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Guest Post: Gun Grabbers Call For Re-Education Programs In Public Schools

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

Was the shooting of 20 students in Newtown, Connecticut the Neo-Liberal version of 9/11?  The question merits considerable thought, but let me explain further what I mean.  In the aftermath of the 9/11 World Trade Center attacks, a sense of shock and awe sunk into the minds of the American populace like nothing seen in decades.   This overwhelming fear, this logic crippling terror, infected the public to more destructive ends than any deadly virus in existence.  Conservatives were especially vulnerable to the infectious symptoms of the event, abandoning all reason and even their small government values to support the fascist inklings of the Bush Administration; a Neo-Con (fake conservative) driven presidency with ambitions of constitutional reversal.  Whatever you may believe about the true causes and culprits behind 9/11, no one can deny that Bush and his ilk sought to exploit the tragedy to gain political capital to be used in the destruction of American civil liberties. 

More than a decade later, the Neo-Liberal (fake liberal) Obama Administration and its minions continue the Bush legacy by exploiting our latest tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary as a means to an end; a political opportunity to assert federal authority as more valuable than constitutional freedom.

The onset of the illegal wars thrust upon the Middle East after 9/11 brought with it mass resistance from the “left” side of the political spectrum.  Protests abounded, dissenters were numerous, and Bush responded in kind with unprecedented domestic surveillance programs and attacks against free speech.  Democratic leaning citizens saw the criminality of it because they were unhindered by bias.  The archetypal manipulation of 9/11 and the fear mongering of the terrorist myth was less effective on them.  However, times have changed...

With a Democratic president in the White House, the left has grown addicted to their perceived (but illusory) social leverage.  The intoxicating symptoms of power overdose have clouded their vision, and that which they fought against in the Bush years now appears rather fair and acceptable to them today.  Obama has so far committed every war atrocity that Bush was ever guilty of in his tenure, while expanding on liberty nullifying pieces of legislation Bush set into motion.  Liberals cry out in horror at the deaths of 20 children in Connecticut while cheering a man like Obama, who orders predator drone strikes that result in the deaths of children everyday.  Of all the people in this country, self proclaimed “progressives” are the most hypocritical and the most disappointing as human beings.

Adding to that disappointment, Obama’s more aggressive socialist support base (useful idiots) along with the establishment controlled mainstream media are attempting to squeeze every last ounce of political advantage from the Newtown massacre to gain superiority in a battle over one of the last portions of the Constitution that people still seem willing to fight and die for:  The 2nd Amendment.

In the past few days I have seen an unprecedented tidal wave of media stories promoting anti-gun sentiments and prejudice against gun ownership.  Counterpoints to this philosophy are almost never given credence in print or on television, and when they are, gun rights advocates are interrupted with incessant Alinsky arguments attacking their characters or distracting away from the real issues.  What the MSM is attempting to do (blatantly and shamelessly I might add) is to create the illusion of consensus.  Through a deluge of constant propaganda, they hope to implant the false perception that a “majority” of Americans are in support of strict gun control or even confiscation.

What I have found though in my seven years as an analyst in the independent media is quite the opposite.  America’s appreciation of gun rights and gun ownership is increasing exponentially.  Not because of some newfound love affair for “hunting”; that’s just nonsense.  Instead, the public is embracing our gun culture because they are slowly realizing the need for self defense in these precarious times, and this need extends to defense against a highly corrupt government (hence the public’s right to military style weapons).  Gun ownership has even increased amongst Democrats after the election of Barack Obama, and gun sales have skyrocketed beyond all expectation.  Interestingly, some gun grabbers are willing to admit that 2nd Amendment principles are pervasive in the U.S., and have suggested that the Obama Administration target not only gun ownership, but our “gun culture” as well.

Numerous mainstream articles have been published attacking the gun culture as the root cause of all our nation’s ills, but I felt one Reuters piece in particular stood out as indicative of the truly despotic depths to which leftists (who claim to be champions of freedom) are willing to sink:

The piece begins by comparing the battle for gun control to the battle for civil rights of black Americans during the reign of Lyndon Johnson.  As painful and absurd as this sounds, the author appears to take the premise very seriously. 

The article attempts to promote the idea that desegregation was achieved due to the actions of the Johnson Administration, who supposedly used the threat of cancelled supplemental funds to state schools as a means to force them into enrolling black students. 

The goal here is to promote a worshipful attitude towards the Federal Government as the sole arbiter and savior of the people.  It’s funny, but I thought it was the dissenting protests of millions of civil rights activists that ended desegregation, NOT Lyndon Johnson, who by all accounts was a racist who only wanted to use the black community as a voting bloc to revitalize the Democratic Party. 

In this White House recording, Johnson complains that using the argument of discrimination to impose federal controls on taxation in Texas was not working because there were too many “n*ggers” voting there to make it seem plausible:

Johnson is also famous for this quote:

"I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
From Ronald Kessler’s “Inside The White House”

Clearly, Johnson saw the tragedy of the oppression of the black community as a tool he could exploit to further his goal of decapitating states rights.  Progressives and centralists often use the argument that if the states are left to their own devices they will implement freedom crushing legislation like segregation.  I would point out that anti-constitutional and anti-freedom actions by ANY government, whether state or federal, need to be stopped by the citizenry.  The federal government is supposed to keep the states in line constitutionally, but states are also supposed to keep the federal government in line constitutionally.  In the meantime, the people are supposed to keep BOTH of them in line constitutionally.  The Federal Government was never designed to be an unaccountable and unstoppable dictator in the affairs of the states or the populace.  They do not get the last word; the Constitution and the people do. 

In light of this information on Johnson, I find it interesting that the author of the Reuters article above uses Johnson’s methodology as an argument for Obama’s gun control.  Whether he realizes it or not, he has made a very astute comparison.  Obama does not care about Sandy Hook, the children who were killed, or similar tragedies in general.  Like Johnson, though, Obama does care about how he can use the event to further federal power and chew away at our constitutional rights.   

The LBJ / Obama connection aside, the article gets much worse…

The author goes on to propose that Obama use Johnson’s strategy of flaunting federal money as a carrot to get states to submit to centralized gun control.  This plays into the overall meme that the mainstream media is pushing post-Newtown; the idea that Obama must bypass Congress and take action against gun rights unilaterally.  You know…like an emperor…

And still, it gets even darker…

What is the author’s ultimate methodology?  What edict does he hope the Obama Administration will implement?  Use the threat of lost federal funding to force schools across the country to institute government approved “gun safety and violence prevention” programs. 

But what does he mean by “violence prevention”?  The author dances around the specifics of the issue while throwing out a couple small placations to states rights advocates, but slips up by admitting he wants the gun control ideology taught to schoolchildren while blaming the American “gun culture” as equally responsible for the attack at Newtown:

“…Public debate and discussion about the role of guns and gun culture in American society must be a key component of that process. The question that many Americans will be asking is: Why did the shooting occur and how can we prevent another shooting in the future? It is not just that guns are available, it’s also the culture that surrounds them. It’s about the people and the tools, not one or the other. A comprehensive attempt at gun control would better inform Americans about gun safety and the hazards of guns. But how best to do that? I offer one possible solution: the power of federal government intervention through schools.”


“…the Obama administration would begin to chip away at a culture of violence that is clearly deeply rooted across the country…If we can link federal funds to mandatory standardized testing then we can certainly do the same for gun-control education. This will not only be a practical step to ensure that an event like the Newtown shooting does not happen again. It’s also a moral one to combat a culture that’s buying an increasing number of guns—guns that can easily have dire effects in the future.”

And there you have it.  The answer, according to gun grabbers, is to force schools to reeducate your children to fear and disdain the very idea of gun ownership.  This is almost the equivalent of a “Prima Nocta” policy against the gun rights movement.  Essentially the Reuters author’s philosophy is to “breed us out”, taking away our ability to pass on our 2nd Amendment principles to our children through propaganda conditioning, instead of trying to fight us head on.    

Is this really the point we have come to in America?  Where hack journalists feel no qualms about openly calling for the execution of political propaganda in public schools to manipulate little kids into believing what the establishment wants them to believe?  I realize that this is sadly already happening in many ways, but it has always been a subversive and secretive process because, well…because it is abhorrent and they know it!  Now, they openly petition for it as if it should be commonly accepted?!

Here is the bottom line:  If you can’t convince people through rational debate that your position is the correct one, and, if you have to threaten them, lie to them, or brainwash them before they will adopt your ideas, then there is something wrong with your ideas.  The truth wins out eventually under its own power.  Only disinformation needs to be forcefully injected into the public consciousness.  Obviously, there are a great many truths behind the concepts of individual self defense and gun ownership if gun grabbers find it impossible to prevail without subverting our youth.

As I mentioned in my article ‘Teachers:  It Is Time To Arm Yourselves Regardless Of The Law’, the Liberty Movement has already offered a solution to potential gun violence that can and does work far better than gun restriction or confiscation; let teachers carry their own firearms, training to defend themselves and their students.  We should demand that this solution be given the consideration it deserves instead of being outright ignored in the public arena.  If we allow gun grabbers to “shame” us into silence, or, god forbid, reeducate our offspring, the outlandish Orwellian concepts peddled by the mainstream today will seem like child’s play compared to the tyranny of tomorrow.


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Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:44 | 3084368 grunk
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If you a pro 2nd Amendment, have your kid start a gun club in his/her school.

Off campus, monitored by police/military.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:52 | 3084401 Hobbleknee
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Why should it be monitored by pigs and military that are not defending our Constitution?

Fellow parents, participate in your kids lives.  We don't need government to organize.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:58 | 3084418 Caged Monkey
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Wait a minute, whoa, whoa, whoa...


People still send kids to school?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:26 | 3084508 The Alarmist
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"... have your kid start a gun club in his/her school."

Yeah, right.  In this day and age they'll pump your kids full of drugs to keep them calm and level-headed right before they take them away to a government-approved foster family and stick your freedom-loving ass in the pen for supporting a terrorist activity.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:50 | 3084616 FEDbuster
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My son was in the local youth trap and skeet club for several years.  We went to competitions where there were hundreds of 8-18 year olds walking around with shells and shotguns, and never once did I feel I was in any sort of danger.  In fact, I have never heard of an accidental discharge, let alone an intentional discharge at one of these youth events.  I only wish that Feinstien, Shummer, Bloomberg and Co.... could come to one of these events to see young people enjoying a shooting competition.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 20:58 | 3084904 e_goldstein
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I only wish that Feinstien, Shummer, Bloomberg and Co.... could come to one of these events to see young people enjoying a shooting competition.

That would be awesome, if those guys do show up, be sure to invite Dick Cheney.


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 21:10 | 3084926 nmewn
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It would be great!

Taxpayer funded, armed detachments (read private body guards bearing arms) shooting it out against each other.

We could make a movie...Elitists Gone Wild...or sumpin...I am afterall, paying for these people to be armed protecting "public servants" as a taxpayer and I'm also a capitalist ;-)

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 22:22 | 3085151 e_goldstein
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Cheney don't need no stinking bodyguards. Put a Lone Star in one hand and a 12 gauge in the other and he is quite capable of shooting people in the face all by himself.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:37 | 3085470 Enslavethechild...
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Turn on the TV for 5 seconds, Extreme Psychops. Same with radio and newspaper. Terrorism. Propaganda. Brainwashing. No wonder your average American is about as smart as a red brick.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 00:53 | 3085777 NeedtoSecede
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That's racist! And an insult to red bricks everywhere...

I have also been involved with youth shooting sports and we have had hundreds of kids shooting on the range at the same time, and just like the poster above, never even an accidental discharge. Shit, I would trust any one of the sixth graders I have coached over the years to be safer and more responsible than most of the worthless politicians in DC.

Sad how this nation is so dedicated to its own destruction.

Secession anyone?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 21:24 | 3084930 TwoShortPlanks
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Why not just ban all firearms. Is the Constitution really that up-to-date anyway? I doubt it; we're not living in the Wild West anymore.

I reckon the right to bear arms is all about fear of the Government, not your fellow citizen.

At least limit it to Bolt Action Sporting there really a need to have Semi/Fully-Auto Assult Rifles, Hand Guns, and 0.50Cal Sniper Rifles...really?!

You can't point your finger at Banks and cry Moral Hazzard when you've got so many people armed to the teeth. It's the same principle.

And think about it, is it any wonder as to why American Cops need to be equally armed? I reckon American Cops aren't armed enough when you consider what's for sale.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 21:28 | 3084988 quasimodo
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How about you change your handle to "short two bricks"

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 22:02 | 3085095 TwoShortPlanks
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The way I see it, how can anyone point to their constitutional rights with one hand and grasp a gun with the other and claim to be free…LOL…if you do that you’re certainly not free from fear. And is there any worse freedom to lose than freedom of fear, and thus to live in fear daily? No! That’s a prison.

People who refuse to give up their right to own weapons are actually shackled to fear itself, and they will yell, scream and fight to protect their bondage to fear. Fear breeds paranoia, and that paranoia in turn feeds the fear, like a dog chasing its own tail, these people enslave their own mind. They build their own prisons, lock themselves in, and toss the key away. THAT, is insane!

I hear and read words like freedom, liberty, truth, justice, rights, civil liberties, equality, etc…where do these all come from, the end of a gun barrel?

All those words come from one place and one place only, and the term Guru is where it all starts.

Guru: One who conquers the darkness or ignorance from within…to conquer fear brought about from ignorance…to remove fear and negativity through the teachings of the truth.


'Land Of The Free And The Home Of The Brave'...WTF?!...really, do you think so?! I think the average American is utterly terrified of his/her own Government, and the Government is utterly terrified of its' population...oh dear, it's a Mexican Standoff.

Letting go of fear and then letting go is the only way to be truly free. I pity those who do not know that reality.

But then again, I'm probably a raving lunatic from some fucktard corner of the world...what the fuck would I know, right?!

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 22:08 | 3085186 nmewn
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"The way I see it, how can anyone point to their constitutional rights with one hand and grasp a gun with the other and claim to be free..."

Sure...and along with freedom of speech, association, press, petition, habeas corpus...purely alien concepts to freedom, naturally.

"But then again, I'm probably a raving lunatic from some fucktard corner of the world...what the fuck would I know, right?!"



Thu, 12/20/2012 - 22:17 | 3085213 TwoShortPlanks
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Those shackles look tight. Good luck with that.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 22:39 | 3085280 Anusocracy
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Being free from your type of thinking is what is needed.

Not the type of freedom that is in an ant colony.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:46 | 3085503 FEDbuster
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The Second Amendment is to protect ourselves from that type of thinking.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 00:52 | 3085770 TwoShortPlanks
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"freedom that is in an ant colony"....that's a prophecy, believe me.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:58 | 3085543 nmewn
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Shackles? I supposed to "fear" that?...what are you or they gonna do, take away my birthday?...clap me in irons?

I have no fear, least of all, of you.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 00:21 | 3085641 TwoShortPlanks
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Fri, 12/21/2012 - 00:55 | 3085781 palmereldritch
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  Those shackles look tight. Good luck with that.

So sayeth the slave.

Project much?

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 01:19 | 3085809 TwoShortPlanks
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Yes, I do indeed (project), I provoke, I watch responses, and I gauge.

If you wish to understand the system in its' complete form, you must study all aspects. The conqueror, the conquered, the soon to be conquered behave. I want to know how people will react if/when it comes crashing down around their ears…if reactions to my simple comments are anything to go by, not well.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 01:27 | 3085827 Pure Evil
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Maybe if you pulled your head out of Obama's ass you'd have the chance to guage what fresh air smells like. Go back to your SPLC or Brady Campaign toadstool and suck up to the gun grabbers gonads.

When the government is capable of eliminating drugs from the streets and the gang bangers along with the drug cartels, get back to us.

So far we have a war on drugs, a war on poverty, a war on terrorism, a war on hunger, a war on ignorance (public school funding), a war on illegal immigration, and yet the Federal government is losing on all fronts.

So, after the Federal government has started a war on US citizens via Homeland Security and the TSA, they want to open a new front in that war by confiscating the firearms of US citizens.

No wonder Homeland Security has purchased billions of rounds of ammunition. I guess they figure they're going to need all that ammunition killing US citizens that own lawful firearms.

Sadly, some 20 children had to die so the UN elites could have a reason to confiscate the firearms of US citizens.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 01:32 | 3085833 TwoShortPlanks
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If that's what it takes....sure!

As for the 20 Kids, nooooo, that's America.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 07:13 | 3086123 nmewn
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"As for the 20 Kids, nooooo, that's America."

Anders Breivik would disagree. He killed seventy Norway...the vast majority of

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 01:35 | 3085837 palmereldritch
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  "If you wish to understand the system in its' complete form, you must study all aspects. The conqueror, the conquered, the soon to be conquered behave."


OK  You asked for it.

The article brilliantly dissects a meme being propagated by the news agency known as Reuters, an agency that perhaps requires some greater historical scrutiny....

(My God! Reuters is to objective, non-NWO the Washington Post is to....oh, wait)


It is difficult to approach journalism without taking into account its companions of a trinity, propaganda and espionage, and we find in this book many instances of their relationship.  On page 200, Sir Roderick [ Chief of Reuters News Agency] relates a bit of history which will not be found in the universities.  It describes a luncheon given by him for General Smuts, Sir Starr Jameson, and Dr. Walter Hines Page.  He says:
"We dined in a private room at the Windham Club, the one in which twenty years later the terms of the abdication of King Edward VIII were settled.  We drifted on to the question of the United States entering the war, for which Britain and France so patiently waited.  Dr. Page then revealed to us, under seal of secrecy, that he had received from the President that afternoon a personal communication upon the strength of which he could affirm that, at last, the die was cast.  Consequently it was not without emotion that he found himself able to assure us that the United States would be at war with the Central Powers inside a week from that date.  The Ambassador's assurance was correct to the day.  We dined on Friday, March 30.  On April 2, President Wilson asked Congress to declare a State of War with Germany.  On April 6, the United States was at war."

Perhaps not a news agency so much as as a news writer or “news” promoter?

No, wait...Pre-crime reportage!! must close the Trans-Atlantic circle...Let’s not forget WaPo!:
The Washington Post was purchased in a bankruptcy auction in 1933 by a member of the Federal Reserve's board of governors, Eugene Meyer, who restored the paper's health and reputation. In 1946, Meyer was succeeded as publisher by his son-in-law Philip Graham.

No.   I am not going to connect the obvious dots of the Wilson Administration and the Federal Reserve in this context out of respect[contempt?] for those damned to repeat history.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 01:53 | 3085871 TwoShortPlanks
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Wasn't asking for your help....was refering to something else anyway.

On a lighter note, don't think for one second that you'll win this one.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 01:57 | 3085884 palmereldritch
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Don't think of it as help.  Think of it as charity. God be with you.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 22:44 | 3085297 Slightly Insane
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Hey Short Brains;

I have a friend who was driving around with an AR-15 (armalite) and a Shotgun in a rack behind his pick-up seat, and he was asked by a cop, what he was afraid of.  He said "sir, I ain't afraid of shit"!


Evidently short brains, you are not a gun owner, only a "poser", and a troll.  You have your wiring messed up.  Probably that public school indoctrination shit.  You have ample reason to be afraid, because you have your shit mixed up, and if you thought logically you would understand that without the second ammendment, you have none of the others.  Take away the second ammendment, and the others are indefensible.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 00:25 | 3085661 TwoShortPlanks
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I spent 12 years in a Recon/Sniper cell. I have no interest in guns.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 04:41 | 3086038 Vlad Tepid
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MMORPG don't count.  Sorry, to back of the line with you.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 04:15 | 3086032 beaglebog
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The RKBA derives from the right to self-defence... it is NOT a Constitutional "right". 


That is, the RKBA is not derived from the Constitution, merely acknowledged by the Constitution.



"the right ... shall not be infringed"  indicates that the Founders recognised the intrinsic right of all men to protect their own lives and bodies ... these being their most personal of Private Property.  

And, if you cannot protect your Property from predation, then your Property has no value... thus, a life unprotected has no value.  Any passing predator can take it from you.


Since the RKBA exists independently of the Constitution, then it will continue to exist even in the absence of the Constitution. You can wriggle and scheme and politic, so as to have the document amended, but the RKBA belongs to men. Forever.


And women, too.  : )


Fri, 12/21/2012 - 08:48 | 3086219 Bloodstock
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I agree that you are a raving lunatic from some fucktard corner of the world...probably popping pills like there won't be tomorrow. Funny how police officers have the authority of "law" on there sides but still feel the need to be armed with a firearm, back up magazines, a shotgun in their squad car, a baton, a taser, a big heavy flashlight, and a phone at their chin with a fucking computer in their squad car. Obviously they don't feel safe in their defense. The 2nd Amendment, shall not be infringed means don't fuck with it!

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 22:32 | 3085261 Anusocracy
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You have it ass backwards.

The world would be a far safer place if governments were disarmed and individuals were fully armed.

Four hundred million killed by governments in the 20th century. That's mankind's problem, not someone trying to defend himself.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:34 | 3085471 Dick Buttkiss
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This country gets it and always has -- -- never mind that nobody in our country knows who its president is for the simple reason that it's actually a limited, federative government --


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:25 | 3085440 jwoop66
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The Constitution was a document based on reality and the reality of human nature, not some utopian ideal.  That was the other guys.  You've heard the saying "freedom isn't free", haven't you?  It is a saying also based in reality.  Nothing is free, nothing is easy, nothing is perfect.  We can however, do the best we can if allowed to run our own lives.   This includes personal self-defense.

I hope whoever it is that provides you with a life which you can view through the happy little haze of, "but this is how it should be..." , stays healthy and financially secure for a long time.  

 Because if they don't  - you're fucked, dude...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:33 | 3085465 Enslavethechild...
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Things are worse on us now than they were on our founding fathers. Our current criminals are much worse than the Redcoats. Back then Americans had the balls to keep their freedom. Americans today are just putting their heads on the chopping block willingly. Zombies all of them. Sad.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:45 | 3085497 Enslavethechild...
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Zerohedgers know that when I say "criminals" I am refering to the United States government in it's entirety

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 00:01 | 3085549 jwoop66
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Unfortunately, if you stick around here long enough, you will realize "zerohedgers" often love and revere the beast that is the united states government.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 00:40 | 3085715 TwoShortPlanks
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“zerohedgers often love and revere the beast that is the united states government".

There are people on this planet who aren't happy unless they're miserable about something, anything. It's a sickness. Likewise, there are people who aren't happy unless they are fearful about something, anything. It's a comfort blanket. It's a curse. It's ignorance.

I cannot believe that people are so blind. America's aggression is turning inward at a thousand miles an hour, and the US public will give its' Government EVERY excuse to do something about it...get ready to disarm.

At $85Billion/mth loss of sovereignty to foreign entities, that fear will turn inward, with a slavery/serfdom flavour, within the next few years.

Can't wait for those lights to go out.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 00:47 | 3085737 TwoShortPlanks
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"Back then Americans had the balls to keep their freedom. Americans today are just putting their heads on the chopping block willingly"

Americans today are all mouth.

What's funny, is that Americans are giving their country away, to the REAL enemy, without that enemy firing a single shot.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 00:51 | 3085767 devnickle
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You are a tool, and will be rounded up with the other tools in a FEMA camp.

I would rather die a free man, than live as a slave.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 00:54 | 3085778 TwoShortPlanks
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I'm sure your offer will be accepted.

There are no FEMA Camps where I live. That's YOUR reality...LOL.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 00:57 | 3085784 devnickle
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Good! As least I won't be some prison guard's bitch like you.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 01:01 | 3085796 TwoShortPlanks
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You think somehow that you have a choice with your current belief system, I'm afraid you do not.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 01:26 | 3085828 TwoShortPlanks
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Passive Resistance has a better score card. Weapons gives dictatorships an excuse...and that's really what America is, an unseen-hand dictatorship.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 02:15 | 3085917 devnickle
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Nice try. Ghandi didn't have to deal with drones and electronic surveillance.

How did that peaceful thingy work out for Iranians, Syrians, Egyptians, Germans, Russians, Chinese..............and on..........and on.............and on..........................

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 02:19 | 3085923 devnickle
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I believe all the great dictators of the last century disarmed the citizenry as one of their first "civilized" acts, no?

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 09:02 | 3086239 jwoop66
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Passive resistance only works with passive govts.  I would like to see what ghandi could achieve in 1939 germany.   Bullet.   Head.  Gone. 

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 00:56 | 3085785 devnickle
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Good! As least I won't be some prison guard's bitch like you.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 01:59 | 3085885 A Nanny Moose
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We have them (firearms), so we don't have to use them. Just like Nukes. Get it?

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 02:08 | 3085903 devnickle
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Excellent Grasshopper! Mutual Assured Destruction.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 06:02 | 3086096 Arnold
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Let's substitute First Amendment for Second Amendment in your arguement

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 22:34 | 3085265 Slightly Insane
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I've heard of a little kid suspended because he ate the bread on his peanutbutter sandwich such that it formed a likeness of a "gun", which he subsequently pointed at another kid at the "lunch table".  If it were me, I think I woulda come fuckin "unglued" if it were my kid suspended.  I think that the adminsitration at most of the schools have been turned into Pussified Communists who don't dare think outside the fucking box.  Everything is "group think" run by "shrinks" who don't have the brains to screw in a light bulb.  All these public brainwashing centers are fucked, they have destroyed most of the kids that pass through them.  Critical thinking hasn't been taught in more then 20 years.  I've heard that instead of teaching math, they teach fucking "estimating".  WTF?  Zero Tolerance for fighting ... so that the "defender" also gets suspended.  In the old days, the Principal would pull the two kids into the office, and make sure that their differences were settled, have them shake hands, (a basic agreement that the fighting would stop at least for a day or two) and go back to class.  No fuckin suspensions, no parents called, end of story, done.  These pussy administrators have fucked everything up today, they should all be shit canned!  I would rather have my kid in front of either a "real dad", or at least another adult who knew what fighting was about at that age, they would deal with it using "common sense".

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 00:00 | 3085545 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Help me out here, isn't it the "shrinks" that are prescribing the SSRI's?

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 01:54 | 3085882 A Nanny Moose
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as if skewl actually educates anyone.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:55 | 3084639 Stoploss
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Im also just going to say no to hiring anyone (like i plan on it LOL!!) who is, or has been, on any type of psychological drugs for treatment of depression or any other psychological disorder. WHATSOEVER.

This is purely for the safety of all 0 of my future employee's!!

So, fuck you fascists! Fuck You!!


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 22:19 | 3085226 Slightly Insane
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Hobknee you are a freakin genius.  The Po-Po (police) and the military (not your father's military, I promise) are both Government institutions where massive brainwashing of their subjects have taken place.   They would co-opt anything you could do with the result that the message would be "transformed".  I reside in Illinois where the cops who side with giving law abiding folks Carry / Conceal .... never get the microphone or camera .... their bosses won't let their opinions see the light of day.  The real reason the politicos don't want the 2nd ammendment supported is because they honestly fear the electorate .... and would fear them far more if they were "in the public with guns", and the reason is because .... if you knew the amount of corruption these politicos were in to, a law abiding citizen just might get pissed off enough to perform an act of armed violence on these miscreants.   (and now you know why they openly allow guns in Texas and don't in Chicago or New York).  I have greater respect for the Mafia then the current administration.  At least the Mafia has a certain code of ethics (and "laws").... and they don't take 50% of your stuff.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:01 | 3084423 grunk
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More just saying having it supervised by those who know and respect weapons.

Certainly not Big Brother.

Sorry for the ambiguity.

The grabbers want to teach fear.

You take away the fear in an environment of safety and respect.  

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:10 | 3084456 Hobbleknee
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Word.  There are plenty of parents that know and respect weapons though :)

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:11 | 3084461 Stoploss
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We already have them.

Whole families go to the gun range.


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:17 | 3084484 Stoploss
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I see the Neo-Fascist (new) homeland terrorists, apparently have no qualms in the self sacrificial game played by so many.

They are actually worse. Who knew?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:16 | 3084468 grunk
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Let me clarify, you retarded stupid fucks:

If you want to start a golf club, you don't start a golf course on the 10 acres of land that your township set aside for you. You go to a golf course.

Do you think that, in this environment, a school will open a range on a school campus?

Go to a gun range.

Do you think that a school will sponsor a club without trained personnel POLICE/MILITARY? Parents, too. Though the authourities may want proof. 

Shit, I hope the fucking world DOES end tonight.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:38 | 3084568 Harbanger
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"Shit, I hope the fucking world DOES end tonight."

It's been 12-21-12 in Sydney for almost 12 hrs already.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 22:57 | 3085333 Slightly Insane
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You are an idiot!  I shot weekly (1982) at a gun range on campus at Ohio State in the basement of the ROTC building which held the armory.  Schools do have shooting ranges.  Many have shooting teams. Shooting was "unsupervised", by a gunny who manned the armory.  As long as you told him that you knew how to handle your weapon and practice requisite "standard range rules", you were ok to shoot away, and he would leave you alone.

I do not share your desire to end the world tonight, I hope if you decide to check out, that you make your bag limit 1.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 22:58 | 3085347 NoControl
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People get caught up in their idealized worlds.  Reality with all its little compromises is no longer good enough.  Too bad that reality is where we all find ourselves.


I personally like reality.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:30 | 3084544 Zap Powerz
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Im just going to throw this out there into the blogosphere to see what kind of ripples it makes:

The recent shooting in Conn was intentionally planned and executed by agents of the federal government in order to create a crisis that would give them the political capital to ban guns.

They failed with Fast and Furious.  They will succeed with infantcide at an elementary.

Ripple away little waves.  Ripple away....

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:57 | 3084647 Ident 7777 economy
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No score; I laid that little bit of disinfo out there yesterday and got no bites ...

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 01:44 | 3085859 forexskin
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ok try this.

-coroner reports that all victims died from .223 (bushmaster) wounds.

-shooter was found dead with two handguns

-.223 was found in trunk of nearby vehicle

-witnesses at shooting reported seeing other camo clad persons running from scene.

added it up yet?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 20:25 | 3084787 vato poco
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I collect conspiracy theories. It's kinda my hobby. If you want to start a 'Newtown' C.T., you'll need to do a little bit more than just throw out a random statement of what you claim to be "fact". Try tossing out something that'll get folks thinking. Something simple, and commonsense. Stuff like, "Why didn't Oswald - a trained USMC marksman - take his shot on Houston St., where his target JFK was faceon & moving *towards* him? Why'd he wait till they got onto Elm St., where the target moved farther away with every passing second, AND there were trees in the way of the shot?" Or "Why haven't the TWA 800 ATC radar tapes ever been released?" Or, as in the case of both the OKC bombing and 9-11, "How is it that in order for the official story to be true, the laws of physics would have had to be suspended, multiple times? How'd they do that?"

THAT'S how you start ripples, my man.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 20:47 | 3084887 Bogdog
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I'm with you on that TWA 800 thing. We don't know the whole story there.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 22:51 | 3085259 trentusa
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i love it--- for the official story to be true how did you manage to get the laws of physics momentarily suspended like that(?); also interesting about the Houston vs Elm st theory. There is an tiny x painted on the ground in dallas to this day on elm street at the spot where jfk died, and the 6th Floor JFK museum is immediately above at the old depository from where oswald supposedly took that shot. I think the x on the ground is BEFORE where oswald would have had a line of sight problem with the trees, but there ARE trees there that jfk would've been approaching w/ some rapidity. I've never heard that before but i'm not goign to forget it now either so let me mull over that slowly for the course of at least six months, look at some film perhaps & decide if that's plausible or not. If true it is a scintillating argument. Ct (or history as i prefer to call it) is also a hobby of mine, well put.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:31 | 3085459 jwoop66
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Something tells me these shootings will now start to happen quarterly until they get their gun ban.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 00:13 | 3085585 Overfed
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Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Even if it could be proven, the libs would still defend O'boma-a and blame it on Bush.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:34 | 3084557 Gmpx
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Gun ownership is expresion of fear. Many people have guns because they fear other people who have guns.

This creates ARMS RACE on domestic level.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:51 | 3084625 seek
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If by "other people" you mean a government not acting in our best interests, you might have a point, though you'd be missing a whole bunch of other valid reasons to own a firearm.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:49 | 3085509 Enslavethechild...
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I am afraid of our criminal government. I'm afraid the people are too stupid to pick up a gun and use it like our founding fathers did against the Redcoats. Cops are the redcoats. Judges are the redcoats. Politicians are the redcoats. Bankers are the redcoats. Our own military are the redcoats.

We're fucked.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 20:11 | 3084689 mendolover
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I beg to differ.  If I didn't have a gun, I'd fear an armed assailant.  If I had a gun, I'd fear them much less.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:57 | 3085537 FEDbuster
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Criminals hate the thought of facing an armed victim.

"Fight Crime, Shoot Back"

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 20:38 | 3084863 Freddie
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We have a police state govt looting the Treasury and destroying the country.  They are using SkyNet drones to kill people in endless wars.  TV and Hollywood cheer them on plus manipulate reality to make you think everything is normal. 

Why should citizens be scared?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:51 | 3085519 Enslavethechild...
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I am terrified. Bankers, when they get complete control of the worlds reserve currecy, are terrorists. Terrorists terrify.

Be afraid. Be very afraid. Be terrified.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:11 | 3085387 Slightly Insane
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Those who own guns are not afraid, particularly if they know how to shoot well.  Guns are "tools".  They allow one to "reach out and touch someone", if they need to.  The 5'-6" (weapon trained) good looking woman does not need to be afraid walking to her car in the dead of night in a suburban parking lot, if she has "the great equalizer", which to any person wishing to do harm to her, would be well advised that it may be the last mistake they ever make.

Evidently from your comment, you are neither a gun owner, nor understand why folks own guns.  People who do not own guns have to rely on other means to deal with dangerous people who might do them (or their families) great harm, martial arts being one possible method.  Trouble is that martial arts takes a great deal of practice, and it requires a certain physique, and alot of work.  It's easier to learn how to shoot, and you can be wheel chair bound and still be able to stop an assailant from smashing your brains in.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:32 | 3085464 jwoop66
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ignorant, you are

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:52 | 3084626 reTARD
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The state (centralized schools, police, military) is useless to the people or at the very least becoming obsolete. It should be treated that way.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 22:58 | 3085346 Anusocracy
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The state is basically anti-progress, anti-civilization, and anti-people.

It directs resources to its own needs, and slaughters people like cattle.

400,000,000 killed by government last century. For what? Like the reason for the Civil War: so government can EXIST.

Nature's ultimate predatory machine - government.


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:14 | 3084471 Careless Whisper
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Max is always pushing for cap and trade carbon taxes. He's a total fraud. Complete bullshit.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:28 | 3084531 The Alarmist
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Max is entertaining, but everyone knows it is the rabid pit-bull Stacy who is the brains behind the show.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:39 | 3084575 Chupacabra-322
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Word on the street is those two are an Item.  Max is humorus.  He looks like an evil Jimmy Fallon.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 20:04 | 3084665 Mr Pink
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The are actually engaged. They announced it a couple months back

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:32 | 3085460 bunnyswanson
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I believe Max has a wedding ring on now.  I hope they live happily ever after.  Congratulations to them both.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:50 | 3084388 francis_sawyer
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We need MORE 'education'... We need MORE 'thought control'... (Please brother ~ Do it for..... drumroll... THE KIDS)...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:09 | 3084454 machineh
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MOAR education -- fixed spelling for you. ;-)

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:29 | 3084537 The Alarmist
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MOAR ... been seeing a lot of that lately.  What's it stand for? Mother of All Retards?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:03 | 3085369 NoControl
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You, my friend, have many cat pictures to view.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:31 | 3084546 JOYFUL
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"Many students, especially those who are poor, intuitively know what the schools do for them. They school them to confuse process and substance. Once these become blurred, a new logic is assumed: the more treatment there is, the better are the results; or, escalation leads to success. The pupil is thereby "schooled" to confuse teaching with learning, grade advancement with education, a diploma with competence, and fluency with the ability to say something new. His imagination is "schooled" to accept service in place of value. Medical treatment is mistaken for health care, social work for the improvement of community life, police protection for safety, military poise for national security, the rat race for productive work. Health, learning, dignity, independence, and creative endeavor are defined as little more than the performance of the institutions which claim to serve these ends, and their improvement is made to depend on allocating more resources to the management of hospitals, schools, and other agencies in question."

"Our society resembles the ultimate machine which I once saw in a New York toy shop. It was a metal casket which, when you touched a switch, snapped open to reveal a mechanical hand. Chromed fingers reached out for the lid, pulled it down, and locked it from the inside. It was a box; you expected to be able to take something out of it; yet all it contained was a mechanism for closing the cover."

-from Deschooling Society\Ivan Illich.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:22 | 3085431 Slightly Insane
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You have demonstrated "awareness".  Thank you for your comments.  I wish there was a way for the unknowing, to read what you've said, and through reflection, understand that they've been sold a bill of goods (by the public school myth, the media (largely), even their friends, family, and parents) which is worthless, and that if they learn to think, question, and develop logic .... that they may see the bullshit in nearly every arguement (study the motive, that's where it starts).

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 02:50 | 3085966 JOYFUL
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I return your compliments, and delight that Ivan Illich's words(the quotes are his) can still reach an audience, some 4 decades after they were written...

however, I fear that for the fulfilment of your meritorious wishes, one has to be, well, "slightly insane"...a category I will happily join you in.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:50 | 3084391 ball-and-chain
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I believe in the 2nd ammendment.

I don't own guns.  But you've got the right to do so.

Nevertheless, is it smart to give them to whack jobs and the autistic?

So what's a boy to do?

I have no idea.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:58 | 3084422 Hugh_Jorgan
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Throw away your TV, homeschool your kids, eat non-gmo food you grow, follow God's ways. Then you have far fewer whack jobs that go on kill sprees. There, fixed it...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:13 | 3085390 Anusocracy
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1) Get rid of forced public education.

2) Exclude all predatory types from society. Allowing them to be in society is no different than allowing other predatory animals to run free where people live. The reason for crime is criminals.



Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:53 | 3085524 Calmyourself
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Just stay in Korea tard, teach your kids some math and fuck the dragon lady if she lets your nuts out of the box.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:50 | 3084393 Hobbleknee
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Public schools are already re-education camps.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:55 | 3084405 Hugh_Jorgan
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There is a cure. Homeschool your kids. Yes, it IS possible if you choose to make it so...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:14 | 3084462 beaglebog
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Ah, just caught your post, Jorgan.


Here, in England, the press railed against "home-schooling" ... implying that it was constructive in the CT killings. I infer that the intent would be to cut off that possible avenue of "escape" from Socialised Education.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:14 | 3084470 francis_sawyer
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Only after you'd gotten one of those 'Minority Report' vitural cinema holograms to tell them how kewl their Nikes & Madden Girls were...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:30 | 3084547 The Alarmist
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Isn't Homeschooling on the list of indicators of a potential terrorist?  Wasn't it a notch or two below paying for your coffee with cash?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 20:44 | 3084881 Things that go bump
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That is kind of funny.  I answered the phone the other day and got a survey.  One of the questions was did I prefer to pay for purchases with a credit card, a debit card, or write a check.  I never use any of those methods except for bills I pay online and online purchases.  They didn't even give me a cash option.  That is when I hung up.  I guess I will never get a free cruise for 2.  

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:55 | 3084409 nmewn
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Stand and say your pledge of allegiance ;-)

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:12 | 3084466 machineh
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I pledge allegiance to the flag

And to the police state for which it stands

One nation, under Obama, indivisible

With permits and penitentiaries for all

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:26 | 3084515 Iocosus
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Speaking of Police State: 60th and 5th in Manhattan today around 1, national guard troops pulled up in U-Haul trucks, confiscated merchandise from street vendors, and placed them into the trucks. Fucking shocking, fucking surreal.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:34 | 3084556 The Alarmist
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Oh yeah ... Posse Comitatus doesn't apply to National Guard.  Did they just want the stuff, or were they actually maintaining law and order?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:38 | 3084566 Iocosus
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They took the shit. Then put the shit in U-Haul trucks. It was bizarre. Where was NYPD, isn't this their job?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:47 | 3084614 The Alarmist
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If you knew the NYARNG, you'd know that a lot of those guys are the police out on training days to build up that good second pension.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:43 | 3084596 nmewn
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The bell rings, you are expected to do the same thing time after time in an orderly fashion just as you are told, like all those around you or there will be authoratative consequences imposed on you, by the state.

Become as one with the state, this will help when you go to work for the state and more readily accept taxation foryour labor. You thought we teach you to work for yourself?

The Prussian education system has adapted itself quite nicely to the US...compulsory, standardized, controlled from the top...its for our own good ;-)


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:51 | 3084394 knukles
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It can't be that bad, after all, if you're pro gun they'll probably have a nice new mental illness outlined for you in the new Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders,so you can get treatment and put on some nice psychotropic meds.

La la la llal  aaa;a  a;msd j  kfdk    phhhhht

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:26 | 3084528 H E D G E H O G
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I had ALL the, (ahem), "Psychotropic meds" i ever needed in the Great '60's, Now i am a multi gun owner, supporter of our fucking Constitutional rights provided by Great men that KNEW our fucking government would descend into this cesspool it has become. All of my kids are grown and live responsible, knowledgeable lives, while ole Pop counts his gold, cleans his guns, and once in awhile, posts on ZH. Long live the Second Ammendment.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:30 | 3084543 Bollixed
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Mental Illness: A major cause of lead poisoning...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 21:52 | 3085114 msmith9962
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It is part of natural selection.  Darwin is coming back and he's pissed his theory has been ignored for so long.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:52 | 3084400 A Lunatic
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On one occasion, so it was narrated, Stalin called for a live chicken and proceeded to use it to make an unforgettable point before some of his henchmen. Forcefully clutching the chicken in one hand, with the other he began to systematically pluck out its feathers. As the chicken struggled in vain to escape, he continued with the painful denuding until the bird was completely stripped. “Now you watch,” Stalin said as he placed the chicken on the floor and walked away with some bread crumbs in his hand. Incredibly, the fear-crazed chicken hobbled toward him and clung to the legs of his trousers. Stalin threw a handful of grain to the bird, and it began to follow him around the room, he turned to his dumbfounded colleagues and said quietly, “This is the way to rule the people. Did you see how that chicken followed me for food, even though I had caused it such torture? People are like that chicken. If you inflict inordinate pain on them they will follow you for food the rest of their lives.”

Ravi Zacharias

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:56 | 3084412 sudzee
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If the chicken had a piece, Stalin would have died after the first feather.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:29 | 3084538 GubbermintWorker
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." -Benjamin Franklin.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 21:14 | 3084937 klockwerks
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Now that was funny. Thanks for the laugh

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:59 | 3084403 Money 4 Nothing
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Re education of what? Are they going to give kids firearms lessons or not to steal Moms guns? Come to find out Dad is kicking up 25 K per month for alimony and child support for years. Fox News .. "investigators found no meds or pdychotrope scripts in the house". I'm at a loss here..

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:03 | 3084441 NoDebt
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Nooooo.... they're going to teach them that guns are evil and have caused the greatest suffering to mankind of anything since a belief in God.  Then they're going to ask all the little darlings if their mommy or daddy owns a gun.  Then those mommies and daddies are going to get a little visit from law enforcement.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:42 | 3084450 Money 4 Nothing
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Agreed.. Initial statements from teachers in that parking lot... "Multiple shooters". Channel 2.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 20:51 | 3084896 JohnG
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They damn near already do that.

My wife is a schoolteacher and a mandated reporter for any sign of child abuse.  The MUST fill out a form (a JL-2) within 24 hours of spotting it.  She's had three such occasions to do so this year.

On this form is a box, asking the question: "Are there any known hazards in the home (i.e. guns, drugs, etc.).

I've got one of the forms.  Took it to my lawyer before she had to fill one out.  Turns out, she is immune from criminal of civil liability as long as the report is made (in good faith).  He also told me that he could bust the "good faith" clause in 10 minutes, and recommended that she resign.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:10 | 3084457 Hype Alert
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Well that explains why some people *cough cough* STFU about the drugs and went back to the 2nd Amend issue.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:29 | 3084533 The Joker
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Because meds are not prescribed for autism or aspergers. 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 23:31 | 3085451 Anusocracy
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Without the Aspergers mind we would still be living in caves.

Mentalism and Mechanism - the twin modes of human cognition

"Much the same applies to mentalistic and mechanistic cognition. Each has its appropriate context. Essentially, what I have proposed is that values of an ethical, aesthetic, political, legal or religious kind have a proper place in mentalistic cognition, which is rightly applied in the humanities; is voluntaristic in its mode of explanation; relates peculiarly to psychological subjectivity; is the basis of mental culture; and is particularistic in the sense that mental life is individually- or socially- determined and culturally-relative. Material facts, on the other hand, relate to mechanistic cognition, which is properly applied in technology and the sciences; is deterministic in its mode of explanation; relates peculiarly to physical objectivity; is the basis of material culture; and is universalistic in the sense that scientific and technological truths are equally valid in all cultural contexts.

What I have tried to do here is to show that the fact/value problem is part of this much larger picture and finds new and unexpected insights in the study of autism and paranoia, as well as in normal sex differences in cognition. Essentially, I have argued that human cognition employs two distinct, non-commensurate and in many ways incompatible modes, each appropriate and reliable in its specific domain, but prone to fallacious or unreliable outputs if employed in the other. If I have succeeded in clarifying the differences between what I have termed mentalism and mechanism for want of better terms, I hope that I will have thereby contributed something - however small - to the avoidance of confusion between them in the future.

One virtue of this way of looking at things is that it would discourage religious, political and moral credulity, bigotry and fanaticism of all kinds by cutting mentalism down to size, so to speak. This is because all such reactions are quintessentially mentalistic, and according to this analysis, mentalism is just another human adaptation: the psychological equivalent of something like striding bipedalism, rather than some god-given, specially- created or necessarily-evolved spiritual superiority. (To use one of the few good analogies in another species, you might see mentalism as a means of communication and interaction as peculiar to our species and as quaint in its symbolism as the waggle-dance is to bees.)

Seeing culture as essentially mentalistic would also reduce literary and artistic snobbery and elitism, and would help to counter emotive, phobic and irrational reactions to scientific and technological innovation. Finally, understanding and accepting the mentalistic deficits of mechanistic thinking would also help to limit social exclusion, prejudice and misunderstanding of autistics of all kinds. Indeed, such a change in attitude might confer a new and special esteem on those who, like William Hamilton, have arguably contributed the most of lasting worth to our species as a whole through their work in engineering, technology, and science."


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 20:13 | 3084708 Money 4 Nothing
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Sorry, but he wasn't the shooter.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:56 | 3084411 NoDebt
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"Is this really the point we have come to in America?  Where hack journalists feel no qualms about openly calling for the execution of political propaganda in public schools to manipulate little kids into believing what the establishment wants them to believe?"


Guess where we are in the cycle from libery to tyranny?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:57 | 3084419 A Lunatic
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Watering time?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:06 | 3084436 Money 4 Nothing
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That tree of Libety is wilting. Search: Thinking Anew. Think and do tank. >


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:03 | 3084437 Yen Cross
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 If these clowns had their way, we would all be walking around with tattoos on our wrists.

 I'm sure everyone has caught this piece of recent thuggary. Wear radio chip or leave, school tells students


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:16 | 3084480 GoinFawr
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YC don't take this the wrong way: but no thanks on the malware link.

Also, since when do you use words like "thuggary"?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:22 | 3084499 Jendrzejczyk
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There are two Yen's.

Try to love them both.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:52 | 3084627 GoinFawr
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That's so cute. But noted, thanks. I'll call him

 Yen is Cross

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:31 | 3084535 Yen Cross
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 That's no malware link/ I have great controls on my system. Don't you have something better to do? Planning for an impending apocalypse perhaps...

  If my vernacular is substandard, why did you open the link in the first place? Or, are you being presumptuous?


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:55 | 3084609 GoinFawr
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Well, so much for you 'not taking my comment the wrong way'. Yen's vernacular has always been different, but the content had quality.

And your infallible controls tain't working, that link is tainted.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:56 | 3084646 Yen Cross
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I took your comment just the way you intended it. Had you been in my presence, it may have helped your argument.

 The link is safe, and you are the only one complaining. I realize that you are starved for attention, so here is your 5 seconds.....


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 20:06 | 3084664 GoinFawr
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 it's the site, not the link. amirite?

have a nice day ./



Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:02 | 3084438 Ralph Spoilsport
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The media onslaught has made it really hard for most people to feel comfortable saying anything in support of 2nd amendment issues right now. I'm so fed up with this shit....

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:10 | 3084458 bunnyswanson
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The media is a propaganda machine.  This video has had 50,000 new viewers in under 1 week.  Let's hope it spreads the message of why the right to protect oneself is necessary. - Betrayal of Innocents - History of Gun Control Globally (57 mins)

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:16 | 3084483 Randall Cabot
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They're even hiring actors to pose as victims fathers to cry on TV.


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:34 | 3084559 lakecity55
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It is actually quite educational to watch how the concerted, full-court press of Prpaganda is being concentrated on this 1 subject!

PC police are going to attack "gun owners" with the most vicious assault you have ever seen.

Do not let them get to you. Keep loading those mags!

I think we are going to see massive, unbeleiveable amounts of Astroturfed Protestors, and soon.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 20:41 | 3084867 Freddie
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TV and Hollywood trying to disarm you and take away any freedom you have.

If you watch it - you support them.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 20:04 | 3084634 mendolover
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I can't quite decide if this is significant, or is it the fact that people are intimidated by network cameras because they put so much credence in the MSM.  Oooo, look everone, I'm going to be on Anderson Cooper tonight!  Something definetely smells though.

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