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Newtown Shooting: A Syndrome Of A Troubled Society?

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In a concerning shift of sentiment, a majority of Americans, based on a new WaPo-ABC poll, now see the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary as a sign of broader problems in society (as opposed to an 'isolated' incident). While there remains widespread - and intense - opposition to banning the sale of handgunds in general (though high-capacity ammo clip restrictions are just as broadly despised), from the 2007 Virgina Tech shootings to this year's Aurora theater massacre, the poll results below suggest societal problems are becoming ever more critical in our nation's thinking.

 

 

Source: Washington Post-ABC Poll

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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:13 | 3072829 Rikky
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my 7 year old son has ADD/ADHD and PDD.  if one doesn't think medication helps a person like him try seeing him not on them.  he's prone to wild outbursts but they aren't violent in nature.  not to say they can't mature into that.  it requires 24x7 parenting just to keep this kid somewhat functional and being age apprioriate in school.  he was conceived normally.  there is a history of mental illness on the wife's side, which is probably the culprit most of the time.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:46 | 3071763 Meatballs
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DUH.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:04 | 3071776 Mercury
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Yes.

 

Firearms technology hasn't noticeably advanced or been made easier to get into peoples' hands since Columbine and yet this kind of thing is becoming more common.

 

As I mentioned last Friday, my dad used to take his gun to his Connecticut high school along with dozens of other kids every day and fire government subsidized ammunition at the school range.  And nothing like this ever happened. And yes, they had semi-automatic weapons back then.

 

Among other issues, we now have a whole generation of kids raised on nihilistic, superficial culture (it's all pop now) while loaded up (especially the boys) on psychoactive, prescription drugs.

 

That said, Sandy Hook could be more of an outlier event and not part of any broader social/cultural trend in the sense that it's probably never been a good idea to encourage your mentally challenged, un-socialized teenage son to get comfortable wielding powerful guns.

 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:07 | 3071911 Winston Churchill
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i'm not at all surpised.Been expecting it actually.

The baby boomers(if they bothered)procreated children even more narcissistc than themselves.

That progeny has in turn let forth a generation that is borderline sociopathic ,if they

can be bothered to get their heads out of video games and smartphones.

This is going to get much worse.Get used to it.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:23 | 3072013 kaiserhoff
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Wish I could disagree with you Winston, but I can't.

These lazy, spoiled little peckerheads know more about drugs than the local pharmacist, but can't even be bothered to get laid now and then.  No interest at all in adult society.  We live in interesting times.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:47 | 3071780 Fist full of CDOs
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Here we go again... 

The they all sat on the toilet, so should we ban toilets argument... 

The 2nd Ammendment is redundant - we all know it. 

In America, guns kill people - what happens in Switzerland is irrelevant. 

 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:19 | 3071981 FeralSerf
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Guns in the hands of the Power Elites' private armies are especially dangerous and are killing people to instill fear.  It's working.   People are afraid.

Keyboards and TV cameras and microphones in the hands of the Power Elites' shills are directing the peoples' attention away from those elites as the perpetrators of those crimes against humanity.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:00 | 3073806 mjcOH1
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"In America, guns kill people - what happens in Switzerland is irrelevant. "

Although you might like it to be irrelevent..it's NOT.   Neither are the 1.2 million abortions per year in the US, the 37% of children in single parent families living in poverty (vs 6% in 2 parent families), the 40% of children born in single parent families today (vs 4% in 1930), or the 73% out-of-wedlock birthrate for black children in the US today (as compared to a somewhat less dismal 40% averaged across all races).   Also not irrelevent....letting Jr park his ass in front of a video game to "do the killin'" for 4 hrs or more a day, 365 days a year, because he bitches that all his friends get to "do the killin'" after dutifully popping their ritalin and prozac rations for the day.

The reasons for the constitutional protection on the right to bear arms are still valid, whether or not parents choose to hop up their crazy little fuckers on the latest meds and let them simulate killing hundreds of human beings each night rather than do some parenting.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:47 | 3071781 MOLONAABE
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Ban crazy fuctards

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:51 | 3071799 Seorse Gorog fr...
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Ban humans

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:58 | 3071850 prains
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ban O2, reboot 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:37 | 3072088 kill switch
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 Ban Bloomberger with fries and a very large COKE, by the way Keep your feet on the bike pedals.....

The kill switch

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:50 | 3072178 DosZap
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Ban Bloomberger with fries and a very large COKE, by the way Keep your feet on the bike pedals.....

The kill switch

I always am amazed that the LOUDEST SOB's on the GUN CONTROL wagons, are the head knockers in the most crime ridden, highest murder rate cities in America, talking about an OxyMORON.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:25 | 3072023 kaiserhoff
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and day lazy, cunt, livin off alimony, mommas.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:51 | 3071785 jbvtme
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how bout a bad hair cut syndrome?  have the cops interviewed the kid's hair stylist?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:51 | 3071802 alien-IQ
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I don't mind living in a place where you can own a gun. I have no desire to live in a place where you need to own a gun.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:00 | 3071877 imbrbing
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I wonder where that place is.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:15 | 3071968 dobermangang
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It's where all the unicorn live. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:22 | 3071999 FeralSerf
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You probably don't need a gun here.

http://www.sthelena.se/tour/index.htm

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:22 | 3072008 DosZap
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I don't mind living in a place where you can own a gun. I have no desire to live in a place where you need to own a gun.

 

Newsflash, NO MATTER where you WANT to live/OR LIVE every day,and night,you are a sitting duck if you are not armed.

People who think otherwise are in DENIAL.

And if you do not realize when you leave your home, you are a potential victim ALSO,in ANY society.

So what do you do to ensure your self defense right given to every human being that is born,that is a Natural Law?.

If your a man, or a female and Head of household it is YOUR DUTY to protect them.

WHY should we expect less from those WE entrust our childrens care to?.

 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:04 | 3072267 alien-IQ
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So many caps and bold letters...You seem angry.

Perhaps a little too angry to be in possession of a gun?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:52 | 3071804 billwilson
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NO FUCKING KIDDING. In other news the sun rose in the east today.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:00 | 3071874 prains
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It's also quite possible Flance Dieeasy may have taken performance enhancing drugs to profit grotesquely from their use as an athlete but we're still nooooooooooot quite sure yet ???

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:52 | 3071806 DougM
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Everyone of these shootings be perpetrated by dudes who can't get laid.  Legalize and encourage prostitution and you will eliminate this issue almost entirely.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:14 | 3071960 youngman
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Funny...I did a paper on that in college....if everyone could get laid more often there would be less stress...less anger...less drug use and less violence...at least in my young mind......I got an F ...I think....but I thought it was a good paper

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:11 | 3072307 notadouche
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Well then do yourself a favor and avoid marriage and children.  You'll get laid a lot more.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:24 | 3072374 Panafrican Funk...
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"Crazy" idea:  let kids who are a little fucked in the head access cannabis indica strains via injestion-based delivery (food/drink).  Sounds like this kid primarily had severe anxiety (probably due to extremely poor diet and lack of exercise).  Indica highs would be a much more natural cure for at least the symptoms he was experiencing.  

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:52 | 3071812 JR
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Here is the story on the enslavement of Europeans because of gun control.

Freedom was crushed by the Red army in East Germany in 1953, Hungary in 1956, and Czechoslovakia in 1968. It would have come a generation earlier, writes Dave Kopel of the Independence Institute, except for one reason: “[T]he Soviet army succeeded in those bloody episodes of subjugation [because] the people of East Germany, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia lacked the arms with which to fight a guerilla war.”

Writes Kopel:

“Indeed, the best testimony to the power of an armed populace is the vigor with which the Warsaw Pact dictatorships enforced gun control. When the Communists took over Bulgaria on September 9, 1944, they immediately confiscated every weapon in private possession.

In East Germany, private gun ownership was outlawed, although citizens were allowed to rent hunting guns for one-day periods.

Immediately after World War II, Hungary was governed by a coalition of democrats and Communists. Preparing the way for a total Communist takeover Laszlo Rajk, the Communist Minister of the Interior, ordered the dissolution of all pistols and hunting clubs, as well as of other organizations which might prove a threat to government power. Rajk claimed he acted "in order to more efficiently protect the democratic system of the state."

Poland, on the other hand, did allow limited ownership of registered target guns with a license from the so-called "Citizen's Militia." In December 1981, Poland's dictator, General Jaruzelski, decided that Solidarnosc had gone too far. He declared martial law, arrested all the pro-democracy leaders he could find, and ordered all firearms and ammunition be turned over to the government.

Nowhere was gun control fiercer than in Rumania. The dictatorship of Nicolai Ceausescu used registration lists to confiscate all firearms in private hands. The government also registered (but did not confiscate) typewriters…

The Ceaucescu regime fell when the Rumanian army turned against the government, and refused to shoot protestors in the streets. Had the Rumanians been well-armed, the population might not have had to endure 45 years of brutal dictatorship, waiting until the regime alienated even the Communist army officers.

In the days following the revolution, Ceaucescu's secret police, the Securitate, waged a vicious counter-revolutionary campaign against the population, much like the one carried out by Manuel Noriega's "Dignity" battalions after the American invasion.

In December 1989, both Panamanian and Rumanian citizens took up arms to defend themselves after their dictatorships were toppled. A fair number of Panamanian citizens already owned guns, and were able to speedily form Vigilance Committees to protect their neighborhoods.

Most Rumanians, though, had never touched a gun until they picked up a Kalashnikov assault rifle from the dead hands of a Securitate soldier. One can only speculate about how many Rumanian citizens were mowed down by Securitate because the citizens lacked the first idea about how to fire an automatic effectively, how to clear a firing chamber jam, or how to use a rifle sight.

Kopel wrote this account just prior to the Soviet collapse. He concluded: “The final story of Eastern Europe is yet to be written. What we do know so far is that the flames of revolution, which now threaten to engulf the Soviet Union itself, were first kindled in the Soviet empire by the brave people of Afghanistan, who took up arms and laid down their lives so that their nation would not perish from the earth.”

 http://www.davekopel.com/2a/mags/crcommst.htm

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:58 | 3071847 unrulian
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+1 whomever downed arrowed this is a retard...literally figuratively objectively or anyway

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:31 | 3072899 Aurora Ex Machina
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He's lying.

 

Learn something, fast.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:01 | 3072894 Aurora Ex Machina
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Actually, the Soviets crushed the revolutions because they used fucking tanks and air power, and MANPADS didn't exist then. Jesus, you people are so historically and militarily ignorant, it's painful. The Hungarian revolution was actually successful, until the heavy armour rolled in. Same thing in the Velvet revolution.

Syria has shown just how easy it is to loot / steal / get small arms if they're in general supply, and if you're serious about it, any decent chemist can knock-up anti-personell bombs easily enough; but when the heavy stuff comes in, you need someone else providing material for effective IEDs vrs armour and MANPADS against air superiority.

Learn something already, and ditch the rhetorical ideology. Oh, and the documentary contains dead people, because unlike modern media, they showed it back then. The real cost of war, that is.

23rd October: Revolution starts.

4:00>onwards "During four days of fighting, the Budapest revolutionaries stood their ground, there were heavy losses on both sides..." and then you see footage of a few tanks rolling in; they captured some.

4:51 "The Hungarians thought they'd won their revolution..."

6:40 "Yes, no, yes, no should we use force, then at last, there was the decision to use it" [Kruschev's son]

6:46 "On November 4th, 1956, the Soviet army re-entered Budapest...the American secretary of state told the Russians that as far as they were concerned, Hungary was Soviet"

How DARE you suggest that the counter-Soviet revolutions failed due to lack of arms or lack of fighting skill or lack of courage. You're an ignorant, ignorant fool, lying for your fat-ass ideological games in America. They lost because no civilian force can withstand entire armour & air divisions without outside aid. Even with a few captured tanks, the entire point of an army is supply lines, unlimited gas & ammo and the ability to cycle reinforcements to provide fresh troops at all times. Revolutionaries (non-organised) lack all of these things.

Or did you forget, in your fantasy-land, that America supplied MANPADS and explosives to rebels in Afganistan, Lybia and now Syria? In Lybia, even this wasn't enough, so NATO had to airstrike the crap out of Gaddaffi's forces, and put special-little-elves on the ground. And even then, they barely won, and it took them 4 months longer than expected. In Hungary, for example, America pulled the same shit it pulled in Iraq in 1991 (Marsh Arabs, remember them, and their revolution? OOOPS, America lied, and didn't deliver), by giving faint tones of support, while behind-the-scenes, ramming it up their arse and making damn sure that Soviet high-command / Saddam knew there'd be no repercussions.

Despite Cold War rhetoric by the West espousing a rollback of the domination of Eastern Europe by the USSR, and Soviet promises of the imminent triumph of socialism, national leaders of this period as well as later historians saw the failure of the uprising in Hungary as evidence that the Cold War in Europe had become a stalemate. The Foreign Minister of West Germany recommended that the people of Eastern Europe be discouraged from "taking dramatic action which might have disastrous consequences for themselves." The Secretary-General of NATO called the Hungarian revolt "the collective suicide of a whole people". In a newspaper interview in 1957, Khrushchev commented "support by United States... is rather in the nature of the support that the rope gives to a hanged man." 

Hear that? America & the West. Sold. Them. Out. Just like the Marsh Arabs, just like more than a few happy little revolutions it has cultivated over the last 50 years.

 

Oh, and JR? Your pitiful analysis of the Soviet revolutions tells me one thing: either you're providing disinfo purely to raise the NRA flag, or you're so ignorant of military doctrine, and history, you shouldn't be allowed near a weapon, ever. You're either a spook or a muppet. Either way, you're disgusting - ignorant or lying, pure scum. May your heart wither and stop.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:04 | 3072989 Flakmeister
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Now that was a righteous bitchslapping..

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:26 | 3073003 Aurora Ex Machina
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That? That's me abiding by the concord, and not snapping at the other side's dogs too much. My full wrath is a little different.

 

Marsh Arab casualties:

Estimates suggest there were around 400,000 Madan in the 1950s, but that this had dropped to 250,000 by 1991.

There may now be as few as 20,000 living in the marshes.[source, 2003]

This was a population that America promised, repeatedly, military aid if they revolted against Saddam.

 

JR is either an ex-spook out of the loop and addicted to lying, or so ignorant, this is the only place he can spout his stupidity. Either way; dust.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:54 | 3071823 reader2010
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Yesterday, I visited my local Bass Pro Shop and was shocked n awed by the number of shoppers who were waiting in line to buy their guns. One of the salespersons there told me the wait time could be as long as two hours. Fuck Yeah, America.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:17 | 3071978 dobermangang
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Obama's the best gun salesman ever!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:30 | 3072056 Randall Cabot
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With the jew supremacists Lieberman, Bloomberg, Feinstein, Rendell and Savageweiner close behind!!!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:38 | 3072099 Randall Cabot
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OAKS, Pa. (CBS) — A gun show in Montgomery County drew a huge crowd on Sunday, despite calls for stricter gun control after a shooting rampage at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut.

 

 

 

 

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/12/16/connecticut-school-shooting-doesnt-deter-crowd-at-gun-show-in-montgomery-county/   

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:46 | 3072144 DosZap
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OAKS, Pa. (CBS) — A gun show in Montgomery County drew a huge crowd on Sunday, despite calls for stricter gun control after a shooting rampage at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut.

 

 

 

 

 

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/12/16/connecticut-school-shooting-doesnt-deter-crowd-at-gun-show-in-montgomery-county/    

 

 

 No, it just increased sales,because the sheeple are not stupid, they are ONTO the PTB agenda.

 

 

 

 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:54 | 3071825 walcott
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Stop threatening the american people and get this economy going again.

Prosperity heals and freedom changes minds better than anything.

Threat and prohibition is tyranny.

 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:55 | 3071834 Wanton1
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Confiscate vaccines.

Let kids grow up normal.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:58 | 3071849 jbvtme
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right.  that kid had bad vaccines written all over him

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:06 | 3071904 notadouche
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Well had he not had a vaccine perhaps he would've been stricken with polio or some other hideous disease that would've physically prevented him from doing such violence.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:09 | 3071925 jbvtme
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might want to consider changing your handle

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:13 | 3072325 notadouche
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Awh give me a chance and read more than one comment before damning my handle.  Albeit your not the first nor will you be the last to point this out.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 15:15 | 3071963 inevitablecollapse
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exactly - darwin would be proud

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:59 | 3071863 Flakmeister
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Wow, let me guess, you voted Michele Bachmann in the primaries...

You really should get up to speed on stuff..

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:18 | 3072353 AurorusBorealus
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I will post this again.  The rate of autism and other similar types of illnesses spiked dramatically 1 generation after the first vaccines.  One would expect the first cohort to have experienced the initial effects, but it did not.  So what changed between the first cohort and the others.... the most likely cause the sexual revolution of the late 1960s.  People have many more sexual partners early in their lives now than before.  Why could this wave of autism and similar disorders not be caused by a sexually transmitted disease: a virus that infects the fetus possible at the level of RNA, but could also infect the DNA of a fetus?  Has anyone researched this?  NO... why... because this does not celebrate the wonderful freedoms that the baby boomers and feminists have provided for th rest of us.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:38 | 3072449 Panafrican Funk...
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There does seem to be a concerted effort not to actually discover/address the root cause here.  Too much money being made on treatment.  

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:54 | 3072520 WillyGroper
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Why don't you research pthalates or fire retardants in children's clothing? How about that 2 4 D you're getting ready to eat?

Baby boomers again--------find something else for your soapbox or should I say litter box?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:58 | 3071852 1835jackson
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OK I will say it again and slowly so people can get it....

 

We....have...walked....away....from....God's.....laws......

 

 

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