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Ron Paul: Government Security Is Just Another Kind Of Violence

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From Ron Paul

Government Security Is Just Another Kind Of Violence

The senseless and horrific killings last week in Newtown, Connecticut reminded us that a determined individual or group of individuals can cause great harm no matter what laws are in place.  Connecticut already has restrictive gun laws relative to other states, including restrictions on fully automatic, so-called “assault” rifles and gun-free zones. 

Predictably, the political left responded to the tragedy with emotional calls for increased gun control.  This is understandable, but misguided. The impulse to have government “do something” to protect us in the wake national tragedies is reflexive and often well intentioned.  Many Americans believe that if we simply pass the right laws, future horrors like the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting can be prevented.  But this impulse ignores the self evident truth that criminals don't obey laws.   

The political right, unfortunately, has fallen into the same trap in its calls for quick legislative solutions to gun violence.  If only we put armed police or armed teachers in schools, we’re told, would-be school shooters will be dissuaded or stopped. 

While I certainly agree that more guns equals less crime and that private gun ownership prevents many shootings, I don’t agree that conservatives and libertarians should view government legislation, especially at the federal level, as the solution to violence.  Real change can happen only when we commit ourselves to rebuilding civil society in America, meaning a society based on family, religion, civic and social institutions, and peaceful cooperation through markets.  We cannot reverse decades of moral and intellectual decline by snapping our fingers and passing laws. 

Let’s not forget that our own government policies often undermine civil society, cheapen life, and encourage immorality.  The president and other government officials denounce school violence, yet still advocate for endless undeclared wars abroad and easy abortion at home.  U.S. drone strikes kill thousands, but nobody in America holds vigils or devotes much news coverage to those victims, many of which are children, albeit, of a different color.

Obviously I don’t want to conflate complex issues of foreign policy and war with the Sandy Hook shooting, but it is important to make the broader point that our federal government has zero moral authority to legislate against violence.

Furthermore, do we really want to live in a world of police checkpoints, surveillance cameras, metal detectors, X-ray scanners, and warrantless physical searches?  We see this culture in our airports: witness the shabby spectacle of once proud, happy Americans shuffling through long lines while uniformed TSA agents bark orders.  This is the world of government provided "security," a world far too many Americans now seem to accept or even endorse.  School shootings, no matter how horrific, do not justify creating an Orwellian surveillance state in America.

Do we really believe government can provide total security?  Do we want to involuntarily commit every disaffected, disturbed, or alienated person who fantasizes about violence?  Or can we accept that liberty is more important than the illusion of state-provided security? Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place.  Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives.  We shouldn’t settle for substituting one type of violence for another. Government role is to protect liberty, not to pursue unobtainable safety.

Our freedoms as Americans preceded gun control laws, the TSA, or the Department of Homeland Security.  Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference, not by safety. It is easy to clamor for government security when terrible things happen; but liberty is given true meaning when we support it without exception, and we will be safer for it.


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Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:50 | 3093250 negative rates
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That and, fix it so it won't never happen again thing, which is as old as time itself.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:38 | 3093199 Money 4 Nothing
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Pentagon: CIA being sued for using drone attacks on US citizens.

Indianna base of drone warfare technology: hence the deceased man's name John Dion Longworth Investigators found no link to a natural gas explosion at his Indianapolis home.

Remember? 2013-14 to be more than 30,000 drones to be used in the US skies which leads me to believe there will be no commercial aircraft in the air. Somethings cookin.

Report released in the Kremlin, Russia detected up to 2 Hell fire missiles fired over Indianna. This is their counter measure warning system. Kremln call into the Pentagon was asking WTF are you Americans doing? 

See how our Govt. has turned tyranacle / opressive in the name of "safety"?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:50 | 3093249 The Joker
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Sources please.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:52 | 3093402 Disenchanted
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This was posted at the daily paul forum not long after the Indy explosion...There's more on John Dion Longworth in the comments.


grain of salt?? I dunno... They arrested three suspects last week and now say a microwave oven was used to trigger a natural gas explosion. My mother-in-law lives less than 5 miles away from the site, and I've thought all along it didn't look like a natural gas event. I live about 40 miles south/se of it.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:00 | 3093448 The Joker
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Are they sure it wasn't the refrigerator clicking on causing the spark?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:08 | 3093472 Disenchanted
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Check out this pic:

look at the windows and garage doors in neighboring homes sucked out towards the explosion...instead of being blown in.


go to his website and scroll down to where he writes about the Indiana blast

("Indianapolis blast caused by high velocity explosive")


Just above that check out what he wrote about the blast at the strip club in Springfield, Mass.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:43 | 3093531 Disenchanted
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btw I completely forgot to mention Camp Atterbury which lies between my mother-in-law's place/blast site area and where I live...


But having an FAA-designated UAV test site nearby would attract unmanned aircraft manufacturers to the Dayton region, said Deb Norris, Sinclair’s vice president overseeing the school’s UAV pilot training program. Sinclair hosted an unmanned aircraft industry conference in April and will host another one in April 2013.


Some Dayton area companies currently go to the Indiana Air National Guard’s Camp Atterbury, near Columbus, Ind., to do test flights in restricted military airspace.




That's testing of drones for those who don't make the connection. Camp Atterbury is actually closer to the little town of Edinburgh, IN than Columbus.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:47 | 3093409 Money 4 Nothing
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Your search engine is your friend.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:36 | 3093370 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Good luck detecting the missles at those distances.

I suppose they have perfected precognitive psychics.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:47 | 3093397 Money 4 Nothing
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If you searched the story and read it you would have learned something, but you didn't. They track them by sattelite jackass.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:04 | 3093459 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:35 | 3093215 JR
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This is why Ron Paul had to be stopped; his leadership would have blocked the increasing wave headed for totalitarian government.

The mass audience in America is now being treated to propaganda leading to greater police control of law abiding citizens as an excuse for creating greater safety. The defect here has always been democracy: allowing an elite to maneuver low-information, low-skill masses to support the aims of central control.

Lenin and Stalin wrote endlessly about the rights of peasants and workers to have a government that they, the common people, could control. Then, there would be justice and opportunity for all.

But privately, based on new information  constantly being uncovered (one source Young Stalin, Simon Sebag Montefiore), Lenin and Stalin agreed that the people could never be trusted to be in control; a “dictatorship of the proletariat" would actually mean central control - dictatorship - by such people as Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky. Translation: murder, hanging, burning, execution, imprisonment, slavery, slaughter and police - 65 million dead.

The lies were that socialism, Keynesian policies, fiat currencies and central banking would provide for the general welfare -  the same blueprint Washington, D.C., is following today. And just as Friedrich Hayek predicted, the road leads to serfdom.  And the leadership becomes Joseph Stalin.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:51 | 3093419 The Joker
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Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:54 | 3093435 Money 4 Nothing
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What the Fuck is right, search this on youtube for the rest of this sham.


Total fraud >


Emilie Parker is not dead.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 10:24 | 3094511 Money 4 Nothing
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Thanks for that Yen,

Made my morning!

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:46 | 3093423 Money 4 Nothing
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More problems croping up with the Sandy Hook shooting. The Phelps family real names are Richard and Jenifer Sexton of Florida.


"Official story spins out of control"

Quote from the article..

© The Newtown Bee  

How could the principal have survived to give this statement to local press describing what happened ... if she was one of the first to be killed? Incidentally, The Newtown Bee's article was taken down yesterday. Of course, a plausible explanation is that a reporter mistook another teacher for the principal.

We were initially told that two handguns - a Glock and a Sig Sauer - were found next to the body of the dead shooter, while a third weapon, a .223-caliber rifle was also recovered "in the trunk of a car" later, in the school's parking lot. All of the weapons were allegedly legally bought and registered in Nancy Lanza's name. The car was later identified as a black Honda, also registered in her name. More weapons have since been introduced to the story but we'll get back to those later on.

Besides anonymous 'law enforcement officials' telling the media that Adam Lanza was a former pupil at the school, they also said his mother was currently a teacher there, that she was found among the dead and that her son had specifically sought out her classroom first. But when it emerged that teaching staff at the school had never heard of a Nancy Lanza, it was suggested that she was a substitute teacher whose name therefore mightn't appear on staff lists.

Sandy Hook: Ithaca Police Finish 'Active Shooter' Training on Day of Conn. School Massacre

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 22:45 | 3094050 Zer0head
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great find ++++++++ post again Att George Washington!!!!

story not found


here is the actual  google cache of the above article WTF WTF WTF


they quote the dead principle????????????


how TF can they quote the dead principle? this is a local newspaper they don't make shit up and why is the article pulled now

take a screen shot of the above Google cache 

 here is WAPO eulogizing the principle they quoted


save this screen capture


and here is the revised version of the article (without the principle)

screen capture

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 23:54 | 3094159 Money 4 Nothing
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Thanks, the other screwed up thing is hat CT does not have a Sherriffs department, like.. ever. They were disband in the mid 70's. Everyone and MSM's  keeps saying the local 20 sheriff officers are watching ove the family victims at there homes. Weird? I don't think their sheriff officers. There wouldn't even be 20 Deputies because they don't have them in that state.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 03:05 | 3094318 Plata con Carne
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Actually, the black Honda was Not registered to Nancy or Adam Lanza, but to a Christopher A. Rodia! 872YEO is registered to Rodia, a petty thief, and drug dealer with ties to illegal arms sales.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:51 | 3093255 Rustysilver
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Note to NY Firefighters. Make sure you are wearing a bullet proof vest. You're not that special, even if you a volunteer.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:31 | 3093355 NumberNone
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Just saw that on the news.  In Houston a cop was just killed in a shootout.  We are going to hit a tipping point whether real or political ploy where police and firemen are used, as they always are, as a bargaining chip to get a political agenda accomplished.  In every budget cut discussion with the public, the police/fire/teacher are paraded up on the chopping block as a threat to the taxpayer.  Look for a similar discussion from the government and their willing allies the unions regarding the police/fire safety and soon lack of ability to protect the public as part of the anti-gun agenda.   

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 23:19 | 3094133 El Hosel
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..... Why are these monsters going after the innocent when there are so many guilty (white collar criminals for example)  in plain sight? I don't get it.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:53 | 3093262 sbenard
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No one could have said it better!

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:08 | 3093291 formadesika3
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Throughout all of these discussions there is an unaddressed issue. This is the deficiency of the 19th century assembly-line factory model of public schooling itself.

It is especially disastrous at the lowest grade levels, where even a few months difference in age corresponds to significant differences in physical, emotional and intellectual readiness to absorb the curriculum. Yet every years' age cohort gets shoved into one classroom to begin their lifelong career in either success or failure.

Furthermore, bullying thrives under such conditions.


Not only is it seriously deficient in providing effective learning, but it is an open invitation for madmen to target our most vulnerable charges. Until our public schools are broken up into smaller learning centers organized by adults capable of defending their students against violence, both from within the classroom and from external threats, we will witness this type of tragedy over and over.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:14 | 3093309 AnAnonymous
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Paul is a physician by trade, 'american' quality.

He should know that once addicted, new shots of drugs reduce the pang due to lack of drugs.

Fact is that 'americans' can not do without guns.

They wont ban, because they simply cant.

Yet, as the fantasy lovers they are, they will keep milking the fable telling that one day, they will ban guns. After all, guns are not tools for peaceful people. And 'americans' are peaceful people, right? Will just take them to eliminate all the bad guys before banning guns.

Paul still running his scam industry, the 'american' style, money keeps flowing in, so why not? It is all good for consumption.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:35 | 3093367 The Joker
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The Grinch: I tell you Max, I don't know why I ever leave this place. I've got all the company I need right here.
[indicates himself]
The Grinch: [shouts] Hello?
Echo: Hello.
The Grinch: How are you?
Echo: How are you?
The Grinch: I asked you first.
Echo: I asked you first.
The Grinch: Oh right, that's REALLY mature, saying exactly what I say.
Echo: ...Saying exactly what I say.
The Grinch: I'm an idiot!
Echo: You're an idiot!
The Grinch: [whispering] Alright fine! I'm not talking to you anymore! In fact, I'm going to whisper! So that by the time my voice reverbarates off the walls, and gets back to me, I won't be able to hear it.
Echo: You're an idiot!
Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:52 | 3093422 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous should know that once deluded by fantasy, more smoke of opium will reinforce his fantasy when reality intrudes.

Fact is that AnAnonymous can not do without fantasy.

He will increase consumptionalization of opium, because he simply loves it.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:32 | 3093618 Anusocracy
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The problem is those who can't do without government.

Four hundred million killed by government in the 20th century.

Guns and government; a deadly combination. Time to disarm it completely.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 19:23 | 3093870 Citxmech
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AnAnonymous:  "guns are not tools for peaceful people"


In a nation with this many guns, how come cars kill more people?  Are cars tools of the violent as well?Among other things, guns are an insurance policy for those who don't wish to submit to a "boot stomping on a human face for eternity."  Do you actually trust any government enough to neuter yourself and your children?

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:09 | 3094238 Yen Cross
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 Where is my wasabe Bitch

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:24 | 3093335 Rustysilver
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Voting is for uninformed. "Citizens" of Soviet Union and Central Europe voted at 80% rate.  How did that worked out for them. Only when the guns came out and there was no diesel for T-72 that things started to change.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:32 | 3093359 pine_marten
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While I agree with the libertarian jist of the article I have issues with RP bringing up abortion and religion.  Men pontificating what women should do with their bodies is a non starter.  And religion, all religion is just mythology.  Does not belong on the political band width.  He needs to STFU up about these two thngs if he aims to inspire the hearts and minds of the people.  Ryan handed the election to Obysmal by bringing these two stinking mackeral issues to the debate with Biden.  Really, really stupid........ 


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:58 | 3093392 Sturm und Drang
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Wrong spot.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:08 | 3093587 Peter Pan
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Dear Pine Marten, i am not in agreement with you. It might not be sexy to bring abortion and religion onto the political stage but the reality is that these issues are part of what ails America.

If Americans think they can traverse this sick world without faith through some God loving faith then they are deluded. If you cannot need and love God and you cannot love and need your fellow man, then I am afraid that everything else is meaningless and only aimed at political consumption.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 08:51 | 3094408 pine_marten
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That we differ politely is priceless...............

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:33 | 3093360 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Mr. Paul is the only fellow who makes any sense.

All the rest, just Sturm and Drang.

A puppet theatre for the puppets.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:59 | 3093445 Sturm und Drang
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Leave us out of it.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:59 | 3093572 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:46 | 3093401 Pumpkin
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Either the government has a duty to protect or it doesn't.  If it does, all those in government have failed miserably and all those in government are to be held personaly responsible for all injuries or deaths (other than natural) within this nation.  So, pay up or shut up.  Bitches.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:50 | 3093415 Wanton1
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Hermann Goring, new commissary Prussian Minister of the Interior, issued following order to heads of the Prussian police and administration:


"Work together to support national propaganda with all your strength ... combat hosility with all the force at your disposal ... where necessary making ruthless use of firearms ... police using firearms would, whatever the circumstances, be backed by him ... those failing to do their duty ... could expect disciplinary action."

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 07:46 | 3094388 Colonial Intent
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"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:52 | 3093420 Bullwinkle Moose
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Dr. Paul, you're my president.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:12 | 3093475 Element
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25th Dec - Merry excuse-for-credit-card-over-use day!

If the Repub re-treads won't have you Ron, you're welcome to slumb-it with us, this Christmas Dinner.


(sun's coming up and I still didn't get no effing cessna citationX santa!)

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:11 | 3093479 williambanzai7
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Hot for teacher...


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:32 | 3093524 the grateful un...
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and with pink custom grips to support Breast Cancer Research, it's just for show. there's an AK47 under her jacket

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:50 | 3093555 G-R-U-N-T
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“Tyranny is the exercise of Power beyond Right, which no Body can have a Right to. And this is making use of the Power any one has in his hands; not for the good of those, who are under it, but for his own private separate Advantage. ... For where-ever the Power that is put in any hands for the Government of the People, and the Preservation of their Properties, is applied to other ends, and made use of to impoverish, harass, or subdue them to the Arbitrary and Irregular Commands of those that have it: There it presently becomes Tyranny, whether those that thus use it are one or many.”

John Locke Two Treatise of Government (1698) Book II,  Chapter XVIII, § 199.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:02 | 3094227 Yen Cross
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Merry Christmas Banzai/  I can't hate you.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:12 | 3093483 alfbell
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The poor black in the ghetto, wanting reparations from the government, in his previous life was probably a slave trader or plantation owner in South Carolina. The wealthy WASP banker in NYC was probably a barefoot child living in the dustbowl of Oklahoma. The mass murderer of Newton was probably a priest in his last life. Mother Teresa was probably a prostitute in her previous life. The TSA official was probably a train or bank robber in his last life.

We've all made our own beds and now have to sleep in them.

It's a very long, never-ending, 3D movie filled with pain and joy and all other sensations. We're all stuck on this merry-go-round.

This is the real goal. Escaping being a dramatizing puppet. Getting off the life/death cycle.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:26 | 3093490 Pasadena Phil
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ALL of the truly big attrocities throughout history were committed at the hands of governments. The reason a Sandy Hook event is more emotional and, at least for a short time, stokes up passions is because the number of people killed is small and is presented as people with names and faces. The government attrocities are so gargantuan that they can only be presented in terms of statistics involving numbers in the millions. Yet so many of us thoughtlessly surrender the power to commit violence to the government as a monopoly. And so we surrender our liberty.


Most people take freedom for granted believing that it is the natural state of existence. That is why there are so few historical eras where freedom existed. Lots of anarchy and chaos but that is not the same thing as freedom. Freedom takes morality, commitment and individual empowerment. It must be earned.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:46 | 3093640 shovelhead
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This may be an issue only of semantics but I would say the right to freedom is yours by virtue of birth. It doesn't need to be earned.

You may have to fight to get it and/or fight to retain it, but no one has the authority to grant it to you. It is yours from birth.

Freedom can only be stolen by force.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:59 | 3093574 Peter Pan
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These words of Ron Paul will long be remembered as some of the most powerful words ever spoken by a US politican.

Never again will such a worthy man strut the stage of US politics.

Never again will the elite have the chance to reverse America's slide into chaos.

Obama may be black but he pales into insignificance when put alongside a man like Ron Paul.

America, you may have the biggest economy, the most powerful and the most sophisticated surveillance system, but you are without a true leader and without a true moral compass.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:04 | 3094230 putaipan
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and to respond to the last and next comments i wil adopt my holiday time moniker of....HO-HO-HOTEI ! to weeesh you all a ....very merry clickimaka and a value preserving new year ( hey !prosperity if ya'got it ) . but i gotta say-


if this is the bigtrolls come down the chiminey slow, but long x-mas thread, you guys sure got sucked into the media holiday destroying meme of guns and dead children. don't watch their brainwashin'excuse for news.i mean sheesh...  guns? give to me a freakin' break! i don't want one ! not even a red flyer b.b gun. baby jesus born and lives! love, peace on earth and fuck the bankers..... merry chistmas hedgers! but please lighten up on the ammo is better than beans or bullion or you'll put your eye out with that thing.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:05 | 3093582 fuu
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Holiday weeks are so slow, nothing but scrub trolls on duty.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:37 | 3094270 Yen Cross
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 Fuu is the man! Fuu kicks ass!

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:22 | 3093585 Money 4 Nothing
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State sponsored terrorism.

 Now you just got mind fucked by MSM and this situation just proved that this Administration runs all MSM's.

Got to 2:47 and she is not dead.

Father mourning?

The proof she is alive.

Part 8:59.. Paid actors, their real last name is Sexton from Florida.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:18 | 3093602 cognus
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What happened in CT was pre-wired by the laws  in place in that state & locale, making it a soft target - all the goody people disarmed and confident in their ignorance that a call to Nanny would fix anything that might arise. 

BTW - if any of you are traveling into Mexico for the holidays, be sure to not drive across the border into Northern Mexico at night - gun control by the Federal government works quite well there.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:21 | 3093607 Doug
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Wrong answer, Dr. Paul.  Your fantasy world can only exist on top of a world structure that steadfastly puts responsibility and the common good above all else.  Unfortunately, reality dictates that the exact opposite exists, and our gun culture will inevitably lead us to chaos.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:38 | 3093632 Shell Game
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"Unfortunately, reality dictates that the exact opposite exists, and our gun prescription drug and media violence culture will inevitably lead us to chaos."




collectivism always ends well, no?  'responsibility' and 'common good' dictated by whom? government?  LOL

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 17:17 | 3093686 Doug
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Ok - by that reasoning, prescription drug and media violence dictated by whom? 



Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:27 | 3093612 Prison Justice
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Bless you, Uncle Ron.  

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:34 | 3093623 FreeMktFisherMN
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Just got my ZH hoodie--very nice and glad I got XXL size!

Also got from my brother a shirt that reads 'Ineptocracy' on the front in bold, and then below for a definition it reads:


'A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.'


Should go nicely with my 'End the Fed'/Sound money for America shirt.

ZH has become something I literally read everyday and check for new posts/read comments each day all the time. I'm a junior econ major who is well aware of the corporatist culture/Keynesian perversions, and actually am looking to go to a prop shop to become a trader so I don't have counterparty risk to rely on someone else to write my paycheck. Want to get into commodities trading or else just wealth mgmt. as I obviously am hugely bullish on PMs and tangibles of real value that can't be ctrl-p'd. It's awesome the range of things all the Tylers analyze so people can see the moral decay that accompanies the financial bankruptcy that permeates all these 'civilized' societies. Continue to fight the good fight for liberty. As a Christian I've seen how congruent libertarianism is as it is not my job to impose with force my values, but to persuade/use spiritual warfare as opposed to jamming things down peoples' throats. 

Merry Christmas all. 

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:54 | 3093655 Element
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[in-ep-toc'-ra-cy] - shit hot! :D

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 00:57 | 3094221 Anusocracy
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Merry Christmas to you.

If you want to broaden your depth of understanding of the human world, I would recommend reading The Righteous Mind - Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion by Jonathon Haidt.

Haidt is a progressive and an atheist, but he will enlighten you on morality and the problems it causes.


Tue, 12/25/2012 - 02:16 | 3094294 IridiumRebel
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I'm about to graduate and move on to Law School where I plan on becoming a Constitutional lawyer! Why? TO STOP THESE COCKSUCKERS FROM PISSING ALL OVER IT. God Bless Zero Hedge!


/> Jesus hated bankers too!!

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:56 | 3093658 steveo77
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MOM- Merry Orwellian Madness

Replace a school that trains troubled kids with military like discipline to establish structure in their lives and to KEEP THEM OUT OF PRISON, and replace it with a JAIL

In order to "CREATE JOBS"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is not a spoof, check it out.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 17:23 | 3093694 The Gooch
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Dropping in to say Merry Christmas ZH'ers!



The Gooch.



Mon, 12/24/2012 - 18:40 | 3093805 proLiberty
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Republicans and other advocates of lower tax rates point to the Laffer Curve to show how reducing marginal tax rates can increase government revenues, by which bigger government may be funded.  But the purpose of government is to enable its citizens to "enjoy the blessings of liberty" and so the Laffer Curve, as valuable as it is, is too often used by these people to seek optimum taxes for the purpose of maximizing government.   They are misguided.  I beg them to consider that the role of government is to maximize liberty.  We do not do this by maximizing tax revenues.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 18:58 | 3093835 Seychelles
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Freedom is not eternal bliss.  Freedom is not free.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:07 | 3094233 putaipan
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but muhkti is ......

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 02:08 | 3094290 IridiumRebel
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Yeah there is a hefty fuckin fee! And if you don't throw in your buck o five who will?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 19:38 | 3093902 hedge your future
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"Many politicians are in the habit of laying it down as a self-evident proposition that no people ought to be free till they are fit to use their freedom. The maxim is worthy of the fool in the old story who resolved not to go into the water till he had learned to swim".

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 20:19 | 3093955 carlsbadip
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The UK bans law abiding citizens from having weapons. They are unarmed prey. Think NYC in the 1980s. Criminals and the disturbed will find weapons. If one teacher was armed and knew how to use a gun properly, many otherwise dead people would be alive. Live in the world you live in and not some make believe place where everyone lives in West L.A., or the Upper Westside.

Pilots have been armed against terrorist, why not all of us?

The insanity projected by the totalitarians is how they would behave. Lenin, Musolinni, Hitler, Mao and Castro took away gun ownership for all citizens, except the state police. China, Cuba and the UK are all places the totalitarians can live in immediately and be safe. You who worship at the altar of safety do not deserve liberty.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 20:31 | 3093968 IridiumRebel
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Deport Piers Morgan.

"From my cold, dead hands!"

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 20:42 | 3093981 cherry picker
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Dear Santa, please stay home tonight.

Santa, we love you and your reindeer.  You're a great guy and have served mankind well for a long, long time.  I am really concerned about your safety on Christmas Eve.  I don't think the world will mind if you stay home one Christmas Eve, except for the likes of Apple or Google or Samsung or Nintendo and such, as you must be buying a hell of a lot from these companies to satisfy the children's wishes.

You see, I am thinking that some government is going to shoot you down on Christmas Eve.  Why?  Well, we all know there are sanctions against so many countries and organizations.  If you were seen entering or flying away from Iran for example,  they would suspect you as being dangerous, therefore you would be labelled a terrorist and you would end up staring at the pointy end of some missile.  You can't trust anyone on the ground anymore, they will shoot at anything that moves if they don't know what it is.  I suppose fear does that, makes people jumpy.

You are not  flying around in a conventional aircraft and the color red may be mistaken for Russian or Chinese and we know there are a lot of people in this world that don't trust them. 

Santa, you have to understand that our safety is really important as we never want to die or get hurt and we will sue anyone or kill them if it looks like they could hurt us in any way.

Santa, watch the TSA.  If they don't humiliate you, there are TSA employees who will rob your electronics and if they don't, customs will confiscate the toys if you don't pay duty or taxes on them.  That could be a lot of money for an old fella like you who is self employed.

Santa, your red nose and cheeks suggest you may be a drinker, and if you are, they will nail you with a DUI and refuse you entrance into a lot of countries because you will then be a criminal, even it happened decades in the past.

Santa, I think you had best take my advice and retire.  It isn't as easy to get around this world anymore if you are a non conformist like yourself, even if you have good intentions.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 20:51 | 3093989 honestann
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I do not consent to be governed.
I do not consent to be governed.
I do not consent to be governed.

Just substitute that for your prayers (if you say prayers), or just start repeating to yourself whenever you are not busy.  Maybe it will sink in, eventually.

I mean, really!  It is amazing to me that anyone would accept that notion that some other human being has authority over them.  Hey, they are just human beings, born just like you, so why give them control and priority over your life?

Makes zero sense.  Why do humans accept such blatant nonsense.  After all, it is you who suffers the consequences of your choices, not the busy-bodies and thugs who you allow to govern you.  What's up with this?

It is simply stunning how astronomically stupid most humans have become.  Simply stunning.  Opt out.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 21:14 | 3094004 Cabreado
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Great Show, ann.

In your stunning honesty, you left out the instructions for the astronomically stupid so they could go about "opting out."

What's up with that?



Mon, 12/24/2012 - 22:37 | 3094076 honestann
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The stupid will never opt out.  The astronomically stupid won't even understand it means.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 22:58 | 3094113 Cabreado
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So then, we are in a tight spot, eh?

For a second there, I mistook you for someone who gave a damn...

Gave a damn about that place in time where the "astronomically stupid" as you call them -- meet up with the Controllers who eventually render the "astronomically stupid" to be useless feeders.

Your Self-Absorbed view is a (the) most dangerous thing -- and here we are.
As it goes, likely you are waiting for more documentation.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 00:47 | 3094215 Element
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You may be under the impression you're someone else's responsibility.

But more worrying, you may think you're on a hero's-journey to pretend to help others.

See the first sentence.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:12 | 3094242 Cabreado
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Humility threatens you.

Drop the bullshit.




Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:18 | 3094250 Yen Cross
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 Element is Eloquent!  My sexy G/F says so!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 05:33 | 3094356 Element
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Why? Has little grumpy EspañOlé boy lost his pet dung-beetle again?

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:13 | 3094245 Yen Cross
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Element/   You have a Heart/ I really like you! 

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 15:34 | 3095054 honestann
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What the world needs is 7,000,000,000 completely self-absorbed human beings, and zero who tell others what to do.

As for documentation, read all the messages I've posted on ZH in the past 10 days.  ZH makes it very easy to do that.  Start by clicking "My Account" and then fiddle around until you find out how to type my ZH username into an input field and produce a listing of my past messages sorted by date.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:40 | 3094271 Yen Cross
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 Don't get involved/ Kepp bee/ing the sweet Girl you are.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:06 | 3094232 Anusocracy
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They can't opt out, authority is one of the moral spheres. Think of the Milgram Experiments.

The Moral Instinct by Steven Pinker

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 03:48 | 3095779 honestann
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I suppose it might be debatable whether people can extract themselves from years of investing in a blatant lie.  I say it is possible, but I don't say it would be easy.

Clearly it is easier for people who have been willing to say "up yours" to authority since the day they were born.  No question that humans operate largely by habituation, and people do tend to close their minds and defend their current positions in the vast majority of cases.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 20:56 | 3093994 Cabreado
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How pathetic it feels to read the words of a Man the collective We threw to the curb just months ago, and as it goes, the collective We will rationalize Our decision...

In the greater context, there are times for Shame.
I suggest We will be remembered that way.

Carry On, Ron Paul.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 21:42 | 3094020 Never One Roach
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$3,000 from Barry for 'Thingamajigs' he promised...anyone get theirs?

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 02:04 | 3094057 IridiumRebel
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"Real change can happen only when we commit ourselves to rebuilding civil society in America, meaning a society based on family, religion, civic and social institutions, and peaceful cooperation through markets."

Right on.

Edit: Fuck off to the down voters. If we had the above you might not have so many freeloaders sucking gov dick for subsistence. They may have a WORK ETHIC.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 22:39 | 3094070 newengland
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Nicey words are ineffectual. The political class, bureaucrats and their fans are out to kill each other, using drugged up people as a proxy.

The Republic was built by people who gave everything to their neighbor; one for all, all for one. It suits overpaid politicians to patronise.

Iceland was the only Western nation to defy central banksters and their favored agents, although Britian threatened them with 'anti-terrorists' laws.

Vikings whispered a vow before battle, and career politicians chosen by central banksters  fear it:

'There do I see my father. There do I see my mother. There do I see my brother and the halls of Valhalla where the brave may live forever.'

Politicians stuffed with tax money are cowards. No Valhalla for them or their fans.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 22:47 | 3094096 cherry picker
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Bravery and Liberty go hand in hand don't they.  People cannot have one without the other.


Iceland is a great example to the rest of the world, but no one is listening.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 22:58 | 3094111 newengland
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It does no good for anyone to live in a gilded prison. Genuine community is all. This is the prayer of all, spoken or secretly believed.

Modern politicians grift off all, and do not live in the community, therefore, they can make excuses for serving the money changers, while claiming to be of the people.

Iceland defied the money changers, and the Republic of the USA is betrayed by the Judas CONgress, in my opinion.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 23:06 | 3094120 cherry picker
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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.   For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.....Jesus Christ

So true isn't ?.  They ignore his words and yet most claim to "believe" in him, including those who are running for office, then they defy everything he tried to teach.  That is the sword in my opinion.  Those who desire peace and freedom and the other

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 22:53 | 3094103 newengland
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The Prince of peace threw the money changers out of the temple, and I suggest that you do the same, Mr Paul. Jesus died on the cross that you could choose: good or evil; cowardice or bravery. Your choice. Get on with it. Iceland defied the money changers.  You didn't, and nor will your comfy cozy family or college kids.

Happy Christmas to ZH, whether we agree or not, we don't take the Pharisee's silver or gold in order to be happy debt slaves.


Tue, 12/25/2012 - 00:09 | 3094172 Cabreado
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You are behaving as one who has answers.

And then you say

"and I suggest that you do the same, Mr Paul."

where you provide evidence that you are a self-interested fool.

To top it all off, you neglect to acknowledge that self-interested fools is exactly the problem.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 00:59 | 3094224 Yen Cross
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 Have You Ever] Have you ever felt safe?  Have you ever had a Mother and Father to walk into your principles office?

  To protect your "feelings and IdEAS"?   Have you ever had a Father that protects his Family? He hunts fof his Wife and Children?

  Valor and Respect aren't submission/  Get her done!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:01 | 3094225 dunce
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Every mentally unbalanced person need not be instutionalized but today a guy with a long Criminal record that included killing his grandmother with a hammer killed two firefighters and wounded two others before killing himself. Just as sex offenders in some states go straight from jail to an institution so could people like this guy because he will do another violent act again and the authorities know that whether they admit it or not. The real reason for setting all the nuts loose was not because they had rights but that institutions are a heavy burden on taxpayers, it was all about the money.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:23 | 3094254 Yen Cross
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  Can't boys be boys?   SHIT, Where IS John Candies Soul?

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:31 | 3094261 Yen Cross
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 As usuall, Zero Hedge( fucks it up)

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:30 | 3094263 are we there yet
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News today a mentally ill Chinese man in china stabbed 22 children Aged 6 to 11 at a children's school, also stabbed an 85 year old woman. The man had been arrested days earlier for preaching about the upcoming Mayan doomsday.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:32 | 3094267 Yen Cross
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2 days ago

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 02:03 | 3094281 are we there yet
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Thank you for the date correction. The stabber in china was still as nuts as lanza. He had a kitchen knife of an old lady, imagine if he thought ahead and bought a Samari sward.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 02:27 | 3094300 Element
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Hey Yen, sitting on a balcony watching the coral sea and sipping beverages while surfin zh.

You're probably doing the same.

Haven't seen a Santa's little helper yet though ... I'll keep sipping.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 04:11 | 3094340 ebworthen
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Not possible, knives are regulated, as are fists and baseball bats and 2 x 4's.

Oh wait...

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:45 | 3094276 silverserfer
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Times are tough in this country. Its time to start pushing back on Prisoner rights. We need to put more people behind bars and lower the standard of living in these prisions. There should never be a reason to let a person out of jail early because of funding issues. We are run by the fucking FED. They have money coming out their ass like fourthmeal at taco bell on a sunday morning.

It should not cost $100K a year to house an inmate. More like $10k feed them alpo!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 04:09 | 3094339 ebworthen
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More pithy truthspeak from Ron Paul.

Woe to the fools in power who don't get it; woe to them as unto the French Nobility.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 04:16 | 3094341 Audacity17
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Nonsense!  You have no liberty if you are dead.  Government's role is not to protect liberty, but rather punish those who would destroy my life and property.  Wrong Ron.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 11:31 | 3094624 De minimus
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And if government destroys your life and property because you have no answer to their desires to control your life and obtain your property, your efforts and your time, not to mention your brain and thoughts.? What then ?

This is and always has been the case with governments who are uncontrolled by their peoples. Their governments control them and all that they are and ever will become. Only an idiot would consent or even consider the thought after having had the relationship explained to them with history as a back drop.

It could never happen to them, until it does.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 04:46 | 3094344 MarcusLCrassus
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Ron Paul is a sideshow clown.  Its hilarious that there's a fringe that takes him seriously.  Especially after he compromised his values and didn't keep running when the GOP threatened his ridiculous teabagger kid's political career. 

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 06:08 | 3094352 smacker
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As always, Ron Paul makes very interesting points:  "do we really want to live in a world of police checkpoints, surveillance cameras, metal detectors, X-ray scanners, and warrantless physical searches? "

Firstly, apparently there are plenty of people who really want to live in a world like this. These are the people who vote for political parties who advocate police states and ever more laws to destroy our freedoms. They get 5 second TV News interviews where they say "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear." Yeah, right. It goes almost without saying, these people are on the political Left and are desperate to see a world which is far more organised, structured, ordered, regulated and controlled. Why? Because they are failures or otherwise unsuccessful in the current world and changing it, for them, is the only solution. The list of emotional arguments they spew to justify their demands knows no limit. They call it "progress".

Secondly, the latest shooting in upper state New York of several firemen, lured into a trap. Apparently, the guman spent ~17 years in prison which automatically denies him any chance of getting a gun licence. Yet he used an assault rifle (afaik). This ought to support the case against more gun-control laws, but I feel sure the Left will manipulate it to support their argument, without admitting that a criminal will always get his hands on a gun if he wants to kill someone.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 07:36 | 3094384 pcrs
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All violence is the same. A bullet does not feel different from a uniformed thug or a normal gang member. They are all usually avoidable by paying the thug some money.

The difference with gvt violence is perhaps that after robbing you the gvt thug keeps following you around giving you moral advice.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 08:20 | 3094394 q99x2
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And about Internet Security: If those banksters want to have Internet security then let them get onto their own Internet. Those Enron M'Fers put in 20 times the dark fiber as needed. There is no reason for any government to have to worry about Internet security other than to control the communications between people. Get them off our Internet and onto their own.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 08:20 | 3094395 supermaxedout
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Gun Laws:

Is it normal to have weapons at home. Yes, most households have huge sharp and very stable knifes in their kitchen. These kind of knives are comparable to bajonets and hunting knives. Perfect killing instruments but hardly suitable for mass murder. Sometimes somebody "runs amok" with such a knife and kills people randomly till he is overwhelmed. But the use of knifes is a rare case for these purposes in modern societies.

Unfortunately the situation in the US is now extreme: Masses of frustrated and unsatiesfied people of all kind of age drifting slowly into a state of madness. Running amok is, let say it frankly becoming a wider spread phenomen in the US, simply for the fact that the society is breeding more and more potential amok runners. Combine this situation with the easy availibility of semi or fully automated guns then we have what we have now.

Guns start to speak were talking has stopped. America must change its martial culture, be it the government or the unsure population. Both sides need to get rid of the bulk of their mass killing instruments simultaneously. That would make sense to me. The population in general might be ripe to go new ways but the rulers in the US do not show any sign to leave their path of brutal supression in order to save their privileges.

Health Care etc - comparison with Germany in the 1930:

The German blend of "Extreme Nationalism and Socialism" (NSDAP = National Socialistic German Workers Party)  was the best tasting medicine in these bitter times for the ordinary German. 

1st of May became a National holiday to celebrate the workers, the productive base of the society. Laws were introduced to better protect the workers from unhealthy working conditions (asbestos was already a big theme at that time among the protection from other hazardous materials at the working place). The KDF "Kraft durch Freude" (strength by joy) system was introduced. The name disappeared but the system still exists on a big scale in Germany nowadays. It is a public funded system targeting the health conditions (or better to fight the unhealthy effects of hard work) ) of the working population. The goal is to maintain the health of the workers and to avoid premature exhaustion to maintain their workforce.

As a matter of fact KDF was the absolute opposite of the KZ system ( Concentration Camp System) which was introduced exactly during the same time. The KZs were build for the so called death enemies of the ordinary Germans: Jews, Gypsies, Communists, Free Masons, Homosexuals, whatever group considered as un-German by the Nazis)

The KDF was the beginning of the mass spa industry in Germany trying to fight health problems of the general populations. It is till now an important economic factor in Germany.

But the good tasting Nazi medicine "Extreme Nationalism and Socialism" plus the separating of the "good Germans" from the "bad Germans" or "un-Germans" had nasty and horrible side effects as we all know. Pampering and brainwashing the majority and exterminating the minorities in order to breed really faithful Nazi believers. The German youth as a whole was falling victim to the Nazi Pied Pipers.  It took generations till the Nazi venom was leaving slowly the bodies of the German people. This process is not yet completed.

Hopefully the American people do find the strength to resist easy solutions as the ones offered by the Nazis in Germany during the 1930.  If not it would bring the world from bad to worst.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 09:15 | 3094416 M4570D0N
Tue, 12/25/2012 - 09:28 | 3094424 viedoklis_lv
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You are living Truman show. These shootings at school are fake events - WAKE UP NEO!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 11:03 | 3094585 Monk
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Government security in the form of powerful police and monitoring plus prison systems receives weapons, etc., from the same industry that sells arms to citizens.


Wed, 12/26/2012 - 03:56 | 3095789 cbhattarai
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the better option that you can have is by having the best security cameras

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 09:35 | 3095939 pfairley
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Freedom, freedom..freedom...Govt needs to get a clue about what is driving people crazy, so they shoot up schools, theaters. malls, and congresswoman appearances...They abuse freedom such that everyone's freedom is then restricted. Other countries have the same genetically ill people and they don't shoot so much. ...That's my clue. I won't bore you with the rest

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 09:48 | 3095952 kybkh
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Favorite comments are individuals whom support placing retuning vets and retired police officers in schools to make our students safer.

Amazed how reflexive some peoples minds are. At the first sense of fear the suckle up to the teat of govt and ask for another.

Never do they even consider that by placing an armed individual, no matter their background, in a position of authority you are trusting that individual will always make the correct decision when deciding how much "force" a situation warrants.

While the cost of freedom may seem high at times I assure you the cost of dependency is greater.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:30 | 3096353 Orange Pekoe
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I don't see them shooting up gun fairs or hunting lodges, they're not that crazy. Parents should bring guns to hospitals for anyone who wants to cut their baby's weewee. See what brain dead doctor offers that so called service. No, I am not kidding! People do violence against children because they think they can.

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