Ron Paul: Government Security Is Just Another Kind Of Violence

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From Ron Paul

Government Security Is Just Another Kind Of Violence

The senseless and horrific killings last week in Newtown, Connecticut reminded us that a determined individual or group of individuals can cause great harm no matter what laws are in place.  Connecticut already has restrictive gun laws relative to other states, including restrictions on fully automatic, so-called “assault” rifles and gun-free zones. 

Predictably, the political left responded to the tragedy with emotional calls for increased gun control.  This is understandable, but misguided. The impulse to have government “do something” to protect us in the wake national tragedies is reflexive and often well intentioned.  Many Americans believe that if we simply pass the right laws, future horrors like the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting can be prevented.  But this impulse ignores the self evident truth that criminals don't obey laws.   

The political right, unfortunately, has fallen into the same trap in its calls for quick legislative solutions to gun violence.  If only we put armed police or armed teachers in schools, we’re told, would-be school shooters will be dissuaded or stopped. 

While I certainly agree that more guns equals less crime and that private gun ownership prevents many shootings, I don’t agree that conservatives and libertarians should view government legislation, especially at the federal level, as the solution to violence.  Real change can happen only when we commit ourselves to rebuilding civil society in America, meaning a society based on family, religion, civic and social institutions, and peaceful cooperation through markets.  We cannot reverse decades of moral and intellectual decline by snapping our fingers and passing laws. 

Let’s not forget that our own government policies often undermine civil society, cheapen life, and encourage immorality.  The president and other government officials denounce school violence, yet still advocate for endless undeclared wars abroad and easy abortion at home.  U.S. drone strikes kill thousands, but nobody in America holds vigils or devotes much news coverage to those victims, many of which are children, albeit, of a different color.

Obviously I don’t want to conflate complex issues of foreign policy and war with the Sandy Hook shooting, but it is important to make the broader point that our federal government has zero moral authority to legislate against violence.

Furthermore, do we really want to live in a world of police checkpoints, surveillance cameras, metal detectors, X-ray scanners, and warrantless physical searches?  We see this culture in our airports: witness the shabby spectacle of once proud, happy Americans shuffling through long lines while uniformed TSA agents bark orders.  This is the world of government provided "security," a world far too many Americans now seem to accept or even endorse.  School shootings, no matter how horrific, do not justify creating an Orwellian surveillance state in America.

Do we really believe government can provide total security?  Do we want to involuntarily commit every disaffected, disturbed, or alienated person who fantasizes about violence?  Or can we accept that liberty is more important than the illusion of state-provided security? Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place.  Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives.  We shouldn’t settle for substituting one type of violence for another. Government role is to protect liberty, not to pursue unobtainable safety.

Our freedoms as Americans preceded gun control laws, the TSA, or the Department of Homeland Security.  Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference, not by safety. It is easy to clamor for government security when terrible things happen; but liberty is given true meaning when we support it without exception, and we will be safer for it.

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azzhatter's picture

How could we possibly have terrorists? We have TSA

GCT's picture

MDB love your satire!!!  Get a clue the political solution of making gun free zones did not work to be honest.  So much for safety.  Get rid of the gun free zones as this law does not work.  I am not advocating the arming of teachers but they too have a right to defend themselves.  Funny how 100% every single mass shooting in the last 20 years has taken place in a gun free zone. 

You see people do not like to go to the police station to commit these crimes because they shoot back.  If a teacher wants to CC they should have that right.  The real issue is deterrance as you do not know who is CCing.  Alot of this senseless violence would go away.  Alot of this violence would also go  away if the media and idiots like you would stop posting this smucks picture and investigating his past simply to further someone's agenda.  Now the next fucking nutcase will realise I can go to basically any gunfree zone and kill and be on TV every year.

Not alot pisses me off but these laws you want protect no one to be honest.  They will never take away firearms.  Too many states also have the right to bear arms in them and state laws trump federal laws.  You just keep sipping that fricking sugar juice they will never stop someone from killing someone.



Citxmech's picture

"Too many states also have the right to bear arms in them and state laws trump federal laws."

Er, I think you have that backwards.  Search:  "Preemption"

bob_stl's picture

Buddy, you're the one who needs to try to look at the real world rather than through the dark cloudy glasses of the fear mongering right. You watch a bunch of screaming meemees on Foxnews and think you know what is actually going on in the world. Yes, terrorists can destroy a building and cause deaths here and there but they can't destroy America. They can't even destroy Israel which is about the size of New Jersey. They are just not that powerful. The real destruction to America's values are due to the fear and knee jerk reaction of people like you to pass restrictions on freedom and liberty of our own citizens. I would rather live with the danger of terrorists abroad than uninformed terrorists like you here at home.

urwright's picture

MDB - you are the solution.

give the power to the poser and let the chips fall where they are suppose to cause YOU are doing everything to make clear it is nagging that will be done and that is all that will be done

thanks for what you do and Merrg Xmas especially 2U

Cloud9.5's picture

Interesting concept, but experience has shown me that I can never find a cop when I need one.

cranky-old-geezer's picture



MDB is a drive-by troll, posting a comment then running off. 

Don't feed the trolls.

Dugald's picture

YOU are a large part of the problem, you and the rest of the nut jobs who are turning American into a land of Looney Tunes.

The one good thing about what's happening in America it that it serves to show the rest of world the path not to follow.

q99x2's picture

I don't see a line of people waiting for politicians to provide them with solutions. Go for it bright boy.

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

Ya, we call them "Mossad", thanks for the reminder.

Like our matching Christmas hats? I think mine belongs on your icon but heh, it is what it is.

WhiteNight123129's picture

Where were you MDB we missed your newspeak. We are here a group of proles subversively reacquiring knowledge of old monetary theory and good principles, freedom, literrature, philosophy, poltics as it was discussed before the ugly XXth century.


knukles's picture


Why the "/sarc" following the comment "God damned upity slaves"?
I fail to see the sarcasm, except the inclusion of the "/sarc" comment itself.

Waterfallsparkles's picture


You said it.  Just try to be a Landlord in Baltimore County.  Every rental has to be registered.  For a fee of course.  To get your Rental License you have to have the Rental inspected by a Home Inspector. At a fee of course.  You have to have the Property tested for Lead Paint.  For a very large fee of course.  You have to have a wired Smoke Detector which is interconnected to the basement.  Electricians are expensive.  You have to have a Carbon Monoxide Detector.

Then there is the so called Code Enforcement that will give you a ticket for pealing paint, downed drain spout, etc. for $100. per day, per violation. And the most disturbing is the Trash can lid ticket.  If they find the lid off your Trash Can you get a Violation Notice for $100. per day.  These Violations call for the $100. a day fine and up to a year in Jail.  My friend just got two Violations for missing Trash Can lids for $250. each.  Now she has to go to the Kangaroo Court to explain why she cannot be at the property 24 hours a day to make sure the Tenants put the lids on the Trash cans.  They put the fine right on your Property Tax bill so you cannot avoid paying them.  Just to appeal the fine you have to pay the fine and another $150. appellant fee.

Have to keep those Tenants safe.  Yet there is no requirement for Homeowners to ensure their safety.

a growing concern's picture

This is an excellent reason why you shouldn't live in a Democrat controlled shithole of a city in the north east. There are still some places where people are allowed to take care of themselves.

Texas Ginslinger's picture

Permanently attaching a long bungee cord to the barrel (on either side) and through the lid handle solves that problem.


CPL's picture

Can't have all this 'freedom' without taxes and taxes disguised as fines.

azzhatter's picture

She should go to kangaroo court with an AR15. Let's get this party started

Waterfallsparkles's picture

What is rather funny about the whole Trash Can lid fine is the extreme efforts the landlords go to to keep their Trash Can lids from being taken.  If you drive down the alley you will see Trash Can lids chained to fences with chains that even the most savvy thief could not cut to take your lids.  Or the people that chain them with heavy chains to the trash can themselves.

The other funny thing is that it is kind of like musical chairs.  When one Landlord gets fined they or their Tenant takes the lids off other peoples trash cans.  Which when the Landlord notices that their trash can lid is missing they then take lids off someone elses trash can. There is almost no trash can that has a matching lid in the Neighborhood. Kind of like roving Trash Can Lids.  I had 2 Trash cans with the lids attached but they were stolen.

And of course with the Rental Licensing Law the County knows just where the Rental Property's are.  That is where they issue the Violations.  They NEVER site an Owner Occupied property.  Just Rentals.

cranky-old-geezer's picture



Then sell your rental properties and get out of the rental business.

That's WHY they go after rental properties, they're BUSINESSES, and the city has FULL CONTROL over businesses.

I think incorporated cities should be dissoved.   It's a MARSHALL LAW VENUE during peacetime, which is unconstitutional in America ...or used to be.

Being in city limits is just like being on a military base.  You have no rights.  The Bill of Rights doesn't apply there.


Waterfallsparkles's picture

Well Crankie, the solution sounds simple.  Right.

It is not so simple.  Especially if you have owned the Property for 30 plus years.  If you have a substantial amount of equity then the gain from the sale will put you into the Alternate Minimum tax for that year.  So, you end up paying almost 50% of your gain to the Government that is terrorizing you with taxes and regulations.

And what would you do with the remaining 50% of your Money?  Put it in the Stock Market for the Traders to take it away and diminish anything you have left.  And who would you put it in a "Savings Account" at .01%? Not to mention a Money Market Account where you can lose principal?  What about Inflation? 

At least with Real Estate you can get at least a 3% return and hedge against inflation, even though the prices are down right now.  They will not stay there forever.  Plus, with inflation you can raise your rents. Once you sell and pay 50% to the Government your return on the money you have left will be 0, only on 50% less.

No matter what you do they have you as a captive slave.


Jendrzejczyk's picture

Pretend you live there as your primary residence for a couple of years, then sell it.

Hmmmmmm. Where to put the profits though?

Baltimore, buillion, boat, Bay.

cranky-old-geezer's picture



At least with Real Estate you can get at least a 3% return and hedge against inflation, even though the prices are down right now.  They will not stay there forever.  Plus, with inflation you can raise your rents. Once you sell and pay 50% to the Government your return on the money you have left will be 0, only on 50% less.

Prices are down and will stay down.  No home price recovery on the horizon. If you're lucky and home prices rise 5% / yr, you're losing 10% / yr home value because inflation is 15% / yr.

Rents won't rise much due to the same factors that keep home prices down.  If rents rise 5% / yr you're losing 10% / yr because inflation is 15% / yr.

On top of those inflation-related losses, rental property is the new easy tarket cash cow for city and county govts.  Renters are notorious for ignoring city & county codes, putting owners in danger of more fines for code violations, a new revenue stream cities and counties are drooling over.

As businesses, rental properties have no right of privacy.  They're subject to code inspection at all times, and your books related to rental properties are subject to inspection at all times. 

So it's up to you.  Put up with steady loss of value and constant govt intrusion and fines, or get out of it completely.

But sitting there bitching about it won't help.

People usually associate increasing tyranny with the federal govt.

But the vast majority of it is at the city govt level.  City govts are far more tyrannical than the federal govt.  City govt goons are pure Nazis, denying all your rights, because you have no rights within city limits, it's a martial law zone just like a military base.


A Nanny Moose's picture

When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - When you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - When you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you - When you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - You may know that your society is doomed." -Ayn Rand

Money 4 Nothing's picture

Ben Franklin had a message about that back in the day.

Sockeye's picture

And Patrick Henry:

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

Odd Ball's picture

He spoke without notes; at least, none have ever been found. His speech began in a quiet smolder and ended ablaze with passion. A baptist clergyman present wrote of the orator's crescendo, "The tendons of his neck stood out white and rigid, like whipcords.  His voice rose louder and louder, until the walls of the building and all within them seemed to shake and rock in its tremoundous vibrations.  Finally his pale face and glaring eyes became terrible to look upon.  Men leaned forward in their seats with their heads strained forward, their faces pale and their eyes glaring like the speaker's...  When he sat down, I felt sick with excitement." No applause; no known reply; Richard Henry Lee seconded the resolutions; Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Nelson were reported to have spoken in favor.  The vote was called for and taken; the resolutions carried by a narrow margin of five, and the American Revolution in the largest colony was under way.  (Introduction to Patrick Henry's "give me liberty, or give me death" speech in William Safire's book "Lend Me Your Ears - Great Speeches in History".

Texas Ginslinger's picture

Scroll up to see my trash can/lid/bungee cord fix.

Laddie's picture

Well said! Always have assessors and inspectors checking out our humble abode yet the Mexicans do illegal add-ons and so forth and the .gov folks pay ZERO ATTENTION. Not a peep, but if we were to do anything LOOK OUT.

The whole rail thin soccer moms and their anorexic mothers trying to look young and they drive their Lexus, Infiniti, Jaguars, Range Rovers, exactly as you said, 1.5 blocks to school, they want our kids to ride the bus with the diversity but not theirs, oh no.

This degrading of America was not by chance, but rather, by plan.

CPL's picture

I'm sure there was a plan.  But what's happening now...well, I don't think anyone is in control anymore.

Sparkey's picture

I think you've got it there, "No one is in control anymore", every plan looks good at the begining, but nothing ever goes as planned now chaos sets the agenda while the "Planners", whoever they are, wring their hands and exclaim, "it's not supposed to be like this, this isn't in the plan", time and change are inexerable and plans are, "wishful thinking," nothing more, chaos rules now, and the planners no longer initiate they react to, and try to mitigate reality's unscripted manifestations ! What will happen from here? who knows, we don't have the lurury of starting over!

Much talk of how the surveillance society will keep everyone safe; The prisons are the most surveillied societies in America, do you think the inmates feel safe there, are they safe there? No! Why not?? Because you are safe as a Citizen living in society among other citizens who share common values! It is the only way a society can function!


ZOG traitors must be eliminated.

Here's what's going on inside the beltway:

“The Obama administration will consider executive actions and specific proposals for legislation as part of its gun policy response"


formadesika3's picture


If anybody is driving along I25 in SE Colorado, turn off at Colorado City onto SH165 and eventually you will come upon "Bishop Castle". It is open to the public for free. Prominent signs are posted on the property that you assume all risks of injury. The owner, a man named Bishop who owns a ornamental welding business, so I've been told, started it decades ago. It's quite a place, in the spirit of what America used to be, not the Disneyland attraction most people are used to.

Miffed Microbiologist's picture

Zero head,
Safety has not supplanted liberty. Actually it's the PERCEPTION of safety. This is the great danger today IMHO. We are no more safe then we ever have been nor ever will be. This incidious toxicity has permeated our society to the point reality for many is lost. And there seems to be no end to this madness. Liberals are just honing it to an art form but we're all guilty allowing its existence.


Svener's picture

The most evil, bad, immoral people I have ever met are Christians. Religion? That's your answer? Oh brother!

Uncle Remus's picture

You need to get out of your own county more ese.

Future Jim's picture

That's exactly what they wantyou to believe. you have drank the kool-aid.

BTW, I am not a Christian. I am an atheist who sees American Christians as allies in many ways because I find them to be both a little more open minded than progressives and more open to individual freedom than progressives.

There are two big reasons why American Christians are more open to freedom and to ideas in general than are progressives. 1) American Christians are more open to American tradition, which is mostly about individual liberty. 2) The entire mainstream media is constantly bashing Christians; whereas, they are constantly reinforcing progressive fallacies, thus forcing Christians to constantly think about and defend their positions, while insulating progressives from having to think about and defend their positions.

Jreb's picture

Good comment. I would add to it that lately the bashing has been extended to all "mainstream religions". Noone is safe anymore if they believe in God  (or a God) or a system of beliefs that essentially sees man as free and responsible. The only acceptable religion these days is the worship of the state. We can all see how well that is working out.

For the record I am a Baptist boy living in a multicultural are in the NW. I have no issues living in a multi ethnic/religious environment at all so long as my neighbors respect the one thing essential to a civil society - our liberty. Oddly - I have noticed of late - that many of these "ethnic minorities"have a firmer grasp on the concept of individual liberty (and sound money) than their non religious euro caucsian neighbors do. I had the most incredible conversation with a young Taiwanese man and a Persian cab driver in the Canadian midwest (Edmonton) last year while on a business trip. It was encougaging and enlightening to learn that the one common thread that bonds all of humanity together is disgust with our corrupt leadership and an understanding that respect and the truth are critical elements in making a society function. Those two guys gave me more hope for our future than all the political banter elsewhere ever has.


larz's picture

what does that have to do with the price of tea in china or the price of garbage can lids in baltimore Svener - I think youre in the wrong post stay on task you bitter soul

Waterfallsparkles's picture

It has to do with the Government regulating Safety to a ridiculous level.  Especially when it comes to Tenants.

cranky-old-geezer's picture



It has nothing to do with safety.  They don't give a shit about anyone's safety.

It's about control and money ...mostly money.

Safety is just a cover story. 

cirrus's picture

Because someone says they are something doesn't make them what they say they are....

Snakeeyes's picture

God bless Ron Paul. As Rick Santelli noted, if the fiscal cliff is so important to Obama and Congress, why did they all go on vacation with a ticking clock? THEY DON'T REALLY CARE! THEY ARE IN CONTROL OF YOU.

ball-and-chain's picture

I like Ron Paul.

But I was disappointed in his campaign.

It seemed like he was sucking up to Mittens Romney.

I'm not used to seeing Dr. Paul kissing ass.

But what do I know?

working class dog's picture

Now I know why I voted for Ron Paul instead of the victorian flipper Romney, or Comrade Obama and his central planners.


UGrev's picture

Same here, brother. Damn proud to say i wrote his name down. 

I will not comply.

Ignatius's picture


I wrote him in for 'the message' value and if that's futile then so be it.

Tijuana Donkey Show's picture

Voting is compliance. I voted for me to manage me, and no one else. Voting=validation.