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The Two Charts That Matter From Smith And Wesson's December Investor Presentation

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National Shooting Sports Foundation, Published December 3, 2012 –

NOVEMBER NSSF-ADJUSTED NICS CHECKS UP 38.5%... Powered by the largest single day ever for background checks on Black Friday, November 2012 is now the record holder for the most background checks conducted in a single month. The November 2012 NSSF-adjusted National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) figure of 1,525,177 is an increase of 38.5 percent over the NSSF-adjusted NICS figure of 1,101,076 in November 2011. For comparison, the unadjusted November 2012 NICS figure of 1,997,703 reflects a 30.8 percent increase from the unadjusted NICS figure of 1,527,454 in Nov. 2011. This marks the 30th straight month that NSSF-adjusted NICS figures have increased when compared to the same period the previous year. The number reported for November 2012 eclipsed the previous high in December 2011 by 8.1 percent.”

Source: SWHC December Investor Presentation


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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:06 | 3072995 Zap Powerz
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It would appear a lot of people are suddenly interested in hunting.


It would appear a lot of people are suddenly interested in personal security.  It is as if the US population is arming itself for war.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:14 | 3073016 The Shootist
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Yup, politician hunting. (unless you're Ron Paul.)

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:19 | 3073028 The Alarmist
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Nah, It's Wabbit Season ... to say otherwise is hate speech that will land you in Gitmo.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:26 | 3073044 THX 1178
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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:30 | 3073059 nope-1004
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Corrupt Bankster season!!!!


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:34 | 3073072 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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I just want to go on record as having stated that I disapprove of the insinuations in the comments above. Violence is not the answer. Also, I lost all my guns, pms, and other preps in a boating accident.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:59 | 3073601 Muddy1
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I'm sorry for your loss(es), please accept my condolences.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 23:41 | 3073705 Vampyroteuthis ...
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I was always warned about the Muses and their singing at sea. Somehow I had a shipwreck also.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 23:58 | 3073746 Enslavethechild...
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I buy lots of old guns for their scrap metal value hahaha

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:18 | 3073788 trav777
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watching that limey cunt Piers Morgan involuntarily at a restaurant made me conclude that these statist progs were sitting around with their fingers crossed hoping for another shooting so they could beat the righteous drums for gun control.

Of course the debate is controlled; he won't challenge someone who has an answer to his "Britain, Australia, Japan" crap.  Of course, he cherrypicks and excludes contrary examples, such as Switzerland or Mexico.  Or even RSA.

Nobody will have a REAL conversation on what the root causes of crime are and by whom; akock will be long any minute now to call me a rayciss for pointing out the obvious.

I wonder how that gun ban worked for those Tottenhammers during the riot, you know when they were being stripped, robbed, and raped.

This country needs to partition and soon.  Let the blue states of america, which is actually just a few cities and little else, go their own way.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:14 | 3074638 Bad Attitude
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Of course the statistis were sitting around waiting for something like this. Their reflexive response - demands for gun control - was as predictable as the sun rising in the morning.

The charitable explanation is that they can't accept the fact that there really are bad people in society, and instead blame inanimate objects for the actions of bad people.

The more likely explanation is that "a tragedy is a terrible thing to waste." An armed citizenry is just too difficult to control.

When you go on your gun buying spree, don't forget the bullets and magazines. Then find your friendly local range and learn how to use your purchases.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:20 | 3074639 Bad Attitude
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Sorry for the double post.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:43 | 3074019 Old Earth Chaos
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I'm pretty sure you mean the Sirens, not the Muses

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 05:31 | 3074100 Dugald
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Nah, he's just bemused......

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:35 | 3073076 Texas Ginslinger
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Smith & Wesson's stock started dropping on Friday right after the bad news.

I call the stock a buy based on those charts...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:44 | 3073113 1000924014093
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Word. I bought SWHC today.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:46 | 3073123 Manthong
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Long guns

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:08 | 3073163 kaiserhoff
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Crocodile tears weren't even dry, and Rufus was talking about gun control.  He seems to suffer from noosaphobia.  Wonder why?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:38 | 3073555 TwoShortPlanks
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America will never be disarmed because like the movie 1984, constant violence and aggression is required to create and sustain the Oligarchial State.

Gun sales have a GREEN LIGHT, no matter how many kiddies get wasted.

Morally Bankrupt to the core. Bring on the NWO, because God knows when you have your freedoms and choose to construct hell at every opportunity, you fucking need it.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:50 | 3073584 James_Cole
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The US arms the world then goes around blowing it up. Apparently the powers that be would like to use this same strategy on the home front again. 

More violence = more police, more homeland security, more guns, more loss of civil liberties.

But don't worry, the brilliant gun nuts on zero hedge plan to march into Washington and overthrow the place! Look out US military! 

Anyway, you can't do anything about stupid people except grab the popcorn.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:53 | 3073590 TwoShortPlanks
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"except grab the popcorn"...indeed! +1

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:09 | 3073968 AldousHuxley
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destruction = demand


nothing like WAR to get folks working again.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:20 | 3073794 mumcard
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Yes, the real geniuses know that we must lay around and do nothing if we want to win!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:20 | 3073798 trav777
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you people are tards...if the US is going to collapse like most of you believe, you're going to fucking need those guns.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 03:08 | 3074043 TwoShortPlanks
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I've got two words which make guns obselete, they are, Swift Codes.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:44 | 3073849 Uber Vandal
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The Russian Federation, Germany, France, China, and UK also are top arms suppliers world wide.

In fact, from 2001 to 2003, the Russians were nearly tied to the USA for arms supplies.

But, don't let facts get in the way.


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:22 | 3074216 bunnyswanson
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You've left out Israel, the 4th largest arms dealer.

From link:

Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:29 AM

Israel hits $7.2 billion in arms exports

TEL AVIV, Israel, June 17 (UPI) -- Israel's defense industry racked an unprecedented $7.2 billion in exports in 2010, up on the $6.9 billion achieved in 2009.

That put the Jewish state among the world's top four arms exporters but declining military budgets around the world are likely to reduce sales over the coming years.

"We recognize the challenges but we're working hard to maintain the level we're currently at and even to increase it," said Reserve Brig. Gen. Shmaya Avieli, head of the Defense Ministry's Foreign Defense Assistance and Defense Export Department.

The Israelis are hoping to secure big-ticket deals at the Paris Air Show, a major international defense industry showcase next week at the Le Bourget exhibition center.

Government figures indicate Israeli defense companies sold military hardware worth $9.6 billion in 2010, $2.4 billion of it to Israel's military.

But meantime, China, once a promising market for Israeli weapons and electronic systems, remains off-limits, largely because of Israel's ally, the United States.

The Americans blocked the sale of four $250 million Phalcon advanced early warnings aircraft to the People's Liberation Army in 2000, citing U.S. components used in the systems carried by the aircraft. Beijing was furious.

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak, who sanctioned the Phalcon deal, is currently in Beijing, the first such visit in a decade.

Israeli officials, however, stressed the policy of no weapons sales to China is still in place.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:56 | 3074776 Aurora Ex Machina
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Gosh, if I could only think of another thing they all have in common (barring Germany, but our latest foray into history gives us the answer to that little oversight).

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:38 | 3073558 James_Cole
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This chart is about one simple thing - long American stupidity. Never lose money betting on batshit crazy American rednecks!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:48 | 3073575 TwoShortPlanks
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Long NWO Redneck hunting equipment...a boom industry for the future U(N)SA enforcing Agenda 21 and sustainable redneck depopulation programs.

America is dead, long live Afghamerica. One giant PaintBall park...with live rounds!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:59 | 3073612 gruden
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Just one thing: it's not just the rednecks buying guns.  I work in a professional environment with educated people.  Half the guys own guns, the other half are seriously considering buying guns. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 23:31 | 3073688 TwoShortPlanks
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It's just a generalisation of a common meme, it's not meant to be completely truthful.....just 99.99% LOL

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 03:10 | 3074045 schatzi
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"Just one thing: it's not just the rednecks buying guns.  I work in a professional environment with educated people.  Half the guys own guns, the other half are seriously considering buying guns. "

But why? I simply do not see any rational justification. Armed citizens marching on Washington? Yeah right.

When it comes to crime, I've seen more than the vast majority here and our family has been the victim of serious crime more than once, having lived in the lawless nineties in Cape Town. Murder, rape, burglary and car-jacking more than a daily occurrence. Our house was armed to the teeth with an arsenal of firearms all safely locked away and out of reach for children and emergencies. If shit happens, it happens fast. Faster than you can walk over the safe, get the firearm out, load it and use it. Pretty much useless and with some bad luck will even be used against you. You can't have the gun under the bed, because that's where it becomes accessible to kids. Best security is still a high wall topped with an electric fence, private armed response companies, dogs, alarm system and burglar bars. Quasi voluntary imprisonment.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:17 | 3074165 bonderøven-farm ass
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You lived in a 'high crime' area, you've been the 'victim' of serious crime and you keep your only protection in a fucking safe?  "I simply do not see any rational justification" for this.  Teach your kids about the responsibility of gun ownership and 'locking it away' won't be necessary.  You're no good to your family when the only means of protecting them is locked away for safe-keeping....

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:47 | 3074251 schatzi
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Then please explain how you teach a 5 year old to safely use/not use a firearm. Even if older, can you reliably expect them not to touch it? I wouldn't trust my kids with a firearm lying about. Maybe bad parenting? I'm impressed you'd fully trust your small kids around a firearm. You could give me some valuable parenting tips then.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:33 | 3073233 zorba THE GREEK
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Long long guns.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:07 | 3073159 EXCDO
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I also bought SWHC today.  Nice rally on the election paid for the CCW class and a nice new TBD piece of protection.  Although, I have to admit to feeling a bit like Gordon Gekko shorting NASA stock when the space shuttle blew up.  NASA stock... makes me laugh every time.  Really tells you how out of tune Hollywood and the left are, but I digress.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:17 | 3073191 WestVillageIdiot
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Gekko had an ethical bypass at birth.  That is what made him perfect for the role of the Blue Horseshoe. 

Gekko should have shorted Daryl Hannah's face.  Who did she blow to get into movies?  Yuck. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:30 | 3073222 dobermangang
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Their last QTR was stellar.  Listen to their last conference call.  They are simply hitting on all cylinders. SWHC's next QTR revenue and profits will be huge.  They'll raise guidance again.  Gun sales are still booming.  Obama is the world's best gun salesmen.  Got Guns???

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:44 | 3073257 conspicio
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Bud Fox: “(To phone) Gordon Gekko please.”
Marv: “Oh Gekko. Gekko’s beautiful. Thirty seconds after the Challenger blew up he’s on the phone selling NASA stock short. Mr. Nice Guy!”
Bud Fox: “Yeah ... but 47 million he made on the Melcor deal. Twenty-three on the Imperial deal before he was 40. The guy makes 20 times what Dave winfield makes in a year ... and he talks to everybody.”
Marv: “And, he had an ethical bypass at birth.”

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 05:41 | 3074112 Tango in the Blight
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Maybe he was referring to NASA's suppliers.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:39 | 3074177 Disenchanted
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"NASA's suppliers."


Oh you mean those corporate multi-national capitalists colluding with big government and their no bid 'free market' contracts?


aka corporate subsidies/welfare.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:58 | 3073609 Muddy1
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These charts may be the reason that Congress fails to act aggressively against firearms purchases.  Every purchase represents additional tax revenue.  Just like every pack of cigarettes sold represents additional tax revenue.  Cigarettes won't be outlawed because they want the revenue just like they want revenue from firearms sales.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 23:23 | 3073663 Nage42
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From a fundamentals perspective, S&W sells to LEs/Mil, so "the future looks bright [/forehead-smack]" there, and conversely, they sell to private owners too.


It's early WWII all over again, where the US gun manufacturers sold to both sides (well... so did the French/Swiss, so it's not a singleton...), or African conflicts... or Cent. Am. conflicts... or Ex-Russian conflicts... or...  I'm guessing you get my point.


What we need now is a new bullet technology that makes simple, cheap, effective home-fabrication easily within the realm of capabilities for Joe Redneck bringing 7.62 down to a couple pennies/per, something like two-stage emulsified tip sitting on a homebrew propellant... hmm... gets one thinking... 

Ooops, look at the time, gotta run... [runs off to patent office].




Tue, 12/18/2012 - 06:27 | 3074139 flattrader
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The long climb to the top of the chart began post 9/11.

There was a climb into Y2K for long guns, but then it leveled off a bit when chaos failed to materialize.

Both types of guns clearly came into favor again beginnin in '02.

Of course it's impossible to say if citizens plan to fight terrorists with their weapons or their own government...because afte 9/11 it was hard to tell the difference.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:32 | 3073064 Rainman
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quack-quack....the most glorious season of the year. If it flies it dies !

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:36 | 3073079 FL_Conservative
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Drone season?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:10 | 3073170 kaiserhoff
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My Scoutmaster used to say he was like the little duck:  web-footed and didn't give a damn.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:38 | 3073088 Squid Vicious
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Corzine Season!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:39 | 3073248 Stoploss
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It's the damned boar hogs.

Speaking of which, the current leadership is about as useless as tits on a boar hog.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:27 | 3073539 imbrbing
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Yea, someone is going to have to "duck" when this blows.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 23:27 | 3073677 Freddie
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SWHC and Ruger are the new bubble stocks.

The AR15 is the new iPhone 5.  ;-)

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:16 | 3073779 Tijuana Donkey Show
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I find the features of the AR-15 never go out of style, and and I love to SMS with it, even if the range is a bit limited because I'm not in a tower. 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:09 | 3073964 A Nanny Moose
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Ha! nursery rhymes FTW!

Hickory Dickory Dock....(feel free to add your own flair here)


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:43 | 3074181 Disenchanted
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"This is my rifle

this is my gun

this is for fighting

this is for fun"



Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:16 | 3074212 DanDaley
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Remember that one well running around the squad bay at Edson Range with 80 other guys and our M14s, hahaha.  Too much fun.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:31 | 3073066 stant
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a modern day ft sumter would be instant death to the dollar. lets hope cool heads prevail

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:08 | 3073164 ball-and-chain
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I don't own guns.  I'm afraid my wife would blow my head off.

She has a bad temper.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:18 | 3073194 WestVillageIdiot
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I thought I was the only one with that fear. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:18 | 3073368 AmericanFUPAcabra
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No one here cares if you went hiking yesterday. Stop pimping your blog on every thread. People might start to confuse you with Spiritoftruth...oh wait that seems to be what everyone does now. /Silverbug. Okay im done.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:20 | 3073199 dobermangang
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The way food prices keep on going up, hunting for many is not just a sport anymore, but a matter of survival.  Got food???

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:05 | 3073283 Widowmaker
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It is far more probable that the smart are insulating against Holder-justuce, ignorance, and liberal fact-fabrication.

People know the current "rule of law" is a total fucking joke on the enforcement/executive side.

The intelligent also know that with modern government marvels such as Homeland Insecurity that it is every man for himself against said incorporated government enemies of the people.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:07 | 3073498 Omen IV
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the USA is an open air insane asylum !

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:06 | 3072998 The Gooch
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Short, Bolsheviks.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:09 | 3073008 xtop23
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Long, cavitation.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:50 | 3073586 hannah
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long 1:7 twist...

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 23:22 | 3073662 ZeroAvatar
Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:10 | 3073012 caimen garou
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the triple "G" effect

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:16 | 3073024 toady
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Time to pick up some S&W stock?


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:58 | 3073107 sunaJ
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Congratulations, Toady, you just proved you are a fairly sensitive human.  The thought occurred to you days after the tragic event.   A sociopath would have had that idea the moment he saw breaking news of a mass shooting at an elementary school.  It would have been his first thought.  But even the sociopath is too late, for only miliseconds after the breaking news, all the sophisticated algos lit to life and began forming the groundwork for profit-taking, whereby sophisticated and proprietary investment instruments are installed into the system, to make money both on the way up and on the way down. 


DO. NOT. PLAY.  Go 'direct investment' into Smith & Wesson, if that's your 'stock' of choice.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:17 | 3073977 A Nanny Moose
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If you can't hold it, you don't own it.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:23 | 3073039 HelluvaEngineer
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Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:43 | 3073433 zorba THE GREEK
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SW 686 has been around for a long time. I bought a new 686 this year and later bought

a 28 year old 686. Both 357s, but the old one has wood grip.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:23 | 3073040 The Miser
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I am going to buy an AR15 to rid my property of mice. 

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:39 | 3073093 ghengis86
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Mine was for all specie of vermin. But I lost it.

Oops! Just found it again. It was hiding under my bed and seems to have asexually reproduced!


Don't live in fear

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:55 | 3073142 The Gooch
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or dread.



Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:47 | 3073445 zorba THE GREEK
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I bought a 44 mag to shoot cans. AfricaCANS, MexiCANS and Porta RiCANS, and possibly some AmeriCANS.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:56 | 3073604 Uncle Sugar
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Get a 22 conversion kit for you AR if you're hunting mice. At least you'll have some meat left after the kill and it's a lot more economical.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:05 | 3073888 ZeroAvatar
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Best be trappin' those mice.  Might make a good mouse stew.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:53 | 3074032 Redhotfill
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Black Rifles work waaay better than Black Cats.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:27 | 3073051 stant
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been checking the big online shops, out of stock beside every item i have or would have

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:02 | 3073154 klockwerks
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Buy large quanty of ammo for all that you have. I would bet that might be the first thing they go for (idiots in Wash) You can always bater for it.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:14 | 3073181 Salon
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Buy reloading gear. It is cheap right now.

Buy a #10 can seamer for 800 bucks and seal lots of ammo with O2 absorbers and dessicators. It should still be perfect in 50 years provided the can doesnt rust through.

Never let a crises go to waste

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:18 | 3073196 kaiserhoff
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Proud to say my son did that for me.

I hear there are a billion rounds of hollow points up for grabs.  Any hot rumors of locations?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:31 | 3073054 darteaus
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Gee, I wonder what changed?


-- Favorite: Python

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:07 | 3073893 ZeroAvatar
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--Favorite: Python


Baked, barbequed or fricasseed?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:15 | 3075520 darteaus
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Colt - Six inch barrel, stainless

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:33 | 3073069 Seasmoke
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Foreign banksters still think they are going to steal American houses ?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:33 | 3073070 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"NOVEMBER NSSF-ADJUSTED NICS CHECKS UP 38.5%... Powered by the largest single day ever for background checks on Black Friday, November 2012..."~


One can only conclude that Santa is bringing a lot of good little boys and girls firepower. (Bad little boys and girls get coal.) Whether this is a reflexive social commentary on the current administration is another matter, but the numbers do invite speculation along those lines.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:37 | 3073243 Creepy Lurker
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If I'm sort of neutral, can I get both?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:18 | 3073789 Freddie
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This is an insane number. I think the NICS checks have been around 15 million a year for the last 4 years.   This is roughly about 50 million new gun sales over the past 4 years.  Talking about expanding your market or shifting the demand curve.

People are not as afraid of crime as they are afraid of tyranny and/or SHTF.  

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:41 | 3073098 absente reo
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Sick America.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:45 | 3073119 HelluvaEngineer
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Right.  So get the fuck out!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:58 | 3074396 CoolBeans
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Really.  But Americans are like the "Second Coming" when you need us, right?  So take your Anti-American B.S. and shove it.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:48 | 3073127 way-out-west
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I don't want to be a kill-joy (I carry daily myself) but what happense if you normalize the above charts for population growth? I don't have the data, but it seems like there might be a little more to it. After all, the intersting part is the %change YoY normalized for those entering the 'legal' age to purchase.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:09 | 3073330 Salon
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You told your kids Santa wasnt real didnt you?


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 06:53 | 3074153 flattrader
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Good question.  I wondered about that myself initially.  But, then I noticed the big climb to the top for both types of guns began immediately post 9/11.

The long leg up looks event driven...with a dip in sales due to market implosion post 2008...and then a healthy resumption of sales when people figured out the still had disposable income.

Prior to '02 you could porbably overlay that chart with the age distribution of the male population 18+ and get a pretty good correlation of age distribution moving through to sales.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:52 | 3073133 batz
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Short butter!



Mon, 12/17/2012 - 19:52 | 3073134 besnook
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there is a pretty significant correlation with the rise of the bankster economy.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:01 | 3073151 PeeramidIdeologies
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Some cultures express themselves with religion, some with music and dance, some with literature, some even with respect and social positioning.
You, America, have chosen the gun. Justify it any way you want/need too, but I, for one, don't have too.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:11 | 3073172 Salon
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I dont have to justify anything either. Most certainly not to you

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:20 | 3073198 PeeramidIdeologies
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Just keep telling yourself that it is just another "random" act of violence committed by mentally unstable "individual". All the while you prepare to shoot your neighbour, your government, the terrorists, or whatever other creature that happens to cross your path at the wrong time. Load up cowboy their coming for you....

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:25 | 3073215 quasimodo
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You have an affinity for boxcars?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:26 | 3073219's picture

Just keep telling yourself that old ladies should just curl up and die already.


82-year-old fights off attacker

Posted: Mar 16, 2010 5:02 PM
Updated: Mar 16, 2010 5:02 PM


SIERRA VISTA - An 82-year-old woman takes matters into her own hands after she's attacked in a Wal-Mart parking lot in Sierra Vista.

Police said the suspect Stephen Prickett beat the woman with her own cane until she grabbed her gun from her purse and started firing.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:48 | 3073270 formadesika3
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Carrying a man-purse is such a drag.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:55 | 3073297 Bastiat
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from the article:

She said, "In a very mild voice he said, 'this is your day. You are too old to be alive anyway.'"

That guy must have been reading Krasting lately.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 23:41 | 3073709 Freddie
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'this is your day. You are too old to be alive anyway.'"

Wonder if he helped draft ObamaCare?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:22 | 3073802 Tijuana Donkey Show
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No, but she'll ring up a tab! 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:14 | 3074160 flattrader
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Krasting is a graybeard himself.  Not that young brown-haired man working the phone like his ZH photo implies.

I thought ol' Bruce just had it in for "old people."  It worse than that.

He has it in for non-rich "old people"...everyone who might need Medicare...which is nearly everyone who can't "self-insure" after making millions from running a hedge fund as he did.

>>>She said, "In a very mild voice he said, 'this is your day. You are too old young and stupid o be alive anyway.'"<<<

There. Fixed it for 'ya.

Of course Bruce, with central planner "death to the old, kidneys for the young" misguided reasoning, missed proposing the one thing that might make patients less likely to pursue pointless end of life care and Medicare less expensive for everyone.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:08 | 3073329 mkucstars
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My only regret is that she missed... good for her! I think I'll get my mom a case of shells for Christmas. She's getting pretty good with her shotgun.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 07:57 | 3074195 flattrader
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I think the attacker was misidentified.  It was Bruce Krasting beating her with the cane.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:08 | 3073496 chubbar
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peeramidideologies, I find it interesting that I can't down arrow your comment but the up arrow appears operable. Am I being paranoid? Anyone else having that problem?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:55 | 3073867 MsCreant
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No. Just changed my down vote to an up and back.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 23:10 | 3073634 DanDaley
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Load up cowboy their coming for you....


I have no respect for anyone who can't use there, their, and they're correctly.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:16 | 3075530 darteaus
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Their being lazy when there writing they're comments.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:18 | 3073195 edb5s
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Is the act of arming oneself not an "expression of the self" in it's own right?  We are "expressing" our discontent with the state of politics and intimating that the rebellious nature, upon which this nation was founded, is still alive and well.  As an aside, fuck off.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:23 | 3073210 PeeramidIdeologies
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You need a gun for that do you? Surely this will end well.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:30 | 3073223's picture

The principal in Sandy Hook didn't have a gun so you must be pleased with that outcome. In Pearl, Mississippi the principal did have a gun and the killer was apprehended which of course is a huge disappointment in your opinion.


Pearl High School shooting


The incident began on the morning of October 1, 1997 when Luke Woodham fatally stabbed and bludgeoned his mother, Mary Woodham, as she prepared for a morning jog. At his trial, Woodham claimed that he could not remember killing his mother.

Woodham drove his mother's car to Pearl High School. Wearing an orange jumpsuit and a trenchcoat,[1] he made no attempt to hide his rifle. When he entered the school, he fatally shot Lydia Kaye Dew and Christina Menefee, his former girlfriend. Pearl High School assistant band director, Jeff Cannon, was standing five feet away from Dew when she was fatally shot. Woodham went on to wound seven others before leaving, intending to drive off campus and conduct another shooting at the nearby Pearl Junior High School. However, assistant principal Joel Myrick had retrieved a .45 pistol from the glove compartment of his truck and subdued Woodham inside his mother's car. Then Myrick demanded "Why did you shoot my kids?" to which Woodham replied, "Life has wronged me, sir."[2]

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:44 | 3073259 PeeramidIdeologies
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Pleased?! You guys really don't get it do you? Hey, maybe if you arm the principle's in your schools THEN things will be alright... Get a clue man, more guns isn't the solution.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:01 | 3073310 Salon
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It is interesting to see someone with collectivist values and try to understand their psyche.

We come from different traditions. Many of us would advocate arming principals and teachers rather than disarming the populace.

Our tradition is one of inalienable individual rights. Liberty has a high price however.

It matters not to me what laws a government may impose. My rights are inalienable and do not come from the government. You want my weapons?

Come and take it.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:43 | 3073432 PeeramidIdeologies
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Thank you for your response using open minded discussion. I agree that we do come from different traditions, and do not mean to assault your rights to freedom. I only mean to provoke some thought towards the direction of your path. I live in a country that, in my opinion, provides not only more civil liberties, but also a much safer environment to enjoy them. Do your guns really enable your rights? Or is it the community you live in that provides it? As an outsider looking in, I find it disturbing to see certain patterns in the behaviour and responses to such that are shown in your country. I wouldn't say that your situation is improving....

As for your guns you can keep them. I have a hunch your going to need them.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 22:27 | 3073538 lasvegaspersona
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America has maintained its ability to fight. Is that so bad?

Read Lawrence Thorton's "Imagining Argentina". The military come for you one by one in the night. They kill and torture and then adopt your orphan children. That is something Americans do not want. So we stay strong.

If there are anti-liberty, anti-gun laws passed at this time I predict bad things. Americans sense the problems with the currency even if they don't understand what is happening. I do not think many will peacefully give up guns, especially not now. I am angry at the thought and I am a very peaceful person. I can only imagine what some are planning in anger at this moment. Congress must be very careful or they will precipitate actions they might not be able to control, drones or no drones, spying or not.

Our country was founded with gun rights for a reason. Those who swore to uphold those rights but try to diminish them will be remembered.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:24 | 3073919 Sockeye
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Isn't Canada a monarchy? How's that square with "more civil liberties"?
PS rights are inalienable from the individual, not granted to you by your community. (tough concept for hosers)

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:34 | 3073934 bunnyswanson
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Just who I was waiting for - A Canadian.  Well, fellow Canadian, things are not as they seem.  Take a moment and find out what is really going on within our country.

Globalization has plans for 1st world citizens and that includes Canadians.  This is not the country you grew up in.  But you'll never realize it until it is too it was designed.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:13 | 3073337's picture


Get a clue man, more guns isn't the solution.


An additional gun in responsible hands was the solution in Pearl. Your assertion that it was not a solution indicates that you did not want Luke Woodham to be restrained from killing more kids. It was also the solution in Edinboro, Pennsylvania and in Happy Valley, Oregon. But you are unhappy with those live saving solutions. More people should have been killed in your clued-in opinion.


The shooting began on an outdoor patio, about 20 minutes before the dance was scheduled to end, around 9:40. He shot John Gillette after he asked Wurst to come inside. Before running out of ammunition, Wurst proceeded to enter Nick's Place, where the dance had been held, and subsequently fired and wounded Edrye Boraten, a teacher and two students, Jacob Tury and Justin Fletcher.[1] The shooting ended when the owner of Nick's Place, James Strand, intervened and confronted Wurst with his shotgun, ordering him to drop his weapon and later holding him at bay for eleven minutes. Strand later got Wurst on the ground and searched him for weapons, finding a dinner fork in his sock.[5]


After firing an estimated 20-60 shots, the AR-15 briefly jammed, but Roberts managed to get it working again. During that time, Nick Meli, a concealed carry permit holder, claims that he drew his Glock 22, and took aim at Roberts but did not fire since there was an innocent person behind Roberts. Meli asserts that Roberts saw him, and that this may have contributed to Roberts' decision to commit suicide, but no independent or authoritative substantiation of this claim has been reported by authorities.[3] Roberts then ran into a Macy's store across from the food court, where he committed suicide. Police responded to the scene minutes later and spent the following hours searching the mall for hiding civilians, injured victims, and a possible second shooter.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:19 | 3073359 Nadaclue
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Ah, but more guns is the solution. Every single area that loosens its citizens rights to carry, has seen a drop in crime.

England, one of the most gun restrictive nations in Europe, has seen its crime rate escalate 89% since it banned guns.

Israel had its last school classroom shooting in 1974, when they had the same cry for gun control as we do now. They did the opposite and armed every single teacher, administrator and janitor. Not a classroom shooting since.

More guns is the answer. Can't do that here though as most of the teachers and Admin are lefties who would never want to look at a gun, let alone shoot a rampaging murderer.

An unarmed citizen, is an unarmed victim. Criminals aren't going to follow laws, that is why they are called criminals. Gun free zones are a calling card for the deranged knowing that no one is going to shoot back.

The recent Clackamas OR Mall shooting, a legally armed citizen drew down on the perp. When he saw people in the background, he didn't fire, afraid of hitting a bystander. The shooter saw him, took off for the stairwell and killed himself after entering, like the coward he was. Not a damn word in MSM except a Portland TV station. Imagine that, can't have the hive figuring out armed citizens save lives, can we now?

Alas, I'll never convince you being like most leftists, you don't work with facts. Leftists work with how something makes them feel, facts be damned. If it makes you feel bad, legislate against it.

I'm a conservative, I work with facts, not how something makes me feel.

You cannot stop evil no matter what laws and regulations are put up. Some people are evil and you'll never stop em. The only thing that will stop an evil shooter is another gun pointed at them.


Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:50 | 3073456 TrulyStupid
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Sorry to intrude on your rant, but you may want to contemplate the following chart:


Please note that the greatest incidence of firearm deaths are in the deeply red, pro gun, America love it or leave it states.

It is comforting to the rest of us that these idiots are mostly killing one another (and themselves).

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 00:41 | 3073843 Creepy Lurker
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#1 District of Columbia with 31.2 per 100,000. Yeah, those damned rednecks in D.C. LOL

#6 Nevada = blue state

#8 New Mexico = blue state

Well, at least you chose the correct handle for yourself.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:51 | 3074365 CoolBeans
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Well done, Creepy Lurker!!!!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 11:41 | 3074721 TrulyStupid
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Interesting the display of cognitive dissonance in reading a simple chart.

Washington DC is not a state, but a free fire zone for well armed, violent criminals, all of whom are decidedly pro-gun.

The states with populations and effective gun control laws like Massachusetts and New York have incidences far lower than the gun lovers.

There.. does that help?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:22 | 3075559 darteaus
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Living up to your name!

How do you know that "violent criminals" are "decidedly pro-gun"?  Are you citing a study?

Why did you leave Illinois out of your list?  Cherry-picking of facts?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 10:15 | 3074449 exi1ed0ne
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Hmmm.  I think you should check the over/under of the risk of death by Assault by vs. discharge of a firearm here:

And it's high time we banned cars already!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:36 | 3075919 Goner
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This is not a dig, becasue I agree with your view. But I would hate to see someone read this and run with this one part as fact and get slammed in the process.

"Israel had its last school classroom shooting in 1974, when they had the same cry for gun control as we do now. They did the opposite and armed every single teacher, administrator and janitor. Not a classroom shooting since."

From what I can find not all teachers are armed, only some in the West bank are. The woman also serve two years in the military. Israel does have significant other defenses such as guards and gates for schools.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:26 | 3073991 A Nanny Moose
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Despite all your hand waving, the evidence seems to indicate otherwise, doesn't it.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:49 | 3074358 CoolBeans
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THANK YOU for posting this admin must be able to protect our kids.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:31 | 3073226 Creepy Lurker
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And a fine, time honored form of self expression it is, too.

Lock and load, bitchez!

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:01 | 3073313 conspicio
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I would argue that the US has adopted a culture of death, a culture of secular humanism, and a culture of moral relativism mashed together. Guns are merely an outflow of these ideologies as they are experienced and practiced. Your attitude and practice is perfectly acceptable until you are visited by those cultural hoodlums who desire to liberate you of your wealth by force. That it won't happen? The criminal mind is common and devious. Societal darwinism amongst a slowly evolving anarchy depends on people like you to exist. And yes, it exists and is growing quite nicely.

I can guarantee you that dying helpless will suck, but as long as you are OK with that, have at it. Matter of fact, unlock your doors at night to speed the plow. It's the not knowing that will get at you after awhile.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 21:13 | 3073344 Widowmaker
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The good news is America will still save your complaining ass at the threshold of hell.

You're welcome (in advance).

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 23:24 | 3073668 gnomon
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I am tired of you global goobers piling on with this gun-hating crap.   It is none of your damn business.  Stay out of it. 

The Second Amendment is the keystone of our Constitution.  All of the other amendments depend upon it staying viable.  

You who criticize really live in Soft Dictatorships, masquerading as Social Democracies.  You have given up.  We are descending to your level.  But we have not yet given up, not with the means to avoid the final, total humiliation.

And in the meantime we can protect our homes from multiple assailants while you can not.



Mon, 12/17/2012 - 23:57 | 3073742 BidnessMan
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The Ben Franklin quote is: Those who turn their swords into plowshares generally end up plowing for those who did not.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:18 | 3073901 ZeroAvatar
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Tue, 12/18/2012 - 01:42 | 3073941 bunnyswanson
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The Founding Fathers made specifically laws to protect the US citizens from tyrants.  This is a gift because they know what can happen without a govt which protects the people.  The history of the world - without guns. 

The videos of the millions of people filling the streets in the EU and UK, even the US, is not provided for us.  Media doesn't want to allow us to see what is taking place.  High taxes, cut in income, no jobs, food prices going up, pensions sliced in half, no medical care and if there is medical care, there is no staff.

This isn't Kansas anymore.  Media is owned and operated by the people who orchestrated the transfer of wealth.  Are you going to believe what they tell you?


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 08:22 | 3074218 DanDaley
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Great video...I sent it  to everybody I know with a who gives a damn.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 09:36 | 3074325 CoolBeans
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I recognize your right to be a victim, if you so choose.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:09 | 3073166 docmac324
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Two Words for S&W:  Sig Sauer.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:17 | 3073188 IllusionOfChoice
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Like so many nice things, from Switzerland.

I wish they exported some of their older innovations/implementations (democracy) too.

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 23:52 | 3073728 BidnessMan
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The Swiss are no fools. Everyone is in the reserves with their assault weapons stored at home. Ever wonder why Nazi Germany never invaded Switzerland?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 02:33 | 3074001 A Nanny Moose
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indeed! how did a nation smack dab in the middle of WWI and WWII manage to remain neutral?

Mon, 12/17/2012 - 20:31 | 3073224 The Miser
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It is a good thing that Europeans do not have guns.  Just think what the end of a soccer game would look like if they did.  In Europe, they trample you to death when their team loses. 

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