The Universal Depression Is Nigh: ‘Cosmic GDP’ Crashes 97% As Star Formation Slumps

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The Collaspe In Cosmic GDP


Peak oil.  Peak food production.  Now (11 billion years ago) peak star production.

The Royal Astronomical Society writes,

Cosmic GDP’ crashes 97% as star formation slumps


While parts of the world experience economic hardship, a team of Portuguese, UK, Japanese, Italian and Dutch astronomers has found an even bigger slump happening on a cosmic scale. In the largest ever study of its kind, the international team of astronomers has established that the rate of formation of new stars in the Universe is now only 1/30th of its peak and that this decline is only set to continue. The team, led by David Sobral of the University of Leiden in the Netherlands, publish their results in the journal Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society…


Dr Sobral comments: “You might say that the universe has been suffering from a long, serious “crisis”: cosmic GDP output is now only 3% of what it used to be at the peak in star production!”

The decline in the universe’s star production appears structural and secular to us. Could be cyclical depending on your time horizon, however.

The universe must be suffering from not enough demand, too much austerity,  and thus needs the cosmic central bank to engage in some QE.   That is,  Quasar Easing.

Krugman, weigh in!

Hat tip Guardian Science via Twitter.

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Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:50 | 3076226 Flakmeister
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Did you think that hydrogen gas was abiotically formed in the center of the universe?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:54 | 3076245 cougar_w
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Dude. What are you saying? Of course it was. Big Bang much?

Well except that the universe lacks an actual center. Maybe that was your point.

Oh and who here thinks cosmologist were having a little joke when they called it the "big bang". I mean guys, ever hear of subtle? Just because you cannot get a date doesn't mean you can porn up the rest of us.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 17:55 | 3076253 Flakmeister
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Not on a continual basis though...

That's the whole idea, looks like we passed peak fusion...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:05 | 3076271 TruthInSunshine
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I am really ignorant on matters of the galactic interworkings of cosmic GDP.

Does this mean Paul "When Mars Attacks"  Krugman will get his stimulus boosting, hostile extraterrestrial, many windows-will-be-broken-and-phasered invasion soon?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:06 | 3076301 malikai
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I take it to mean that the Universe is inherently Austrian.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:07 | 3076304 ParkAveFlasher
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Gold, bitchez!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:11 | 3076311 moonstears
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Someone HAD to!+1(stars, gold is from the stars, beautiful!)

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:04 | 3076533 true brain
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Big Bang theory is the ultimate Keynesian theory. something for nothing.

it's only a theory , which will be disproved soon enough. Only Zombie would accept something like that blindly. I like the multiverse theory more.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 20:07 | 3076841 The Alarmist
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Damn Chinamen aren't working hard enough!  Gotta outsource this star-formation thing to Vietnam or Sri Lanka I guess.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:13 | 3076315 kaiserhoff
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Sanity in astronomy peaked about 50 years ago when Halton Arp put out his Atlas of Peculiar Galaxies.

Know why "dark matter" is theoretically there?  Because without it, galaxies don't rotate the way physics (Einstein) thinks they should.

Try Seeing Red, by Arp for a great summary of why astronomy is off its meds.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:21 | 3076345 john39
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how about this as odd... leading up to 2012, there has been a rash of astonomers dying in unexplained accidents:

full disclosure, i don't buy the niburu story, but, something is going on around the solar system.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:03 | 3076528 CPL
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If you want to watch whatever it is.


Arm chair astro corp is borrowing telescopes to scan the sky...they are farting around with audio right now.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:13 | 3076583 john39
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interstellar energy cloud... 12/21/2012 is when earth is dead center in it...:

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:21 | 3076644 CPL
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Well, if you have a coordinate in space you want to check out, get in chat early and post it up in an hour.  The telescope takes a bit of time to move around and costs a fortune to operate.  


It's pretty cool though, instant access to million dollar toys to poke around the sky.  Beats the shit out of a bushnel.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 20:11 | 3076850 The Alarmist
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"Know why "dark matter" is theoretically there?  Because without it, galaxies don't rotate the way physics (Einstein) thinks they should."

Gee, Einstein, I thought it was some sort of Diversity initiative that all the universities are hot for these days.

Dark matter is what leads the universe to collapse back on itself so that it can start the process all over again rather than simply continuing to spread out and fizzle for the end of all time.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 20:19 | 3076874 Flakmeister
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No collapse in the cards, DM or not...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 22:18 | 3077233 Orly
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Looks like you have an inexplicable case of AUCC (Anthropogenic Universal Climate Change...) on your hands, there, flak.  Prolly should get busy trying to explain this one.

It's gonna take a while...

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 00:04 | 3077539 Flakmeister
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It is easy for an educated person to play a moron, alas the converse is not so facile....

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 23:21 | 3077424 Matt
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John39: that site would seem more reputable if they could decide whether the scientist in question is named Alexia Demetria or Alexei Dmitriev.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 23:07 | 3077381 Matt
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It seems the average age, at least from the ones where an age was given, is probably around 75. Many of the people were listed between 60 and 90 years of age. One of the guys in his 30s died because he tried to walk out of a rotating observatory while it was rotating and got squished.

A bunch of ~85 year old men dying over a decade is hardly bizarre. It would be better if it was presentated in a more statistical, and less dramatic way.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:36 | 3076412 Flakmeister
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First off, Newtonian mechanics is more than adequate to study galactic rotation.

I also suggest you look at up critical density and the Tully-Fischer relationship...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:47 | 3076453 kaiserhoff
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As usual, you have your head up your ass.

Don't your ever get around to your fucking home work?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:55 | 3076487 Flakmeister
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Hee, hee, hee...

So where did you learn your astrophysics? Bazooka Joe Bubble Gum comics?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 06:20 | 3077847 Disenchanted
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Just out of curiosity Flak, what's your opinion of Immanuel Velikovsky and his work?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 09:39 | 3078055 Flakmeister
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Basically an entertaining crank, if anything he wrote was scientifically relevant it was by accident...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:58 | 3076510 Flakmeister
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Just when you thought we have seen everything, ZH now has Big-Bang deniers.... 

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:06 | 3076540 orkneylad
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Whereas you believe in NASA's 'flat universe' big-bang?  flat-earth thinking dude . . . .

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 20:13 | 3076858 The Alarmist
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No Big Bang means no Big Smoke ... this is really getting to be a Big Bummer!

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:09 | 3076557 busted by the b...
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If there was a Big Bang and no one is around to see it, would it still make a universe?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 09:30 | 3076582 Flakmeister
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Depends on which version of the Anthropomorphic Principle you ascribe to....

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:24 | 3076362 fuu
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The universe has had no new protons or electrons since the big bang?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:31 | 3076391 Flakmeister
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Is this a serious question?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:56 | 3076490 fuu
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Yes, I am not a particle physicist who works at CERN. Unlike some people here I don't claim to know everything.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:11 | 3076576 Flakmeister
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I don't either, but I do know more than most....

Matter as we know it was formed when the temperature of the universe cooled down below ~1 GeV ( a few million degress or so), the quark gluon plasma condensed out with the heavier unstable quarks quickly decaying. So there is no net new matter being formed thereafter  (particles come in being as matter anti-matter pairs). Simultaneously Big-Bang Nucleosynthesis occured giving the primordial make up of the elements (~75% H, 25% helium and trace amounts of Li and slight heavier stuff)

One of mysteries is why there is such an imbalance between matter and anti-matter in the observable universe. The known and obseved processes for producing it are not strong enough, CP violation via the CKM matrix...Matter anti-matter annihilation has a signature that would stick out so we can put very stringent limits on it...

As always there are loose ends and data that needs to be explained....

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:49 | 3076606 fuu
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Thanks for the link.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 22:21 | 3077241 Orly
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But what happens to neutrinos when they decide to stop moving faster than light?  Don't they become protons and electrons?





Are you sure?



Tue, 12/18/2012 - 23:14 | 3077399 Matt
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I don't think nuetrinos travel faster than light.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:44 | 3076444 kaiserhoff
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Red Shift is wrong in at least a few areas because quasars are a lot closer than we thought.

The best current interpretation of quasars is that they are either, creating new matter, or recycling it from elsewhere in the universe.  Great stuff if you have a taste for it, and the math is not a big deal.

Look at The Electric Sky by Donald Scott or Dark Matter by Flandern or anything by Arp.

There is a whole counter-culture of engineers who think plasma is far more important than gravity, and they have the best evidence.


Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:50 | 3076470 Flakmeister
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Yet another example of psuedo-science and bullshit at the Hedge...

So you are telling us that the 2011 Nobel Prize was erroneously awarded?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 18:57 | 3076503 orkneylad
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check out Galaxy NGC7319 . . . it has a Quasar in front of the galaxy. According to its extreme redshift, it should be way behind this opaque galaxy & therefore not visible.

The Big Bang Theory is false – not because I or others claim it to be false – but because it has been scientifically falsified.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:05 | 3076538 kaiserhoff
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One thing I love about this literature, is seeing all of these "scientists" putting patches on the patches of their theories, explaining why what everyone is seeing just CAN'T BE THERE.  Are you gonna believe your lying eyes????

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:09 | 3076562 orkneylad
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Dark Matter. The ‘stuff’ that -according to orthodox cosmological thinking- makes up 90% of the Universe. Of all modern theories this is the one that’s closest to pre-Copernican epicycles, flat Earths and luminiferous aethers.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:21 | 3076642 kaiserhoff
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Beyond our galaxy, pretty much everything the orthodox crowd thinks they know is based not just on red shift, but very precise interpretations of red shift as acceleration, leading to estimates of distance.  What could be wrong with that?

I love the walls of galaxies that shouldn't be there.  Very well explained by Scott's Plasma/electrical view, impossible to reconcile with the gravitation/big bang theory.

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 20:20 | 3076878 Flakmeister
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Buddy, you are babbling....

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 22:27 | 3077254 Orly
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Seriously, flak.  You are totally outclassed (as usual...) only this time it is becoming so painfully obvious.

Perhaps you should just be quiet now?

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 19:19 | 3076631 Flakmeister
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Oh, you mean this paper from 2005:

It seems that the "proving" the quaser in actaully in the galaxy foreground may be a problem. It is more likely that the quaser is visible through the spiral arm...

If you start finding more of these, you may be on to something...

Tue, 12/18/2012 - 23:44 | 3077486 prains
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dude you may know your bang theory but many know their wankathon theory when they read it,


just a word of quixotic caution

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 06:06 | 3077837 orkneylad
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"may be on to something..."     try Galaxy NGC7603 which clearly displays four objects linked by plasma trails, all with radically different redshifts.   There's more, much more.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 09:42 | 3078117 Flakmeister
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So scientists found *one* example of a quaser shining through a galaxy in the foreground.... BFD, an oddity to be sure...

Are you a creationist by some chance? You sure sound like one...

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