Ron Paul: Government Security Is Just Another Kind Of Violence

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From Ron Paul

Government Security Is Just Another Kind Of Violence

The senseless and horrific killings last week in Newtown, Connecticut reminded us that a determined individual or group of individuals can cause great harm no matter what laws are in place.  Connecticut already has restrictive gun laws relative to other states, including restrictions on fully automatic, so-called “assault” rifles and gun-free zones. 

Predictably, the political left responded to the tragedy with emotional calls for increased gun control.  This is understandable, but misguided. The impulse to have government “do something” to protect us in the wake national tragedies is reflexive and often well intentioned.  Many Americans believe that if we simply pass the right laws, future horrors like the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting can be prevented.  But this impulse ignores the self evident truth that criminals don't obey laws.   

The political right, unfortunately, has fallen into the same trap in its calls for quick legislative solutions to gun violence.  If only we put armed police or armed teachers in schools, we’re told, would-be school shooters will be dissuaded or stopped. 

While I certainly agree that more guns equals less crime and that private gun ownership prevents many shootings, I don’t agree that conservatives and libertarians should view government legislation, especially at the federal level, as the solution to violence.  Real change can happen only when we commit ourselves to rebuilding civil society in America, meaning a society based on family, religion, civic and social institutions, and peaceful cooperation through markets.  We cannot reverse decades of moral and intellectual decline by snapping our fingers and passing laws. 

Let’s not forget that our own government policies often undermine civil society, cheapen life, and encourage immorality.  The president and other government officials denounce school violence, yet still advocate for endless undeclared wars abroad and easy abortion at home.  U.S. drone strikes kill thousands, but nobody in America holds vigils or devotes much news coverage to those victims, many of which are children, albeit, of a different color.

Obviously I don’t want to conflate complex issues of foreign policy and war with the Sandy Hook shooting, but it is important to make the broader point that our federal government has zero moral authority to legislate against violence.

Furthermore, do we really want to live in a world of police checkpoints, surveillance cameras, metal detectors, X-ray scanners, and warrantless physical searches?  We see this culture in our airports: witness the shabby spectacle of once proud, happy Americans shuffling through long lines while uniformed TSA agents bark orders.  This is the world of government provided "security," a world far too many Americans now seem to accept or even endorse.  School shootings, no matter how horrific, do not justify creating an Orwellian surveillance state in America.

Do we really believe government can provide total security?  Do we want to involuntarily commit every disaffected, disturbed, or alienated person who fantasizes about violence?  Or can we accept that liberty is more important than the illusion of state-provided security? Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place.  Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives.  We shouldn’t settle for substituting one type of violence for another. Government role is to protect liberty, not to pursue unobtainable safety.

Our freedoms as Americans preceded gun control laws, the TSA, or the Department of Homeland Security.  Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference, not by safety. It is easy to clamor for government security when terrible things happen; but liberty is given true meaning when we support it without exception, and we will be safer for it.

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Money 4 Nothing's picture

Pentagon: CIA being sued for using drone attacks on US citizens.

Indianna base of drone warfare technology: hence the deceased man's name John Dion Longworth Investigators found no link to a natural gas explosion at his Indianapolis home.

Remember? 2013-14 to be more than 30,000 drones to be used in the US skies which leads me to believe there will be no commercial aircraft in the air. Somethings cookin.

Report released in the Kremlin, Russia detected up to 2 Hell fire missiles fired over Indianna. This is their counter measure warning system. Kremln call into the Pentagon was asking WTF are you Americans doing? 

See how our Govt. has turned tyranacle / opressive in the name of "safety"?

Disenchanted's picture



This was posted at the daily paul forum not long after the Indy explosion...There's more on John Dion Longworth in the comments.


grain of salt?? I dunno... They arrested three suspects last week and now say a microwave oven was used to trigger a natural gas explosion. My mother-in-law lives less than 5 miles away from the site, and I've thought all along it didn't look like a natural gas event. I live about 40 miles south/se of it.

The Joker's picture

Are they sure it wasn't the refrigerator clicking on causing the spark?

Disenchanted's picture




Check out this pic:

look at the windows and garage doors in neighboring homes sucked out towards the explosion...instead of being blown in.


go to his website and scroll down to where he writes about the Indiana blast

("Indianapolis blast caused by high velocity explosive")


Just above that check out what he wrote about the blast at the strip club in Springfield, Mass.

Disenchanted's picture

btw I completely forgot to mention Camp Atterbury which lies between my mother-in-law's place/blast site area and where I live...


But having an FAA-designated UAV test site nearby would attract unmanned aircraft manufacturers to the Dayton region, said Deb Norris, Sinclair’s vice president overseeing the school’s UAV pilot training program. Sinclair hosted an unmanned aircraft industry conference in April and will host another one in April 2013.


Some Dayton area companies currently go to the Indiana Air National Guard’s Camp Atterbury, near Columbus, Ind., to do test flights in restricted military airspace.




That's testing of drones for those who don't make the connection. Camp Atterbury is actually closer to the little town of Edinburgh, IN than Columbus.

Money 4 Nothing's picture

Your search engine is your friend.

Dollar Bill Hiccup's picture

Good luck detecting the missles at those distances.

I suppose they have perfected precognitive psychics.

Money 4 Nothing's picture

If you searched the story and read it you would have learned something, but you didn't. They track them by sattelite jackass.

JR's picture

This is why Ron Paul had to be stopped; his leadership would have blocked the increasing wave headed for totalitarian government.

The mass audience in America is now being treated to propaganda leading to greater police control of law abiding citizens as an excuse for creating greater safety. The defect here has always been democracy: allowing an elite to maneuver low-information, low-skill masses to support the aims of central control.

Lenin and Stalin wrote endlessly about the rights of peasants and workers to have a government that they, the common people, could control. Then, there would be justice and opportunity for all.

But privately, based on new information  constantly being uncovered (one source Young Stalin, Simon Sebag Montefiore), Lenin and Stalin agreed that the people could never be trusted to be in control; a “dictatorship of the proletariat" would actually mean central control - dictatorship - by such people as Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky. Translation: murder, hanging, burning, execution, imprisonment, slavery, slaughter and police - 65 million dead.

The lies were that socialism, Keynesian policies, fiat currencies and central banking would provide for the general welfare -  the same blueprint Washington, D.C., is following today. And just as Friedrich Hayek predicted, the road leads to serfdom.  And the leadership becomes Joseph Stalin.

Money 4 Nothing's picture

More problems croping up with the Sandy Hook shooting. The Phelps family real names are Richard and Jenifer Sexton of Florida.


"Official story spins out of control"

Quote from the article..

© The Newtown Bee  

How could the principal have survived to give this statement to local press describing what happened ... if she was one of the first to be killed? Incidentally, The Newtown Bee's article was taken down yesterday. Of course, a plausible explanation is that a reporter mistook another teacher for the principal.

We were initially told that two handguns - a Glock and a Sig Sauer - were found next to the body of the dead shooter, while a third weapon, a .223-caliber rifle was also recovered "in the trunk of a car" later, in the school's parking lot. All of the weapons were allegedly legally bought and registered in Nancy Lanza's name. The car was later identified as a black Honda, also registered in her name. More weapons have since been introduced to the story but we'll get back to those later on.

Besides anonymous 'law enforcement officials' telling the media that Adam Lanza was a former pupil at the school, they also said his mother was currently a teacher there, that she was found among the dead and that her son had specifically sought out her classroom first. But when it emerged that teaching staff at the school had never heard of a Nancy Lanza, it was suggested that she was a substitute teacher whose name therefore mightn't appear on staff lists.

Sandy Hook: Ithaca Police Finish 'Active Shooter' Training on Day of Conn. School Massacre

Zer0head's picture



great find ++++++++ post again Att George Washington!!!!

story not found


here is the actual  google cache of the above article WTF WTF WTF


they quote the dead principle????????????


how TF can they quote the dead principle? this is a local newspaper they don't make shit up and why is the article pulled now

take a screen shot of the above Google cache 

 here is WAPO eulogizing the principle they quoted


save this screen capture


and here is the revised version of the article (without the principle)

screen capture

Money 4 Nothing's picture

Thanks, the other screwed up thing is hat CT does not have a Sherriffs department, like.. ever. They were disband in the mid 70's. Everyone and MSM's  keeps saying the local 20 sheriff officers are watching ove the family victims at there homes. Weird? I don't think their sheriff officers. There wouldn't even be 20 Deputies because they don't have them in that state.

Plata con Carne's picture

Actually, the black Honda was Not registered to Nancy or Adam Lanza, but to a Christopher A. Rodia! 872YEO is registered to Rodia, a petty thief, and drug dealer with ties to illegal arms sales.


Rustysilver's picture

Note to NY Firefighters. Make sure you are wearing a bullet proof vest. You're not that special, even if you a volunteer.

NumberNone's picture

Just saw that on the news.  In Houston a cop was just killed in a shootout.  We are going to hit a tipping point whether real or political ploy where police and firemen are used, as they always are, as a bargaining chip to get a political agenda accomplished.  In every budget cut discussion with the public, the police/fire/teacher are paraded up on the chopping block as a threat to the taxpayer.  Look for a similar discussion from the government and their willing allies the unions regarding the police/fire safety and soon lack of ability to protect the public as part of the anti-gun agenda.   

El Hosel's picture

..... Why are these monsters going after the innocent when there are so many guilty (white collar criminals for example)  in plain sight? I don't get it.

sbenard's picture

No one could have said it better!

formadesika3's picture

Throughout all of these discussions there is an unaddressed issue. This is the deficiency of the 19th century assembly-line factory model of public schooling itself.

It is especially disastrous at the lowest grade levels, where even a few months difference in age corresponds to significant differences in physical, emotional and intellectual readiness to absorb the curriculum. Yet every years' age cohort gets shoved into one classroom to begin their lifelong career in either success or failure.

Furthermore, bullying thrives under such conditions.


Not only is it seriously deficient in providing effective learning, but it is an open invitation for madmen to target our most vulnerable charges. Until our public schools are broken up into smaller learning centers organized by adults capable of defending their students against violence, both from within the classroom and from external threats, we will witness this type of tragedy over and over.


AnAnonymous's picture

Paul is a physician by trade, 'american' quality.

He should know that once addicted, new shots of drugs reduce the pang due to lack of drugs.

Fact is that 'americans' can not do without guns.

They wont ban, because they simply cant.

Yet, as the fantasy lovers they are, they will keep milking the fable telling that one day, they will ban guns. After all, guns are not tools for peaceful people. And 'americans' are peaceful people, right? Will just take them to eliminate all the bad guys before banning guns.

Paul still running his scam industry, the 'american' style, money keeps flowing in, so why not? It is all good for consumption.

The Joker's picture

The Grinch: I tell you Max, I don't know why I ever leave this place. I've got all the company I need right here.
[indicates himself]
The Grinch: [shouts] Hello?
Echo: Hello.
The Grinch: How are you?
Echo: How are you?
The Grinch: I asked you first.
Echo: I asked you first.
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Echo: ...Saying exactly what I say.
The Grinch: I'm an idiot!
Echo: You're an idiot!
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Echo: You're an idiot!
TheFourthStooge-ing's picture

AnAnonymous should know that once deluded by fantasy, more smoke of opium will reinforce his fantasy when reality intrudes.

Fact is that AnAnonymous can not do without fantasy.

He will increase consumptionalization of opium, because he simply loves it.

Anusocracy's picture

The problem is those who can't do without government.

Four hundred million killed by government in the 20th century.

Guns and government; a deadly combination. Time to disarm it completely.

Citxmech's picture

AnAnonymous:  "guns are not tools for peaceful people"


In a nation with this many guns, how come cars kill more people?  Are cars tools of the violent as well?Among other things, guns are an insurance policy for those who don't wish to submit to a "boot stomping on a human face for eternity."  Do you actually trust any government enough to neuter yourself and your children?

Yen Cross's picture

 Where is my wasabe Bitch

Rustysilver's picture

Voting is for uninformed. "Citizens" of Soviet Union and Central Europe voted at 80% rate.  How did that worked out for them. Only when the guns came out and there was no diesel for T-72 that things started to change.

pine_marten's picture

While I agree with the libertarian jist of the article I have issues with RP bringing up abortion and religion.  Men pontificating what women should do with their bodies is a non starter.  And religion, all religion is just mythology.  Does not belong on the political band width.  He needs to STFU up about these two thngs if he aims to inspire the hearts and minds of the people.  Ryan handed the election to Obysmal by bringing these two stinking mackeral issues to the debate with Biden.  Really, really stupid........ 


Peter Pan's picture

Dear Pine Marten, i am not in agreement with you. It might not be sexy to bring abortion and religion onto the political stage but the reality is that these issues are part of what ails America.

If Americans think they can traverse this sick world without faith through some God loving faith then they are deluded. If you cannot need and love God and you cannot love and need your fellow man, then I am afraid that everything else is meaningless and only aimed at political consumption.

pine_marten's picture

That we differ politely is priceless...............

Dollar Bill Hiccup's picture

Mr. Paul is the only fellow who makes any sense.

All the rest, just Sturm and Drang.

A puppet theatre for the puppets.

Pumpkin's picture

Either the government has a duty to protect or it doesn't.  If it does, all those in government have failed miserably and all those in government are to be held personaly responsible for all injuries or deaths (other than natural) within this nation.  So, pay up or shut up.  Bitches.

Wanton1's picture

Hermann Goring, new commissary Prussian Minister of the Interior, issued following order to heads of the Prussian police and administration:


"Work together to support national propaganda with all your strength ... combat hosility with all the force at your disposal ... where necessary making ruthless use of firearms ... police using firearms would, whatever the circumstances, be backed by him ... those failing to do their duty ... could expect disciplinary action."

Colonial Intent's picture
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
Bullwinkle Moose's picture

Dr. Paul, you're my president.

Element's picture

25th Dec - Merry excuse-for-credit-card-over-use day!

If the Repub re-treads won't have you Ron, you're welcome to slumb-it with us, this Christmas Dinner.


(sun's coming up and I still didn't get no effing cessna citationX santa!)

the grateful unemployed's picture

and with pink custom grips to support Breast Cancer Research, it's just for show. there's an AK47 under her jacket

G-R-U-N-T's picture

“Tyranny is the exercise of Power beyond Right, which no Body can have a Right to. And this is making use of the Power any one has in his hands; not for the good of those, who are under it, but for his own private separate Advantage. ... For where-ever the Power that is put in any hands for the Government of the People, and the Preservation of their Properties, is applied to other ends, and made use of to impoverish, harass, or subdue them to the Arbitrary and Irregular Commands of those that have it: There it presently becomes Tyranny, whether those that thus use it are one or many.”

John Locke Two Treatise of Government (1698) Book II,  Chapter XVIII, § 199.

Yen Cross's picture

Merry Christmas Banzai/  I can't hate you.

alfbell's picture

The poor black in the ghetto, wanting reparations from the government, in his previous life was probably a slave trader or plantation owner in South Carolina. The wealthy WASP banker in NYC was probably a barefoot child living in the dustbowl of Oklahoma. The mass murderer of Newton was probably a priest in his last life. Mother Teresa was probably a prostitute in her previous life. The TSA official was probably a train or bank robber in his last life.

We've all made our own beds and now have to sleep in them.

It's a very long, never-ending, 3D movie filled with pain and joy and all other sensations. We're all stuck on this merry-go-round.

This is the real goal. Escaping being a dramatizing puppet. Getting off the life/death cycle.

Pasadena Phil's picture

ALL of the truly big attrocities throughout history were committed at the hands of governments. The reason a Sandy Hook event is more emotional and, at least for a short time, stokes up passions is because the number of people killed is small and is presented as people with names and faces. The government attrocities are so gargantuan that they can only be presented in terms of statistics involving numbers in the millions. Yet so many of us thoughtlessly surrender the power to commit violence to the government as a monopoly. And so we surrender our liberty.


Most people take freedom for granted believing that it is the natural state of existence. That is why there are so few historical eras where freedom existed. Lots of anarchy and chaos but that is not the same thing as freedom. Freedom takes morality, commitment and individual empowerment. It must be earned.