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Ron Paul: Government Security Is Just Another Kind Of Violence

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From Ron Paul

Government Security Is Just Another Kind Of Violence

The senseless and horrific killings last week in Newtown, Connecticut reminded us that a determined individual or group of individuals can cause great harm no matter what laws are in place.  Connecticut already has restrictive gun laws relative to other states, including restrictions on fully automatic, so-called “assault” rifles and gun-free zones. 

Predictably, the political left responded to the tragedy with emotional calls for increased gun control.  This is understandable, but misguided. The impulse to have government “do something” to protect us in the wake national tragedies is reflexive and often well intentioned.  Many Americans believe that if we simply pass the right laws, future horrors like the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting can be prevented.  But this impulse ignores the self evident truth that criminals don't obey laws.   

The political right, unfortunately, has fallen into the same trap in its calls for quick legislative solutions to gun violence.  If only we put armed police or armed teachers in schools, we’re told, would-be school shooters will be dissuaded or stopped. 

While I certainly agree that more guns equals less crime and that private gun ownership prevents many shootings, I don’t agree that conservatives and libertarians should view government legislation, especially at the federal level, as the solution to violence.  Real change can happen only when we commit ourselves to rebuilding civil society in America, meaning a society based on family, religion, civic and social institutions, and peaceful cooperation through markets.  We cannot reverse decades of moral and intellectual decline by snapping our fingers and passing laws. 

Let’s not forget that our own government policies often undermine civil society, cheapen life, and encourage immorality.  The president and other government officials denounce school violence, yet still advocate for endless undeclared wars abroad and easy abortion at home.  U.S. drone strikes kill thousands, but nobody in America holds vigils or devotes much news coverage to those victims, many of which are children, albeit, of a different color.

Obviously I don’t want to conflate complex issues of foreign policy and war with the Sandy Hook shooting, but it is important to make the broader point that our federal government has zero moral authority to legislate against violence.

Furthermore, do we really want to live in a world of police checkpoints, surveillance cameras, metal detectors, X-ray scanners, and warrantless physical searches?  We see this culture in our airports: witness the shabby spectacle of once proud, happy Americans shuffling through long lines while uniformed TSA agents bark orders.  This is the world of government provided "security," a world far too many Americans now seem to accept or even endorse.  School shootings, no matter how horrific, do not justify creating an Orwellian surveillance state in America.

Do we really believe government can provide total security?  Do we want to involuntarily commit every disaffected, disturbed, or alienated person who fantasizes about violence?  Or can we accept that liberty is more important than the illusion of state-provided security? Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place.  Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives.  We shouldn’t settle for substituting one type of violence for another. Government role is to protect liberty, not to pursue unobtainable safety.

Our freedoms as Americans preceded gun control laws, the TSA, or the Department of Homeland Security.  Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference, not by safety. It is easy to clamor for government security when terrible things happen; but liberty is given true meaning when we support it without exception, and we will be safer for it.


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Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:28 | 3092819 NoDebt
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I'm with ya, Ron.  It's just not in fashion right now.  Only circumstances will change things at this point, as I think you found out in DC.

They're on a power trip in DC right now that makes heroin look like Pixie Stix.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:36 | 3092838 Zer0head
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safety has supplaneted liberty from the assholes on CNN who end every disaster broadcast with the words "stay safe" to the retarded reporter standing in the middle of a hurricane to the skin and bones soccer moms who ferry their precious to the school a block and a half away or the assholes who pronounce that they have no problem CCTV if it can save just one life

we are a society of safety over liberty

stay safe emeffers stay safe

but build a house out of telephone poles in the mojave desert without a building permit and your going to jail cause the house might not be safe

"County code enforcement officers argued that the creation wasn't structurally sound and was a fire and earthquake risk",0,59281...

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:48 | 3092886 Cognitive Dissonance
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The following is the true reason for his sentence.

"Prosecutors argued that Fahey showed a deliberate disregard for authority and had no one but himself to blame for his fate."

God dammed upity slaves.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:05 | 3092940 MillionDollarBonus_
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While ZHers obsess over ‘liberty’ and ‘freedom of speech’, terrorists are planning to destroy America and cause untold destruction. Why don’t you idiots try living in the real world for a change, instead of this no-government, no-federal-reserve fantasy land where there is no terroriststic or criminalistic activity, no thieves and no corruption. Sorry idiots, but the only way to protect us from dangers like this is to give more power to politicians and let them work on a solution. If any of you morons has a better solution, I’d love to hear it.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:09 | 3092955 LynRobison
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Where are you going to find these angelic politicians who are not criminals themselves?

In your utopian world, who watches the watchers?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:30 | 3093015 Enslavethechild...
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This will explain what they're really up to


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:07 | 3093129 Dr Benway
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When libertards claim there would be less random gun violence if there were guns everywhere, they prove their complete disregard for reason and common sense. Therefore, I need not use arguments here. Instead, let me just say fuck you, you fucking morons. Fuck you forever. Fuck you and fuck off.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:19 | 3093171 UGrev
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Clearly you do not understand the concept of "Easy Prey/Target".  The fact that there are over 90million gun owners and of that segment, there are millions who carry concealed proves you WRONG!

Furthermore, there is no wild west as you would like to believe would happen. Oh yes.. you want to believe that because you're a fucking idiot to the highest degree. You can't fathom how people would actually restrain themselves because somehow, owningn a weapon means you're going to use it at every chance you can irrationally determine to use it.  No sir, there is no wild west like you suggest (implicitly). 

Kindly pull your head out of your fucking ass and get with the GD program. You're fucking it up for the rest of us. Figure it out or GFTO. 

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:25 | 3093188 Dr Benway
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The US has murder and incarceration rates of a third world nation. And it's because of... too few handguns there. OK.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:44 | 3093232 A Lunatic
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What has the incarceration rate got to do with private gun ownership? The gun/knife free UK is the crime capitol of the world hands down, The U.S. doesn't even make it into the top ten. Do your homework.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:53 | 3093248 Dr Benway
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No connection between handgun prevalence and murder rates? Haha you are all fucking mentally disabled.

And UK having more homicides than the US? Haha you are mongo

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:56 | 3093267 A Lunatic
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The facts are out there, and seeing that you have internet capability I'm certain you could do your own research and become acquainted with them. It seems however that you are hopelessly agenda driven, which I find to be sad when you are virtually drowning in a sea of intelligence........

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:00 | 3093449 AldousHuxley
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government's role is not to protect liberty, but to protect property. They don't give a shit about your liberty. but if your house asset value belongs in a portfolio held by the elite, then yes they care.


Also, government has multiple roles, but the question today is how much does it cost for those services which government has monopoly of?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:16 | 3093491 Citxmech
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Oh come on guys, don't you want to trade those old quaint rags, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights (as well as the Magna Carta) for the safety of a womb-like police state where nothing bad ever happens?

Note the wise sentiments of the esteemed Fareed Zakaria who recently pointed to China as a beacon of national safety where school children are merely slashed with knives - isn't living under a system like China's (or by extension, N. Korea's) worth the inconvenience to feel as safe as their citizenry?  <just writing that makes me want to puke, btw>

Listening to all these neutered pussies clamoring to turn in their hard-won rights like those deluded souls who would sell their guns in a government promoted buy-back campaign also makes me sick.

Turn in you guns if you want, but don't try to deny me my inalienable right to defend myself from any who would attempt to deny me any of those rights by force.




Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:28 | 3093519 AldousHuxley
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bill of rights don't mean a thing when you don't have money in a capitalistic system.





Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:32 | 3093617 hapless
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Exactly.  Bill of rights just gets in the way of taking other people's stuff from them.  Next thing you know people will be expected to work.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 17:59 | 3093767 Spirit Of Truth
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Mon, 12/24/2012 - 19:23 | 3093869 redpill
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There are 100,000 public schools in the United States.

If just 1 out of 5 men aged 20-70 years old volunteered to spend ONE SINGLE DAY PER YEAR guarding their local public school with their own firearm we would have armed protection for our children for the entire school year without a need for a single government thug.  Hell we could make it 2 out of every 5 men, they can guard each other too to ensure no funny business.  And I'm sure there would be plenty of women interested in participating in the program as well.

Point being is that we have more than enough people and resources to protect our children from this type of violence if government would get out of the way and allow the citizenry to protect itself.

Say what you want about George Zimmerman, I wish he was there that day at Sandy Hook Elementary.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:05 | 3094231 silverserfer
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One better is to have trained faculty be armed. forget volunteers. Teaching jobs are at a premium and a couple of classes in law enforcement/crime prevention, concealed weapon permitas part of the ciriculum when a person gets a teaching degree would be a FUCK LOT better idea then to hire a FUCKING COP to guard a school at $60K a year as proposed by the fucktard NRA union.   

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:25 | 3094257 prains
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400 americans own more wealth than 150,000,000 hard working, law abiding, honest american people> This is a FACT that can't be disputed. You are being duped into thinking otherwise and need to WAKE UP !!

This is all about control of YOUR wealth. None of these 400 have earned this right IT HAS BEEN STOLEN FROM YOU by crony oligarchian corptocracies that have bought your GOV'T. WAKE UP before it's too late.





Tue, 12/25/2012 - 03:39 | 3094331 derek_vineyard
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want my guns?

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Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:49 | 3096227 Fizzywig
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Oh noes! Someone shot the tip of your finger off.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 22:43 | 3095583 LiquidBrick
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Why should they volunteer? Who will pay for their gas on the way to the school? Who will pay for their car insurance? Or Lunch? Or Insurance in case they get shot?

See? Volunteering is big-business. There is no such thing as a free ride anymore.



Tue, 12/25/2012 - 22:43 | 3095584 LiquidBrick
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Why should they volunteer? Who will pay for their gas on the way to the school? Who will pay for their car insurance? Or Lunch? Or Insurance in case they get shot?

See? Volunteering is big-business. There is no such thing as a free ride anymore.



Tue, 12/25/2012 - 16:51 | 3095161 TrulyBelieving
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The "Bill of Rights" applies to all men equally. And when it doesn't it more closely resembles the socialist, fascist system that you, AldousHuxley, believe in.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:28 | 3093521 Enslavethechild...
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We the Bankers, by the Bankers, for the Bankers, in order to form a more perfect method of stealing, murdering and enslaving...

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:14 | 3093487 Zer0head
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large pdf open at your own risk


lots of killing going on but to simplistically draw a correlation between gun ownership and homicide rate ignores issues including demographics, economics, urbanization, gang activity, drugs etc. not to mention quality and nature of the data and reporting.


Of interest of the nearly half million homicides per year globally the UNDOC (and they are NWO slime) estimate that 58% are committed with guns.

Sorry got that wrong actually this UN agency says that of the nearly half million homicides per year only 42% involve guns.  hmmmm

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:23 | 3093610 edb5s
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I'd advise you to check the prevalence of gun ownership in Switzerland and compare it to their murder rate.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 20:06 | 3093934 Urban Redneck
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The problem in Switzerland isn't even the lawfully owned firearms, there are less than 20 murders per year involving a firearm (in a population significantly less than metro Chicago) a significant number of those are traced to the illegal guns that the damn wetbacks smuggle in from the EUSSR.

The anti-gun nuts here went on a crusade against Swiss suicide by firearm in the last referendum (which is ironic given that assisted suicide is somewhat legal- to the point there is concern to avoid Switzerland becoming a destination for that sort of medical tourism).

In 2001, in the massacre at the Cantonal parliament in Zug- 14 people were murdered (which single handedly screwed the statistics for that year), but there was no major gun law passed as a result, the 2010 law actually had a lot to do with the Schengen Treaty and harmonization of laws with the EUSSR Nazis...

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:35 | 3094258 conspicio
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Switzerland, ahh yes, funny you mention Switzerland. The funny thing about Switzerland is the vast homogeneity of their culture. There is no Kwanzaa bullshit there, no bloods and crips, no Compton hoods of endless bloodshed, glorification of subversive cultures of death and destruction via rapping, and territorial drug wars. No, there is nothing there but the lilly whiteness of hundreds of years of neutral survival and shared utopian vision for their future.

In short, the Swiss don't put up with any ungrateful minority populace usurping their daily practice of governance, finance, and culture. So yes, there is Switzerland, but when someone actually gives a fuck about what level of civil insurgency they tolerate in their country, then you get the Swiss result. Unlike the Swiss, assimilation is no longer forced in the US, it is a free-for all of cultural confusion. The Swiss will have none of this bullshit.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 22:38 | 3094078 DRT RD
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I don't have an econ Phd., but I do known that correlation doesn't equal causation. 

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:54 | 3093252 TWSceptic
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In Belgium we have strict gun laws. This is the result: Now victims can be killed more slowly with knifes instead. What's more important though, there is much more crime per capita.


Did you know that the US actually has less crime and violence per capita than a majority of other developed nations? Of course you didn't, the MSM doesn't like that information...


Probably an educational video for you:

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:00 | 3093276 AnAnonymous
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The US is also a less densely populated area.

For some, it only takes a few steps to get a killing. For some others, it takes a car drive.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:04 | 3093288 TheFourthStooge-ing
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For Chinese citizenism citizens, it takes blobbing up into Tibet.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:10 | 3093300 AnAnonymous
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More fractional reserve by this 'american'.

Fractional reserve is 'american' nature.

One eye for one eye, they used to say.

With 'americans', it has turned into

ten eyes for one eye.

Bankers are just 'americans' who happen to be bankers.

Tibet is being used to explain every endeavour by 'americans', GB, Iraq, Libya, the school shooting etc

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:35 | 3093368 TheFourthStooge-ing
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More fictional reserve by this Chinese citizenism 'AnAnonymican'.

Fictional reserve is Chinese citizenism propagandation eternal nature.

With Chinese citizenism citizens, 'americans' are a convenient exterior to push blame off onto. The incapacity of Chinese citizenism citizens for self indiction is infamous.

 'Americanism' is being used to explain every endeavour by Chinese citizenism citizens, poisoned rivers, polluted air, Tibetan self immolations, desertification etc

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:03 | 3093456 AldousHuxley
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guns dont' kill people idiots do, so let's get rid of all idiots



Mon, 12/24/2012 - 20:27 | 3093963 margaris
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A Sociopath combined with

Psychiatric medication

--->    Killer in the making.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 20:38 | 3093975 mbarido
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PLUS +1,000,000 (Million)

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 10:18 | 3094496 jerry_theking_lawler
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if you got rid of all the idiots...then we would only have a 1 party system....

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 17:18 | 3095217 The Navigator
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hmmm........ maybe we'd have a no party system

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:11 | 3094239 silverserfer
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your older dumpster baby sister would disaprove of your comments ananoymous if she were alive today.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:12 | 3094240 silverserfer
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 right meao!

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:35 | 3093628 Calmyourself
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Actually hang out in your local square long enough a T-72 will run you over.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:15 | 3093488 Ookspay
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No guns used, huh...

My favorite is Julio, he just wanted to kill himself and his girlfriend. Not being able to get a gun he used a gallon of gasoline and torched the nightclub where she worked, 87 dead, Julio lived.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 17:46 | 3093735 nmewn
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Yep...clearly gasolines fault ;-)

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 18:41 | 3093806 DaveyJones
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clearly, ethanol would have reduced the fatalities.

Merry Christmas Nmewn

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 18:53 | 3093825 nmewn
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lol...and a Merry Christmas to you and yours Davey...and have a safe & Happy New Year!

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 20:30 | 3093966 redpill
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I've said it before, go ahead and ban guns, just wait until these psychotic geniuses start getting creative...I won't even list the possibilities, I think your imagination will suffice.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 21:23 | 3094009 nmewn
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I'm just amazed how "some people" just roll over to all the MSM hype, on nothing but pure emotional adrenaline alone.

Gary Kleck (criminologist FSU) destroyed the "progressive" meme of a bad gun on a societal cost benefit analysis long ago...back in the 90's I think.

Guns are used far more (to protect life & property) than they are used to take life or orders of magnitude, it's not even close.

But of course, we don't hear about Granny capping the two burglars coming through her window in the middle of the night in the national media. We hear about a thug Kansas City football player kiling his wife/girlfriend, then killing himself via Bob fucking Costas.

And so it goes.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 21:43 | 3094019 A Lunatic
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I have been on both sides of the equation. I have stopped crime from going any further through a display of superior force in the form of a hand gun, and I have also been brutally beaten with no immediate means of defense, and were it not for a concerned citizen I would most likely have been killed. Given a choice I prefer to have the means to defend my (or your) life and liberty in a time of need. I'd guess most informed people feel that way. Merry Christmas...........

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 22:57 | 3094107 nmewn
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It has a whole different feel about when it's your ass (or a friend or loved one's ass) on the line doesn't it?

It's not so "nuanced" or academic or the feigned concern for your fellow man. All that takes a back seat to simple survival.

Yes, I've been there too.

Merry Christmas my brother, we've made it this far ;-)

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 00:15 | 3094180 Miffed Microbio...
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Lunatic, life experience is a far greater teacher than academics. I've been so fortunate never been victim of a serious crime ( being pickpocketed in Paris was about the extent of it though I was bruised up after beating the hell out the Frenchman!) However, working 6 years in a hospital ER really opened my sheltered eyes. I've seen numerous fatal stabbings and shootings. Those who weren't properly prepared or armed usually died in horrible manners. There were some happy endings such as the late night parking attendant who had been brutally beaten and robbed, returned to his job armed with a shotgun. When the same thugs came a month later for a repeat of a previous easy target he shot one in the chest point blank. The trauma dr called me in to see what was left of him as an " education" 'cause I was the newbie at the time. Or the time a serial carjaker picked a marine and was fatally stabbed in the throat,chest and abdomen. Most victims didn't fair so well. I honestly feel liberal gun grabber academics would lose some of their ideology if they just spend a month on graveyards in an hospital ER. Stay safe and have a Merry Christmas!


Tue, 12/25/2012 - 13:33 | 3094809 UGrev
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REF:  See armed guards around every liberal douche bag official. 

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:00 | 3093275 Abaco
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Perhaps we have the murder and incareration rates of a third-world nation because the governmetn behaves like the government of a third-world nation. One of the biggest causes of violent crime is the insane, third-world do what I say dictator mentality, that wages a phony war on drugs against non-violent people. 

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 00:18 | 3094183 Anusocracy
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Completely true.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:32 | 3093358 UGrev
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read this:

Then feel free to shut the fuck up for a really, really, really long time. 

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:25 | 3093512 Citxmech
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Best observation ever:

"The single best way to respond to a mass shooter is with an immediate, violent response. The vast majority of the time, as soon as a mass shooter meets serious resistance, it bursts their fantasy world bubble. Then they kill themselves or surrender. This has happened over and over again."

Thanks for posting!

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:15 | 3093596 UGrev
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You are welcome. However, the thanks you give i must pass to Larry for his insight. What i get out of it is listening to the explosive, deafening, sound of millions of liberal bubbles Bursting at once. It's priceless vindication. 

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 17:57 | 3093761 nmewn
Mon, 12/24/2012 - 18:48 | 3093819 DaveyJones
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interesting stuff and pretty consistent with my observation of violent criminals for 22 years. Most of them deliberately target the far end of the vulnerable spectrum. Make sense

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 00:20 | 3094188 Anusocracy
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Sort of what the US does.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:33 | 3093527 Jendrzejczyk
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Thanks UG. +10

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 20:02 | 3093936 rwl160
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very good read...two thumps up..

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 23:30 | 3094146 UGrev
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I think I'm going to print it out and keep a copy in my inner jacket pocket for those times when a liberal feels like popping a brain vessel about gun control.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 03:19 | 3094323 UGrev
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Curious if the 2 down voters have the balls to ident themselves. 

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 10:53 | 3094562 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Wish I had more up votes. Thanks for the link Here's my favorite line:

"Gun Free Zones are hunting preserves for innocent people. Period." Priceless.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 00:33 | 3095682 bgbarrelridr
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Opps, i did one; hit the wrong arrow by mistake.

I just read the whole article and will be printing it out. Good stuff

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 17:15 | 3093683 Translator
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Dear Dr Dumbass,



Imagine how high the murder rate would be if Niggers comprised 80% of the country and not 11%.......

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 17:42 | 3093725 WarriorClass
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The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. 
-MailOnLine (Dailymail dot co dot uk)

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.
The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour. 

The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence.

In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.

The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show: 
The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.
It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.
But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.
The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

The UK has over 4 times the violent crimes than does the US. Once again proving that disarming the people emboldens criminals and creates more crime.

Watch what happens when Guns are banned in Australia - YouTube

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 18:03 | 3093770 nmewn
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1997...1997...I seem to remember 1997, what happened in "Jolly old England" in 1997?

Ohhh...that's right...they banned handguns.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:25 | 3093189 bob_stl
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Yes, it's obvious by your comment that you must be an easy person to reason with.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:31 | 3093205 AGAU
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From an outsiders perspective (europe) looking at the US, I think you really need to have guns now. Forget 'random gun violence', that's not much to worry about considering the danger that your government poses, your gov is psycho, I'm actually afraid for you.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:43 | 3093228 Dr Benway
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So gun ownership will protect against gov fucking you? How has that really worked out so far? They can keep screwing you insidiously forever, and if one of you take up arms, even ever so righteously, you will be picked off. So how will the guns help you? Are you advocating violent total overthrow of the current gov? No?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:46 | 3093241 A Lunatic
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You mistake patience and tolerance for fear and weakness. Self project much?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:01 | 3093277 Dr Benway
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Ah so wait grumpily but non-violently for that final sign when it kicks off and the guns will be of use in righteous revolution? Guess what, pussy, that day will never come unless you commit to violent overthrow of the current gov, which is already as corrupt as can be. So what are you waiting for? Someone else to do the work you are too afraid of?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:03 | 3093286 A Lunatic
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I do not feed Trolls, get your handouts somewhere else.........

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:57 | 3093569 A Nanny Moose
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Guns are there, so they don't need to be used....just like nukes.

Why are you compelled to resort violence? Force is what got us here in the first place. Force is what resulted in Napolean.

Merely using the system exactly as it is intended, in order to reclaim your stolen property, would be a more justifieable method of untangling this Gordian Knot. Better yet, just be the change you want to be in the world. That which cannot continue, will not continue.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:06 | 3093290 AnAnonymous
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So gun ownership will protect against gov fucking you? How has that really worked out so far?

Stating the right objective to assess success.

'Americans' run an extorting of the weak, farming of the poor business.

The 'american' state has been the most formidable tool in providing success in this endeavour, acting as the most efficient primary enforcer for 'americans'

But it might happen that the State fails, shrinks due to lack of resources.

And in any time, requirements for the extorter and the farmer remain the same: you need a primary enforcer and the appropriated tools.

If indeed guns were to limit the government in its excess, it would be known already.

Guns in 'american' societies are here to serve so that the primary enforcer, the State, fails, allowing any 'american' to step in and become his own primary enforcer of his little extorting of the weak, farming of the poor scheme.

That is what guns are for in 'american' societies.

Keep on the page.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:24 | 3093333 Everybodys All ...
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Your schtick has grown old with me. I will just say this. I don't care where you are from but without 'americans' you would still be humping camels in the dark.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:06 | 3093583 zerotohero
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Actually I think it is well documented that Amerika has never won a war or had an invasion go in their favour - sooooo I think we can live without your help.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:39 | 3093378 TheFourthStooge-ing
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In 'american' farming schemes, AnAnonymous would be plowed under as a weed.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:30 | 3093616 piceridu
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So gun ownership will protect against gov fucking you? How has that really worked out so far?


The answer is yes! Can you imagine how fucked we'd be from getting fucked if we didn't having fucking guns?


I love the eff word! It's malleable!

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 19:36 | 3093899 centerline
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I don't even read your posts anymore.  No need.  One trick pony.  Take your anger problem elsewhere.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 00:27 | 3094196 Anusocracy
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If you attempt to understand what you wrote you will understand why governments should be disarmed and civilians fully armed.

Government has no compunction about killing any or all. Look at history.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:28 | 3093294 Ookspay
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Hey fuckwad, It doesn't matter what you think; God gives me the right to protect myself and the Constitution codifies that right.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:17 | 3093315 formadesika3
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I'm curious, Dr Benway, what are you a doctor of?

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 03:52 | 3094336 Raymond Reason
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Does it matter?  They all push the same drugs. 

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 06:02 | 3094364 formadesika3
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It depends on one's susceptibility or "particular poison" some call it. But it's not the particular drug that piques my interest, it's the method of delivery.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:40 | 3093383 escargot
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People really need to come up with a better way of pontificating than simply putting "tard" at the end of certain nouns.  

By the way...what is your agenda?  What's with the "fuck you fuck blah blah fuck off blah blah"?  You drunk or something?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:48 | 3093043 Texas Ginslinger
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lib·er·tar·i·an (lbr-târ-n) n.

1. One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state.

 2. One who believes in free will.


Within the libertarian set of rules (or non-rules) do indiviual rights & free will mean that there are fewer controls on gun ownership and the mindset of those who can access them..??

If I have a neighbor who seems to be mentally unbalanced, who tells me they received a gun for Christmas, do I take matters into my own hands rather than involving the government..??   

Do I buy a gun and some ammo to protect myself from my crazy neighbor, or do I call a mental health agency and explain the situation..?? 

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:35 | 3093220 urwright
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TINA! there is no alternative!!!

me? God gave me legs. i'd walk away (or in your case move) 

or plant a bigger seed of fear in his mind and see what he is made of as to build a better understanding of your relationship or a better understanding of your ability to stand up for yourself

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:08 | 3093292 AnAnonymous
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'American' economics is all about consumption.

So at one end, increase the supply of a product. It helps up consumption.
On the other end, edict a law to control or ban the supplied product, it helps up the consumption.

'American' economics is all about consumption.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:45 | 3093400 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The impossibility to self indict in Chinese citizenism leads to the weirdest result.

The culture of dung pertaining to Chinese citizenism is baffling.

Bear with it, roadside defecation requires resources. Excretion is consumption.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 00:54 | 3094218 MeelionDollerBogus
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in 'consumption' China favoringism AnOccupation may occur around 'nail house' dilemma confucionism 'citizenism' yet still reveal anOpportunity as 'preppers' and 'liberal' middleclass 'ameritinisms' behold

Please, get a boat and fall off it.

Not this boat, it's going to the 'other lake'. You get to ride the empty one.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 20:27 | 3093957 rwl160
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you talk to him.. maybe he's not all that imbalanced and just a prepper like you.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:11 | 3092961 Bay of Pigs
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LOL, thx for the chuckle MDB.

Merry Christmas Tyler(s).

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:47 | 3093066 francis_sawyer
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Hey MDB... Do they let MK Monarchs like yourself off for a few days over the holidays?...

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:06 | 3093123 resurger
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ye forgot about tha MC Tylers and all ZHers!


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:34 | 3093019 CPL
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terrist!  IN'Murica?  

Unpossible.  Maybe running it you mean.  Haven't seen the large and power Afgani roll up on brighton beach and shell the fuck out of the place yet.


When it happens I'll be watching closely.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:17 | 3093160 azzhatter
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How could we possibly have terrorists? We have TSA

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:58 | 3093102 GCT
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MDB love your satire!!!  Get a clue the political solution of making gun free zones did not work to be honest.  So much for safety.  Get rid of the gun free zones as this law does not work.  I am not advocating the arming of teachers but they too have a right to defend themselves.  Funny how 100% every single mass shooting in the last 20 years has taken place in a gun free zone. 

You see people do not like to go to the police station to commit these crimes because they shoot back.  If a teacher wants to CC they should have that right.  The real issue is deterrance as you do not know who is CCing.  Alot of this senseless violence would go away.  Alot of this violence would also go  away if the media and idiots like you would stop posting this smucks picture and investigating his past simply to further someone's agenda.  Now the next fucking nutcase will realise I can go to basically any gunfree zone and kill and be on TV every year.

Not alot pisses me off but these laws you want protect no one to be honest.  They will never take away firearms.  Too many states also have the right to bear arms in them and state laws trump federal laws.  You just keep sipping that fricking sugar juice they will never stop someone from killing someone.



Mon, 12/24/2012 - 18:40 | 3093804 Citxmech
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"Too many states also have the right to bear arms in them and state laws trump federal laws."

Er, I think you have that backwards.  Search:  "Preemption"

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:22 | 3093181 bob_stl
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Buddy, you're the one who needs to try to look at the real world rather than through the dark cloudy glasses of the fear mongering right. You watch a bunch of screaming meemees on Foxnews and think you know what is actually going on in the world. Yes, terrorists can destroy a building and cause deaths here and there but they can't destroy America. They can't even destroy Israel which is about the size of New Jersey. They are just not that powerful. The real destruction to America's values are due to the fear and knee jerk reaction of people like you to pass restrictions on freedom and liberty of our own citizens. I would rather live with the danger of terrorists abroad than uninformed terrorists like you here at home.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:43 | 3093235 urwright
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MDB - you are the solution.

give the power to the poser and let the chips fall where they are suppose to cause YOU are doing everything to make clear it is nagging that will be done and that is all that will be done

thanks for what you do and Merrg Xmas especially 2U

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:33 | 3093528 shovelhead
Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:43 | 3093636 Cloud9.5
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Interesting concept, but experience has shown me that I can never find a cop when I need one.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:44 | 3093638 cranky-old-geezer
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MDB is a drive-by troll, posting a comment then running off. 

Don't feed the trolls.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 19:26 | 3093878 Dugald
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YOU are a large part of the problem, you and the rest of the nut jobs who are turning American into a land of Looney Tunes.

The one good thing about what's happening in America it that it serves to show the rest of world the path not to follow.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 21:26 | 3094011 q99x2
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I don't see a line of people waiting for politicians to provide them with solutions. Go for it bright boy.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 00:48 | 3094216 MeelionDollerBogus
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Ya, we call them "Mossad", thanks for the reminder.

Like our matching Christmas hats? I think mine belongs on your icon but heh, it is what it is.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 15:49 | 3095076 WhiteNight123129
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Where were you MDB we missed your newspeak. We are here a group of proles subversively reacquiring knowledge of old monetary theory and good principles, freedom, literrature, philosophy, poltics as it was discussed before the ugly XXth century.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 18:05 | 3093771 knukles
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Why the "/sarc" following the comment "God damned upity slaves"?
I fail to see the sarcasm, except the inclusion of the "/sarc" comment itself.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:04 | 3092926 Waterfallsparkles
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You said it.  Just try to be a Landlord in Baltimore County.  Every rental has to be registered.  For a fee of course.  To get your Rental License you have to have the Rental inspected by a Home Inspector. At a fee of course.  You have to have the Property tested for Lead Paint.  For a very large fee of course.  You have to have a wired Smoke Detector which is interconnected to the basement.  Electricians are expensive.  You have to have a Carbon Monoxide Detector.

Then there is the so called Code Enforcement that will give you a ticket for pealing paint, downed drain spout, etc. for $100. per day, per violation. And the most disturbing is the Trash can lid ticket.  If they find the lid off your Trash Can you get a Violation Notice for $100. per day.  These Violations call for the $100. a day fine and up to a year in Jail.  My friend just got two Violations for missing Trash Can lids for $250. each.  Now she has to go to the Kangaroo Court to explain why she cannot be at the property 24 hours a day to make sure the Tenants put the lids on the Trash cans.  They put the fine right on your Property Tax bill so you cannot avoid paying them.  Just to appeal the fine you have to pay the fine and another $150. appellant fee.

Have to keep those Tenants safe.  Yet there is no requirement for Homeowners to ensure their safety.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:26 | 3093000 a growing concern
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This is an excellent reason why you shouldn't live in a Democrat controlled shithole of a city in the north east. There are still some places where people are allowed to take care of themselves.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:08 | 3093471 Texas Ginslinger
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Permanently attaching a long bungee cord to the barrel (on either side) and through the lid handle solves that problem.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 17:22 | 3093693 knowless
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Not really.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:36 | 3093032 CPL
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Can't have all this 'freedom' without taxes and taxes disguised as fines.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:18 | 3093167 azzhatter
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She should go to kangaroo court with an AR15. Let's get this party started

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:24 | 3093310 Waterfallsparkles
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What is rather funny about the whole Trash Can lid fine is the extreme efforts the landlords go to to keep their Trash Can lids from being taken.  If you drive down the alley you will see Trash Can lids chained to fences with chains that even the most savvy thief could not cut to take your lids.  Or the people that chain them with heavy chains to the trash can themselves.

The other funny thing is that it is kind of like musical chairs.  When one Landlord gets fined they or their Tenant takes the lids off other peoples trash cans.  Which when the Landlord notices that their trash can lid is missing they then take lids off someone elses trash can. There is almost no trash can that has a matching lid in the Neighborhood. Kind of like roving Trash Can Lids.  I had 2 Trash cans with the lids attached but they were stolen.

And of course with the Rental Licensing Law the County knows just where the Rental Property's are.  That is where they issue the Violations.  They NEVER site an Owner Occupied property.  Just Rentals.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 17:03 | 3093663 cranky-old-geezer
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Then sell your rental properties and get out of the rental business.

That's WHY they go after rental properties, they're BUSINESSES, and the city has FULL CONTROL over businesses.

I think incorporated cities should be dissoved.   It's a MARSHALL LAW VENUE during peacetime, which is unconstitutional in America ...or used to be.

Being in city limits is just like being on a military base.  You have no rights.  The Bill of Rights doesn't apply there.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 21:11 | 3093980 Waterfallsparkles
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Well Crankie, the solution sounds simple.  Right.

It is not so simple.  Especially if you have owned the Property for 30 plus years.  If you have a substantial amount of equity then the gain from the sale will put you into the Alternate Minimum tax for that year.  So, you end up paying almost 50% of your gain to the Government that is terrorizing you with taxes and regulations.

And what would you do with the remaining 50% of your Money?  Put it in the Stock Market for the Traders to take it away and diminish anything you have left.  And who would you put it in a "Savings Account" at .01%? Not to mention a Money Market Account where you can lose principal?  What about Inflation? 

At least with Real Estate you can get at least a 3% return and hedge against inflation, even though the prices are down right now.  They will not stay there forever.  Plus, with inflation you can raise your rents. Once you sell and pay 50% to the Government your return on the money you have left will be 0, only on 50% less.

No matter what you do they have you as a captive slave.


Tue, 12/25/2012 - 07:03 | 3094378 Jendrzejczyk
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Pretend you live there as your primary residence for a couple of years, then sell it.

Hmmmmmm. Where to put the profits though?

Baltimore, buillion, boat, Bay.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 10:22 | 3094504 cranky-old-geezer
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At least with Real Estate you can get at least a 3% return and hedge against inflation, even though the prices are down right now.  They will not stay there forever.  Plus, with inflation you can raise your rents. Once you sell and pay 50% to the Government your return on the money you have left will be 0, only on 50% less.

Prices are down and will stay down.  No home price recovery on the horizon. If you're lucky and home prices rise 5% / yr, you're losing 10% / yr home value because inflation is 15% / yr.

Rents won't rise much due to the same factors that keep home prices down.  If rents rise 5% / yr you're losing 10% / yr because inflation is 15% / yr.

On top of those inflation-related losses, rental property is the new easy tarket cash cow for city and county govts.  Renters are notorious for ignoring city & county codes, putting owners in danger of more fines for code violations, a new revenue stream cities and counties are drooling over.

As businesses, rental properties have no right of privacy.  They're subject to code inspection at all times, and your books related to rental properties are subject to inspection at all times. 

So it's up to you.  Put up with steady loss of value and constant govt intrusion and fines, or get out of it completely.

But sitting there bitching about it won't help.

People usually associate increasing tyranny with the federal govt.

But the vast majority of it is at the city govt level.  City govts are far more tyrannical than the federal govt.  City govt goons are pure Nazis, denying all your rights, because you have no rights within city limits, it's a martial law zone just like a military base.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:04 | 3093579 A Nanny Moose
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When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - When you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - When you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you - When you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - You may know that your society is doomed." -Ayn Rand

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:12 | 3092963 Money 4 Nothing
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Ben Franklin had a message about that back in the day.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:57 | 3093097 Sockeye
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And Patrick Henry:

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:18 | 3093295 Odd Ball
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He spoke without notes; at least, none have ever been found. His speech began in a quiet smolder and ended ablaze with passion. A baptist clergyman present wrote of the orator's crescendo, "The tendons of his neck stood out white and rigid, like whipcords.  His voice rose louder and louder, until the walls of the building and all within them seemed to shake and rock in its tremoundous vibrations.  Finally his pale face and glaring eyes became terrible to look upon.  Men leaned forward in their seats with their heads strained forward, their faces pale and their eyes glaring like the speaker's...  When he sat down, I felt sick with excitement." No applause; no known reply; Richard Henry Lee seconded the resolutions; Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Nelson were reported to have spoken in favor.  The vote was called for and taken; the resolutions carried by a narrow margin of five, and the American Revolution in the largest colony was under way.  (Introduction to Patrick Henry's "give me liberty, or give me death" speech in William Safire's book "Lend Me Your Ears - Great Speeches in History".

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:10 | 3093478 Texas Ginslinger
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Scroll up to see my trash can/lid/bungee cord fix.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:26 | 3093001 Laddie
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Well said! Always have assessors and inspectors checking out our humble abode yet the Mexicans do illegal add-ons and so forth and the .gov folks pay ZERO ATTENTION. Not a peep, but if we were to do anything LOOK OUT.

The whole rail thin soccer moms and their anorexic mothers trying to look young and they drive their Lexus, Infiniti, Jaguars, Range Rovers, exactly as you said, 1.5 blocks to school, they want our kids to ride the bus with the diversity but not theirs, oh no.

This degrading of America was not by chance, but rather, by plan.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:41 | 3093047 CPL
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I'm sure there was a plan.  But what's happening now...well, I don't think anyone is in control anymore.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 17:40 | 3093723 Sparkey
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I think you've got it there, "No one is in control anymore", every plan looks good at the begining, but nothing ever goes as planned now chaos sets the agenda while the "Planners", whoever they are, wring their hands and exclaim, "it's not supposed to be like this, this isn't in the plan", time and change are inexerable and plans are, "wishful thinking," nothing more, chaos rules now, and the planners no longer initiate they react to, and try to mitigate reality's unscripted manifestations ! What will happen from here? who knows, we don't have the lurury of starting over!

Much talk of how the surveillance society will keep everyone safe; The prisons are the most surveillied societies in America, do you think the inmates feel safe there, are they safe there? No! Why not?? Because you are safe as a Citizen living in society among other citizens who share common values! It is the only way a society can function!

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:19 | 3093168 Silver Bug
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Ron Paul is The Greatest Patriot of our times.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 20:36 | 3093928 UNCOMPROMISED

ZOG traitors must be eliminated.

Here's what's going on inside the beltway:

“The Obama administration will consider executive actions and specific proposals for legislation as part of its gun policy response"


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:33 | 3093210 formadesika3
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If anybody is driving along I25 in SE Colorado, turn off at Colorado City onto SH165 and eventually you will come upon "Bishop Castle". It is open to the public for free. Prominent signs are posted on the property that you assume all risks of injury. The owner, a man named Bishop who owns a ornamental welding business, so I've been told, started it decades ago. It's quite a place, in the spirit of what America used to be, not the Disneyland attraction most people are used to.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:15 | 3093597 Miffed Microbio...
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Zero head,
Safety has not supplanted liberty. Actually it's the PERCEPTION of safety. This is the great danger today IMHO. We are no more safe then we ever have been nor ever will be. This incidious toxicity has permeated our society to the point reality for many is lost. And there seems to be no end to this madness. Liberals are just honing it to an art form but we're all guilty allowing its existence.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:47 | 3092881 Svener
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The most evil, bad, immoral people I have ever met are Christians. Religion? That's your answer? Oh brother!

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:55 | 3092909 Uncle Remus
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You need to get out of your own county more ese.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:02 | 3092934 Future Jim
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That's exactly what they wantyou to believe. you have drank the kool-aid.

BTW, I am not a Christian. I am an atheist who sees American Christians as allies in many ways because I find them to be both a little more open minded than progressives and more open to individual freedom than progressives.

There are two big reasons why American Christians are more open to freedom and to ideas in general than are progressives. 1) American Christians are more open to American tradition, which is mostly about individual liberty. 2) The entire mainstream media is constantly bashing Christians; whereas, they are constantly reinforcing progressive fallacies, thus forcing Christians to constantly think about and defend their positions, while insulating progressives from having to think about and defend their positions.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:42 | 3093049 Jreb
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Good comment. I would add to it that lately the bashing has been extended to all "mainstream religions". Noone is safe anymore if they believe in God  (or a God) or a system of beliefs that essentially sees man as free and responsible. The only acceptable religion these days is the worship of the state. We can all see how well that is working out.

For the record I am a Baptist boy living in a multicultural are in the NW. I have no issues living in a multi ethnic/religious environment at all so long as my neighbors respect the one thing essential to a civil society - our liberty. Oddly - I have noticed of late - that many of these "ethnic minorities"have a firmer grasp on the concept of individual liberty (and sound money) than their non religious euro caucsian neighbors do. I had the most incredible conversation with a young Taiwanese man and a Persian cab driver in the Canadian midwest (Edmonton) last year while on a business trip. It was encougaging and enlightening to learn that the one common thread that bonds all of humanity together is disgust with our corrupt leadership and an understanding that respect and the truth are critical elements in making a society function. Those two guys gave me more hope for our future than all the political banter elsewhere ever has.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:10 | 3092959 larz
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what does that have to do with the price of tea in china or the price of garbage can lids in baltimore Svener - I think youre in the wrong post stay on task you bitter soul

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:57 | 3093096 Waterfallsparkles
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It has to do with the Government regulating Safety to a ridiculous level.  Especially when it comes to Tenants.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 17:25 | 3093699 cranky-old-geezer
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It has nothing to do with safety.  They don't give a shit about anyone's safety.

It's about control and money ...mostly money.

Safety is just a cover story. 

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:12 | 3093143 cirrus
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Because someone says they are something doesn't make them what they say they are....

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:26 | 3093341 Snakeeyes
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God bless Ron Paul. As Rick Santelli noted, if the fiscal cliff is so important to Obama and Congress, why did they all go on vacation with a ticking clock? THEY DON'T REALLY CARE! THEY ARE IN CONTROL OF YOU.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 22:41 | 3094086 ball-and-chain
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I like Ron Paul.

But I was disappointed in his campaign.

It seemed like he was sucking up to Mittens Romney.

I'm not used to seeing Dr. Paul kissing ass.

But what do I know?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:28 | 3092823 working class dog
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Now I know why I voted for Ron Paul instead of the victorian flipper Romney, or Comrade Obama and his central planners.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:38 | 3092853 UGrev
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Same here, brother. Damn proud to say i wrote his name down. 

I will not comply.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:47 | 3092883 Ignatius
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I wrote him in for 'the message' value and if that's futile then so be it.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:56 | 3092912 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Voting is compliance. I voted for me to manage me, and no one else. Voting=validation. 

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