The Section Preventing Indefinite Detention of Americans Without Trial Removed From Final NDAA Bill

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Via Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

While the Feinstein-Lee Amendment wasn’t perfect, it was a small step forward as I outlined in my piece:  My Thoughts on the Feinstein-Lee Amendment to the NDAA.  Amazingly, this small victory has been stripped out of the final bill by our “representatives.”  If this doesn’t prove without a shadow of a doubt that this government is criminal and wants the power to lock up citizens without trial I don’t know what will.  From the Huffington Post:

WASHINGTON — Congress stripped a provision Tuesday from a defense bill that aimed to shield Americans from the possibility of being imprisoned indefinitely without trial by the military. The provision was replaced with a passage that appears to give citizens little protection from indefinite detention.


The new provision appears to do little, because the Supreme Court has already declared that the writ of habeas corpus — requiring that someone be presented to a judge — applies to all people. The more difficult part of whether people deserve a trial remains unsettled, and the new provision does not appear to resolve it.

Could their intentions be any more clear?

Full article here.

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Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:47 | 3083037 catacl1sm
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Very nice. NOT!

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:49 | 3083046 Buckaroo Banzai
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Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:53 | 3083077 hedgeless_horseman
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Is this another one of those bills that gets signed on Christmas Eve?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:57 | 3083096 Manthong
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Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:58 | 3083102 Pladizow
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36 have been accused of spousal abuse

7 have been arrested for fraud

19 have been accused of writing bad checks

117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

3 have done time for assault

71, I repeat71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit

14 have been arrested on drug-related charges

8 have been arrested! for shoplifting

21currently are defendants in lawsuits,


84have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year!

Can you guess which organization this is?
Is it the NBA or NFL?

Neither, it's the 535 members of the United States Congress

The same group of Idiots that crank out hundreds of new laws each year
designed to keep the rest of us in line.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:00 | 3083120 Manthong
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needed another moment to get the edit in..

So at least there is another retirement option available now..

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:12 | 3083154 TruthInSunshine
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Life In KronyKonmrade AmerikanTechniColor

by: Big Brother & Big 'Sis

There's a Stellar Wind blowing,
Down the corner of my street
Every night there the drones are circling

There's a propaganda war coming,
On the radio I heard
Baby it's such a 1984 world

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:20 | 3083187 Xibalba
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About that 2nd ammendment....hmmm

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:31 | 3083231 MillionDollarBonus_
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Interviews with average Americans 

What do average Americans want from their government?

John Dartwood, age 59, AL

America needs to start facing the hard reality of the threat of terroristic activity in this country. Terrorism is foreign AND domestic. There's terrorism everywhere, not just overseas. If somebody criticized our foreign policy, that's terrorism. If somebody threatened our government or the CYA, that's terrorism. It's a mindset - you got to see the threats to America before you can see it. Terrorism is serious business. We need to increase our national security and support our military. Terrorists are ruthless, and our national security measures need to be ruthless too. 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:03 | 3083354 TruthInSunshine
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I find that reading the actual, real opinions of naive sheople that you post is cathartic, in a comedy club sort of way, MDB.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 16:56 | 3084069 Things that go bump
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If you change the word terrorist in these debates to witch, I think you will find the beginnings of a similar dynamic at work here as there was during the great witch burnings of 1450-1750 when whole towns were wiped out.

Once you are labeled, it won't be just the named "terrorists" they round up.  I believe they will round up everybody they find at home, the better to instill terror in the rest of the population.  People will learn to keep their mouth shut and their heads down if they are endangering more than themselves.  If tortured to give up names of associates, remember, a useful tactic used during the great witch burnings of 1450 - 1750 was to name the parents, siblings, spouses, and children of town officials and other important people.  It probably won't save you, but you might have postmortum revenge.  Cold comfort.  

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 17:33 | 3084157 Abitdodgie
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People will learn to shoot police from a long distance.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:04 | 3083135 Stoploss
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Ha ha!! Nice one!

Take that! You fucking fascists!

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:04 | 3083362 lakecity55
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Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:25 | 3083214 FeralSerf
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All 535 of them have at least indirectly bankrupted a hell of a lot more than 2 businesses.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:14 | 3083281 XitSam
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Source please?  It isn't that I don't believe it possible, but there are a lot of internet memes that are just made up.

Edit: Snopes There are times that I have found Snopes to be less that reliable but this seems to have been floating around since 2007.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:40 | 3083504 Raymond K Hessel
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It isn't that I don't believe you but if we could get support for each of these it would make a great facebook update.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:32 | 3083477 Milton Freewater
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I bet a fella could write a damn interesting book listing all of the shady shit passed just before christmas and new years.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:53 | 3083078 Zer0head
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black site


when they come for you which would you choose

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:19 | 3083183 ITrustMyGut
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thisisnt about the BS dem vs. repubs fake arguements...


this is the people vs the king ( the king metaphorically being the SYSTEM )

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:05 | 3083368 Ignatius
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These shits in DC think that they are what's worth defending in America.

Man, this is gonna be a long day.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:45 | 3083518 Harbanger
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"thisisnt about the BS dem vs. repubs fake arguements..."

But it just happens to be that Diane Feinstein is a San Fransicko Democrat.  Look Nanny Bloomberg said he was a Republican, before he extended his own term limits and became independent.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:34 | 3083264 FrankDrakman
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When they kick out your front door, how you gonna come?

With your hands on your head, or on the trigger of your gun?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:54 | 3083322 Things that go bump
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"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you'd be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur--what if it had been driven off or its tires spikes?

The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if... We didn't love freedom enough..."

Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago (1973). Excerpt from Footnote 5, Chapter 1.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:22 | 3084498 Seer
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And the Jews who resisted the Nazis had the highest survival rate...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 17:13 | 3084122 FrankDrakman
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figure I'd add the rest for those who don't follow the link:


When they kick out your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun

When the law break in
How you gonna go?
Shot down on the pavement
Or waiting in death row You can crush us
You can bruise us
But you'll have to answer to
Oh, Guns of Brixton -From the Clash's "guns of brixton", 1977

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:54 | 3083080 General Decline
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Somewhere out there, there is a "D" ring welded to the floor of a rail road car with all our names on it.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:56 | 3083088 hedgeless_horseman
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Stick a diamond file up your ass, now, so you will be ready. 

STRAUSS & CO. offers a comprehensive range of diamond files in various shapes and grit sizes.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:57 | 3083098 Buckaroo Banzai
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Pro Tip: wind a sheet of bubble wrap around it before insertion!

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:13 | 3083118 hedgeless_horseman
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To each his own.  Here is my choice...

STRAUSS & CO.'s extra slim Needle Files allow easy excess to complicated areas. They are used for grinding different metals and hard materials such as: Tungsten Carbide, Steels of 40 Hrc and harder, ceramic materials, glass etc.

Makes an excellent stocking stuffer, so to speak.  One should probably put a cork on that sharp tip, as you cannot be too careful when dealing with such "delicate" matters.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:22 | 3083195 Zer0head
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I wonder if this state trooper would have been able to find it in either of these two womens body cavities

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:04 | 3083137 pods
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Any ideas if we missed your little suggestion?


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:17 | 3083177 hedgeless_horseman
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Yes, of course!  This guy's technique is guaranteed to work, too.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:17 | 3083178 Coldsun
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Lot's of laxatives and a rag to bite on.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:23 | 3083444 Sketch
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speaking from experience?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:42 | 3083290 Ookspay
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If they offer, pass on the shower...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:23 | 3084501 Seer
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Rail car, hm... perhaps that's why Buffett bought up rail?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:56 | 3083085 Pladizow
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Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:56 | 3083095 SMG
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Sadly, not enough people understand or care about their freedom anymore. I hope that changes soon.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:54 | 3083565 zerozulu
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Every thing will be taken care of the moment $ goes down the drain.

So my contribution is " zero$ for Christmas shopping".

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:58 | 3083101 El Oregonian
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There, fixed it....

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:05 | 3083136 Ookspay
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Indefinite detention of American citizens is back.

And final passage of the bill will be voted on TODAY.

If the statists succeed in passing the NDAA, the federal government will be given the authority to lock up Americans and throw away the key, Buhbye Habeus Corpus...

Call your douchebag Senator NOW at 202-224-3121
And while you're at it, give Senator McCain a call at (202) 224-2235.

Tell him our Bill of Rights is not something that can be cherry-picked at his convenience - and demand he stop shredding our Constitution.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:38 | 3083271 swamp
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Douche bag? It's filled with the stinky stuff from men.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:25 | 3083211 azzhatter
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and they wonder why gun sales are skyrocketing

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:48 | 3083039 duo
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450 million rounds of hollow point can't be wrong

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:55 | 3083087 1100-TACTICAL-12
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" A Republic if you can keep it " It appears we have failed.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:58 | 3083105 Buckaroo Banzai
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"Day ain't over, yet."

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:11 | 3083653 DosZap
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" A Republic if you can keep it " It appears we have failed.

The battle has not even begun bro, cheer up.

90 million plus cannot be all cowards.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 16:11 | 3083907 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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"They hate us for our freedoms", that applied to a country called America. But what we have become is something else altogether. Maybe name it "Serf-ia", or "Surveill-istan"...or maybe "Gun-Nut-ia"

but the name "America" no longer applies I'm afraid

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