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Wal-Mart Stores Sell Out Of Guns

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Yesterday, when we described the unprecedented surge in gun sales in the aftermath of the Newtown massacre, we said that "what is most ironic, is that it is precisely the fear of forced, unilateral rejection, by either or all three branches of government, of the original constitution and its various amendments that has Americans scrambling into gun stores. And thus the closed loop nature of the problem: by threatening to take away America's guns, the government is only exacerbating a problem that is steeped in 200+ years of history and is engrained deep in American psychology." It took about 24 hours to demonstrate just how counterproductive government intervention always is: as of this moment, Bloomberg reports, Wal-Mart, the biggest retailer in the US and the world, has stores in at least five states where guns are now completely out of stock.

With President Barack Obama endorsing sweeping gun restrictions in the wake of the school shootings in Newtown, Connecticut, prices for handgun magazines are surging on EBay (EBAY) and semi-automatic rifles are sold out at many Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT) locations.


Wal-Mart, the world’s largest retailer, said yesterday that it would continue to sell guns, including rifles like the one used at Newtown, where 26 people, most of them children, were killed on Dec. 14. By contrast, Dick’s Sporting Goods Inc. (DKS) suspended sales of similar guns at its more than 500 stores.


Searches of five kinds of semi-automatic rifles on Wal- Mart’s website showed them to be out of stock at stores in five states, including Pennsylvania, Kansas and Alabama. Wal-Mart doesn’t sell guns online, instead asking customers to input a zip code to see if their local store carries a specific weapon.


“We remain dedicated to the safe and responsible sale of firearms in areas of the country where they are sold,” David Tovar, a spokesman for Wal-Mart, said yesterday. He didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment on this story.


Wal-Mart has about 10 modern sporting rifles, the gun industry’s term for firearms that look like an M-16 military rifle, listed on its website. The retailer removed a description and picture of the Bushmaster AR-15, which was the model used in Newtown, after the shootings.

Who benefits from the government's pseudo intervention? None other than the uber-wealthy Walton family.

The move may have helped as U.S. Wal-Mart stores posted their first gain in same-store sales in more than two years in October 2011. Wal-Mart doesn’t disclose how many guns it sells, though at an analysts’ meeting in October it said gun revenue gained 76 percent in the first half of this fiscal year. The chain advertised a Sig Sauer M400 as one of its Black Friday doorbusters last month, offering the rifle for $50 off at $867.

It gets worse: now that guns are transforming from a commoditized to a niche, collectible product, whose future is unclear due to what the government may or may not do, the supply, demand dynamics have shifted massively in favor of the side that pushes the equilibrium price higher (just so even central-planning economists understand this).

On EBay Inc.'s auction website, shoppers have recently bid up gun magazines. The current bid for four Glock handgun magazines, ammunition for one of the guns used at Newtown, is $118.37 compared with $45 on the day before the shooting. The bid for seven Glock magazines hit $201 on Dec. 17 from $71.01 before the massacre.


Gun buyers have flooded other firearms retailers too. The Hyatt Gun Shop in Charlotte, North Carolina, racked up more than $1 million in sales yesterday for the best single-day performance since the store opened in 1959, according to Justin Anderson, director of online sales. At the top of shoppers’ lists was the Bushmaster AR-15, the model of rifle used at Newtown that sells for as much as $4,000 and had almost sold out, he said.


Revenue at one of the largest U.S. gun stores surpassed even the spike just after Obama was elected president in 2008, Anderson said in a telephone interview. Sales weren’t as robust when Obama was re-elected last month because the president hadn’t backed major new gun laws, he said.

While we have no interest in pursuing any of the ethical sides of this argument, we do know that the more the government intervenes, even if it is with the noblest intentions, the greater the adverse and negative fallout will be. And, in typical government fashion, the more it pushes to get its way (or the highway) the greater the tragic consequences result in a country which - by dint of simply what it is - has over 300 million weapons. Good luck and godspeed with any hopes of "controlling" them.


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Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:01 | 3080389 zerotohero
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I like you - arrow up

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:26 | 3080739 carambar
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dont waste your time, ZH became a rallying point for dummies. These people dont want to understand the difference between gun control and gun confiscation.

As often the bigger the guns the smaller the d..k.  

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:09 | 3080417 Pareto
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I would rather be stupid as a sack of nails, than useless as a sack of shit.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:11 | 3080426 zerotohero
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America is the land of opportunity - you can be both

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:12 | 3080680 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Come on, people. What is this, amateur hour?


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:41 | 3080981 zerotohero
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you bit - nice

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:02 | 3081063 Aloha
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Now you tell me. I'm new here, missed that 'warning troll' shingle over the entrance.


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:11 | 3080425's picture



gun lovers are truly unique - oh and stupid as a sack of nails



u·nique   /yo?o?n?k/  Adjective

Being the only one of its kind; unlike anything else:



Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology, U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:14 | 3080435 zerotohero
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See here we go again - you actually believe the shit written in one of these "journals" - see this is part of the problem

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:22 | 3080483's picture

For how long have you displayed a "Gun Free Zone" sign in front of your house?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:12 | 3080429 johnQpublic
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betcha i'm smarter than you are

and i carried a weapon to fight for my country, as did a male of my family in every war america has been involved in since 1812 you piece of shit

i lost family members to wars in 1814,1863,1918,1952.1973

maybe not all of them were just and right but we did our share to protect our rights as americans

one of those is the right to keep and bear arms

if you dont want to use that right its fine by me, but dont try to curtail the rights i and many others have fought for

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:18 | 3080465 zerotohero
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johnny did you eat glue in school?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:50 | 3080595 Cistercian
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I discovered that one of my ancestors fought in the Revolutionary war.He was a commander and was rewarded for his excellent prosecution of the war with a large land grant in Pennsylvania.

  Very cool indeed.I think he would want me to have guns....lots of guns.And be well versed in their use.

 It is just the traditional American thing to do.It is also an actual duty as a citizen....a point sadly lost on those who would destroy this country completely.

 Gun owners=citizens.

 Unarmed=slaves and victims....waiting for the hammer to fall.


 20th century it that hard to understand?


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:45 | 3081000 zerotohero
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well break out the banners and whistles for ole' fuckin ancestors - now go back to your video game - I'm sure your some super duper black  ops specialist - mom called from upstairs your KD is ready

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 01:39 | 3081721 Hacked Economy
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Well, that did it.  You finally blew your cover and proved yourself to be nothing more than a teenager at his bedroom PC.  Trashing another ZeroHedge'rs family line...only cowards do that.  Cowards or bratty 15-year-olds.

Come back when you've grown up.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:12 | 3080682 object_orient
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Are you sure all those wars since 1812 were "for my country?" The threat to the Second Amendment, if there is one, is from your own government. The same one your family fought and died in wars for. Reevaluate your logic or your rhetoric. One or both is out of whack.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:31 | 3080754 FeralSerf
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". . . a male of my family in every war america has been involved in since 1812. . ."

Grenada and Panama too?  Wow, you must be proud!


Some of my ancestors fought in King Phillip's War.  I guess I've got you beat.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:20 | 3080475 foodstampbarry
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Look at your down arrows. haha we win!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:28 | 3080513 zerotohero
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Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:14 | 3081447 CoolBeans
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What are you, a 12 year old?

Sit quietly there in your mom's basement and watch some YouTube - you've received more than enough attention today.  

ZeroHedgers:  We normally don't shun posters (or just do so politely) but now might be a good time to start.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:45 | 3080305 AgShaman
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That disgusting cunt Piers Morgan is developing a nervous tick

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:49 | 3080326 Overfed
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I hope this buying frenzy gives that POS an apoplexy.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:13 | 3080430 whotookmyalias
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I hope it caused his diarrhea of the mouth to move south.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:10 | 3080665 kill switch
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All the above I agree!!!! That POS should go back to his QUEEN and the 900 to GDP debt ratio, this cock sucker said to the Gun Owners of America that he was an idiot.....Even Howard Stern thinks he is a POS .....And I like Howard.. The Rupert Murdoch  scandal that YOU WHERE A PART OF!!!!!! You are a slug that slimed your way out because CNN covered your ASS.....

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:09 | 3080872 Freddie
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He got the CNN gig to get out of the UK because that cell phone scandal was getting close to him.

Most people here do not know about it.  The phone scandal was Murdoch's news of the world was hacking celebs and others cell phones.  Brit intell types helped them.  Murdoch had to shut down news of the world which is a MAJOR scandal newspaper around since 1840 or something.

They hack loads of people's cell phones including Hugh Grant, British royals, loads of  celebs and a little girl dying of cancer. 

Murdoch/Fox is NOT our friend.  ALL of TV and ALL of Hollywood will disarm you in a minute. F them. Do not support them.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:19 | 3080466 lakecity55
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And O-Phone is a full-on Retard.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:11 | 3081438 CoolBeans
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it's actually "tic".

A tick is a blood sucking parasite...oh, wait....

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 04:46 | 3081853 AgShaman
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nice "likey"

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:45 | 3080307 markar
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This will not end well. An angry and increasingly desperate and armed population.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:05 | 3080407 Zap Powerz
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"only the dead have seen an end to war." --- Plato

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:16 | 3080446 SilverDOG
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View history; they will STARVE us out.


"Keep stackin' my friends"


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:27 | 3080502 Aurora Ex Machina
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An angry, easily malleable, low information and increasingly desperate and armed population.

Fixed that for you; at this point, the jaws of the trap are closing. Expect FEAR FEAR FEAR from the MSM and the Fringe 3-letter agency sponsored sites such as InfoWars. It's very much easier to "clean house" when the other party starts it, isn't it? Old trick. Anyone expecting the Republican party to exist in its current state in 4 years is somewhat naive, I feel. WASPs? Sure. JesusLand (sorry, the South)? Sure. United Party still? Doubtful.

...Cold Dead Hands. People forget that he starred in the tripartite Armageddon film glory in the 1970's: Solyent Green, Planet of the Apes and The Omega Man.


I sense a common theme there; oh, and wait until everyone realises just who is pulling the strings. Blow-back ain't just for Afganistan, methinks.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:14 | 3080687 kill switch
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You my friend have this situation well confined to it's conclusion...BRAVO

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:46 | 3080308 TideFighter
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Joey Boo-Boo is going to put ya'll back in chains. Joey, you can fight with your chains, I prefer my LaRue 7.62 OBR.    

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:46 | 3080312 virgilcaine
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5 Mill armed US citizens.. largest Militia in the World.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:49 | 3080335 zerotohero
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Fortunately most of them are more like  Barney Fife than Rambo.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:52 | 3080344 buzzsaw99
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Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:53 | 3080352 TideFighter
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Barney Fife, Barney Fife. Where have I heard that name before? Wasn't he just named the gun czar?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:56 | 3080365 The Gooch
Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:16 | 3080451 Zap Powerz
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How many do you think it really takes to totally fuck up the system, cause chaos, shut down the power grid, disrupt supply lines and cause the government to collapse?

There are people that know the answer to this question.  Do you know the answer to this question?


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:20 | 3080477 zerotohero
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sorry what was the question

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:24 | 3080497 KennyG09
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Less than 1%...and you dont even need a gun. Now im going to go back to stuffing twinkies in my face since it will never happen.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:31 | 3080525 NotApplicable
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Umm... those are all things I see the government doing to cause society to collapse. Government isn't going away any time soon, as these actions only spur the demand for more of it in the form of...


And if militant individuals start fucking things up? Well, that just creates the mandate they want without them having to lift a finger (as allegedly evidenced by the recent shooting).

In other words, the only way to win is to choose not to fight, but rather walk away from systemic evil. Like any form of evil, it can only die once we stop supporting it. To fight evil, is to empower it.

Divide and Conquer 101.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:50 | 3080598 Aloha
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Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:19 | 3080471 SilverDOG
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I will smile with contentment, when I hear you starved to death, and there were squirrels and rabbits all around. 

Hope your EBT card get inflationary adjustment. NOT.


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:34 | 3080539 zerotohero
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i don't know about any EBT card but my Visa is maxed buddy

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:08 | 3081432 CoolBeans
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Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:47 | 3080590 Freddie
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Well there are about 5 to 6 million hunting licenses in about 6 states - MI, NY, PA, WS, OH and Texas.   All with scoped rifles usually in .308. 

Florida, GA and AL have at least 2 million CCW holders.   Go for it libs.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:59 | 3080609 The Gooch
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Don't forget the upper Mid-West. !

Most would take that ten-round 3 oh 8 mag with bolt action and a scope any day.

"Where'd that come from, comrade?


edit: oops. You did not forget. MI and WS....


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:18 | 3080917 Freddie
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Pennsylvania will be interesting if the SHTF and the EBT cards fail.  Philly will fan out looking for food.  I doubt the "red neck" hunters in the sticks with .308 scoped rifles will be putting up with too much.   PA has about 600K to 800 K licensed hunters alone.

MI and WS are way up there too.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:54 | 3080827 object_orient
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In this fantasy of yours, are all these rifle-wielding hunters marching in formation against liberal Hollywood gun-grabbers? Are FBI, ATF, etc, staffed full of liberals? Did the millions of gun-owning Americans prevent Ruby Ridge or Waco from happening? By all means, buy all the guns you want. But all the bravado in this thread is ridiculous.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:13 | 3080886 Freddie
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F Hollywood and F TV.   If LA has riots - this time. Good luck.  All the libs were climbing over each other to try to get a gun during Rodney King.   The cops were no where to be found. 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:07 | 3081429 CoolBeans
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Do NOT come crying to any of us when you're running scared.  You deserve what you get in the end.  That was not intended to make an assumption about your sexuality - you obviously are sensitive about that so I wouldn't do that.  

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:41 | 3080565 Overfed
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5 million? The number is probably more like 60 million.

It's only $20/year to join GOA. Imagine if GOA had as many members as NRA.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:47 | 3080316 dirtyfiles
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Igun new Imania

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:50 | 3080318 Overfed
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The most surefire way to make Americans want something more than ever is to make it illegal. Gawd, O'bomb-a and his minions are fuckin' tools.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:10 | 3080424 busted by the b...
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Kneejerk gun and ammo sales increase 4thQ GDP by +0.3798. 

Corporations win again, invest profits in Communist China.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:50 | 3080339 DutchR
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So now do you feel safe already?


World wants to know, mrekans being wound up thiter than a whatchamakalid on dyslexia.


Please buy all you need to feel safe....





thank you

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:14 | 3080438 TSA gropee
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Yeah, that policy worked well for you when Germany overran your borders at the onset of WWII.


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:15 | 3080445's picture

The fellow who wants to take Americans' guns for our own good is the same guy who bombs foreign folks for their own good.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:21 | 3080480 SilverDOG
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+1 x QEinfinity lol

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 22:07 | 3081262 Tourist2008
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Well, I have read through this thread and cannot stop but shake my head in disbelief. That Walmart should be selling guns says to me that you guys are so far out there that there is probably no way back .... best of luck as you "self-defend" each other .....

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:51 | 3080340 Bansters-in-my-...
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Off topic kinda.

Silver is going to be sold out soon too with the sale that is about to come our way.....

So the relation to story is sold out.

Kitcos silver page shows NEGATIVE -5.80% FOR ONE YEAR LEASE RATE.

Every time this happens the fuckers load up and drive the price down .

Check it out on kitcos silver lease rate page and watch for the big sale comming up.


Ps...fuck you Jon.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:00 | 3080381 zerotohero
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Yes silver is going to sell out but it's because the NRA now believes in Vampires and god knows their members are gonna need all the silver bullets they can Walmart??

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:12 | 3080427 Aurora Ex Machina
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Silver bullets are for lycanthropes or witches, not vampires.



If you're going to be snarky, get your mythology straight.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:15 | 3080440 johnQpublic
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didnt he say earlier in the thread that he was stupid as a bag of nails?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:15 | 3080444 zerotohero
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u get the point

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:17 | 3080458's picture

That's it -- the pointy stake is for vampires. You're catching on.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:22 | 3080487 zerotohero
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meh - not enough coffee today

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:24 | 3080495 SilverDOG
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Surely, "pointy" and "wood" are his #1 distraction.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:39 | 3080559 zerotohero
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uhoh gun lover and homophobe - nice combo

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:55 | 3081007 Hacked Economy
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How does homophobia factor into this thread??
"homo" = same
"phobia" = fear

So if someone disagrees with you, you're saying they're therefore afraid of you?  If you don't agree with my choice for my personal car, can I say you're afraid of cars?

Is there something you're not telling us?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:04 | 3081415 CoolBeans
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I think you hit a nerve w/Zero folks and Zero's become defensive about his sexuality.  He brought it up - not you guys.  Then again, he's probably used to bringing it up on his own anyway.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 00:16 | 3081597 zerotohero
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meh i can go both ways my friend - no sensitive

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 00:34 | 3081624 Calmyourself
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Actually you are more accurately a hoplophobe.  Full of logical fallacies as well but a good enema may cure that, I recommend puree of habanero usually works with uptight libs who are sure they are smarter than everyone.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:30 | 3080521 Aurora Ex Machina
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Oooh, snap. Love it.


Reminds me of "The Quick and the Dead"; bleating about "not enough coffee" isn't going to slow those vampires down, now is it?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:38 | 3080553 zerotohero
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Lets all have a round table discussion about barrel length and bore size - THEN I will get a woody

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:19 | 3080707's picture


bore size


You've bored me endlessly. You should be proud.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:22 | 3080720 Aloha
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I do believe it's and it's general concensus here that you are incapable of achieving one.

You're great with the lefty labels, I will give you that. You've absorbed and repeat those so well.

You're here why?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:52 | 3081030 zerotohero
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I salute you sir for the "great" - I am here as you are here - you blow smoke from your pie hole which you believe as do I - isn't that in your constipation - right to free speech - or maybe thats some other country

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:07 | 3081079 Aloha
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No caps lock?


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:01 | 3081409 CoolBeans
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....trolling, trolling, trolling....keep those keyboards rolling....

"Zero" fits perfectly.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 22:59 | 3081405 CoolBeans
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Hopefully sarc.

Otherwise you're still a zero. was just wellin' up inside me.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:19 | 3080467 Swarmee
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My rough read on this was to expect at least $29 Ag again very soon, possibly retest July prices, thanks for the heads up on the lease rates.

DCA is the name of the game, but sales are always welcome.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 21:12 | 3081103 aphlaque_duck
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That looks like a charting glitch to me. Is there another source for this data?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:58 | 3080359 LMAO
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Merikas' war economy and its' death and destruction branch is probably the only industry which is totally oblivious to the concept of channel stuffing.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:55 | 3080360 Xibalba
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rather be carried by six than judged by 12

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 17:59 | 3080376 The Shootist
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Why not be carried by 30?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:59 | 3080627 Freddie
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Why not carry PMag 30's? 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:06 | 3080408 Agent P
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I hope you don't hold your gun backwards too.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:16 | 3080448 johnQpublic
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so you'd rather be dead than defend yourself?



judged by twelve before carried by six ftmfw

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:40 | 3080567 Xibalba
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im not as think as you drunk i am

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:21 | 3080719 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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You can get a good look at a butcher's ass by sticking your head up there. But, wouldn't you rather to take his word for it?

Mr. Brady, Customer: [confused] What?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:01 | 3080391 Waterfallsparkles
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I am not surprised.  What did the Government or the Police do to not only prevent the shooting but to intervene?  I goes to show that the Police cannot be there in time to prevent someone getting killed.  The only way to protect oneself is to be armed as well.

Interesting on Drudge today was Body Armor for Children.  Is that what we have come to?  Those Gun Free zones just seem to attract People trying to do the most damage.  Both the School and the Movie Theater were Gun free zones.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:17 | 3080449 Frank N. Beans
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gun free zone = open season on unarmed humans

way to advertise it

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:01 | 3080638 Freddie
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Columbine - the cops stayed outside until the shooting stopped.  The kids and adults inside were calling on cell phones begging for help.


No more Lock Down BS.  If they hear any shots, pull the fire alarm and everyone runs out of the building.  It would have saved lives in Columbine and CT. 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:46 | 3080801 Waterfallsparkles
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As I understand the Police were ORDERED to STAND DOWN until the Swat team came.  How many Children did we lose on that order?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 22:56 | 3081399 CoolBeans
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When I lived in southern CA - and now in FL - all of the open layout schools mean most of the classrooms have more than one door in/out.  Obviously more space to protect -- but during my time in northern MI, it sort of freaked me that the classrooms had one way in, one way out.  

Heck, homes require egress  -- why not schools?  Kids and staff need to be able to escape if possible.  That and having certain of the staff be properly trained and armed.  One armed officer in a school isn't going to cut it.  A shooter will know to get this fella first and after that - he'll have free reign.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 07:38 | 3082008 Ain't No Sunshine
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Long ago, schools never used to be fenced in....our children are kept in cages.


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:05 | 3080403 MrBoompi
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Our peashooters are no threat to Uncle Sam, regardless of what the sweaty little doomsday preppers hiding in their bunkers think.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:16 | 3080443 lakecity55
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The purpose of the pea shooters is to help commandeer uncle scam's toys if he dares to unilaterally attack USA Citizen persons.


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:17 | 3080454 dwdollar
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Well I guess Obama just wants to take them for shits and giggles then.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:20 | 3080478 bunnyswanson
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If you think China's million-man army is to protect it's borders from invasion, think again.  The Chinese govt knows that it is outnumbered and with a strategy and organization, the people could topple the govt in about 2 hours.  There is strength in numbers.  Same everywhere. 

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:29 | 3080519 SilverDOG
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Many military personnel live here. 

They are armed.

Our ultimate weapon; divide and conquer the oppressor.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:57 | 3080619 Freddie
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Go fly you ****ing drone and piss off.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:24 | 3080723 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Just like dusty AKs, homemade guns and IEDs are no match for the U.S. military. Right . . .

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:06 | 3080404 SRVDisciple
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This surge will be assigned to Holiday Sales and will make the economy look better. Thus confirming everyone's belief that Obama's election was a net positive for the country and the world.


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:19 | 3080470 NotApplicable
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God bless us, everyone!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:55 | 3080615 Freddie
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....including little Tiny Tim.  Santa brought him a SAW.


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:21 | 3080485 toady
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Obama will do ANYTHING to grow the economy.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:05 | 3080405 Waterfallsparkles
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I also think that we have to look at the Drugs we are giving our Children.  Are they making them Psycopaths? Plus all of the Shoot em up video games.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:38 | 3080552 Swarmee
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Damn, all these killers were also eating vegetables, better ban those too.
Lets see, best selling "shoot-em-up" video game of all time is Call of Duty: Black Ops. Sales to date 13.7 million copies.
Battlefield 3 sales: over 8 million copies, 12 million shipped within one month of launch.
Battlefield 2 sales: 2.2 million copies by July 2006
Halo 3 sales: 8.1 million copies by January 2008

The actual numbers completely ruin your premise even at this simple level of investigation. Wy aren't there hundreds of such incidents each year, or thousands even? After all, at least 13.7 million people are playing the most realistic first person shooter to date. 1000 violent gun incidents would be only 0.0073% of that player base alone.

The incidents of gun violence actually track much better with mental illness but its sooooo much easier for you to scapegoat video games, huh? Solving mental health issues is just not as easy as banning games you don't like. I guess it was much nicer back before Atari when no one ever massacred anyone with guns.....

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:48 | 3080808 Waterfallsparkles
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Add those shot em up games with anit Psycotic Drugs and you have a disaster waiting to happen.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 10:03 | 3082282 Swarmee
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Both of which have been available to the general population for over a decade and yet, where is your proof?

Are you here to argue that 0.0073% or less is statistically significant? I'll enjoy reading that mathematical demonstration.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:07 | 3080411 A Lunatic
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For the low, low price of only $19.95 (payable in silver eagles) I am offering boat rides to the tragic 'accidental loss of weaponry' location of your choosing.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:55 | 3080614 krispkritter
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Row, row, row your weapons gently under the stream, scarily, scarily, scarily, scarily gun control is Obama's wet-dream...

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:38 | 3081501 Angus McHugepenis
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Now I'm wondering who is more twisted, you or O'Barecrack. That was a great play on the words of the song we all learned in kindergarten. +1

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:09 | 3080418 Agent P
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But...but...this would suggest that all the media reports I've been hearing that Americans want these weapons banned are false.  I just can't make sense of this.  Hopefully the TV will tell me what to do.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:18 | 3080457 toady
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The first thing I thought when they said they were stopping sales was, 'right, they didn't sell them all, they are 'stopping sales"

Since when has anyone with the hottest product at any given time just stopped selling it?

More likely they are selling them for double the price somewhere less visible.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:13 | 3080434 Rainman
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Them long dead Mayans must be pissing themselfs laughin at this shit. 32 hours to go.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 02:43 | 3081784 Angus McHugepenis
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I'd be laughing too if I was a dead guy with a calendar and a sense of humor that carried over a few years.

Fuck it, I'm going to go twist up some BC bud and forget about the dead guys and calendars. Wake me on the 22nd.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:16 | 3080447 chet
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De tik ur grnz!!!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:18 | 3080453 A. Magnus
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"Yes silver is going to sell out but it's because the NRA now believes in Vampires and god knows their members are gonna need all the silver bullets they can Walmart??"

Hey dipshit, silver bullets are for Werewolves, garlic  and wooden stakes are for vampires. Got it? Good. Let's hope you pay better attention to your cultural history than you do to the efficacy of popular firearms designs...

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:19 | 3080469 A Lunatic
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So what you are saying is that I need to pick up a crossbow as well..........

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:44 | 3080578 lakecity55
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I don't know anyone personally, but I have heard a lot of guys are bow shooting so as to silently kill Blue Helmets and then take their guns.

But, I'm sure all Americans will welcome our UN overlords, so I think it's just a rumor.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 23:33 | 3081485 Angus McHugepenis
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All you bow hunters... search YouTube for "sling bows". The vids show you how to modify a simple slingshot into a device that uses both arrows and slingshot loads. It's a fraction of the cost of a crossbow and much lighter, more compact, and dual purpose.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 22:50 | 3081386 CoolBeans
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I'd love a crossbow...zombies can't hear 'em.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:20 | 3080461 alangreedspank
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I, for one, don't think massive sales of firearm are a 'problem' being exacerbated. Gun control nuts should, but they are simply too illogical to understand this is working against their interest and prefer to simply chuckle at these news and call Americans 'stupid' and 'fat'.

One thing they don't get is that gun control might decrease the ammount of guns in society, but it also concentrates the remaining of them in the state's gun locker.

What 'til squads of ICE, TSA, BATF, etc. drugged out of their minds on SSRIs start pulling that Newtown shit. Now you'll know what's massacre.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:55 | 3080613 Aloha
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Arrow up for the comment post and the best damn avatar I've ever seen.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:18 | 3080463 Freddie
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Guns are outselling iPads and iPhone 5s.  LOL! 

F you Libs!  F TV and F Hollywood who will disarm you in a heartbneat.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:23 | 3080489 devo
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I've been waiting 7 weeks for a C&R permit. Any idea if there's a logjam on these, or is 7 weeks normal?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:35 | 3080766 Freddie
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What state?  Ohio?  Govt workers doing paperwork.  Good luck.  FL has been backed up for years and just went over 1 million CCWs.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:36 | 3080776 devo
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California. They cashed my check after just a week, so I know they received the application. I heard, on forums, that it should only be a 30 day wait.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 20:27 | 3080937 Freddie
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My sympathies.  Hmmm...CA.  You would not work at Mutato Music would you?   Never mind - don't answer that.  Me and me mates are big fans.  Was waiting at the store many years ago for the first album.

I saw on another site about San Bernadino's bankruptcy and CALPERS.  I was not aware that CALPERS was charging cities an extra premium for stock/bond losses for 2008.   Meanwhile - the pensions are still pegging the benchmark return for pensions at 8+%.

CALPERS is another thing bleeding these cities dry.  Total madness.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 22:49 | 3081380 CoolBeans
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Wait until the 6 week point (normal processing time) then you might want to politely call in for a status.  We were glad we called after 2 months because the person said a deficiency letter was mailed to us two weeks prior (coincidence that neither of us received those letters?).  It was just the fingerprints (they changed their mind and asked for ink prints) -- we took the verbal info and ran into the police station....the sherriff said they were told not to do them anymore - they wanted digital.  AAARGH...huge runaround.  We politely asked them to print us anyway -- and of course that's what the state wanted.

We ended up making 4-5 very polite requests for statuses and the CCW staff was nice enough - even if they had to say it was still pending - they at least could tell us when the application was complete and ready for the approval stamp.  

Good luck to you!

PS:  Do CA government offices still close down on certain Fridays due to budget issues?  That caused huge backlogs in the securities arena (registrations).  


Wed, 12/19/2012 - 22:44 | 3081367 CoolBeans
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FL recently took about 5 months -- mostly administrative issues on their end....they wanted digital fingerprints, then no digital prints, then ink - then due to one or more illegible prints - reprints requested.  Each trip for prints was over 40 miles roundtrip but we completed and returned each package within 24-72 hours and still a log jam.  It's like we went back to the bottom of the pile each time.  

We started to feel that perhaps the state folks were lagging because they didn't want to issue CCWs all of a sudden as others were complaining.  But, after those 5 long months -  Finally approved and card arrived.  We had to celebrate because of all the run-around.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:25 | 3080498 TheObsoleteMan
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Problem is, these sales are "on paper", so the feds will know where to go when confiscation begins. These purchases should have been made long before now, and off paper. Bet the farm on this: Private sales between individuals will very soon be a thing of the past.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:27 | 3080507 devo
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We're going to see white, suburban males going into the inner city to buy guns off the record. The government will not stop purchases, they'll just make them more dangerous, more violent, etc.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:34 | 3080536 SilverDOG
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Advertise for sale and keep copy of advertisement.

Cash sale to Mr X.

What was his name?

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:36 | 3080542 devo
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Or just report it stolen.

(I'm joking of course,  Big Brother, you fucking creep).

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:27 | 3080509 ZeroAvatar
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Egypt:  Fighting against each other over Morsi.


Syria: Fighting each other over Assad.


USA:  Fighting each other over Obamao.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:35 | 3080545 Aurora Ex Machina
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Common theme:


They're all culture wars, the bloodiest type of intercine conflict.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:20 | 3080709 ZeroAvatar
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Common theme:  Fighting EACH OTHER!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:25 | 3080728 Aurora Ex Machina
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I'm a muppet:

Mis-spelt: Internecine. Balls.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 01:15 | 3081694 The Joker
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I think Egypt is fighting against tyranny isn't it?  Morsi tried some take over shit and they aren't standing for it.  Ah, to be a new fresh democracy and actually pay attention and care about what your leaders are doing.  If only Americans had half the heart.

America:  yeah, pretty much fighting with each other about stupid shit like abortion and gay rights, spending vs taxing, all while the foxes are guarding the henhouse.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:36 | 3080550 Hannibal
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Wow,..isn't AmerIca great!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:39 | 3080554 Billy Shears
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All banning guns does is declare open season on unarmed law-abiding citizens...this scares the hell out of most people, even those first-time, brand-spankin' new, recently acquired a firearm owners!

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:42 | 3080569 PFO
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RE: Secession and other political tom-foolery:

Yah don't need to leave the USA, just the US government!

Stop using their socialist insecurity number - federal reserve notes - banks - courts - politicians - media - schools, etc and use your God-given mind instead.

There's plenty-o-land out there for vittles and critters and space to raise a big happy family, even in major cities of the rust-belt [Just toured Detroit - Toledo - South Bend]

Go and get it . . .

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 19:33 | 3080762 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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so you barter or produce everything you need? Sounds nice, but did you take all your own food with you on your road trip? I'm not trying to be condescending - it just seems a bit out of reach.

Wed, 12/19/2012 - 18:44 | 3080577 Hannibal
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2nd Ammendment

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

4hth ammnetment

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized".


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