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One Simple Question You Need To Ask Yourself

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Via Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,

Everyone has a catalyst. A breaking point where we finally say, “enough is enough” and finally begin to take action.

Maybe it’s watching your beautiful daughter be sexually assaulted by government agents for having committed the crime of flying to Disney World. Or having some government agency tell you what you can/cannot put in your body. Or having your son’s lemonade stand shut down. Or being sentenced to jail for collecting rainwater.

Many of us, though, are indoctrinated from birth to believe that our country is the best, highest pinnacle of civilization. So we’re programmed to hang on to the bitter end. Instead of taking action at the first sign of danger, we’ll wait… and wait… and wait… until we finally reach our breaking points.

This is unusual for a living species. Animals in the wild have a honed sense of danger. They survive because they listen to their instincts and take immediate action.

We humans, on the other hand, have decades of propaganda clouding our judgment. It’s been this way for most of history, in fact. In the past, we allowed ourselves to be enslaved to single individuals– kings, emperors. Now we’re enslaved by an idea.

This idea suggests that, simply because we happened to be born on a specific piece of dirt, that we can be saddled with obligations we never signed up for… to pay taxes, serve in the military, spend our entire working lives paying down the debts of previous generations, use a corrupt money system controlled by a tiny elite, etc.

The propaganda is so effective that people truly believe these are all the ‘costs of living in a free society…’ As if the society is actually free.

Yes, the West is replete with superficial conveniences– Starbucks-a-plenty, big box retail shops, TGI Fridays, sit-coms, and cookie-cutter subdivisions. But this all seems a pithy yardstick to measure freedom or quality of life.

In addition, the propaganda is so effective that people even ask for their freedoms to be taken away, all so that the ruling elite has more control.

“Please bathe us in radiation to protect us from men in caves…”

“Please conjure infinite money out of thin air to protect us from bank failure…”

And now it seems to be “Please disarm the population to protect us from crazed killers…”

Each time this happens, national dialogue comes to a screeching halt. There is no debate over policy, and any dissent is branded as unpatriotic and disloyal.

History is full of examples of this, starting as far back as the death sentence of Socrates for rejecting the state religion, criticizing Athenian political leaders, and questioning the validity of Democracy.

When a society loses its capacity for intelligent discourse focused on facts and minority-held views… when a people loses the will to question authority… it signals a hastened decline into tyranny.

This is prevalent everywhere in the west today. Topics such as climate change, September 11th, ‘taxing the rich’, gun control, etc. are so sacrosanct that the mere mention of a dissenting opinion is ridiculed.

I understand that a man went on television recently, for example, to argue for freedom and the right to bear arms. He was lambasted on live TV as an ‘unbelievably stupid man’ who doesn’t ‘give a damn about the murder rate’.

It seems quite obvious now. There can be no discussion. And at some point, a reasonable human being has to reflect on the society that has developed around him and wonder, “Do I have anything in common with these people anymore…? Do we share any core values? Or do we simply share the same passport cover?”

It’s certainly a question worth asking... ideally before you reach your breaking point.


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Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:11 | 3088008 blunderdog
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Eschew lambastation.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:30 | 3088086 Pinto Currency
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In this piece, Simon Black is really objecting to views put forth by the old media and the political class vs. logical norms.

Perhaps it is time to throw out old media and the political class.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:57 | 3088140 Ignatius
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Being fucked up the ass by the banking-food-congressional-executive-legal-police-corporate-medical-military complex is not a strong enough narrative with which to hold a nation together.

You need a stronger story than this, fellas.  Maybe make some calls to Hollywood.


Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:18 | 3088279 SamAdams
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The lie is being exposed and awareness is increasing exponentially.  The shadow government knows this and is scrambling to counter using authoritarian means including rapid destruction of rights and freedom.  They will soon try to censor the ultimate source of resistance, but it is already too late.  Multiple generations are aware and rightly pissed off.  The future will be interesting indeed.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:32 | 3088543 Manthong
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Well, at least we have freedom of association in this country..

Oh, wait..

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:58 | 3088407 Anusocracy
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It all boils down to morals and which culture they originated in.

The hunter-gatherer liberals want their tribal-union-brotherhood, grazing off the environment, property rights for the collective lifestyle.

The pharaonic conservatives want their omnipotent hierarchical authoritarian state, crony faux-capitalism, property rights crumbs for the masses lifestyle.

The freedom culture individualists want their own control of their lives, free-market capitalism, very strong property rights lifestyle.

The morality of each of these cultures dictates that their way is the best way to survive and prosper.

The  20th century and the USSR showed the first to be an abject failure. The early 21st century and the USA is showing the second to also be a failure.

That leaves the third as the only one standing. Pretty much as how America was founded - by individualists.

Sat, 12/22/2012 - 00:50 | 3089309 Liberty2012
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Nice illustration - Thank you

So the trick is for each group to do as they want without forcing the other two. Hunter-gatherers wll not be comfortable with Individualists freedom, but they should be able to let them be free.

The dishonest payment system is the root dynamic that forces increasingly worsening choices on people, destroying freedom in a nearly invisible manner.

Truth => Individual => Responsibility = Freedom

Everything good in life requires free will

Merry Christmas

Sat, 12/22/2012 - 12:32 | 3089686 Anusocracy
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Exactly. The dishonest payment system is what powers the crony faux-capitalist government organism.


Sat, 12/22/2012 - 01:50 | 3089349 LostAtSea
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Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:40 | 3088335 SamAdams
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Morgan explains to Ted Nugent that he would "love to suck on his machine gun"????  Wow, that's a great strong-arm tactic Piers.... 

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:32 | 3088539 lakecity55
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I bet he's one of those "white men" O-Phone prefers to have fellate him, according to Larry Sinclair.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 21:22 | 3088897 Rogue Trooper
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I'm looking forward to 'City-Boy' Piers Morgan heading to some 'red state' backwater to convince 'em to give back their GUNS and gettin' some Deliverance....

Da da ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, dinnnnng.

Squeal like a PIG Piers.... ask nicely and you may get the courtesy of a reach around.

/Just sayin'



Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:14 | 3088010 hedgeless_horseman
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One simple answer...Texas.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:19 | 3088045 Jonas Parker
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If at first we don't secede, try, try again!

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:41 | 3088338 formadesika3
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I was on my way to Puerto Rico on a 24 city run 
They promised me the world that's what I got
'Cause Texas is a world all of its own 
It takes a lifetime to drive from Eastland to Van Horn 
He said didn't you hear my siren whine 
I been chasing you since the Jim Hogg County line 
I was thinking real hard about tenderin' my notice 
But the bills came in and piled up to my chin 
Paul called and said we're on our way to Rhome 
This tour's gonna save your happy home 
Now we're going to: 
London, Liverpool, Italy, Paris, Egypt, Dublin, Frisco, Waco, 
Athens, Gouldbusk, Troy, and Miami, Moody, Beaumont, Edinburgh, Lubbock 
Pecos, Deadwood, Fife, del Rio, 
Houston, Austin, all around Dallas 
Texas is a world all of its own

- Little Feat, "Those Feet'll Steer You Wrong Sometimes", RIP Lowell George

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 20:12 | 3088831 Rogue Trooper
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Great track from Chris Rea...

Reminds me of this one when I was 5 or 6.  Mum and Dad playin it on some real vinyl....memories :)

Let's see how TPTB's agenda plays out 'disarming' Texas.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:23 | 3088059 astoriajoe
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Texas seems pretty okay with determining what you can put in your body.

Also, within 100 miles of the boarder (including ocean) the border patrol can still pull you over and even detain you.


Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:29 | 3088070 hedgeless_horseman
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The just-right-bed at the three bears' house is a little small for all of us.  Where do you recommend to make a stand?

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:40 | 3088118 tradewithdave
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Try Procrustes bed. No standing necessary.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:30 | 3088088 pods
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Texas seems pretty okay with determining what THEY put into your body.


Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:47 | 3088158 blunderdog
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I seem to recall something about State-enforced vaccinations, too, but I don't have kids, so who cares?

Sat, 12/22/2012 - 01:54 | 3089352 e_goldstein
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Gardasil. Brokeback Perry's 2nd favorite way to kill people. 
The first being lethal injection.


Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:52 | 3088166 Imminent Crucible
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"Texas seems pretty okay"

Nope. The officers involved have already been suspended from duty. Texans are definitely NOT okay with being molested by a lesbian cop on the road side in plain view.

Hedgeless: Do NOT be advertising Texas all over the countryside. My place in Sabine County will be overrun. There are already HUNDREDS of people living in the county. It's getting so I can't hardly hear myself think.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:54 | 3088381 Calmyourself
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Suspended, wow, for sticking her fingers in that womens vagina and anus, suspended ooh sounds tough.  She should be arrested and thrown in general population to await her rape / molestation trial.  If she is not charged the ladies husband should pay a visit.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:30 | 3088533 Overfed
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Anyone else (well, not employed by our masters) would be in jail awaiting trial for sexual assault.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:42 | 3088128 AnAnonymous
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Texas seems pretty okay with determining what you can put in your body.

Yes, just take a look at one of their idols, Lance "where is the syringe?" Armstrong.

This is the kind of guys you can get from the 'american' Texas, all okay with injecting and still fancying himself a honest world champion when he is an 'american' man.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:49 | 3088163 trav777
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every pro athlete is on PEDs

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:05 | 3088228 AnAnonymous
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Another legacy of 'Americanism' to the world.

It might be the case by the way of 'american' athletes.

Nobody has done as much for drugs usage as 'americans'

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:54 | 3088386 trav777
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and if by that you mean French cyclists and german soldiers, then I guess I agree

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 19:24 | 3088693 Diogenes
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East German athletic coaches.

Sat, 12/22/2012 - 00:26 | 3089285 zhandax
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I don't remember ever agreeing with AnAnonymous, but he did hit that one on the head.  Steroids, grass, prozac, blood pressure medicine, ritalin, fluoride, take your pick of anything else;  Nobody has done as much for drugs usage as 'americans'

Sat, 12/22/2012 - 13:14 | 3089731 mkhs
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Wow.  What an egotistical asshole.  The Indians, south Asia, know more about grass and drugs then is dreamnt in your atrophied brain.

Sat, 12/22/2012 - 01:42 | 3089345 prains
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funny two guys form the two biggest hypocrit countries battling it out over PED's. FLance vs Rance. Back away from the syringe back away

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:12 | 3088465 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Nobody has done as much for drugs usage as 'americans'

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 19:14 | 3088467 CompassionateFascist
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After a long stalk, anAnonymous has caught and et Peking's last puppy, had a good roadside dump, & now returns to ZH fully energized. 

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:18 | 3088480 akak
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Another legacy of AnAnonymousitizenism to the world.

It might be the case by the way of AnAnonymousitizen shatletes.

AnAnonymousitizen shatletes are the mattering thing.  The crustiest.

Nobody has done as much for roadside squatting and dumping as AnAnonymous.

Alas, alas, just have to bear with it.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 20:33 | 3088870 DoChenRollingBearing
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I guess it's now THREE troller-busterismers now, LOL...

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:47 | 3088354 duo
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true story.  I was getting my haircut and I told my hairdresser that I had a new kitten, and we named him "Lance" because he has only one testicle (one was undescended).  She started laughing so hard she...well, had to go to the bathroom.  Turns out she used to cut Lance Armstrong's hair when he was in high school.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:52 | 3088171 Plata con Carne
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Like rubber gloved fingers on the side of the road. No need to change gloves


Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:05 | 3088227 Darksky
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Dont drive I 10 thru sierra blanca TX. Got to spend the night in same jail cell that snoop dogg and willie nelson stayed in.

Border patrol agent "we are here to search your car for illegals...". That is until their dog jumped in my back seat.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:48 | 3088356 machineh
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This infamous celebrity trap is a perfect example of how Texas will never be free as long as fedgov agents still have free rein.

Federal prosecutors still jail Texans for federal crimes, regardless of what local law says.

29 December 1845 (loss of independence) was the day Texas got castrated. It's a steer state now.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 22:11 | 3089121 Darksky
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Believe it or not the feds didnt want to deal with me. The hudspeth county sheriff wanted me. He wanted the tow and impound fee for my car and they wanted the fine i paid at my court date. Twice a month a traveling judge shows up and approx 60 people line up and plead guilty to misdemeaner possession and they drop the felony. They fine you anywhere from $1000-$1500 and send you on your way. Courtroom is full of people from Cali so sheriff doesnt want to deal with feeding them for 2 months. Way i figure it that county would be broke if they shutdown that checkpoint. Judge laughed when the prosecutor read "he had a small amt of maryjane and a boatload of cookies and butter". Lucky for me they couldnt weigh the cookies in my belly!

Not bitching about Texas. Born and raised there, left for awhile and now I'm back and will never leave. Most important piece of paper i own is my Texas birth certificate.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:49 | 3088363 duo
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remember:  Sheriff Buford T. Justice

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:12 | 3088466 Intoxicologist
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I live a couple hours south of the Canadian border, and I've seen border patrol vehicles pull people over on the highway here as well.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:58 | 3088200 millus
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Unfortunately, this is sadly the right anser.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:22 | 3088288 Zap Powerz
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Divorce is the answer.

When two people or two groups (or 5 groups) of people that live in close proximity to each other no longer share common values, common heritage, common language etc then it is only a matter of time before one party decides the other party should no longer occupy "their" space and the killing begins.

So, before the killing begins, we should divorce ourselves from the people the social contract (we never signed) says we are obligated and/or responsible for.

Life is too short to spend it with people you dont like.

I have this new idea for a form of government.  Its called "Representative Republic" (patent pending).  In this new fangled system of government, small nations (lets call them "states") would be responsible for the citizens within their geographical boundries.  They could even have their own currencies, own laws, own forms of government.  Those states could work together cooperatively for the common defense of each other (safety in numbers) against threats foriegn and domestic.  These states would then be united in a common cause (self defense, commerce etc).  But the real power would be left to the individual states.

I know, its totally crazy, but under the right circumstances, it. just. might. work.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:36 | 3088323 Karlus
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But wait, I dont want a divorce. I dont wan them to take half my shit. They did not build that. I dont want to divide the country and make us easier to attack. I dont want them messing up their area and then coming to mess up mine.

My preference is settling this the only way two deeply divided idelogies can. The useless eaters can choose to join productive society and contribute...or not. They have a choice. As do I. My choice is not to service them anymore.

And then there will be peace.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:56 | 3088397 trav777
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so you want a divorce but you don't want a divorce?

The useless want you to work for them and they are willing to use violence to compel you.  Divorce is coming whether you want it or not.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:04 | 3088420 Rogue Trooper
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Hence, how important it is for 'them' to disarm the population.  TPTB must look at the UK with such envy...... the UK started that journey after WW1 when the troops were demobbed.

Once the new 'Biden Rules' are put in place will be interesting to see if folks give em up 'peacefully'?

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:22 | 3088506 CompassionateFascist
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Neo-conz (incl NRA crowd, which is all about "deer rifles") would pony up, HardRights...will shoot back with assault weapons. Obama knows this, which is why he "appointed a Commission". To do precisely nothing. The Stalinist gun-grab will come only with System Collapse and Martial Law. 

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:38 | 3088561 Rogue Trooper
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I hear that argument and it does give some hope. However, pondering the 'Optimism Bias' that Karl Bass discussed yesterday I am not convinced.  For example, how would a Ruby Ridge play out now?  Would those making a stand be left to be slautered by whichever agency was tasked with the mission? Or would others say enough?

Waiting until system collapse and implementing martial law is too little too late for TPTB.  Iraq is the best example of that lesson learnt and we all know how that played out.

Sat, 12/22/2012 - 07:00 | 3089509 SilverRhino
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They are already taking half your shit.   And yes they will use violence to enslave you but you want to stay in the bullshit union the same way an abused wife "stands by her man".  

You will 'service' like an abused wife until you get the fuck out of your domestic 'union'.  

Sucks but it's true.   



Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:46 | 3088351 MachoMan
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There are many reasons for founding father worship, but unfortunately their experiment failed miserably...  and is in the process of being exposed.  Wisdom is the ability to learn from our mistakes.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 20:40 | 3088885 koncaswatch
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While I do not necessarily worship the US founding fathers, they got it right. We screwed up the experiment.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 22:37 | 3089169 gwiss
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They got close.  Most important thing they screwed up was that they should have specifically enumerated a right to secede, unalterable by amendment, if a state disagreed with a constitutional amendment.  Who in their right mind would sign a contract that gives the majority the right to change the fucking contract and have it still be binding to all parties?  I mean, seriously?  Why the hell even bother having a contract then?  As soon as the majority has the right to change the contract and yet have it still be binding, the whole concept of a contract goes out the window.  Sure, it takes time to fall apart, but fall apart it will, without fail, and because you neglected to include a parachute, you are going to auger into the ground with the rest of the idiots.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:57 | 3088398 Rogue Trooper
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Zap your suggestion makes perfect sense....

Unfortunately, TPTB have other ideas.  Too much invested in the 'status quo' to allow such a compromise.  Civil War Redux?

No one has any idea how this will play out or who will be the victor in the end.  I for one will be 'all in' with the Freedom camp. The alternative is just an Orwellian destopia.

Clock is ticking.....


Sun, 12/23/2012 - 23:20 | 3092236 Tompooz
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Divorce has always been the answer, until the world ran out of uninhabited land. 

What will drive commercial space flight more than anything else is the strong desire of people to remove themselves from "the others".

An  NWO government will be the ultimate catalyst.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:45 | 3088347 CynicLaureate
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It's like a whole other country.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:14 | 3088015 francis_sawyer
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One simple question you need to ask yourself:


Do I get drunk here & pontificate?


Do I fly to Gstaad, do a quick slide down the bunny slope, grab a Grand Marnier & write a more serious journal about how you should handle your problems there?

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:20 | 3088051 DoChenRollingBearing
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Hey if you have the dough to go to Switzerland and live like that, the answer is obvious!

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:02 | 3088219 francis_sawyer
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Reading shit from Simon Black is kind of like reading 'ADVICE' from some dude in the movie '2012' that had a ticket on one of the Ark lifeboats acting concerned about all the poor fucks that were falling into the cracks in the earth in Las Vegas & Los Angeles...


We can handle it Simon... We really can... Fuck you very much for your patronizing advice...

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:32 | 3088312 knukles
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Why do I always get this feeling that Simon is like the supposed 285 lb 68 y/o bald guy on a some web site posing as a 19y/o amorous stunning bimbette talking dirty to other guys?

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:36 | 3088544 Jam Akin
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Close.  He's actually an Indian noonlighting from his job at the call center.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 22:08 | 3089123 Imminent Crucible
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O International Sovereign Man=O Regional Indian?

No. It can't be.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:29 | 3088532 Intoxicologist
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One simple question you need to ask yourself:

Why, when I click on a post, only to see it's by Simon Black, do I continue to read it?

He's a self-aggrandizing ass and his stories read to me like he cobbled them together in five minutes.  My dog could put together a better post using his Bark-and-Type program.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 19:34 | 3088717 formadesika3
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For the comments of course.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 19:38 | 3088728 Intoxicologist
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Sat, 12/22/2012 - 08:55 | 3089544 Winston Churchill
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Simon is spot on with this article.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:13 | 3088016 The Gooch
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Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:19 | 3088046 akak
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<praying mantises>

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:30 | 3088087 hedgeless_horseman
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<South American death squads>

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 20:19 | 3088848 The Gooch
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<They have to go through Texas first>

Sat, 12/22/2012 - 01:56 | 3089354 e_goldstein
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<They already do>

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:42 | 3088137 Hacked Economy
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<bug spray>

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:54 | 3088184 Imminent Crucible
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<beer can tops popping>

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:06 | 3088232 AnAnonymous
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'American' truth, justice and freedom

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:31 | 3088310 akak
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Chinese citizenism poop, hypocriticality and freedom to crap on the roadsides. 

Make me laugh.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:14 | 3088018 Buckaroo Banzai
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"Do I have anything in common with these people anymore…? Do we share any core values? Or do we simply share the same passport cover?”


Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:36 | 3088102 XitSam
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Open question to Mr. Comma Rawles: Does he consider Mormons to be Christians and does he accept them in his redoubt?

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:25 | 3088299 Zap Powerz
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Are they the devout Mormons with a year's supply of food storage or just the run of the mill sunday church going mormons?

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:27 | 3088307 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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They are already there. There are tons of Mormons in Idaho, Montana, and surrounding states. Mr. Comma, Rawles is a religious zealot, but nevertheless I think he appreciates people with values similar to his, even if they don't believe in his brand of christian extremism.

"While there is a doctrinal chasm that forever divides us, I greatly admire the dedication of the LDS church in encouraging food storage." - Comma Rawles. (

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:07 | 3088438 Rapada
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Actually Rawles is not a religious zealot. He doesn't apologize for his faith and welcomes you to embrace your own. He is more interested in his neighbors being moral and hardworking.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 19:48 | 3088752 XitSam
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It can be debated if he is a religious zealot.  However, he says very clearly on his reboubt page that he is a religious separtist

am a separatist, but on religious lines, not racial ones.

He has also said 

I can also forthrightly state that I have more in common with Orthodox Jews and Messianic Jews than I do with atheist Libertarians.

While he admires the year's supply and preparedness of the Mormons, I have not found a clear statement from Rawles that he thinks they are Christians and he accepts them as Christians. Many mainstream Christian individuals think that Mormons are a cult and are not Christians. 

I know there are many Mormons in the Intermountain West. I lived in a town where only two families were not Mormons. Try that if you want to experience discrimination.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 21:43 | 3089046 DoChenRollingBearing
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Rawles (American Redoubt) and Casey (his community in Argentina) both make me feel a little queasy.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:15 | 3088024 catacl1sm
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Angry Birdz, BITCHEZ!!!!

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:14 | 3088025 Yen Cross
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 Expatriation bitchez

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:15 | 3088027 PUD
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The only like minded souls I've found are here on the hedge. A handful of enlightened brave aware folks that I could probably make friends of. Aside from that I find nothing what so ever in common with the masses...nothing. I don't own a tv cell phone Ipad or a microwave oven. I have nothing but contempt for religion, politics or latest in thing including sports, beer, fashion, tattoos or lady gaga. I don't live in a cave but I'd be ok in one. America! fuck yeah!

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:16 | 3088033 francis_sawyer
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You're now on a terrorist watch list...

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:33 | 3088317 seek
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We're all on a terrorist watch list. And I don't just mean ZH readers -- though I am sure we have a special list -- it's pretty clear the entire population of the US is on "the list."

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:43 | 3088340 francis_sawyer
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Well then... After compiling & algo crunching my browsing history... they must know by now what a huge Justin Beaver fan I am...

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:26 | 3088513 Rogue Trooper
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Yes, we ALL are on the 'list' :/

Still, the useful idiots will still end up in room 101. Perhaps after unseemly scrapping over their rationed monthly 'Cat Food' can at the FEMA Camp. They should have known how to appreciate such benevolence from the Leadership.

There is an alternative - make a stand. Of couse this is unlikely to end well for those that make this choice.  My question is will those that claim they will no longer tolerate their freedom being eroded any further make a stand? Or will they be willingly marched, like lemmings, to a facist, statist utopia.



Fri, 12/21/2012 - 19:17 | 3088668 smiler03
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 "I don't own a tv cell phone Ipad or a microwave oven. I have nothing but contempt for religion, politics or latest in thing including sports, beer, fashion, tattoos or lady gaga."

And you get upvoted 39 times.

But you have the internet and hang around "the latest in thing", Zerohedge. My hero EriCartman" would call you lame. 

And explain what the fuck this post of yours from two days ago about:

"ShopperTrak’s numbers show sales and foot traffic in the week ended Dec. 15 were down 4.3% and 4.4% respectively, while ShopperTrak had expected both measures would increase with less than two weeks to go before Christmas. Traffic and sales also were down in the week ended Dec. 8"

Sat, 12/22/2012 - 00:25 | 3089284 mkkby
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No, you're wrong.  It is better to live on your feet than die on your knees.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 22:03 | 3089108 Calmyourself
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Who is this Justin you speak of, beav oh never mind.

Sat, 12/22/2012 - 11:07 | 3089634 Nom de Guerre
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How can you be a fan of Beiber...I mean she's a rather homely woman.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 22:00 | 3089093 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ seek

+ 1

Yes!  Makes me wonder how many lists I am on, lots for sure.  I wonder how they categorize us...  I travel by air somewhat often, and only once have I been "pitty-patted" by TSA, so maybe .gov ineptitude may work to our advantage sometimes.

And I no longer have to worry about getting Au out of the country, done that!  

Anyone who wants to do the same (take gold out of the country) should remember that you can take out any amount, but if it is over $10,000 worth (bullion value NOT legal tender value) you must declare it on some BS Customs Form, plan an extra 30 minutes at the US international airport to do that as the Customs morons often do not even know that law (in my case they did not).  Get caught not declaring?  You do not want to go there...

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 23:48 | 3089259 seek
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I'm 98% sure I'm on the "other" TSA list (there's two, the no-fly, and the other, seldom discussed "selectee" list.) Last time I few commercial was '08, and I ended up with a TSA guy's hand between my butt cheeks, in public. I was done with the TSA at that point, now I drive, fly charter, or fly myself (which shows just how bullshit the TSA is, that you can get harrassed boarding a commercial flight but you can jump into a Cirrus with a rifle, fertilizer or whatever if you want.)

I think the best bet would be to convert to bitcoin in US, then convert to AU at your destination. No reporting involved, ever.

As it is, I think I'm "in" for the festivities when they hit, there doesn't seem to be too many countries with good options for freedom-lovers.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:18 | 3088037 akak
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I wish you were my next door neighbor.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:41 | 3088132 Imminent Crucible
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Remember what Bob Dylan sang:

"Now, I am liberal to a degree, and I want all men to be free...

But if you think I'm gonna let Mr. Drink Water move in next door and marry my daughter,

You must think I'm crazy".

Sun, 12/23/2012 - 03:02 | 3090941 Pinto Currency
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Some find Dylan profound.

Others listen to these words flowing from him and find him to be a moron.

If you lack motivation, one way to deal with it is to tell yourself a roaster oven is waiting for you.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:23 | 3088508 lakecity55
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We should pool our monies and buy an island. We could start our own republic.

Each of us has useful skills.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:54 | 3088609 Intoxicologist
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Except all of us are prone to boating mishaps.  Otherwise, I agree!

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:23 | 3088057 cossack55
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I'll loan you my 9" Magnavox with the built in rabbit ears.  I would invite you to move to my neighborhood except all my neighbors are jerks.  Good fences make good neighbors, big guns make polite neighbors.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:22 | 3088058 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ PUD  Almost no one in my fairly large family or friends (2 exceptions) read Zero Hedge.  They don't care and/or don't get it.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 19:23 | 3088688 smiler03
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So you're judging sanity, or something like, that by whether somebody reads Zero Hedge?


As nice a contributor as you are you must live a bloody sad existence if you really believe that.


Fri, 12/21/2012 - 19:38 | 3088729 Diogenes
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Koolaid or tinfoil? It's the only choice left.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 19:57 | 3088797 francis_sawyer
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 francis_sawyer drinks his kool-aid from a cup fashioned out of tinfoil [with a shot of whiskey & a beer chaser]... Any problems?

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 22:16 | 3089137 Imminent Crucible
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Koolaid or tinfoil? It's the only choice left.

Tinfoil, then. Kool-Aid doesn't work as a Faraday cage on your RFID passport. Hey, you need to know this stuff. Trust me.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 21:52 | 3089079 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ smiler03  "...judging sanity, or something like,..."

I try not to judge people, but I do miss the high level of financial literacy of people here at ZH (thre topic of virtual friends on the Internet, those who are more similar in outlook than people known by us personally is whole 'nother subject).  Look, I have Peruvian in-laws and a big family who I get along with just fine.  

I do not understand where your comment re a bloddy sad existence comes from.  Many defects I have, but a bloody sad existence is not one of them.

Sat, 12/22/2012 - 18:36 | 3090173 smiler03
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@ DoChen, apologies, I never meant to offend. The expression "bloody sad existence" is widely used in the UK. It tends to be used for people like Robo.. somebody who lives an isolated existence, somebody who "doesn't get out much". I meant that to keep company only with people who read ZH as a bit "isolationist".


So again, apologies and best wishes for a prosperous 2013. 

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:30 | 3088309 Zap Powerz
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The thing Hedgers have in common is that most of us want to be left the fuck alone and live in world that isnt manipulated by cock sucking inbred smegma eating pederasts.

So, we would all get along well because we would leave each other alone.  Imagine the peace.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:51 | 3088368 machineh
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'cock sucking inbred smegma eating pederasts'

Must you be so cruel to our KongressKlowns during this festive season?

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:40 | 3088333 Jam Akin
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I'll look you up when I get to Camp FEMA. 

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:17 | 3088030 HoofHearted
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Ever notice how all of these things end up backfiring?

People find the faked data on global warming. We keep exchaging our fiat for PMs. And now there are no guns and no ammo left to be bought. Good luck, stupid ass bureaucrats.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:16 | 3088032 mrktwtch2
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this country has been heading towards soclialism for the last 20 yrs..the pendulm has swung so far to the left..that i fear it my not come back..we now have more people riding the wagon than those who are pulling it..this was shown in the last my 1 vote wont change what is coming..but at least  iknow it is..and will try to do the best with the knowledge..

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:26 | 3088071 surf0766
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I think we are past the socialist stage. Consider all the decades of handouts to individuals and corps.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:33 | 3088092 pods
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Yeah I would put the turning point a bit further back than that. Say, mid 1800's?


Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:42 | 3088136 AnAnonymous
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Turning point is when we started to consider freeing slaves. The worm was in the apple. Never left since then.

Signed: an American.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:50 | 3088167 Ralph Spoilsport
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Is my laundry done yet?

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:56 | 3088191 pods
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He'll get to it after he woks the dog.


Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:07 | 3088242 AnAnonymous
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Fantasy, that mandatory cocoon for 'americans'

Long fantasy, 'americans' demand for it cant but keep increasing.

Sat, 12/22/2012 - 01:33 | 3089339 takinthehighway
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"woks" the dog...that's beautiful...

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:07 | 3088238 AnAnonymous
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You should go naked. It is no longer 1777. It has grown quite hard to hide your 'american' traits...

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:54 | 3088385 machineh
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You should go naked.

Like your sister does, when Mamasan offers her to the Japanese sex tourists.

She bought your computer for you, didn't she?

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:26 | 3088518 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous prattled on thusly:

You should go naked. It is no longer 1777. It has grown quite hard to hide your 'american' traits...

Made me laugh. Public nakedism much the common for men in Chinese citizenism nations because they having much the very tiny traits which easily hide behind the thin air.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 19:53 | 3088791 XitSam
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I keep reading the posts of AnAnnoyingUs, and go "that's a down arrow", and then look at the name and say, "now I know why."

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:59 | 3088626 Intoxicologist
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No tickey, no laundry.

signed, AnAnonymous

Sat, 12/22/2012 - 00:29 | 3089289 mkkby
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30 second break's over, asshole.  Get back to assembling out iphones.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:08 | 3088247 TPTB_r_TBTF
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The Turning Point was the Federal Govt waging war on States' Rights, a.k.a the Civil War.  

Signed: 14th Amendment Citizen

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:51 | 3088169 therearetoomany...
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It was Lincoln that said, no, you can't leave the union - what the federal government wants is more important than what the states want, especially their tax money...

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:53 | 3088182 trav777
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this was the plan of the political left when the Js brought communism into the US during the industrial age.  Eventual replacement of all values, total change of the entire moral system, everything.  It's always been about total systemic revolution and transformation from top to bottom.

The left political class really kicked this in the backside with the open doors immigration policies...they abandoned the importation of those who might go 50/50 blue/red and went straight for those who could reliably elect THEM and only THEM over and over again, no matter how much they stole.  Look at cities like Detroilet or DC, as they INSISTED on corruption at the top, hey go to jail, get out, and we will elect you again!  That type of reliable bloc vote is on the blue team now.

And they encouraged population growth in their demographics and made more costly population growth in their opponents'.  The useful idiots helped them all the way.  Now the blue team revels in its counterculturalness...and it has made open its desire to get rid of all of the 'evil' things that plagued the history of the nation and fundamentally transform it into something "fairer"=more beneficial for them, regardless of merit.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:56 | 3088192 Imminent Crucible
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You're making WAY too much sense, Trav. Dial it back, it's unnerving me.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:44 | 3088581 francis_sawyer
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 "Js" Trav???... Cute... I'd go ahead & start using that one but I prefer to call a spade a spade [oh wait]...

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:02 | 3088221 surf0766
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I think we can call it a week on your comments. No more needs to be said .

Merry Christmas..

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:09 | 3088250 AnAnonymous
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The left is just a subset of 'americans'

All 'americans' want the same.

That kind of revolution in values started on 1776, July, 4th.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:57 | 3088400 machineh
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Back when your ancestors were eating bugs and roots and larvae.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:52 | 3088378 IrritableBowels
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three sevens now?

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:57 | 3088401 The Joker
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Mom, is that you? 

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 19:40 | 3088733 Diogenes
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It was Roosevelt who swung the steering wheel to the left, starting in 1932.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:17 | 3088035 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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FBI Crime Stats, Final 2011 :

Murders :


Murders by RIFLES :

323 or 2.55% (this does not differentiate a hunting rifle, so called assault rifle, etc.)

Murders by SHOTGUNS :

356 or 2.81%

Murders by HANDS, FISTS, FEET, etc. :

728 or 5.75%



Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:24 | 3088063 cossack55
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Close all the marital ai.......uh.....martial arts studios NOW!!!!!

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:48 | 3088160 therearetoomany...
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Actually, seeing as rifles and shotguns must be operated by hands...shouldn't those go in the Hands, Fist Feet category?


Oh wait, that's that old 'guns don't kill people' thingy

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:56 | 3088190 trav777
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murders by demographic that consitutes maybe 3% of the population:  54%


Fri, 12/21/2012 - 17:58 | 3088402 Calmyourself
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Trav has a point here..  Remove racial minorities from murder stats we rank midway among euro stats. 

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 18:19 | 3088493 lakecity55
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Altho' 'politically incorrect,' there is One group who refuses to assimilate, except for the 10% of that group who get out of the herd mentality.


Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:17 | 3088040 gatorengineer
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Remember Michael Douglas in Falling down.  Well that angry white man has been emasculated, and branded a racist.... hes gone.  

The middle class is evaporating leaving only the Obama block at the bottom, and the wallstreet block at the top..


Game over bitchez....

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:26 | 3088069 cossack55
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Just perhaps those two groups will be so busy screwing each other they may leave the rest of us alone.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:38 | 3088113 Bad Attitude
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They won't leave the rest of us alone. The bottom is motivated by envy and the top by greed. The middle will keep getting squeezed until everything falls apart.

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:48 | 3088159 Hacked Economy
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I forgot about that movie.  Regardless of whether or not one agrees with the underlying premise of the story and the main character's breakdown, it sure was a classic.  I think I might need to see it again...

Fri, 12/21/2012 - 20:00 | 3088807 francis_sawyer
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I'm not economically viable...

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