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Newtown Shooting: A Syndrome Of A Troubled Society?

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In a concerning shift of sentiment, a majority of Americans, based on a new WaPo-ABC poll, now see the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary as a sign of broader problems in society (as opposed to an 'isolated' incident). While there remains widespread - and intense - opposition to banning the sale of handgunds in general (though high-capacity ammo clip restrictions are just as broadly despised), from the 2007 Virgina Tech shootings to this year's Aurora theater massacre, the poll results below suggest societal problems are becoming ever more critical in our nation's thinking.



Source: Washington Post-ABC Poll


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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:38 | 3071711 molecool
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So travesties are now decided by polls?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:37 | 3071716 prains
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there's critical thinking in the USA????????

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:39 | 3071725 molecool
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It's all fun and games until you run into a swarm of bullets.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:43 | 3071743 otto skorzeny
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you mean like a swarm of hollow points from our hyper-violent govt ("Do as I say-not as I do"-Uncle Sam)

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:51 | 3071808 malikai
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They just love you too much.

And they are willing to prove it.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:59 | 3071859 SilverTree
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Libor scandal grows as the fathers of two mass murderers were to testify

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:07 | 3071914 e_goldstein
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Noticed that. Thought it was just paranoid coincidence until I remembered Fast and Furious.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:20 | 3071989 Goy_Debt_Slave
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783,000 Americans are killed each year by failedsurgeries, deadly prescription drugs and fatal mistakes by medical staff Natural News

In 2010, only 6,009 Americans were murdered by handguns. FBI website

There are approximately 2.1 to 2.5 million instances annually in which Americans use a gun for self defense.

Tell me again why the U.N. is trying to take away our right to defend ourselves from criminals and tyrannical governments? Oh, wait, never mind, they ARE the tyrannical government we need to defend ourselves against?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:22 | 3072004 SilverTree
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You are preaching to the choir dude.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:25 | 3072030 Michaelwiseguy
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The mainstream media reporters, New World Order enemies of the people, are on a gun grabbing rampage and they are not addressing the real causes for the culture of violence in America, and are using the Connecticut shooting to promote their own agenda.  Here's how we stop them.

The common thread in all the recent mass shootings is; men in their early 20's were brought up 24/7/365 for a decade or more on violent 1st person shooter training video games, violent movies, and are on prescription psychotropic drugs. Gun violence training video games, violent movies, psychotropic drugs, and real guns don't mix.

Gun Owners must suggest a ban on video games like Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, and all other 1st person shooter video games.

Gun Owners must suggest an end to Violent Movies like Bat Man, Zombieland, and all other mass murder movies.

Demand the Psychiatric Drug Industry take their fair share of the blame and demand stricter controls on prescription psychiatric drugs.

I use the harsh "Ban" word for violence in entertainment knowing full well we don't really want video games banned due to 1st amendment rights, but gun groups raising the suggestion will make people mad enough that the causes of gun violence will be discussed in the mainstream, divert attention from just banning guns, and address the true causes of the culture of violence.

There is no expectation of a ban on suggested items, but to raise awareness of the actual problem and encourage voluntary compliance. I know these suggestions goes against The Protocols of the Elders of Zion plan, but we can use this episode to squash their programs.

Make these demands 1st before a single new gun ban is put in place.

Mothers Against Gun Violence in Entertainment (MAGVE) groups should speak out against Hollywood, TV, and other entertainment gun violence genres.

Coupled with the heavy use of Psychiatric Drugs and enhanced with first person shooter video games, we have a recipe for manufactured disaster.


The Entertainment and Pharmaceutical industries must be included with punishment, for their role in increased young man gun violence.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:28 | 3072047 Nimby
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Grand Theft Auto isn't a FPS.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:53 | 3072134 redpill
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It's a travesty of society alright, but it's not about video games or media culture.

Every time one of these incidents happen we make the same mistake over and over: trying to find rational explanation for the inherently irrational.  HE WAS INSANE AND NOT RATIONAL, so don't try to "figure it out."  He was not just diffferent, or reserved, or depressed, or a video game enthusiast.  When it comes to diagnosis vis-a-vis Aspergers, there is a tremendous gray area when it comes to these sorts of mental afflictions, and often at around this age new and different aspects to the mental disorder can begin to develop, so it is unlikely that this explains the full picture.

Point being, don't try to make sense out of someone stealing their mother's firearms and then killing her and a bunch of innocent children.

Second point is allowing this to become a political fight about guns would be an even bigger tragedy because it misses the point.  By all accounts his mother was a responsible gun owner (perhaps other than having guns in the house when one of her sons has mental issues, although we do not know if he has ever exhibited violent behavior as the violent aspect can literally come out of nowhere).  This guy stole her legally purchased and registered guns, and immediately shot her with them.  I'm not sure what stricter gun laws could have done to prevent that.  As with many young people with mental issues, this guy was very smart and chances are would have found a way to get ahold of a firearm (or something worse).  

The constantly-ignored issue is that we have a total vacuum of societal responsibility when it comes to dealing with the mentally ill.  Our society is based upon the notion that people are able to make rational decisions for themselves.  The mentally ill short-circuit this process.  Currently the treatment is to wait before they do something illegal and then put them in jail.  This solves little, because you can only forcibly medicate them as long as they are imprisoned.  Eventually they get let out and the cycle begins anew.

I'm as terrified as anyone at the notion of being able to have an adult committed to a mental institution against their will when they have not broken any laws.  But that terror is more than balanced at seeing the tragic human stories about dealing with family members who are mentally insane.  Their parents are trapped, they do not want to put them out on the street where they could get into trouble, get hurt, or hurt someone else.  They cannot have them committed because they are adults and can't be forced to accept treatement.  So they get stuck with an insane person in their house, which impacts every single aspect of their daily lives, every single one.  Luckily few of the mentally insane are violent, but the sad reality is that for every horrible violent tragedy we read about, there are millions of silently insane people writhing in tortured psychosis that ruins their own lives and those of their family that desperately wants to help them but cannot.  This is not comfortable subject.  It does not get many lobbyists.  The insane, by definition, cannot be their own advocate.  Until we address this, more of these violent acts will occur, and the millions of non-violent mentally ill will continue to suffer in the purgatory of insanity.

Here's a poignant article from another mother and her experiences dealing with her mentally ill son.  You can think that it's just "her problem" that her son has mental problems.  But not only is that inhumane given that she has limited tools to deal with it, it's also clear that in the rare case when psychotic breaks of violence can occur, it is not just her problem, it is everyone's problem.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:56 | 3072209 Flakmeister
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A clinical surfeit of empathy is a killer....

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:59 | 3072230 Enslavethechild...
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This is how things really fucking work...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:53 | 3072754 Panafrican Funk...
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I mean, shit, now they're just getting obvious.

Yeah, it's all the "survivalist/prepper" culture's fault.  

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:00 | 3072780 Aurora Ex Machina
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Can't say that ZH wasn't in front of the curve with an anti-prepper piece, now can you?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:43 | 3073256 MisterMousePotato
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'Once is a coincidence. Twice is enemy action'. (Can't recall the attribution. Sorry.)

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:00 | 3072775 Aurora Ex Machina
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Is that your blog?

Because Matt Taibbi called, and he wants royalties paid.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:58 | 3072769 trav777
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ppl dunno what's up unless you know someone who has a psychotic break.  I knew a kid who this happened to...went from being normal to next thing in a mental ward talking about how his dad's picture is on the $50 bill and the AC units were talking to him.  Knew a chick too who lost it thru years of recreational use of adderall.  Talking about a 2nd city above the real one, hidden from view, believed she was on a tv show like Truman, all kinds of kooky shit.  Totally impervious to the unreasonability of it all.

These spree killers are not hollow like serial murderers; its not the same phenomenon.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:09 | 3072812 Aurora Ex Machina
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Serial killers fall into a few types, but the most successful are the psychopathic type, because they can get their jollies, then return to their "normal" life, and show no guilt, remorse or outward sign that their double-life is something so radically different. Of course, the majority of psychopaths are not killers, the ratio is approx 4% in the general populace and about 7-11% in CEO positions.

Spree killers are based in a Malay tradition. "They believed that amok was caused by the hantu belian, which was an evil tiger spirit that entered one’s body and caused the heinous act. As a result of the belief, those in Malaysian culture tolerated amok and dealt with the after effects with no ill will towards the assailant".

2,000 year old culture is more enlightened than modern America, who'd have thought it?


As for that city thing, she's surprisingly close. It's a meme so old even Plato used it; and it's still relevent. Although, Adderall really shouldn't be having that type of effect, she was no doubt mixing it with other things.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:01 | 3072248 forwardho
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Redpill, Thanks for interjecting realliy into the thread. This is a mental illness issue, not a weapon issue. Gasoline, knives, automobiles, baseball batts, hammers.... can be used to lashout at soceity. Shall we ban them all? or treat the indivigual.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:04 | 3072266 Michaelwiseguy
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Second point is allowing this to become a political fight about guns would be an even bigger tragedy because it misses the point.

This is already happening. We must fight fire with fire.

As far as the insanity problem, let's find the real causes. Fluoride in the water. Geo-Engineering smoketrailing with heavy amounts of aluminum and Barium oxide raining down on us every day. Today is a heavy chemtrail day in SW Florida where the number of commercial passenger jets flying overhead are few. I did the math and less than 250 jets go in and out of RSW at the hight of tourist season. Yet a large additional number of jets spraying their jet contrail chemicals are continuously flying overhead all day long. Who are the owners of all those non-passenger jets flying overhead and why?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:06 | 3072279 redpill
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There were mentally ill people before we had flouridated water and airplanes, please don't try to tinfoil every fucking issue.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:59 | 3072773 trav777
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please report yourself to mental health professionals soon, k?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:50 | 3073273 Ident 7777 economy
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 " Geo-Engineering smoketrailing with ..."

-1, Clown 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:24 | 3072379 DeadFred
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Perhaps the ones slipping out of the crack in the door over the pit are having trouble finding enough of their preferred hosts- bankers and politicians.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:13 | 3074445 TruthHunter
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As for her being a responsible gun owner, morning news reported she took

him to a firing range. One of the few prerequisites for owning a gun is having basic mental health. One more to

go and she can have a Darwin award.


 What's so irrational? He learns to virtual kill, shoot real

guns, solve the puzzle by finding the key, unlock the cabinet, go to the next level,

eliminated the little zombies, hit reset when the cops come.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:55 | 3074380 TruthHunter
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"Grand Theft Auto isn't a FPS."


Perhaps First Person Shithead?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:12 | 3072310 Karl von Bahnhof
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First out:

Lanzas mother was prepared for the worst:

works like clockwork (orange)

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:57 | 3074391 TruthHunter
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"Lanzas mother was prepared for the worst:"


For her the "worst" was getting shot while asleep, so obviously 

she wasn't prepared.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:08 | 3071918 inevitablecollapse
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has anyone else reported on this?  is it just going to be swept under the rug?  also curious as to corroborating sources for this story - i would typically cast a doubtful eye on something that is showing up on

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:09 | 3071919 francis_sawyer
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Surely, any fact that BOTH shooting suspects [one of them ~ conveniently as dead as Lee Harvey Oswald at the moment] had fathers that were about to testify in the LIBOR scandal falls WELL WITHIN any statistical or mathematical probability matrix...

It's kind of like Jews (who represent only about 2% of the American population ~ & whereby HALF of the WORLD's Jew population lives in America ~ which makes the worldwide jew number miniscule)... Yet ~ control 90% of the major power nodes of entertainment industry (including the ownereship of professional sports leagues & franchises), banking & finance (worldwide), & political lobby action committees... Yeah ~ well all that should be considered statistically NORMAL as well...

Move on people ~ nothing to see here...


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:13 | 3071944 SilverTree
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Kinda like Hillary's concussion.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:38 | 3072093 Bicycle Repairman
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Let me know when the Republicans call Hillary on it.  They won't.  They cut a deal.  It's none of your damn business what the deal was.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:26 | 3072034 Nimby
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Meh.  Interesting connection (if it is real), but then what is the motive?  Get both men to not testify?  Why not kill them?  Or hold their child hostage?  
So what you're saying is the international banking cartel brainwashed these young men into committing deadly shootings so that their fathers' would not testify about an interest rate scandal?
Could it also be that father's that are at the top of their career in the financial services industry tend not to give the kind of attention to their children that is needed, and when behavioral issues arise, they turn immediately to doctors whose first reaction is to prescribe, prescribe, prescribe?
Your theory is all well and good, but:
1.  It doesn't seem like brainwashing kids to go on killing sprees is going to stop dad's testimony, and

2.  There are plenty of other rational explanations.

Going to need a bit more before I jump head first on the crazy train. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:39 | 3072098 lyras
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The CIA are trained to sniff out likley fall guys like this kid, brainwash ém and then set them up to create a crisis too good to let go to waste.  Think the Gubmint cares about dead citizens?  Liked the big O's tears, tho, what a stand up guy!  Hillary's hilarious  concussion is all part of the absolute contempt they hold for us sheeples - and in some cases who could blame em, we swallow a lot of idiotic BS.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:37 | 3072091 RmcAZ
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Are there any other sources for this? Sounds fishy... "...Robert Holmes, the lead scientist for the credit score company FICO." Scientist? FICO needs a scientist?
Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:39 | 3072097 Bicycle Repairman
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"Scientist? FICO needs a scientist?"


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:48 | 3072156 francis_sawyer
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The Robert Holmes/FICO connection has been known for a long time & appears to be valid... This new stuff I'm just hearing about, so I couldn't say either way...


In any case, it probably doesn't matter... You still have people like VAST-DOM on this blog who think Osama Bin Laden was behind 9/11 and if you suggest that there otherwise might be a deeper caper involved with the story, you're 'anti-semitic'...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:46 | 3071767 prains
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Hence the need to have more bullets because the best way to fight fire is to pour gas on it.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:48 | 3071784 otto skorzeny
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my 75 round drum mags take alot of bullets to fill 'em

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:18 | 3071980 kaiserhoff
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Teflon.  It's not just for frying pans, anymore.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:28 | 3072049 MachoMan
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First, thank you for using the term magazine (as the OP totally fumbled that one).  Second, if you fill your magazine with only bullets, your firearm probably won't cycle very well and none of the bullets are going to manage to get out of the barrel...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:11 | 3072312 e_goldstein
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Economics degree?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:13 | 3073179 TeMpTeK
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How come the crazy peoples plan never involves shooting up a gun show? Ah yes... unarmed sitting ducks are soooo much easier.....

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:42 | 3071736 molecool
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Basically Joe Sixpack got used to the shootings and it took a massacre of great school children to reset public opinion. Pretty much all there needs to be said about popular culture.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:46 | 3071771 otto skorzeny
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very limited-it conflicts with thoughts like "Who do I want to win Dancing with the Stars" or "Should I keep paying on my underwater mortgage?" or "Boy-these minimum payments on my credit card are getting harder to make"

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:23 | 3072014 ShrNfr
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Lotsa folks are critical, not a lot of them think for themselves on any topic.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:38 | 3072450 Zap Powerz
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The societal problem is that our society is unsustainable and people are figuring it out at about the same time.  Sure, some of us are a head of the curve, but most of the producers and mooches have had a symbiotic relationship for a long time (the status quo) and, while complaining occasionally, didnt really want to change anything.

Well now the producers realize they are being asked to sacrifice too much and the moochers realize there isnt enough loot to go around anymore.  We are running out of money to keep the house of cards proppped up.

A lot of people have a sense of impending doom.  Its causing them to act irrationally because they are scared.  Think about how scared they are going to be in the near future?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:03 | 3072790 trav777
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what did I call this years ago...Collective Point of Recognition

Interestingly, the Chinese also have a problem with homicidal rampages on schoolkids

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:17 | 3073521 WTFRLY
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Absolutely Zap.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:13 | 3071943 LongSoupLine
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Now show me the overlay on how political and Fed economic "decisions" have created the "troubled society".

The focus on guns is fucking pathetic...

Hey, I have an idea...with the increase in forest fires let's ban all fucking trees. Wood is too fucking dangerous and needs to be fucking eradicated now.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:30 | 3073545 WTFRLY
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We are headed for a society like Demolition Man.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:34 | 3072424 Zap Powerz
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Isnt that a sign of a major societal problem?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:38 | 3071713 Robert-Paulson
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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:50 | 3071800 Ghordius
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which leads to the questions: is a society troubled if nobody cares? or: can the Media lead a society to care?

OT: btw, a few of my friends have concocted a new idea for a partial weapon's ban: the individual retains the right to own arms - the authorities get the right to confiscate if it's not stored and locked away properly in a safety box or arms cabinet

of course this was after quite a lot of liquor, so nobody pointed out that the whole thing has a couple of issues with home searches and weapon's registration and so on

(seriously, do yourself and others a favour, store your arms intelligently)

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:55 | 3071831 Spastica Rex
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And maybe don't train and arm your crazy kids?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:20 | 3071987 Ghordius
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I've seldom met a mother willing to admit that her kids are less than perfect, so it's a difficult judgment call that one

but my more conservative friends would immediately ask after the father figure for that "crazy" kid - with very non-PC side remarks of a woman having no business tending after kids and arms alone

asperger's is not crazy, btw

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:31 | 3072405 Spastica Rex
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I was being flip with "crazy."

I think America's love of guns is a bit sick, actually. I've always been comfortable with the idea of gun ownership, I'm the only person in my extended family who doesn't have one and doesn't hunt. I just don't. I love to eat what my cousin Gary shoots for me, however.

I'm off track.

Not everyone should be given a weapon and weapons training. Blind people, for example. 

A gun isn't the solution to every problem.

More access to guns isn't the solution to every problem.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 23:49 | 3073725 mjcOH1
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"I've seldom met a mother willing to admit that her kids are less than perfect, so it's a difficult judgment call that one"

Ma baby didn't do nuffin'....

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:31 | 3072060 MachoMan
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Jesus...  THE SYSTEM ALREADY HAS AN ANSWER FOR THIS...  it has nothing to do with necessary legislation...  if you fail to properly secure your firearms and someone takes them to commit a crime, guess what?  You're going to get sued.  This is how to properly deal with the situation...  let people police themselves through the risk of civil liability.  [and also another reason tort reformers are near sighted at best]

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:31 | 3072411 Spastica Rex
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The system failed.

They do on occasion, ya know.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:13 | 3072825 MachoMan
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Absolutely...  and, although it shocks the shit out of most people, maybe a system's failures aren't necessarily the defining features...  maybe we might focus on the system's successes, no?  Maybe, just maybe, we can sit on our hands and not legislate something else in haste that ALWAYS ends in less liberty... 


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:53 | 3072956 Spastica Rex
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As long as we're not religous about it.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:50 | 3071734 duo
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The autism spike from the '90s is causing an increase of highly medicated young adults?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:56 | 3071838 NotApplicable
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I was just discussing this aspect.

Bottom line. ALL actions have consequences.

In other news, one other group that should do well in light of this tragedy is the home-school movement. Where already established, I expect to see it gain a significant share, while other places might find a better reception where there were previously arguments over the lack of socialization of children.

After all, it's the only way to ensure your child's safety without having to beg the criminal class to do it for you.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:26 | 3072031 exi1ed0ne
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Both my kids will/are homeschooled because:

1) Educational content is crap - more propaganda than anything.  Abe freed the slaves - HAHAHAHAHA!

2) Educational method is crap - rote memorization at the expense of critical thinking skills.

3) Educational oversight is crap - how many locker room cover-ups does it take people?!?

4) It's a fucking prison.  Compare your local school policies to your local PMITA prison.

5) Lets put all our kids in one location, with shit student to teacher ratios so less oversight for each kid, so that the pedos, whackos, and politicians know right where to go.

I refuse to outsource the most important project I'll ever have the priviledge of being involved with - raising my kids.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:46 | 3071897 Randall Cabot
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Vaccines are certainly part of it but the big picture is more like this:

1) jew supremacists through the Frankfurt School, the mass media, the education system and the promotion of mass "multicultural" immigration degrade American culture and values because they believe it is "good for the jews".

2) A huge increase in the use of dangerous vaccines causes mental illmesses like autism amd Asperger's Syndrome in millions of people who will also be compromised into rootless loners and malcontents by the multicultural mayhem around them.

3) Prescribe known dangerous psychrotropic drugs to treat these menbtally ill rootless loners and malcontents.

4) Allow jew supremacist controlled Hollywood and TV and other enteertainment media to instill violent thoughts and tendencies into the minds of the troubled people

5) Apply a triggering signal like the Quentin Tarantino and Jamie Foxx Hollywood movie Django Unchained in which Jamie Foxx promotes the killing of "white folks" and then after the event observe jew supremacists like Bloomberg, Feinstein, Lieberman, Rendell and Weiner scream for gun confiscation.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:07 | 3072572 Flakmeister
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If ever we decide that people with a "dubious" mental framework need to be insitutionalized on a societal level, I will insist that the criteria be such that you are included...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:13 | 3072824 trav777
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he jumps to a lot of conclusions, but lands much closer to the truth than you'd like to admit...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:09 | 3073009 Flakmeister
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I'll give him 3)....


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:09 | 3073165 Randall Cabot
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Are you denying that the Frankfurt School were jews? And that the controllers of the mass media, including TV and Hollywood, that have put the Frankfurt School's recommendations into practice are jews? And that other institutions promoting the Frankfurt School's recommendations like the advertising industry and the NEA are also controlled by jews And that leading jew supremacist politicians like Jacob Javitz and Emmanuel Cellar working with jewish organizations like the AJC and the ADL have been responsible for mass third world immigration, both legal and illegal?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:30 | 3073227 Flakmeister
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Don't over tighten the chinstrap on your collander, you could cut off the blood flow to your brain....

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:43 | 3071740 orangedrinkandchips
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So this sick fuck and his entire family...(FAMILY DAY AT THE GUN RANGE!) are the ones that are responsible for the ban on guns.....


The gun wasnt sick in the head....The retard was fucked in the head.....


So, ban guns so that the next time a LAW=ABIDING PERSON, perhaps a teacher or someone, is NOT allowed to defend themselves against a perp who HAS A GUN ILLEGALLY AND IS GOING TO KILL YOU WHICH IS ILLEGAL.....


Why dont you just make them tie their arms behind their backs and let the gangbangers have the guns! cut to the chase!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:45 | 3071766 Flakmeister
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If you think the guy was retarded, i.e. slow and mentally dull, you have no fucking idea what autism is...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:51 | 3071798 unrulian
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thanks for the websters version...fucking retarded works for me

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:57 | 3071846 Flakmeister
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It usually does work for people that have closed minds... Hey! if the shoe fits...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:09 | 3071920 unrulian
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thanks dickmeister, you are correct, in this case my mind is closed

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:14 | 3071950 Flakmeister
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And, unfortunately, the key seems to have been thrown away...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:39 | 3074525 TruthHunter
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"fucking retarded works for me"

How about Idiot Savant? He was pretty efficient with that gun!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:44 | 3071753 Serfs Up
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More thrashing about for a simple answer to a complex tragedy.


If people believe they are upset about Sandy Hook, just wait until Bernanke's grand experiment fails; then they'll have something quite magnificent to mourn.  



Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:57 | 3071844 NotApplicable
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Thing is, it'll be known as WWIII.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:44 | 3071757 Flakmeister
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Just wait until all the quasi-functional autistic kids in the pipeline grow up....

The US will be a shooting gallery and it won't be just gangs fighting over drug turf....

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:58 | 3071848 Spastica Rex
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I've been thinking a lot about the sacrosanct American idea that everyone with a disability needs to be integrated at every level of society in the least restrictive way. There are unintended consequences.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:22 | 3072009 Flakmeister
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Tough question, but eugenics has such a bad name...

Maybe if we just dropped off every one that was not quite right in the middle of Death valley the problem would sort it;s self out on its own. You know, load them in a bus and guarentee that it runs out of gas... 

We sure as hell couldn't have the goverment institutionalize them, that would imply redistribution of wealth and moreover, that would deny them their version of liberty and the pursuit of hapiness.... 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:38 | 3072096 Spastica Rex
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Stuff is sure fucked up. Rats in a cage.

Well, like I've said before; maybe warp drive is just around the corner and we can all get to the real work of subduing alien worlds. And kicking alien ass.

To infinity, and beyond.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:58 | 3072226 Flakmeister
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Reductio ad absurdum....

Equivalently, all paths are fraught with peril...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:03 | 3072263 redguard
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if the aliens are aware of us they won't let our crazies (Hitler, Stalin, Mao[and what the hell it's zerohedge Churchill,

Eisenhower.])achieve that level of technology. If they exist we're probably, for their own safety, under quarintine.

But otherraces don't exist.We are the center of the universe and can do what ever we choose.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:57 | 3072212 Race Car Driver
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I say bring back ostracization colonies, escape from NY style.

Wall off a shithole like Detroit or Philly - they're toast already - and throw in the violent misfits who can't behave, get along or mind their own business. They get a handgun, a blanket and some MRE's - after that, they're on their own. No prison/industrial complex necessary to feed/clothe the inmates, no building maintenance.... just a handful of security gaurds policing the perimiter for escapees (even this could be automated). It's fair and compassionate. Colony members are amongst their peers and free to do whatever it is that motivates them and the rest of society is rid of the problem at very little cost. Win/win. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:15 | 3072238 Flakmeister
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Oh goodie, Ghettos without the deathcamps...

A kinder gentler statism if you like...

Not poking fun at you, but the internal contradictions of society are coming full circle...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:59 | 3072239 Spastica Rex
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Penal colonies resulted in Australia.

I like Foster's beer.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:09 | 3072810 trav777
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You're next on the list, mr. physicist

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:15 | 3071969 notadouche
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I have 3 young kids in school and they are surrounded by the mainstreaming of autistic/asperger/adhd whatever and starting in elementary school they have been subject to violent outburst by these children either agianst other children or the teachers.   We had one "minder" of a specific child of a 2nd grader and he knocked her teeth out.   Maybe the pressure of mainstreaming isn't helping.  I know it doesn't help the other children fortunate enough not to be afflicted with these syndromes.  

I know this won't be PC but I wonder if there is a correlation between autism etc.. and fertility specialist, in vitro or whatever.  I'm sure no one is allowed to ask that particular question and get an honest, unemotional response.  Maybe nothing there but there was certainly a quickness to correlate autism to vaccines.  The few children I know with this syndrome are indeed a product of in vitro which is what made me ask the question.  Not trying to be insensitive.  Just asking.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:25 | 3072028 Flakmeister
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I have a number of nieces and nephews afflicted, there is no clear culprit. At least one will have to be institutionalized because of violence (not that he was ever going assimilate into society) 

The connection with vaccines has been shown to be completely false... In fact the author of the famous article retracted the paper....

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:44 | 3072125 notadouche
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Yes I saw that but there are many that still believe the vaccine theory.

 I have 1 nephew that is "diagnosed" adhd at 5 years old and on meds and no fertility problems involved.  I've seen him be violent when he's not the center of attention.  No remorse.  Has a permanent minder at school.  No discipline from parents.  They had him but letting grandparents raise all day everyday but not allowed to be disciplined per parents instuctions.  I would define him more as a narcissistic sociopath in the making.  He doesn't trust me and funny thing is he never misbehaves in front of me.  Now if it were uncontrollable then I have to ask myself why the good behavior in front of me?  Makes me question role of discipline or lack thereof in many cases of ADD or ADHD.  Now not speaking of autism, etc... in this case and hate to generalize all ADD ADHD cases.  But diagnosing 5 year old child that has never been told no with any consequences seems a bit of a reach.  Of course doctors affirmed no disciplining either, just positive affirmation.  

"It's good you wish them into the corn Jimmy.  It's really good."

Twighlight Zone.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:58 | 3072225 Spastica Rex
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I was in public education for 20 some years - as a teacher, a principal, and a state bureaucrat.

Over the years, I was involved in much policy talk and implementation around ADD/ADHD/Etc. To a great extent, much of what is dealt with as pathology is really just elements of the normal range of human behavior - IMO.

That is a very unpopular viewpoint in mainstream public education management.

As many are aware, there are huge profits to be gained medicating children. Many may not be aware, however, that there are also huge profits to be gained in establishing and staffing state systems and programs to deal with behavior as pathology. A majority of the funding for this comes from the Feds.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:08 | 3072286 notadouche
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Well I know we better start finding the solutions instead of just treating the symptoms.  But treating the symptoms is totally the American Way.   Oddly you take 1 pill for one thing then you have to take 3 more pills to offset the affects of taking the one.  Makes a lot of sense to me.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:42 | 3072469 Flakmeister
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There is no profit in finding solutions....

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:08 | 3073764 mjcOH1
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There's a pretty good correlation to single parenting.  Sometimes we don't like the answers.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:13 | 3072829 Rikky
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my 7 year old son has ADD/ADHD and PDD.  if one doesn't think medication helps a person like him try seeing him not on them.  he's prone to wild outbursts but they aren't violent in nature.  not to say they can't mature into that.  it requires 24x7 parenting just to keep this kid somewhat functional and being age apprioriate in school.  he was conceived normally.  there is a history of mental illness on the wife's side, which is probably the culprit most of the time.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:46 | 3071763 Meatballs
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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:04 | 3071776 Mercury
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Firearms technology hasn't noticeably advanced or been made easier to get into peoples' hands since Columbine and yet this kind of thing is becoming more common.


As I mentioned last Friday, my dad used to take his gun to his Connecticut high school along with dozens of other kids every day and fire government subsidized ammunition at the school range.  And nothing like this ever happened. And yes, they had semi-automatic weapons back then.


Among other issues, we now have a whole generation of kids raised on nihilistic, superficial culture (it's all pop now) while loaded up (especially the boys) on psychoactive, prescription drugs.


That said, Sandy Hook could be more of an outlier event and not part of any broader social/cultural trend in the sense that it's probably never been a good idea to encourage your mentally challenged, un-socialized teenage son to get comfortable wielding powerful guns.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:07 | 3071911 Winston Churchill
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i'm not at all surpised.Been expecting it actually.

The baby boomers(if they bothered)procreated children even more narcissistc than themselves.

That progeny has in turn let forth a generation that is borderline sociopathic ,if they

can be bothered to get their heads out of video games and smartphones.

This is going to get much worse.Get used to it.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:23 | 3072013 kaiserhoff
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Wish I could disagree with you Winston, but I can't.

These lazy, spoiled little peckerheads know more about drugs than the local pharmacist, but can't even be bothered to get laid now and then.  No interest at all in adult society.  We live in interesting times.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:47 | 3071780 Fist full of CDOs
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Here we go again... 

The they all sat on the toilet, so should we ban toilets argument... 

The 2nd Ammendment is redundant - we all know it. 

In America, guns kill people - what happens in Switzerland is irrelevant. 


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:19 | 3071981 FeralSerf
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Guns in the hands of the Power Elites' private armies are especially dangerous and are killing people to instill fear.  It's working.   People are afraid.

Keyboards and TV cameras and microphones in the hands of the Power Elites' shills are directing the peoples' attention away from those elites as the perpetrators of those crimes against humanity.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:00 | 3073806 mjcOH1
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"In America, guns kill people - what happens in Switzerland is irrelevant. "

Although you might like it to be's NOT.   Neither are the 1.2 million abortions per year in the US, the 37% of children in single parent families living in poverty (vs 6% in 2 parent families), the 40% of children born in single parent families today (vs 4% in 1930), or the 73% out-of-wedlock birthrate for black children in the US today (as compared to a somewhat less dismal 40% averaged across all races).   Also not irrelevent....letting Jr park his ass in front of a video game to "do the killin'" for 4 hrs or more a day, 365 days a year, because he bitches that all his friends get to "do the killin'" after dutifully popping their ritalin and prozac rations for the day.

The reasons for the constitutional protection on the right to bear arms are still valid, whether or not parents choose to hop up their crazy little fuckers on the latest meds and let them simulate killing hundreds of human beings each night rather than do some parenting.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:47 | 3071781 MOLONAABE
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Ban crazy fuctards

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:51 | 3071799 Seorse Gorog fr...
Seorse Gorog from that Quantum Entanglement Fund. alright_.-'s picture

Ban humans

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:58 | 3071850 prains
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ban O2, reboot 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:37 | 3072088 kill switch
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 Ban Bloomberger with fries and a very large COKE, by the way Keep your feet on the bike pedals.....

The kill switch

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:50 | 3072178 DosZap
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Ban Bloomberger with fries and a very large COKE, by the way Keep your feet on the bike pedals.....

The kill switch

I always am amazed that the LOUDEST SOB's on the GUN CONTROL wagons, are the head knockers in the most crime ridden, highest murder rate cities in America, talking about an OxyMORON.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:25 | 3072023 kaiserhoff
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and day lazy, cunt, livin off alimony, mommas.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:51 | 3071785 jbvtme
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how bout a bad hair cut syndrome?  have the cops interviewed the kid's hair stylist?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:51 | 3071802 alien-IQ
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I don't mind living in a place where you can own a gun. I have no desire to live in a place where you need to own a gun.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:00 | 3071877 imbrbing
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I wonder where that place is.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:15 | 3071968 dobermangang
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It's where all the unicorn live. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:22 | 3071999 FeralSerf
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You probably don't need a gun here.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:22 | 3072008 DosZap
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I don't mind living in a place where you can own a gun. I have no desire to live in a place where you need to own a gun.


Newsflash, NO MATTER where you WANT to live/OR LIVE every day,and night,you are a sitting duck if you are not armed.

People who think otherwise are in DENIAL.

And if you do not realize when you leave your home, you are a potential victim ALSO,in ANY society.

So what do you do to ensure your self defense right given to every human being that is born,that is a Natural Law?.

If your a man, or a female and Head of household it is YOUR DUTY to protect them.

WHY should we expect less from those WE entrust our childrens care to?.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:04 | 3072267 alien-IQ
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So many caps and bold letters...You seem angry.

Perhaps a little too angry to be in possession of a gun?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:52 | 3071804 billwilson
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NO FUCKING KIDDING. In other news the sun rose in the east today.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:00 | 3071874 prains
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It's also quite possible Flance Dieeasy may have taken performance enhancing drugs to profit grotesquely from their use as an athlete but we're still nooooooooooot quite sure yet ???

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:52 | 3071806 DougM
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Everyone of these shootings be perpetrated by dudes who can't get laid.  Legalize and encourage prostitution and you will eliminate this issue almost entirely.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:14 | 3071960 youngman
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Funny...I did a paper on that in college....if everyone could get laid more often there would be less stress...less anger...less drug use and less least in my young mind......I got an F ...I think....but I thought it was a good paper

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:11 | 3072307 notadouche
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Well then do yourself a favor and avoid marriage and children.  You'll get laid a lot more.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:24 | 3072374 Panafrican Funk...
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"Crazy" idea:  let kids who are a little fucked in the head access cannabis indica strains via injestion-based delivery (food/drink).  Sounds like this kid primarily had severe anxiety (probably due to extremely poor diet and lack of exercise).  Indica highs would be a much more natural cure for at least the symptoms he was experiencing.  

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:52 | 3071812 JR
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Here is the story on the enslavement of Europeans because of gun control.

Freedom was crushed by the Red army in East Germany in 1953, Hungary in 1956, and Czechoslovakia in 1968. It would have come a generation earlier, writes Dave Kopel of the Independence Institute, except for one reason: “[T]he Soviet army succeeded in those bloody episodes of subjugation [because] the people of East Germany, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia lacked the arms with which to fight a guerilla war.”

Writes Kopel:

“Indeed, the best testimony to the power of an armed populace is the vigor with which the Warsaw Pact dictatorships enforced gun control. When the Communists took over Bulgaria on September 9, 1944, they immediately confiscated every weapon in private possession.

In East Germany, private gun ownership was outlawed, although citizens were allowed to rent hunting guns for one-day periods.

Immediately after World War II, Hungary was governed by a coalition of democrats and Communists. Preparing the way for a total Communist takeover Laszlo Rajk, the Communist Minister of the Interior, ordered the dissolution of all pistols and hunting clubs, as well as of other organizations which might prove a threat to government power. Rajk claimed he acted "in order to more efficiently protect the democratic system of the state."

Poland, on the other hand, did allow limited ownership of registered target guns with a license from the so-called "Citizen's Militia." In December 1981, Poland's dictator, General Jaruzelski, decided that Solidarnosc had gone too far. He declared martial law, arrested all the pro-democracy leaders he could find, and ordered all firearms and ammunition be turned over to the government.

Nowhere was gun control fiercer than in Rumania. The dictatorship of Nicolai Ceausescu used registration lists to confiscate all firearms in private hands. The government also registered (but did not confiscate) typewriters…

The Ceaucescu regime fell when the Rumanian army turned against the government, and refused to shoot protestors in the streets. Had the Rumanians been well-armed, the population might not have had to endure 45 years of brutal dictatorship, waiting until the regime alienated even the Communist army officers.

In the days following the revolution, Ceaucescu's secret police, the Securitate, waged a vicious counter-revolutionary campaign against the population, much like the one carried out by Manuel Noriega's "Dignity" battalions after the American invasion.

In December 1989, both Panamanian and Rumanian citizens took up arms to defend themselves after their dictatorships were toppled. A fair number of Panamanian citizens already owned guns, and were able to speedily form Vigilance Committees to protect their neighborhoods.

Most Rumanians, though, had never touched a gun until they picked up a Kalashnikov assault rifle from the dead hands of a Securitate soldier. One can only speculate about how many Rumanian citizens were mowed down by Securitate because the citizens lacked the first idea about how to fire an automatic effectively, how to clear a firing chamber jam, or how to use a rifle sight.

Kopel wrote this account just prior to the Soviet collapse. He concluded: “The final story of Eastern Europe is yet to be written. What we do know so far is that the flames of revolution, which now threaten to engulf the Soviet Union itself, were first kindled in the Soviet empire by the brave people of Afghanistan, who took up arms and laid down their lives so that their nation would not perish from the earth.”

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:58 | 3071847 unrulian
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+1 whomever downed arrowed this is a retard...literally figuratively objectively or anyway

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:31 | 3072899 Aurora Ex Machina
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He's lying.


Learn something, fast.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:01 | 3072894 Aurora Ex Machina
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Actually, the Soviets crushed the revolutions because they used fucking tanks and air power, and MANPADS didn't exist then. Jesus, you people are so historically and militarily ignorant, it's painful. The Hungarian revolution was actually successful, until the heavy armour rolled in. Same thing in the Velvet revolution.

Syria has shown just how easy it is to loot / steal / get small arms if they're in general supply, and if you're serious about it, any decent chemist can knock-up anti-personell bombs easily enough; but when the heavy stuff comes in, you need someone else providing material for effective IEDs vrs armour and MANPADS against air superiority.

Learn something already, and ditch the rhetorical ideology. Oh, and the documentary contains dead people, because unlike modern media, they showed it back then. The real cost of war, that is.

23rd October: Revolution starts.

4:00>onwards "During four days of fighting, the Budapest revolutionaries stood their ground, there were heavy losses on both sides..." and then you see footage of a few tanks rolling in; they captured some.

4:51 "The Hungarians thought they'd won their revolution..."

6:40 "Yes, no, yes, no should we use force, then at last, there was the decision to use it" [Kruschev's son]

6:46 "On November 4th, 1956, the Soviet army re-entered Budapest...the American secretary of state told the Russians that as far as they were concerned, Hungary was Soviet"

How DARE you suggest that the counter-Soviet revolutions failed due to lack of arms or lack of fighting skill or lack of courage. You're an ignorant, ignorant fool, lying for your fat-ass ideological games in America. They lost because no civilian force can withstand entire armour & air divisions without outside aid. Even with a few captured tanks, the entire point of an army is supply lines, unlimited gas & ammo and the ability to cycle reinforcements to provide fresh troops at all times. Revolutionaries (non-organised) lack all of these things.

Or did you forget, in your fantasy-land, that America supplied MANPADS and explosives to rebels in Afganistan, Lybia and now Syria? In Lybia, even this wasn't enough, so NATO had to airstrike the crap out of Gaddaffi's forces, and put special-little-elves on the ground. And even then, they barely won, and it took them 4 months longer than expected. In Hungary, for example, America pulled the same shit it pulled in Iraq in 1991 (Marsh Arabs, remember them, and their revolution? OOOPS, America lied, and didn't deliver), by giving faint tones of support, while behind-the-scenes, ramming it up their arse and making damn sure that Soviet high-command / Saddam knew there'd be no repercussions.

Despite Cold War rhetoric by the West espousing a rollback of the domination of Eastern Europe by the USSR, and Soviet promises of the imminent triumph of socialism, national leaders of this period as well as later historians saw the failure of the uprising in Hungary as evidence that the Cold War in Europe had become a stalemate. The Foreign Minister of West Germany recommended that the people of Eastern Europe be discouraged from "taking dramatic action which might have disastrous consequences for themselves." The Secretary-General of NATO called the Hungarian revolt "the collective suicide of a whole people". In a newspaper interview in 1957, Khrushchev commented "support by United States... is rather in the nature of the support that the rope gives to a hanged man." 

Hear that? America & the West. Sold. Them. Out. Just like the Marsh Arabs, just like more than a few happy little revolutions it has cultivated over the last 50 years.


Oh, and JR? Your pitiful analysis of the Soviet revolutions tells me one thing: either you're providing disinfo purely to raise the NRA flag, or you're so ignorant of military doctrine, and history, you shouldn't be allowed near a weapon, ever. You're either a spook or a muppet. Either way, you're disgusting - ignorant or lying, pure scum. May your heart wither and stop.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:04 | 3072989 Flakmeister
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Now that was a righteous bitchslapping..

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:26 | 3073003 Aurora Ex Machina
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That? That's me abiding by the concord, and not snapping at the other side's dogs too much. My full wrath is a little different.


Marsh Arab casualties:

Estimates suggest there were around 400,000 Madan in the 1950s, but that this had dropped to 250,000 by 1991.

There may now be as few as 20,000 living in the marshes.[source, 2003]

This was a population that America promised, repeatedly, military aid if they revolted against Saddam.


JR is either an ex-spook out of the loop and addicted to lying, or so ignorant, this is the only place he can spout his stupidity. Either way; dust.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:54 | 3071823 reader2010
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Yesterday, I visited my local Bass Pro Shop and was shocked n awed by the number of shoppers who were waiting in line to buy their guns. One of the salespersons there told me the wait time could be as long as two hours. Fuck Yeah, America.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:17 | 3071978 dobermangang
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Obama's the best gun salesman ever!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:30 | 3072056 Randall Cabot
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With the jew supremacists Lieberman, Bloomberg, Feinstein, Rendell and Savageweiner close behind!!!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:38 | 3072099 Randall Cabot
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OAKS, Pa. (CBS) — A gun show in Montgomery County drew a huge crowd on Sunday, despite calls for stricter gun control after a shooting rampage at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:46 | 3072144 DosZap
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OAKS, Pa. (CBS) — A gun show in Montgomery County drew a huge crowd on Sunday, despite calls for stricter gun control after a shooting rampage at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut.





 No, it just increased sales,because the sheeple are not stupid, they are ONTO the PTB agenda.





Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:54 | 3071825 walcott
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Stop threatening the american people and get this economy going again.

Prosperity heals and freedom changes minds better than anything.

Threat and prohibition is tyranny.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:55 | 3071834 Wanton1
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Confiscate vaccines.

Let kids grow up normal.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:58 | 3071849 jbvtme
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right.  that kid had bad vaccines written all over him

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:06 | 3071904 notadouche
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Well had he not had a vaccine perhaps he would've been stricken with polio or some other hideous disease that would've physically prevented him from doing such violence.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:09 | 3071925 jbvtme
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might want to consider changing your handle

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:13 | 3072325 notadouche
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Awh give me a chance and read more than one comment before damning my handle.  Albeit your not the first nor will you be the last to point this out.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:15 | 3071963 inevitablecollapse
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exactly - darwin would be proud

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:59 | 3071863 Flakmeister
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Wow, let me guess, you voted Michele Bachmann in the primaries...

You really should get up to speed on stuff..

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:18 | 3072353 AurorusBorealus
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I will post this again.  The rate of autism and other similar types of illnesses spiked dramatically 1 generation after the first vaccines.  One would expect the first cohort to have experienced the initial effects, but it did not.  So what changed between the first cohort and the others.... the most likely cause the sexual revolution of the late 1960s.  People have many more sexual partners early in their lives now than before.  Why could this wave of autism and similar disorders not be caused by a sexually transmitted disease: a virus that infects the fetus possible at the level of RNA, but could also infect the DNA of a fetus?  Has anyone researched this?  NO... why... because this does not celebrate the wonderful freedoms that the baby boomers and feminists have provided for th rest of us.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:38 | 3072449 Panafrican Funk...
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There does seem to be a concerted effort not to actually discover/address the root cause here.  Too much money being made on treatment.  

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:54 | 3072520 WillyGroper
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Why don't you research pthalates or fire retardants in children's clothing? How about that 2 4 D you're getting ready to eat?

Baby boomers again--------find something else for your soapbox or should I say litter box?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:58 | 3071852 1835jackson
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OK I will say it again and slowly so people can get it....





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