Ron Paul: Government Security Is Just Another Kind Of Violence

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From Ron Paul

Government Security Is Just Another Kind Of Violence

The senseless and horrific killings last week in Newtown, Connecticut reminded us that a determined individual or group of individuals can cause great harm no matter what laws are in place.  Connecticut already has restrictive gun laws relative to other states, including restrictions on fully automatic, so-called “assault” rifles and gun-free zones. 

Predictably, the political left responded to the tragedy with emotional calls for increased gun control.  This is understandable, but misguided. The impulse to have government “do something” to protect us in the wake national tragedies is reflexive and often well intentioned.  Many Americans believe that if we simply pass the right laws, future horrors like the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting can be prevented.  But this impulse ignores the self evident truth that criminals don't obey laws.   

The political right, unfortunately, has fallen into the same trap in its calls for quick legislative solutions to gun violence.  If only we put armed police or armed teachers in schools, we’re told, would-be school shooters will be dissuaded or stopped. 

While I certainly agree that more guns equals less crime and that private gun ownership prevents many shootings, I don’t agree that conservatives and libertarians should view government legislation, especially at the federal level, as the solution to violence.  Real change can happen only when we commit ourselves to rebuilding civil society in America, meaning a society based on family, religion, civic and social institutions, and peaceful cooperation through markets.  We cannot reverse decades of moral and intellectual decline by snapping our fingers and passing laws. 

Let’s not forget that our own government policies often undermine civil society, cheapen life, and encourage immorality.  The president and other government officials denounce school violence, yet still advocate for endless undeclared wars abroad and easy abortion at home.  U.S. drone strikes kill thousands, but nobody in America holds vigils or devotes much news coverage to those victims, many of which are children, albeit, of a different color.

Obviously I don’t want to conflate complex issues of foreign policy and war with the Sandy Hook shooting, but it is important to make the broader point that our federal government has zero moral authority to legislate against violence.

Furthermore, do we really want to live in a world of police checkpoints, surveillance cameras, metal detectors, X-ray scanners, and warrantless physical searches?  We see this culture in our airports: witness the shabby spectacle of once proud, happy Americans shuffling through long lines while uniformed TSA agents bark orders.  This is the world of government provided "security," a world far too many Americans now seem to accept or even endorse.  School shootings, no matter how horrific, do not justify creating an Orwellian surveillance state in America.

Do we really believe government can provide total security?  Do we want to involuntarily commit every disaffected, disturbed, or alienated person who fantasizes about violence?  Or can we accept that liberty is more important than the illusion of state-provided security? Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place.  Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives.  We shouldn’t settle for substituting one type of violence for another. Government role is to protect liberty, not to pursue unobtainable safety.

Our freedoms as Americans preceded gun control laws, the TSA, or the Department of Homeland Security.  Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference, not by safety. It is easy to clamor for government security when terrible things happen; but liberty is given true meaning when we support it without exception, and we will be safer for it.

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shovelhead's picture

This may be an issue only of semantics but I would say the right to freedom is yours by virtue of birth. It doesn't need to be earned.

You may have to fight to get it and/or fight to retain it, but no one has the authority to grant it to you. It is yours from birth.

Freedom can only be stolen by force.


Peter Pan's picture

These words of Ron Paul will long be remembered as some of the most powerful words ever spoken by a US politican.

Never again will such a worthy man strut the stage of US politics.

Never again will the elite have the chance to reverse America's slide into chaos.

Obama may be black but he pales into insignificance when put alongside a man like Ron Paul.

America, you may have the biggest economy, the most powerful and the most sophisticated surveillance system, but you are without a true leader and without a true moral compass.

putaipan's picture

and to respond to the last and next comments i wil adopt my holiday time moniker of....HO-HO-HOTEI ! to weeesh you all a ....very merry clickimaka and a value preserving new year ( hey !prosperity if ya'got it ) . but i gotta say-


if this is the bigtrolls come down the chiminey slow, but long x-mas thread, you guys sure got sucked into the media holiday destroying meme of guns and dead children. don't watch their brainwashin'excuse for news.i mean sheesh...  guns? give to me a freakin' break! i don't want one ! not even a red flyer b.b gun. baby jesus born and lives! love, peace on earth and fuck the bankers..... merry chistmas hedgers! but please lighten up on the ammo is better than beans or bullion or you'll put your eye out with that thing.

fuu's picture

Holiday weeks are so slow, nothing but scrub trolls on duty.

Yen Cross's picture

 Fuu is the man! Fuu kicks ass!

Money 4 Nothing's picture

State sponsored terrorism.

 Now you just got mind fucked by MSM and this situation just proved that this Administration runs all MSM's.

Got to 2:47 and she is not dead.

Father mourning?

The proof she is alive.

Part 8:59.. Paid actors, their real last name is Sexton from Florida.

cognus's picture

What happened in CT was pre-wired by the laws  in place in that state & locale, making it a soft target - all the goody people disarmed and confident in their ignorance that a call to Nanny would fix anything that might arise. 

BTW - if any of you are traveling into Mexico for the holidays, be sure to not drive across the border into Northern Mexico at night - gun control by the Federal government works quite well there.

Doug's picture

Wrong answer, Dr. Paul.  Your fantasy world can only exist on top of a world structure that steadfastly puts responsibility and the common good above all else.  Unfortunately, reality dictates that the exact opposite exists, and our gun culture will inevitably lead us to chaos.

Shell Game's picture

"Unfortunately, reality dictates that the exact opposite exists, and our gun prescription drug and media violence culture will inevitably lead us to chaos."




collectivism always ends well, no?  'responsibility' and 'common good' dictated by whom? government?  LOL

Doug's picture

Ok - by that reasoning, prescription drug and media violence dictated by whom? 



Prison Justice's picture

Bless you, Uncle Ron.  

FreeMktFisherMN's picture

Just got my ZH hoodie--very nice and glad I got XXL size!

Also got from my brother a shirt that reads 'Ineptocracy' on the front in bold, and then below for a definition it reads:


'A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.'


Should go nicely with my 'End the Fed'/Sound money for America shirt.

ZH has become something I literally read everyday and check for new posts/read comments each day all the time. I'm a junior econ major who is well aware of the corporatist culture/Keynesian perversions, and actually am looking to go to a prop shop to become a trader so I don't have counterparty risk to rely on someone else to write my paycheck. Want to get into commodities trading or else just wealth mgmt. as I obviously am hugely bullish on PMs and tangibles of real value that can't be ctrl-p'd. It's awesome the range of things all the Tylers analyze so people can see the moral decay that accompanies the financial bankruptcy that permeates all these 'civilized' societies. Continue to fight the good fight for liberty. As a Christian I've seen how congruent libertarianism is as it is not my job to impose with force my values, but to persuade/use spiritual warfare as opposed to jamming things down peoples' throats. 

Merry Christmas all. 

Element's picture

[in-ep-toc'-ra-cy] - shit hot! :D

Anusocracy's picture

Merry Christmas to you.

If you want to broaden your depth of understanding of the human world, I would recommend reading The Righteous Mind - Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion by Jonathon Haidt.

Haidt is a progressive and an atheist, but he will enlighten you on morality and the problems it causes.


IridiumRebel's picture

I'm about to graduate and move on to Law School where I plan on becoming a Constitutional lawyer! Why? TO STOP THESE COCKSUCKERS FROM PISSING ALL OVER IT. God Bless Zero Hedge!


/> Jesus hated bankers too!!

steveo77's picture

MOM- Merry Orwellian Madness

Replace a school that trains troubled kids with military like discipline to establish structure in their lives and to KEEP THEM OUT OF PRISON, and replace it with a JAIL

In order to "CREATE JOBS"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is not a spoof, check it out.

The Gooch's picture

Dropping in to say Merry Christmas ZH'ers!



The Gooch.



proLiberty's picture

Republicans and other advocates of lower tax rates point to the Laffer Curve to show how reducing marginal tax rates can increase government revenues, by which bigger government may be funded.  But the purpose of government is to enable its citizens to "enjoy the blessings of liberty" and so the Laffer Curve, as valuable as it is, is too often used by these people to seek optimum taxes for the purpose of maximizing government.   They are misguided.  I beg them to consider that the role of government is to maximize liberty.  We do not do this by maximizing tax revenues.


Seychelles's picture

Freedom is not eternal bliss.  Freedom is not free.

IridiumRebel's picture

Yeah there is a hefty fuckin fee! And if you don't throw in your buck o five who will?

hedge your future's picture

"Many politicians are in the habit of laying it down as a self-evident proposition that no people ought to be free till they are fit to use their freedom. The maxim is worthy of the fool in the old story who resolved not to go into the water till he had learned to swim".

carlsbadip's picture

The UK bans law abiding citizens from having weapons. They are unarmed prey. Think NYC in the 1980s. Criminals and the disturbed will find weapons. If one teacher was armed and knew how to use a gun properly, many otherwise dead people would be alive. Live in the world you live in and not some make believe place where everyone lives in West L.A., or the Upper Westside.

Pilots have been armed against terrorist, why not all of us?

The insanity projected by the totalitarians is how they would behave. Lenin, Musolinni, Hitler, Mao and Castro took away gun ownership for all citizens, except the state police. China, Cuba and the UK are all places the totalitarians can live in immediately and be safe. You who worship at the altar of safety do not deserve liberty.

IridiumRebel's picture

Deport Piers Morgan.

"From my cold, dead hands!"

cherry picker's picture

Dear Santa, please stay home tonight.

Santa, we love you and your reindeer.  You're a great guy and have served mankind well for a long, long time.  I am really concerned about your safety on Christmas Eve.  I don't think the world will mind if you stay home one Christmas Eve, except for the likes of Apple or Google or Samsung or Nintendo and such, as you must be buying a hell of a lot from these companies to satisfy the children's wishes.

You see, I am thinking that some government is going to shoot you down on Christmas Eve.  Why?  Well, we all know there are sanctions against so many countries and organizations.  If you were seen entering or flying away from Iran for example,  they would suspect you as being dangerous, therefore you would be labelled a terrorist and you would end up staring at the pointy end of some missile.  You can't trust anyone on the ground anymore, they will shoot at anything that moves if they don't know what it is.  I suppose fear does that, makes people jumpy.

You are not  flying around in a conventional aircraft and the color red may be mistaken for Russian or Chinese and we know there are a lot of people in this world that don't trust them. 

Santa, you have to understand that our safety is really important as we never want to die or get hurt and we will sue anyone or kill them if it looks like they could hurt us in any way.

Santa, watch the TSA.  If they don't humiliate you, there are TSA employees who will rob your electronics and if they don't, customs will confiscate the toys if you don't pay duty or taxes on them.  That could be a lot of money for an old fella like you who is self employed.

Santa, your red nose and cheeks suggest you may be a drinker, and if you are, they will nail you with a DUI and refuse you entrance into a lot of countries because you will then be a criminal, even it happened decades in the past.

Santa, I think you had best take my advice and retire.  It isn't as easy to get around this world anymore if you are a non conformist like yourself, even if you have good intentions.

honestann's picture

I do not consent to be governed.
I do not consent to be governed.
I do not consent to be governed.

Just substitute that for your prayers (if you say prayers), or just start repeating to yourself whenever you are not busy.  Maybe it will sink in, eventually.

I mean, really!  It is amazing to me that anyone would accept that notion that some other human being has authority over them.  Hey, they are just human beings, born just like you, so why give them control and priority over your life?

Makes zero sense.  Why do humans accept such blatant nonsense.  After all, it is you who suffers the consequences of your choices, not the busy-bodies and thugs who you allow to govern you.  What's up with this?

It is simply stunning how astronomically stupid most humans have become.  Simply stunning.  Opt out.

Cabreado's picture

Great Show, ann.

In your stunning honesty, you left out the instructions for the astronomically stupid so they could go about "opting out."

What's up with that?



honestann's picture

The stupid will never opt out.  The astronomically stupid won't even understand it means.

Cabreado's picture

So then, we are in a tight spot, eh?

For a second there, I mistook you for someone who gave a damn...

Gave a damn about that place in time where the "astronomically stupid" as you call them -- meet up with the Controllers who eventually render the "astronomically stupid" to be useless feeders.

Your Self-Absorbed view is a (the) most dangerous thing -- and here we are.
As it goes, likely you are waiting for more documentation.

Element's picture

You may be under the impression you're someone else's responsibility.

But more worrying, you may think you're on a hero's-journey to pretend to help others.

See the first sentence.

Cabreado's picture

Humility threatens you.

Drop the bullshit.




Yen Cross's picture

 Element is Eloquent!  My sexy G/F says so!

Element's picture

Why? Has little grumpy EspañOlé boy lost his pet dung-beetle again?

Yen Cross's picture

Element/   You have a Heart/ I really like you! 

honestann's picture

What the world needs is 7,000,000,000 completely self-absorbed human beings, and zero who tell others what to do.

As for documentation, read all the messages I've posted on ZH in the past 10 days.  ZH makes it very easy to do that.  Start by clicking "My Account" and then fiddle around until you find out how to type my ZH username into an input field and produce a listing of my past messages sorted by date.

Yen Cross's picture

 Don't get involved/ Kepp bee/ing the sweet Girl you are.

Anusocracy's picture

They can't opt out, authority is one of the moral spheres. Think of the Milgram Experiments.

The Moral Instinct by Steven Pinker

honestann's picture

I suppose it might be debatable whether people can extract themselves from years of investing in a blatant lie.  I say it is possible, but I don't say it would be easy.

Clearly it is easier for people who have been willing to say "up yours" to authority since the day they were born.  No question that humans operate largely by habituation, and people do tend to close their minds and defend their current positions in the vast majority of cases.

Cabreado's picture

How pathetic it feels to read the words of a Man the collective We threw to the curb just months ago, and as it goes, the collective We will rationalize Our decision...

In the greater context, there are times for Shame.
I suggest We will be remembered that way.

Carry On, Ron Paul.


Never One Roach's picture

$3,000 from Barry for 'Thingamajigs' he promised...anyone get theirs?

IridiumRebel's picture

"Real change can happen only when we commit ourselves to rebuilding civil society in America, meaning a society based on family, religion, civic and social institutions, and peaceful cooperation through markets."

Right on.

Edit: Fuck off to the down voters. If we had the above you might not have so many freeloaders sucking gov dick for subsistence. They may have a WORK ETHIC.

newengland's picture

Nicey words are ineffectual. The political class, bureaucrats and their fans are out to kill each other, using drugged up people as a proxy.

The Republic was built by people who gave everything to their neighbor; one for all, all for one. It suits overpaid politicians to patronise.

Iceland was the only Western nation to defy central banksters and their favored agents, although Britian threatened them with 'anti-terrorists' laws.

Vikings whispered a vow before battle, and career politicians chosen by central banksters  fear it:

'There do I see my father. There do I see my mother. There do I see my brother and the halls of Valhalla where the brave may live forever.'

Politicians stuffed with tax money are cowards. No Valhalla for them or their fans.

cherry picker's picture

Bravery and Liberty go hand in hand don't they.  People cannot have one without the other.


Iceland is a great example to the rest of the world, but no one is listening.

newengland's picture

It does no good for anyone to live in a gilded prison. Genuine community is all. This is the prayer of all, spoken or secretly believed.

Modern politicians grift off all, and do not live in the community, therefore, they can make excuses for serving the money changers, while claiming to be of the people.

Iceland defied the money changers, and the Republic of the USA is betrayed by the Judas CONgress, in my opinion.

cherry picker's picture

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.   For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.....Jesus Christ

So true isn't ?.  They ignore his words and yet most claim to "believe" in him, including those who are running for office, then they defy everything he tried to teach.  That is the sword in my opinion.  Those who desire peace and freedom and the other

newengland's picture


The Prince of peace threw the money changers out of the temple, and I suggest that you do the same, Mr Paul. Jesus died on the cross that you could choose: good or evil; cowardice or bravery. Your choice. Get on with it. Iceland defied the money changers.  You didn't, and nor will your comfy cozy family or college kids.

Happy Christmas to ZH, whether we agree or not, we don't take the Pharisee's silver or gold in order to be happy debt slaves.


Cabreado's picture

You are behaving as one who has answers.

And then you say

"and I suggest that you do the same, Mr Paul."

where you provide evidence that you are a self-interested fool.

To top it all off, you neglect to acknowledge that self-interested fools is exactly the problem.

Yen Cross's picture

 Have You Ever] Have you ever felt safe?  Have you ever had a Mother and Father to walk into your principles office?

  To protect your "feelings and IdEAS"?   Have you ever had a Father that protects his Family? He hunts fof his Wife and Children?

  Valor and Respect aren't submission/  Get her done!