Ron Paul: Government Security Is Just Another Kind Of Violence

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From Ron Paul

Government Security Is Just Another Kind Of Violence

The senseless and horrific killings last week in Newtown, Connecticut reminded us that a determined individual or group of individuals can cause great harm no matter what laws are in place.  Connecticut already has restrictive gun laws relative to other states, including restrictions on fully automatic, so-called “assault” rifles and gun-free zones. 

Predictably, the political left responded to the tragedy with emotional calls for increased gun control.  This is understandable, but misguided. The impulse to have government “do something” to protect us in the wake national tragedies is reflexive and often well intentioned.  Many Americans believe that if we simply pass the right laws, future horrors like the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting can be prevented.  But this impulse ignores the self evident truth that criminals don't obey laws.   

The political right, unfortunately, has fallen into the same trap in its calls for quick legislative solutions to gun violence.  If only we put armed police or armed teachers in schools, we’re told, would-be school shooters will be dissuaded or stopped. 

While I certainly agree that more guns equals less crime and that private gun ownership prevents many shootings, I don’t agree that conservatives and libertarians should view government legislation, especially at the federal level, as the solution to violence.  Real change can happen only when we commit ourselves to rebuilding civil society in America, meaning a society based on family, religion, civic and social institutions, and peaceful cooperation through markets.  We cannot reverse decades of moral and intellectual decline by snapping our fingers and passing laws. 

Let’s not forget that our own government policies often undermine civil society, cheapen life, and encourage immorality.  The president and other government officials denounce school violence, yet still advocate for endless undeclared wars abroad and easy abortion at home.  U.S. drone strikes kill thousands, but nobody in America holds vigils or devotes much news coverage to those victims, many of which are children, albeit, of a different color.

Obviously I don’t want to conflate complex issues of foreign policy and war with the Sandy Hook shooting, but it is important to make the broader point that our federal government has zero moral authority to legislate against violence.

Furthermore, do we really want to live in a world of police checkpoints, surveillance cameras, metal detectors, X-ray scanners, and warrantless physical searches?  We see this culture in our airports: witness the shabby spectacle of once proud, happy Americans shuffling through long lines while uniformed TSA agents bark orders.  This is the world of government provided "security," a world far too many Americans now seem to accept or even endorse.  School shootings, no matter how horrific, do not justify creating an Orwellian surveillance state in America.

Do we really believe government can provide total security?  Do we want to involuntarily commit every disaffected, disturbed, or alienated person who fantasizes about violence?  Or can we accept that liberty is more important than the illusion of state-provided security? Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place.  Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives.  We shouldn’t settle for substituting one type of violence for another. Government role is to protect liberty, not to pursue unobtainable safety.

Our freedoms as Americans preceded gun control laws, the TSA, or the Department of Homeland Security.  Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference, not by safety. It is easy to clamor for government security when terrible things happen; but liberty is given true meaning when we support it without exception, and we will be safer for it.

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dunce's picture

Every mentally unbalanced person need not be instutionalized but today a guy with a long Criminal record that included killing his grandmother with a hammer killed two firefighters and wounded two others before killing himself. Just as sex offenders in some states go straight from jail to an institution so could people like this guy because he will do another violent act again and the authorities know that whether they admit it or not. The real reason for setting all the nuts loose was not because they had rights but that institutions are a heavy burden on taxpayers, it was all about the money.

Yen Cross's picture

  Can't boys be boys?   SHIT, Where IS John Candies Soul?

Yen Cross's picture

 As usuall, Zero Hedge( fucks it up)

are we there yet's picture

News today a mentally ill Chinese man in china stabbed 22 children Aged 6 to 11 at a children's school, also stabbed an 85 year old woman. The man had been arrested days earlier for preaching about the upcoming Mayan doomsday.

are we there yet's picture

Thank you for the date correction. The stabber in china was still as nuts as lanza. He had a kitchen knife of an old lady, imagine if he thought ahead and bought a Samari sward.

Element's picture

Hey Yen, sitting on a balcony watching the coral sea and sipping beverages while surfin zh.

You're probably doing the same.

Haven't seen a Santa's little helper yet though ... I'll keep sipping.

ebworthen's picture

Not possible, knives are regulated, as are fists and baseball bats and 2 x 4's.

Oh wait...

silverserfer's picture

Times are tough in this country. Its time to start pushing back on Prisoner rights. We need to put more people behind bars and lower the standard of living in these prisions. There should never be a reason to let a person out of jail early because of funding issues. We are run by the fucking FED. They have money coming out their ass like fourthmeal at taco bell on a sunday morning.

It should not cost $100K a year to house an inmate. More like $10k feed them alpo!

ebworthen's picture

More pithy truthspeak from Ron Paul.

Woe to the fools in power who don't get it; woe to them as unto the French Nobility.

Audacity17's picture

Nonsense!  You have no liberty if you are dead.  Government's role is not to protect liberty, but rather punish those who would destroy my life and property.  Wrong Ron.

De minimus's picture

And if government destroys your life and property because you have no answer to their desires to control your life and obtain your property, your efforts and your time, not to mention your brain and thoughts.? What then ?

This is and always has been the case with governments who are uncontrolled by their peoples. Their governments control them and all that they are and ever will become. Only an idiot would consent or even consider the thought after having had the relationship explained to them with history as a back drop.

It could never happen to them, until it does.

MarcusLCrassus's picture

Ron Paul is a sideshow clown.  Its hilarious that there's a fringe that takes him seriously.  Especially after he compromised his values and didn't keep running when the GOP threatened his ridiculous teabagger kid's political career. 

smacker's picture

As always, Ron Paul makes very interesting points:  "do we really want to live in a world of police checkpoints, surveillance cameras, metal detectors, X-ray scanners, and warrantless physical searches? "

Firstly, apparently there are plenty of people who really want to live in a world like this. These are the people who vote for political parties who advocate police states and ever more laws to destroy our freedoms. They get 5 second TV News interviews where they say "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear." Yeah, right. It goes almost without saying, these people are on the political Left and are desperate to see a world which is far more organised, structured, ordered, regulated and controlled. Why? Because they are failures or otherwise unsuccessful in the current world and changing it, for them, is the only solution. The list of emotional arguments they spew to justify their demands knows no limit. They call it "progress".

Secondly, the latest shooting in upper state New York of several firemen, lured into a trap. Apparently, the guman spent ~17 years in prison which automatically denies him any chance of getting a gun licence. Yet he used an assault rifle (afaik). This ought to support the case against more gun-control laws, but I feel sure the Left will manipulate it to support their argument, without admitting that a criminal will always get his hands on a gun if he wants to kill someone.

pcrs's picture

All violence is the same. A bullet does not feel different from a uniformed thug or a normal gang member. They are all usually avoidable by paying the thug some money.

The difference with gvt violence is perhaps that after robbing you the gvt thug keeps following you around giving you moral advice.

q99x2's picture

And about Internet Security: If those banksters want to have Internet security then let them get onto their own Internet. Those Enron M'Fers put in 20 times the dark fiber as needed. There is no reason for any government to have to worry about Internet security other than to control the communications between people. Get them off our Internet and onto their own.

supermaxedout's picture

Gun Laws:

Is it normal to have weapons at home. Yes, most households have huge sharp and very stable knifes in their kitchen. These kind of knives are comparable to bajonets and hunting knives. Perfect killing instruments but hardly suitable for mass murder. Sometimes somebody "runs amok" with such a knife and kills people randomly till he is overwhelmed. But the use of knifes is a rare case for these purposes in modern societies.

Unfortunately the situation in the US is now extreme: Masses of frustrated and unsatiesfied people of all kind of age drifting slowly into a state of madness. Running amok is, let say it frankly becoming a wider spread phenomen in the US, simply for the fact that the society is breeding more and more potential amok runners. Combine this situation with the easy availibility of semi or fully automated guns then we have what we have now.

Guns start to speak were talking has stopped. America must change its martial culture, be it the government or the unsure population. Both sides need to get rid of the bulk of their mass killing instruments simultaneously. That would make sense to me. The population in general might be ripe to go new ways but the rulers in the US do not show any sign to leave their path of brutal supression in order to save their privileges.

Health Care etc - comparison with Germany in the 1930:

The German blend of "Extreme Nationalism and Socialism" (NSDAP = National Socialistic German Workers Party)  was the best tasting medicine in these bitter times for the ordinary German. 

1st of May became a National holiday to celebrate the workers, the productive base of the society. Laws were introduced to better protect the workers from unhealthy working conditions (asbestos was already a big theme at that time among the protection from other hazardous materials at the working place). The KDF "Kraft durch Freude" (strength by joy) system was introduced. The name disappeared but the system still exists on a big scale in Germany nowadays. It is a public funded system targeting the health conditions (or better to fight the unhealthy effects of hard work) ) of the working population. The goal is to maintain the health of the workers and to avoid premature exhaustion to maintain their workforce.

As a matter of fact KDF was the absolute opposite of the KZ system ( Concentration Camp System) which was introduced exactly during the same time. The KZs were build for the so called death enemies of the ordinary Germans: Jews, Gypsies, Communists, Free Masons, Homosexuals, whatever group considered as un-German by the Nazis)

The KDF was the beginning of the mass spa industry in Germany trying to fight health problems of the general populations. It is till now an important economic factor in Germany.

But the good tasting Nazi medicine "Extreme Nationalism and Socialism" plus the separating of the "good Germans" from the "bad Germans" or "un-Germans" had nasty and horrible side effects as we all know. Pampering and brainwashing the majority and exterminating the minorities in order to breed really faithful Nazi believers. The German youth as a whole was falling victim to the Nazi Pied Pipers.  It took generations till the Nazi venom was leaving slowly the bodies of the German people. This process is not yet completed.

Hopefully the American people do find the strength to resist easy solutions as the ones offered by the Nazis in Germany during the 1930.  If not it would bring the world from bad to worst.

viedoklis_lv's picture

You are living Truman show. These shootings at school are fake events - WAKE UP NEO!

Monk's picture

Government security in the form of powerful police and monitoring plus prison systems receives weapons, etc., from the same industry that sells arms to citizens.


cbhattarai's picture

the better option that you can have is by having the best security cameras

pfairley's picture

Freedom, freedom..freedom...Govt needs to get a clue about what is driving people crazy, so they shoot up schools, theaters. malls, and congresswoman appearances...They abuse freedom such that everyone's freedom is then restricted. Other countries have the same genetically ill people and they don't shoot so much. ...That's my clue. I won't bore you with the rest

kybkh's picture

Favorite comments are individuals whom support placing retuning vets and retired police officers in schools to make our students safer.

Amazed how reflexive some peoples minds are. At the first sense of fear the suckle up to the teat of govt and ask for another.

Never do they even consider that by placing an armed individual, no matter their background, in a position of authority you are trusting that individual will always make the correct decision when deciding how much "force" a situation warrants.

While the cost of freedom may seem high at times I assure you the cost of dependency is greater.

Orange Pekoe's picture

I don't see them shooting up gun fairs or hunting lodges, they're not that crazy. Parents should bring guns to hospitals for anyone who wants to cut their baby's weewee. See what brain dead doctor offers that so called service. No, I am not kidding! People do violence against children because they think they can.