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Returns Since Tepper's "Balls To The Wall" Speech: Gold +31%, S&P500 +23%

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We suspect even the CNBC anchors were somewhat taken aback by the babbling of the now infamous David Tepper this morning. A lot of bluster to basically tell us not to fight the Fed and ride the wave - as far as 'mistakes' in the past "Hi Mom" and "my friend likes your friend" was the omnipotent manager's response. However, Tepper's main thesis, reiterating his September 2010 speech, that 'all voluntary action abandon to the Fed, ye who trade these manipulated markets' remain in place. So how has that worked out for i) Tepper, and ii) those who continue to refuse to yield to Central Bank authority? See below...

 

The full Tepper speech:

 


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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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Looks like gold has a ways to go down on this correlation trade.  

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:15 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Correlated to each other...or to a third variable?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:24 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Hey Tepper... "Balls [my] to the mouth [yours]"...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:49 | Link to Comment Enslavethechild...
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Yeah, so the  Bankers have their cocks out. Good time to tar and feather them

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 12:49 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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Gold outperformed S&P, even when Gold has been held in check (down) by big banks to control their ponzi, and S&P has been bid rigged (up) by gov't sponsored HFT's.  What does that say about how bad the system really is?

Tepper is an idiot, IMO.  He's not telling the full story of what kind of a "fund" he operates.  I don't buy it - one day it will be revealed.........

 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 11:05 | Link to Comment indygo55
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At 3:50 he says with the Senate package theres no way the debt to GDP is going up for ten years. Huh?  Really? With a trillion plus added this and every year into the future to the debt how does that work out? Is he in on it?

 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:47 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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The purchase of gold with fiat is a short on all fiats.

All gold purchasers are 'fighting the Fed' and every central bank except a few in SE Asia and some that are beginning to build central bank gold stockpiles for their balance sheets and/or soverign wealth funds.

No chart will reflect the big advantage that gold purchases have except in hindsight. There will be a ramp up in gold against fiats as long as central banks hold real interest rates negative... even though most soverigns are attempting to cap PM prices. Mr Market is winning.

So, imo... anyone that has 'fought the Fed' by purchase of PMs for the last ~ 11 years is winning the fight to this point in time. And, if the control of PM prices is lost their will be a hellofa gold/S&P chart to look back on.

No amount of financial innovation can convert paper to physical PMs.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:56 | Link to Comment Enslavethechild...
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All assets will rise in price but not in value. At the very least they can not tax your Gold if that is all that you own. Over decades, Gold has the highest probability of being worth something compared to all other asset classes. Even good farmland can become radioactive and worthless

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:15 | Link to Comment Jason T
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you could have choosen to show that chart since January 2011 and Gold would have been better to hold/bury.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:41 | Link to Comment sessinpo
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Thumbs up for you. It's nice for these threads to pick an choose their data points. Sorry TD but I tell it like I see it even if it offends the host. It's called the truth. But I know you are just reporting what is on the MSM.

How about having the balls to use use some real historical points for perspective? I'm afraid you won't see that on CNBC. And so I will maintain my position that PMs will rise moderately relative to other assets.

Gold's main problem isn't supply, it is demand. The demand will be for whatever is still accepted for payments of bills or debts. And that my friend is still that shitty fiat currency that I and you despise. But that is the truth and fact and what we must deal with, not the fantasy of a currency backed by real goods or commodities.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 11:00 | Link to Comment cxl9
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whatever is still accepted for payments of bills or debts

Yes. And most importantly, taxes. As an American (well, half of us anyway) you must come up with a certain amount of dollars every year to pay to the government. If you fail to do so, the government will send some goons to seize your property or imprison you. If you resist, they will in extreme cases murder you and your family. It's all about the dollars to feed the monster, and don't forget that. This constititutes a huge foundation of demand for the dollar. You simply have to acquire them somehow in order to pay your taxes. Government is, essentially, an elaborate extortion racket which demands payment in dollars. Eventually, in the course of the collapse, when tax evasion and outright tax rebellion become rampant, and transactions are conducted in black markets, demand for the dollar will sharply decline and its value will be correspondingly reduced. People won't need so many dollars anymore to keep the goons away from the door.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 11:17 | Link to Comment hooligan2009
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don't work, pay no tax, claim no benefit...its easy..

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 13:36 | Link to Comment Panafrican Funk...
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I personally buy/hold physical gold "in case shit".  The case for continued and upcoming "shit" is pretty strong.  Ergo, any short term dollar price weakness = a discount on the only wealth protection that actually works.  

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment Comay Mierda
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eur/usd about to break out.  as bad as the euro is, the dollar is worse.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:19 | Link to Comment Cdad
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A couple of tweeters were out in front to draw attention to Tepper's appearance, calling him "brilliant" and "my friend."  And then came 45 minutes of sheer babbling.  Fascinating.

 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:28 | Link to Comment Atlasshruggedme
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This chart looks correct to me :-), but the gap should grown larger :-)

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment Snidley Whipsnae
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Instead of wasting my time watching Tepper I watched, once again, this interview of James Turk / Doug Casey.

It's ~ a year old but definitely an informative and entertaining view...

Nothing has changed since this 11-11 interview except the central bankers and soverigns have increased their money printing... and the rapeing of their Main St citizens.

I like this interview because both these guys have a lot of experience, Casey calls the jr miners exactly what they are, defines a depression (we are in one), and both men are obviously at ease and saying what they think... How rare is that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSyJjC_jBWQ

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment caimen garou
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he sounds like charlie browns teacher to me, can't understand a word he said! they are trying their best to herd the sheep to the slaughter house!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:34 | Link to Comment Debeachesand Je...
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Anybody who pays attention to that dickhead should have his head examine or his "balls".

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:36 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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So, QE4EVA now has its "balls to the wall" Tepper christening.  The media are really rolling out the deja vus to get the QE4EVA rally rolling to new highs.  

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:37 | Link to Comment bank guy in Brussels
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Phrase 'balls to the wall' actually comes from the operation of steam locomotives, where levers with a ball on the end would be against a metal wall when running at max steam

Of course readers often think of something else ...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:37 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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CHOO CHOO.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:41 | Link to Comment Going Loco
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Steam, yes. Locomotives, no. "Balls to the Wall" refers to governors, fitted to stationary engines, which worked on the principle of centrifugal/centrepetal force. The balls were hung on a spindle which was driven by the moving parts of the engine and connected to the steam valve. As the engine sped up the balls flew out and closed the steam valve thus slowing the engine. When set up correctly these devices operated imperceptibly, opening and closing the steam valve by tiny fractions. keeping the machine running at an almost constant speed, or as near constant as makes no difference. The term "balls to the wall" meant that the engine was set up to run flat out, with the balls fully extended but the valve remaining fully open nonetheless. Such devices were never fitted to locomotives anywhere in the whole wide world. 

I know that nobody here gives a damn but I had a few minutes to spare and I have owned and operated steam engines for nearly 50 years so I thought what the heck...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Watts_governor_and_th...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:43 | Link to Comment Going Loco
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Thinking about it, this is what Bernanke and Mervyn King and all the rest of the dickheads are doing, isn't it?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:38 | Link to Comment hugovanderbubble
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Perfect day for long TLT

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:39 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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I lik UYM better than TLT.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:39 | Link to Comment hugovanderbubble
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ALL FREAKING SPANISH BANKING SYSTEM IS A FRAUD,

Spanish COVERED BONDS = JUNK = is the biggest fraud EVA

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:45 | Link to Comment forwardho
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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:50 | Link to Comment sessinpo
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Let me introduce you to some USA bonds. They are much better then those junk Spanish bonds you spoke of. And by the way, if you buy "X" millions of our US bonds, we'll throw in some ocean front property in Arizona for free. You don't want to miss this opportunity.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:53 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGdoqsuiN8

"See you all in Arizona Bay!"

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 11:35 | Link to Comment Floodmaster
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360 payments for a pile of bricks, banks / central banks are mainly illusionist.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:42 | Link to Comment hugovanderbubble
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GERMANY EQUITY INDEX -:DAX _: DAILY RSI 73 level

MACD, RSI bearish divergences 

VWAP SINCE 19th november 7.330

Sell off coming bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbabyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:42 | Link to Comment apberusdisvet
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LUV THE SMELL OF PROPAGANDA IN THE MORNING.

Boy!  Those politically massaged economic numbers must be working for the sheeple.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment hugovanderbubble
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PUT CALL RATIO at lows

BULL/BEAR Ratio at highs...

SI/OUT.Shs at lows....

 

HOPIUM EXTERMINATED¡

Try with Marihuana now...

 

Pain Coming....

(Zalicus and Horizon Pharma)+ THLD

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:50 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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You really think they'll run to 20yr?!

Choomwagon, Forward!

 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:48 | Link to Comment edmondantes
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shows that being a muppet is an essential requirement for success in the present system

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:50 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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true, just not your success.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:51 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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Bears are cornered now. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:52 | Link to Comment sbenard
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I stopped watching the Obamanomics Channel -- uh, CNBC -- about 4 years ago. It is just propaganda seeking to mislead -- even deceive -- all of us to lull us into a sense of false security while they undermine and destroy our freedom. They have successfully drugged most Americans into a materialistic torpor that will cost them their liberty in the end.

There is going to have to be a grand reset, and it will be more ugly than anyone can imagine. We can not, however, assume that the reset will bring back liberty. It rarely does!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 11:58 | Link to Comment Bastiat009
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You're giving them too much credit. They're just a bunch of people trying to make a living. They have no agenda, they're just trying to sell airtime to the largest audience possible. It's all about style, substance doesn't matter anymore. Why would they care about what they say, they're still paid the same anyway. It's just a job.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:54 | Link to Comment TuPhat
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The chart is interesting and some charts can be informative, but the market is broken and charts have no predictive value at all.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:55 | Link to Comment Brokenarrow
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cnbc and their book talking "experts" have killed more people than Hitler, Stalin, PolPot, and Bin Ladne combined. Especially the naive and elderly. This morning tepper sent, at minimum, a thousand grandmas and pas, who are so afraid and desperate, to their financial death. They are far more evil than the kid in CT. How they sleep at night I will never know. I hope to see them swing from the gallows in the future.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 11:48 | Link to Comment wisefool
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Human secularist religions like Keynesianism have holy wars too. Much more deadly without the war weariness that can not be suppressed out of traditional religions/spirituality. CNBC is just a church for that religion, they do not deserve our attention or action.

Bloomberg on the other hand has been letting way too much truth get out. They had a week long study called "Alpha Stars" recently. The finale was two of the most important money managers in the USA. One guy was goldman sacs. the other was some type of independant manager.

They basically put up a chart showing that money mangers do not do any better or worse than the index. They also waxed philosophical about why they are paid so much inlight of this fact.

 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 10:57 | Link to Comment slackrabbit
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lol

lots of words, no sentances...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 12:54 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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For once, someone stuttered and stammered more than Joe in the morning......  lol

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 11:40 | Link to Comment imaginalis
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What a muppet

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 12:53 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Fed lost its authority because Fed will not go much beyond dow 13,000 or where it already is. The manipulation by the FED has been to support pensions up to this point time and again. There is no truth to Tepper and GS this time round. He's a bald headed pervert from Pittsburgh.fuckville where the Night of the Living Dead was filmed.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 14:29 | Link to Comment tnquake
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Thought Tipper was interviewing to run Ben's printing press!

<CTL> P, <CTL> P

Lost another hour of my life watching this crap!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 16:30 | Link to Comment steelhead23
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OK Tyler, Why did you post that interview?  Tepper is a Bernankophile.  He believes that the Fed's QE has been effective and will continue to be effective, not just on WS but on Main Street.  Ho-hum.  The only interesting aspect of that interview was that the CNBC interviewers actually did provide a little push-back - unemployment remains stubornly high, growth has been sluggish - which I find a tad heartening as these same folks are often cheerleaders rather than journalists.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 17:26 | Link to Comment cobra1650
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20% unemployment and structurally fucked economy....this guy is a pole-smoking frontrunner.  I forecast he will grow a beard in 2013 to offset the chrome dome.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 18:34 | Link to Comment one_fell_swoop
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OVERLAY TWO CHARTS.  IMPLY CAUSATION.  

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:19 | Link to Comment Notarocketscientist
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The new excellence is incompetence.

If you are a musician you MUST try your best not to create anything of quality - rather you must fight that urge and instead produce drivel - yes I know that is difficult but creating utter garbage is never easy - the benchmark for the new excellence in music is rebecca black's Friday - if you can get even halfway to being as bad as this you will be EXCELLENT and wealthy beyond your wildest dreams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0

As for investing you MUST forget about what you learned about seeking out well managed companies with good products.  Forget about using your brain.  What you need to do is NOT think and that way you can become a very successful investor.  Blindly charge into trades based only on complete and total faith in what Bernanke tells you is the truth.  You cannot fail

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