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Newtown Shooting: A Syndrome Of A Troubled Society?

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In a concerning shift of sentiment, a majority of Americans, based on a new WaPo-ABC poll, now see the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary as a sign of broader problems in society (as opposed to an 'isolated' incident). While there remains widespread - and intense - opposition to banning the sale of handgunds in general (though high-capacity ammo clip restrictions are just as broadly despised), from the 2007 Virgina Tech shootings to this year's Aurora theater massacre, the poll results below suggest societal problems are becoming ever more critical in our nation's thinking.



Source: Washington Post-ABC Poll


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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:59 | 3071871 Flakmeister
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Yep, we never should have freed the slaves....

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:31 | 3072058 Randall Cabot
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We would never have had slaves if not for the jew supremacist slave traders.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:11 | 3072306 Flakmeister
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You have consistently demonstrated that you are one twisted fuck... or at very best a sick puppy...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:14 | 3072827 Flakmeister
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Google whackadoo, look in the mirror, and get back to us...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:10 | 3072305 AurorusBorealus
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I agree with the sentiment.  However, man has never been able to abide God's law.  For this reason, we have grace.  What the American people have lost is the grace of God.  They are now truly free.. just like that statue of the Madre de las Remeras they worship in New York would have them be.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:59 | 3071853 Drachma
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Get rid of the drugging of our children and the public in general, by chemical pushers and their patrons, and the madness ends. But we know that won't happen. The chemical doping and poisoning will increase. The mental instabilities will increase. The symptoms will manifest with greater frequency and intensity. Then the tyranny comes at the moment of maximum chaos. And most will beg for their enslavement. The cycle continues.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:04 | 3071862 Jugdish
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Alright everyone. Turn your guns over to the Justice Dept so they can sell them to Mexican Drug Cartels. Keep paying you taxes so our dearest most sympathetic president can contunue drone bombing weddings and little children in sw asia, mid-east, and africa. "Defense Spending"

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:59 | 3071864 Cursive
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We could have long arguments about the exact timing of when American society crested and started a downward spiral, but I'd say the decline has been very evident after VJ day.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:17 | 3071977 youngman
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When JFK was shot...that is when I think things changed...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:24 | 3072022 Cursive
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This would be a really interesting ZH poll question.  To be clear, I'm not picking VJ day as the seeds of decline are always with us, much like the cells in our bodies are programmed to fail over time.  All good things must come to an end, but it would be nice if, globally, we could recapture some common decency, collective respect for ourselves and of others and much more modesty.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:12 | 3072317 Flakmeister
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My money is on when RFK was shot...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:53 | 3072960 Stoploss
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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:59 | 3071866 bmusic
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It's a public health issue.  It used to be that we had few qualms about sending mentally unstable, potentially dangerous individuals to a mental institution where they were monitor and/or medicated.  Now they either end up in jail, or live somewhat normal lives up until point they snap.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:06 | 3071902 imbrbing
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Its the everyone gets a participation ribbon syndrome. No one loses.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:02 | 3073879 BidnessMan
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Actually all kinds of kids get "main-streamed" because no child can be left behind. My wife is a public school teacher, and she and the other teachers in her school can instantly tell you of several kids in their school who could easily be the next one. Big increase in autism, personality disorders, on anti-depressants but then can't afford their meds, hostile with no social skills, some seething because of bullying. But everyone has to be treated the same ..... Pretty scary place to work if the school does not have full-time security.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:00 | 3071872 pjvandal
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If Newtown doesn't prompt a look in the mirror, what will it take?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:05 | 3071898 FeralSerf
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So far I have seen no credible evidence that either Lanza or Holmes (in Colorado theatre shooting) did any shooting.

There has been, however, a lot of credible evidence that they were patsies and the shooting was actually done by others that likely had a very evil political agenda.  Nothing adds up if one assumes they were lone assassins.

Killing first graders for a political agenda is about as evil as it gets and likely was chosen to get maximum effect from the nation's flock of sheep.  This is a job perpetrated by the Power Elites to instill maximum fear in the people and direct those people along a predetermined path.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:23 | 3072015 chunga
Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:56 | 3073479 FeralSerf
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I agree that it's pretty difficult to know if much we see and hear is real, but it's often not so difficult to determine many things that cannot be real.  A big "for example" was the destruction of Bldg. #7.   If the power elites are brazen enough to do that, how tough is it for them to murder a classroom full of first graders or a bunch of clueless theatre goers.  There are many details here that cannot be real, likewise with Aurora, CO.  If it's impossible, it didn't happen.

If the SOBs that are causing these horrible acts of terrorism aren't stopped, we and our children won't  have very pleasant lives for the forseeable future.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:07 | 3071906 mr. mirbach
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Before you jump on the Gun Ban wagon, keep in mind that the Police have no duty or obligation to protect citizens. 

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:06 | 3071909 syntaxterror
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World's biggest weapons exporter. Biggest military. Gun obsessed. Multiple massacres per week. Drones flying above.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:12 | 3071928 DrDre
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Only in America people would go as far as blaming psycho-pharmaceuticals before they admit the obvious fact that there are just too many guns around. America is willing to take these horrific casualties for the right to own uncontrolled guns. You can manipulate statistics as much as you want, but shootings are not as frequent in nations where there is less culture for guns and violence.

Now guns and violence are becoming the next great american export.

I find it depressing that instead of mourning people feel the need to rationalize the defense of guns ownership. It is almost like an implicit admission of guilt.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:17 | 3071976 unrulian
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DrDre is that really you?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:24 | 3072024 forwardho
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You can manipulate statistics as much as you want, but shootings are not as frequent in nations where there is less culture for guns and violence.

Not sure on the statistics, but historically those nations have a higher chance of  genocide.

" to disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them"

-George Mason

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:30 | 3072055 notadouche
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I've listened to some of your music and never heard you denounce guns in the lyrics.  What gives?  

What is an "uncontrolled" gun?  

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:33 | 3072068 Sockeye
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"I find it depressing that instead of mourning people feel the need to rationalize the defense of guns ownership."

Well then, why instead of mourning are all the libtards bleating for disarmament of the people? I find that depressing.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:43 | 3072124 Shizzmoney
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It's funny that we don't hear what drugs this kid was on.

Of course not; that would effect bottom lines

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:16 | 3071929 jplotinus
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"you mean like a swarm of hollow points from our hyper-violent govt ("Do as I say-not as I do"-Uncle Sam)"

Precisely, exactly, bingo, etc. The quoted recognition merits elaboration and should not go unnoticed. It entails the starting point of a societal, self examination that eliminates the common storyline that school massacres are incomprehensible.

That is nonsense. Such tragedies fit perfectly into the cultural pattern of a hyper-aggressive and violent society that for Adam Lanza's entire lifetime was spending more public money on militarism than was the rest of the world combined, year in and year out, to and including now.

Wars of aggression, of pretext, of remote drone strikes, irrespective of known presence of civilians, including children, have been justified and shrugged off. Young men and women are sent off to those wars and told to keep quiet about what they saw and did when they return home.

Do people really think a society that does that sort of thing on a continuous basis doesn't do harm to its own social fabric?

Look at the pattern: military weapons, and military dress are a common feature of the massacres.

The people who do vicious acts of violence have a wide range of social condition signals that ease them along the path towards violence. And, the lack of respect for gun control is one of the conditioning factors. The call to vigilance and to arms is just one of many fear-stoking signals we send to each other each and every day.

This and all other Newtown related threads are full of self justifying claims that the way to stop violence is for more people to carry guns.

I wonder if the same posters think the way out of debt is more debt?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:12 | 3071935 Westcoastliberal
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Our societal fabric is disintergrating on a rapidly declining basis.  Extremely violent video games are the accepted norm for teen & young adult entertainment.  And look at prime-time network television.  How many of the cop shows depict multiple murders, with 60-90% of these Female and "on the slab"? And why, tell me why, are the Kardashians and Lindsey Lohan front page news?  Not to mention all those highly-touted "wardrobe malfunctions".

Our government in the US does no better with drone attacks worldwide targeting those the President feels should live no longer and as collateral damage sometimes taking out entire families, including Women & children.

Innocence was lost a long time ago in America and we are seeing the result.

These issues should be addressed before any talk of "gun control" IMHO.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:12 | 3071938 A Lunatic
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The fascists know best how to spend our money, provide for our future, help our poor, educate our children, invest our resources, protect our borders, run our businesses, heal our sick, feed our hungry, and now they wish to school us on the fine art of providing for our individual right to self defense. What could go wrong??

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:13 | 3071945 Joebloinvestor
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When the government downplays TERRORIST ACTIVITY to "workplace violence" and sells guns to cartels, I go deaf to cries about gun control.

The government refuses to control the guns it has control over.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:15 | 3071958 loveyajimbo
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The big gun sales is in response to Obunga's NDAA and exec orders... I fully approve... read them all, then go buy at least an AR, a tactical shotgun and a Glock.  Seriously... this administration is fucked up and there will be civil breakdown.  As far as the retarded kid?  Sure, probably a vaccine... but we need to bring back the asylums and end the PC bullshit.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:30 | 3072039 Almost Solvent
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Then you're incharge of paying to warehouse the retards you fucktard.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:15 | 3071970 sschu
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The people have asked God to leave the schools.  They have also somewhat rejected his presence on a public level.  No prayers in school, denying His existence, violating His decrees.

Without God is there any limit to the depravity of man?  

This is such an old story, reject God and He will depart and leave you to evil of the world.

So sad and so unnecessary.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:22 | 3072010 unrulian
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Thanks sschu, i'm now less intellegent for reading that. the lions share of mens depravity has been perpetuated in the name of God 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:27 | 3072037 A Lunatic
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No, you were pretty fucking stupid before you read that.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:24 | 3072627 francis_sawyer
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God should have been around shielding those kids from the bullets... But instead ~ I guess he was busy working on keeping John Corzine out of prison on account of the fact that Corzine is "Chosen"... God is obviously a busy dude & can't be expected to respond [on the fly] to everything...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:51 | 3072950 sschu
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God was there helping "shielding those kids from the bullets", see the article about Vicki Soto.

Jon Corzine will have his day in court, we can be assured.  Maybe the court will be held in a different place at a different level than you have in mind.

Being one of God's chosen people has not always been that great, ask those folks in Germany and Poland in 1944 how that was going.

Check out Romans 9:20.




Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:23 | 3072018 Village Smithy
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Weren't those children a little too young to have already rejected God?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:02 | 3073486 FeralSerf
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The god of Abraham doesn't have any problem killing small children, just as his chosen people do not.  Remember the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah and The Flood?  

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:06 | 3072281 AurorusBorealus
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I could not agree more.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:18 | 3071984 Goy_Debt_Slave
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783,000 Americans are killed each year by failedsurgeries, deadly prescription drugs and fatal mistakes by medical staff Natural News

In 2010, only 6,009 Americans were murdered by handguns. FBI website

There are approximately 2.1 to 2.5 million instances annually in which Americans use a gun for self defense.
Tell me again why the U.N. is trying to take away our right to defend ourselves from criminals and tyrannical governments? Oh, wait, never mind, they ARE the tyrannical government we need to defend ourselves against?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:44 | 3072131 DosZap
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In 2010, only 6,009 Americans were murdered by handguns.

REMOVE the Drug deals gone bad, and the Gang Bangers head count, and this number is cut 50%.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:03 | 3072268 Cthonic
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Tried your first link and it sent me to a north korea article.  However, point taken, though other sources mention smaller figure (~200k) deaths from avoidable medical errors and preventable infections.  Yes, still dwarfs all intentional homicides (17k in 2008).  By far the largest percentages are due to hospital infections and drug side effects.  CDC doesn't break out these categories in their fast stats, allowing for only 118k in 'accidental' deaths during 2009.

Hearst 2009

Starfield 2000

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:20 | 3071988 TrumpXVI
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Kunstler nailed it in today's essay.

This problem with mal-adjusted males unble to grow into healthy manhood has been a huge problem in the black community for a long time now.  Adam Lanza et. al. exemplify the manifestation of this same problem in the white community.  

We have a serious problem with young men in this culture.  And as Kunstler correctly points out, this is the cumulative result of many, many poor choices over a long period of time.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:32 | 3072062 FeralSerf
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I think you and Kunstler are both shills for the power elites that are behind these awful terror attacks.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:06 | 3072996 Flakmeister
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You clearly have no idea who James Kuntsler is and what he stands for...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:51 | 3073280 FeralSerf
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As always, you're full of shit.  He's another worthless fucking Zionist just like you.

I see you ADLers are on the ball lately working to deflect blame away from the worst terrorist group on Earth.  You're too stupid to realize that this causes many people to wonder, like after 9/11, if perhaps thou protesteth too much.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:15 | 3073515 Flakmeister
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As far as I can tell you think anyone that doesn't exist in the same echo chamber as you is a zionist...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:02 | 3072552 WillyGroper
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Absent fathers, lost son's. No positive male role models.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:24 | 3072020 Optimus Nexus
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This is a sign of the early stages of societal breakdown in our country. The chickens are coming home to roost, and this is just the beginning.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:28 | 3072041 q99x2
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The financial collapse should take care of all the concerns.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:28 | 3072043 alangreedspank
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Good. Perhaps then people can start ponder that only putting innanimate objects such as guns under a state guarded glass bell will do nothing at best and at worst, cause other problems in their societies.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:27 | 3072044 lemonobrien
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here's a nigga's view...

bama cries on tv for da white childrens of newtown; yet, don't gives a shit about brown childern in afganistan and pakistans. he kills childerns everyday and don't give a shit.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:40 | 3072095 dwdollar
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Don't see him crying for Niggas bein capped in da hood either. The Niggas really fucked up by voting for him TWICE.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:55 | 3072208 Disenchanted
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What else would you expect from a house negro?


“The minds of the Romans were very differently prepared for slavery. Oppressed beneath the weight of their own corruption and of military violence, they for a long while preserved the sentiments, or at least the ideas, of their free-born ancestors.” — Edward Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:28 | 3072046 jjsilver
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School Shootings database related to SSRI drugs

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:29 | 3072054 Disenchanted
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From September 2011:  We Are The Monsters We've Been Waiting For


Nevertheless, our culture does bear the scars of that which was ripped from it long ago by civilizing violence, and we have seen our civilization act with similar cruelty - sometimes consciously and sometimes not, and yet always - upon indigenous cultures even to this day. History may, in part, be the erasure of prehistory: the suppression of a distant egalitarian and matriarchal heritage based upon the natural laws of collective aid and the survival of the most sociable. History may actually be jealous to keep that knowledge from us.


William Irwin Thompson writes, in The Time Falling Bodies Take To Light:

For hundreds of thousands of years the culture of women and women's mysteries had been the dominant ideology of humanity. The hominization of the primates in the shift from estrus was a feminine transformation. The rise of a lunar notation and the beginnings of an observed periodicy upon which all human knowledge is based was a feminine creation. Agriculture and the rise of sedentary villages and towns were feminine creations. But civilization and warfare were not; they spelled the end for the Great Mother.... So recent, so revolutionary is that struggle that to this day men have not forgotten, and the slightest stirring of the ancient mother can send them running for their swords and guns.


Thompson then quotes CS Lewis, who names, and owns, in Surprised by Joy our civilization's still anxious state of perpetual revolution: the hive and the anthill we see fully realized the two things that some of us most dread for our own species - the dominance of the female and the dominance of the collective.


If you feel like This isn't the way it's supposed to be, then I think you're right, but I also think it wasn't always thus. And those who say "Socialism is fine in theory, but it goes against human nature," may be mistaking our current sick and misinstructed selves for our natural state. Or maybe soon, under the Singularity, be mistaking the transhuman for the human.


btw this 'society' is already dead to me.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 12:43 | 3074971 Aurora Ex Machina
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This might interest you (yes; Marxist filter applied to it, fully biased source acknowledged).

Wiki, Hippy source, The Dorak affair [spoiler: hoaxes, fakes and fraud aplenty]



Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:33 | 3072072 jjsilver
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Newtown Massacre ... the MAJOR DISCREPANCIES LIST

by Clare Kuehn

1) As yet, we have not seen any concrete evidence that any child died.

2) As yet, parents have not been allowed to see their children. (Photoshopped pictures do
not count.)

3) As of now, I have seen only one unambiguous statement from a grieving parent (Robbie

4) According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother's ID, and it
was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan - who officials say is very cooperative - claims
not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does
such use not qualify as a theft?

5) According to the official story, Adam Lanza was wearing a black outfit with a mask and
bulletproof vest. Why would he want to hide his identity, and why would he wear a
bulletproof vest, if he planned to kill himself?

6) The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon,
and police/FBI say that the school was littered with .223 (rifle) casings. But Adam Lanza was
found dead in the school with only handguns - a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. But
then he could not possibly have been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the
murders. Who did?

7) According to the official story, the killing was tightly confined to two classrooms. But then
why were so many children told to close their eyes while leaving the building?

8 ) Joanne Didonato, the principal's secretary, called in sick on Friday - something she rarely
does. So presumably, she must have been awfully ill. Yet she then felt well enough to give
an interview. "Of all days," she said, emphasizing the strange coincidence.

9) The hospital went into lockdown and cleared four trauma rooms, but received only three
patients, two of them dead children(according to the official story) and one mildly wounded

10) Why were there such persistent reports that Mrs. Lanza was a kindergarten teacher, and
that she died at the school, when the new official story is that she was not connected to the
school and was killed at home?

11) What happened to the report that Adam Lanza's girlfriend and another friend were
missing in New Jersey?

12) What happened to the woodsman in a black jacket and camo pants who was arrested
and handcuffed outside the school? He actually shouted to parents, "It wasn't me." Who was
he and what was he doing there?

13) What happened to the dark van or SUV that the police surrounded in the parking lot, or
the maroon sedan with a blown-out back window they were on the lookout for?

14) The official story is that Nancy Lanza was a gun collector who obeyed the law. But since
20-year-olds are not permitted to buy guns or ammo or carry guns in Connecticut, why
would she give her "autistic" son access to both guns and ammo?

15) Why were parents told on Friday that "if you haven't been reunited with your child by now it's already over"?
Does anyone imagine that real parents of real children would simply say, "Okay, the show's over, let's go home now"?

16) Would real parents of real children really be satisfied with (possibly photoshopped)
pictures of their children? Wouldn't they demand to see their children one last time firsthand?

17) According to the official story, 28 people died but only 1 was wounded. The dead
included 20 small, squirmy children - difficult targets even for professionals. How could Adam
Lanza achieve such amazingly deadly accuracy, in such a short length of time?

18 ) A child asserts that he/she heard someone say, "Put your hands up," followed by the
reply, "Don't shoot." This indicates that the police took a suspect into custody inside the
school. But if that was Adam Lanza, how did he kill himself after that point?

19) Another child asserts that he/she saw a man pinned down to the ground with handcuffs
on. Again, this indicates that the police took a suspect into custody. If that was Adam Lanza,
how did he then kill himself?

20) When Ryan Lanza was falsely identified as the shooter, who deleted his Facebook profile
and created many others in his name?

21) Is it reasonable for a geeky 20-year-old to carry two pistols and hundreds of rounds of
ammunition while wearing a bulletproof vest and a mask?

22) Why did the police say on Friday that they were going to leave the bodies rotting in the
school until Sunday, then Saturday morning announce that they had spirited the bodies away
in the middle of the night? Perhaps to ensure that the transport, if any, would go unrecorded
on photos or video?

23) Why won't police tell us where they found the Henry repeating rifle, the Enfield rifle, and
the shotgun?

24) Did the school have one or more security cameras? What do they show?

25) Why did a police officer specifically mention, on radio, that "they're coming at me
through this wood," followed by a fellow officer saying, "This is it"?

26) One officer in the school said, "We've got one suspect down." Who was that? Down in
this situation generally means in custody(on the ground and cuffed), not dead.

27) Why didn't Adam's uncle see anything out of the ordinary in Adam when the two saw
each other in June?

28 ) Why is Adam Lanza reported to be a loner when a teenager said (oxymoronically),
"[Lanza and his friends] always gathered alone in a corner in school"?

29) Why did police assign an individual state trooper to every grieving family, whether the
family wants such "protection" or not?

30) Why are Ryan Lanza and his roommates still in custody, and why are the police
pretending that it's for their own benefit?

31) Is it a coincidence that Nancy Lanza's brother is Kingston Police Officer James Champion,
who lives next door to the former Lanza home?

32) Since the alleged shooter's father is VP of GE Capital, and (like "Batman shooter" James Holmes's father) was scheduled to testify at the Senate Hearings on the LIBOR scandal, is there a LIBOR connection to this event?

[end excerpt]

Father of Alleged Connecticut Shooter is VP of GE Capital According to Reports

According to ABC and Yahoo news, the alleged shooter at the Sandy Hook Elementary School, Adam Lanza, is the son of Vice President of GE Capital, Peter Lanza. Peter Lanza is also a partner at Ernst & Young, and major accounting firm. The older brother, Ryan Lanza, is also reported to be employed at Ernst & Young.

Peter Lanza, who drove to northern New Jersey to talk to police and the FBI, is a vice president at GE Capital and had been a partner at global accounting giant Ernst & Young.

Adam’s older brother Ryan Lanza, 24, has worked at Ernst & Young for four years, apparently following in his father’s footsteps and carving out a solid niche in the tax practice. He too was interviewed by the FBI. Neither he nor his father is under any suspicion.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:42 | 3072116 jbvtme
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excellent post

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:45 | 3072141 A Lunatic
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We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.-- William Casey, CIA Director

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:58 | 3072218 dexter_morgan
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While I am sympathetic to the suspicion that this is somehow a set up, are they not having funerals for these children today? I would assume the parents have seen them by now? I think some of these questions are a little 'out there'.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:47 | 3072370 WalterWhite
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Ct State Police Lt Paul Vance states in his press conference this morning, when asked whether there was any survailance tapes.

" I dont know...I have no information on that "

WHAT!!!! No information on whether there is a video tape!!!!

Big secret investigation and they dont KNOW whether there is survailance.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:32 | 3072420 paint it red ca...
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And then there is this;

Just what are the odds that 2 potential LIBOR witnesses spawned deranged public shooters who happened to go off within months of one another as well as the LIBOR scandal exposure?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:58 | 3072529 dexter_morgan
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now that IS VERY interesting. But, are you saying these government/corporate TPTB would stoop as low as to kill innocent children?

Oh, sorry.....forgot about fast and furious.......

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 23:17 | 3073652 Little John
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You sir, are a true American.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:46 | 3072092 Arthur Borges
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There is a systemic problem when a country accounting for 5% of the world population also accounts for about 50% of total world spending on arms. Having 88.8 privately-owned firearms per 100 inhabitants also places it far ahead of its nearest competitors and simply reflets that old bit of wisdom about the microcosm being but a carbon copy of the macrocosm. What other country has so many wars afoot right now? What is the impact on civil society of having a higher share of trained experienced killers in your community? How do their attitudes affect people around them? How does that potentiate the effect of shoot-em-up PC games on the subconscious of youth?

It can't be pretty.

Add in the "bottle of courage" effect folks get from various drugs, both legal and illegal.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:55 | 3072211 Spacemoose
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it is not the increase in arms that is causing society's breakdown, but rather it is the breakdown of society which is causing the increase in arms.  i suspect that if you lived in my neighborhood you might have a different perspective on the right of self defense, but in fact your comment implies that you believe that the central state, in its almighty wisdom, should and can decide for all of us, where ever we live, what limits should be placed on our right of self defense. to paraphrase the old saw, the law prohibits a rich person living in a gated community (with bodyguards) as well as the poor living in a crime ridden neighborhood, from carrying a concealed weapon.  people like you are more than willing to sacrifice the poor on an alter of feel good legislation which history has shown time and time again has ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT just so you can feel that something is being done.  and just out of curiousity, do you believe that the right to abortion, or the right to have others pay for your birth control, is a right deserving of greater judicial protection than the right of self defense? 



Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:39 | 3073981 Arthur Borges
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Spacemoose, Whether guns decimate society or decimated society buys more guns is a chicken and egg story.

Actually I live in a low-crime middle/low-income neighborhood. I spent the first 16 years of life in the same sort of neighborhood but with a high crime rate. My parents bought a dog instead of a firearm. That was smart because firearms switch loyalty as fast as they change hands. Dogs also have a heart while guns only have chambers. Then too, the first only has a snout that licks at your face affectionately while the second has a muzzle that churns it into instant mincemeat.

Central government? It may not be perfect, but I am not a shareholder anywhere, so I don't see what corporation will look out for any civic/human rights I might like to keep enjoying; if governments are indeed oftenmost in business for themselves, they nonetheless have a vested interest in affording the citizenry some protection in situations where a corporation will simply delocalize.

On abortion, I don't like it but, as a male, I recuse myself from taking a stand on it. Abortion laws should be drafted and voted by women only. At 64, my sperm count is guaranteed to make a partner and national health systems make big savings on birth control but more generally, most of my experience of healthcare has been in France as a patient, as significant other to a lab physician and her two kids and as language services supplier over a 15-year period. From what I saw and heard, French public hospital care is far less dangerous than the private competition. As for self-defense, I've had only one real threat in the past 40 years since shortly after leaving high school and I simply talked my way out of it. My point is that the way you set up your worldview is the mindjail you get yourself into. If an area of town or specific situation feels dangerous, I just avoid it. On the USA, it's a coast-to-coast free fire zone so I moved on to places where you walk along a riverside at any time of day or night, where kids can play outside with minimal supervision and where shops keep the proceeds from sales in a shoebox with no CCTV surveillance needed.

But ownership of a handgun? It would involve an expense, registration, maintenance, secure storage facility, regular target practic and training in how not to have it taken from me in a close encounter. I would rather spend the time, effort and money organizing beer parties to build a safety net by buddying up with neighbors. Mind you, I did have one friend who did target practice regularly and, when she described the state of mind she had to go into in order to aim accurately, it sounded much like the sort of state of mind you get from Zen meditation. Zen remains cheaper though and invariably harmless to the practitioner and anyone around him. It also crosses borders effortlessly and I love to travel.

So far, the incident that scared me most was the day I took some commuter train down to Miami Airport. I was alone in the railway car when two suitably tall and burly troopers in Smokey-the-Bear hats and holstered sidearms came heading straight for me. I was about to throw my hands up in the air and swear I didn't do it but chickened out and shut up until they stopped right in front of me and one of the said: "Ticket!" My jaw dropped down to my groin as I realized they were train conductors. Like, I had already crossed several countries facing insurgencies and stratospheric robbery rates, but never ever had I seen armed ticket conductors.



Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:51 | 3074030 MeelionDollerBogus
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I bet if you split "total world spending on arms" between "personal use" and "military deployed hardware" that would paint a more accurate picture.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:00 | 3072094 Arthur Borges
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Duplicate of post above -- Sorry folks!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:43 | 3072118 Shizzmoney
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TPTB won't like this survey.

At least there is some hope out there that ppl will wake up.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:58 | 3072217 AurorusBorealus
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We should approach this problem correctly... rationally... as a sociologist in the vein of Emile Durkheim would.  First, what do these events have in common... 1) they are generally committed with guns.  To focus exclusively on this simularity, misses the other commonalities.  2)  These acts are committed by people who are in the early stages of developing a personality disorder... oftentimes schizophrenia or a form a mania.  3)  These acts are committed by men.  4)  These acts are committed by men who do not excel in athletics or in school... they are "geeks.  5) In most cases, the gunman choose their own schools to target.  6) They view this as an act of justice or retribution.  7)  This is a recent phenomenon and is growing in tendency.

We can conclude from this that the schools are failing the boys, especially the boys who do not excel at athletics.  The book to read on this subject is the War Against Boys, by a reformed feminist who saw the error of her ways after marrying and having 2 sons.  The pedagogy and the curriculum have been captured entirely by feminists (and 85% of public school teachers are female) and revamped to suit female students only, alienating the boys (one can see this clearly in the rates of college admission, which are now heavily slanted in favor of young women).

The same result in the families (75% plus or minus of divorces are initiated by women often leaving children in very difficult situations).  Feminism has had such a pervavise and perverse influence on society and in such a short time.  Nothing, not Marxism, not socialism, not Nazism, not international bankers, no event in history, nothing has had such a profound and rapid effect on the social order of the West. Yet no one questions feminism.  The only thing that one reads about feminism is how wonderful it has all been.  The fact of the matter is the entire social order has been turned upside down, from a set of institutions that functioned (the family... the school... and the church) to a set of institutions in a state of dysfunction... producing demonlike children.  The culprit... in one word... feminism.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:44 | 3072479 Arthur Borges
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Aurorus, I follow you some of the way. However, I'd love input on the share of Americans who are on Luvox (R) and other psychotropics; one study claimed 25% of Americans suffered from a mental disorder -- one more reason restrict gun ownership to water pistols, which would make police officers less triggerhappy in the long run.

Schools? In my downmarket childhood neighborhood of Brooklyn, the kids hated two symbols of authority: cops and teachers; teachers make easier targets. However, yes, public school systems have always failed children: their purpose has been to teach kids to sit still and fill in forms so that they can get nice clean clerical jobs with a desk near the electric heater when they grow up.

Recent trend? Back in the 1980s, the son of Pres. Reagan's lawyer threw a tantrum one day and shot his mother to death because she wouldn't give him the car keys because he was only 13; the event triggered a slew of copycat killings. Nothing new at all. We could reach back just over a century when Indians were considered game animals for all practical hunting purposes.

On feminism, yikes... too long a topic to handle here. Suffice to say that if gold is so highly coveted, it is because women love it and the male of species wants to bed as many as he can. Now that gold is so topical an issue, we might meditate that for awhile, especially here.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:00 | 3072237 Body of Lies
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It was pure evil that did this ... there is good and evil in this world and it is high time to declare evil when it exists. There are more and more people that remove morality from the equation and discussion and we are left scrambling for answers.  Evil should be punished as a deterrent to others:

Rape => Castration

Child Molestation => Castration or death

Murder => Death

Theft => Repay loss four times over

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:10 | 3072304 1eyedman
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cognitive disonance on a societal scale....

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:15 | 3072336 Steve in Greensboro
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This is typical leftism.  Step 1) Identify an imaginary problem.  Step 2) Create a completely utopian, wrong-headed "fix" that creates a real problem.  Step 3) Create an even worse (and completely utopian, wrong-headed) "fix" to "cure" the problem created in Step 2.

Step 1) The crazy are institutionalized in the 1960s and prior.  This is wrong!  Being crazy is just a lifestyle choice!  And how different is it from dropping acid?

Step 2) We will deinstitutionalize the crazy because we liked the movie "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" (or something).  This creates massive problems with homelessness and violence from the crazy.  But that doesn't matter to leftists, because they can wallow in the warm glow of self-satisfaction from having done the "right thing".  Never mind the havoc that deinstituionalization has created.  All right-thinking people agree with leftists.

Step 3) Solve the problem created by violent crazy deinstitutionalized by....(you guessed it)...gun control!  Yep, that will fix everything.

Repeat as until every area of freedom is foreclosed by government.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:08 | 3072574 Arthur Borges
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Read up on R.D. Laing and David Cooper, two "anti-psychiatrist" psychiatrists who argued something along your lines and worked to keep folks out of institutional. To oversimplify, they argued that society was insane and needed to lock up a few that everybody could point to as proof of their sanity.

Several notable folks have said that insanity was a perfectly healthy reaction to an insane society and I'm afraid that if some venerate Dr. Sigmund Freud, he thought most of us were total trash.

Now let me get back to my padded cell and shut the door before the purple butterflies find me.

Have a great day folks!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:15 | 3072338 WillyGroper
Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:20 | 3072358 Aliblahblah
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Of course no one bats an eye at the fact that "The average child will watch 8,000 murders on TV before finishing elementary school."

or that kids watch and play hours and hours of mayhem aka







So is it so surprising that life imitates 'art' when the US entertainment industry breeds a generation of predisposed psychos and the 'warrior mentality' of the current social fabric endorses that?


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:25 | 3072383 AurorusBorealus
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Young men (16, 17, 18, 19) have been returning from wars, in which they actually killed people in addition to watching their friends die, for some time (including, for example, the U.S. Civil War).  They did not respond to this by walking into buildings and shooting innocent children.  I think you will have to search elsewhere for your cause than violence on TV or in video games.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:40 | 3072923 Sandmann
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No they usually kill their wives......

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:33 | 3072419 MFLTucson
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Newtown Shooting: A Syndrome Of A Troubled Society?


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:50 | 3072739 monad
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This story has issues. Supposedly this mentally ill man's mother took care of him all his life, knew him best, and suddenly decides to splurge on '3 automatic weapons' for Christmas? Too bad we can't ask her wtf she was thinking... Why hasn't the media given this guy's doctor the 3rd degree, if only because they are self-serving scum one iota above lobbyists? KAL007. Politically expedient human sacrifice to expunge the deaths of civilians. Such as Obama blew away a school in Pakistan, so to appease some backward savage warlords, he blew away one of ours. The spice must flow, right?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 23:16 | 3073641 Little John
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nice rant

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:03 | 3073754 c-rev with a twist
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Great insights- well said, including the reference to Dune.  

Some report said that his mother once told a neighbor who came over to watch him when she was busy to 'never turn your back on him'.  What the hell?  This suggests she knew he at the least had some form of psychosis and was hiding him away from the world in the hopes that he wouldn't go bat shit one day, and we now know how that worked out.  This kind of problem is not one caused by too many evil movies or tv shows people.  This is something you're born with, and probably diagnosed with at a fairly young age when mommy turned around that little dickens had a noose around her neck.  This is not a societal problem, but a tragic error in judgement by his mother.  The fact that she exposed him to weapons... OMG.  


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 12:25 | 3074898 monad
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Anyone who doesn't secure their weapons is stupid, not a prepper. Preppers don't advertise, they stack quietly stack, and definitely don't tell their children. There is reasonable doubt that this "story" is anything but a gift to Obama by friends of Clinton, from the same spies & traitors who gave the Clintons' their much too convenient death list. Gift wrapped. I don't know what happened. The children died, the rest is Reichstag spin. Leave it to Holder to bury the truth in Leiberman's backyard.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:25 | 3073811 IamtheREALmario
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I guess that we cannot expect any truth and investigation from the propagadist media in a world where our politicians are afraid of their own shadow.

However, it would be nice if they mentioned that there were weapons found on the scene in addition to those owned by the claimed shooter's mother and that a man dressed in fatigues and a black jacket was found hiding in the woods near the school (and claiming he did not do it ... what did he know about what he did not do????) was taken into custody by police.

We can file this with the odd placement of a gas mask behind the theater in Colorado and the claimed shooter was so drugged up he had no clue who he was ...

And the claims by all of those at the Sikh temple that there was another shooter.

Sharped-dressed man, "pull it",  no evidence that a plane hit that room full of auditors and records, the man who helped rent the truck.

Satan's bankers and minions have been busy.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:57 | 3073871 KingTut
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If you have not read "We need to talk about Kevin", and want to understand what happened, you have to.  I shut the movie off after a few minutes ... but read the book, it's important.

The biggest mistake we make is turning a patheic worm like Adma Lanza into the WOLRD'S MOST FAMOUS PERSON, for at least a week.  Obama himself has exhalted the memory of this lamentalbe excuse for a human. These people are NOT the product of their environment, they are NOT telling us anything about our society.  They are profoundly flawed humans, who understand that the only way they make a mark on humanity is to commit a savage disgusting act.  And our friends in the MSM provide as much glory and fame as any deranged soul could ever dream of.  Ask yourself who receives more attention than these perverted assasins?  Romney and Obama at the height of the campaign?  About the same I'd say.  That is their motivation, period.  They KNOW they are worthless, and ALWAYS will be worthless, but at least they can become famous.  And by publicizing this shit over and over, you will only breed more of these annimals.

Ask yourself what if Adam had got drunk, and slamed his car into a school bus carrying all the same teachers and children killing them all?  For the families the tragedy is the same. it's just as senseless, cruel, heart breaking and life altering.  But will we hear about it 1000 times a day for a week? No of course not. We hear about Adam, we glorify Adam.  I want to puke.

Of course, the news agencies deliver ratings not news, so we have only ourselves to blame.  I am disgusted by the lurid voyeurism we all display for this pathetic soul.  I change the channel when it comes on, I can't stand it.  We are glorifying this act, and thereby creating 10 more Adams looking for salvation in their 15 minutes of fame, which turns into 15 days of global fame and glory.  The more digusting the murder, the higher the body count the better.  They dream of forensics experts detailing their the every act on 500 channels of telelvision in 100 languages.  Pointing out how clever the assasin was, how thoughtful, how methodical and analytic.  What fools!

I wish my species were not so stupid, but it is and always has been.  Today we are not allowed to satisfy our blood-lust at the Coluseum, so we must settle for the vicarious televised thrill.  But if we choose not to publicize this, it will take away the fame and glory, and will disappear over time.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:26 | 3074308 CoolBeans
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Good post, thank you.

The shooter was also able to carry out his demonic deed because his mother was a horrifically irresponsible gun owner (understatement).  She knew the state of this kid's mind, as much as a parent can know -- and yet didn't keep her gun collection locked up securely.  Tragic.  If she were alive, she should have been charged with being an accessory.

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