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Gun Sales Soar In Aftermath Of Newtown Killings

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As so often happens when dealing with the fickle public, the aftermath of the news of the second worst school massacre in US history has led to precisely the opposite outcome to the one desired by the media and at least part of the general population. Because in the backlash for gun control at its tamest, and against weapon ownership of any kind at its most rabid, driven primarily by those who don't own weapons, everyone else decided to think one step ahead and preempt what may soon be yet another governmental subjugation of a constitutional amendment. The result? An absolute surge in weapon sales in the days following last Friday's tragedy.

The Guardian reports:

Karl Durkheimer is more coy than might be expected of a man with a pistol on his hip.

 

Durkheimer's gun shop looks to have enjoyed record sales of semi-automatics – "modern sporting rifles", as he calls them – and handguns at the weekend. But he doesn't want to talk specific numbers.

 

Nor is he terribly keen to speculate on the causes of the sudden demand. But he acknowledges that it probably has everything to do with a man killing two people with an assault rifle last week in a Portland shopping mall less than 10 minutes drive away, and Friday's massacre of 20 small children and seven adults on the other side of the country in Connecticut.

 

"Handgun sales are up substantially and modern sporting rifles are up astronomically," he said after a few days when his shop, Northwest Armory, was packed with buyers sizing up the most popular pistol in the US, the Glock, and the military-style AR-15 assault rifle, which also comes with a pink stock for women. "The people you see are twofold. There are first-time buyers who are in fear of what the future will bring. But most of what you saw is people hedging their bets that there might be a political policy put forward by the liberal side of the government."

 

Durkheimer means his shoppers fear that the shock of the Newtown, Connecticut, killings might cause the public and Congress to support a reinstatement of the ban on some of his most popular lines.

 

That's a picture replicated across the US from California to Louisiana, and even in Newtown where Robert Caselnova said his gun shop saw high demand for assault rifles in the days after the killings. The nationwide increase in sales was reflected in longer than usual delays for legally required background checks which in some cases took hours rather than minutes.

 

The surge in sales is not unusual. Following a mass killing at a Colorado cinema in July, applications to buy guns rose more than 40% in a week. The murder two years ago of six people during an assassination attempt against congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, who was badly wounded, prompted a 60% increase in gun sales in a single day in Arizona.

And while we have been following the slow and steady rise in gun sales, punctuated by two key events which have sent gun sales soaring, namely the Obama election and reelection, the pick up in sales seen last weekend is unprecedented. And to confirm fears that whether by way of the Second Amendment or not, various chains may halt gun sales, earlier today we got confirmation from Dick's Sporting Goods that they have suspended sales of rifles nationwide:

Dick’s Sporting Goods Inc. (DKS), the largest U.S. sporting-goods chain, has suspended sales of modern sporting rifles in the wake of the shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, as the community mourns victims of the massacre.

 

Sales of all guns have been stopped at its store closest to the shooting, the Coraopolis, Pennsylvania-based company said today in an e-mailed statement.

 

Dick’s is pulling the products after 26 people -- mostly children -- were killed during a Dec. 14 shooting rampage at an elementary school in Newtown. The chain, which has more than 500 stores in the U.S., sells guns and ammunition in stores and not online, according to its website.

 

“We are extremely saddened by the unspeakable tragedy that occurred last week,” the company said in the statement. Dick’s is removing the guns “out of respect for the victims and their families.”

Noble gesture, to be sure, but all it is really doing is leading to even greater sales at all other gun retailer outlets. And indeed, as fears that more and more companies may halt sales, the scramble to weaponize themselves, will keep Americans busy for days and weeks to come.

On the question of how gun owners see last Friday's tragedy, the Guardian had this to add:

The buyers regard the Newtown killings as a tragedy, but view any connection to their right to own weapons as a political ploy aimed at depriving them of their guns.

 

"It's terrible what happened. It's just plain evil," said Richard Merritt on the steps of the gun shop after browsing assault rifles with a thought to buying himself one for Christmas to supplement the handguns and hunting rifle he owns.

 

"But there's people trying to use that to say I'm responsible because I own a gun. Where's the connection? The only people making one are doing it for political ends because there's not one of these massacres would ever have been stopped by a law that takes my gun away. But now they're talking about doing that again, I think this may be the time to buy."

 

Durkheimer is sick of gun owners being painted as the problem. Like many, he feels demonised and vilified for the crimes of a few because he enjoys hunting and shooting ranges. That puts him on the defensive when groups campaigning for tightened gun regulation might be better off trying to win him over with assurances that their calls to restrict the sale of assault rifles and magazines that hold large numbers of bullets won't end with the confiscation of handguns and hunting rifles.

 

"It's just another thing that will drive a wedge between us. Instead of the United States being a melting pot it's more polarised," he said.

Well, class warfare in the US is nothing new. And of course, what is most ironic, is that it is precisely the fear of forced, unilateral rejection, by either or all three branches of government, of the original constitution and its various amendments that has Americans scrambling into gun stores. And thus the closed loop nature of the problem: by threatening to take away America's guns, the government is only exacerbating a problem that is steeped in 200+ years of history and is engrained deep in American psychology.

What is the solution?

We don't know, but we do know that the government stepping in confident it can and will fix and regulate everything is precisely what will only make the problem far, far worse.

We do know that heart of the problem is far, far deeper than one or more tragic mass shootings can reveal. In fact the full extent of the problem begins to be unmasked courtesy of the chart we showed yesterday, and which was to be found, ironically enough, in the most recent Smith and Wesson investor presentation.

 


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Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:01 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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I'm more worried about the mice getting to the food reserves than the fucking spooks...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:00 | Link to Comment chunga
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Ageed about the "anti-prepper" theme. Not sure about the other stuff.

There was some crazy show on recently, prepper A shot off his gun in prepper B's ear and he went deaf for a few minutes.

Apparently he recovered, but had enough time to have a mental breakdown.

Another TV "prepper" started a fire in his house (no fireplace) to keep warm and was caught by surprise when the house filled with smoke.

They had to run out, but had to break the windows and put the fire out first.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:14 | Link to Comment Canucklehead
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The storyline is similar to that Storage Wars show.  The show's "executives" seed the plot line to generate buzz about the show.

It's like watching Holder's Fast n' FUrious on TV. 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:28 | Link to Comment Freddie
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TV is for retards who support The Matrix and support being a serf.  Ditto Hollywood.  F TV and F Hollywood.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:07 | Link to Comment Jonas Parker
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TPTB are sure as hell welcome to try. Somehow I think that they'll have a major recruiting problem after their first several raids for guns and/or gold go terribly wrong though...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:25 | Link to Comment chunga
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I've got no bone to pick with preppers, in fact I try to be prepared myself.

The TV people have an agenda to cherry-pick and lump them all into a bunch of nuts worthy of ridicule, contempt, and maybe even a few new "safety" laws.

 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:13 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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Heh. I wrote something along those lines. Cameo appearances by Tyler and Marla:

http://madscienceunlimited.com/fiction/thisHeartOfGold.html

Diamond has that certain touch. Or maybe it's a total disregard for convention. Anyway, you don't want to get on the wrong side of her sense of what's going to be allowed, don't care who you are, including if you are the sharpest bad-asses ever to come out of IntSect.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:09 | Link to Comment Dingleberry
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Liberals created this violence problem with their imposed social debauchery, free of any moral restaints, hyper-medication of children, and their union-teacher-thug brethren turning schools into feral wastelands that make an African jungle appear more civilized.  

Now they are magnamimous and prescient with their offer of "solutions" (i.e. gun control).  

Ever hear of "Hegelian Dialectic"?

Why doesn't anyone ask why this shit all-of-the-sudden started happening in the last 10-15 years?  The answers are obvious.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:40 | Link to Comment Zap Powerz
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My son is 14 and wants to start hunting.  I dont really like hunting much.  I used to hunt big game a lot and then one day I just got sick of killing animals so I quit, but if my son wants to hunt I will teach him how and I will take him hunting.

Now I have to buy *another* gun for him to use.  It will be a hunting rifle, likely a Winchester Model 70 .270.  Clearly this fine weapon will have a dual use.  If it can kill a deer at 1,000m Im pretty sure it can kill other mammals of similar size and weight.

Some people might question the stainless steel, heavy match grade barrel, mercury recoil reducers, bipod and high powered scope for hunting applications, but some people dont pay attention to their environment either.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:59 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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when you absolutely positively have to kill every single mother fucker in the room, there is only one weapon i reach for

the AK 47

i dont slaughter people very often, but when i do, i do it half drunk on dos equis

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 23:55 | Link to Comment rotagen
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"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -Thomas Jefferson, proposed Virginia constitution, June 1776. 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C. J. Boyd, Ed., 1950) 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 23:56 | Link to Comment rotagen
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Oh yeah I forgot... Kiss my Glock.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Thank ggodness for the preppers, if not for them we wouldn't have any economy left.

By the way Obummer is making a move for the guns.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/12/white-house-obama-would-support-new-gun-laws-152297.html

 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:24 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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Certainly, we should expect the despot to send swarms of his officers and agents to attempt to seize any liberty that may be left.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:29 | Link to Comment malikai
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Agreed. But who is the real despot?

All I see are puppets and pawns.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:32 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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One at a time, for better or worse.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:27 | Link to Comment El Oregonian
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COME AND GET 'EM!!!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:34 | Link to Comment Translational Lift
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COME AND GET 'EM!!!

COME AND TRY TO GET 'EM!!!

There....fixed it for ya...........

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:53 | Link to Comment Ookspay
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"From my cold dead hands"

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:08 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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exactly

dead

yes

fingers cold

yes

pool of blood surrounding you

yes

tv crews surrounding your house and the news crews branding you as another terrorist in this long fight

yes

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:38 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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The Choomwagon takes away your guns before it takes away your gold.  Goes in that order.  

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:55 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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No doubt.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:11 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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Jim Sinclair had a point. He must be readying his plane for Africa, though they're worse off. I don't think he fully understands the fight gunowners are prepping for though.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:49 | Link to Comment Translational Lift
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So....this fucktard comes up behind a truck driver....beats him with a baseball bat over the head until dead....steals his dump truck.....drives against traffic up on the interstate....runs head-on into a bus....kills the driver and 56 passengers.  What are we to do.....Oh I know....ban the cause....dump trucks....NO...ban baseball bats. 

NO....of course not....BAN GUNS!!!    /sarc

Bunch a dumbfucks..........

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:35 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Incomplete story...

~~~

Clearly the [fucktard] was a 'prepper towelhead' & in an incalcuable statistical/mathematical anomoly [made to sound normal], 56 out the 57 dead were jews heading to a bar-mitzvah... The bus driver was a war hero who had won a Purple Heart on the Syrian battlefield...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:45 | Link to Comment alt.hedge
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All your guns is belong to us.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 20:52 | Link to Comment klockwerks
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You are so right about the $ that prepers are putting in the economy. Larger ticket items to

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:21 | Link to Comment I Am Not a Copp...
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Gunz, Bitchez!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:41 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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REGULATE... bitchez!

~~~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plPyJdXKIY

But you can't be any geek off the street... U gotta be able to handle the steel if you kno what I mean...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:47 | Link to Comment orangedrinkandchips
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i hear ya brother!

 

good one!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Two in the mornin' got to FATBURGER...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:29 | Link to Comment Catullus
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Even saw the lights of the Goodyear Blimp

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:37 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Today I dinnt even haf 2 use my AK...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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When it comes to modern sporting rifles, one is none and two is one. That's the rule.  Celebrate liberty.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:44 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Modern firearms. Sporting has nothing to do with it. Perhaps you realize this, however many do not. It is important.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:49 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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You do realize that the word "Lunatic" was banned by Congress on 05 December 2012.  The despot is expected to sign the "legislation" soon.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:24 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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And you realize that there is a legitimate sporting purposes clause built into all of this gubgrab nonsense. Does the 2nd amendment apply only to sporting purpose guns or all guns?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:30 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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I hear ya' - not taking a shot at you personally, just commenting on the sheer nonsense bandied about in DC these days.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:39 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Everything must be defined, understood agreed upon before any meaningful discussion can be had. The term "assault weapon" comes to mind. It is well defined, yet everyone has a differing opinion of it's nature. I hate that.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:21 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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I don't think there is any weapon -- including a claw hammer used as a weapon -- that is not in the end an assault weapon. Even if used in defense. You are going to assault someone in defense.

People don't think about things very clearly. Worse, they hang on words like they were protective talismans.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:35 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Those who refuse to initiate violence but who will defend themselves when necessary can rightly refer to their arms as anti-assault weapons.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:38 | Link to Comment nonclaim
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"assault" being used in different ways to confuse on purpose... everyone hates that.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Sockeye
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Looking more and more like the Divided States of America.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:32 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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An amicable separation is preferable to a bitter divorce.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:56 | Link to Comment Ookspay
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Yep, irreconcilable differences; you keep abortion and gay marriage and I'll keep the gold and guns, good luck with your life.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:31 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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No doubt.

Today's liberals are little more than the counter-civilization yin of primitive impulses opposing the proven principles, ideas, and institutions of civilization's yang.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:32 | Link to Comment Ookspay
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Haha, I had to read it twice, but yeah you got it! Almost nothing of liberalism makes sense until one rationalizes and even then it's a downright twisted philosophy.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:41 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Much of what the liberals recommend makes sense if considered as voluntary options for some individuals. The problem is that they try to guilt everybody into thinking and believing the same things. They're laying on one hell of a guilt trip right now. But of course we know that it's the people who don't want innocent victims to be able to defend themselves who are the one's with blood on their hands.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:29 | Link to Comment Ookspay
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Right on Crocket. Because liberal politicians are such skilled liars and are completely devoid of shame they are experts at shaping an argument; "Don't you want to stop the slaughter of innocent school children?"

Oh and gop politicians are also very good liars.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:48 | Link to Comment SmallerGovNow2
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True but also looking more and more like the United Socialist States of Amerika (USSA)....

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:55 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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Well, if the division is along the lines of gun owners and non-owners, it should go rather smoothly,

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Waterfallsparkles
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People feel like they have to protect themselves and their Family with all of the Crazies running around on Prescribed Drugs or even bath salts.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:05 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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Or soon to be defunct EBT cards.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:23 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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This is threat numero uno.  The "comrades" would like nothing better than to use "non-state actors" to "re-distribute the wealth".  This is why you bought those guns.  Ask a Korean grocer.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:24 | Link to Comment zilverreiger
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Don't let the maffia take away your rights!

I'd especially stock up on ammo and unregistered guns

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:32 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Directed EMP weapons seem to be the cure for drones.

Works on police cars, and armored vehicles.

For the price of two/three AK47's.

Every good man should have one.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:42 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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Thanks Winston.  As I say to my squeeze, you are useful as well as decorative.

Saving some cash for the post-Christmas sales.  Feeling the need for some night vision.  Anyone have recommendations?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 04:25 | Link to Comment Nage42
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Well, I don't know what your time is worth, but the 4-6 months to go from design idea to tested known-working-good prototype isn't exactly "cheap" going at my 1-manday oportunity cost.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying that for most of us, time is not "free."

 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:23 | Link to Comment Dr Benway
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So the solution to the gun problem is more guns. Kinda like how the solution to the debt problem is more debt.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:29 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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Today's liberals are about coercion, pure and simple.  Modern sporting rifles are one antidote to the primitive, coercive, counter-liberty impulses of today's liberals.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:42 | Link to Comment Top_Kill
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Dr Benway is correct. and since medical malpractice kills thousands each year it is only humane to ban all the Doctors. Right?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:50 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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I'd settle for banning all of today's liberals.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:40 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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the term 'banning' does not even exist outside of a legislative framework... It's a construct... Make laws to 'ban' this or 'ban' that... Only a liberal fucktard could even conceive of such a thing...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:43 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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In the marketplace in Cairo... Indiana Jones dodn't have to worry about whether there was a ban [in effect] on guns or swords...

~~~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anEuw8F8cpE

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:05 | Link to Comment Gazooks
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What?! All ideological naratives are propaganda. PeriodNothin' coercive about the business end of an AR, huh?

 

A 'sporting' rifle was quick work antidote to the now non-existent future liberties of twenty 6 & 7 year olds.

 

Besides, killing anything for fun is purely neurotic pasttime of frightened, impotent, homocentric psychos who don't or can't give a fuck about anybody else's liberty.

 

Primitive pathetically defined.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:36 | Link to Comment aerojet
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What you said doesn't make any sense--a tragic school bus accident could also have deprived those 20 of their future liberties.  I think that in life there is a certain amount of risk and that it has nothing at all to do with the things you are trying to draw lines between here.

Also, how do the shooting sports relate to killing for fun?  I don't think you're actually qualified to be running your mouth on a subject you clearly don't know much about. 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:23 | Link to Comment Gazooks
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A tragic school bus accident didn't kill those children. A psychopath with an AR did. A weapon obtained ostensible to family protection.

 

Kids lives are at risk by pretending that unlimited retail access to military assault rifles has anything to do with preserving liberty. Doesn't preserve anything but a false sense of security. Besides, not a legitimate hunting weapon for game.

 

Killing for fun is evidenced every hunting season by the stacks of discarded, rotting deer carcasses at every rural dumpster in my county. It's not hunt for food, it's thrill of the kill by big little boys that don't have a conscious or developed sense of masculine idendity. They think that somehow makes them men. It just exposes them as weak, sad and pathetic conformists to a culture preoccupied with mindlessly superficial existence.

 

I wasn't replying to your post in any case, and you have no fucking idea of who I am or how qualified my opinion. 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:03 | Link to Comment Abaco
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It is pretty apparent you can'tget basic facts correct. No military assault rifle was used in the killings.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:26 | Link to Comment Gazooks
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Yeah, ...apparent

 

oh, wait!

 

...authorities have established that Adam Lanza shot open an entrance into Newtown's Sandy Hook Elementary School. He fired multiple magazines -- each one with 30 bullets -- from a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle to kill six adults and 20 children from two classrooms. Each victim was shot multiple times before Lanza used a handgun to kill himself.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/17/us/connecticut-school-shooting/index.html

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:49 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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You have made it crystal clear that you do not know what constitutes an assault rifle- the Bushmaster most certainly is not. You are a stupid person with no understanding of weapons who latched on to a phrase thrown about by idiots who also do not know anything about weapons and repeat it like a parrot.

Go back to watching movies where everyone has them, they are quite rare in civilian hands in the real world.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:33 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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"Today's liberals are about coercion, pure and simple."

So were yesterdays.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:27 | Link to Comment darteaus
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If we disarm the police it will immediatly take 100,000 handguns off the street.

Less guns makes us safer, right?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:59 | Link to Comment Translational Lift
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Yep.....A couple months ago NYC cops shot 9 bystanders trying to get a perp.  You were right and didn't know it!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:33 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Fewer family pets will be shot.  Anymore the cops just shoot people's dogs because they can get away with it.  I am not talking pitbulls either.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:28 | Link to Comment HelluvaEngineer
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Remind me again - what exactly is the "problem"?  Do you know or is that just a cliche you heard on duh teevee?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:31 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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There is no gun problem, There is a misallocation of force problem.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:51 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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Gun control:  Hitting what you intend to shoot.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:34 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Arm all teachers and principals Dr Benway, damn straight! Disarm the govt. 'Drone Control' legislation is the only thing that Clowngress should have their busy little fingers into.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:45 | Link to Comment DanDaley
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No, the solution is the removal of all leftist/statist/progressive/socialist/communist schmucks from all areas of life.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:56 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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You sound like a candidate for a starring role in a tragic lead story on the evening news. And no doubt it will lead back to posts like that and conclude "we should have seen it coming".

And let me take a wild guess here: You've got a shit-load of guns and ammo, right?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 21:56 | Link to Comment DanDaley
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No, punkie, not a fascist. It's the progressives who are the "smily-faced fascists" that George Carlin talked about when he described how this country would be lost to people like Bloomberg, etc., who do everything for "your own good" because you are supposedly too stupid to think for yourself.

 

Just because normal Americans have severe disagreements with the left does not mean that we are nursing our grievances into obsessions, as an historian once said in reference to President McKinley's assassin, the leftist/anarchist Leon Czolgosz.

 

By the way, why is it so many assassins, or would-be assassins come out of the left -from John Wilkes Booth, to Czolgosz, to Lee Harvey Oswald, "Squeaky" Fromme, etc.? Just wondering.

 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:00 | Link to Comment aerojet
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I was walking in to work this morning thinking about how awful progressives are--the teetotalers of the last century were so wrong on alcohol and these current folks don't every learn a thing from history.  Thousands and thousands of people died because of alcohol prohibition.  Their future liberties were cut short because a few vocal idiots got a bad constitutional amendment passed.  Progressive is a dirty word to me--it represents everything I have come to dislike about the United States and its population of empty-headed, easy answers people. 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:52 | Link to Comment BullsNBeers
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Umm... Yeah. It is.

When Florida passed it's CC permit laws ( I think it was 1987) the media was howling that it was going to be a blood bath.

What happened? Well here's what the Florida Department of Law Enforcement is reporting:

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/FSAC/Menu/Crime-Trends/Violent-Crime...

Take a look at those numbers. Murder down over 25%. Overall violent crime down more than 50%.

 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:34 | Link to Comment Freddie
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The word was Dodge City.  Governor Bob Martinez (R) caught endless hell for it too.  He signed the bill.  He is probably the last decent Gov in FL.  I am glad I left that place.  It will not be a nice place when the SHTF. 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:00 | Link to Comment WTFx10
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Dr. there is no GUN problem. Tell me how many Law abiding people create a problem. Its a Mental retard problem, which I lump u into that group,

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:22 | Link to Comment N. B. Forrest
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LMAO

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:47 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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So the solution to the gun problem is more guns.

 

Your premise is faulty.  There is no gun problem.  The person who showed up at the school was a deranged murderer (mom was dead at that point) who was toting firearms illegally (they were not registered to him).

So let me rephrase your rhetorical question: so the problem to lawbreakers illegally accessing firearms is to impose more laws.

Thanks for playing.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:24 | Link to Comment JustPrintMoreDuh
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On the sixth day of Christmas my true love gave to me ... a fully loaded automatic uzi ... 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:35 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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I can't wait that long.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:56 | Link to Comment Thisson
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Too much recoil.  Can you exchange for PDW with grip?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:26 | Link to Comment DanDaley
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Obama to Holder: "Gi' me 5, bra!"

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:42 | Link to Comment pupton
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This is the exact irrational, emotional outcry/response Obama/Holder were hoping to get from their Operation Fast and Furious murders.  THIS KIND OF MURDER AND SUFFERING IF WHAT OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS WANT!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:55 | Link to Comment WTFx10
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"THIS KIND OF MURDER AND SUFFERING IS WHAT THE OWNERS WANT!" Fixed it for you

AND THEY AREN"T DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS

How many Bankers went to jail again? How many people have they killed?

Who wants to disarm the slaves ?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:27 | Link to Comment darteaus
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Because every mass shooting proves your government can not protect you from those intent on murder.

If pilots on 9/11 were armed, the cockpit intrusions would not have occurred.

If the principal at Newton responded with a gun would the outcome have been worse?

Citizens know that you can only respond during a security crisis if ready, willing and able to use deadly force.

Serfs line up and wait.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:51 | Link to Comment Withdrawn Sanction
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Indeed.  As the old saying goes, "when seconds count, police are minutes away."  No indictment against police, BTW.  THey simply cant be everywhere at once...and moreover, you would not want them to be...everywhere. 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:28 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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Safety has no basis in reality. Even walking out your front door is not without risk.  Even in your own bed you are never really safe, just ask Elizabeth Smart.  We are safe in the way a fish swimming in a school of fish is safe - statistically, which works for each of us until it doesn't.  

I've read that Adam Lanza was schizophrenic.  A certain, probably statistically predictable number of such persons with this diagnosis are going to become delusional and violent and do terrible, senseless things. Schizophrenics and people with bipolar disorder tend to frequently go off their medications and decompensate. I have noticed that very little information on the shooter in this instance is forthcoming, only vague references that he might have had Asperger's.  I believe that the dialog is being managed towards firmer gun control rather than where it belongs, in the care and treatment of the mentally ill among us, probably because the state no longer cares to pay for this service and has refused to do so since the 70s, when mental hospitals were systematically closed and the residents put out into the streets.  Take away guns and other methods will be used to commit mayhem.  Such things as this school shooting were almost unheard of until the middle of the 1970s.  A check on Wikipedia shows 1 in 1910 in which 1 person was killed and then nothing until the 1970s.  A big difference between now and 40 years ago, when such things as this school shooting were almost unheard of, is that people such as Adam Lanza were housed in state institutions for their safety and the safety of the public.    

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:27 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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They sure as a hell aren't buying them to turn in later..................

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:13 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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I thought about this...  but, I think it may be too rosy of a prediction.  If the government may take, but is required to pay us fair market value for the items it takes, then would people not accept to turn in their firearms for hysteria level prices?  I think we'd probably get a lot of takers...

Of course, the flip side, is that should you contest the government's valuation of your firearms, you could end up with 300,000,000 lawsuits...  and a right to a jury trial on each no less...  (who tend to value things consierably higher than the government is typically willing to pay).

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:35 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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That would be a great place to start.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:07 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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I'd rather use the gun to shoot a lawyer and a banker and then turn it in for free...(have to retrieve my others from the pond).

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:29 | Link to Comment orangedrinkandchips
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fucking VIDEO GAMES are really to blame for the never-ending violence in our society...like Halo or other games like this are real!!

I see it in my kids and it's scary!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:35 | Link to Comment TraderTimm
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Obvious troll is obvious.

Please tell us again how fearful you are of violence as you watch your kids play Halo on the XBox 360 you bought them.

Fucking muppet.

 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 20:14 | Link to Comment Freddie
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I disagree.  I would said strong antidepressants given to kids is first but violent movies and video games which also condition the brain are not far behind.

The video game industry is Hollywood.  Hollywood is also TV.  Hollywood/TV want to disarm you and make you a serf.  

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:41 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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Add some antidepressants to the mix and you got yourself a really lethal cocktail.

What consistency can we find in these types of mass killings? Privileged white kids on medication.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:42 | Link to Comment Ballin D
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Its certainly not the parents' fault...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:51 | Link to Comment pods
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Some things in life have no explanation.  Humans natually try to find a reason in acts like this because we all want to know that things will be alright if we can just figure out a logical reason.

Some things just happen.  Some awful, terrible things.

And when these types of things happen, our false facade of security is smashed.  Humans, instead of realizing that we had up a facade, scurry around and try to rebuild the facade.

Hence we clamor for more feel good, emotionally based actions that will rebuild our little nest of security.

Then when it is too late we realize that some very smart people know human behavior, and in fact count on it to get their goals accomplished.

pods

 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:59 | Link to Comment crusty curmudgeon
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Indeed.  And the individuals who are concerned more about self-improvement than "fixing" others can let this go.  The superior-intellect statists who know better can't deal with the notion that "some things just happen" -- they must fix it.

These same statists would never trust themselves with a gun so why should they trust everyone else, who they see as morally and intellectually inferior?

These are the underlying notions that motivate the gun grabbers.

 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:14 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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your trolling aside, I think the book has been closed on that chapter given the majority of mass killers never had any interaction with violent video games and the remainder didn't utilize them or value them as any priority in their lives...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:30 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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BTW, another one of Eric Holder's Fast & Furious AK-47s has been recovered at a Mexican mass murder scene, as reported today:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57559809-10391739/fast-and-furious...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:50 | Link to Comment WTFx10
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Thats ok , as long as it was the Federal Government breaking the law no problems.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:53 | Link to Comment Withdrawn Sanction
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More "collateral damage" no doubt.  Im sure Holder meant well. /s

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:32 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Meanwhile; In the News!

Chavez, and Putin are immediately going to start for the FIRST time in History(outside the ComBlocs), the manufacturing of the real deals,FULLY Automatic AK47's.

New factories are slated/already being planned, and maybe even have broken ground, as I type, in Venzuela and Brazil.

How long before those reach HamErica?. A first in history........................

No REAL AK's went to Mexico from the USA,(Fast n Furious did that) they got semi auto clones, and if CONVERTED to Full Auto, the cartels did it there.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:39 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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AK47 = the gun that liberated the world.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:29 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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But...but...CNBC is proclaiming everyone is 'turning in' their guns and gold and buying stawks now.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:29 | Link to Comment -1Delta
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cars kill people too- lets ban them since they kill the most.

 

Those buying now are a bit late IMO.....

 

Things were cheap in 98, today not inasmuch

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:30 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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Like I'd buy a rifle at Dick's Sporting Goods anyway... Big loss.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:46 | Link to Comment crusty curmudgeon
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"Noble gesture, to be sure, but all it is really doing is leading to even greater sales at all other gun retailer outlets."

You might call it a noble gesture but I'd call it moronic.  They will lose a lot of business because of this...and I'm not just talking about guns.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:31 | Link to Comment pods
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Growing up I used to shop at the original Dick's Sporting goods. That place rocked.  They had what you needed and would stock stuff based on what you told them.

As soon as they figured out that overpriced clothes had much higher margins than a Rapala it all went to shit.

pods

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:07 | Link to Comment aerojet
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I visited a Dick's while out Xmas shopping this past weekend--nothing but over-priced crap.  "Mall sporting goods."  Dick's is going to find out that the shooting community has a long memory.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:30 | Link to Comment brown_hornet
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Hope some of that increase is to school officials.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:29 | Link to Comment chet
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Bury them in your backyard with your canned goods!  Plenty of space left in the Y2K bunker.  Y2K didn't quite pan out, but I'm sure the next apocolypse will be for real.  Fucking morons.

You're all going to die of old age with a fucking arsenal and thousands of bullets in the basement, and your kids and grandkids are going to clear out the house thinking "grandpa was a fucking nutball."

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:34 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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Just because I have a tornado shelter doesn't mean I want my house to be blown away. Fucking moron.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:35 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Naw... it'll likely be some autistic kid that'll do you in when you least expect it...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:48 | Link to Comment WTFx10
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Regulate the Mentals

Maybe if healthcare actually did something for all the money we throw at the insurance companies we wouldn't have to penelize LAW ABIDING serfs. How many Bankers have gone to Jail again?

3000 + died on 9/11 maybe we should outlaw jets that carry more than 25 people?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:55 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Wow, seems pretty Statist to me...you sure you want to go that way? Are you willing to pay the taxes for it?

I would say that more than a few here might not pass a social competancy test...

And I would further add that you are very lucky to not know anyone close that might fail the criteria or you are living in denial...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:57 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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Go back to the abyss from whence you came Flak.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:03 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Hey, it wasn't me that called for locking up the "socially undesirables"....

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:27 | Link to Comment WTFx10
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Neither did I .

 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:29 | Link to Comment WTFx10
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Oh wait I did type "Jail the Bankers". Is that who you were typing/referencing about?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:52 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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You did type "Regulate the Mentals"...

Or did your ADD cause that to slip your mind...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:35 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Wow Chet you are a straight up retard.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:44 | Link to Comment chet
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Actually, I'm one of the few intelligent people left here.  Not sure why I bother to post any more.  After 5 years, ZH is nothing but hallucinating shut-ins and birthers.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:49 | Link to Comment crusty curmudgeon
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Unfortunately, you can demand neither respect nor intelligence.  Saying something won't make it so.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:02 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Then fucking GET LOST... You're messing up the gene pool...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:02 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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I've been here awhile. He's always been a fucktard.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:10 | Link to Comment vato poco
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Long experience teaches us that people who publicly and loudly proclaim their intelligence, modesty, loyalty, or honesty invariably turn out to be the exact opposite of what they claim to be.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:20 | Link to Comment WTFx10
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Financial Phd's come to mind.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:37 | Link to Comment pods
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Well in my defense, it is tough to be modest when you are as awesome as I am!

pods

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:52 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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There are still a few rational beings left...

Hey, I have a two guns and I am not worried about the librul conspiracy to take them away... Those days are long gone...

I think that the idea of "a colored guy" makes a few of them apoplectic, not to mention some of them crazy-glued the AM dial on Rush's show...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 20:20 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Limbaugh is a wimp like you.  The rest of the faux conservative talkers are light weights.  The only one who is even close to getting it is Beck, Santelli, Jim Rogers, Kyle Bush or James Grant.

Limbaugh talks about teh Steelers and Apple's newest stupid gadget.  He is soft like you.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:56 | Link to Comment Toolshed
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Yes, well..........as the saying goes:

Why allow people to wonder if you are an idiot when you can open your mouth and dispell all doubt.

And now we know. Thanks Chet.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:03 | Link to Comment fuu
Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:06 | Link to Comment chet
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I'm sorry, it's only been 4 years of predicting an end that never comes.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:00 | Link to Comment gwar5
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Adam Lanza was intelligent, too. Since you're still posting, you're not him. Good to know.

 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:06 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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What about the "other" two shooters involved?...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:43 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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THIS IS THE CONNECTICUT STATE POLICE, MR. SAWYER PUT YOUR VIRTUAL HANDS BEHIND YOUR VIRTUAL BACK!!!!!

No.  Not really.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:48 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Just sayin'... Shit ~ it's taking even longer for peeps to catch on [in Newtown] than it did in Aurora... I guess it's becuz of the kids [& the fact that they learned their lesson & the alleged PERP is dead]... How convenient...

~~~

Hey ~ I bet all the dead kids have full fledged FACEBOOK pages erected... 7... 8 year olds... Happens all the time...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:17 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Hey Chet - Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.  That split would be the crack by your arsehole.  Idiot.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:40 | Link to Comment El Oregonian
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BETTER TO THINK THAT THAN TO LOOK OVER AT ME WHILE WE'RE SITTING IN A CONCENTRATION CAMP AWAITING A GAS CHAMBER AND THEY SAY "GRANDPA HOW COME YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING?"

"EFFING IDIOT...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:46 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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That's a hell of a slippery slope you came up with there...

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