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Wal-Mart Stores Sell Out Of Guns

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Yesterday, when we described the unprecedented surge in gun sales in the aftermath of the Newtown massacre, we said that "what is most ironic, is that it is precisely the fear of forced, unilateral rejection, by either or all three branches of government, of the original constitution and its various amendments that has Americans scrambling into gun stores. And thus the closed loop nature of the problem: by threatening to take away America's guns, the government is only exacerbating a problem that is steeped in 200+ years of history and is engrained deep in American psychology." It took about 24 hours to demonstrate just how counterproductive government intervention always is: as of this moment, Bloomberg reports, Wal-Mart, the biggest retailer in the US and the world, has stores in at least five states where guns are now completely out of stock.

With President Barack Obama endorsing sweeping gun restrictions in the wake of the school shootings in Newtown, Connecticut, prices for handgun magazines are surging on EBay (EBAY) and semi-automatic rifles are sold out at many Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT) locations.


Wal-Mart, the world’s largest retailer, said yesterday that it would continue to sell guns, including rifles like the one used at Newtown, where 26 people, most of them children, were killed on Dec. 14. By contrast, Dick’s Sporting Goods Inc. (DKS) suspended sales of similar guns at its more than 500 stores.


Searches of five kinds of semi-automatic rifles on Wal- Mart’s website showed them to be out of stock at stores in five states, including Pennsylvania, Kansas and Alabama. Wal-Mart doesn’t sell guns online, instead asking customers to input a zip code to see if their local store carries a specific weapon.


“We remain dedicated to the safe and responsible sale of firearms in areas of the country where they are sold,” David Tovar, a spokesman for Wal-Mart, said yesterday. He didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment on this story.


Wal-Mart has about 10 modern sporting rifles, the gun industry’s term for firearms that look like an M-16 military rifle, listed on its website. The retailer removed a description and picture of the Bushmaster AR-15, which was the model used in Newtown, after the shootings.

Who benefits from the government's pseudo intervention? None other than the uber-wealthy Walton family.

The move may have helped as U.S. Wal-Mart stores posted their first gain in same-store sales in more than two years in October 2011. Wal-Mart doesn’t disclose how many guns it sells, though at an analysts’ meeting in October it said gun revenue gained 76 percent in the first half of this fiscal year. The chain advertised a Sig Sauer M400 as one of its Black Friday doorbusters last month, offering the rifle for $50 off at $867.

It gets worse: now that guns are transforming from a commoditized to a niche, collectible product, whose future is unclear due to what the government may or may not do, the supply, demand dynamics have shifted massively in favor of the side that pushes the equilibrium price higher (just so even central-planning economists understand this).

On EBay Inc.'s auction website, shoppers have recently bid up gun magazines. The current bid for four Glock handgun magazines, ammunition for one of the guns used at Newtown, is $118.37 compared with $45 on the day before the shooting. The bid for seven Glock magazines hit $201 on Dec. 17 from $71.01 before the massacre.


Gun buyers have flooded other firearms retailers too. The Hyatt Gun Shop in Charlotte, North Carolina, racked up more than $1 million in sales yesterday for the best single-day performance since the store opened in 1959, according to Justin Anderson, director of online sales. At the top of shoppers’ lists was the Bushmaster AR-15, the model of rifle used at Newtown that sells for as much as $4,000 and had almost sold out, he said.


Revenue at one of the largest U.S. gun stores surpassed even the spike just after Obama was elected president in 2008, Anderson said in a telephone interview. Sales weren’t as robust when Obama was re-elected last month because the president hadn’t backed major new gun laws, he said.

While we have no interest in pursuing any of the ethical sides of this argument, we do know that the more the government intervenes, even if it is with the noblest intentions, the greater the adverse and negative fallout will be. And, in typical government fashion, the more it pushes to get its way (or the highway) the greater the tragic consequences result in a country which - by dint of simply what it is - has over 300 million weapons. Good luck and godspeed with any hopes of "controlling" them.


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Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:39 | 3080281 Robot Traders Mom
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As we say in Texas, come and take it!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:47 | 3080301 hedgeless_horseman
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Item 2

...Realize that everything is likely to cost more next year, if you can get it, so better to buy it now.... 


Item 5

Included on the list is an advanced, easy to use, compact, and highly reliable personal-defense weapon system that is made by FN Herstal, currently the largest arms manufacturer for the U.S. military. The FN FiveseveN pistol (get the model with tritium night sights installed) and PS90 rifle (Tri-Rail model) each fire the same 5.7 x 28 ammunition, which, along with these two weapons, is extremely light to carry. These weapons' standard magazines hold 20 and 50 rounds, respectively.  Unlike many old-school firearms, these are actually fun to learn to operate, because they are so light, yet still have no felt recoil (aka kick). A Zeiss Z-Point optic (rifle sight), Urban ERT sling, TLR-1 weapon light, kydex pistol holster, magazine carriers, and spare magazines are all crucial components that cannot be excluded.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:57 | 3080371 Overfed
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The FN 5-7 is pretty awesome, but the ammo is way too pricey. 9mm ammo is half the price fo 5.7 on the intermet, but I've picked it up quite recently for well under $10/50.  Then sold it again for fear of confiscation.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:03 | 3080397 The Shootist
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LMAO at how much money the Dicks at Dicks Sptg. Goods are losing for pulling guns.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:09 | 3080422 A Lunatic
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I hope everyone remembers this and Dicks (with no balls) goes bankrupt............

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:17 | 3080456 Freddie
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Don't forget Stupider than Dirt in Fort Worth.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:07 | 3080664 Tijuana Donkey Show
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These people are TRUE AMERICANS. They are not selling until everyone else sells out, then they can jack up the prices for even bigger bucks for the guns they still have. Also, my local Dicks was almost cleared out of guns before this happened, so I doubt it will impact them much, unless you were looking for a pink Ruger 10/22.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:21 | 3080717 Short Memories
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AAPL should do an iRifle and an iPistol (sorry, I should say an iRifle-Mini)

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:31 | 3080955 The Alarmist
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Be sure to put it on your credit card so you can get the most bang for your buck when you default.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 00:07 | 3081510 Pinto Currency
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Buying guns is a waste of money when Barry and Joe are going to protect you by making guns illegal.

Most here did not get the memo.




Thu, 12/20/2012 - 10:44 | 3082459 Antifaschistische
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Where's the tears Mr. President!

I'm late to this posting...I don't care.   I'm sick of the nonsense.  The recent shooting are sad.  Very sad.  But sad things happen every day in this country.  Obama got on the podium for one reason.  The cameras were there.

How about traffic fatalities?

How about the tens of thousand of people who are killed every year as the result of 'under the influence' drivers?

Where are the tears Mr. President?

Many of those people are infants who were still in their car seats

Where are the tears Mr. President?

Many of those children killed had their entire lives in front of them also.

They were fathers, mothers, grandparents, etc.  There are tens of thousands of kids in this country who are without a parent as the result of UI drivers?

Where are the tears Mr. President?

What about suicides and homocides and domestic violence that takes place at the hand or Prescription medicines distributed like candy to kids and adults alike?

Where are the tears Mr. President?

I'm tired of this.  I want a poster hanging on the wall of the white house listing accidental deaths and their associated causes.   If you want to be a hero.  Sort that list and start at the top of it and work your way down.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:02 | 3083623 tsx500
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you missed where are the tears for the Americans he let (and maybe even watched LIVE via drone cam ?) die in Benghazi ?!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:35 | 3080769 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Dicks & CTD no lomger exist in my realm.. I don't tolerate cowards well. Oh and Fuck off Piers morgan

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:06 | 3081428 Squid Vicious
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I'm already short DKS, will add more ... way overvalued POS stock anyway, and now this...

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:58 | 3081548 THX 1178
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Short Dicks you say?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 00:09 | 3081583 Nadaclue
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Another to think about boycotting is

I ordered 20 Pmags Monday morning @ 0800, they charged my CC but still haven't shipped. They also upped the price $12.50 per mag by Mon night, by which time, they sold out.That was over and above them raising prices since Sun afternoon by $2.50 per mag.

I'll email them tomorrow but I fear the greed of the place has overwhelmed my order.

They don't realize that I visit dozens of gun blogs and forums.

We'll see but I don't hold much hope in ever seeing my mags. I will get my cash back by charge-back but I would prefer the goods. Could be they are overwhelmed but usually ship the same or next day.


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 01:31 | 3081716 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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LOL. stocks. But I agree - fuck all three.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 17:54 | 3081727 TruthInSunshine
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LauRue Tactical had 30 Round PMAGs for $15, but placed a limit of 5 per customer in order to ensure ebayer scum weren't buying them for resale.

I'm not sure if they're sold out yet or not. Check.

Also, Magpul released a statement on their website essentially pissing all over Cheaper Than Dirt and other retailers who are raising the MSRP of their magazines, saying that they strongly discourage such practices and are re-examining their relationship with retailers who are now doing this. Magpul is a standup company.

Brownell's, Midway USA, LaRue Tactical & Academy all kept their prices in line because they're ethical.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:14 | 3080900 LasVegasDave
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theyve seen the light.  just got an email that they've resumed online gun sales.

capitalism is a tough bitch to kill

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:48 | 3081016 Freddie
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F Em.

Joe Machin or whatever his name is - the Dem WV Senator was pushing for gun control yesterday.   Not a smart move in WV where a felon in jail in TX almost beat the muslim in the WV primary.

The evil moron did a 180 today.  WV people are the last people you want to try to disarm.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:47 | 3081195 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1  West Virginia was stupid enough to vote for the Democrat, said he was pro-gun, LOL...  Unfortunately, I believe Manchin just got re-elected...

Four (or more) long yearz, bitchez!

Oh, and "git while the gittin's good."

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:45 | 3081504 H E D G E H O G
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Thu, 12/20/2012 - 00:11 | 3081587 Nadaclue
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That escalated quickly !

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 01:34 | 3081718 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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CTD sold us out. If they were actally overwhelmed, they should have said so. Instead, the said, "CTD no longer sells guns." Fuck those pussies.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:51 | 3081212 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ LasVegasDave  + 1

Capitalism may be a tough bitch to kill, but they're working on it...

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:30 | 3081478 1100-TACTICAL-12
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just got it myself.. REPLY fuck off..

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:39 | 3081502 BlackChicken
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If only I could give you another up arrow...

You should hear the talk here in Alaska.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:03 | 3081066 klockwerks
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Man I think they really "shot" themselves in the foot. Never will buy anything else at either place. Really liked CTD, to bad

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:18 | 3080460 ATM
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I will never shop at a Dick's again.

I happend to stop at a Gander Mountain store yesterday to pick up a couple of things and I walked back into the gun area. New store that had probably 8 little desks set up in that part of the store I am presuming for filling out all the paperwork, etc for a gun sale.

Each of those desks was filled with a person and several others were waiting holding some paperwork.

This was 4pm on a Tues. Ithought about buying somehting but I don't wait in lines.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:44 | 3080583 Oquities
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Gun Bubble, Bitchez!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:06 | 3080656 krispkritter
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Not in Camden:

One of the highest murder rates in the country and people are turning in guns.  How many were criminals? How many people who turned them in find themselves regretting that decision? We'll never know...

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:14 | 3080660 Michaelwiseguy
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The Purpose of the 2nd Amendment and gun manufacturing in the USA is meant to kill treasonous traitorous politicians and bureaucrats in the Federal Government.

I say we have a "Million Man Gun March" on Washington DC and clean out the riff raft occupying our federal government.

Everyone can pick their side, those bureaucrat employees of the government and their private lackeys, against our patriotic forces that want to restore the Republic. Lets get it on and get the job done.

We are not going to have a Civil War, brother against brother, or a second American Revolution. What we are going to have is an Insurrection, an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:24 | 3080729 dugorama
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"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

which well regulated Militia do you belong to?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:29 | 3080747 Michaelwiseguy
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I belong to this part; the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, that shall not be infringed. Although I am thinking about joining a local Militia.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:36 | 3080774 jwoop66
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Well said.  I also took an oath a few years ago to support and defend the constitution of the united states.  The oath had no expiration date.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:02 | 3081374 Michaelwiseguy
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I just joined Gun Owners of America ($20.00) while watching the Red Coat treasonous traitor enemy of the USA Piers Morgan. Throwing up watching him, but he is on a gun grabbing rampage and I need to see what the enemy is up to. He's a piece of shit commie collectivist progresser.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 09:08 | 3082093 kralizec
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GOA is the only reliable pro-2nd Amendment organization of any value out there, apart from We the Militia.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:42 | 3080792 TuPhat
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You read that wrong.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:02 | 3081061 Ident 7777 economy
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Which part? How should it be read?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:23 | 3080929 nmewn
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"which well regulated Militia do you belong to?"

The "being necessary to the security of a free State" part.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:49 | 3081200 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1

That would be each of us.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:11 | 3081437 nmewn
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The right of THE PEOPLE, who are the militia...meaning all. Not just cops, DHS, FBI, CIA, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines.

And it doesn't say a fucking thing about hunters and sportsmen in there either, for the low information, leftwing, addlebrained

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 00:01 | 3081561 Jam Akin
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One downvote for both of us.  It appears that we have a revisionist in the woodpile.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 00:22 | 3081606 nmewn
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Personally, I like it when I can live rent free in someone elses head...for a change ;-)

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 00:50 | 3081645 Jam Akin
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Those accomodations are rather're really slumming it tonight!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:36 | 3081494 kito
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Nmewn...lay off the subaru insults.....I travel to Vermont often...they all drive subarus and Vermont has the most liberty minded gun laws in the country.....dont even need a ccw permit there.....

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 00:09 | 3081582 nmewn
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If Vermont is anything like Fla...its being steadily infested by loud mouthed New Yawkah's & their Volvo's ;-)

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:43 | 3080992 Jam Akin
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I am part of the militia that is comprised of individual free citizens of the US.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:02 | 3081021 Michaelwiseguy
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800,000 people slaughtered in Rwanda by their own government, mostly with machetes not guns.

Rwanda Genocide Documentary


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:04 | 3081383 A Lunatic
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how timely, I bought two machetes just last week, just in case shit gets realz, lol.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:26 | 3081469 cirrus
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"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:18 | 3080912 F. Bastiat
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A French style mob action is definitely NOT the way to go. A better idea is an amicable separation of the red areas / blue areas. The ideological chasm cannot be bridged. Separate the assets and liabilities and each territory goes its own way.  Put 90 day migration buffer into place so red folks in blue areas can migrate, and vice versa.

As civilized individuals, we should propose a serious, civilized path ahead. A path based upon proven principles and the experience of wise men.

If the impulsive barbarians, more commonly known as today's liberals, attempt to impede our liberty, then and only then, shall we be impelled to defend our liberty with force.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:29 | 3080945 nmewn
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An oldie but a goodie...

Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters, et al:

We have stuck together since the late 1950's, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.

Here is a model separation agreement:

Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.

We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell (You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them).

We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens. We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood .

You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security.

We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N.. but we will no longer be paying the bill.

We'll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station wagon you can find.

You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors. We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right. We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem. I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World.

We'll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up poverty your best shot. Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag.

Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you ANWAR which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.


John J. Wall
Law Student and an American

Sign Here______________________

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:35 | 3080960 Karlus
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I do not favor separation. My view is that the red states will "annex" the red states.

Non compliance will result in an embargo of food deliveries. The blue states in turn can embargo American Idol.

Good luck to them.

In the aftermath and new Constitutional Convention, only landholders can vote or alternately those that pay taxes.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:40 | 3080974 F. Bastiat
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Certainly, the red states could potentially embargo agricultural supplies and energy, almot all of which is produced in red areas.  It would take substantially more organization in the red areas to band together, though. Currently there doesnt' seem to be a whole lot of obvious cooperation.

Logistics are critially important - those thinking ahead should perfect their distribution networks in red areas and move away from blue ones.

A currency crisis would probably the most likely pretext to impel a separation; I doubt the current crop of red-state Governors would have the guts to do it, though. With the exception of TX, of course.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:57 | 3081042 Freddie
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The last election like the prior was totally rigged.  The RINO Dems destroyed the Tea Party and backed Obama.  Vote fraud was astronomical.

We have slavery now where people work hard to stay above water to have their money taken by parasites.  enough.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 22:12 | 3081069 Ident 7777 economy
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The only 'rigging' was the Paulites who threw a hissy fit and wouldn't vote ROMNEY ...


There, I said it.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:13 | 3081443 Squid Vicious
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and Romney would do what exactly in January? besides putting all the scum "neo-cons" that got us into Iraq back into foreign policy positions...

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:18 | 3081453 Ident 7777 economy
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" ... and Romney would do what exactly in ... "


No more 'smart Latinas', or short, sqat inexperienced-in-life lezbos to the SC for starters ...

I want someone with a some breadth and depth instead of narrow, focused little special-interest type person ...


Or an attorney general who is going to go 'fast and furious' gun-running for the purpose of 2nd amendment 'repeal'.


Would that satisfy you?


Or, you want more 'left'?


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:36 | 3081496 Stoploss
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We voted for Obama to ensure what is occurring now.

We love it when a plan comes together..

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:52 | 3081522 Michaelwiseguy
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We voted Obama because we knew he would expose himself and his agenda to the light of day, so we could politically assassinate him and his followers. And other reasons.

Personally I think he's a pretty cool guy, but his ideology remains the big issue.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:44 | 3081188 F. Bastiat
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We're not there yet, IMO. There's still enough credit available so that no one's really feeling the pinch. The advantage, if you can call it that, of fiat currency is that is postpones all days of reckoning and all consequences into one final day of reckoning and consequences.

So, now's the time to build public opinion, make prudent purchases, and improve one's knowledge.  Eliminating or minimizing exposure to the fantasies and superstitions of the mass-image-media is especially prudent.

Prudence, discipline, and fortitude - orders of the day.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:10 | 3081090 nmewn
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Just had a talk with my Mom-In-Law (sitting across the table from me). She's on Social Security and knows she has already been robbed and her kids are in the process of being robbed.

It's getting close.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:58 | 3081229 madmax1965
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Wish I could say the same!  I have been in some heated discussions lately with my Mom, she thinks I have lost it!  She knows that DC is full of crooks and yet still thinks Obummer is going to help her!  So frustrating it is not funny!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 22:36 | 3081345 nmewn
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See F. Bastiat's comments above, which I agree with.

At some point, we will have to realize everyone will not or cannot, be saved. However, I subscribe to the the thought that I will not become a recluse or push people away because they don't see what I see...especially family.

Whenever another bank implodes or is fined an non-obscene amount for the damage done, whenever another Corzine is exposed, whenever another green job bankruptcy is announced, whenever another welfare cheat is caught at a titty bar using EBT, just wink at her. She'll know.

There will be plenty of time for full blown toldja-so smugness, later ;-)

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:03 | 3081413 yellowsub
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You really think the ineptitude of our gov't ends at the FED level?

So quick are the states to beg for FED for assistance...


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:53 | 3081034 krispkritter
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Nmewm...sorry to say I'm on my way out of FL. The tide turned here(just north of you), the influx of Public  pensioned retirees, Public parasites, and those damn NY/NJ'ites just ruined it. They are actually asking for the county to pay for their 'street lights', fixed price light posts in rural areas, because they are used to lights. Ruins the stars and why am I paying for it? Sky-rocketing property tax for services I don't and never will use, retired Public employees on fat pensions that complain that a neighbor put up a 12x20 shed, on 3 acres(approx. 120k sf.) while they skirt taxes by 'renting' cows for a couple months to get Greenbelt exemptions. Building Dept. stuck in the stone ages and the Property Appraiser that threatened me with back taxes because they failed to do their job, not me, them. My move is to a state with similar taxes(no income) and NO building department along with little local gov't oversight. The parasites insist the host will live forever, the host is like WTF?! Best of luck.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:17 | 3081116 nmewn
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I must confess, I'm north of you...sorry if I misled but it is a public forum.

Check out "spring country", it's a shorter move and it's what you're looking for I think ;-)

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:13 | 3081105 klockwerks
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That was so well done it brought a tear to my eye, not the Obama kind, the real ones

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:52 | 3081531 Rusty Diggins
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Well, Im in on half of your list anyways, a plus for the half I agree with.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 00:09 | 3081579 Rusty Diggins
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OK a good post, but fuck off about the subaru wagon, mine'll go places your crappy GMC will cry on the way.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:20 | 3081124 boogerbently
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You're kidding, right?

The only money the "blue" has is the "reds"!

They could separate and VOTE all the bennies they want, but without the red $$$ to support them, they are SOL.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:28 | 3081472 samcontrol
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what the fuck does French style mob mean ? how is it being French diference it from any oher mob?

Way to many posts on guns eat your pride and open your eyes.
Hint, It,s not the French.....

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:29 | 3081473 samcontrol
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what the fuck does French style mob mean ? how is it being French diference it from any oher mob?

Way to many posts on guns eat your pride and open your eyes.
Hint, It,s not the French.....

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:29 | 3081475 samcontrol
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what the fuck does French style mob mean ? how is it being French diference it from any oher mob?

Way to many posts on guns eat your pride and open your eyes.
Hint, It,s not the French.....

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:48 | 3081521 quasimodo
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Just guessing here, but did you forget to take your Tourette's meds again?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:28 | 3081476 samcontrol
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what the fuck does French style mob mean ? how is it being French diference it from any oher mob?

Way to many posts on guns eat your pride and open your eyes.
Hint, It,s not the French.....

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:48 | 3081519 quasimodo
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Just guessing here, but did you forget to take your Tourette's meds again?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 00:25 | 3081613 nmewn
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Thu, 12/20/2012 - 00:31 | 3081618 NeedtoSecede
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I have been dreaming of the day we just admit this aint working anymore and we peacefully go our separate ways and leave the libtards to their dreams of socialist utopia (Or Third World Banana Republic)

However peaceful our intentions may be, I would be willing to fight the tyranny with any means possible and hope to leave it better than we found it.

I just wish all my guns and ammo hadn't fallen into the same deep dark lake my phizz did. May be impossible to replace before the shitstorm goes full-on hurricane. Gonna be expensive to fill the safe back up.

And for those of you speaking of FNH, please take a close look at my avatar for my stamp of approval. I do miss my FNP45 Tactical...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 00:05 | 3081562 Real Estate Geek
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I say we have a "Million Man Gun March" on Washington DC and clean out the riff raft occupying our federal government.

That would sure open up a lot of people's eyes.  And by "that," I mean when the feds use heavy weapons to cut down those million marchers.  Because that's what they'd fucking do, you know. 

Where do you think DC is?  Iceland? 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:32 | 3081157 bigrooster
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WTF is wrong with those people?  Don't they know that the buyback is run by a Wall Street Hedge Fund that is going to package and sell Gun Backed Securites (GBS)!  This is the new growth industry!  Oh wait that is why Obama wants to shut it down.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 09:20 | 3082113 10mm
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Fuck Jersey.Let em rot.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:52 | 3080822 Abitdodgie
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I was in a little town in North Dakota called Carrington (pop 2000 i think) the gun store sold 50 ar 15 in 4 hours

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:59 | 3081051 Freddie
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Unreal.  I would be most, if not all, of people in or around Carrington ND already have guns too.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 22:49 | 3081382 Uncle Remus
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lots of out-of-towners working the shale oil?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 22:49 | 3081385 seek
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I stopped by one of the larger stores in my area (Scottsdale Gun Club) yesterday around 2PM -- there were about 12 staff on duty, and customers were lined up 3-4 deep on each person. I've never seen anything like that before. They have quite a bit of inventory and I've been checking online and I'm seeing stuff blip to "out of stock" every 20-30 minutes. Even things I wouldn't have expected (like a 6 round Nano, six guns to zero in two days.)

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:34 | 3081491 CoolBeans
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We are boycotting them as well.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:33 | 3080528 BraveSirRobin
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The reports I read indicate the murderer used two semi-automatic pistols with standard magazines, not an "assault rifle." While the murderer took the assault rifle with him, he left it in his car, and it was not used in the killings.

Odd then that the government is using this as an excuse to go after "assault rifles." Do you think it is a coincidence they are going after the weapons the military uses?

I wonder if the Nazis would have been so eager to throw all the Jews into concentration camps if they were all armed to the teeth with semi-automatic weapons.

Couldn't happen here? As I recall, we threw every Japanese american west of the Miss. river into a camp in 1942. Sure, we did not starve them, kill them, or use them for sick medical experiments, but we uprooted them and put them in camps behind barbed wire.

It's not the "Bill or Needs" or the "Bill of Wants," folks - it's the "Bill of Rights." The government wants to treat you as a potential hostile, something to be wary of, not as their sovereign. We are losing our freedom drip by drip. But I say everyone gets the government they deserve.

I will note that every adult male citizen in Switzerland has an assault rifle and is trained to use it. Most keep their weapons at home. In addition the geovernment subsidizes ammunition to encourage men to shoot and maintain their skills, and yet the homicide rate in the US is 14 time higher than in Switzerland.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:47 | 3080562 Ident 7777 economy
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 BraveSirRobin:  "The reports I read indicate the murderer used two semi-automatic pistols with standard magazines, not an "assault rifle. 


Well, BUCKWHEAT, you read wrong (or read material SEVERAL DAYS OLD and not up to date.)




PS. We need a "Remember Nick Meli" day

(Nick is the one who drew down on the Clackamas mall shooter and forced him out of the food court area)




Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:55 | 3080616 BraveSirRobin
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Yep, stand corrected. Reports now claim three guns were taken into the school - two semi-automatic pistols and one AR type rifle, and that a shotgun was left in the car.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:06 | 3080867 Dapper Dan
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From Friday afternoon untill about 8:00 sunday morning all the news reports indicated 2 hand guns found at the scene and a Bushmaster A/R found in the car, then on Sunday the Chief Medical Examiner Dr. H Wayne Carver said  that the deaths can be attributed to the long rifle, which means it was the .223 Bushmaster.  Strange and peculiar./

Of note,

Adam Lanza did not exist for 2 years, stranger and peculiarer

Be carefull what you post!

Vance Says Misinformation on Crime Being Posted on Social Media

Misinformation on the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, is being posted on social media websites, and that will be prosecuted, Lieutenant J. Paul Vance said in a televised briefing.

He said the last autopsy results on the shooting suspect and his mother will be reported this afternoon. Vance also said that they have not released a timeline of the events from Dec. 14 yet. Vance is with the Connecticut State Police.

The social media postings have been inaccurate, threatening, and people have been posing as the shooter and others and may be in violation of federal and state laws, Vance said.

Police officials said it’s much too early to begin to comment on when the children will return to Sandy Hook Elementary School.


( I belive I heard Paul say on Saturday that two pistols were found at the scene and a Bushmaster A/R found in the trunk of the suspects car, but don't quote me or Paul on that).


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:12 | 3081101 Ident 7777 economy
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get up-to-date and quit reading 'social media' (gossip) 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:36 | 3081168 bigrooster
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I agree I heard the AR 15 in the trunk story Friday afternoon as well.  But it would not work well to try and go after hand guns first so the story had to change.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:39 | 3081177 Ident 7777 economy
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... Friday ... OLD NEWS ... move on and and get up-to-date

Who do you think you are ... congress? Living in the last century?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:06 | 3081427 mjcOH1
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"I agree I heard the AR 15 in the trunk story Friday afternoon as well.  But it would not work well to try and go after hand guns first so the story had to change."


The latest is the killer used a sock full of gold coins and had The Bill of Rights on his T-shirt.    Michael Moore saved the rest of America by beating him to death with a copy of 'Dreams of My Father'.

Get with the program.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:53 | 3081535 quasimodo
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IOW's vance is saying don't try to dig for what may be the truth, don't question us, etc etc

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 00:52 | 3081649 Dapper Dan
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Sorry if this was posted already.

If this video is for real and the M/E in the vid is for real then I am very concerned, very concerned.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:42 | 3080573 newdoobie
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Guns don't kill people, The N - word kills people.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:44 | 3080582 beaglebog
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I saw the pathologist on the news ... he stated that all the victims had been killed with rifle ammunition ... he also stated that he had autopsied thousands of gun-shot victims, during his career.


What do you make of that?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:58 | 3080610 hedgeless_horseman
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he also stated that he had autopsied thousands of gun-shot victims, during his career

The only places with thousands of shooting deaths over any reasonable career length are very large cities that have gun control, so he must be old and have worked in Chicago, NYC, or DC.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:34 | 3080763 beaglebog
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Link to the video, showing the pathologist's interview. 


He's about 60 years old.


He does state that all were killed "using the long weapon" ... but that he hadn't autopsied the shooter or the mother, yet. 

Someone asks, "But, wasn't the rifle found in the car?"  

The answer given is, "That's not correct, sir." 




I thought I'd seen video of the Bushmaster being retrieved from a car, by a policeman. Maybe I'm mistaken.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:56 | 3080838 Abitdodgie
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I saw the footage the gun in the trunk was a semi auto shotgun. But who were the 2 guys aressted and put in cuffs and then released.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:01 | 3081057 Freddie
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Yup.  It was either a semi auto shot gun or Saiga rifle.  They showed a video but the guys on AR 15 could not tell.

Why were there supposedly 4 hand gunds in teh school?

Who are the two guys they arrested then released? 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:22 | 3081123 Ident 7777 economy
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Freddie: "... Why were there supposedly 4 hand gunds in teh school?


Who are the two guys they arrested then released?"


There were originally six shooters.

Two federal, two state, one county and one township, plus the 'patsy' who was made out to be Adam Lanza. His body was 'dumped' there during the initial invasion and shoot-out. Yes, personnel in the school did fire back, but, body protection gear worn by the feds, state and locals protected them ... one federal and one state did not make it out, and are probably who you saw in custody there briefly. 





How's that for 'synthesis'?





Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:05 | 3081072 GCT
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Beagle I saw the same initial video where a police officer pulled the bushmaster out of the vehicle and it was not a auto shotgun.  Wierd and strange how things have now changed. 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:19 | 3081122 BraveSirRobin
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I only read reports which through the weekend were saying the AR-15 was found in the trunk of the car. Newest reports state a shotgun was left in the car. If anyone can find a video or picture of the AR-15 being removed from the car, that would be interesting.

The AR-15 makes a pretty distinctive wound. Out of consideration for the families of the dead, I will not describe it. However, you do not have to be an expert to identify it.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:57 | 3081544 jerry_theking_lawler
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actually incorrect depends on the 'type' of ammunition used. lead/hollowpoint .223/5.56 would be N.A.S.T.Y. whereas FMJ rounds would go right through with clean little 5.56mm holes.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:04 | 3082180 Sketch
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"clean" huh? I take it you haven't seen too many exit wounds. Even with FMJ, you still have energy displacemnet within the soft tissue - Look up "cavitation".


/for your bathroom reading:


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:13 | 3080686 FeralSerf
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I wonder if an credible effort will be made to prove using ballistics that all the bullets found in the victims and on the scene were fired from Mrs. Lanza's Bushmaster.  This seems like the only logical thing to do to help silence the tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:23 | 3080726 Ident 7777 economy
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... and OJ needs to keep looking for Nicole's REAL killer. Uh-huh.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:48 | 3080796 bankerbackbacon
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On a side note.

I wonder how healthy it is that every time there is a massacre, gun sales go up? Hmmm.

If I was a gun manufacturer ___________ .

If I was "shorting the gulf" ________ oil spill.

I bet Walmart is really upset about the children er shortage of stock.






Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:23 | 3081134 boogerbently
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They get us to eliminate haalf of ourselves.

Red against blue. White against black.

Christian against non.

Rich against poor.

We need to ALL unite against DC/WallSt.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:56 | 3081540 Rusty Diggins
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You are brave, Sir Robin.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 06:58 | 3081987 Ain't No Sunshine
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Isn't it strange that almost one week later that we still don't have the FACTS of what really happened in Connecticut?

It is not only our government, but also our media.

The media sucks Big Time.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:19 | 3080409 hedgeless_horseman
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All the good factory ammo is pricey these days, no matter what the caliber. 

What to do?  Dry fire.  To do so correctly, one must overcome the magazine safety on the FiveseveN.  This is done by simply removing the follower and spring from a magazine.


Item 7

Complete the following courses in this order:

1. One half-day tactical folding knife class; $150.

2. 2-3 weekends of Tactical Pistol Courses; $1,000.

3. 2-3 weekends of Tactical Rifle Courses; $1,000.

4. One day of Self and Family Emergency Medical Aid/Trauma Kit Course; $150.

5. A series of several two-hour self-defense classes (not martial arts classes); $200.

6. Fulfillment of requirements for concealed handgun permit; $250.

You should learn in these classes how to safely conduct dry-fire training with your firearms and a dummy knife. Do this on a regular basis, such as once per week for at least 5 minutes.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:19 | 3080464 Agent P
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Substitute the word "ammo" in the joke's just as applicable.

Why is getting divorced so expensive?  Because it's worth it.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:21 | 3080476 hedgeless_horseman
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Ratio of dry fire training to live fire training should be at least 10:1.


What is the difference between guns and women? 

Guns don't mind it when you get another one.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:52 | 3080600 Canucklehead
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What you "really" should do is buy a 22 target pistol to go with whatever you "actually" bought.  The name of the game is moving down the "learning curve".  It doesn't matter what sport you play, you need to groove your golf swing, bat swing, hockey shot, guitar lick, etc. by playing it over and over.  I believe studies state you need at least a thousand moves before muscle memory starts to kick in.

Dry firing works for awhile but is boring and doesn't give any feedback.  Blasting through a thousand or so rounds when you don't know what you are doing is expensive, but will give you feedback.

22 LR rimfire is cheap and fun. 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:57 | 3080624 NotApplicable
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Agreed. Like many forms of incomplete practice, I find it creates bad habits, as sloppy behavior goes undetected.

Plus, I'd never dry fire my own weapon.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:07 | 3080663 FeralSerf
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Dry firing a rim fire .22 can damage the firing pin.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:21 | 3080923 Canucklehead
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The plan was that you shoot the 22 instead of the pistol you actually bought for use.  Shooting the 22 is a cheaper way of learning good habits and moving down the learning curve.  When you start to practise with your actual pistol, you learn quicker and a lot of what you learned from the 22 translates into the 9mm, 45acp, 40S&W etc. that you want to shoot with.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:39 | 3080973 The Alarmist
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"Shooting the 22 is a cheaper way of learning good habits and moving down the learning curve."

Reminds me of an old joke:

Q: Why is riding a minibike like screwing a fat chick?

A: Both are fun to ride as long as your friends are not looking.  

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:54 | 3080684 hedgeless_horseman
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I find it creates bad habits

Like what, specifically?  Many find it to be essential to creating good habits, like:

  • safety
  • draw from holster
  • grip
  • presentation
  • sight picture
  • manipulation of the safety
  • slack up
  • slow squeeze
  • letting the shot suprise you
  • second sight
  • tap-rack for clearing stoppages
  • fast combat reloads
  • fast tactical reloads


I'd never dry fire my own weapon.

You must own antiques.  Most modern centerfire weapons suffer no ill effects from dry fire.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:12 | 3080887 TN Jed
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Just by keeping it next to me instead of the remote control, I know my 1911 and it's reset like the back of my hand.  Probably why I masterbate much less.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:57 | 3081545 Rusty Diggins
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Don't forget "scan your surroundings"

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 22:08 | 3081266 boogerbently
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That's like driving a ball into tat tarp that's only about 20 feet away, and pretending you're golfing.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:21 | 3080716 Freddie
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Guns, women and dry firing?

Is this like dry humping?



Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:27 | 3080735 Ident 7777 economy
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... um, s-l-o-w dancing ...

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:26 | 3080501 Sweet Chicken
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Sweet Hedge! I took my first 8 hour tactical pistol training course this past Sunday and have been "dry" practicing every day since. Probably the best money I have ever spent in my life. I will definitely be going back for all three of the higher lever pistol training courses. 

If there is anyone out there considering purchasing a handgun who has never been trained in this way I suggest you consider this. I trained at Asymmetrical Solutions in Potosi, MO and it is amazing what you can learn/accomplish with one day of proper real life high stress training. Range time is not training and should never be confused as such.  

Check em' out

Contact John Wall and tell him I sent you. If you would like to talk to me more about this I will happily provide you my email address. 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:06 | 3081078 perchprism
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"psst.....yeah....Sweet Chicken sent me...."



Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:35 | 3080541 BraveSirRobin
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Easier still - there are dummy rounds designed and constructed for dry firing. They are inexpensive and are great training aids.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:47 | 3080574 hedgeless_horseman
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Dummy rounds are indeed useful, but keeping a dummy magazine with no follower is much easier.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:16 | 3080907 TN Jed
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What does removing the follower accomplish?  Does it keep the slide from locking open?  Interested to know.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:09 | 3080416 Sands8oo
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Guns Bitchez!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:25 | 3080503 BonerParte
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#Crybama, Bitchez!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:18 | 3080468 Hubbs
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I thought  you lost it in a boating accident.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:00 | 3080626 F. Bastiat
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One of the swarms of the despot's agents and officers apparently decided to sell his 5-7 on eBay. Here's where it went:


"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance." -Thomas Jefferson

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:12 | 3080889 Hacked Economy
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Close, but not quite a bullseye.  This was not a Jeffersonian quote, but text taken directly from the grievances listed in the Declaration of Independence (even though Jefferson was the main architect of the text).

BTW, if you really want to learn a founding document in a new light as you never have before...MEMORIZE it.  It took me about a month, but I memorized the entire Declaration.  And Franklin's famous "God governs the affairs of men" speech at the Constitutional Convention (1787).  And the Gettysburg Address (1863).  Now I'm working on Patrick Henry's full "give me liberty or give me death" speech.

It sure ain't easy, but once you cement it into your memory, it comes alive for you as never before, and you're able to immediately counter-punch a liberal's erroneous arguments on the fly (and when you do it from memory instead of doing a search with your smartphone, it makes you seem like more of an authority on the matter, and even libs will listen to you).  Amazing stuff, our founding documents.  :)

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:50 | 3081023 F. Bastiat
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Fair enough; since Jefferson's the recognized author of the Declaration, it seems reasonable to attribute that line to him.  It's one of the 27 offenses submitted to a candid world.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:03 | 3081059 Hacked Economy
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I applaud your direction, but let's agree to credit the Declaration itself, as Jefferson was only one of 56 signers.  Nearly every one of them truly did give up their lives, fortunes, estates, families, freedom, etc. as a result of penning their names to the list of grievances.  The king's forces dealt harshly in retaliation.

But the signers didn't relinquish their honor.  They retained that in spades.  How many of us here would do the same, if we found ourselves at a similar crossroads?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:48 | 3081197 F. Bastiat
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True, but I've never seen any evidence that Jefferson was not the author.  Anywho, I applaud your dedication, great work all around. Am still working on integrating key words into my efforts. "Impel", "faction", "approbation", etc.

Precise words reduce slovenly thinking and slovenly thinking isn't something anyone can afford these days.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:42 | 3080986 F. Bastiat
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Ammo availability would seem to be a concern.  5.56 and .223 are very common and widely available.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:47 | 3080310 maxmad
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Really sad that Americans would rather have a gun that jams every 2nd shot rather than a nice reliable commy AK-47 that will fire after under any circumstances...

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:48 | 3080321 maxmad
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They deserve to ban AR's if for no other reason than they malfunction... No other company/item could get away with malfunctioning/jamming like that!!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:52 | 3080343 The Shootist
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Yeah, but who wouldn't want a scary black rifle to give the libtards a conniption?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:53 | 3080346 drink or die
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I sure hope you are just trolling AR owners as opposed to displaying your ignorance.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:56 | 3080367 maxmad
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Nope... Most AR's are rated avg...Not a very reliable weapon... 

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