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Art Cashin On Assault Weapons, Mental Health, And Video Games

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We have discussed the alternate views of the terrible events that occurred in Connecticut from mental health to video games (Adam Lanza obsessively played "Call of Duty"), as opposed to simply attacking assault weapons. All, we are sure, have a share in the blame for this monstrosity but UBS' Art Cashin opines on the influence of video games suggesting this needs to be examined more closely. It seems, judging from FTC and FCC 'discussion drafts' that this is indeed on its way. The picture, however common-sensically desensitized the argument is, remains unclear as Bloomberg reports from an industry study: "We can’t find any evidence to support this idea that exposure to video-game violence contributes in any way to support the idea that these types of games or movies or TV shows are a contributing factor, it doesn’t need to be studied again."

Via Art Cashin:

Assault Weapons, Mental Health And Video Games – In the wake of the Connecticut massacre much has been said about the first two items listed above. We have long felt that the influence of video games needs to be examined. It looks like that may be on the way according to an article in Politico:

 

In the wake of the Newtown shootings, Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller introduced a bill Tuesday that would have the National Academy of Sciences examine any link between violent video games and media, and violent acts by children, industry sources say.

 

According to a copy of the “discussion draft” obtained by POLITICO, the legislation directs the Federal Trade Commission and the Federal Communications Commission to make “appropriate arrangements” with the NAS to enable the study.

 

“Recent court decisions demonstrate that some people still do not get it,” Rockefeller said in a statement. “They believe that violent video games are no more dangerous to young minds than classic literature or Saturday morning cartoons. Parents, pediatricians and psychologists know better. These court decisions show we need to do more and explore ways Congress can lay additional groundwork on this issue. This report will be a critical resource in this process. I call on my colleagues to join me in passing this important legislation quickly.”

 

In particular, the draft bill wants the NAS to explore “whether current or emerging characteristics of video games have a unique impact on children, considering in particular video games’ interactive nature and the extraordinarily personal and vivid way violence might be portrayed in such video games.”

 

There have been reports that Adam Lanza obsessively played “Call of Duty” and “Starcraft” before he went on a shooting rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., last Friday.

 

We look forward to the report and discussion.

And Via Bloomberg, the picture is not as clear as many would hope.

We can’t find any evidence to support this idea that exposure to video-game violence contributes in any way to support the idea that these types of games or movies or TV shows are a contributing factor,” Ferguson said. “It doesn’t need to be studied again.”

 

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Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:25 | 3082596 francis_sawyer
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Art Cashin ~ Mental Health Expert...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:29 | 3082606 Flakmeister
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Have to agree with you..

When the fuck did Art Cashin become an expert on any of this...

In the ever encroaching universe of false balances, when everybody opinion is important, nobody's is....

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:31 | 3082617 GetZeeGold
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Don't knock Art. I had a full session with him.....came away feeling much better. Who knew?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:33 | 3082625 Flakmeister
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And if some by some chance, he ends up being correct, BFD... Even a blind squirrel stumbles on a nut now and again...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:52 | 3082727 Stackers
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I grew up before first person shooter video games and we played "war", "cops and robbers" had bottle rocket fights and threw lawn darts at each other. I dont think video games are the problem. I think the problem is all the psychotropic mind altering medications we are stuffing down our kids throats to turn them into good little sheeple.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:59 | 3082761 kridkrid
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I wish I could say that it is amazing to me how little press this mood altering prescription drug addiction in our youth gets, but it isn't amazing, at all.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:21 | 3082894 ElvisDog
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Exactly. Almost every one of those drugs lists depression, thoughts of suicide, etc. as their side effects, and yet heaven forbid that Sen. Rockefeller or the his ilk make any mention of limiting the availability of those drugs to the public. Wouldn't want to put a damper on the revenue streams of Big Pharma.

And yet, I put most of the blame on the widespread use of those drugs on kids squarely on their parents. They have the final say-so as to whether they give those dangerous drugs to their children. There was a time when someone suggested putting one of my children on ADHD medication (Ritalin if I remember). "No way in Hell" was my response and that was that. Now he's in High School, is perfectly normal (as normal as a teenage boy can be), and is an honor student. So "Fuck You" Big Pharma.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:26 | 3082919 samcontrol
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HERE IN BARILOCHE VERY FEW GUNS , POLICE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE GUNS, SUPERMARKETS BEING SACKED AS I WRITE THIS
IT's THE WILD WEST ! NO GUNS . NO DEAD. FULL RIOT NO DEAD .

TYLERS'. thoughts on it coming soon....

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:50 | 3083050 Spirit Of Truth
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The Newtown CT shooting, while tragic, is a distraction from what may soon prove to be the ultimate market moving news of the day.

What's this about?

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2012/12/whats-really-going-on-in-sy...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:24 | 3083207 samcontrol
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how can i get thumbs down if it is not even an opinion?

Or if i say , police battled rioters with hockey sticks and lost , gives me thumbs down..?

Same situation in LA as i witnessed today would of left at least twenty dead. that is an opinon ....
www.anbariloche.com.ar

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:55 | 3083327 Matt
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Or maybe people would be less likely to riot or loot stores if the store owners had guns and the right to use them. Maybe not though, and maybe a bunch of looters would be dead.

I think the down votes for your first post has more to do with all caps and the general writing style of someone trying to bait people into reading your personal blog. People hate that crap.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:13 | 3085394 Axenolith
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Whether or not you end up dead in a riot, or looting spree, or just an ordinary riot is irrelivent.  If you are, say 60, or 65, and you have everything you ever worked for, toiled, put your heart into, taken, or burned stolen, it's nearly the same as having a bullet put in your head.  The offender has just negated most of your life, surely in any instance where you weren't "insured", but even in that case, minutes, hours, days, of OTHER peoples lives were stolen to make the core victims losses "good". 

When we get up to nation level, and we're someplace like the U.S., the status quo is to take those minutes of everyones productive life time and redistribute them at a rate just low enough to keep them from revolting.  With the banking system as it is, they forestall that "theft" out far enough that so far everyone hasn't gotten a clue yet, or they're on the receiving end and don't care about the theft of others lives.

Make NO mistake about it, when you take from one to do something, you've taken X amount of time from their life.  TO a certain extent, most will accept that, for defense, or common things like bridges etc... (which could be a negotiated transaction for all if there was a private entity who built X and charged Y for it).  When you begin to loot loot from one, to satisfy your desires for power, or wealth, you rob them of life as surely as if you cut their hamstring, or if it's everything and they're old, if you put a bullet in their skull.  They will never get those minutes, hours, days, back that they put into it.  Only if they have a CHOICE to trade whatever medium they've decided their time is worth for something is it a "fair trade".

The elite have gotten to a point where they have, on the balance sheets of money/power, taken essentially all of todays PRODUCTIVE living, and most if not all of the next 1 or 2 generations of potential PRODUCTIVE living peoples, time value of LIFE.  A lot don't sweat it because they are able to fulfill their basest desires fairly cheaply and could give 2 shits, but there is a large and growing number who will recognize this theft and eventually come out with a resounding THIS WILL NOT STAND!

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:27 | 3082921 Texas Ginslinger
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Am curious to know how many readers here play first person shoot-em-up video games.

Easy way to find out.

Give me a down vote it you regularly play first person shoot-em-up video games.

Give me an up vote if you don't play, or quit playing.

 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:32 | 3083245 WillyGroper
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Does bin Laden liquor count?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:38 | 3085479 Axenolith
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I play BBC2 fairly regularly, a lot mainly at the moment because of novelty, but it, and COD, are also multiplayer games.  You are in there with other people, and they all know it's a game.  I've yet to notice any "wierdos", and they are bar none excellent simulators for high intensity combat environments, if anything the first thing I thought was "Woa, in real life in this shit, you don't get a "re-spawn"...

The first time I went into a BBC2 server, I just froze up.  3 is already out with more realism, but for me, it was just "holy crap, games are this real now???"  I got knifed right away...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:32 | 3082959 HobbyFarmer
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Thumbs up for the posters above.  Growing up we had bottle rocket wars, dart gun wars, and at one crazy point, BB gun wars.  This was prior to paint ball guns.

I think the idea of shooting games isn't the problem so much as the pharmacueticals the kids are consuming. 

Grew up around always loaded shotguns (for the random bears/moose/wolves in Alaska).  Never once considered picking it up to hurt another human, although a couple of late nights I returned to a locked door and my father cycling the shotgun before I was able to identify myself.

Anyway, 7 billion people on this planet.  Add in all sorts of drugs thought of as 'modern medicine' and you're going to see outliers.

Not sure the solution....but am 100% certain I am unwilling to disarm myself because of other people's actions.  If anything else, it reinforces my desire to remain an armed freeman.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:44 | 3083019 AgShaman
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Those bottle rocket and bb gun wars were the greatest.

We played "tag" in a monster grove of willow trees, can't believe nobody fell to their death

Thanks for the walk down memory lane.

These video gamer kids nowadays are such pussies

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:29 | 3083465 Panafrican Funk...
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For those wanting some more info on what this kid was likely experiencing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akathisia

In addition to SSRIs, the abnormally high concentration of glutamates (which can be found in all manner of franken-shit in our food; aspartame is an "act alike" as well) can aggrevate the problem.  NMDA glutamate receptors in our brain help direct norepinephrine levels.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norepinephrine#By_indication

 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:43 | 3083509 TN Jed
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Yup, and I still have the Red Ryder marks to prove it! 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:13 | 3083406 Ignatius
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Turned it down for my son.

Imagine a 11 year old that had more on his mind than sitting quietly, face forward with rapt attention for the historical theories like Manifest Destiny, and such.  Yes, we agreed, he has a problem....

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:46 | 3083810 DRT RD
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Ritalin is an evil tool.  I was prescribed that stuff when I was 8 in 1985.  Started blowing it when I was 16,drinking beer with some boarding school boys.  At 26 my life was a wreck, and I didn't know whether to shit or go blind.  Along the way there was prozac(that didn't work too well), then came the insidious "psych" drugs, zeprexz, trileptal, stratera, then the bastards tried to add seroquel when I asked if I could quit all the meds.  Ole doc said I would be in pine box if I came off my meds.  I told him to fuck off.  Took almost 9 months to get a full night sleep, but I haven't taken any meds in close to 8 years.  Do not need them.  Went back to state university, that I paid for in cash, and received an MBA.  Small progrm but was also married with 2 kids, made all A's and 2 B's. Turns out I didn't need meds just needed to grow the fuck up!

 

When I got off all the meds, I started to wake up to the financial and political madness that I had missed.  For almost 20 years I was a zombie and didn't even know it.  Today life is good and my wife and I have decided that our daughters will not take "psych" meds under any circumstances.

 

Drt

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:42 | 3085492 Axenolith
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Thanks for coming out and telling that, and thanks to God you got "out".  I hope you and you'rs prosper in the future, and have a Merry Christmas.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 17:45 | 3084162 Lore
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ElvisDog: "I put most of the blame on the widespread use of those drugs on kids squarely on their parents. They have the final say-so as to whether they give those dangerous drugs to their children."

Fascinating. Same story here. Is your child bored and misbehaving?  Dope the hell out of him and protect shitty teachers.  The public "Education System" is terrible for anyone who dares to think differently, excel, or demonstrate leadership potential. 

It's the same in "Health Care" (hahaha).  I could tell you some horror stories from Canada.  Christmas morning, you knock out all the patients with Codeine to ensure a quiet shift.  Families show up to visit and find their loved ones 'blotto.' 

I've seen otherwise healthy patients DIE from being kept stoned by nurses for days on end.  The stats for overmedication and unnecessary medication must be horrific.

Here's a bigger joke. Canadian cities have wagons that drive around downtown so nurses can deliver more narcs to all the street people. They call it "HARM REDUCTION." (hahahahaha)

And the Sixpacks call it a triumph when marijuana gets legalized. Huxley was right!  The people EMBRACE their enslavement.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 04:29 | 3086036 Ar-Pharazôn
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i started to see things much differently when i started smoking weed.

 

putting weed with drugs for psycopath is not the case

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:27 | 3082926 redpill
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Once again people trying to assign rational causes to irrational acts.  Personally I find ultra-violent and ultra-realistic video games tasteless, but obviously millions of adults play these games all the time without going on shooting rampages.  Some have even theorized that it provides an outlet and could actually reduce real world violence.

Regardless, that was not the cause here.  The cause was this guy's mental illness, and you're never going to make sense out of his mindset because it makes none. 

 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:44 | 3083003 squib
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And furthermore...Sociopathy/Psychopathy cannot be 'fixed'. A psycho/sociopath cannot be cured or rehabilitated. They do not have emotions and feelings like we do (their brain is permanently 'broken'), this is why they are able to do the horrible things they do...and why you just can't understand it. When your friends/family and media/society ask 'why?', it really is that simple, that psycho/socios do not have the thing in their brain to stop them from harming humans/animals.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:49 | 3083047 Ferrari
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Respectfully I suggest not the cause, but a significant contributing factor. I'm reminded of the opening scene in the book, Generation Kill, where the Marines tear through a village in their humvees, guns blazing. Once through, one gunner exclaims, "That was awsome. Just like Grand Theft Auto." In Generation Kill, Evan Wright discusses the problem the US military had in WWII with very well trained troops, paratroopers, initiially having difficulty firing on the enemy, even when fired upon. Killing is an unnatural act, and there's a heafty threshold to cross. The Pentagon identified this as a problem to solve, and by some accounts, video games have been part of their solution. Wright & Lt. Frick in GK were both astounded how the  young Marines, many having never heard a shot fired in action, lit the enemy up without flinching. This is a complex can of shit, but I believe violent video games do play a significant role.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:58 | 3083103 malikai
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You're trying to assign rationality to it.

Video games may make it easier for sane people to kill in war. There could be merit to that.

But it does not apply to the insane.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:59 | 3083113 Thisson
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Yes, games do act as virtual training, but they are not the cause of the behavior.  This has all been studied extensively.  See www.killology.com

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:23 | 3082901 Terminus C
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Back then they blamed it on Dungeons and Dragons RPG. Stupid people look for simple solutions to complex issues. Scapegoating is a time tested tool of idiots and buffoons, Cashin has demonstrated buffoonery.

Video games don't make people want to kill, any more than access to guns or knives does.

Why are we focusing on small time killers when real, demonstrable psychopaths are running the planet?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:32 | 3082956 Thisson
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I agree with you 100% that video games are not the causal issue; however, for those who have already decided to engage in violent behavior, video games can be a form of training.

That being said, I don't think we should even think about trying to ban video games.  I think this is a mental health issue.

P.S. msg me if you want to play Black Ops 2 on PS3 :-)

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:41 | 3082998 Terminus C
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Playing Mechwarrior Online atm.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:47 | 3083036 odatruf
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I blame Ozzy.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:34 | 3083260 WillyGroper
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Harriet too.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:34 | 3083262 Ned Zeppelin
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You got it - no difference when there was the parade to stamp our heavy metal as encouraging teen suicide.

In this case, few are questioning the mother: she kept loaded and extremely lethal firearms readily available to her son who was known to be crazy.  If mom had exercisd simple, adult common sense, she would have observed rule no. 1 of firarms: keep out of reach of children, and this would not have happened. 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:14 | 3083169 malikai
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My favorite was how Marilyn Manson caused Columbine.

While I deplore most of his films, Moore's interview of MM in Bowling for Columbine was spot-on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYApo2d8o_A&feature=player_detailpage#t=79s

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 17:34 | 3084160 Cathartes Aura
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but there is a link between video games and the military,

"The Army takes this seriously," Stephens said of PEO-STRI and its Army gaming unit, which will handle military video game requirements. "We own gaming for the Army — from requirements through procurement," he said.

Game development has become a multibillion-dollar industry in recent years, with large game studios employing thousands of developers and sales that compete with Hollywood’s blockbusters.

"We want to take advantage of that, but we don’t have the intent to become a competitor with the commercial gaming industry," Stephens said. "We don’t have the intent or capability to be a commercial game house."

Instead, the Army gaming unit will watch trends in the industry and identify technology that can be used for military training, he said.

The need for video games as training aids was judged so great that the Army wanted to get products out to units before the funding came online.

In addition to the $50 million, the Army gaming unit has an undisclosed additional budget to purchase a state-of-the-art commercial video game system that will be fielded for training in February.

http://www.stripes.com/news/not-playing-around-army-to-invest-50m-in-com...

that was from 2008, so you know it's been in the planning for a long while. . . add to that the experi-Mental meds handed out by the fistful, and you may want to make the correlation as to just what kind of person the military is looking for.

and the sort of people they're dealing with now?

Investigation finds significant drug use, party culture at Naval Academy

 

Reported sex assaults spike at military academies

 

both of those stories are dated this week, as is this, all from the same site,

The holiday season is a bittersweet time to be a gamer — and especially a game reviewer. Stars and Stripes gamers had their hands full with all of the AAA goodness we expect for this time of year, but no matter how much holiday cheer you can muster, there’s never enough time to play it all.

http://www.stripes.com/blogs/good-game/good-game-1.115768/holiday-rush-1...

the threads of the military cultural fabric are worth looking at, if you care enough to make the effort. . .

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:22 | 3083200 aerojet
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I disagree--I think kids playing first person shooter games for hours and hours on end warps their reality because the games are so realistic in certain ways.  And the games all detach the true ugliness and reality of killing another human--it's like it is a psychopath simulator and your ass isn't on the line at all.  The victims don't cry in pain or scream for their mothers while bleeding out in a muddy ditch.  You don't get brain matter and bodily fluids splattered on you when the man you just shared girlfriend photos with dies right beside you.  These games definitely cheapen the act of killing, all the while training kids not only in the basic fundamentals of shooting people, but also that there is no cost to the act--it completely removes emotion and morality.

If I were to design a game like that, if your player got shot, the game would instantly delete itself from your hard disk along with the rest of the operating system and stripe the hard disk on its way down so that it would have to be low-level formatted just to be usable again.  And if there's a programmatic way to smoke the CPU, I'd do that, too. 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:04 | 3083366 Matt
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I don't think you understand the point of Games. Realism is not at all what it is about. Could you imagine how boring Farmville would be if it was 100% realistic, down to time scale? 

They are games, not simulators. They are rated 18+ when applicable for a reason. Unless you want to make rules that people below a certain threshold of intelligence or mental health are not able to buy adult rated games, and have to get someone else to buy them. Which would mean disclosing your intelligence and mental health to the clerk at GameStop.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:28 | 3083232 WillyGroper
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Once again, this is how education has been monitzed. For a kid that excels, very little federal money is given to the school. If said child is "Special Needs" the school gets more federal money. I think it would be safe to assume that any kid on these poisons would be considered special needs. 

My state's school superintendant opened up the first charter school here. Why, $$$$$$. Now that she's in a position of power, she's doing everything she can to block the opening of anyone wanting to open a charter school. 

The rot is so thick I cannot breath. 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:29 | 3083740 FubarNation
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Hardly anyone talks about the fucking SSRI's.  it is a travesty and is poisoning our society.

How the fuck did people 'cope' with life before Prozac?

Oh ya the sucked it up and didn't cry about it forever.

Life is hard.  Ask the billions of people around the globe who struggle to partially fill their bellies everyday.

Get a grip on reality you fucking whiners.

 

Rant over.   Thanks for listening.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:00 | 3082766 13thWarrior
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Without drugs it is not possible.

The cult of Assasins aka Hashishins (from Hashish drug) invented behaviour modification techniques using drugs. Modern days CIAs are using their techniques.

Predictive programming with games might be just for masses but real assasins are given drugs.

 

Here is the popular game with Airport massacre https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=SG&hl=en-GB&v=8NMnnMRWJ-0 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:09 | 3082833 LookingForTruth
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"There is no evidence that video games lead to acts of violence"

 

There is also no evidence that gun bans lead to less crime, but we'll go and try gun bans again and again.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:15 | 3082869 Freddie
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Kids on these drugs with endless video game playing plus violent Tarantino type crap sucks.  This is not healthy for kids to play these games every night.

Screw Hollywood, TV and video games.  This scum will disarm you in a second.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:33 | 3082965 Thisson
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The idea of banning these video games because the killers played video games is foolish.  They may as well try to ban masturbation, since all of these killers did that too, I'm sure.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:47 | 3083040 LookingForTruth
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Hmmm, maybe they did not masterbate, and that could be the problem.  Afterall, masterbation is a healthy, natural way to relieve tension and stress.  Maybe the good doctors could stop prescribing drugs and start prescribing masterbation. 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:37 | 3083766 DanDaley
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Speaking of big pharma, check out ssristories.com for close to 5,000 stories of murder and mayhem caused by people on SSRI antidepressants.  This probably has more to do with these mass murders than any other single thing.  

 

Question: Why is it that teenagers went for generations (with probably greater access to firearms than now -even bringing guns to school for show and tell back in the 50s and 60s) but never went on murder rampages until prozac and other SSRIs became commonplace?  Hmmmm...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 17:44 | 3084201 Cathartes Aura
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perpetual war(riors). . .

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:45 | 3083021 taxpayer102
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@Freddie

"The first two years of your child’s life are especially important in the growth and development of his/her brain. During this time, children need positive interaction with other children and adults. This is especially true at younger ages, when learning to talk and play with others is so important.

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) discourages TV and other media use by children younger than 2 years and encourages interactive play.

For older children, total entertainment screen time should be limited to less than 1 to 2 hours per day of educational, nonviolent programs, which should be supervised by parents or other responsible adults in the home."

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:30 | 3083240 Kinskian
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@Freddie

The New York - Hollywood media masters understand the power they control.

Negative portrayals of blacks and jews are not permitted because it's recognized that this would result in increasing negative views of these groups among members of the viewing audience.

Likewise, the entertainment industry has admitted that cigarette smoking in films and television has a negative influence on society and leads to increased cigarette smoking.

But when it supports their agenda, they deny that their media have any influence on behavior.

Violence, promiscuity, homosexuality, drug use, anti-traditional Americanism, anti-Christianity and race-mixing are among the themes constantly promoted in their media and we see the results reflected in our society.

 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:32 | 3082622 ParkAveFlasher
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I would prefer "Art Cashin On Gin Soaking, Prime Rib Manipulation, and Patting Asses of Yankee Stadium Hostesses"

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:34 | 3082629 Flakmeister
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Yes, he is well qualified in that regard...

What next, Kobe Bryant on Big Bang nucleosynthesis?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:40 | 3082658 otto skorzeny
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Kobe is more of an expert on sodomizing white girls

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:45 | 3082703 Flakmeister
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Just because he has seen a few "White Holes" doesn't make him a cosmologist...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:08 | 3084274 RockyRacoon
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Cashin not qualified to weigh in on the topic?  Have you perused the comments here on the topic?  Lotsa armchair psychiatrists!  Qualification isn't the point, having an opinion is.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:36 | 3082635 Mercury
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Sometimes common sense trumps "expertise."

It’s the “experts that have been successful in “mainstreaming” the severely mentally ill and putting a huge percentage of perfectly normal adolescent boys on psycho-active prescription drugs.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:44 | 3082693 Flakmeister
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And why don;t you examine some of those experts ties to Big Pharma...

Sort of like GW deniers, dig deep enough and essentially every one of them has ties to Fossil fuels... Whodathunkit...

Hell Mike Ridley who just penned a mendacious OpEd for the WSJ, from the bottom of the article

Mr. Ridley writes the Mind and Matter column in The Wall Street Journal and has written on climate issues for various publications for 25 years. His family leases land for coal mining in northern England, on a project that will cease in five years.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:54 | 3082735 Mercury
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Good question...but you're the one dumping on Art instead. Examine away.

And you don't have to have ties to the energy industry to wish that Al Gore and his army  of unelected, unaccountable technocrats would take their shitty, "green" lightbulbs and shove them up their ass.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:29 | 3082934 Flakmeister
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Bad analogy....

Al is only a messenger, he ain't *the* expert or even *an* expert. Sorry if you don't like what he says...why don;t you take it up with him...

 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:25 | 3082915 trav777
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but...the GW pumpers don't have ANY ties to "green energy," right?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:30 | 3082945 Flakmeister
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And not all mental health experts have ties to big Pharma, what is your point?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:45 | 3083022 trav777
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my point is that you're not being rational. 

Every mental health expert has some sort of tie to big pharma.  If you "dig deep enough," you'd be surprised what you can find, you know, when you're hellbent on it.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:19 | 3083180 Flakmeister
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What fraction of climate scientists have ties to Green Energy? i.e. directly recieve funding or renumeration, e.g. honoraria for talks or fees for services rendered (expert witness). Point me to the green equivalent of the Heartland Institute that kicks back money to scientists. Go ahead show me *any* leading climate scientist with such egregious monetary ties to a "charitable" organization...

If anyone like Michael Mann recieved funds from such sources, then you might have a real, not manufactured Climategate....

Whereas Lindzen, Spencer, Soon, Curry etc... all have had ties to fossil fuels....

No Trav, I am being very fucking rational...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:20 | 3083186 malikai
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Where do they get their research funding from?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:44 | 3083248 Flakmeister
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Research grants come from various funding agencies....

Salaries are paid by host academic institutions, typical tenured Associated Professor will pull down $60-75 K depending on the institution adn experience, full professors up to $125 K or so... Public institutions, i.e. state schools, rank near the bottom. private ones tend to be higher... Seniormost scientists at government agencies pull down low 6 figures unless they have significant administrative repsonsibilities, then $200 K is possible...

Edit: One component of compensation is summer salary, paid out of the grant but capped at the the relevant  University pay scale. Research funds are administered by the University. The above numbers include the "summer salary" component.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:29 | 3083741 trav777
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LOL....you're just not "digging deep enough" to find what it is you want to find.

I love this "have had ties."  Not even present tense any longer?

I repeat my assertion.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 17:59 | 3084242 Flakmeister
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Trav, if Michael Mann or anyone of his stature and visibility had behaved in a less than completely upstanding manner, do you think for a minute that right wing media would not be broadcasting it 24/7...

And you don't think that they have people paid to dig?

C'mon, and you are one of the more rational ones here...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:48 | 3083308 tbone654
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Trav is right on as usual...

My wife was taking so much medication it was incredible...  She would see one med "pusher" once a quarter... He would talk to her for 15 minutes and make a judgement from that little input to increase or decrease the meds...  But he wouldn't talk to me...  He couldn't by law even if she would approve...  but said 70% of women in this country are on some form of anti-depression medication, and the other 30% should be...  His perspective fills his own pockets...

My brother stopped taking his meds, we couldn't do anything about it but try to have him committed to force him back on... he was over 18 so we had no other rights...  We tricked the system, and now he's forced to be back on his meds...  He was telling people he helped me bury bodies that I killed in baggies...  That he was a part of the covert war in Holland in 1996...  And we couldn't do anything if he didn't want us too...

My Nephew thinks he's responsible for the "DOME" over all of chicago...  He turned 18 within the past 2 years, and therefore his mother has no rights to his medical records...  He's violent and her only option is to have him committed...  She has no rights and her only purpose is to pay his bills or turn him out into the street, because the system requires it...

Get the theme?  In an effort to protect the rights of the mentally ill, this country will make it impossible for caregivers to get the medication someone needs OR get them off of medication that holds them down...

Now imagine all this under "single payer/single decider" ...  Which has nothing to do with guns or video games...  EXPECT MORE VIOLENCE from the unintended consequences of the acts of the STUPID...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:02 | 3084255 Cathartes Aura
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it's important to hear from people with experience of these druggings, of how insidious they are culturally.

the med-pushers all have an agenda, and incentives from BigPharma - they've been trained to see the world in a specific way, and address what they see in a specific way.

anyone experiencing "anxiety" or "depression" should be encouraged to talk about their reasoning - I'm not referencing paranoia or "monsters" - but if there are situations in ones life that are causing inner distress, addressing those situations is important - not medicating the mind/body reactions, those are our early warning signals at work, in many cases.

so many people feel isolated, culturally and otherwise, in amrka - and elsewhere, yes, but amrka is so intent on cultural conformity, and reacting against anything not immediately recognisable as "normal" - this insistence on identikit types is killing people. . .

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 01:36 | 3085842 blunderdog
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This is one of those "opinion" thingies, right?  There's no information out there?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:47 | 3083034 trav777
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we're already there..."this is my OPINION."  IOW, it cannot be wrong if it's an opinion.

everyone expects instant affirmation for everything...Facebook Generation.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:27 | 3083223 booboo
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Perhaps raising well rounded informed and thoughtful children allows you more lattitude then some twenty something single and sterile loud mouth intertube warrior still living on his mothers nickle.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:08 | 3082685 LongSoupLine
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Fuck you Cashin!

 

How many lives has your fucking financial terrorist bank, UBS, ruined you fucking imbibed piece of shit.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:43 | 3082690 Stoploss
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We can’t find any evidence to support this idea that exposure to video-game violence contributes in any way to support the idea that these types of games or movies or TV shows are a contributing factor,” Ferguson said. “It doesn’t need to be studied again"

 

Because that is not what this is about.

What it IS about, is destroying the US constitution, and nothing more.

You will NEVER disarm America, and have it survive in it's current form.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:02 | 3082783 pazmaker
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I will NEVER give up my weapons, but I also don't really care to see America survive in it's current form, because it's current form is screwed up and needs to die!

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:00 | 3082771 Againstthelie
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Expert? You mean those "experts" that think weapons are shooting and not humans?

It does not need an expert only a healthy common sense:

If the garbage in media destroys us adults, then the young developing brain will stay unharmed? Indeed it needs an "epxert" to deny this!

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:02 | 3082779 Keegan11
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... and Judas Priest and Iron Maiden are really Satan incarnate?? Are we in 1978 or something?? Settle down - the guy went crazy people, Get it? Bat-shit crazy dude with massive mommy issues with a deficiency in his brain playing with guns! And you know what else? He took the time to kill himself - suggests he wasn't 'possessed' by a video game. This crazy fucker knew exactly what he was doing. Try legislating crazy - that'd be fun

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:27 | 3082925 SilverDOG
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MSM believer.

Research the timeline facts. 

He was captured said the cop radio.

MSM said he killed himself.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:52 | 3085520 Keegan11
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You rat! You had your police scanner on in your mommys basement again didn't you??

Tool

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:04 | 3082799 Keegan11
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We should ban the road runner and wile e coyote too. I mean, one might drop an anvil on a woman's head from a 100 ft crane you know?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:10 | 3082840 Grinder74
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We can’t find any evidence to support this idea that exposure to [GUNS] contributes in any way to support the idea that these types of [GUNS] are a contributing factor,” Ferguson said. “It doesn’t need to be studied again.”

 

FIFY.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:39 | 3082989 Dangertime
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The kid had Borderline Personality Disorder.

 

That is a serious fvking mental illness.  Read some of the horror stories here that peole have had to tolerate in dealing with people afflicted with this disease.

 

http://bpdfamily.com/message_board/

 

Borderlines can't control their rage, they are very sick individuals.  This isn't a gun issue, this is a mental health issue.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:38 | 3083278 Ned Zeppelin
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+1 Bushmaster

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:37 | 3083496 SamAdams
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Speaking of Bushmaster, the AR-15 was in the trunk of the shooter's car.  There is helicopter video of police removing it from the car.  But, not wanting to waste a "good crisis", the FEDS had the medical examiner tell reporters all kids were killed with a "long gun".  Obviously, the dead shooter didn't put the AR in the trunk of his car after the scene.  When things don't make sense, you aren't getting all the info or the info is bad.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:45 | 3083297 WillyGroper
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>>>>Borderlines can't control their rage, they are very sick individuals.

While I agree Borderlines are sick, that was not my experience with a sister-in-law. She was brilliant, but totally irrational. 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:13 | 3083397 Dangertime
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Was she truly diagnosed as a Borderline?  Or was she a Histrionic Personality Disorder?

 

Some of the most comment sympoms include....

 

  • Cognitive Dissonance (like what they are doing is not real or is another person).
  • Litany of medical issues that cannot be diagnosed or resolved.
  • Excessive rage triggered by innocuous events.
  • Fear of abandonment and fear of intimacy (the combination will cause them to appear very "flaky", one day they want you to be their spouse, the next day they feel "smothered" and will avoid you completely.
  • Unusual excessive attachment to a single individual (friend) to avoid commitment to a boyfriend or girlfriend.

Those are just a few, they are often just plain crazy.  The worst are the "high-functioning" BPD's who appear normal in real life, up until you have a relationship of any kind with them.  Try reading "Stop Walking on Eggshells" to also get a strong idea on how crazy and exhausting these people can be.  And yes, unbelievable rage.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:55 | 3084406 MisterMousePotato
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Virginia Wolfe.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 17:24 | 3084144 Lore
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Yeah, the Military Industrial Complex funds development of these simulators merely for entertainment value.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 22:54 | 3085329 Axenolith
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All, we are sure, have a share in the blame for this monstrosity but UBS' Art Cashin opines on the influence of video games suggesting this needs to be examined more closely.

This is bullshit.  The only thing to blame is a loser douchebag who managed to take advantage of an unarmed mass of innocents.  While video games DO make people better able to aquire and engage targets (they are very similar in effect to military training modules developed to overcome the combat syndrome of the civilian equivalent of "buck fever", where you freeze up when confronted with the opportunity to kill), they do NOT remove the moral compass.  Unless you are totally, non functional batshit crazy or a genuine sociopath (which SSRI's do create...) , you know whether or not killing other people is wrong, and in the case of being a sociopath, you DON'T CARE by definition and are already evil.  Even as a 'Sociopath" you KNOW public and human morals, and KNOW what the eventual results of blatantly defying them are.

If fucking satan, or a dog, or something that claims to be "god" tells you in your head to kill children, you STILL know that something is amis, unless you genuinely want to serve the side of darkeness.  It's not fucking guns, or games, or shitty schooling, as an age of majority human being, you fucking KNOW whether or not killing 6-7 year olds is evil.  If you are a "mind control drone", you STILL know that doing that will result in eternal damnation, and you can chose to take whatever pain not doing it incurs, or you can do it and give into the darkeness.

Any American politician or bureaucrat that utilizes incidents like this to further infringe on the god given rights of the people is already in league with darkeness and treason, or is a complete idiot not worthy of serving public office from incompetence. 10's of millions of people do NOT need to lose more rights to "make right" the shortfalls of a state sponsored school.  The state, that "oh so beloved protecting entity" of statists, bears full responsibility for not making available force capable of meeting outlier threats.  the STATE should suffer the consequences, not the functional and sovereign people...

 

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 03:26 | 3094325 Lore
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Axenolith: "the STATE should suffer the consequences, not the functional and sovereign people..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:27 | 3082602 New England Patriot
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Well that's it then. Ferguson says it doesn't need to be studied again. Case closed.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:28 | 3082604 Theos
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Yeah bunny hopping around in COD and zerg rushing protoss in starcraft make a murderer.

 

JFC.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:41 | 3082676 nonclaim
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"... make a murderer."

No. But one can practice skills on it. This capacity, to train in mind (in virtual reality this days) is to move toward the objective in real life, is documented since Aristotle at least.

And I personaly don't think there's a solution to this problem.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:00 | 3082764 exi1ed0ne
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Actual murder skills?  Not so mutch.  Working with a team of varied skillsets toward a common goal, strategic and tactical thinking, and other leadership topics?  Yes.

http://www.amazon.com/Guild-Leadership-Jeon-Rezvani/dp/1435739558

Given the insane popularity of these games, I call bullshit on the entire premise.  We'd have an apocalypse if games caused murder.  Anyone trying to link a game to this tragic event is more than likely someone with only perepheral knowledge of these games and a whole lot of preconceptions.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:27 | 3082897 nonclaim
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By "one can practice skills on it" I meant the murderer; though everyone can gain the skill, only the (then potential) murderer will play or practice it with an intent to commit the action in real life (but may not, thus potential).

There's a whole lot of acquiring awareness, "muscle memory" and desensitizing involved which does not affect the normal player; only the one with intent is, and that is by own will.

So, again NO, the game is not the starting problem: s/he could gain the skills by any other means. But the game is a tool where scenarios can be replayed 24/7 with easy and that cannot be denied...

Yet again I don't see a solution to this problem... banning games, rifles on whatever is power grab and nothing else.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:33 | 3082962 exi1ed0ne
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You do realize there are a fuck-ton of veterans that have trained with live rounds on human looking silhouette targets, as well as actual fucking combat, right?  As in killing people for real, with real guns, and real blood splatter.  Better round them all up, because that is a ticking time bomb.

Most times a sick fuck is just fucking sick.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:42 | 3083009 Thisson
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He's not arguing with you.  I agree with him.  At worst, these games can act as virtual training for someone who has the intent to commit violence.  The games do not cause the violence, and banning them will not prevent the violence.

Other solutions are required. 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:15 | 3084289 Cathartes Aura
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individuals playing these games all come with their backstories, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that children who are abused, ignored, anti-social, angry, etc. are just that much closer to finding violence as an outlet.

a lot of folks out there just waiting to be triggered. . .

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:26 | 3082918 dracos_ghost
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Have you played the latest COD?! It has absolutely nothing to do with "Working with a team of varied skillsets toward a common goal, strategic and tactical thinking, and other leadership topics". It's about kill count and graphic depiction of kills. Maybe older COD editions promoted that but this new one is about carnage and brain splatter. Period.

A bunch of small maps that promote running around as fast as possible and killing -- and when in hardcore mode even killing your own teammates as long as you stay "positive" on K/D ratio. There is not much strategic thinking or anything cerebral(sans brain splatter) about this POS game.

Sorry, enjoyed FPS for a long time but COD BO 2 is about dehumanizing and desensitizing younger people. I have to agree that this stuff needs to be looked at. It's in my nature to call BS too on stuff like this but after a round last night where two kids were talking about the Newtown shooting as "bad but it would be cool to kill someone in real life to see what it feels like" during a round is just scary in it's own right.

Society is just fucking broken.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:36 | 3082972 exi1ed0ne
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Hotbutton pushed, rights limited.  Rinse, repeat.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:34 | 3083259 dracos_ghost
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Who the hell is talking about limiting rights. Change the premise of the game(I mean COD). There can be some thoughtful changes without "limiting rights".

Promote the "critical-thinking, team leadership skills" theme by rewarding completing objectives significantly more than just killing. Give more bonuses for completing objectives with no kills(like Splinter Cell used to do) or in the quickest time frame/minimal losses(Not the trivial little "in-game" medals). Actually penalize points for killing. Increase respawn time -- promote skill building. Have friendly fire mode on ALL levels. If you teamkill, you get set back to level 1, no prestiges, no bonuses. That would promote skills building and such. But no, that wouldn't be  sexy enough or high margin enough for the EA/ATVI reprobates and cool guys like Robert Downey Jr wouldn't get to pontificate about gun control. And finally, it's a M-17 game, keep the kids off of it  -- fuck social networking bullshit and instant gratification.

At a minimum, there is actually no entertainment value to showing ridiculous blood/brain splatter in slow motion of a kill cam. Has nothing to do with the game other than promote gore."COD TV" where you showcase your kills is creepy at best -- needs to go.

These game developers better be thinking of stuff like this and self-regulate or the gubmint WILL do it for them. Rights will only be limited if the arrogant fucks in the gaming world don't step back and rethink the impact of their products.

 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:50 | 3083048 Thisson
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You're wrong. There is a lot of strategy involved.  You may not have the experience to realize this yet, but in order to achieve the high-value score streaks, you must use a lot of strategy and situational awareness.

I've prestiged 6-times and I'm still learning new techniques.  Msg me if you want to party on Ps3 :-)

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:43 | 3082689 BlueCollaredOne
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Exactly.

 

What video games did Hitler, Stalin, Ivan the Terrible, Vlad the Impaler,Mao, Attila the Hun, Maximilien Robospierre, Khomenini, Imi Amin Dada, King Leopold the 2nd, Pol Pot, ETC FUCKING ETC play?

 

Murderers are born that way.  

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:12 | 3082845 Grinder74
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So can they agitate for marriage "rights" too?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:17 | 3082878 scraping_by
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Everyone you mentioned learned the good old-fashioned way--by watching real live murders. Violence of one sort or another has been part of many cultures since
God made rope.

 

Video games put murders and other mayhem into white, surburban homes where it otherwise wouldn't go. You see an occasional act of violence in Oakwood and Wankers Oaks and Hi Oaks Mom and the other slurb developments, but it's not an everyday occurence like life in the hood. None of this every evening gunfire or the couple next door throwing punches every night after supper.

 

Most of the burb kids would grow up thinking hurting someone is bizarre. Now they can think it's just another thumb twitch.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 01:43 | 3085852 blunderdog
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Democratization of insensate violence.  It's about time.  Of course...it's all just fake and bullshitty.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:35 | 3082607 Cognitive Dissonance
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".....but UBS' Art Cashin opines on the influence of video games suggesting this needs to be examined more closely."

Until we accept that we are influenced in ways we don't wish to know about this will not be properly and directly addressed. This is a psychological vulnerability that the hidden hand (aka the mind controllers/propagandists) ruthlessly exploits in all of us.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:37 | 3082652 kridkrid
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A pandora's box, of sorts. All kinds of indoctrination tools to examine; consumerism, compulsory education, religion, mass media, etc.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:11 | 3082838 Abiotic Oil
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Go jump on Xbox Live some Saturday night at 3am in Call of Duty and listen to the 8 year olds that don't have any parental supervision.  Listen to how they talk and swear as they robotically run around killing.  They are completely desensitized to the violence.

Microsoft has patents for their next gen system that will make the gaming experience completely immersive in 3d and their next gen Kinect will be able to read lips.  A great programming and surveillance device.

It is not too hard to get into a flow state while playing these games that is very suggestible, even hypnotic.

Don't blame the games though.  Blame the parents that aren't doing their job.  When the rating on the box says "Mature" it usually means it.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:51 | 3083055 Thisson
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I agree - it's a parenting issue, not a gaming issue. These games are for ADULTS not for young children with impressionable minds.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:06 | 3083133 Cognitive Dissonance
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"These games are for ADULTS not for young children with impressionable minds."

Well.......while I agree that there are serious parenting issues involved, the comforting lie we tell ourselves is that these games are intended for adults only. But look where and to whom, meaning on what web sites and which TV programs, those games are marketed. Switch over to "kids" programming and watch for a day or two. I think you will be amazed what the little tikes "consume" by way of "programming" and advertisement.

Besides........the OTHER lie we tell ourselves is that while kids might be impressionable, we big boys and girls most certainly are not. WE can tell the difference between real and not real.

Riiiiiiiight!

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:48 | 3083311 WillyGroper
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LeeeeeeRoy Jenkins.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:09 | 3083155 Sparkey
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CD you are our resident genius, why can't people understand everything in modern life is about conditioning our behavior, Millions play these games daily, paying their conditioner for their conditioning, one in a million or more, because of some mental abberation, breaks forth causing incredible mayhem, how many would happily wreck mayhem on anyone if it was sanctioned by authority, and there for `OK` or patriotic?

 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:39 | 3083239 Cognitive Dissonance
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I think Mrs. CD would strenuously disagree with your "genius" supposition......as would I. :)

I loved the Kyle Bass video from yesterday. At the 5 minute mark he says "War is just economic entropy played to its logical conclusion". It also tends to work out a lot of built up aggression within the controlled mind.

I must always remind myself that mind control is not a modern phenomenon.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:29 | 3082608 hankwil74
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"

 

We can’t find any evidence to support this idea that exposure to video-game violence contributes in any way to support the idea that these types of games or movies or TV shows are a contributing factor"

 

That simply isn't true.  A simple search will bring up a multitude of studies that show increased aggression, trouble telling right from wrong, and lack of empathy after playing violent video games

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:33 | 3082630 Silver Bully
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'A simple search will bring up a multitude of studies that show increased aggression, trouble telling right from wrong, and lack of empathy after playing violent video games'

 

I'm curious. Care to cite any link or study in particular?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:50 | 3082720 hankwil74
Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:52 | 3082728 Pinktip
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http://www.killology.com/bio.htm

Lt. Col. Dave Grossman is an internationally recognized scholar, author, soldier, and speaker who is one of the world's foremost experts in the field of human aggression and the roots of violence and violent crime

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:37 | 3082653 Flakmeister
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Did they control for the autistic component of the sample... Not so easy in this day and age...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:27 | 3082927 scraping_by
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Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is a label, nothing more.

 

The real autism (read Son-Rise by the Kaufmans) is unmistakable and very wierd, Today you've got a bunch of elementary school teachers labelling their shy, smart kids. Strokes their little egos and proves they could have been college professors, or MDs, or something.

 

The right wing/corporate propaganda/disaster industries need enemies to protect us against. Geeky kids are the next enemy.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:31 | 3082948 Flakmeister
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'cuse me... I didn't know you were a fucking expert...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:31 | 3082610 GubbermintWorker
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Adam Lanza obsessively played “Call of Duty” and “Starcraft” before he went on a shooting rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., last Friday.

 

Adam also drank water daily before he went on a shooting rampage.

 

Must be something in the water.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:41 | 3082665 Cognitive Dissonance
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With tongue only slightly in cheek..........

Considering how many tens of millions of people are on various anti-psychotic drugs and many of those drugs pass through the body and out with the urine and eventually back into the ground water from which many draw their drinking water................maybe we should look at the water? 

You would be very surprised what is in our drinking water that is not tested for by "officials".

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:48 | 3082716 GubbermintWorker
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Oh, I absolutely agree!

 

Signed,

 

One of those "Officials"

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:54 | 3082740 GubbermintWorker
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Do you know why we don't test for it? At least not on a routine basis?

 

Because removing it would not be econonically viable.

 

I treat all my drinking and cooking water via reverse osmosis and carbon columns.

 

Cheers!

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:50 | 3082724 Flakmeister
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There are meausurable levels of estrogen in many water supplies...

I don;t know about you but I don't recall any 12 yo girls with big tits when I went to school, take a look now...

Just look the correletion between use of hormones in agriculture with the decreasing age of menarche...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:01 | 3082774 pods
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Just to be safe I would practice catch and release for the hermaphroditic Smallmouth Bass in the Potomac.

pods

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:30 | 3082941 Cognitive Dissonance
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LOTS of anti-psychotic drugs in use in the DC area. And to no avail unfortunately.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:13 | 3082858 Grinder74
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Not to mention the increasing number of ghey males.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:29 | 3082935 LongSoupLine
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I don't recall any 12 yo girls with big tits when I went to school, take a look now...

 

Uhhh, I'll pass on hanging out at the middle school to watch 12 year old girls, but thanks for sharing your "observations".

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:44 | 3083014 Flakmeister
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When you have a 15 yo son you cannot help but be cognizant... I also have a number of young nieces...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:53 | 3083321 WillyGroper
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RGBH, BST, Prosilac. MonSatan sold it to Lilly.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:59 | 3082756 shovelhead
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I, for one, enjoy my daily dose of estrogen in my morning coffee.

I always used to hate shaving.

Do you think these jeans make my ass look too big?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:15 | 3082862 Grinder74
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Yes, and you will still need to shave down-under.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:58 | 3083110 mckee
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No... but your ass makes the jeans look big

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:12 | 3083400 GubbermintWorker
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My wife wanted me to spend big bucks on a boob job for her. I told her it would be cheaper just to rub toilet paper over them. She asked why and I told her it worked for her ass.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:33 | 3082963 SilverDOG
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Puget Sound is a perfect example.

Every fish and friend studied, dissected, contained caffeine.

"Stay thirsty my friends"

 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:52 | 3082731 Squid Vicious
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yeah the meds he swallowed with the water

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:33 | 3082611 buzzsaw99
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Next up the call of doody game where players break into daycares and start shooting diapered targets. they could update with drones and missiles for destroying orphanages abroad.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:31 | 3082613 RussellB
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I usually appreciate Cashin's opinion quite a bit, but stick to what you know buddy. At any given time there's hundreds of thousands of people just on the newest Call of Duty alone, not to mention the tens of other 1st person shooter games between Playstation Xbox and PC. Stop trying to find scapegoats for crazy.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:36 | 3082615 hedgeless_horseman
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We have three teenage boys, have not had a television in our home for more than a decade, and have never had game console.

As a direct consequence, our sons will all have their choice of scholastic and athletic college scholarships.

Speaking of brittle kids, ours were helping Mrs. Horseman make peanut brittle last night.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:02 | 3082645 GetZeeGold
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Howsa about passing a liitle over here Amigo?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:37 | 3082649 Jason T
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Hedgeless is the #1 ZH'er

This guy knows where its at! 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:45 | 3082701 cifo
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You are a lucky man. Because "behind every great man there is a great woman".

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:54 | 3082736 hankwil74
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When does your book, "How To Raise a 40-Year Old Virgin" come out?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 11:59 | 3082763 MachoMan
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Probably just before his sons come out...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:04 | 3082796 hedgeless_horseman
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Right, because watching televison and playing video games make you a real man.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:11 | 3082827 Bob
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Hey, stupid shit is just funny sometimes, hh, and ya gotta laugh!  And, fwiw, gays of both sexes make fine killers for our nations's MIC. 

Luv your posts, btw.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:13 | 3082856 MachoMan
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Exactly...  it's the ZH equivalent of a locker room towel pop...

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