwave measurements. J. Geophys. Res., 107, (D1), Art. no. 4007. (pdf)

Khvorostyanov, V.I. and J.A. Curry, 2002: Terminal Velocities of Droplets and Crystals: Power Laws with Continuous Parameters Over the Size Spectrum. J. Atmos. Sci., 59. 1872-1884. (pdf)

Tschudi, M., J.A. Curry, and J. Maslanik, 2002: Characterization of springtime leads in the Arctic Ocean from airborne observations during FIRE/SHEBA. J. Geophys. Res-Oceans., 107 (C10): Art No. 8034. (pdf)

Uttal, T., Curry, J.A., and 26 others, 2002: Surface Heat Budget of the Arctic Ocean. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc., 83, 255-275. (pdf)

Benner, T , J.A. Curry, and J.O. Pinto, 2001: Radiative transfer in the summertime Arctic. J. Geophys. Res., 106, 15173-15184. (pdf)

Curry, J.A., 2001: Introduction to special section: FIRE Arctic Clouds Experiment. J. Geophys. Res., 106, 14,985-14,989. (pdf)

Curry, J.A., J.L. Schramm, D. Perovich, and J.O. Pinto, 2001: Application of SHEBA/FIRE data to evaluation of sea ice surface albedo parameterizations. J. Geophys. Res., 106, 15345-15356. (pdf)

Girard, E. and J.A. Curry, 2001: Simulation of arctic low-level clouds observed during the FIRE Arctic Clouds Experiment using a new bulk microphysics scheme. J. Geophys. Res., 106, 15139-15154. (pdf)

Haggerty, J.A., and J.A. Curry, 2001: Variability of sea ice emissivity estimated from airborne passive microwave measurements during FIRE SHEBA. J. Geophys. Res., 106, 15265-15278. (pdf)

Holland, G.H., P.J. Webster, J. A. Curry, et al., 2001: The Aerosonde robotic aircraft: A new paradigm for environmental observations. Bull. Amer. Meteorol. Soc., 82(5), 889-991. (pdf)

Khvorostyanov, V. I., J. A. Curry, J. O. Pinto, M. Shupe, B. A. Baker, K. Sassen, 2001: Modeling with explicit spectral water and ice microphysics of a two-layer cloud system of altostratus and cirrus observed during the FIRE Arctic Clouds Experiment. J. Geophys. Res., 106(D14), 15099-15112, 10.1029/2000JD900521. (pdf)

Lin, B., P. Minnis, A. Fan, J.A. Curry, et al., 2001: Comparison of cloud liquid water paths derived from in situ and microwave radiometer data taken during the SHEBA/FIREACE. Geophys. Res. Lett., 28, 975-978. (pdf)

Liu, G., J.A. Curry, J.A. Haggerty, and Y. Fu, 2001: Retrieval and Characterization of Cloud Liquid Water Path Using Airborne Passive Microwave Data during INDOEX. J. Geophys. Res., 106, 28,719-28,730. (pdf)

Pinto, J.O., J.A. Curry, and J. Intrieri, 2001: Cloud-aerosol interactions during autumn over the Beaufort Sea. J. Geophys. Res., 106, 15077-15098. (pdf)

Tschudi, M., J.A. Curry, and J.M. Maslanik, 2001: Airborne observations of summertime surface features and their effect on surface albedo during SHEBA. J. Geophys. Res., 106, 15335-15344. (pdf)

Curry, J.A., P. Hobbs, M. King, D. Randall, P. Minnis, et al.. 2000: FIRE Arctic Clouds Experiment. Bull. Amer. Meteorol. Soc., 81, 5-30. (pdf)

Jiang, H. W.R. Cotton, J.O. Pinto, J.A. Curry, and M.J. Weissbluth, 2000: Sensitivity of mixed-phase Arctic stratocumulus to ice forming nuclei and large-scale heat and moisture advection. J. Atmos. Sci., 57, 2105-2117. (pdf)

Khvorostyanov, V.I. and J.A. Curry, 2000: A New Theory of Heterogeneous Ice Nucleation for Application in Cloud and Climate Models. Geophys. Res. Lett., 27 , 4081-4084 (pdf).

Kosovic, B., and J.A. Curry, 2000: A quasi steady state of a stable stratified atmospheric boundary layer: a large-eddy simulation study. J. Atmos. Sci., 57, 1052-1068. (pdf)

Liu, G. and J.A. Curry, 2000: Determination of ice water path and mass median particle size using multichannel microwave measurements. J. Appl. Meteor., 39, 1318-1329. (pdf)

Liu, G. and J.A. Curry, 2000: Determination of ice water path and mass median particle size using multichannel microwave measurements. J. Appl. Meteor., 39, 1318-1329. (pdf)

Arbetter, T.E., J.A. Curry, and J.A. Maslanik, 1999: On the effects of rheology and ice thickness distribution in a dynamic-thermodynamic sea ice model. J. Phys. Oceanog., 29, 2656-2670 (pdf)

Curry, J. A., C. A. Clayson, W. B. Rossow, R. Reeder, Y.C. Zhang, P. J. Webster, G. Liu, and R. S. Sheu, 1999: High-resolution satellite-derived dataset of the surface fluxes of heat, freshwater and momentum for the TOGA COARE IOP. Bull. Amer. Meteorol. Soc., 80, 2059-2080. (pdf)

Holland, M.M. and J.A. Curry, 1999: The role of different physical process in determining the interdecadal variability of Arctic sea ice. J. Climate, 12, 3319-3330. (pdf)

Khvorostyanov, V.I., and J.A. Curry, 1999: A simple analytical model of aerosol properties with account for hygroscopic growth. Part I: Equilibrium size spectra and CCN activity spectra. J. Geophys. Res., 104, 2163-2174. (pdf)

Khvorostyanov, V.I., and J.A. Curry, 1999: A simple analytical model of aerosol properties with account for hygroscopic growth. Part II: Scattering and absorption coefficients. J. Geophys. Res., 104, 2175-2184. (pdf)

Khvorostyanov, V.I. and J.A. Curry, 1999: Theory of Stochastic Condensation in Clouds. Part I: A General Kinetic Equation. J. Atmos. Sci, 56, 3985-3996. (pdf)

Khvorostyanov, V.I. and J.A. Curry, 1999: Theory of Stochastic Condensation in Clouds. Part II: Analytical Solutions of the Gamma-Distribution Type. J. Atmos. Sci, 56, 3997-4013. (pdf)

Liu, G. and J.A. Curry, 1999: Tropical ice water amount and its relations to other atmospheric hydrological parameters as inferred from satellite data J. Appl. Meteor., 38, 1182-1194. (pdf)

Perovich, D. K., E.L. Andreas, J.A. Curry, et al., 1999: Year on ice gives climate insights. EOS, 80, 481.

Pinto, J.O., J.A. Curry, and A.H. Lynch, 1999: Modeling clouds and radiation for the November 1997 period of SHEBA using a column climate model. J. Geophys. Res., 104, 6661-6678. (pdf)

Stamnes, K., Ellingson, R.G., J.A. Curry, J.E. Walsh, and B. D. Zak, 1999: Review of science issues and deployment strategies for the North Slope of Alaska/Adjacent Arctic Ocean (NSA/AAO) ARM site. J. Climate, 12, 46-63. (pdf)

Alam, A. and J.A. Curry, 1998: Evolution of new ice and turbulent fluxes from freezing Arctic leads. J. Geophys. Res., 103, 15,783-15,802. (pdf)

Benner, T.C. and J.A. Curry, 1998: Characteristics of small tropical cumulus clouds and their impact on the environment. J. Geophys. Res., 103, 28,753-28,768. (pdf)

Considine, G. and J.A. Curry, 1998: Role of entrainment and droplet sedimentation on the microphysical structure in stratus and stratocumulus clouds. Quart. J. Roy. Meteorol. Soc., 24, 123-150.

Liu, G. and J.A. Curry, 1998: Remote sensing of ice water characteristics in tropical clouds using aircraft microwave measurements. J. Appl. Meteor., 37, 337-355. (pdf)

Liu, G. and J .A. Curry, 1998: An investigation of the relationship between emission and scattering signals in SSM/I data. J . Atmos. Sci., 55, 1628-1643. (pdf)

Randall, D., J. A. Curry, et al., 1998: Outlook for Large-Scale Modelling of Atmosphere Ice-Ocean Interactions in the Arctic. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc., 70, 197-219. (pdf)

Alam, A. and J.A. Curry, 1997: Determination of surface turbulent fluxes over leads in arctic sea ice. J. Geophys. Res., 102, 3331-3344. (pdf)

Arbetter, T., J.A. Curry, M.M. Holland, and J. M. Maslanik, 1997: Response of sea ice models to perturbations in surface heat flux. Ann. Glaciol., 25, 193-197.

Considine, G., J.A. Curry, and B.A. Wielicki, 1997: Modeling cloud fraction and horizontal variability in boundary layer clouds. J. Geophys. Res., 102, 13,517 - 13,525 (pdf)

Curry, J.A., J.O. Pinto, T. Benner, and M. Tschudi, 1997: Evolution of the cloudy boundary layer during the autumnal freezing of the Beaufort Sea. J. Geophys. Res., 102, 13851-13860. (pdf)

Duane, G. and J.A. Curry, 1997: Entropy of a convecting water-air system and the interpretation of cloud morphogenesis. Quart. J. Roy. Meteorol. Soc., 123, 605-629.

Holland, M., J.A. Curry, and J.L. Schramm, 1997: Modeling the thermodynamics of a distribution of sea ice thicknesses. Part II: Ice/ocean interactions. J. Geophys. Res., 102, 23093-23108. (pdf)

Holland, M.M., J.L. Schramm, and J.A. Curry, 1997: Thermodynamic feedback processes in a single-column sea ice/ocean model. Ann. Glaciol., 25, 327-332.

Liu, G. and J.A. Curry, 1997: Precipitation characteristics in the GIN Seas determined using satellite microwave data. J. Geophys. Res., 102, 13987-13998. (pdf)

Pinto, J.O. and J.A. Curry, 1997: Role of radiative transfer in the modeled mesoscale development of summertime arctic stratus. J. Geophys. Res., 102, 13,861-13,872. (pdf)

Pinto, J.O., J.A. Curry, and C.W. Fairall, 1997: Radiative characteristics of the Arctic atmosphere during spring as inferred from ground-based measurements. J. Geophys. Res., 102, 6941-6952. (pdf)

Schramm, J.L., M.M. Holland, and J.A. Curry, 1997: Applications of a single-column ice/ocean model understanding the mass balance of sea ice and snow in the Central Arctic. Ann. Glaciol., 25, 287-291.

Schramm, J.L., M. Holland, J.A. Curry, and E.E. Ebert, 1997: Modeling the thermodynamics of a distribution of sea ice thicknesses. Part I: Sensitivity to ice thickness resolution. J. Geophys. Res., 102, 23079-23092. (pdf)

Sheu, R.-S., J.A. Curry, and G. Liu, 1997: Vertical Stratification of Tropical Cloud Properties as Determined from Satellite. J. Geophys. Res., 102, 4231-4246. (pdf)

Tschudi, M., J.A. Curry, and J.M. Maslanik, 1997: Determination of areal surface feature coverage in the Beaufort Sea using aircraft video data. Ann. Glaciol., 25, 434-438.

Clayson, C.A. and J.A. Curry, 1996: Determination of surface turbulent fluxes for TOGA COARE: Comparison of satellite retrievals and in situ measurements. J. Geophys. Res., 101, 28,503-28,513. (pdf)

Clayson, C.A., C.W. Fairall, and J.A. Curry, 1996: Evaluation of turbulent fluxes at the ocean surface using surface renewal theory. J. Geophys. Res., 101, 28,515-28,528. (pdf)

Considine, G. and J.A. Curry, 1996: A statistical model of drop size spectra for stratocumulus clouds. Quart. J. Roy. Meteor. Soc., 122, 611-634.

Curry, J.A., D. Randall, and W.B. Rossow, and J.L. Schramm, 1996: Overview of arctic cloud and radiation characteristics. J. Clim., 9, 1731-1764. (pdf)

Liu, G. and J.A. Curry, 1996: Large-scale cloud features during winter in the north Atlantic Ocean determined from SSM/I and SSM/T2 observations. J. Geophys. Res., 101, 7019-7032. (pdf)

Sheu, R.-S., J. A. Curry, and G. Liu, 1996: Satellite retrieval of tropical rainfall using ISCCP analyses and microwave measurements. J. Geophys. Res., 101, 21291-21301. (pdf)

Webster, P. J., C. A. Clayson and J. A. Curry, 1996: Clouds, radiation and the diurnal cycle of sea surface temperature in the tropical western Pacific Ocean. J. Clim., 9, 1712-1730. (pdf)

Alam, A. and J.A. Curry, 1995: Lead-induced atmospheric circulations. J. Geophys. Res., 100, 4643-4652. (pdf)

Curry, J.A., 1995: Interactions Among Aerosols, Clouds and Climate of the Arctic Ocean.The Science of the Total Environment, 160/161, 777-791. (pdf)

Curry, J.A., J. Schramm and E. E. Ebert, 1995: On the sea ice albedo climate feedback mechanism. J. Climate, 8, 240-247. (pdf)

Curry, J.A., J.L. Schramm, MC. Serreze, and E.E. Ebert, 1995: Water vapor feedback over the Arctic Ocean. J. Geophys. Res., 100, 14,223-14,229. (pdf)

Ebert, E.E., J.L. Schramm, and J.A. Curry, 1995: Disposition of solar radiation in sea ice and the upper ocean. J. Geophys. Res., 100, 15,965-15,976. (pdf)

Liu, G., J.A. Curry, and C.A. Clayson, 1995: Study of tropical cyclogenesis using satellite data. Meteor. Atmos. Phys., 56, 111-123.

Liu, G., J.A. Curry, and R.S. Sheu, 1995: Classification of clouds over the western equatorial Pacific Ocean using combined infrared and microwave satellite data. J. Geophys. Res., 100, 13,811-13,826. (pdf)

McInnes, K.L. and J.A. Curry, 1995: Modelling the mean and turbulent structure of the summertime Arctic cloudy boundary layer. Bound. Lay. Meteor., 73, 125-143.

Pinto, J.O., J.A. Curry and K.L. McInnes, 1995: Atmospheric convective plumes emanating from leads 1. Thermodynamic structure. J. Geophys. Res., 100, 4621-4632. (pdf)

Pinto, J.O. and J.A. Curry, 1995: Atmospheric convective plumes emanating from leads 2. Microphysical and radiative processes. J. Geophys. Res., 100, 4633- 642. (pdf)

Curry, J.A. et al., 1994: New Program to Research Issues of Global Climate in the Arctic. EOS, 75, 249-252.

Liu, G., J.A. Curry and M. Weadon, 1994: Atmospheric water balance in Typhoon Nina as determined from SSM/I satellite data. Meteor. Atmos. Phys. 54, 141-156.

Curry, J.A. and L.F. Radke, 1993: Possible role of ice crystals in ozone destructionof the lower Arctic atmosphere. Atmos. Environ., 27, 2873-2879.

Curry, J.A., J. Schramm and E.E. Ebert, 1993: Impact of clouds on the surface radiation budget of the Arctic Ocean. Meteor. and Atmos. Phys, 57, 197-217.

Ebert, E. and J.A. Curry, 1993: An intermediate one-dimensional thermodynamic sea ice model for investigating ice-atmosphere interactions. J. Geophys. Res., 98, 10085-10109.

Liu, G. and J.A. Curry, 1993: Determination of characteristics of cloud liquid water from satellite microwave measurements. J. Geophys. Res., 98, 5069-5092.

Tan, Y.C. and J.A. Curry, 1993: A diagnostic study of the evolution of an intense North American anticyclone during winter 1989. Mon. Wea. Rev., 121, 961-975. (pdf)

Wilson, L.D., J.A. Curry, and T.P. Ackerman, 1993: On the satellite retrieval of lower tropospheric ice crystal clouds in the polar regions. J. Climate, 6, 1467-1472. (pdf)

Curry, J.A. and E.E. Ebert, 1992: Annual cycle of radiative fluxes over the Arctic ocean: Sensitivity to cloud optical properties. J. Climate, 5, 1267-1280. (pdf)

Curry, J.A. and G. Liu, 1992: Assessment of aircraft icing potential using satellite data. J. Appl. Meteor., 31, 605-621. (pdf)

Ebert, E.E. and J.A. Curry, 1992: A parameterization of cirrus cloud optical properties for climate models. J. Geophys. Res., 97, 3831-3836.

Liu, G. and J.A. Curry, 1992: Retrieval of precipitation from satellite microwave measure-ments using both emission and scattering. J. Geophys. Res., 97, 9959-9974.

Sheu, R-.S. and J.A. Curry, 1992: Interactions between North Atlantic clouds and the large- scale environment. Mon. Wea. Rev.,120, 261-278. (pdf)

Meyer, F.G., J.A. Curry, C.A. Brock and L.F. Radke, 1991: Springtime visibility in the Arctic. J. Appl. Meteor., 30, 342-357. (pdf)

Curry, J.A. and E.E. Ebert, 1990: Sensitivity of the thickness of Arctic sea ice to the optical properties of clouds. Ann. Glac., 14, 43-46.

Curry, J.A., C.D. Ardeel, and L. Tian, 1990: Liquid water content and precipitation characteristics of stratiform clouds as inferred from satellite microwave measurements. J. Geophys. Res., 95, 16659-16671.

Curry, J.A., F.G. Meyer, L.F. Radke, C.A. Brock, and E.E. Ebert, 1990: The occurrence and characteristics of lower tropospheric ice crystals in the Arctic. Int. J. Climatol., 10, 749-764.

Curry, J.A. and C.-H. Moeng, 1989: Role of cloud-top radiative cooling in the production of turbulence kinetic energy. In IRS'88: Current Problems in Atmospheric Radiation, J. Lenoble and J.F. Geleyn (eds). A. Deepak Publ., 60-63.

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Tian, L. and J.A. Curry, 1989: Cloud overlap statistics. J. Geophys. Res., 94, 9925-9935.

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Herman, G.F. and J.A. Curry, 1984: Observational and theoretical studies of solar radiation in Arctic stratus clouds. J. Clim. Appl. Met., 23, 5-24.

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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:35 | 3073240 Flakmeister
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Very good...

Please point out any paper that disputes the concensus as put forth in the IPCC vis a vis AGW...

I dare you.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:50 | 3073255's picture

Those papers have not yet been written. Curry had been a long time proponent of AGW, after all. Curry's dissension based on the newly collected BEST data is breaking news. That's why you'll have to read Curry's quotes in the newspapers. I dare ya.

Also see this: Hoyos C.D., P.A. Agudelo, P.J. Webster, and J.A. Curry, 2006: Deconvolution of the factors contributing to the increase in global hurricane intensity, Science, 312 (5770), 94-97. [PDF]


Dr. Curry is in full agreement with the man you call a modern white wizard, James Lovelock, that warming has plateaued, that warming is not ultimately dependent on CO2 and that AGW proponents have been alarmist about their predictions. Why be the last denier? The science is settled.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:39 | 3073493 Flakmeister
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Grima, you can twist things remarkably to suit your purposes....

As I thought, nary a peep about Curry saying AGW is wrong, or a concrete prediction about the future trends...

Why wouldn't she retract his BEST involvement? Any scientist with integrity would retract themselves from a result that they disavow....

Can't you tell when you are being duped?

Anyway you can have the last word Gríma Wormtounge....

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:17 | 3071570 PeteJE
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Good for him.  Is it lost on all you that these particular weapons came from someone prepping for economic and civilization collapse.  Bunch of paranoid fools - your thoughts and actions have consequences in the real world.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:28 | 3071635 LawsofPhysics
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Is this the same "real world" where printing has brought us all this prosperity.  You say "actions have consequences in the real world".  I say bullshit,  for too long there have been no consequences, that is the fucking problem.  Remind me, where is John Corzine motherfucker?   Entities in New York engineered and profitted from the collapse, then got bailed out.  Where are the real consequences in that bad behavior?!?!?  Yeah, if I were this criminal enabler, I might want to take weapons away from my citizens too.

Stupid sheep.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:28 | 3071644 salvadordaly
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Good for him. Is it lost on all you that these particular weapons came from someone prepping for economic and civilization collapse. Bunch of paranoid fools - your thoughts and actions have consequences in the real world. /sarc

There I fixed it for ya!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:46 | 3071774 fuu
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Hey noob the only anagram for your name is Pee Jet. Which is funny since all you do is piss all over the place like a puppy.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:49 | 3071788's picture



Good for him.  Is it lost on all you that these particular weapons came from someone prepping for economic and civilization collapse.  Bunch of paranoid fools - your thoughts and actions have consequences in the real world.


Do your part. Post a "gun free zone" sign on your home.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:16 | 3071572 Mad Mohel
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I say they ban that fuckin Bloomberg from opening that shithole he calls a mouth. That prick's answer to everything is banning.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:16 | 3071574 shutupnsing
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Only if they promise to throw the biggest offender behind bars as Fast & Furiously as humanly possible!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:16 | 3071576 youngman
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MAYOR BLOOMBERG CALLS FOR MAKING GUN TRAFFICKING A FELONY...well that should take out half of the ATF and Eric Holder.....and the State Department....the CIA...arming the so called Democratic Rebels

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:19 | 3071593 LawsofPhysics
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One set of laws for the corporate fascists, and another for you.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:17 | 3071582 dracos_ghost
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Well more kids were killed in auto accidents than guns so let's get rid of cars too.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:32 | 3071675 LawsofPhysics
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will happen when the commodity complex finally breaks.  Long bikes already.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:51 | 3071801's picture


child killed in bicycle accident

About 35,900,000 results

(0.27 seconds)

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:33 | 3072070 Matt
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How many of the bicycle accidents involved cars?

Of the remainder motor vehicleless bicycle deaths, how many were wearing helmets?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:36 | 3072082's picture

Why suggest that a bicycle can be used responsibly when it's so much easier to call for a ban and screech that those who do ride responsibly have the blood of children on their hands?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:18 | 3071587 LawsofPhysics
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I  am sure it will be just as successful as his "war on soda", the "war on terror" and the "war on drugs".  Enjoy the circuses folks because the bread is running low.

One set of laws for the corporate fascists, and another for you.

Bloody sheep

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:19 | 3071589 Wanton1
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New Nazis redefine mental disease.

Open season on hunters.




Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:18 | 3071590 WeekendTrader
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What an idiot! He should be giving AK47s to everybody entering highshool. They will be so much safer!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:21 | 3071604 LawsofPhysics
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I presume you mean "highschool", and yes, remind us, what is Switzerland's model again regarding firearms?


Stupid fucking sheep.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:54 | 3071827's picture



What an idiot! He should be giving AK47s to everybody entering highshool. They will be so much safer!


Even in your attempt to ridicule lovers of liberty you can't suppress your collectivist and socialist tendencies.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:11 | 3071930 WeekendTrader
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believe it or not, we actually do live in a society with more than one person so yes, one has to think of the collective. And 20 6 and 7 year old kids won't be doing that anymore.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:18 | 3071985's picture

Believe it or not people are individuals and neither you nor Mike Bloomberg have a right to initiate violence against others in order to pursue your own personal agendas.


And 20 6 and 7 year old kids won't be doing that anymore.


Why pretend that you care about children when you don't want them to be protected by responsible adults?


Pearl High School shooting


The incident began on the morning of October 1, 1997 when Luke Woodham fatally stabbed and bludgeoned his mother, Mary Woodham, as she prepared for a morning jog. At his trial, Woodham claimed that he could not remember killing his mother.

Woodham drove his mother's car to Pearl High School. Wearing an orange jumpsuit and a trenchcoat,[1] he made no attempt to hide his rifle. When he entered the school, he fatally shot Lydia Kaye Dew and Christina Menefee, his former girlfriend. Pearl High School assistant band director, Jeff Cannon, was standing five feet away from Dew when she was fatally shot. Woodham went on to wound seven others before leaving, intending to drive off campus and conduct another shooting at the nearby Pearl Junior High School. However, assistant principal Joel Myrick had retrieved a .45 pistol from the glove compartment of his truck and subdued Woodham inside his mother's car. Then Myrick demanded "Why did you shoot my kids?" to which Woodham replied, "Life has wronged me, sir."[2]




Parker Middle School dance shooting


The Parker Middle School dance shooting was an incident that occurred on April 24, 1998 at a restaurant in Edinboro, Pennsylvania, United States. 14-year-old Andrew Jerome Wurst fatally shot 48-year-old John Gillette, and wounded another teacher and two students[1] at Nick's Place (a nearby restaurant) during an 8th grade graduation dance.[2]

The shooting ended when the owner of Nick's Place, James Strand, intervened and confronted Wurst with his shotgun, ordering him to drop his weapon and later holding him at bay for eleven minutes.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:32 | 3072026 WeekendTrader
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Thank you for pointing out that an idiot with a gun killed a number of people and then was aprehended without violence.

Had he not had access to a gun nobody would have died, but we would not want that now, do we....


Totally agree - more guns are better. If everybody is armed to the teeth we all will be so much safer. In fact, it should be illegal to be out in public and be without at least a semi-automatic.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:33 | 3072067's picture

If you believe that fewer guns always leads to the best outcome then you must have wanted those who were saved by the introduction of a second gun in the hands of a responsible adult in the Pearl and Edinboro incidents to die. It's fun to watch your partisanship reveal itself when you are faced with discussing (or avoiding the discussion of) real world situations.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:34 | 3072079 WeekendTrader
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20 dead kids seems pretty real world to me. At least in my world.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:41 | 3072108's picture

Yes, it's quite real and the policies your promote indicate that you wanted them to die. That's why you are so upset by the stories out of Pearl and Edinboro that you can't even admit that responsible adults with guns saved lives in those situations. It's people like you who put the Sandy Hook principle in a position where she had to make an unarmed rush at an insane gunman.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:45 | 3072137 WeekendTrader
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You're right. I change my point of view. We need more weapons so we all will be safe.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:49 | 3072154's picture

Why are you fixated on a numbers game? When individuals act responsibly according to the nonaggression principle we will be safer. Your nanny state agenda makes that impossible and encourages just the sort of aberrant behavior that got those kids killed.


And you still can not seriously admit that responsible adults with guns saved lives in Pearl and Edinboro. W#hat clearer evidence could there be of your desire to see more kids killed?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:54 | 3072202 WeekendTrader
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Guns facility the expression of violence. Violence cannot and will not be eliminated - it is part of the human condition. What a reduction of access to guns does is limit the extend to which that violence can be expressed, thus limiting harm. We all sometimes get really, really angry and, if a weapon were available would probably like to use it in the heat of the moment. 5 minutes later though usually it is quite clear that killing somebody because they were eying your wife would not have been a good idea.

Having reduced access to guns simply makes sense. Had the kid in Newtown not had access he would have perhaps stabbed somebody, but the damage would have been much, much more limited.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:38 | 3072289's picture


Having reduced access to guns simply makes sense.


Is that a confirmation that you wish more kids had been killed in Pearl and Edinboro?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:33 | 3072681 Matt
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Do you get into alot of brawls? If you fear that you would lose your temper and shoot someone if you possessed a gun, simply due to that person oggling your wife, then surely you must find that without a gun, you tend to suddenly start punching people. 

The only way to make sure you cannot punch people is to limit your access to fists, by cutting off your hands.

Or we could get biblical; whatever offends you, cut it out. If seeing things makes you violent, then you should remove your eyes so you are not offended.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:40 | 3072706 DosZap
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Do you get into alot of brawls?.

Don;t know who your responding to, but NOW if you get into a fight, and the LE are involved(misdemeanor).You just lost your right to EVER own a firearm again.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 22:50 | 3081384 Matt
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The comments on this site are nested, so my response is indented one notch from the post I am replying to, TheWeekendTrader, who wrote:

"We all sometimes get really, really angry and, if a weapon were available would probably like to use it in the heat of the moment. 5 minutes later though usually it is quite clear that killing somebody because they were eying your wife would not have been a good idea."

To which I inquired if (s)he tended to get into many brawls. I do not think the sort of person who flies off into a rage and shoots someone because of a minor offense, would suddenly act civil without a handgun. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:43 | 3072128 fuu
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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:57 | 3072152 WeekendTrader
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Of course not. Lives taken away at age 6 and 7 are irrelevant. So are the lives of the parents, siblings, grand parents and the community at large.

if just they would have had more, easily accessible guns all would have been fine.

11 bullets for a 7 year old is just right.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:10 | 3072296's picture

So why do you insist that children be penned in so-called "gun free zones" like the Sandy Hook school?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:52 | 3072513 WeekendTrader
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I didn't. I make the simple observation that as you have fewer weapons the chances of one them used inappropriately goes down.

But that probably doesn't make sense to you, but it worked in Australia and many other countries.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:24 | 3072593's picture


I didn't.


 So you agree that responsible adults should have the ability to defend children against murderers even in schools?



I make the simple observation that as you have fewer weapons the chances of one them used inappropriately goes down.


Gun bans have accompanied increased crime in some places as well. But you probably don't understand that the mere presence of inanimate objects is not the definitive factor.


Care of we learn that:

In 2007, there were 613 fatal firearm accidents in the United States, constituting 0.5% of 123,706 fatal accidents that year.

These emergency room visits for non-fatal firearm accidents resulted in 5,045 hospitalizations, constituting 0.4% of 1.4 million non-fatal accident hospitalizations that year.

During the years in which the D.C. handgun ban and trigger lock law was in effect, the Washington, D.C. murder rate averaged 73% higher than it was at the outset of the law, while the U.S. murder rate averaged 11% lower.

The homicide rate in England and Wales has averaged 52% higher since the outset of the 1968 gun control law and 15% higher since the outset of the 1997 handgun ban.

Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the Chicago murder rate has averaged 17% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 25% lower.

Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the percentage of Chicago murders committed with handguns has averaged about 40% higher than it was before the law took effect.




Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:28 | 3072652 WeekendTrader
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The world is greater than the US. You are cherrypicking data, pretending to be objective and rational.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:32 | 3072675's picture

So it's cherry picking to refer to US data when contemplating US policies?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:47 | 3072735 WeekendTrader
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Yes. When you quote a couple of articles where a gun may have saved lives and you omit the fact that more than 10,000 people in the US die of gun related violence you are cherrypicking and intentionally not giving the full picture.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:09 | 3072798 fuu
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41,000+ people died in 2007 from vehicles vs 10,000 dead from guns, yet you aren't all up in here arguing that cars should be banned right?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:24 | 3072864's picture


you omit the fact that more than 10,000 people in the US die of gun related violence


Picture this:


*Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.


That's 989,883 - 10,000 = 979,883 net gain in victims under your policies.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:20 | 3072361 fuu
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20 > 290,999,980

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:57 | 3072533 WeekendTrader
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That math is true for the kids and the parents.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:16 | 3072606's picture

But more kids should have been murdered in Pearl and Edinboro in your opinion. The tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:30 | 3072667 WeekendTrader
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I did not say or imply that, nor would it be the logical consequence of what I am suggesting.

Your "reasoning" is not logical, rather you are attempting to disguise emotions as fact by twisting what I write and cherrypicking data points and pulling in data points without proper context.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:35 | 3072683's picture

In Pearl and Edinboro the introduction of an additional gun not wielded by a murderer saved lives. Your assertion that the number of inanimate objects is a definitive factor in crime rather than who is wielding that object leads me to no other conclusion than that you wanted more kids to be killed in those incidents.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:39 | 3072703 WeekendTrader
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The lives saved in those instances pale by how many others have died of gun related violence.

Like I said, cherrypicking and refusing to properly contextualize events.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:05 | 3072746's picture


Like I said, cherrypicking and refusing to properly contextualize events.


You're projecting. Government bans drugs and they are everywhere. A gun ban would stop only law abiding citizens from owning weapons. Criminals could still obtain guns as easily as they obtain methamphetamine. You are suggesting that that would make people safer and save lives. You are the one who has no ability to contextualize events.


The lives saved in those instances pale by how many others have died of gun related violence.


Meanwhile, you wish this old lady had been beaten to death with her own cane. Or did you want to ban canes as well?


82-year-old fights off attacker

Posted: Mar 16, 2010 5:02 PM
Updated: Mar 16, 2010 5:02 PM


SIERRA VISTA - An 82-year-old woman takes matters into her own hands after she's attacked in a Wal-Mart parking lot in Sierra Vista.

Police said the suspect Stephen Prickett beat the woman with her own cane until she grabbed her gun from her purse and started firing


I picked a few more cherries for you. Perhaps you could bake a pie.


elderly woman defends herself with gun



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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:28 | 3072655 fuu
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The rights of the few outweigh the rights of the many.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:20 | 3071974 GoinFawr
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 Great argument, but I don't think he went far enough. Better to arm them to the teeth by grade 1. After all, the decision to give one's child access to weapons ought to be entirely at the parent's discretion, right? Or are you some sort of freedom hating treasonous statist collectivist socialisty stalin loving ss blah blah blah blah blah?


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:21 | 3072003 WeekendTrader
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You forgot that I love jews/niggers/spics/fags


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:22 | 3072007's picture

People should be allowed to chose their own mates but it's just plain crazy to suggest that that means that children should be forced to marry in first grade, ya know? See, that's the problem when you concentrate on "going far enough" in your argument rather than thinking and speaking rationally.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:30 | 3072032 GoinFawr
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GAsP! You mean there ought to be some groundRULES? Who gets to decide for me, YOU? Sounds pretty statist to me... <shrugs>

I know, I know, it totally sucks for you when I beat you over the head with your own 'reasoning'. Cry me a fucking river.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:34 | 3072076's picture

But no one here other than you suggested that first graders should be armed. You're beating yourself over the head with you own lack of reasoning.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:42 | 3072100 GoinFawr
GoinFawr's picture

Nice try. As you well know I'm saying no such thing.

I'm merely pointing out how ridiculous your position is by agreeing with you; that it ought to be wholly MY CHOICE in Fantasy Freedom Land!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:43 | 3072127's picture

So by making up stuff that reflects your own insanity rather than any statement made by me you have "agreed" with me and shown me to be foolish? That doesn't seem reasonable.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:54 | 3072204 GoinFawr
GoinFawr's picture

hahaha! backpedal, waffle, circumlocute, obfuscate all you like, you secret santa statist you.

I agreed with your insipid 'principle', and then to make a point I followed it down the rabbit hole to one of its many sickening and irrational, but absolutely covered conclusions.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:12 | 3072324's picture

What principle was that?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:54 | 3072386 GoinFawr
GoinFawr's picture

...he/she asked ever so innocently. "Here we go 'round the mulberry bush" It's your fave tune, I can tell.  Can't you read?

 You are fooling absolutely no one, statist; but thanks for the chuckle anyway.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:20 | 3072622's picture

Yeah, your inability to support your argument is hilarious. But you didn't need me for that.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:35 | 3072666 GoinFawr
GoinFawr's picture

That's right, you just do that 'shuffle off to buffalo' thing, as per.

Everyone who's not your fluffer knows you're trying to blow smoke up our... noses.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:37 | 3072692's picture

You refuse to cite the principle with which you take such great exception and I'm shuffling? That's weak.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:51 | 3072921 GoinFawr
GoinFawr's picture

As if four times isn't enough...  Quit rooting around for a free lunch; earn it. I'm tired of repeating myself to the likes of you.

Better yet: just own up for once in your life.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:04 | 3072988's picture

I admit it. You are completely correct about that thing which you won't talk about. How could I have not seen it before? Many thanks and tender regards.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:21 | 3073036 GoinFawr
GoinFawr's picture

Honestly, that's the only blockheaded response I expected from you.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:04 | 3073155's picture

When you're right, you're right.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:44 | 3073258 Flakmeister
Flakmeister's picture

Did you get pwn'ed again?

I swear that you get beaten worse than a rented mule...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:59 | 3073307's picture

If you think I got "pwn'ed" perhaps you can tell me what his point was because he won't discuss it.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:19 | 3071595 jbvtme
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fucking reptoid....

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:24 | 3071598 Zer0head
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Bloomberg's New York City Week to date Crime Stats for Week ending December 9, 2012


Murder 8
Rape 30
Robbery 395
Fel Assault 278
Buggery 371
Gr Larceny 907
GLA 172  (WTF)
Pet Larceny 1545
Misc Assault 826
Misc Sex 65
Shooting incidents 13 (BB gun?)


Survey: Retired Cops Say NYPD Crime Stats Fudged

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:33 | 3071682 FrankDrakman
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Seriously? 371 counts of 'buggery'? I bet there's some bathhouses where that's an hour's count, not a week's.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:42 | 3071738 Mad Mohel
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LOL Buggery, is that even a real crime? It sounds like the judge should wear a Colonial times wig when giving out the sentence for that.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:58 | 3071857's picture

Don't mention this to Tyler, but...


Etymologically, a "Bugger" was a "Bulgre" (French Bougre). Originally, it was wrongly derived from the French word "Boulgrerie" ("of Bulgaria"), meaning the medieval Bulgarian clerical sect of the Bogomils, although they are not cognates.[3]

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:20 | 3071600 ivana
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Yeah, but tommorow youll see call for gov to provide DEFENCE WEAPON FOR EACH CHILD ABOVE 3YEARS ... that would also stimulate inovation cause we all know that existing guns are to heavy for kids (sarc)

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:04 | 3071882 Shell Game
Shell Game's picture

Only if they are children of rebels trying to topple a CIA-targeted regime..


US foreign policy FTMFW

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:21 | 3071610 Count de Money
Count de Money's picture

One thing as sure as night follows day: Whenever Bloomberg opens his mouth, something stupid usually comes out.

I'm going to crack open a bottle champagne when this assclown finally kicks off.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:32 | 3071678 helping_friendl...
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Bloomberg's clone is already ten years old. He should be able to survive until his clone takes over.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:21 | 3071611 Say What Again
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I would vote for a ban on any "concealed" order within a 50 mile radius of any exchange computer.  The use of "Hide 'n Slide" orders should lead to a mandatory 5 year sentence for the owners of the computer that originated the order.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:23 | 3071620 kralizec
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If they do not take them out of the hands of government officials as well then OMDB!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:26 | 3071634 Winston Churchill
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I am going out to buy an AK47 this afternoon,if I can find one with a cupholder big

enough for my 44oz soda.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:17 | 3071813 Colonel
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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:00 | 3072236 darteaus
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I just fired my new five-seven this w/e.  Low recoil, loud noise, nine out of ten in 10X from 7 yards.  Much more controllable and accurate than my sub-compact XD 9mm.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:29 | 3071640 ebworthen
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How about a ban on stupid and arrogant politicians who think that laws control the evil and insane amongst us?

How about a ban on crazy people?  Aren't there laws against hate crimes and mass murder?  How come those laws didn't stop this crazy kid from killing?

How safe will we be when the only ones with guns will be SWAT teams that are 15 minutes away and will arrive after the fact or the wicked and insane who care not what the law says?

"No 22 oz. sodas or assault weapons" will not stop people from buying two 12 oz. sodas or assault weapons on the black market, but will give people a false sense of security and fucknuts like Bloomberg more power and money.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:27 | 3071642 onlooker
onlooker's picture

I am surprised to learn there is an assault weapons problem in NY City. I thought they had tough gun laws. In that he runs NY City maybe he can pass some laws that will control guns there and the Nation can follow with similar laws. I missed his suggested laws about mental problems and anti-depression drugs that seem to cause a lot of violent death is the USA. Maybe associated with the Friday crazed mass murder. The Heart posted a site yesterday that is a real eye opener about depression drugs and many, many violent deaths.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:28 | 3071650 helping_friendl...
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Bloomberg makes comp;lete sense.

If you fear the police then you must be committing a crime?

I don't own a gun, lived in the absolute 'hood in Jackson Ward RVA when our murder rate was #1 per capita and never needed a gun.

Why does anyone need an assualt rifle?

Ferderal gun laws MUST BE ENFORCED.

There are more guns in this country than people.

If the gov't gets untenable the armed forces will protect the people from the gov't.

Think it through. How does a gun protect you from the gov't? It doesn't. That is what the army is for.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:31 | 3071670 ebworthen
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+1 for the wry tone of your sarcasm.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:46 | 3071770 NotApplicable
NotApplicable's picture

Hmm... I missed it by that much.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:02 | 3071880's picture

Perhaps it's not the wry but the rye.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:34 | 3071689 azzhatter
azzhatter's picture

Where is the army? It's untenable for me

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:13 | 3071886 helping_friendl...
helping_friendly_book's picture

No reason to lose your head when your the one getting shit upon. It takes time. Bernanke has set a course for ultimate self destruct. Reading ZH today revealed in the treasury market " collapsing Indirect interest is persisting"

Sounds like treasury bonds are losing luster. If the cops don't get paid we get their guns. When the army doesn't get paid we get their guns.

It will take time and I am sure you want to live to see it. Wasting your resources on arms might not be the best allocation.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:45 | 3071756 NotApplicable
NotApplicable's picture

Did you get you HuffPo bookmark messed up again?

Besides, if we're going to start enforcing centralized laws, how about the Galactic laws? Tell ya what... since I'm the Emperor of the MFing Galaxy (yes, that's really it's name, (thank Corzine)), I'll grant you an audience... well,  just as soon as you clear up that little incident concerning all of the back taxes you owe the MFGRS (after all, I can't be expected to entertain state criminals).

Oh, as for my title... well, perhaps you were apathetic on election day, that is assuming you even bothered to register AT ALL!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:52 | 3071811 LawsofPhysics
LawsofPhysics's picture

Hhmmm, that must be why Bloomberg has his own private security detail with the best assault weapons ben's jewbucks can buy.  Why does my public servant get to carry such weapons and be afforded such security.  If he has been such a good mayor in making sure laws were upheld his citizens should love him right?  Bullshit, while I agree that laws should be enforced, this fascism is sickening.  This guy presides of a den of fucking crimminals and he wants to disarm everybody?  Execute John Corzine and then let's talk.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:12 | 3071922 helping_friendl...
helping_friendly_book's picture

Point goes to LawsofPhysics.

I can't argue w/ your reasoning.

Trying to take on the "Blackwater" alumni is futile I can assure you.

There must be another way?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:22 | 3072005 LawsofPhysics
LawsofPhysics's picture

Many of us have served our country.  Many went our own ways (with our guns and knowledge).  We keep in touch.  Many of the former Delta operatives I know make some great gear now.  We wait, we watch, patience.  Evil and cowardice always show themselves first.  Love and caring enough to actually make an honest fix requires real courage.  If the mayor wishes to continue to isolated his city, fine with me.  I will simply encourage those in agriculture like, myself, to do less business with this region.  All economies are local and blowback is a bitch.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:20 | 3072302 helping_friendl...
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When I wrote ***How does a gun protect you from the gov't? It doesn't. That is what the army is for.*****

I should have included veterans as well.

I too think Manhattan needs to be excommunicated from the Union so they may bear the cost of Wall Street's treachery. I'm sure an inordinate amount of tax dollars flows to NYNY so the bankers can maintain their high style while letting federal tax dollars take care of the rest of their infrastructure. I say lay siege and tax Manhattan, let them pay for their folly with their own money. Why should we be forced to pay for their criminal ways?

Chicago and San Francisco can be brought in line as well.

This whole Union business is not working out well. The ass clown who owns the house next to mine lives in another state and I can't compel him to follow the laws of my state to maintain his property. I say forget about the United part and let the States regain their sovereignty. 


I don't see the Federal Gov't as anything other than oppression and usurping my property rights.


If we ever wage a just war, which actually defends the constitution, I will, then, thank you for your service. Until then I respect your opinion.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:12 | 3072592 LawsofPhysics
LawsofPhysics's picture

"If we ever wage a just war, which actually defends the constitution"


FYI, buying and holding PMs is doing just this.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:06 | 3071903 forwardho
forwardho's picture

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares, usually end up plowing for those who did not"

 - Benjamin Franklin

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:33 | 3071680 azzhatter
azzhatter's picture

Interestingly one of the co sponsors of the last attempt to extend the assault weapons ban was the honorable Jon Corzine when he was a senator. Isn't that special, sponsored by a fucking criminal

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:33 | 3071686 Captain Benny
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Bloomberg should stop his protection detail from carrying firearms.  His corporate security at Bloomberg LP should be prohibited from carrying firearms.  All guests to Bloomberg LP should be banned from carrying firearms as well, no matter how VIP they are.  Come on Bloomberg, be the example ....  /sarc/


Pry them from my cold dead hands.  They are protection from tyranny.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:46 | 3071764 youngman
youngman's picture

CNBC just had two from Atlanta....saying ban the guns.....but they have huge security staff..with high cap magazines..with assault weapons..probably auto weapons...why?....if its so safe....set the example first drop your fist...oh and don´t get me started on the POTUS...and his security....???

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:50 | 3071796 kralizec
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Damn right!  If it is the guns causing the problem, get rid of them all!  Thus their calls for us to only disarm ourselves falls of deaf ears...

Fricken Nazi's!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:59 | 3071856 orangedrinkandchips
orangedrinkandchips's picture guns for the innocent or defensless but guns for the gangbangers!!!


Make em illegall they will become more of a black market than crack, coke, weed, meth all put together!





Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:29 | 3072057 john39
john39's picture

gangbangers are an issue, but the real terrorist slaughter kids with drones and white phos...  until they are disarmed, it would be most unwise to drop your guard.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:38 | 3071720 grunk
grunk's picture

Semi automatic weapons: the Big Gulps of the gun industry.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:39 | 3071723 buzzsaw99
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he should list his bans in order of importance. does the twinkie ban rate higher or lower on his list than the sub machine gun ban?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:43 | 3071744 WillyGroper
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1. What is he doing about "Fast & Furious?"

2. What penalties has he imposed on his finest that shot 9? bystanders?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:44 | 3071755 MOLONAABE
MOLONAABE's picture

Bloomberg is a big wet douche

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:44 | 3071758 gbresnahan
gbresnahan's picture

Maybe we should outlaw accidents and suicide before we outlaw guns?

Leading causes of death in US, 2009 (via

  • Heart disease: 599,413
  • Cancer: 567,628
  • Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353
  • Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,842
  • Accidents (unintentional injuries): 118,021
  • Alzheimer's disease: 79,003
  • Diabetes: 68,705
  • Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,692
  • Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,935
  • Intentional self-harm (suicide): 36,909


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:31 | 3072059 john39
john39's picture

death by prescription drugs (properly prescribed) takes a few hundred thousand a year in the U.S. alone...  

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:07 | 3072283 centerline
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Death by cheese.  Don't anyone dare ban cheese.  Damn.

What we don't have enough of is death by stupidity.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:45 | 3071765 besnook
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i become a laugh track when i hear or read jews in power talk about the need to reduce or take away rights in the name of public security. maybe they need to be reminded again why that is not such a good idea.

apparently all the others in power clamoring for draconian gun control need a real life lesson in history. also.

my in house research is showing the demand for guillotines has almost reached the threshold of a viable business plan.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:50 | 3071795 helping_friendl...
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Need investors?

I would be willing to provide short term money.

I was thinking the same and I think Congress might be a little more motivated knowing we have ten guillotines in each state.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:57 | 3071807 pazmaker
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I call for a ban on NY subway trains!   people are being killed by them all the time.....just recently a guy was pushed in front of one and a girl jump in front of one to commit suicide!  


Subway trains are evil and should be banned!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:58 | 3071855 pazmaker
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either somebody doesn't like me or they don't get the sarc...any way junk away!!!!!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:43 | 3072122 Matt
Matt's picture

I think we should cut to the root of the problem. It seems to me that all murders and most accidents occur when someone is MOVING. If we just forced everybody to sit in one place without MOVING, we could virtually eliminate death and violent crime.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:53 | 3071819 orangedrinkandchips
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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:59 | 3071865 fuu
fuu's picture

Hey kids!
You want a soundtrack that's gonna make you feel tense?
Let you express your frustration?
Make ya scared, wanna run out and buy a gun?
You're looking for another rock'n'roll record that'll make you
feel like a victim.
You're like a victim - you love to be a victim.
You love the United States prime time victim show.
Hey, bells, helicopters, machine guns.
Listen to that! Listen to that!
Kill for Allah. Kill for Jesus.
1980's shit - turn it down.
Tone it down 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:56 | 3071836 TheSettler
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Meanwhile in Arkansas...


"[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said. "If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:56 | 3071842 reader2010
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Pretty soon, they will ask you to get a permit before you can sex with your woman.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:05 | 3071901 thedrickster
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Nah, hetero sex will just be banned outright first.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:55 | 3072528 sunnyside
sunnyside's picture

Like my wife needs yet another reason to say no.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:01 | 3071876 MFLTucson
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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:05 | 3071895 mr. mirbach
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Before you jump on the Gun Ban wagon, keep in mind that the Police have no duty or obligation to protect citizens.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:05 | 3071900 Floodmaster
Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:06 | 3071905 QQQBall
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Gun trafficking a felony? The ATF and particularly Eric Holder will have a private wing at San Quentin.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:06 | 3071908 dexter_morgan
dexter_morgan's picture

Will he ride the subway without his armed bodyguerds then also?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:09 | 3071916 Dr. Engali
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I am sick of these control freak assclowns who want to manage every aspect of our lives. Why can't these fuckers just go away?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:44 | 3072719 DosZap
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Dr E

I am sick of these control freak assclowns who want to manage every aspect of our lives. Why can't these fuckers just go away?


Because they are so rich, they only want POWER...............all of it.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:12 | 3071941 americanspirit
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When the Feds give up their drones, domestic surveillance, Patriot Act, and TSA groping I might - might - consider giving up a couple of my weapons. Until then - stuff it Bloomberg.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:14 | 3071954 JR
JR's picture

 Gun control supporters have the blood of little children on their hands. Federal and state laws combined to insure that no teacher, no administrator, no adult had a gun at the Newtown school where the children were murdered. This tragedy underscores the urgency of getting rid of gun bans in school zones. The only thing accomplished by gun free zones is to insure that mass murderers can slay more before they are finally confronted by someone with a gun.” – Larry Pratt, director Gun Owners Association of America

How many mass murders are there in police stations?

How many mass murders are there at a gun show?

You know why there are none. It would be suicide. Because most of the people there have a gun.

The banker-controlled media is going to talk about going after the guns as much as it can get away with. These people don’t care about lives. They care about restrictions on guns because they want restrictions on freedom. They know, like Lenin and Michael Bloomberg, that “One man with a gun can control a hundred without one.” They know that the current government is preparing, if necessary, to disarm those who would rebel against their encroaching police state. Bloomberg, with his $40 Million NYC surveillance operation who told his police officers that they should not protect Americans who oppose gun control, is the voice of the police state.

The enemy, the State, wants Americans defenseless. Keep your freedom by keeping your guns. And prepare to “Run to the sound of the guns.”

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:21 | 3071993 Shell Game
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"The enemy, the State, wants Americans defenseless."

Exactly.  So called 'gun-free' zones must be abolished, and quickly. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:21 | 3072001 syntaxterror
syntaxterror's picture

Ban Halo and Call of Duty! Just don't ban the banksters, ponzi schemers, or vampire squid!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:10 | 3072299 centerline
centerline's picture

Can I keep GTA?  The latest is coming out early next year.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:37 | 3072036 Catullus
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We can start with the NYPD. Come on, Mike. You can actually control that.

Is there a reason the NYPD trains their officers to use an M4 automatic machine gun? Is there a reason the "Elite Service Unit" of the NYPD is armed with these weapons? These people have obviously shown a pattern of anti-social and violent behavior with regards to their jobs. Some of them even have the homicidal God Complex.

Get back to us on this one, Mike. I'm sure you're ready to do your part to ban assault weapons.

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