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Gun Sales Soar In Aftermath Of Newtown Killings

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As so often happens when dealing with the fickle public, the aftermath of the news of the second worst school massacre in US history has led to precisely the opposite outcome to the one desired by the media and at least part of the general population. Because in the backlash for gun control at its tamest, and against weapon ownership of any kind at its most rabid, driven primarily by those who don't own weapons, everyone else decided to think one step ahead and preempt what may soon be yet another governmental subjugation of a constitutional amendment. The result? An absolute surge in weapon sales in the days following last Friday's tragedy.

The Guardian reports:

Karl Durkheimer is more coy than might be expected of a man with a pistol on his hip.


Durkheimer's gun shop looks to have enjoyed record sales of semi-automatics – "modern sporting rifles", as he calls them – and handguns at the weekend. But he doesn't want to talk specific numbers.


Nor is he terribly keen to speculate on the causes of the sudden demand. But he acknowledges that it probably has everything to do with a man killing two people with an assault rifle last week in a Portland shopping mall less than 10 minutes drive away, and Friday's massacre of 20 small children and seven adults on the other side of the country in Connecticut.


"Handgun sales are up substantially and modern sporting rifles are up astronomically," he said after a few days when his shop, Northwest Armory, was packed with buyers sizing up the most popular pistol in the US, the Glock, and the military-style AR-15 assault rifle, which also comes with a pink stock for women. "The people you see are twofold. There are first-time buyers who are in fear of what the future will bring. But most of what you saw is people hedging their bets that there might be a political policy put forward by the liberal side of the government."


Durkheimer means his shoppers fear that the shock of the Newtown, Connecticut, killings might cause the public and Congress to support a reinstatement of the ban on some of his most popular lines.


That's a picture replicated across the US from California to Louisiana, and even in Newtown where Robert Caselnova said his gun shop saw high demand for assault rifles in the days after the killings. The nationwide increase in sales was reflected in longer than usual delays for legally required background checks which in some cases took hours rather than minutes.


The surge in sales is not unusual. Following a mass killing at a Colorado cinema in July, applications to buy guns rose more than 40% in a week. The murder two years ago of six people during an assassination attempt against congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, who was badly wounded, prompted a 60% increase in gun sales in a single day in Arizona.

And while we have been following the slow and steady rise in gun sales, punctuated by two key events which have sent gun sales soaring, namely the Obama election and reelection, the pick up in sales seen last weekend is unprecedented. And to confirm fears that whether by way of the Second Amendment or not, various chains may halt gun sales, earlier today we got confirmation from Dick's Sporting Goods that they have suspended sales of rifles nationwide:

Dick’s Sporting Goods Inc. (DKS), the largest U.S. sporting-goods chain, has suspended sales of modern sporting rifles in the wake of the shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, as the community mourns victims of the massacre.


Sales of all guns have been stopped at its store closest to the shooting, the Coraopolis, Pennsylvania-based company said today in an e-mailed statement.


Dick’s is pulling the products after 26 people -- mostly children -- were killed during a Dec. 14 shooting rampage at an elementary school in Newtown. The chain, which has more than 500 stores in the U.S., sells guns and ammunition in stores and not online, according to its website.


“We are extremely saddened by the unspeakable tragedy that occurred last week,” the company said in the statement. Dick’s is removing the guns “out of respect for the victims and their families.”

Noble gesture, to be sure, but all it is really doing is leading to even greater sales at all other gun retailer outlets. And indeed, as fears that more and more companies may halt sales, the scramble to weaponize themselves, will keep Americans busy for days and weeks to come.

On the question of how gun owners see last Friday's tragedy, the Guardian had this to add:

The buyers regard the Newtown killings as a tragedy, but view any connection to their right to own weapons as a political ploy aimed at depriving them of their guns.


"It's terrible what happened. It's just plain evil," said Richard Merritt on the steps of the gun shop after browsing assault rifles with a thought to buying himself one for Christmas to supplement the handguns and hunting rifle he owns.


"But there's people trying to use that to say I'm responsible because I own a gun. Where's the connection? The only people making one are doing it for political ends because there's not one of these massacres would ever have been stopped by a law that takes my gun away. But now they're talking about doing that again, I think this may be the time to buy."


Durkheimer is sick of gun owners being painted as the problem. Like many, he feels demonised and vilified for the crimes of a few because he enjoys hunting and shooting ranges. That puts him on the defensive when groups campaigning for tightened gun regulation might be better off trying to win him over with assurances that their calls to restrict the sale of assault rifles and magazines that hold large numbers of bullets won't end with the confiscation of handguns and hunting rifles.


"It's just another thing that will drive a wedge between us. Instead of the United States being a melting pot it's more polarised," he said.

Well, class warfare in the US is nothing new. And of course, what is most ironic, is that it is precisely the fear of forced, unilateral rejection, by either or all three branches of government, of the original constitution and its various amendments that has Americans scrambling into gun stores. And thus the closed loop nature of the problem: by threatening to take away America's guns, the government is only exacerbating a problem that is steeped in 200+ years of history and is engrained deep in American psychology.

What is the solution?

We don't know, but we do know that the government stepping in confident it can and will fix and regulate everything is precisely what will only make the problem far, far worse.

We do know that heart of the problem is far, far deeper than one or more tragic mass shootings can reveal. In fact the full extent of the problem begins to be unmasked courtesy of the chart we showed yesterday, and which was to be found, ironically enough, in the most recent Smith and Wesson investor presentation.


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Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:52 | 3075711 crusty curmudgeon
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Oh, please, brilliant and superior one...please explain to mere commoners like me how that's a slippery slope fallacy. 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:04 | 3075774 crusty curmudgeon
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I am not joking and you just proved my point.  I wanted to see you put the fallacy in writing--to explain it--because I know you can't.

You wouldn't know a logical fallacy if it bit you in the ass.  I've seen you use it yourself while, within a mere few posts, incorrectly blame others for it by citing this same page.

That's all you can do is cite the logical fallacy, which you have obviously never read or understood. 


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:09 | 3075804 Flakmeister
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The argument was "If we control guns the result will be concentration camps"...

Are you that fucking thickheaded?

I didn't know Canada had concentration camps or any one of number of other countries that have tougher gun laws than the US....

I don;t care about your guns, but if you say stupid shit like that it shows you to be a fool....


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:24 | 3075865 crusty curmudgeon
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Your response to "explain the slippery slope" is "I didn't know Canada had concentration camps or any one of number of other countries that have tougher gun laws than the US...."

Really?  Is that your best explanation of how the slippery slope fallacy was used here?

Most preppers I know or have read have either said or likely would say, "I hope I never need this.  I would love it if I'm wasting my money and my grandchildren will think I was a lunatic.  That would make me happy."

The point made was that it is better to have prepared and not need to have done so than to never have prepared at all.  Pointing out an extreme example of this is not an example of the slippery slope fallacy.  Since you apparently have never understood this fallacy you keep citing, let me spell it out for you:  He's not suggesting that nothing short of that is possible.  He's simply making a point.


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:30 | 3075890 Flakmeister
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That was not what he implied and you know it...

Quit fucking around...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:04 | 3076019 fuu
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You first.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:21 | 3076346 El Oregonian
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I'll tell you what I implied. In 1928 Hitler initiated the Nazi Gun Law which effectively introduced GUN CONTROL. During the course of his reign he made gun ownership highly regulated with ownership of guns by annual PERMIT ONLY, eventually refusing to update those permits therefore requiring civilians to turn in their firearms. It was easy for police to round-up and confiscate those permitted firearms since a paper trail had been established.

Here's an article you might want to read next time you open your piehole on gun control:

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:56 | 3076800 Lednbrass
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Gun control in Germany started long before Hitler. That article implies that he somehow did something new, that was not the case.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 20:23 | 3076891 Freddie
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A lot of brave Germans died trying to rid the cancer of Hitler.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:03 | 3076016 dtwn
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Ummmm, no.  Perhaps you should brush up on your English reading/comprehension skills.  The argument was not gun control = concentration camps.  While the idea should have been expanded, I believe the intended meaning was that if there is no access to guns, what are you going to do in the event of an extreme assault against your freedom.  But I could be wrong.  Also see: Poland, 1939.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:59 | 3075745 Global Hunter
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Flakmeister you have been acting like a meterosexual bitch the last few days on here, grow a pair would ya

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:05 | 3075786 Bay of Pigs
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A few days?

How about 2 years and 38 weeks?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:07 | 3075797 francis_sawyer
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better specify... [s]he might interpret that to be 'tits'...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:34 | 3075911 Flakmeister
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I posted anonymously for ~9 months before that. I started following the site very shortly after its inception, you know, when it wasn't polluted with mindless fucktards, birthers, Birchers and other associated whack jobs....

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:46 | 3075954 Bay of Pigs
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And dont forget the Global Warming douchebags...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:59 | 3076005 Flakmeister
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Yeah, thanks, almost forgot those deniers that think thermodynamics is wrong because it doesn't jive with their ideology...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 22:35 | 3077282 Calmyourself
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Yep deniers like Lauren Bouwer admitting that the sun is the real culprit.. No warming in 15 years.  I'll bet  Governmetns got tired of the pressure on energy, it was causing societal stress and have made the IPCC back off the redistribution activism using that particular hoax.  The stupidity and lack of intellectual honesty and investigation by hacks like flak know no bounds.  There should be a zoo for such perhaps Madagascar would serve..

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:36 | 3079255 Flakmeister
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Having read what she wrote, you clearly have a reading comprehension issue...

Just where did she "admit" it was the sun?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:24 | 3075862 Flakmeister
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Would having a pair mean that  I can say that ~20 people on a semi-regular basis is the price that you pay for a gun ownership society? Deal with it...

How about:

1) I do not weep for anyone involved in the latest mass shooting, I simply don't care, 1000 of kids are "lost" every fucking day in this world with a lot less fanfare...

2) I am repulsed by the fucking media circus, it almost like a ritual celebration of the violence...

3) That I find the knee-jerk reaction of a lot of fellow gun owners here to be repulsive...

4) That it was fucking hilarious that mother in this latest shitshow was alledgedly an "economic doom" prepper that thought having a modest home arsenal would enable her to survive... Hands down, my nominee for the 2012 Darwin Award... 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:49 | 3075972 notadouche
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I agree with your knee jerk reaction comment.  However I think the knee jerk reaction is happening on all sides of the equation, not just with gun owners.  Also in keeping with the series of misinformation from the MSM I don't believe Ms. Lanza was a "prepper".  She certainly didn't live like the "preppers" you see on TV.  Newtown is hardly a "southern trailer park uneducated ignorant populace that the MSM leads you to believe "preppers" are. 

Something bugs me about the term "prepper".  If I prepare for some emergency situation I believe is a possiblility then it is somehow a negative connotation.  Not that I am prepared for anything past about 6 pm tonight It's hard for me to see how preparing for emergency is seen in such a negative light.

Not sure I see anything wrong with anyone who doesn't give the govt their full faith and credit trust the govt so richly feel that they deserve.

I too am repulsed by the media circus.  They decend like vultures, pick the bones clean then move on to the next "big story" which may or may not be big.  

I don't agree with not caring about 1000's of kids being "lost" every day.  Fanfare or no, it's a damned shame.  Newtown did not ask for this fanfare.  The media and every headline seeking douche politician is jumping on the bandwagon to up their Q rating along with every celebrity "pop psychologist".  They just love to hear themselves pontificate about things they actually know nothing about.


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:06 | 3076030 dtwn
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I completely agree with your first 3 statements.  Another example of the disproportionate response in the media/gov/national conversation: 211 kids were killed in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes in 2010.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:48 | 3075971 flattrader
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For crimeny sakes.  The whole damn state of Ohio is off into some sort of bio-mass burning frenzy.

>>>Cheryl Johncox of the Buckeye Forest Council said, “Ohio is ground zero for biomass incineration and forest destruction. These proposed biomass-burning schemes will use whole trees that otherwise would not be cut. This is a double whammy: significantly reducing our major source of carbon sequestration while spewing all that carbon directly into the atmosphere. These proposals will require sixty times the amount of “forest residue” in Ohio. They will devastate Ohio public and private forests, as well as likely consume forests of other states and even Canada.”<<<

The only "genocide" planned is for Ohio trees and forests.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:26 | 3076366 WarPony
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FAIL: Take a closer look at these ovens - they're not for trees.  Plus, the incenerator was built by the Vienna Ohio Air National Guard, who were told it was for "MANURE STORAGE."  IMO, this site was for the martial law "project" that didn't go down because: 1) The Militia stood in Montana and shut down the major "Blood (Waco) Games" (Freemen - '96); and, 2) the Internet "popped" and the sheeple started to awake.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:27 | 3075825 darteaus
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And, in a free country, one should be free to make that mistake.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:31 | 3075897 notadouche
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Hey Y2K was the greatest gift Clinton ever got as it "created" millions of jobs (temporary) and trillions of dollars (based on fraud and greed) out of thin air that he got credit for but yet escaped the stink of it as it cratered in the year 2000 and beyond.  Y2K and dot com world was responsible for one of the most fraudulent era's on Wall Street which is saying quite a bit.  Slick Willy benefited as much if not more from Y2K than anyone this side of Henry Blodgett and the rest of the pump and dumpers in the late 1990's.  He got credit for a budget surplus and a "booming economy" and biggest job creating term" that in fact never really existed beyond fantasy island.  When reality met theory, reality won out as it always does.  But of course the "northeastern intelligencia limousine liberal" type that only live in the world of theory and make believe never have connected those dots as it doesn't fit their beliefs and it's easier to look down your nose at people that are not of the same ilk.  

Your post sounds as if you are mocking the "paranoid unintellectual right wing" crowd but I thought I might add a little intellectual honesty that your post is obviously lacking.   

Remember "one day the machines are going to break then the system's going to break then it will be about survival"    From the science community (NASA) apparently all it will take is one giant solar flare and the grid goes down the tubes.  When the grid goes, so too does everything you apparently rely on to get by.  I give you about a day and a half before you start begging the "nutball" next door for a helping hand.  Sad thing is he will probably help you even though your attitude suggest you wouldn't deserve it.



Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:57 | 3075996 flattrader
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If the grid goes down and all the sensitive electronic circuitry is fried in a Carrington Event. Guess what???

It isn't gonna matter that the "nutball" next door has guns, green beans and gold.

Every nuke power plant affected by the event will melt down.  No working electricity.  No cooling.

A good part of the population dies rather quickly, the rest takes a while.

This ain't gonna be like "Revolution."  That idiot TV series has it all wrong.

End of Story.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:00 | 3076007 notadouche
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I'd rather be in the "quick" category than the "takes a while"  Some say life is too short.  I have thought many times life is too long.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:11 | 3076051 flattrader
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I think you misunderstand what "takes a while" means.

It is a function of how close you are to the plant, topography and weather related events.

Your gold won't save you.  Your guns may give you a few more days to finish off your greenbeans before you can't keep them down from the nausea.  By then you'll be lucky if someone takes your gun and blows your brains out.  Radiation sickness is not a good way to go from the accounts I've read.

Good luck with that.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:32 | 3076113 notadouche
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I totally understand what "takes a while" means.  Why would you assume I own gold or guns?  Why would you assume that I do not understand location and world events that would take place afterwards.  I simply stated I'd rather go quick than endure for whatever amount of time it would take for me to meet my end.  I simply don't care to survive when I know no one gets out of here alive no matter what.  No point in suffering through radiation sickness or Mad Max or whatever the hell else would happen in an apparent state of anarchy.  

You seem to feel the need to take a condescending tone with me that I assure you is not necessary.  Of course it probably never occurred to you that you may not be the smartest guy in the room.  You might be. I don't know.  I don't make the mistake of assuming anything about anyone and never make the mistake of underestimating another person and their intellectual capabilities or lack thereof regardless of their beliefs.  

Good luck with that.


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 08:30 | 3077963 sink critically
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I've previously held similar opinions to those you express above, however, one small point of fact...

No one does get out of here alive no matter what.

The only variable is the timeline, and odds are most of us will die slowly trying to hide the mental pain of our own mortality if not physical discomfort as well.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:33 | 3075904 aerojet
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Probably more like: " Wow, grandpa had a lot of cool stuff!"  The media seems hell-bent on making gun owners into the new negroes.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:33 | 3075618 Flakmeister
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Meh, just sowing for the next harvest....

Does anyone know when the NRA roadshow will be in CT?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:34 | 3075622 cristo
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"Durkheimer means his shoppers fear that the shock of the Newtown, Connecticut, killings might cause the public and Congress to support a reinstatement of the ban on some of his most popular lines"

Sorry but congress and the public as become irrelevant in king Omamaland .Who need congress when he has executive orders .

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:35 | 3075623 francis_sawyer
Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:36 | 3075630 pupton
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Sig 516 Bitchez!!!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:37 | 3075636 SheepDog-One
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Fuck you Dick's....I'll definitely never buy another thing there again!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:38 | 3075638 mdtrader
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Who cares everybody has a gun in America anyway.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:44 | 3075641 Banksters
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Obama can suck a dick.   THat fucker sells a shit load of munitions to regimes like the House of Saud and the late great Mubarak.   He has given himself unprecedented powers of execution and has BLOOD all over his hooves.  



Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:09 | 3075803 francis_sawyer
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Well at least you can say he is FAST & FURIOUS about his business...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:43 | 3075663 docmac324
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I am waiting for the "pre-ban pmags" going for 150.00

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:52 | 3075712 otto skorzeny
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just bought a bunch of Romanian 75 round AK drums at $100 a pop-spendy but will be worth their weight in gold

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 22:39 | 3077304 Calmyourself
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you can buy Asian design for $89 just saying...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:45 | 3075670 sitenine
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A very real tyranny of the majority exists. All debate is lost if not entirely moot at this point. Welcome to a new day, where your rights are nothing more than what you are told you can have by a 'democratic majority'. You will be subjugated in ways you haven't even thought of yet. Your labor will be stolen by tax, your property will be stolen by edict, and your children will be stolen by poverty. What is a society to do when the majority no longer gives a shit about freedom simply out of desire for perceived safety?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:49 | 3075686 gwar5
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Bloomberg is the new Robespierre, a Left-wing Bourgeois dictator. A "Public servant" who thinks his life is more important than everyone elses. He has armed guards (always) but wants us to take a bullit for his broken ideology by disarming the law abiding little people he works for.


His "Gun free zones" are just target rich 'free fire zones'. With only one exception, every single public mass shooting since 1950 has occurred in a 'gun free zone' where people were separated from their Constitutional right to defend themselves. Those places are deliberately sought out by these killers. Michael 'Robespierre' wants more of same, for the whole country? No thanks. Idiots.

Meanwhile, the real crime spree is ongoing on Wall Street in his own little bourgeois backyard with his blessing.


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:53 | 3075718 Banksters
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Bloomberg showed his skilz when he tried to push out hurricane evacuees for the marathon.  Whadda cockstick.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:56 | 3075737 Global Hunter
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cockstring more like...if at all

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:15 | 3075832 francis_sawyer
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Here's hoping he meets the same fate as Robespierre... A Sante'

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:50 | 3075694 Troncom
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It's like an arms race between the government and their own citizens.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:10 | 3075811 edifice
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And the government won, a long time ago. Sorry, but it's true; you can't compete with their arms.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 20:06 | 3076837 Lednbrass
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And yet their track record against insurgencies in the last 50 years is pretty dismal.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:52 | 3075710 jack stephan
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- Soldiers! Pompey and the Senate have formally declared that Gaius Julius Caesar is an enemy of Rome.

- No!

- They have declared that I am a criminal. They have declared, in effect, that all of you also are criminals!

- No!

- The tribune's veto was not exercised. Peoples
tribune Mark Antony and 50 men of the 13th were assaulted by 1000 head of Pompeian scum.

- No !

- A tribune of the plebs assaulted on the steps of the Senate house! Can you imagine a more terrible sacrilege? Our beloved Republic is in the hands of madmen. This is a dark day, and I stand at a fork in the road. I can abide the law and surrender my arms to the Senate - and watch the Republic fall to tyranny and chaos. Or, I can go home with my sword in hand and run those maniacs to the Tarpean Rock!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:22 | 3076100 Freddie
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The Roman Senate helped destroy Rome.  They sent Roman troops all around the worl on chicken shit missions so they would not be in Rome to protect the public from the Senate rats.    The Roman populace was unarmed so there was little they could do.   Not much has changed i.e. a corrupt Senate.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:53 | 3075716 kragsquest
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Why do the Newtown killings look psychologically like "Psycho"?


Every principal, especially those paid $100K plus should have concealed carry:

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 15:54 | 3075720 Global Hunter
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rhetorical: how come people who want to ban guns from individuals never say boo about the government and its weapons

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:03 | 3075773 Withdrawn Sanction
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?Because government is a force for good?  No, no, that's not it...because government is a force for force.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:48 | 3075908 dexter_morgan
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Because people have been trained, in govt. schools for the most part, to act upon emotions instead of upon thought. Just the term assault weapons shows this - there is no such thing, but they see pictures of nasty looking guns that are really no different than any other semi-automatic rifle and think THESE MUST BE BANNED. No critical thinking goes in to why they someday might be glad they have the right to own and carry, though they cannot conceive of why presently. I wish no evil on them, but if they had been victims of violent sexual crime they may think differently and not take the simpletons way out by blaming the inanimate object.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:02 | 3075761 Mad Mohel
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I hope these gun shop guys make enough to retire, because their businesses are about to be double shitcanned. They kind of deserve it the gouging bastards.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:51 | 3075817 francis_sawyer
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So... If you don't like it... be resourceful and swage your own... Go Kyle Bass & shit... A thinking man could turn nickles into jackets...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:24 | 3076112 Freddie
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My guess is you would like them if they took EBT cards.  It is called capitalism.   Go shove the D*ms h**e and c**e up yo*r arsehole.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:35 | 3076165 Mad Mohel
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Sooner or later we're all going to be on the EBT son. Wow, wish I could see you when you slap that shit down on the donut counter. :D

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:02 | 3075767 A. Magnus
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"rhetorical: how come people who want to ban guns from individuals never say boo about the government and its weapons"

Because these idiots fancy themselves as part of the 'winning team' and can't imagine the government's guns ever being pointed at them. These people deny atrocities like Waco and Kent State and then lecture the rest of the world on how to live...


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:06 | 3075793 edifice
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In Colorado, we broke the state record; CBI reported over 4,000 background check requests over the weekend. Get 'em now, before they're illegal...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:09 | 3075807 dexter_morgan
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This is kind of personal, but I'm going to throw it out there anyways. Person close to me was raped years ago. That was a devastating experience for her and those close to her. She now carries. She feels safer and is bound that what happened to her before will never happen again.

I am not willing to take that right away form her, to protect herself, why are so many others on here willing to do that? I really don't get it my friends.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:48 | 3075967 Cathartes Aura
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culture, working as intended.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:16 | 3076080 gwar5
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83% of Americans will experience a violent assalt in their lives, 52% more than once.


FWIW factoid: DOJ reported in 2005 (last available when I last checked in 2007) there were statistically 0 (zero!) white on black rapes -- Only 5 total were reported, and 3 were frauds, and 2 were really Hispanic perps classified as 'white'.  Meanwhile, there were about 30,000 black on white rapes, or, one every 20 minutes.

Total > 200,000 rapes USA.

So who's the real race victims in society? Where's the hate crime prosecutions to protect us crackers? And the rape stats are like that every year! Homicides too, as most already know, but I was absolutely shocked at the rape stats.

This is not a racial condemnation at all either. Facts are not racist. On the contrary, this is a condemnation of the failure of the 1960's Great Society, and the fact that we can't solve real problems among fellow Americans because we are not even allowed to talk about reality. We are just told to shut up and write the damn checks. 


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:22 | 3076106 gwar5
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Flash: Adam Lanza snapped when found out Mom was going to have him committed.


Can we have please have Michael 'Robespierre' Bloomberg committed?  He'll be happy there, it's another guaranteed 'gun free zone' ...... promise.


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:13 | 3075824 onlooker
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With a terrible economy and unemployment at record highs, gun sales seemed to have been off over the last 3 ½ years with all types of ammunition available at somewhat reasonable prices. There was a shortage of ammo in the time of Gore vs Bush with higher gun sales. Some ammo was difficult to get with high prices. When Bush was elected, gun sales plunged and all types of ammo was available a reasonable prices. The average value of a gun went south with no buyers at any price. The 1st election of Obama caused some hubbub.  Gun sale surge did not happen with the 2nd election of Obama to the extent I expected. Ammo was fairly stable in price and availability. I think the depressed economy had an impact. The Democrats such as Feinstein, Durbin, and Schumer being fairly quiet for the second presidential election and attempt to gain the House, lulled many of the skeptical gun enthusiasts into calm.


With the aggressive attitude and actions of the present White House and the history of Gun Control by the Democrats  starting with President Carter become somewhat of a worry with those that have carefully watched the war against gun ownership through the past decades.


Those who have discussed draconian possibilities since President and Mrs. Clinton were in the White House are now at a consensus that the time is here. Heavy handed gun control is now not a possibility, but will shortly be a reality.


There are over 60 year old, and over 70 year old gun owners that realize the society they  grew up in has been destroyed. The values and stability of the 30s to the 60s has been destroyed. For whatever reasons, and the reasons no longer matter in that society does not appear interested in a change. Many in this group concede that the general population is not responsible enough or sane enough or drug free enough to be in possession of weapons that can be used for offence. Unfortunately some of these weapons that are designed for defense will fall into the category of offense.


As America has fallen victim to criminal bankers and politicians and again watched huge loss of American wealth and jobs and independence and savings and freedom, we now must accept that a majority must fall prey to a small minority increased rate of crime and violence and not have the ability to defend themselves against it. As America has been unable to defend itself against the institutional criminals, America must accept that to save lives of our children we must in the same manner, surrender to all criminals.


However, if the gun ban does not produce a crime free society, there will be hell to pay.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:45 | 3075953 A. Magnus
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"However, if the gun ban does not produce a crime free society, there will be hell to pay."

Really? So tell me how that 'hell to pay' is panning out in Great Britain and Austrailia, where crime skyrocketed after they banned guns...are they giving their governments hell by keeping quiet, with their tails between their legs? Sheeple will ALWAYS submit to whatever 'authority' is paraded before them. Your argument needs legs like the banking system needs accountability...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:26 | 3075870 Marley
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Yeah, Obama backs complete ban on assault weapons!

About the only thing I've agreed with this President.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:27 | 3075877 dexter_morgan
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hey fuckstick - define precisely what an assault weapon is?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:39 | 3075935 DosZap
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hey fuckstick - define precisely what an assault weapon is?

Right on, we know that dude is definitely a MSM Sheeple.

I have given the TRUE facts on exactly what constitutes an ASSAULT WEAPON here many times, some folks just do not get it.

It's like calling Silver GOLD, and vice versa, NO questions asked sheeple accepted.

THIS TIME,LOOK for FrANKeinstein to NOT allow a Grandfather clause to the legislation,SHE will come after the WHOLE ball of wax,which will cause a major shitstorm, and maybe even be the catalyst for open season.

PRAY this does not happen,because it will not be pretty.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:59 | 3076003 crusty curmudgeon
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Well, if you recall from the earlier "assault weapons" ban, they were rifles with those evil looking flash suppressors and bayonet mounts.

<Shiver> Dang, those bayonet mounts are scary!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:34 | 3075913 A. Magnus
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"When Bush was elected, gun sales plunged and all types of ammo was available a reasonable prices. The average value of a gun went south with no buyers at any price. "

Until Katrina, when Bush went all gun-grabber in New Orleans and the idiot, pickle-puffing Neocons cheered as he turned Nawlins into Fallujah.  THAT's when I, and millions like me, bought my guns. Nobody is sticking this Jew into any ovens without a fight...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:48 | 3075961 DosZap
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 Bush went all gun-grabber in New Orleans

Can't hang that one on BUSH bro(although he is guilty of a lot), the Gov, and Mayor and Police chief pulled that shit ALL on their own.(WITH ZERO authority to do so).

Just like Bush was blamed for the Katrina aftermath, and disaster, he called the Mayor Nagin, and the Governor 2-3 times 4-5 days PRIOR to Katrina asking them to evac, the crazy bstds ignored him.

'Needless deaths occured, ALL that was on the Mayor, and Governor.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:54 | 3075987 A. Magnus
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"Can't hang that one on BUSH bro(although he is guilty of a lot), the Gov, and Mayor and Police chief pulled that shit ALL on their own.(WITH ZERO authority to do so)."

Who was the COMMANDER IN CHIEF over ALL national guards, nationwide? The Governor, Mayor and Police Chief? Really? THEY gave the orders to go house to house to take people's guns? I'd like to see evidence of that, especially when NOBODY messes with the chain of command at that level.

"Just like Bush was blamed for the Katrina aftermath, and disaster, he called the Mayor Nagin, and the Governor 2-3 times 4-5 days PRIOR to Katrina asking them to evac, the crazy bstds ignored him."

I'll believe it when I see it; Bush had several months of advance knowledge before 9/11 but I didn't see him calling ANYONE to warn them about ANYTHING.

You can convince me of many things, but convincing me that a traitor cares about this country will need a LOT more work...



Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:28 | 3076129 Freddie
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I don't like Bush but I am not sure he banned guns in New Orleans.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:47 | 3075958 groundedkiwi
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Maybe the school shootings happened because his mother was a prepper. In his warped mind he may have thought he was saving his mother and the children from the end of the world?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:48 | 3075966 docj
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Gun-grabber: We need to have "a conversation about guns".

Translation: I am going to dictate to you sheeple what I want to happen because we've been having "a conversation about guns" in this country for about 40-years and I cannot seem to win on the merits. It's a "conversation" because I further demand that you nod in agreement, like the good sheeple you are.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:59 | 3076002 Bicycle Repairman
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No more conversations.  We're done.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:02 | 3076012 aerojet
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Yup, I agree.  Come and get them if you dare.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:53 | 3075983 notadouche
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According to many stories I've read posted on ZH the biggest "preppers" in our society is the Dept of Homeland Security and the US Government yet the MSM and political elites don't seem to have a problem with that.  It's only when the individual prepares does it seem to be connected with a low intellect move.   Curious.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:54 | 3075989 drmfh
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I called a couple of local gun stores yesterday and today and tried to find out if they had any AR-15s. They both sold everything out. I couldn't find any sites with bulk .223/5.56mm caliber cartridges in stock. Definitely demand is up.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:57 | 3075998 notadouche
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Oh boy I feel a "war on guns" coming as a newly founded dept within the government.  Let's see how has the War ond Drugs worked out?  War on poverty?  War on terror?  War on...

"Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is the definition of insanity"  Hmmm....

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 16:58 | 3075999 Thomas Jefferson
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If guns were illegal Building 7 would still be standing.  Oh wait.  I must have mixed up the story like the BBC.

By the way,  anyone heard what happened with the guy in the Sandy Hook woods with the camo pants and dark jacket?  Didn't think so.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:01 | 3076006 balanced
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There were over 10,000 Americans killed last year by drunk drivers. Where are the cries for banning cars?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:02 | 3076013 A. Magnus
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Doctors killed over 120,000 last year but they're allowed to run as free as Mengele did before the collapse of the last Reich...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:05 | 3076023 notadouche
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Well I think that would more correlate with banning alcohol.  Oh wait that already happened once.  How'd that work out again? 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:32 | 3076155 crusty curmudgeon
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It worked out about as well as the ban on drugs.  Well, I guess that isn't working out very well.

How about this:  It worked out as well as the argument that if we created the Fed, it would put an end to booms and busts?

Er, no, that hasn't worked out so well either, I guess.

How about this:  It worked out as well as WWI would be the war to end all wars.

Er, hmmm. 

This time, though, banning guns will create nothing but pure, blissful peace.  You can count on that!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:42 | 3076194 crusty curmudgeon
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Wake up, Flakmeister!  I hid a logical fallacy in there somewhere.  Can you find it?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:06 | 3076026 dexter_morgan
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An assault weapon ban is sure to fix it..........

Where I used to live as a kid there were two 'mental hospitals' within a 50 mile radius. As an alter boy I had to go to one of those every couple of months to assist with mass. I know they had violent mentally ill in there, and we had to be let in via a locked metal door, and let out same way. Both of these facilities are now closed some 40 years later, but where did all those people go?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:26 | 3076123 Mad Mohel
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Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:27 | 3076127 Duke Dog
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Just went in this morning when I first heard and unloaded my cart. Being doing business with them for almost a decade and they just opened up one of their two retail locations down the road. A total shame!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:38 | 3076178 Freddie
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Cheaper Than Dirt was getting a crap reputation with some gun owners.  They were saying their multiple warehouse pricing sucked. 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:18 | 3076336 Duke Dog
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When I first began doing business with them they had no retail locations and one warehouse in Ft. Worth and one in Shreveport Lo. Delivery service has always been outstanding, but pricing on both delivery charges and product began to suffer 3/4 years ago - although I had not associated it with "gouging" as much as "profitability" issues from a huge expansion in warehousing and adding a couple of retail outlets. It was easy enough with two warehouses involved - shipping was the same amount regardless of which warehouse it shipped from even if the order came from both. It had become much more difficult until I found out that I was spared all shipping charges if I ordered online from inside their store - it was still shipped directly to my front porch. Ah well, what a bitch!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:40 | 3076180 crusty curmudgeon
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This doesn't sound right to me.  They didn't say they were doing this in response to the mass killing, as Dick's did.

It actually worries me a bit.  What specific pressure or threats are they responding to? 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:45 | 3076207 dexter_morgan
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Yeah, plus no mention or statement by NRA - WTF

Startin to like Larry Pratt and GOA better every year

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:47 | 3076220 Mad Mohel
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CTD are gouging bastards and many remember their dirty ammo gouging from the first O election. They are suspending sales to preserve stock and wait to sell when they can get higher prices. That is just around the corner, as soon as Congress get back and fires up the ban machine, you will see CTD selling hand over fist. The prices though will warrant that you grab your ankles, especially if you want an AR.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:02 | 3076282 crusty curmudgeon
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Funny.  I'm not sure whether I'm the conspiracy theorist or you are!?  In any case, I hope you're right.  I'd rather boycott a company for being bastards than them going out of business because of a "3-letter agency" crackdown.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:54 | 3076478 Dave Thomas
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True dat. I won't send CTD another penny after their obvious 2008 gougefest. Natchez and Sportsman Guide are hard to beat.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 03:20 | 3077749 Freddie
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Cheaper than Dirt is in Fort Worth.  There is something about FW I do not like. The only good thing to come out of Fort Worth is when Kyle Bass graduated from TCU.  He was born in Miami and is not related to the FW Bass clan.

CTD can go to hell.  They are real ***ks.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:45 | 3076208 10mm
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Here is the way to go.Voter referendum by counties in each state.Example,Pennsylvania.The dense populatated blue voters can have their way of life in Philadelphia,Pittsburgh or whatever with no semi auto rifles etc etc,and the rural areas(red)can maintain their semi auto rifles,based on votes.It will require a amendment to the state constitution which requires two consecutive legislative seesions.We are divided and will remain divided.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 20:27 | 3076419 Freddie
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I tell you another thing.  Those CS'er in Hollywood are really worried about a backlash.

They think the serfs might get the connection that the Dems are coming for our guns and we might get smart and figure out their sh*t movies and video games along with drugs for kids are a bigger issue.  Hollywood fully backs the criminal class in DC.

Hollywood/TV are the same entity as are video games and Hollywood.

If they try for our guns then gun owners should boycott Hollywood and also TV.  If people boycotted Hollywood's sh*t - any talk of a gun ban or tougher gun laws would be dropped faster than you can say some stupid racist line that the POS racist Samuel L Jackson says in his stupid movies.

F TV, F Hollywood and the Senators they own.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:04 | 3076274 Calmyourself
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FLASH NEWS: Mexican beauty queen gunned down, Fast & Furious weapon found at  scene, let the Fed's disarm first then we can talk

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 02:32 | 3077724 headless blogger
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Exactly.  It is too bad that any mass form of organization to force the FED to Disarm first, is almost impossible anymore. Leaders would be quickly suicided or the organization is quickly co-opted like the Tea Party or the Occupy movement.

But the main point is that for 11 years now the U.S. government has used executive orders, acts, and congressional bills to set up the Authoritarian police state. It is all ready to go...They only need to get the guns banned.  The only thing standing between a full blown police state (soviet style) is the 2nd Amendment.



Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:03 | 3076289 Salon
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The assault weapons ban is coming back in some form.

Buy as many high cap magazines as you can afford.

Especially 40 caliber and .223

Dont worry about weapons and ammo if all you can afford are extra high cap mags.

My sargeant told me a long time ago you will find plenty of those on the battlefield.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:29 | 3076386 DaveA
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Seen on Facebook:

“What is the gun community going to do about the Newtown Massacre?”

“I dunno. What is the gay community going to do about Penn State?”

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:46 | 3076434 Freddie
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If gunowners boycotted Hollywood if congress tries any ban - this shit would end in about 5 minutes.  they like their $$.   This scum and the drug industry have 10x the culpability in any mass murder.

Based on gun sales and polls - a LOT of Americans want guns.  Americans cannot buy guns and ammo fast enough.

Hollywood/videogame/TV - liberals want you DISARMED.  TV, movies and videogames are essentially the same industry.

If we hit them in the pocketbook - they will shut their ******g mouths very quickly.

F you Tarantino, the Miramax Weinstein brothers, Jamie Foxx and Samuel Racist Jackson.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:57 | 3076505 WillyGroper
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>>>>What is the gay community going to do about Penn State?”

You mean pedophile?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:35 | 3076400 GubbermintWorker
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Fuck Dick's Sporting! They permanently pissed me off when they bought out Galayan's, a local sports shop, and promptly quit selling hand guns as Galayans did. And they didn't even start offering AR15's until this last year. Fuck em.

Oh, got 10 pmags and and a S&W SP15 today...... because I can.


Oh, fuck CTD too! They not only quit selling firearms they doubled their price on mags!



Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:11 | 3076577 LetsGetPhysical
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"Never call an unarmed man security, call him 'run-like-hell-when-the-man-with-the-gun-shows-up'. But never call him security". Our problem isn't money, it's denial. - Lt.Col. Grossman, professor of psychology, West Point.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:26 | 3076612 cristo
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The Clinton Assault Weapons Ban was put into effect by executive order on christmas eve 1994 . you have 6 days left . 


Get ready for a repeat ! 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:39 | 3076736 Bugsquasher
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At the largest gun shop here in Charlotte the owner said today that his stock is nearly depleated.  When ask how many he had sold he said "I don't know, we've been so buys I haven't had time to count!"

During the run up to the implimentation of the last ban sales of semi-automatic rifles went up 10 fold.  I fully expect it to be even greater this time.



Tue, 12/18/2012 - 21:50 | 3077151 Pumpkin
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One more time so you don't forget.  TITLE 18 SECTION 7 defines the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.  It states, three timeS in 1 1/2 pages, that the jurisdiction DOES NOT EXTEND INTO THE STATES.  If you make a gun, clip or what ever in a state and sell it in that state, the feds can go piss up a rope.  This was confirmed by the modern (1995) US Supreme court decision, United States vs Lopez.  Man takes a gun into a school, gets charged with a federal crime and the court said NO JURISDICTION!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 23:01 | 3077365 10mm
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A Nation of Pussys.Send your kids off to war you maggot fuckin losers.Believe your free.Suck big fuckin red,white and blue cock,dick fuckin losers.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 02:17 | 3077710 headless blogger
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The anti-gun scream teams may also inadvertantly cause more people to research these mass shootings and start seeing the same patterns in many of them. I've been reading all the Mainstream media articles I can and I'm finding nothing but distractions, misleading information, and headlines that don't deliver what the headline is conveying. Since day one they've been publishing information on Nancy's affiliation with the school, as a substitute teacher and then as a volunteer. Today the big lines were dispelling the notion that Adam was mad because his mother was going to have him committed to a mental institution. They went on to talk about how the "theory" on how the school kids and teachers became targets (linking them to Nancy's work there). But at the end of the article a woman with the school system said nobody had heard of Nancy. LOL

I lost one article and cannot find. In that one a man in Newton who was acquainted with Nancy said they were working on finding a college for Adam to go to and she was looking at a school in Washington state.   Yet, today they are saying she was trying to get him committed. Of course all this is stated by "a law enforcement source".  They aren't telling people the truth. And the load about the guy smashing his computer up so they now cannot get any evidence there is just too convenient. The father, who works for one of the highest ranking Mason outfits in the world, GE, is left almost entirely out of the picture. GE and most globalist outfits are highly linked to LIBOR scandals and at least $48 Trillion in racketeering and laundering. Go ahead and believe your mainstream nonsense, but don't EVER tell me you are a rational person.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 02:21 | 3077717 jmk
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A lot of bluff and bluster about ARs and Hi-Cap magazines and how you're going to kick somebody's ass. I only have one question. Are you sure you will be capable of shooting to kill when the need arises? An astonishingly large number of people are killed with their own gun because they couldn't use it. I guarantee you it isn't as easy as you all make it sound. But keep on talking you may get lucky and convince yourselves. I'm not so sure the majority of you tough--talking guys can handle the stress of combat when the bullets start to fly.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 03:27 | 3077752 Freddie
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Well I gave you an up arrow. We will either catch on quickly or we will die quickly. Better to die trying to get a little freedom than live like a slave.

Too many ***ks are sheep who watch TV and Hollywood's crap. The people who want you disarmed. Are you one of those sheep who support their Matrix? I bet you watch college ball. Keep supporting your overlords with your viewership.

Me? I lost my .22 in a boating accident. I only had a .22 because guns scare me. They are loud, dangerous and smoky.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 05:16 | 3077802 StychoKiller
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I have no beef against owning guns --I own a Taurus 0.40S&W, and a 10/22 rifle-- just the brainless wonders owning them!

The solution to this problem is pretty obvious:  A stringent nationwide testing and certification program for ALL would-be gun owners.

Before you 2nd-Amendment jokers howl in outrage hear this:  I'm not suggesting that the Government be in charge of such a program, rather put the NRA in charge of it!

Whenever any nutjob goes and shoots a bunch of citizens, the training and certification program gets suspended for 90 days or until the NRA can prove that changes they make to the certification program will weed out such unqualified people from the pool of gun-owners.  [In the latest instance, I think we can all agree that breaking the law(s) by stealing someone else's guns would negate this regulation.]

To quote a comic-book:  "With great power comes great responsibility."  You want people to have the freedom of owning guns, then prove it by requiring that they prove that they're responsible enough to own a gun.  Remember the 2nd Amendment also states that:  "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Notice that it states a WELL-REGULATED militia is necessary to the security of a free state, not just anybody with the wherewithal to buy one.  Of course, the Amendment means "Well-Trained" militia.

I'll bet that the NRA will tighten the requirements for owning a gun every time that their membership is inconvenienced by a suspension of the certification of gun-owners.  Any regulatory system has to possess a method of negative-feedback in order to correct for undesirable outcomes (or we have the system we have now).

For example, questions on a written test could be:  "Have you been laid off recently?"

"Are you taking any prescribed drugs for depression?"

"Has your significant other filed a restraining order against you?"

Being a realist, I know that such a RATIONAL idea has no chance of ever being implemented for several reasons:

1. Too many gun-control fanatics believe that NO ONE should own a gun and will foam at the mouth at any argument to the contrary.

2. Everyone, including the NRA has an interest in maintaining the status quo, no matter how many get shot.  Don't think so?  Then come up with a better solution!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 06:56 | 3077863 Disenchanted
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Another sort of gun sale took place...


Cerberus to sell gunmaker after massacre


Private equity firm Cerberus has put U.S. firearms maker Freedom Group up for sale following Friday's killing of 20 children and 6 adults at the Sandy Hook school shooting in Connecticut.


Freedom Group includes Bushmaster, maker of the rifle used in the shooting at the school in Newtown. Cerberus bought Bushmaster in 2006 before adding another 10 makers of firearms, ammunition and accessories to the group. (Chairman J. Danforth Quayle)

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