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The Section Preventing Indefinite Detention of Americans Without Trial Removed From Final NDAA Bill

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Via Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

While the Feinstein-Lee Amendment wasn’t perfect, it was a small step forward as I outlined in my piece:  My Thoughts on the Feinstein-Lee Amendment to the NDAA.  Amazingly, this small victory has been stripped out of the final bill by our “representatives.”  If this doesn’t prove without a shadow of a doubt that this government is criminal and wants the power to lock up citizens without trial I don’t know what will.  From the Huffington Post:

WASHINGTON — Congress stripped a provision Tuesday from a defense bill that aimed to shield Americans from the possibility of being imprisoned indefinitely without trial by the military. The provision was replaced with a passage that appears to give citizens little protection from indefinite detention.


The new provision appears to do little, because the Supreme Court has already declared that the writ of habeas corpus — requiring that someone be presented to a judge — applies to all people. The more difficult part of whether people deserve a trial remains unsettled, and the new provision does not appear to resolve it.

Could their intentions be any more clear?

Full article here.


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Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:47 | 3083037 catacl1sm
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Very nice. NOT!

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:49 | 3083046 Buckaroo Banzai
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Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:53 | 3083077 hedgeless_horseman
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Is this another one of those bills that gets signed on Christmas Eve?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:57 | 3083096 Manthong
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Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:58 | 3083102 Pladizow
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36 have been accused of spousal abuse

7 have been arrested for fraud

19 have been accused of writing bad checks

117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

3 have done time for assault

71, I repeat71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit

14 have been arrested on drug-related charges

8 have been arrested! for shoplifting

21currently are defendants in lawsuits,


84have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year!

Can you guess which organization this is?
Is it the NBA or NFL?

Neither, it's the 535 members of the United States Congress

The same group of Idiots that crank out hundreds of new laws each year
designed to keep the rest of us in line.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:00 | 3083120 Manthong
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needed another moment to get the edit in..

So at least there is another retirement option available now..

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:12 | 3083154 TruthInSunshine
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Life In KronyKonmrade AmerikanTechniColor

by: Big Brother & Big 'Sis

There's a Stellar Wind blowing,
Down the corner of my street
Every night there the drones are circling

There's a propaganda war coming,
On the radio I heard
Baby it's such a 1984 world

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:20 | 3083187 Xibalba
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About that 2nd ammendment....hmmm

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:31 | 3083231 MillionDollarBonus_
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Interviews with average Americans 

What do average Americans want from their government?

John Dartwood, age 59, AL

America needs to start facing the hard reality of the threat of terroristic activity in this country. Terrorism is foreign AND domestic. There's terrorism everywhere, not just overseas. If somebody criticized our foreign policy, that's terrorism. If somebody threatened our government or the CYA, that's terrorism. It's a mindset - you got to see the threats to America before you can see it. Terrorism is serious business. We need to increase our national security and support our military. Terrorists are ruthless, and our national security measures need to be ruthless too. 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:03 | 3083354 TruthInSunshine
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I find that reading the actual, real opinions of naive sheople that you post is cathartic, in a comedy club sort of way, MDB.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 16:56 | 3084069 Things that go bump
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If you change the word terrorist in these debates to witch, I think you will find the beginnings of a similar dynamic at work here as there was during the great witch burnings of 1450-1750 when whole towns were wiped out.

Once you are labeled, it won't be just the named "terrorists" they round up.  I believe they will round up everybody they find at home, the better to instill terror in the rest of the population.  People will learn to keep their mouth shut and their heads down if they are endangering more than themselves.  If tortured to give up names of associates, remember, a useful tactic used during the great witch burnings of 1450 - 1750 was to name the parents, siblings, spouses, and children of town officials and other important people.  It probably won't save you, but you might have postmortum revenge.  Cold comfort.  

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 17:33 | 3084157 Abitdodgie
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People will learn to shoot police from a long distance.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:04 | 3083135 Stoploss
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Ha ha!! Nice one!

Take that! You fucking fascists!

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:04 | 3083362 lakecity55
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Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:25 | 3083214 FeralSerf
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All 535 of them have at least indirectly bankrupted a hell of a lot more than 2 businesses.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:14 | 3083281 XitSam
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Source please?  It isn't that I don't believe it possible, but there are a lot of internet memes that are just made up.

Edit: Snopes There are times that I have found Snopes to be less that reliable but this seems to have been floating around since 2007.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:40 | 3083504 Raymond K Hessel
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It isn't that I don't believe you but if we could get support for each of these it would make a great facebook update.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:32 | 3083477 Milton Freewater
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I bet a fella could write a damn interesting book listing all of the shady shit passed just before christmas and new years.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:53 | 3083078 Zer0head
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black site


when they come for you which would you choose

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:19 | 3083183 ITrustMyGut
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thisisnt about the BS dem vs. repubs fake arguements...


this is the people vs the king ( the king metaphorically being the SYSTEM )

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:05 | 3083368 Ignatius
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These shits in DC think that they are what's worth defending in America.

Man, this is gonna be a long day.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:45 | 3083518 Harbanger
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"thisisnt about the BS dem vs. repubs fake arguements..."

But it just happens to be that Diane Feinstein is a San Fransicko Democrat.  Look Nanny Bloomberg said he was a Republican, before he extended his own term limits and became independent.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:34 | 3083264 FrankDrakman
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When they kick out your front door, how you gonna come?

With your hands on your head, or on the trigger of your gun?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:54 | 3083322 Things that go bump
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"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you'd be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur--what if it had been driven off or its tires spikes?

The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if... We didn't love freedom enough..."

Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago (1973). Excerpt from Footnote 5, Chapter 1.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:22 | 3084498 Seer
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And the Jews who resisted the Nazis had the highest survival rate...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 17:13 | 3084122 FrankDrakman
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figure I'd add the rest for those who don't follow the link:


When they kick out your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun

When the law break in
How you gonna go?
Shot down on the pavement
Or waiting in death row You can crush us
You can bruise us
But you'll have to answer to
Oh, Guns of Brixton -From the Clash's "guns of brixton", 1977

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:54 | 3083080 General Decline
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Somewhere out there, there is a "D" ring welded to the floor of a rail road car with all our names on it.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:56 | 3083088 hedgeless_horseman
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Stick a diamond file up your ass, now, so you will be ready. 

STRAUSS & CO. offers a comprehensive range of diamond files in various shapes and grit sizes.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:57 | 3083098 Buckaroo Banzai
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Pro Tip: wind a sheet of bubble wrap around it before insertion!

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:13 | 3083118 hedgeless_horseman
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To each his own.  Here is my choice...

STRAUSS & CO.'s extra slim Needle Files allow easy excess to complicated areas. They are used for grinding different metals and hard materials such as: Tungsten Carbide, Steels of 40 Hrc and harder, ceramic materials, glass etc.

Makes an excellent stocking stuffer, so to speak.  One should probably put a cork on that sharp tip, as you cannot be too careful when dealing with such "delicate" matters.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:22 | 3083195 Zer0head
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I wonder if this state trooper would have been able to find it in either of these two womens body cavities

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:04 | 3083137 pods
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Any ideas if we missed your little suggestion?


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:17 | 3083177 hedgeless_horseman
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Yes, of course!  This guy's technique is guaranteed to work, too.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:17 | 3083178 Coldsun
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Lot's of laxatives and a rag to bite on.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:23 | 3083444 Sketch
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speaking from experience?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:42 | 3083290 Ookspay
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If they offer, pass on the shower...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:23 | 3084501 Seer
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Rail car, hm... perhaps that's why Buffett bought up rail?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:56 | 3083085 Pladizow
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Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:56 | 3083095 SMG
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Sadly, not enough people understand or care about their freedom anymore. I hope that changes soon.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:54 | 3083565 zerozulu
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Every thing will be taken care of the moment $ goes down the drain.

So my contribution is " zero$ for Christmas shopping".

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:58 | 3083101 El Oregonian
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There, fixed it....

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:05 | 3083136 Ookspay
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Indefinite detention of American citizens is back.

And final passage of the bill will be voted on TODAY.

If the statists succeed in passing the NDAA, the federal government will be given the authority to lock up Americans and throw away the key, Buhbye Habeus Corpus...

Call your douchebag Senator NOW at 202-224-3121
And while you're at it, give Senator McCain a call at (202) 224-2235.

Tell him our Bill of Rights is not something that can be cherry-picked at his convenience - and demand he stop shredding our Constitution.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:38 | 3083271 swamp
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Douche bag? It's filled with the stinky stuff from men.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:25 | 3083211 azzhatter
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and they wonder why gun sales are skyrocketing

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:48 | 3083039 duo
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450 million rounds of hollow point can't be wrong

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:55 | 3083087 1100-TACTICAL-12
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" A Republic if you can keep it " It appears we have failed.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:58 | 3083105 Buckaroo Banzai
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"Day ain't over, yet."

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:11 | 3083653 DosZap
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" A Republic if you can keep it " It appears we have failed.

The battle has not even begun bro, cheer up.

90 million plus cannot be all cowards.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 16:11 | 3083907 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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"They hate us for our freedoms", that applied to a country called America. But what we have become is something else altogether. Maybe name it "Serf-ia", or "Surveill-istan"...or maybe "Gun-Nut-ia"

but the name "America" no longer applies I'm afraid

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:03 | 3083129 kralizec
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Doh!  I am well short of matching that!

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:07 | 3083144 Hacked Economy
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A relative of mine called to say he's been looking online all over the place for 30-rd mags and special ammo for one of his "black guns", and they're sold out all over due to the hysteria over the upcoming Obama-gun-control.

Get yours while you can.  I have a feeling that this time, the new gun/ammo/mag control laws will stick and stay with us.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:06 | 3083638 MachoMan
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There is no getting any longer...  best of luck to find any, in stock, anywhere...  the only thing to do at this point is to pre-order the next batch and hope your name is high enough up on the list...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 17:08 | 3084110 Ookspay
Thu, 12/20/2012 - 17:48 | 3084210 Abitdodgie
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I have a feeling that this time, the new gun/ammo/mag control laws will stick and stay with us. 


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:22 | 3083170 scatterbrains
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We at the DHS are preparing to round up terrorists within our borders. Once we consolidate your IRA's we will go after anyone who's purchased gold or  guns in the last decade. These people are classified as Ron Paul terrorist.  We care not whether you lost it in a boating accident.. you can sit in your jail cell until you remember where you lost it.. there will be no hearing, no trial, nothing... do you remember now ?

edit: /sark

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:50 | 3083052 EscapeKey
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Indefinite detention for "the representatives". Let them lie in the bed they so readily make.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:21 | 3083189 nonclaim
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True. The most supporting useful idiots are usually the first to meet detention and firing squads... history will make another round it seems.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:32 | 3083250 Coldsun
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Well, they shit where they eat so I'd love to see what their beds look like.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:52 | 3083059 El Oregonian
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POOF! Now we're all considered TERRORIST...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:52 | 3083063 q99x2
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Time to run. I mean jog.

Keep fighting the fight. Feinstein will get rid of your guns before she gets rid of you. That is the best we can hope for these days.

Maybe the military is already blackmailing the politicians into killing us.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:22 | 3083198 spankfish
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Those seen running will be shot.  Those seen jogging will be shot twice.  Once for jogging and once for jogging to slow.  Site picture and target acquisition is everything.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:41 | 3083288 pods
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Anyone who moves is VC.  Anyone who stands still, is a well disciplined VC.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:51 | 3083064 ghengis86
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At least Obama will pretend he has reservations about the bill...right before he signs it. Then off to the choomwagon

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:59 | 3083114 JustPrintMoreDuh
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Might even go all out and shed a tear ... 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:59 | 3083067 Ghordius
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Habeas Corpus? One of the few things that are sane in the Olde English Common Law system?

There was an American lawyer that tried to stimulate the UN to put together a "World Habeas Corpus", btw

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:53 | 3083068 francis_sawyer
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The more shit like this happens ~ The more it proves that they're scared shitless of the populace...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:52 | 3083072 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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"We the People", needs to get off his fat lazy as-.

Maybe needs a good kick there first.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:54 | 3083073 haskelslocal
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Your explanation of it certainly isn't clear.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:54 | 3083082 Spider
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Does anybody know where I can buy a call option on large, grey, nameless prisons?  I think we have our investment theme for 2013!

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:54 | 3083083 cherry picker
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Looks like the people who fought for freedom in the past are losing the war and the government is out of control.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:06 | 3083641 DosZap
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Time for all REAL Americans, to break out the old Negro slave songs,

"Nobody kno de trouble ah Seen".

All we Cracka's need to learn to say ,Yasssuh Masssa.

Time to start planning your departures, and make sure you "DO NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT"

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:54 | 3083086 ZFiNX
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We are all sitting ducks, now. Get ready.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:55 | 3083089 ALANBEEKMAN

>>>>>>450 million rounds of hollow point can't be wrong.

Makes one wonder what TPTB are planning for; global economic collapse, gun confiscation and the subsequent civil war over that attempt, or nationalizing the ammunition manufacturers. Probably all three or more...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:31 | 3084548 Seer
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Might have been just another stupid attempt at jacking up GDP (that and or someone's relative is in the business).

More seriously, it might suggest an even scarier scenario, and that's that they might fear a disruption in manufacturing: something that they know and ain't talking about.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:55 | 3083090 HD
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I'm sure this law will only be used on "bad" people.

Since I'm undoubtedly one of the "good" people (my mother will assure you that I'm a very good boy) I'm sure I have nothing to worry about...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:58 | 3083107 EscapeKey
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I read the other day that apparently a third of all teenagers carry semi-/naked pictures of themselves on their mobile phones.

So all the authorities have to do is random stop & search of teenagers, and there you go - a third of the future workforce is branded "sex offenders".

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:26 | 3083216 DeadFinks
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Are you sure you're a good boy by govt standards?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:57 | 3083092 buzzsaw99
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the pigs are meticulously documenting their criminal actions so the trials and subsequent hangings should be expedient when the time comes

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:14 | 3083410 Things that go bump
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I think it is important that they have a fair trial before they are hung.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:59 | 3083109 Darth Mul
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Never mind this stuff - those behind the President are not likely to rely on even the color of law much longer.


Consider shifting focus to the potential nomines for CIA head.


And for Dept. of Defense.


All you really need to know about power in the American government and its intersection with media you can learn by watching how the ballad of Chuck Hagel gets played out.


Pay attention to this one, fellas.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:19 | 3083267 JR
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The latest developments in this story apparently are that the anti-Hagel forces have decided their best tactic would be to support an alternative candidate for Secretary of Defense, Michele Flournoy, on the grounds that Hagel is a white male and a female Secretary of Defense would give Obama additional diversity points.

The next shoe to drop, however, is the possible beginning of support for Hagel from the White House, suggesting that Hagel’s “anti-Israeli” positions are not real, and that Obama is a strong supporter of Israel and it would be his policies that would be in place.

Conventional wisdom has it that should Hagel actually be nominated, that with his time in the Senate his strong associations there would carry him to confirmation.

The interesting aspect here is why Obama would be making this move at this time. Hagel is the recipient of two Purple Hearts and would be a former veteran, not a general but an enlisted man, occupying the post of Secretary of Defense and would be a difficult man to criticize by almost anyone in the military.

Hopefully, this is a fight that will hit the front pages, for when it does, it is a long overdue examination of Israel’s control of U.S. foreign policy, a prospect long overdue, and of the US Congress.

One can only hope that the so-called rift between the Obama Administration and Netanyahu has produced a Chuck Hagel nomination. And who can deny that what America needs most in this discussion is a constant repetition of Hagel’s famous declaration:

“I am not an Israeli senator. I am a U.S. senator.”

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:15 | 3083671 Disenchanted
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from your link:

The Weekly Standard’s William Kristol


Part of the problem, not the solution...I absolutely loathe that smarmy little cunt.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:24 | 3083719 WillyGroper
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>>>>>which means Israel would have carte blanche over any U.S. policy involving Israel.

They already do.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:35 | 3084341 Bay of Pigs
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When was the last time a sitting US President or anyone in Congress blasted Israel or AIPAC about anything?


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:35 | 3084563 Seer
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Goes hand-in-hand with the US "defense" contractors (and the Christian Right).

Fucking idiots, always so wound up in attacking something that they loath that they become just like that which they attack.  The Power Trap...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:59 | 3083111 alien-IQ
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No nation gets the government they want. Every nation gets the government they deserve.

All we are seeing here is what has been long predicted and proven to be fact: What we allow or government to do abroad, we invite them to do at home.

Everyone's morals are defined by what we allow to happen to others. Americans remained silent when the US implemented this policy abroad, now they must take it in the ass at home because they were complicit by virtue of their lack of opposition to government policy.

Saying nothing is as political an act as saying something.

Don't complain about this new asked for it.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:22 | 3083199 lunaticfringe
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I liked this comment so much, I am going to repost it. Garcia.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:26 | 3083217 New England Patriot
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Pretty insightful.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:48 | 3083817 Radical Marijuana
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No doubt you are right, alien-IQ.

"What we allow our government to do abroad, we invite them to do at home."

As above, so below. As without, so within. And, the lies are different at every level.

We are surely headed toward genocidal war, along with democidal martial law.

I am not aware of anything realistic and practical that could be done to arrest that.

The entire social system is fraud, backed by force, growing to astronomical size!

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:42 | 3084583 Seer
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You cannot have an equal equation with "government" on one side and "people" (and what they want) on the other.

Power corrupts.

All governments centralize/concentrate power.

Governments (then) = FAIL!

If you have a rat problem you are best served (the ONLY long-term solution) by eliminating their food source.  Asking them to eat something else, or trapping them, just wastes a lot of precious energy and resources.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:00 | 3083116 pods
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Why were we ever under the assumption that they would follow rules?

I know I don't think for a minute that "a law" will protect anyone from those in power.


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 12:59 | 3083117 Jason T
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This goes against the Bible.. even Cain received a trial by God after he killed his brother ..

Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?" "I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?"

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:02 | 3083127 JR
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In order to have a world government with a banking cartel in charge, the force of a strong US freedom-loving people must be restricted. So, the current approach is to shred the guarantees made under the US Constitution.

Today we see the removal of protection for US citizens against arrest and detention without trial. And this comes on the heels of radicals clamoring for complete restrictions on the Second Amendment, the right to keep and bear arms.

Already, Congress’s authority to control the currency is forfeited and its responsibility to declare war abandoned. When the Constitution is gone, only a world’s policeman remains.

And that policeman will not be a philosopher like Plato. It will be a man like Trotsky.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 19:47 | 3084610 Seer
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Way to help perpetuate the misuse of the word "radical!"

If you're on fire I'll be sure not to dump water on you (or wrap you in a blanket to smother the fire) because that would be a radical action.

Keep juicing it up and then anyone "right winger" painted as a "radical" will be shot on sight too.

As far are this all ensuing a NWO, I'll repeat what I've been saying for YEARS: It WON'T happen; the reason being is that there is insufficient energy to maintain such a system (in the face of both entropy and counter forces).

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:04 | 3083138 Global Hunter
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Barbara Boxer has stated that she wants to expand the COPS program and will propose a bill to allow the National Guard to be posted in schools to free up police for policing duties.

Boxer announced a related bill during the news conference. It would increase the number of security cameras and metal detectors in schools under the Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) program administered by the Justice Department.


My first thought was that Barbara and her handlers are going to be making a lot of money building and selling these cameras and metal detectors.

My second thought was: Michael Bloomber, Diane Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer, it is mainly Jewish people leading the political charge for gun control and futher militarization of the US police state.  Did it never occur to any of these Jewish people that it was in FACT a militarized centralized police state coupled with a cowering defencless population in Germany resulted in the Holocaust.  The same holocaust that I hear about every day of my life and how we can never let it happen again.

They cannot be this stupid can they...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:52 | 3083150 francis_sawyer
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They can't understand why everybody is repulsed by them as a cultural subset... Last time I checked, the Amish [for instance] had no need or purpose to invest in an Anti Defamation League...

Here's a clue: Stop actively doing things that makes everyone want to hate you (like stealing their wealth)... & maybe they'll actually like you (or at minimum, leave you alone)... If you try and help people (instead of connive around to try & steal what they earned through hard work), generally, it's hard for you to be disliked...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:47 | 3083525 Thisson
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The tsarist police, in alliance with the landowners and the capitalists, organised pogroms against the Jews. The landowners and capitalists tried to divert the hatred of the workers and peasants who were tortured by want against the Jews. ... It is not the Jews who are the enemies of the working people. The enemies of the workers are the capitalists of all countries. Among the Jews there are working people, and they form the majority. They are our brothers, who, like us, are oppressed by capital; they are our comrades in the struggle for socialism. ... The capitalists strive to sow and foment hatred between workers of different faiths, different nations and different races. ... Rich Jews, like rich Russians, and the rich in all countries, are in alliance to oppress, crush, rob, and disunite the workers. ... Shame on those who foment hatred towards the Jews, who foment hatred towards other nations

~Vladimir Lenin

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:56 | 3083821 francis_sawyer
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More misguided rhetoric by Lenin (a Jew himself)...


All the fuck Lenin cared about was to STEAL WEALTH (from the Tsar, in this case)... and spread propaganda that the motivation was to 're-distribute wealth' to the oppressed populace [which ~ in fact wasn'teven a historically unique idea, as it's rather EASY to get the 99% to gang up on the 1%]...

Instead ~ all Lenin really cared about was to get a bunch of oppressed (consisting of jews & other types, but conveniently MASKING the jew dominance... &... conveniently set himself (& his cronies) up as 'KINGS' of the new order...

His intentions were no more or less noble than the Tsar or his family or heritage...

Jew logic (over the past couple of centuries is to identify prosperity & then subvert the thinking of the populace which are the engine of that prosperity... & steal the wealth for themselves)... The story ends there... 


BTW... Congrats ~ Nobody can DOWN ARROW your bullshit comment because you started with italics in your comment...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 17:50 | 3084215 Rapada
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Up Arrow from me

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:57 | 3084417 francis_sawyer
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Yeah people... Take it from this guy... after all... THE LESS YOU KNOW THE BETTER...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:03 | 3083626 zerozulu
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I can feel change in the air. And this change happened 212 times before. Probability of 213th time is....100%.

Can't blame every one, all the time.


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:47 | 3083812 Disenchanted
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On December 17, 1862, General Ulysses S. Grant wrote to the Assistant Adjutant General of the US Army:

"I have long since believed that in spite of all the vigilance that can be infused into post commanders, the specie regulations of the Treasury Department have been violated, and that mostly by the Jews and other unprincipled traders. So well satisfied have I been of this that I instructed the commanding officer at Columbus to refuse all permits to Jews to come South, and I have frequently had them expelled from the department. But they come in with their carpet-sacks in spite of all that can be done to prevent it. The Jews seem to be a privileged class that can travel anywhere. They will land at any woodyard on the river and make their way through the country. If not permitted to buy cotton themselves, they will act as agents for someone else, who will be at a military post with a Treasury permit to receive cotton and pay for it in Treasury notes which the Jew will buy at an agreed rate, paying gold."


How many countries/cities have Jews been expelled from over centuries? Maybe it's like the woman who's been married umpteen times blaming the men(or vice versa). Maybe it's not the men, but the woman who's the

I grew up around many Amish, they are generally a very humble and pleasant people and don't project an air of superiority over others like the tribe in question here. The Amish also didn't go around informing everyone just how much smarter and harder working they were as compared to 'the English' which is what they call non-Amish. Compare that with the Jewish attitude towards Gentiles(hell's bells it's even in their Holy Book).


When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; and when the LORD your God gives it into your hand you shall put all its males to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the cattle, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourseves; and you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the LORD your God has given you. Thus you shall do to all the cities which are very far from you, which are not cities of the nations here. But in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save nothing that breathes ...

Deuteronomy 20:10-16


And strangers [Gentiles] shall stand and feed your flocks, strangers shall be your plowmen and vinedressers; but you shall be called the priests of the LORD, men shall speak of you as the ministers of our God; you shall eat the wealth of the nations, and in their riches you shall glory.

Isaiah 61:5-6

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:27 | 3083218 Sandmann
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There was no "Holocaust" until Britain and France went to war with Germany......there were guns aplenty

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:29 | 3083233 ITrustMyGut
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STRONG post, Friend

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:09 | 3083381 harposox
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I've been wondering (quietly) if the TSA would be tapped for school security duty... But I guess the Nat'l Guard makes more sense. Those TSA buffoons couldn't handle most urban middle schools, let alone high schools.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:21 | 3083436 lakecity55
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Hmmm, I think the pedophiles at Transvestites Searching Asses would want first dibs on kidz.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:34 | 3083482 JR
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The Holocaust is actually an influential weapon in helping Zionists defray criticism of their influence on government officials in the West, now becoming critical for US foreign policy.

And it’s important to remember that the Jews were the primary instrument in bringing the Bolsheviks to power in Russia and it was a powerful Jewish movement that was bringing communism into Germany in the early 1930s.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:50 | 3083545 Thisson
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Incorrect, you bigotted asshole.  There was only one predominant jewish Bolshevik (Trotsky), and as Lenin famously pointed out:

The landowners and capitalists tried to divert the hatred of the workers and peasants who were tortured by want against the Jews. ... It is not the Jews who are the enemies of the working people. The enemies of the workers are the capitalists of all countries. Among the Jews there are working people, and they form the majority. They are our brothers, who, like us, are oppressed by capital; they are our comrades in the struggle for socialism. ... The capitalists strive to sow and foment hatred between workers of different faiths, different nations and different races. ... Rich Jews, like rich Russians, and the rich in all countries, are in alliance to oppress, crush, rob, and disunite the workers. ... Shame on those who foment hatred towards the Jews, who foment hatred towards other nations.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:17 | 3083683 Darth Mul
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No - you're incorrect you disgusting liar.

And you know you're lying.

Attempted Marxist uprisings in both Russia and Germany in the early 1900s were led primarily by Jews though they were tiny minorities in both countries.


In 1917, the Jews, who were no more than 3% of the country, were far, far more than that amongst the Bolsheviks.

They also were responsible for the Katyn Forest Massacre which, cleverly enough, was blamed on the Germans, who bloody well publicized that atrocity.





Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:59 | 3083875 Disenchanted
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Don't hear much about this book of Solzhenitsyns...wonder why.



Alexandr Solzhenitsyn's “The 1920s.” Chapter 18 of 200 Years Together

Kevin MacDonald

July 5, 2010

The English translation of Chapter 18 of 200 Years Together, “The 1920s” is now available. (See here, and notice the link requesting donations.) It has a very different feel from Chapter 20, on the Gulag. Whereas Solzhenitsyn’s account of the Gulag stresses his own experiences, this chapter relies on a wide range of academic historical writing to paint his picture of the USSR during the critical decade of the 1920s. His account is therefore based on mainstream scholarship and overall is similar to other accounts, such as Yuri Slezkine’s The Jewish Century. However, it goes beyond other accounts in several important ways and provides a great deal of new information for Western audiences. It is a very long chapter (26000 words). Here I summarize some of the main points and draw analogies to the current situation in the West.

Solzhenitsyn recounts the migration of Jews to the urban areas of the USSR—the centers of culture and of power. Well over 80% of ethnic Jews moved to urban areas, and they were represented in the government at around their percentage of the urban population and 6.5 times their representation in the population at large.

Russians commonly perceived Jews as dominating the Soviet government, a situation that resulted in anti-Jewish attitudes. A Jewish observer is quoted about the situation in 1923:

"The Jew is in all corners and on all levels of power.” “The Russian sees him as a ruler of Moscow, at the head of the capital on Neva [Leningrad], and at the head of the Red Army, a perfected death machine. He sees that St. Vladimir Prospect has been renamed Naumson Prospect… The Russian sees the Jew as judge and hangman; he sees Jews at every turn, not only among the communists, but among people like himself, everywhere doing the bidding of Soviet power… . Not surprisingly, the Russian, comparing present with past, is confirmed in his idea that power is Jewish power, that it exists for Jews and does the bidding of Jews.


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 16:20 | 3083952 JR
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Bolshevism is largely a Jewish product. The Lenin Museum, in Moscow, Russia, now openly lists Lenin as a Jew

The current Obama Administration has more positions filled by Jews than any Administration in history.  And it’s important to review history and the Jewish makeup of the Russian revolutionaries.

Winston Churchill, pointing to the crucial role played by the Jews in Bolshevism in an essay published in the February 8, 1920, issue of the London Illustrated Sunday Herald, warned, Bolshevism is a “worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality… There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews… With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews….”

Israeli historian Louis Rapoport summed up the situation at the time: “The 62 members of the [Central] Committee were composed of 5 Russians, 1 Ukrainian, 6 Letts [Latvians], 2 Germans, 1 Czech, 2 Armenians, 3 Georgians, 1 Karaim [Karaite] (a Jewish sect), and 41 Jews.

“The Extraordinary Commission [Cheka or Vecheka] of Moscow was composed of 36 members, including 1 German, 1 Pole, 1 Armenian, 2 Russians, 8 Latvians, and 23 Jews.

“The Council of the People’s Commissar [the Soviet government] numbered 2 Armenians, 3 Russians, and 17 Jews.

“According to data furnished by the Soviet press, out of 556 important functionaries of the Bolshevik state, including the above-mentioned, in 1918-1919 there were: 17 Russians, 2 Ukrainians, 11 Armenians, 35 Letts [Latvians], 15 Germans, 1 Hungarian, 10 Georgians, 3 Poles, 3 Finns, 1 Czech, 1 Karaim, and 457 Jews…”

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:31 | 3084329 Darth Mul
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The evidence is fairly overwhelming, although I suspect some of what's out there plays fast and loose with identifying Jwewish people and overstates the case some.


But it's like noting Jews "run" Hollywood - it's antisemitic when you say it, but every so often an article about how Jews do, in fact, basically or more-or-less run the studios comes out in the jewish press and that's okay - then it's taking pride in Jewish achievement {ignoring the inconvenient fact that a closed shop promotes based on ethnoreligious affiliation - Marlon Brando wasn't wrong he just broke the unwritten law.}


Yet look at wikipedia's entry on Jewish Bolshevism:


That's not an objective, sober analysis - it's literally just obfuscation.


Similarly "Zionist Occupation Government" gets a bullshit entry.  



I'm not sure why so many are convinced that simply noting overwhelming over-representation of a tiny minority, who often have dual allegiance, who often act on behalf of a foreign state, and whose holy books are replete with ethical double standards as to those outside the tribe is "hate"


I genuinely don't hate the Jews.  But Judaism, like Islam, and most religion, is replete with vile, self-serving myths and violence, Zionism is nothing more than nationalism with a heavy dose of myth, and I'm sick and tired of dually loyal Jews {think Goldberg or Rahm Emanuel} claiming it's "antisemitic" to note their abundantly obvious dual loyalty.


Chas Freeman was one thing.


If the Kristols and Feiths and Perles manage to get Jane "Treason Bait" Harmon in, and block the best candidate for Defense - point blank you know the Zionist Occupation Government both exists and noting it is a patriotic duty - and it will be clear that the US government's highest echelons are not the legitimate representatives of the American people.




Ehud Barak Is Real Terrorist - BBC Interview - Date 9/11/2001  

 This man should be hunted down, made to confess, and executed by US Navy SEALS.


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 20:03 | 3084663 Seer
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LOL, the overthrow of "civilization!"

"Civilization" pretty much means cities.  And cities are unsustiainable.  It all reads like a big fucking circle-jerk, trying to keep the "Jews" (or whomever) from taking over the UNSUSTAINABLE!

I tell you that the great cities rest upon these broad and fertile prairies. Burn down your cities and leave our farms, and your cities will spring up again as if by magic. But destroy our farms and the grass will grow in the streets of every city in this country?.

- William Jennings Bryant

Anyone ever suspect that the Christians are behind a lot of this Jew-bashing? (they do, I admit, have a pretty deep-seated reason)


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:05 | 3083139 docmac324
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and it's a wonder while we're all buying ARs.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:07 | 3083140 q99x2
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CNBC has these three words ending sentences on their site: Tumbles, Whack and Tune meanwhile the world is entering a phase not seen since the big WWII. The words don't bother me because I could see them over there tumbling to a whacky tune as their devil suits melt off and the world bursts into flames.

But I think Kyle Bass was wrong about the US not getting hit by the economic collapse like the other countries. If the US has the politicians and banksters out a blasting people with drones and abducting people who cares if the economy survives.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 20:10 | 3084683 Seer
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Bass can't figure out the simple trade deficit.

US exports are essential in order to purchase OIL.  If all the bulk of the buyers are dropping like flies because of too much debt then that means CONTRACTION of oil imports; and when energy contracts (anyone who can't get this needs to step to the side of the grown ups)...

In order for US exports to keep from collapsing the ONLY equation will be US goods export -> <- Arab oil exports  This, however, will only hold up but a fraction of existing trade (economies of scale in reverse are going to hammer most things- only really key stuff will manage to continue, to be propped up [we'll be forced to ensure this ]).

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:07 | 3083143 A. Magnus
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Piece of shit, scumsucking, ass-munch motherfuckers! This Nazi/Commie shit has GOT to stop! Does ANYONE have the nads to resist on Capitol Hill, or are they ALL a bunch of congressional-page orfice-stuffing pogues?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 20:13 | 3084706 Seer
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A sheep standing up in the den of wolves and proclaiming them to be a bunch of fuckers?

"You never change anything by fighting the existing. To change something, build a new model and make the existing obsolete."

- Buckminster Fuller

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:07 | 3083145 Mercury
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What are the remaining advantages again of being an American citizen vs. a non-citizen?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:16 | 3083632 zerozulu
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a little-bit of peace in the world and America will be a nation of repatriates.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:37 | 3083149 A Lunatic
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It's time to ACT free......Rights are a lot like muscles.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:09 | 3083151 kevinearick
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As the Worm Turns, Inward to Bubble World

In an irony of ironies, the majority is betting on the Fed, because their something-for-nothing entitlements depend on it to prop up the market, and the Fed is taking that bet, betting against itself with monetary insurance, liquidating the entitlement system, and leveraging the losses as GDP increases. Greed works alright, f-s itself every time, reporting its progress as economic activity, increasing artificial demand for artificial supply, in a positive feedback loop, a line waiting in line, chasing its own tail to no end. The cattle don’t realize that Black Friday is about conditioning them to create both the artificial demand and supply that liquidates their position. Classic Marvin the Martian.

Take government spending. Eliminate the part borrowed. Trace the remaining tax base to previous years borrowed, leveraged with declining interest rates. When Statey comes to your door, give him whatever he wants, until he stops coming to your door. It’s the Bugs Bunny / Yosemite Sam dynamite exchange thing. Crack me the f- up, a conspiracy of collective stupidity. That executive order curve will be vertical in no time.

An economy is like a solar system. If you take one of those planets away, it implodes, and the rocket scientists have gutted empire labor. F-ng brilliant. It’s the elevator problem again. I go in to mod an elevator, and the lazy a-, middle class union tradesmen line up for a ride, bitching and moaning like their union card entitles them. When I get the temporary up, everyone else gets a ride.

I’ve carried my share of motors up the stairs to the top of the building, and moved 50k lbs. of freight by hand every day for years. I am old, I am cranky, and I do not give a f- about some nigger in a dark alley with a knife. Watching a nigger make the mistake of knifing my dad without killing him cured me of that little problem early on in life.

The kids have everything they need to avoid these lines all together. If the majority wants to get beyond the lines, it might want to get the f-out of the way, so they can modernize the economy, or expect the black hole to reach out and drag the entire middle class into a living hell. One way or the other makes no difference to me. Its representatives already took my children, to support its something-for-nothing economy. Your privacy, your economy, is not a function of capital. Capital is about appearance. It does no work. It’s History.

There is nothing magic about the Fed, or the US Government, spinning artificial demand for the supply of an artificial world, as Kissinger’s unwinding attests. Let’s see, who is behind that nigger errand boy anyway? Oh, that’s right, the majority, in a peer pressure parade, robots following robots, in a zoo, built for the purpose.

Speaking of executive orders, Kissinger, Nixon, foreign investment, technology Pavlov swaps, and feedback signals, what was Kennedy’s sin, what nigger got MLK shot, where was LBJ from, and how are those wars on poverty, drugs, etc., etc., etc., working out for your children, and your pension? Bernie Sanders + Grover Norquist / 2 = Barack Obama. The President is not a choice; it’s a parade of losers competing to be leader. Who is responsible for the Patriot Act and what did they get in return? Why don’t we all just join the MAssholes in Vermont?

That’s it, keep fing with labor.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 20:21 | 3084748 Seer
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"Who is responsible for the Patriot Act and what did they get in return? Why don’t we all just join the MAssholes in Vermont?"

Russ Feingold was the ONLY US Senator to vote Nay.  But because the color of his BIG balls (keep in mind the hysteria of the time) most here were glad to see him ousted from the Senate (and likely many contributed to the campaign to flush him).

If you cannot get fundamentals right then you deserve the hell that you'll encounter.

That which cannot continue forever won't.  It's all based on a Ponzi (perpetual growth on a finite planet, the flawed premise buried under tons of "economic" rhetoric).

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:09 | 3083153 mess nonster
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Rules for Indefinite Detention:

1. Do not sign anything. Every time you sign somoething, you sign away a right. If they give you a piece of paper that inventories the possessions they stole from you, don't sign it, it gives them your consent to steal those things from you. This applys to every single dirty peice of paper they want you to sign. DON'T DO IT.

2. Do not say anything. KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.

They violated your rights. You owe them nothing. They are evil, and evil cannot  be bargained with. Evil by definition breaks its promises. Everything they tell you is a lie.

3. They are always lying. If they promise to let you go, they are lying. If they threaten to detain you forever, they are lying. Just keep your mouth shut. Whatever happens to you now is out of your control. You are dealing with a caprious, evil beast with cunning but not intelligence. You have no idea what it will do, and nothing you do or say can influence it in any way. If it is hungry, it will eat you. If it is bored, it will play with you. It may let you go, and it may not, but whatever it does, it does for its own reasons and your actions do not have any bearing on its behavior. The last thing you want to do is give it a reason to eat you. Anything and everything you say is an appetizer. Just shut the fuck up and don't say a word, literally, not a word.

4.You are dead. You died the moment you were detained, and you are now in a purgatorial limbo. The only escape is when you will be executed, or when you will die of starvation in a work camp. Therefore, being dead, you have nothing to gain by talking to them. Even if they let you go, it will only be for the purpose of leading them to more innocent victims (ie your friends and family).Dead men tell no tales. Dead people don't talk. Shut up!

5. If you are released, you cannot talk to family members or freinds, because if you do, they will then be detained.

6. Detainment equals death, so don't talk to anyone. Just sleep and do pushups and pray, but keep your mouth shut.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:07 | 3083372 Overfed
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And that's why they want our guns.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:26 | 3084312 Abitdodgie
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So what you are saying that if you are going to be arrested for a traffic bullshit stop , you could be held for 10 years plus or whatever they want to do . So the to slove that problem just shoot the cop ( they are phycopaths anyway)

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 20:26 | 3084797 Seer
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Initially ask what you are being detained for.  If no reason then ask if you can go (no reason given = no reason to detain).  After this point (regardless of which way it goes) SHUT UP.  Hand whatever documents and that's it: those documents were issued to you, so in a sense they're more theirs than yours.


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:09 | 3083156 cranky-old-geezer
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Best display of govt tyranny so far, and best proof there will be no revolution.  

2nd amendment is worthless.  Even this overt in-your-face tyranny won't result in people taking up arms against it.

400 million guns in America?  How many of those gun owners even know about this?  

Still living in their "it can't happen in America" fantasies. 

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:15 | 3083174 Global Hunter
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I am not so sure, sometimes I think they actually want a civil war against the rural areas while they use the security apparatus to lock down the major urban centres and transportatin corridors.  Why would they want civil war...because they think they can win and because they think they can kill efficiently enough to scare the rest of the population into submission.

just my 2 cents, taking my tinfoil hat off now.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:46 | 3083301 A Lunatic
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Rural areas are largely obsolete according to the PTB. Our votes are overridden by major cities, most of the resources needed to feed, cloth, and fuel the nation are controlled by major corporations, most of which are heavily supported and subsidized by the government. I believe they do (see NYC) have the capacity to control major urban centers as you point out and will simply let the rural areas wither on the vine. I see  a future where resources are handed out based on submission to the Federal Government. Submit or no fuel, food, banking, protection for your town...... the classic siege mentality.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:10 | 3083158 TrustWho
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Rumors circulating that Lanza was directed/manipulated to kill the 5-6 year old by MSNBC/FBI cronies. Gov't needs to hype gun violence to enflame the public so Gov't could get the laws and take the guns from patriotic men who will defend the founding fathers "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death"

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:47 | 3083309 flattrader
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Naw.  He was directed by mind-controlling aliens to kill those kids.  The aliens knew what the fed/gov reaction would be.  Perfect cover.  Have the citizens' own govt. disarm them prior to invasion.

Just as plausible as any half-wit conspiracy theory I've heard so far.

I like mine better.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:00 | 3083343 TrustWho
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...Lanza was brainwashed by Al Qaeda?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:02 | 3083353 flattrader
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That's a good one too.

Still partial to my mind controlling aliens conspiracy.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:38 | 3083497 TrustWho
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Patsy theory is best as fits the president Kennedy and MLK theories, but I believe there were human witnessess that hurt its plausibility. Maybe drones did it as POTUS has killed many children with drones and never shed a tear f

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 18:29 | 3084322 Abitdodgie
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He was trained by a raw milk drinking Iranian , that eats puppys.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:01 | 3083613 Tuco Benedicto ...
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"Don't believe anything you hear and half what you see."  Particularly, from the establishment media.  Where's some more info on the adult who was handcuffed and put in the front of a CT squad car.  How silly of me to ask?!


Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:51 | 3083314 FeralSerf
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There is no credible evidence that Lanza killed anyone.  How does anyone know he wasn't just brought along in a drug induced stupor to use as the pasty.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 14:04 | 3083358 flattrader
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Very good.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:21 | 3083193 phoolish
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I've been indefinitely detained since 1961

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:53 | 3083319 flattrader
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You've been married that long?

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:11 | 3083654 zerozulu
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America is becoming a land of indefinite detention.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:22 | 3083201 Everybodys All ...
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So lets get this straight. The government wants to take the gun you own away and detain you without trial for whatever reason the government comes up with at the time. Nothing if anything to do with terrorism. Never did I think that could happen here in the US.

No small wonder people are flooding Walmart with requests for arms. This is turning into a nightmare very quickly.

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 20:36 | 3084851 Seer
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"No small wonder people are flooding Walmart with requests for arms. This is turning into a nightmare very quickly."

I'd view this with a bit of caution.

Several years ago in Macedonia the UN dropped a bunch of weapons in a town sqaure.  Of course, the people kind of went a bit nutty (or were painted as such), so the UN has to be "officially" called in with "peace-keepers."  Interesting that this was a town in which TPTB were needing to run a pipeline through.

It's possible that this run on guns is just what the govt wants so that it can then justify REAL intervention?  Roll in a few more tanks (the "defense" contractors will have their propaganda machines fully ramped, even getting the eventual Walmart shoppers waving their flags) and then extend the "authorized" time frame in which the "peace" is kept...

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:25 | 3083213 Sandmann
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Britain usually suspends Habeas Corpus when going to war.......just as with the US Constitution Art 1, Sect 9 Clause 2.  Besides it only gives protection that dentention is in accordance with law.....and the UK interned people under Section 18B for years without charge or trial using powers..........

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:31 | 3083237 TrustWho
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Abe Lincoln was a tyrant, they make a movie and call him bold leader. President Obama understands!

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 15:56 | 3083852 earleflorida
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indeed... by order of the 'British East India Company'!

Thu, 12/20/2012 - 13:48 | 3083230 lakecity55
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All the pieces of the puzzle are almost in place.

Once complete, expect The Event, or a series of same.

The first action once it is complete will be the introduction of UN military forces to enforce/maintain order.

Drones allow for air superiority.

UN ground forces will be used to attempt control of the terrain. US forces are now under authority only of the Executive, NATO/Goldman Sachs/UN, which allows reciprocal use of foreign troops on US soil.

Expect the anti-Second Amendment assault to increase, not drop off. There will be a concerted effort to disarm US Kulaks by peaceful means, propaganda, gun buybacks, registration, etc etc.

All of us have followed the accumulation of EOs during the last 4 years. Expect those to be activated.  Mobile communications will be terminated. Internet will be shut down. Power, water and such will be shut off.

I have always felt the Plan B of the Progressive/Globalist Cabal to be the destruction of the Republic if an outright seizure of power fails.

Choosing an Executive over a natural-born or acculturated American removes any other Executive who may revert to Patriotism at a critical moment. The Cabal must have an Executive who will follow orders w/o conscience.

We are up against the wall, but the enemy is human; humans make mistakes. They can overreach, fall to hubris. The situation is dire, but not hopeless!

Prepare yourselves accordingly, and Good Luck to all.

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