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Joe Biden Is New Gun Tzar

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So, John Kerry As Secretary of State and now Joe Biden as the new Gun Tzar... should be fine...


Market reaction is RGR and SWHC rallying from the news...


Via WSJ:

President Barack Obama on Wednesday said all gun buyers should be subject to background checks, offering his most specific proposal in the wake of the shooting spree at a Connecticut school and setting up a potential fight with gun-rights advocates.


"This time words must lead to action," Mr. Obama said from the White House, where he also announced that Vice President Joe Biden would oversee an effort to get ideas for changing gun and mental-health laws to Congress. "The fact that this problem is complex can no longer be an excuse for doing nothing."



Mr. Obama said he wanted Mr. Biden and his cabinet to get concrete ideas to him no later than January, "proposals that I then intend to push without delay." He urged Congress to vote on the measures once they arrive.




The White House said Tuesday that Mr. Obama spoke by phone with one staunch gun-rights supporter, Sen. Joe Manchin (D., W.Va.), who said that he and Mr. Obama "agree that as Americans and parents, all of our children belong to all of us—and we must work together to keep our precious children safe."




It is unclear exactly what policies the administration will pursue. The White House has said it wants to take a comprehensive look at the nation's gun and mental-health laws to determine what are the best ways to prevent mass shootings.


White House Press Secretary Jay Carney briefly gave details about measures Mr. Obama would support, saying that the president would consider limits on high-capacity ammunition magazines and would back efforts to prevent people from buying guns through unlicensed dealers without a background check. Mr. Carney also said the president "actively" supports a proposal by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D., Calif.) to ban assault weapons.




The NRA this week broke days of silence after Friday's shooting, saying it wanted to make "meaningful contributions" to prevent future mass shootings. The group, which is one of the most powerful lobbies in the U.S., plans to hold a news conference Friday.


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Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:40 | 3079278 buzzsaw99
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He will ban those evil guns fast and furious bitchez!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:43 | 3079296 slaughterer
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Wife and kids getting Bersa Thunder and Walther P99 stocking stuffers in my family.   Ho, ho, bang.  

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:48 | 3079303 idea_hamster
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This is actually a gift to the NRA wrapped up as action for the left.

Obama has taken a real issue (whichever side you're on) and handed it to his full-retard don't-kill-me-or-else Barney-Fife SCHUUULTZZ! deputy to "take care of."

If anyone could balz-up the oversight of gun control, it's Biden.  

Oh, he'll work up a sweat trying to do all kinds of crap, but in the end, he'll accomplish zero.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:48 | 3079325's picture

Biden will make a fine gun czar. He has great experience shooting himself in the foot.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:50 | 3079341 economics9698
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Dumb and dumber. 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:56 | 3079377 SamAdams
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"Tigers in appearance, but have souls of sheep and the wind blows freely through their heads".  M&M, 1864

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:01 | 3079394 krispkritter
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Putting Biden in charge of gun policy is like putting Homer Simpson in charge of a nuclear power plant and we all know how well that worked out...Doh!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:13 | 3079445 Pinto Currency
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So much for banning guns to stop violence:


More people die falling out of bed than are killed by rifles.  Let's ban assault rifles.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:14 | 3079455 NotApplicable
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Ya know, I'd take Obummer's "all gun buyers should have a background check" decree a tad bit more seriously, if the man had undergone one himself.

Whar Obama background?


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:27 | 3079515 Pinto Currency
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For criminals, the UK is now like the North Atlantic "happy hunting grounds" for U-boat commanders during WWII.  They must love the politicians who ensure that citizens can't acquire guns while criminals will always have guns.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:30 | 3079531 redpill
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The guy in Conneticut stole the guns he used.  How does a background check stop that?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:36 | 3079563 dracos_ghost
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Hey, then we need laws against stealing things ... wait a minute.

I'm surprised they're not talking about banning the mentally ill. But then again, that would wipe out 99.9999% of inside the beltway d-bags.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:54 | 3079651 fuu
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Don't we already have laws against theft and murder?

Why use the laws on the books when we can just make new laws!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:06 | 3079694 Ignatius
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I'm still looking for the word "Tsar" in the Constitution... still looking.

We're letting the elite, weasel class steal the language along with everything else, of course.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:25 | 3079783 12ToothAssassin
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I will turn in my firearms just as soon as the friendly local police depts de-militarize and there are no armed forces permanently stationed on US soil. Posse Comitatus anyone?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 16:29 | 3080043 trav777
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At least 60% of gun violence could be stopped tomorrow by banning black people.

I wonder if Biden has the balls to put that in his proposal.  Maybe I should mail it over to

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 16:42 | 3080063 DaveyJones
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yes, and lets get rid of jazz, collards and the cotton gin while you're at it. Oh yeah, and we could stop a majority of Meth, Oxy and cocaine (as opposed to crack) if we banned whites.  

I see their bankers to blacks rebound is working for some 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:19 | 3080195 trav777
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a "majority of meth"...who cares?

Meth is a problem, sure, but the violence rate from meth is a FRACTION, even with whites' bein 70% of the country, of the violence issue that blacks are naturally.

The cotton gin was invented by a white clue what that's got to do with this, and it's 150 years old at that....jazz...collards...ZOMG, how could we live without that and dunking, rap music, and gaudy fashion?

Plus, if we banned whites, we'd lose things like electricity, modern medicine, refrigeration...and basically EVERYTHING ELSE EVER INVENTED.  Hat tip to China for the compass and gunpowder. 

Whites could do cocaine and not destroy the place; that's Canada.  Ever wonder why Australia doesn't have blood diamonds?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 22:01 | 3081149 DaveyJones
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you're right, history (and common sense) does prove that violence and crime is determined primarily by skin pigment and very few other factors. Blacks are just "naturally violent." That's why they're so good at sports. And those yellow chinamen only have two major inventions. Does war count as violence? Does currency control that drives folks (of all colors) into poverty and hunger count? Who wins that contest? How do we measure it? Or is violence reserved to that "minority" gang member you saw on TV?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 16:58 | 3080125 fuu
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You should start a petition.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 16:11 | 3080001 object_orient
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I couldn't find it either. Turns out czar or tsar is spelled c-o-m-m-e-r-c-e c-l-a-u-s-e. Just like every other thing the government shouldn't be doing, but is.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 16:11 | 3079998 Bad Attitude
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It's just another flavor of security theater. It won't do any good, but it will make the sheeple feel safer.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:05 | 3079701 Chip
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More people die falling out of bed than are killed by rifles.  Let's ban assault rifles.


---More people are killed by cars running off the road. Lets' ban cars

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:24 | 3081465 mjcOH1
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"Banning guns is an idea whose time has come."
-- U.S. Senator Joseph Biden, 11/18/93, Associated Press interview


I thought crazy Joe had already weighed in on this.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:02 | 3079397 kralizec
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LOL!  What a joke.  I bet the only guns ever in Plugs' hands had orange tips!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:03 | 3079403 Straw Dog
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Love quote. Who is or are M&M ?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:42 | 3079878 Freddie
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They are both evil and so is TV and Hollywood who support them 100%. 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:08 | 3079431 krispkritter
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As his foot is usually in his mouth, it's a wonder he survived...

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:31 | 3079535 Tortfeasor
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I, for one, welcome our stumbling, bumbling, druken overlords.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:47 | 3079623 DaveyJones
Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:19 | 3080920 HoofHearted
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I was in at my favorite local gun shop today, looking at a nice modern sporting rifle. They heard this BS about everyone should go through a background check before getting a gun and said, "Hey Bob, maybe we should do a background check on everyone we sell to...kinda like we've done for the past several decades!"

Someone said it well, Dumber and Dumberer.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:23 | 3079495 eatthebanksters
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Actually he shoots his mouth off more than his feet...

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:55 | 3080355 Winston Churchill
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A nold drunk and guns,great idea.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:49 | 3079332 Concentrated po...
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Disarm the law abiding with laws that the criminals refuse to obey…BRILLIANT!

Victim: I’d like to report a murder Police: Where did this happen?

Victim: My home, criminals invaded my house and shot my wife in the head

Police: Officers are en route and will arrive in less than 3 minutes

Victim: Great, I’ll let my wife know, she’ll be so relieved

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:54 | 3079368 SgtSchultz
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Hey wait a minute!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:14 | 3079454 idea_hamster
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...present Kompany excepted, of course!


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:08 | 3079713 greensnacks
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this is fine: Push Begins in EU to Arm Syria Rebels which will lead to more of this: Syria Death Toll Climbs Past 40,000 Mark, Activists Say but 26 deaths may lead to tighter gun control? really?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:57 | 3079380 Bohm Squad
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Thought the same...seems like a 30-day cool-down period is in order.  

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:17 | 3079471 idea_hamster
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It actually reminds me of the SNL "Really?!?" piece on US Swimming "punishing" Phelps with a few months off for smoking weed -- "That's what you do if you want someone to finish CoD!"

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:18 | 3079476 NotApplicable
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All those assholes know is the saying "let no crisis go to waste." Both sides of this polarity will (and must) go full-retard, for that's the only way for special interest groups to function.

Other than the those d.b.a. "the state," there will be no winners here. Only various degrees of losers. Bet on it.

As always, divide, conquer, rinse, repeat, ad infinitum.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:47 | 3079317 shutupnsing
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Too funny...I was just looking at the BT380 myself as a CC. Do you recommend?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:08 | 3079427 hedgeless_horseman
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For pocket pistol?

9mm > .380 

Rohrbaugh R9S if you can afford the $

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:29 | 3079522 MachoMan
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I'll also throw in a sig 938 for the running...

Most of it simply depends on your personal attributes (body frame, size, weight, type of typical dress, etc.).  At the end of the day, anything is better than nothing, but would you rather have a compact version of a standard sized gun that has a longer barrel, better sights, better trigger, and more capacity than a pocket pistol?  I would...  pocket pistols, like other handguns, are only to be carried in specific situations.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:58 | 3080379 Winston Churchill
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Pistols are for use against someone armed with a knife.

The object is to not let anyone get that close.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:37 | 3080549 MachoMan
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Absolutely, it is a last ditch weapon...  however, one would need to conceal his firearm in order to ever step foot in virtually any establishment open to the public...  since open carry isn't an option (being able to carry a real weapon, e.g. rifle), we're left with handguns...  

The other issue is legality...  while carrying a handgun might actually be less advantageous than a knife at certain distances and in particular situations, the law allows one to conceal carry a handgun...  however, there is not a common "concealed knife permit"...  some of the assisted open knives and blade pairings are danger close, if not illegal, in many jurisdictions. 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:33 | 3079552 youngman
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I have three..a great pocket pistol....

But on this crap...I would think he could set an example by making his Secret Service go show the world he means what he says....same for all the should start with them...

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:57 | 3079660 j0nx
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Yup I agree and the people have to insist on it. I demand that politicians take the lead on this important issue and issue an immediate congressional order to all local, state and federal police agencies that their officers and agents must relinquish all firearms effective immediately. This is too important for them not to take this first bold step. I know that the American family dogs will sleep a lot sounder once this happens.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:23 | 3079780 12ToothAssassin
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EXACTLY!! I will hand in my assault rifles (as soon as I dredge them out of the lake) at the exact same time my driendly local police force do the same.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:32 | 3079826 MachoMan
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If you're rich enough to afford actual assault rifles (at $20k/pop+), then kudos...  but I'd hope you wouldn't be giving them a bath...

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:59 | 3079664 hedgeless_horseman
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...I would think he could set an example by making his Secret Service go show the world he means what he says


I'm starting with the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer
If you wanna make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself and then make a change.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:53 | 3079365 Bad Attitude
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I really like the KelTec P3AT. It is so light that i almost forget I carrying it. It even disappears into my suit pants pocket.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:57 | 3080366 eddymunster
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G Lock in 9mm, subcompact or compact IMHO.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:49 | 3079333 BandGap
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Got my wonderful wife some gold, diamonds and silver.......and a Glock 17 for Christmas.

Biden as Gun Czar. Thank you very much.


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:34 | 3079523 Miffed Microbio...
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Great choice ! However if your wife's a newbie she might like a Springfield XD-40 better 'cause the recoil isnt quite as "sexy" as a Glock. I love the Glock now but had to work into it. Damn fun gun to fire.


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:16 | 3079743 new game
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glock 19(my vote) s and w 19 for camping, 20 gauge pump and 22's for almost all else.  308 bolt for hunting/sniping w/6x fixed and stocking stuffer - CC class in January(for wife-she wants to!). Have gun range to 200 yds on 40 acres and I use the shit out of these units; no black guns though-pain in the ass to clean(have owned em all ak, ar(even shot the ak underwater and it was fine afterward!!!!)...

time has come to say no to these fuckers- i've had enuf-how bout you?


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:39 | 3079862 MachoMan
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Quite a few women tend to shy away from the XD because of the safety on the back of the frame...  in a shooting situation, conceptually, it may prove difficult to engage.

It's either double action/no safety or practice the shit out of shooting a gun with a thumb safety, making certain to take it off safety enough to have muscle memory if/when the time comes you have to use it.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:14 | 3080433 Miffed Microbio...
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So true macho man. I " stovepiped" my XD once during the early days because I wasn't gripping it firmly enough, never happened with the Glock. I've trained so much with guns w/ o safety's it's hard to switch. However Im now in a delemma because if I ever were to get a ccw I can't just throw the Glock in my purse w/o holstering it. I guess I need to get something with a safety and practice the hell out of it.


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:47 | 3079898 Freddie
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I would like a Barrett but Santa said it won't fit in the stocking.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:52 | 3079358 hedgeless_horseman
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Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:04 | 3079413 Creepy Lurker
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HH, I honestly wouldn't be a bit surprised to see all of that shit in the headlines on any given day. It really has gotten that bad.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:11 | 3079446 NotApplicable
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Remember twenty years ago, when everyone joked about the junk-food police?

I think the term we're looking for is "directed history."

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:38 | 3079571 1100-TACTICAL-12
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I will turn mine in ?

From my cold dead hands ?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:48 | 3079320 Chupacabra-322
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@ buzzsaw99,

The solution for this problem is for the word to get out FAR AND WIDE. Upper elements of the ATF have become corrupt drug runners. Wells Fargo and Wachovia launder the loot and accept it with no qualms (many banks have been doing this for decades). Thousands of innocent Mexicans killed and living in terror because of the cartels. Mexican police massacred. The CIA (and many others) take a good chunk of change from the ongoing profits and allow the country to be flooded with drugs.

Guns are being run into major cities and states all over the nation. Violence explodes. We had a vicious cartel attack in my state so gruesome (cartel v. cartel) that I will not even reiterate the facts. Cold blooded murder of a family that would make Scarface seem kinna time. Florida, Illinois The Pacific Northwest, Mexcico, Honduras guns and more guns. Pack em in crates and send them to the worst elements of the most vicious cartels.

Well I sure know rampant corruption and I see it for what it is and so do many excellent Sheriffs like Sheriff Mack. The police are working as agents for the state, according to this interview. Regardless, there are still very many fine, honest and Constitutionaly solid police officers and state police throughout this country. Did anyone ever think that they chose to be in law enforcement for the right reasons and now find it as disgusting and frustrating to be labeled defacto Gestapo?

The death, destruction and drug runners are working within our own government leading right to the door of Holder’s office. He perjures himself before Congress in testimony, Obama knows all about it and nothing happens. And everything does not have to be Obama. If Congress were not so corrupt they would have been ready to convene a special committee and hold major inquisitions of the entire Department of Justice, the ATF and all members of branches of the military involved in the transport in collaboration with the CIA. They (Obama, Clinton, Bush) crave this kind of wanton wildfire and drugs awash in the country. It gives them leverage to take even more control and make people even more fearful…. Thus creating cowering sheeple. What is happening is a scandal so wide and large that it plays right into the hands of mentally ill power deluded members of government.

What you have is Miami Vice III on steroids. This time the government is on the side of the cartels. Yet another design to attempt to turn the US into some war torn 3rd World nation.

Ask yourself, why is America fueling carnage and destruction all over the hemisphere? Order out of chaos and they think they will be able to control it all. It is ill and mislead and they will never be able to overlord. I want to see Issa make some real tangible progress on this, The same for Grassley. Other than that, we can conclude they want to be part of a dog and pony show.




Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:19 | 3079477 Northeaster
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You know how implicit government is when Cartel Members want to submit evidence showing how bad it is:

Of course nowadays the media and government quietly settle or give out light sentences to just make it all go away.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:06 | 3079706 Almost Solvent
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Shit, this goes back past Regan (Iran-Contra) and past Kennedy, and lands right about on top of Wilson and his Federal Reserve buddies.


Government has been running guns for quite awhile - drugs too.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:49 | 3079326 aint no fortuna...
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"Market reaction is RGR and SWHC rallying from the news..." They've been rallying all day, probably because they got the word last night

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:08 | 3079432 flattrader
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Naw.  Both stocks have been brutalized and RGR has a massive short position.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:25 | 3079425 Seer
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Anyone think that perhaps this is a backdoor way of pumping up GDP?  Whenever this kind of thing starts flaring up gun manufacturers' sales skyrocket: and we know that weapons manufacturing in the US is BIG.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:33 | 3079543 The Gooch
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Barack Obama ain't takin' my shotguns"- Uncle Joe

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:33 | 3079547 SheepDog-One
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None of what 'Da Prezdent' says would even apply to this shooting.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:13 | 3079732 rotagen
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Anyone else get the message that the NRA is not worthy of anymore contributions?  Gee, think it might be a bit "compromised" in some way? Guess I'll have to defend what's left of the constitution with my firearms.  Action speaks louder than words, or money in this case.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:07 | 3080157 Real Estate Geek
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Try Gun Owners of America. No compromises by that group.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:41 | 3079281 Aziz
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So how's the gun ban in Chicago working out?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:07 | 3079424 taxpayer102
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July 23, 2012 Minister Farrakhan and the FOI went into Chicago communities in efforts to stop violence, especially gun violence.  A Chicago district police commander said there was no crime in any of the places the FOI visited that evening.   No thanks or encouragement to Farrakhan was heard from the Chicago 'community organizer' occupying the White House.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:53 | 3079647 AlaricBalth
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NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOT IN CHICAGO AS OF Dec. 11, 2012        2,597

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:17 | 3080699 taxpayer102
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Thanks for the link.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:54 | 3079648 AlaricBalth
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Double post. My bad.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:08 | 3079433 kill switch
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How did the GUN FREE ZONE pan out in Newtown?, this is just pathetic...My solution,,,,Have 20% of the school staff trained in the use of a 1911 45 ACP and be re certified every six months. Replace gun free zone signs with NOTHING WORTH DYING FOR HERE!! Problem solved without taking millions of people's rights away, not to mention the 500,000 people that will be laid off in the gun industry as a result. America always does the right thing after they have tried everything else...



The kill switch

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:42 | 3079284 reader2010
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Cash For Guns n Roses, BitChez!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:49 | 3079291 buzzsaw99
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Welcome to the Jungle.


Welcome to the jungle
It gets worse here every day
You learn to live like an animal
In the jungle where we play
If you got a hunger for what you see
You'll take it eventually
You can have anything you want
But you better not take it from me

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:12 | 3079448 LongSoupLine
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His first fucking step should be to imprison the worst illegal gun lord on the planet...

Eric fucking Holder

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:42 | 3079288 Lost Wages
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If I were Prez I would have picked Gunnar Nelson, but whatevz.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:43 | 3079290 e_goldstein
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Buck Fiden.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:02 | 3079395 oddjob
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is he still cock czar?, tough to see him giving that post up.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:42 | 3079294 Watts_D_Matter
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Joe Biden bans all shots except for liquor

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:50 | 3079337 CrimsonAvenger
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And penicillin.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:55 | 3079373 zerozulu
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Its not OK for the people to have guns but it is OK for DoD to invest 100's of millions in HALO and Call of duty to glorify killing. Its OK for TPTB to ruin communities economically so that young have no hope but to join army.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:26 | 3079510 Seer
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Careful, you might disturb some of the militarists that hang around here.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:42 | 3079295 LoneStarHog
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So the guy recognized by virtually everyone as the biggest IDIOT in WaShitOn is assigned this task.  Yeah! Typical!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:45 | 3079306 ParkAveFlasher
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This is a "wink wink, nudge nudge" kind of appointment, methinks.

The gun lobby is one of the strongest in probably the world.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:11 | 3079443 WarPony
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que Cerberus

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:30 | 3079528 Seer
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As I've noted, this might be just a backdoor approach to boosting GDP- gun manufacturers are one of the only growing businesses.  One need look at the results, not at the talk...

Might also be a way of kicking loose gold from the hands of all the "liberty" minded folks. (and, perhaps, making the connection- via gun sales)

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 16:08 | 3079982 Buckaroo Banzai
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Bullshit. the Pharma lobby is MUCH stronger. It should be obvious, given that many of the recent mass shootings were perpetrated by young men on psychotropic prescription drugs. Where are the calls to ban those drugs?

The NRA is a bunch of pikers.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:25 | 3079500 Mad Mohel
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Do not underestimate Biden, he wrote the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban. Yes he was the author of that thing. This time around he is older and grumpier. It is going to be heavy.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:37 | 3079570 MachoMan
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Didn't he also take part in the changes to restrict guns from persons who are convicted of domestic abuse or some type of domestic threatening?  [which are often times incredibly specious and meant solely to sway the court's opinion of the other party (e.g. custody), rather than based upon some real objective threat]. 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:43 | 3079298 AldoHux_IV
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Barry's starting to fray at the edges and it's kind of pathetic.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:49 | 3079901 Freddie
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Hey and they are fraying whats left of The constition which is more pathetic. Helped 100% by TV and Hollywood.

TV and Hollywood want to disarm you.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 16:02 | 3079964 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Valid point, but that's all you say in every single post.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:44 | 3079299 Vashta Nerada
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I hope everyone knows not to actually give Biden a real one to look at.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:44 | 3079301 ziggy59
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Um, does he know the meaning of such a big word?
Just wondering.. Joker Joe is seen as the Court Jester... Maybe an act..

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:45 | 3079305 Top_Kill
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We need a drone czar.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:45 | 3079309 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Perfect, because Biden drones on and on ...

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:47 | 3079316 Piranhanoia
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What about a zone drawer?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:58 | 3079382 otto skorzeny
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that is where you can fit all the ashes of the women and children O has vaporized with drone strikes

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:09 | 3079438 Cynthia
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The lack of outrage regarding use of drones, torture, etc in this "War on Terror" by self-identified liberals and progressives is not confusing. To understand the apparent "confusion," you must understand that the "War on Terror" divides Zionists from anti-Zionists. The Zionists support the "War on Terror" including use of drones and torture - anti-Zionists do not. And the Zionist self-identification trumps all other considerations.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:34 | 3079549 Seer
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"The lack of outrage regarding use of drones, torture, etc in this "War on Terror" by self-identified liberals and progressives is not confusing."

As someone who was way-in on being against the empire's wars (way before they started) I can tell you that I saw, and continue to see, PLENTY of folks on the right-hand side of the "equation" that are perfectly fine with these wars and with the drones.

Only folks wearing ideological blinders miss these kinds of things...

Better to drop all the trigger words and just refer to it as what it is- POWER (which requires control).

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:46 | 3079308 Chupacabra-322
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This is a declaration of war against the people of America by their own government. All U.S citizens will immediately have the right to take up arms to reclaim their country if this law passes. None will be terrorists. All will be freedom fighters, fighting for a just society against an odious government, legal and financial system. If this law passes, America will no longer be a country governed by the rule of law, as it undermines the very basis of law itself, as a structure for maintaining civilization. When law is usurped for the purpose of tyranny, all bets are off.

The rule of law will die in America, if this law passes as it is. Full scale civil war, will only be a matter of time. Abduction, torture and murder is the cursed trinity at the heart of all odious systems of government. The passing of this bill will qualify the American government as a fully odious regime, with no remaining basis in morality. All of humanity and every American citizen, will be fully justified in opposing the U.S government and it’s enforcers, to bring about it’s downfall.

Every senator who votes this into law, is in reality committing the crime of treason against the nation and citizens of America and a heinous crime against all humanity, for which they can and should be tried and sentenced to life-imprisonment or death. Because together with torture and murder, this law puts in place the final element of the legal framework for the genocide of American citizens. “Legalized” Abduction, torture and murder, means that Satanic government is here. Therefore genocide is not far behind. No human being is obliged to obey the laws, of any odious regime.

WITH THE PASSING OF THIS LAW THE U.S GOVERNMENT HEREBY FORFEITS ALL AUTHORITY OVER THE CITIZENS AND STATES OF AMERICA. The passing of this law, will be looked back on as the day when the citizens and states of America became legally and morally free to fully oppose and ignore the authority of the government of the United States of America. Unless the ability to abduct American citizens is removed from this bill, the day that this bill is signed into law, will be the day when the rule of law ends in the United States.

Obama, you have been warned. When genuine (as opposed to odious) government is restored you will be tried in a court of law, along with the Senators who supported it, if this bill is allowed to pass, as it is. For it -along with the laws put in place by recent U.S governments – is treasonous and genocidal. Therefore, for all law makers who have supported abduction, torture and murder (thus creating the conditions for genocide) the day is not far away, when the sentence for your actions, will be life imprisonment or death.

You will not escape the restoration and elevation, of the legal basis of society, that is coming. In fact, your convictions and sentencing, will be the much needed proof, that civilization is restored. So don’t fool yourself that you will be walking away. The same applies to the previous administrations also. All odious rulers, Obama, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Clintons and satanic politicians and bankers everywhere – your day in court is coming. You think you are protected by your corruption of the law, when in fact you are creating the conditions for it’s improvement that will leave you with no defense for your actions.

All odious politicians, bankers, bureaucrats, agents and executives will be sentenced and punished accordingly, when the time comes. You have been warned. Do not push the world over the edge.

Do not destroy the integrity & authority of the rule of law, if you want any chance of a reprieve.

The conditions of the French revolution are being re-created. You know what happened there !

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:48 | 3079322 HellFish
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Fair enough.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:51 | 3079348 zilverreiger
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Nobody will protest for real. America is the most divided country on earth. And the guns havent been put to use ever before against the government.

I do wish there will be a civil war over it though. Hang em all.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:58 | 3079384 Chupacabra-322
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@ zilverreiger,

It will not be a Civil War.  Civil War requires brothers and sisters fighting one another.  It will be a REVOLUTION!  Where the Criminals in Government will be rounded up, arrested and charged with Crimes against The American People and Crimes Against Humanity.  Tried, Convicted and Executed for all the world to see.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:55 | 3079371 otto skorzeny
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watch ann barnhardt on youtube talking about the Vendee Genocide in France after the Revolution to see how this may end up. the Jews will tell you there has been only one holocaust-but there have been many

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:03 | 3079398 IamtheREALmario
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It sure seems as of the government is TRYING to incite a civil war and people (in the police, in the military, suppporting the banks, supporting the propagandist media) will have to choose sides, whether to be on the side of a gang of violent government criminals or on the side of the people. It seems pretty clear where the lines between good and evil are drawn here.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:06 | 3079422 Toolshed
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First, take a deep breath. OK, now then.........if WHAT law passes? You don't seem to specify what law you are hyperventilating about.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:13 | 3079449 flattrader
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You noticed that too, huh...

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:36 | 3079844 Chupacabra-322
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Any Criminal Tresonist Law and Executive Order which restricts our unalianable, God Given Right to protect ourselves from Tyrannical, Authoritarian Government which is what we've become.  No specifics needed.   

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:34 | 3079837 viahj
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they will dust off the 1984 "assault weapon" ban, change the name to "semi-automatic" to include handguns as well as well as eliminate currently legal person-to person sales and gifts of any firearms.  pretty obvious.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:09 | 3079441 PivotalTrades
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The founding fathers in their discerning wisdom created the most successful political system that has existed. Integral to the American constitutional system is a notion known as the separation of powers. There are three branches in the United States government as established by the Constitution. First, the Legislative branch makes the law. Second, the Executive branch executes the law. Third, the Judicial branch interprets the law. Each branch has an effect on the other. In this system, several branches of government are created and power is shared between them. At the same time, the powers of one branch can be challenged by another branch. Lastly, the second amendment to the constitution adds the citizenry as the final arbiter and secures them the right to bare arms. This is what the system of checks and balances is all about. To suggest that this right be infringed is to throw the system out of balance. It would be akin to removing one of the other branches.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:35 | 3079561 Seer
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"The rule of law will die in America, if this law passes as it is."

You're generally pretty spot-on, but this is a bit out there.  First, most of the "laws" are pretty much shot as it is.  Second, the "laws" have ALWAYS been about one set for those with power and one for the rest.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:57 | 3079933 Freddie
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Add in Hollywood and TV.  If the idiots who watch would stop supporting these people by watching - their power would crumble.

Hollywood and TV want to disarm you.   The number of gun owners now is probably 50+% of Americans and growing.  If we start a boycott of Hollywood - any ideas of any gun bans or more regulation would end in minutes.

Racists like Jamie Foxx and Samuel L Jackson plus scum like Tarantino and the Minmax Weinsteins - like money.  Cut off their money and they will shut their f****g mouths.

Hollywood and TV support O and support taking away your guns.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:49 | 3079323 darkhorse007
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This is a big fuckin' deal!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:48 | 3079324 Vashta Nerada
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The chart proves the truism:  if you want nothing done, give the task to the VP.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:49 | 3079327 Squid Vicious
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i wouldn't put Biden in charge of a lemonade stand... even if he had his clown costume on!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:49 | 3079334 eclectic syncretist
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LMFAO - OT, but it's not receiving enough attention lately.....the subject of the LIQUIDITY TRAP that we are firmly ensconced in.

From the imagineers at the NY Fed:

"The modern view of the liquidity trap is more subtle than the traditional Keynesian one. It relies on an intertemporal stochastic general equilibrium model whereby aggregate demand depends on current and expected future real interest rates rather than simply the current rate as in the old Keynesian models."

You know what they say, "if you can't dazzle em' with diamonds........."

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:50 | 3079338 benb
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Biden is one of the Globalist’s favorite stooges. I’ll give you four to one that last Friday was an Obama Gang staged shooting. I’ll also give you ten to one odds these un-American, subversive criminals will continue to stage more shootings and blame it on the Constitution… Operation Gladio 2.0

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:50 | 3079339 Cynthia
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I will gladly be for gun control when all of the following conditions are met:

1. All criminals are disarmed.

2. All police are disarmed.

3. The FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, BATF and every other Federal and State agency is disarmed.

4. Every governor, mayor and all politicians surrender their guns and their armed security.

5. All guns are confiscated from the military and stored in regional warehouse under the same security as our nuclear weapons.

6. All politically connected people who can afford armed security are disarmed.

Then, and only then will I be for gun control.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 15:06 | 3079704 MachoMan
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Eh, no...  how do you agree to discuss turning in your inalienable right?  You've missed the big picture.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:50 | 3079343 zerozulu
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Second amendment in the 1776 was to balance the power between the people and the authority. gun was the biggest arm at that time. Today, to me, second amendment means the right to bear (arms) Cobra helicopter, abraham tank, F15, SAM missile and anything to balance the power between the people of the USA and TPTB.

Not understanding the constitution of the united states of America has resulted in fighting to protect what a fucken pistol.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:05 | 3079417 Chupacabra-322
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The Second Amendment is The American Peoples Insurance Policy against Authoritarian, Fascist, Tyrannical Police State Govenment which is EXACTLY what we have become.

Kings could not allow the Commons to obtain and have access to swords or modern weponry.  The Elite have always understood the importance of disarming a poplulation to achieve Total Full Spectrum Dominance and control of the Slaves. 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:10 | 3079444 darteaus
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Drones, and killer SWARM-BOTS

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:50 | 3079347 otto skorzeny
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as an irishman joe should know better than anyone the evils of not bring able to fight back against an oppressive regime IRA-BITCHEZ

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:51 | 3079350 wisefool
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This is a critical point in history for the US government. Joe Biden is reported to hang out at costco without secret service protection. He might actually fulfill the einstien prophecy.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:51 | 3079353 ThisIsBob
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And now a War on Guns?  Is that going to be like the War on Poverty, the War on Drugs, the War on Terorism, and all the Wars on Everything Else? 
Its all about jos.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:04 | 3079408 flattrader
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Has Faux News indicated the War on Christmas is over?

Who won?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:18 | 3079481 wisefool
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It is going to be really unsettling when people understand what Keynesianism is based on. What 60 years of post war economics was based on. More war. People have PhDs in this stuff. I expect an epic rap battle of history when The IRS (timmay giethner) tries to collect sales tax on joe biden (the other stupidest person alive).

The irony will be that the constitution says they are supposed to protect each other in a retardfest. 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:53 | 3079359 john39
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"as Americans and parents, all of our children belong to all of us"

no, clowns... my kid does not belong to you.  thanks just the same.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:58 | 3079385 otto skorzeny
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statist double speak

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:40 | 3079596 moroots
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Brave new world, bitchez

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:58 | 3079386 buzzsaw99
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he's full of beans

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:03 | 3079401 inevitablecollapse
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another shining example of the collectivist mentality

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:08 | 3079430 catacl1sm
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I had the same thought.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:09 | 3080169 Lin S
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Who is an "American?"

This isn't "America" anymore, anyway.  Sick, twisted, perversion of what the Founders bequeathed us, yes. 

But "America?"  No, it isn't.

What it should be called is anyone's guess.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:57 | 3079378 flattrader
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Wed, 12/19/2012 - 13:58 | 3079387 IamtheREALmario
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As much as the police and government are trying to prevent the truth coming out about these shootings, eye-witness accounts are still getting onto the web.

In each of the last few shootings the official story appears to be a fantasy story designed for the purpose of disarming the American citizens so that they cannot defend themselves against a violent government that rules through force. (either that or the government is trying to boost the economy through the increase in gun sales)

In the Aurora Colorado shooting the facts on the ground do not line up. There is the gas mask found at the corner of the building and found in a car who appears too incoherent to walk, much less shoot straight. Also there is the story that someone inside the theater opened up the door to apprently let people in. Witnesses also report MORE than one shooter.

With the Sikh temple shooting, eye-witnesses report more than one shooter.

With the Connecticut incident there are reports of more than one shooter AND a person taken into custody then no further word on that person. THEN the police threaten to prosecute anyone who does not support their lies. Apparently they are working on a schedule and need to start confiscating people's guns quickly for some reason ... however they do not seem to be able to get their act together enough to provide a story that holds water.

How about the government just disarms itself FIRST in good faith?!? If they want there to be no violence then it is best to take the guns out of the hands of the most violent thugs.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:15 | 3079463 Zymurguy
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I've wondered about that 2nd individual who was evidently photo'd and/or video'd in custody being led from the woods behind the school.  There hasn't been another word about him since.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:55 | 3079600 WarPony
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Wed, 12/19/2012 - 16:05 | 3079973 Freddie
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The cops said the kid had 4 pistols in the CT.  Who carries 4 pistols?  How does one carry 4 pistols?

More like two people in the school. Maybe two and the patsy kid.

Also this idea of "lockdown" is BS.   If the school hears shooting, pull the fire alarm and get the kids out and far away from the school as fast as possible.

Take some of the money for illegals, endless wars, f***king drones, Obama's trips, the entire budget of the Dep of Education and hire PT security guards at elementary and junior high schools.  1 per school.  Get rid of this gun free zone BS too. 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 16:22 | 3080030 WTFx10
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They probably flew him back to Israel. They are trained to kill Palestinian children theres not much difference in killing American children.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 14:00 | 3079391 Dan'l
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I hope BiteMe does as good a job on guns as he did on the,

"Summer of Recovery".

WTF! BiteMe couldn't find his own ass in a dark closet. I'm relieved that BiteMe is in charge. 

That means my guns are safe and I'll be able to buy all the assault rifles I want.

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