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The Sleeper Must Awaken

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Via Mark J. Grant, author of Out of the Box,

“Above the comforts of Base Camp, the expedition in fact became an almost Calvinistic undertaking. The ratio of misery to pleasure was greater by an order of magnitude than any mountain I'd been on; I quickly came to understand that climbing Everest was primarily about enduring pain. And in subjecting ourselves to week after week of toil, tedium and suffering, it struck me that most of us were probably seeking above all else, something like a state of grace.”
                     -Jon Krakhauer, Into Thin Air
I am not sure the country is seeking a state of grace but we are surely seeking something of a much higher order than we are getting. Congress adjourns, the President spends twenty million dollars of our money flying off to vacation in Hawaii and we peer over the edge of a monetary cliff of our own making because we have elected people that have all of the leadership skills of some Grinch that is stealing our Christmas because we let him. Ultimately it is us you know, “We the People,” and perhaps it is our two party system of government that has failed us because we put people in power who know how to run for election and re-election but who somehow have no idea how to govern the nation. It is pathos, absurdity and frankly a tragedy that we face a financial calamity, and it is just that, and our elected leaders head off on vacation.
"Well, thus we play the fools with the time, and the spirits of the wise sit in the clouds and mock us."
             -William Shakespeare, Henry IV
It may not be fiddling while Rome is burning but it isn’t that far off that course. In the end, I suspect, we will pass the deadlines and find ourselves in trouble. I say this because to date all we are discussing is who to tax and we have not made one serious effort to confront the social programs that have elected people but which the country cannot afford. It is not that complicated at its core; we cannot afford the entitlements that we have legislated and so the nation must, like any household, man up to what we can and cannot afford and get on with it. No use pretending that we are as rich as we once were and so we must first cut-back and then get down to the serious business of how we can increase our revenues. Households, corporations or governments; the fundamental issues apply and while different themes may apply for the fix; America’s economic condition must be fixed.
"The majority is never right. Never, I tell you! That's one of these lies in society that no free and intelligent man can help rebelling against. Who are the people that make up the biggest proportion of the population -- the intelligent ones or the fools? I think we can agree it's the fools, no matter where you go in this world, it's the fools that form the overwhelming majority."
                   -Henrik Ibsen, An Enemy of the People
I have suggested we place hard limits for our social programs and entitlements and work backwards and I believe this would be the prudent course but somehow prudence does not seem to be part of the thinking in Washington these days. If we said that 25 million Americans could be on food stamps or that only so much can be afforded for Medicare or Social Security then we could start from that point and make the necessary adjustments in terms of who qualified for what or raise the age qualification or allow people in gradually as a result of the limits that were set. Common sense, while never very popular in our nation’s capital, must have been banned in the fine print of some legislative act of which none of us are aware.
“Every day, man is making bigger and better fool-proof things. Every day, nature is making bigger and better fools. So far, I think nature is winning.”
                     -Albert Einstein
The awful truth is that WE are responsible. We elected these people. We condone a two party system where we end up with a choice between the mediocre and the inferior. We are left to choose between the fool and the idiot and the men of character, the people of intellect and those focused on the health of the nation are left behind either because they will not participate or because they cannot survive the taunts and tricks of those that have no other interest besides their own ego and their own self-interests. I make no apologies. This is our fault and until and unless WE start demanding a government that represents our interests and values and morals that sets-aside America from other nations; we have no one to blame but ourselves. That is the sad truth of it which is why going off our present fiscal cliff may be the best thing that could happen to the United States. We might just wake up!
“Without change something sleeps inside us and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.”
            -Frank Herbert, Dune


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Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:31 | 3092670 ihedgemyhedges
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Wake up???  Please................half of the country voted to sleep in 'til 2 or 3pm every day........

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:37 | 3092687 kliguy38
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Yeh sure......its have an institutionalized propaganda/psyops oraganization called the MSM that will crush your dissent.........and if they don't get the job done the trot out the Jack Boot simpletons that love to inflict pain in the name of "serve and protect".....and if they don't get it done then the military. .... Of course they know there is only one thing they really fear and that is a complete breakdown of the "system"......then THEY lose control......ahhh yes......"What a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive"......

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:47 | 3092706 GetZeeGold
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I'm still trying to figure out why half of them have British accents...can't we find someone from America to read the news/propaganda?


Some cat from England keeps telling me how bad America sucks....I guess he's not allowed to go home anymore.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:47 | 3092713 A Lunatic
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Gotta have slaves to lead slaves...............

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:12 | 3092778 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Its not the 2 party system that has failed us either.  I am tired of people thinking that if we just had a viable 3rd party that everything would be fixed in this country.  Most European countries have many party systems, and look what its gotten them.  The same shit we have, or worse.  Its still a 2 party system, no matter how you slice and dice it.  You could call the 2 parties majority and minority.

The problem IMO is too many people want the easy life.  They don't care how they get it.  And thats how every politician gets into office, by buying votes.  No one gets a spanking anymore---they just get coddled.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:33 | 3093023 CrimsonAvenger
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Who gave this a down vote? Care to offer a counterpoint?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:41 | 3093543 hound dog vigilante
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While myriad 'third' parties within Euro nations rarely ascend to a ruling/power position, they do have tremendous policy influence w/in ruling & minority coalitions... look at the Greens in Germany, who have successfully cleansed DE of idiotic nuclear dependence. Equivalent greens here in the US are treated as a pyriah w/in the Democratic Party, much like Libertarians are shunned w/in the GOP.

So yes, there is a huge difference... and there is much to be gained for splintering our two-party system - a system that has effectively become a one-party charade due to the absence/suffocation of any/all dissent - both internal and external - from any point on the political spectrum outside the extremely narrow Dem/GOP position. In a broader political context, US Dems & Repubs are practically indistiguishable, meaning the US has perhaps the narrowest effective political representation in the 'free' world.



Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:52 | 3093560 Freddie
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The Lib Dems in the UK are totally worthless.  Germany has a bunch of parties but the Karlshrue judges aka their Supreme Court still ruled in favor of money printing.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:35 | 3093219 GeorgeHayduke
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Thorstein Veblen nailed this observation in his Theory of the Leisure Class, Naturally, it has been overlooked by most modern so-called economic theorists since it doesn't paint the owners in a demigod light. Considering how image has become everything in this decaying, rancid culture, it appears that Veblen nailed this to the wall a century ago. Funny how so many refuse to see what is right in front of their face.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 23:42 | 3094156 seataka
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In a book, The CIA: The World of Arts and Letters, it was revealed that this is a CIA maxim:


The best place to hide something is right in front of you.



Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:21 | 3093505 Abitdodgie
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Piers Morgan has 43,000 signitures to deport him for attacks on the 2nd ammendment , I think he should be tried for sedition and shot .

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:15 | 3094204 TradingChief
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Much like your fellow Americans, you do not understand the problem so you do not understand the solution.

First of all the majority of Americans do not even understand how to impact their governments direction. A prime example was the Wall Street Rally. There was no focus there was no central issue that anyone really focused on. No one really knew how to organize an effective rally thats because most Americans do not understand their own "Democracy". Whats more, what purpose did picketing Wall Street serve? Was it to "stop the bandits and banksters"? Well why picket Wall Street? Thats what I mean, you have no idea who to even picket when you are pissed off???

When was the last time that you heard of a Congressmans or Senators office being picketed? Or demands that either a Congressman or Senator be held accountable for the way he voted? Rememer he is to do the voters bidding. So how many actually make it known that their Congressman is toast if he does not start paying attention to the wishes of the people? Most Americans feel that if they challenge an elected official, that it is somehow treasonous? Or not being faithful to the flag.

Americans will rally around their beloved Gun lobby to defend their right to carry guns with more viguor then demanding their Congressman be accountable? Its true!

2 Party vs 3 party

First of all, you state that you are tired hearing others state that a 3 party system would work better? Why? Is your 2 party system working that well for you? As far as I can see your 2 Party system has proven over and over again that it can not only fail but fail miserably.

Look at Canada's multiple party system. Its not perfect but its certainly better then what you have in my opinion. For starters, you have two choices, you can either elect the present bums, or re-elect the bums you threw out 4 years ago. A third or 4th option in a "true democracy" always keeps the parties "somewhat straight". Nothing is perfect but your system is a prime example of "imperfect".

Its tough to buy 4 or 5 parties, its a piece of cake to buy 2 parties. We have relegated the old conservative party in Canada to "zero" in fact the present Conservative party is now an amalgamation of two parties. We wiped them of the face of the map for various reasons in their "old form".

The liberals in Canada got into the confort zone of bribery, bid rigging, party fund stuffing, and directed contracts to party faithful. Well the Liberal Party of Canada which was the largest most powerful party in Canada a mere 5 years ago is now one of the smallesst parties with ZERO power.

So before you decide a 3,4,5 party system won't save you I would suggest you look at it on a parallel Democratic system, Canada is one, Britain Another. European democracies are driven by an entirely different system then ours.

America's biggest problem is they got used to leaving the system alone because it was working for them. So you have NO idea how to correct a system that is NOT working for you. ANY system will fail and fail miserably if the public fails to keep that system in check. Americans have never challenged or kept their parties in check. Its simply boot the old bums out to bring in the older bums.

Your system is built around to simplistic things. Abortion vs Pro Choice or Guns or no guns. The NRA and your churches run your system, not the people. "We the people" should read We the church and NRA".

Keep religion out of poltics, this is why your quote of "European multi party systems is invalid". Notice which ones are failing? Not the industrial countries in the North, its the Religious ones in the South.


Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:43 | 3094274 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"2 Party vs 3 party

First of all, you state that you are tired hearing others state that a 3 party system would work better? Why? Is your 2 party system working that well for you? As far as I can see your 2 Party system has proven over and over again that it can not only fail but fail miserably."

I'm not advocating for a 2 party system.  I am simply saying that so many people think that a 3rd party will solve all of the problems that they perceive in the 2 party system.  Just making a point that most countries in Europe have multi party systems and most countries in Europe are economic train wrecks too.  I'm well aware of how the so called parties in our country are 2 sides of the same coin, but more political parties still end up having to form coalitions to get a majority and a minority.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 12:05 | 3094664 TradingChief
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If you look at any countries history all of them are always influenced to one degree or another by the people that make the most noise. In the US, you have to admit the 2 groups that make the most noise are "Pro-life and NRA".

If one party picks one issue and the other, the other they can split a very very big vote. As the election nears, you get candidates like Romney who was on all 4  sides of both issues trying to appeal to everyone. This is why he was labelled a flip flopper early on in the race. He has defended all 4 sides at one time or another.

What would happen if the US never addressed Pro-life and Pro-Choice, Guns or No Guns again? First people would be picketing for no reason because they would know that no Congressman, or Senator would raise the issue again in either House. States would have to sort out the issue, not Federal Governments.

You immediately add functionality to the Federal Government and lower the whacko's ability to affect Federal decisions to ZERO

Going back to your comment on 2 partyvs 3 party

Every 3 Party system (or greater that has or will likely to fail) could not seperate "God and State".

That does not mean you are Godless, but it leaves all of the religious driven issues off of the Federal Gov doketts because I can assure you, there are no "easy decisions in Religion"

Federal Governments should be focused on the economy and employment and no one should have to deal with Religion or the NRA nuts. Nor should the Federal Gov have to deal with Lobbyists,

You may say that NRA and Religion is here to stay, but you have failed at even a rudimentary demand to stop lobbyists from influencing every move your government makes. How about picketing every Congressman and Senators office till he agrees to remove Lobbyists from the Hill? Thats a good start. Now all the special interest groups are no longer in control of America.

Start there, but at least start!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 16:49 | 3095181 TimmyB
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Funny how most cries demanding that the American people "wake up" end up repeating the same propaganda spouted by the owners of this country--- that the taxes on the owners are too high so we must cut the social programs owed to the workers.

"Funny" how the solution to all our problems is the "workers must suffer" while the Mitt Romney's of this country must be allowed to pay almost nothing in taxes. No matter what the problem, this is always the solution. Why is that?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:17 | 3092792 philosoraptor
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'The Sleeper Must Awaken - in French, 'Le Dormeur Doit Se Reveiller'. All my yesterdays came flooding back as I saw the title and the reference in the article to Frank Herbert's Dune. In particular, I was suddenly back in the early 90s, at uni, in some god-forbidden techno club in the north of England, buzzing off my tits (moobs), rubbing whizz on to my gums and gurning like a gimp...this was one of the soundtracks of my then life (it actually uses a sample from the movie version of Dune):

[Le Dormeur - Pleasure Games - 1991]

*sighs at the passage of time and impending fortieth*



Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:54 | 3092907 LFMayor
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Gimp you say?   He's sleepin.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:02 | 3092933 philosoraptor
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More Nineties Nonsense - love it ;o) Ah, them were the days...

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:16 | 3092976 LFMayor
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yeah man, it was easier when we were still young and asleep. 

 Best to you and yours!

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:48 | 3093070 From Germany Wi...
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That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons even death may die.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:05 | 3093581 Freddie
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WTF is that?  You need some Belgian New Beat circa 1989.  Sung in heavily Beligian accented German.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:11 | 3093591 fuu
Tue, 12/25/2012 - 03:01 | 3094317 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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+1 for the screen name. For the content, -1

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:25 | 3092999 nugjuice
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I will never forgive the country for letting Ron Paul go. We actually had a real, legitimate shot to get something done. Here's hoping to Rand Paul in 2016

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:42 | 3093389 OccupyTVstations
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LOL, Ron Paul just took home his 2nd gold medal for diving.

You ought to be pissed that he took all the record breaking money bombs and grassroots support and threw it away in a fake campaign, run by his son.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 03:18 | 3094322 WezTheJuic
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Welcome to what the Canadians and Australians have been conditioned for, and for such a long time.  Button on these two countries will be realized right after the tipping point for the USA.  Unless, the trend of the awakening American continues to truly take hold.


Wed, 12/26/2012 - 00:27 | 3095676 WTFRLY
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Absolutely, the power structure fears that cascading collapse and is desperately influencing the mainstream media narrative. The only way to break the masses out of the trance is for them to experience the progression of their enslavement in a personal manner (foreclosure, job loss, pension evaporation, etc.), it just depends on how hard and fast that event comes. Looking at the charts lately, it may be too late.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:41 | 3092699 duo
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actually it was 58 million of us.  I don't know about the other 252 million.  I guess the "majority" spoke for them.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:48 | 3092715 IridiumRebel
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#10 When you total up all working age Americans that do not have a job in America today, it comes to more than 100 million.


That's tough to overcome. I can help my family and no one else. I cannot help 100 million zombies awaiting their next "smart phone" to update everyone how it is going for them down at the laundromat.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:49 | 3092891 Landrew
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The millions without a living wage are OUR families! Who do you think these people are? I do my best to take care of the people I KNOW and it isn't enough that's why we call it a SOCIETY! Do you really want to live in Mexico or many of the South American countries? I lived in Chile six months last year, EVERY HOME has bars.dogs and alarms and it's still not enough. I myself would rather have a country we all rise up. Real education of job skills and creative content is our hope to live in a country without fear.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:39 | 3093381 CuriousPasserby
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Do they need bars, dogs and alarms because they can't have guns?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:56 | 3092914 dracos_ghost
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Except  Obama will help them with YOUR money. There is no escape from this progressive fascist freight train coming down the tracks. My head aches trying to figure a way to navigate this stupidity that we've elected.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:29 | 3093349 Snakeeyes
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We will NOT go off the fiscal cliff for more than a quarter. Congress will agree to most of Obama's desire spending cuts and nothing will change, except that taxes go up.

It's ALL Kabuki theatre!

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:32 | 3093525 Abitdodgie
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It has nothing to do with congress Obama is the CEO of UNITED STATES  a  corperation , who has been the De Facto Government since 1871 . You are in contract with them , and you have NO rights .

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:13 | 3094243 WTFUD
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Doggie STFU
Poodle Obamas first steps and the next ( until ponzi / fallout colateral / retirement package ) footprints for mankind were determined even before elected by the Dons! Fearing "rebellion" what better Role Model hope dope to quell sheeple angst/ire and thus buy time for elites.

Hillary RodherCunt Clit-On blue rinse cookie superpack support blocking vote would not placate prolatariate en mass as Commandher-In- Chief and fuck me with All the drunks in a Repo -Publican bar they select rubber Jonny jowles McCain in 2008 and Mitty darn chinese bain frankenstein Rommelly in 2012!

Next up there after Bamby and just my hunch even though a long shot by admission is Kimmy Kard ( although we would need another wing added to the WH for entourrage ).

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 22:58 | 3094112 ball-and-chain
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Go back to sleep.

It ain't gonna matter anyway.

We're too far gone.

Tune in, turn on, and drop out.

By a school bus and tour the country.

Live on canned chili.

Screw the man.  Screw the man's gold.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:32 | 3092672 falak pema
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wake up with a broken Boehner boner? 

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:43 | 3092703 CPL
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If he knows what's good for him he's already creeping out the back door.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:58 | 3092748 Bullwinkle Moose
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more like oozing under the back door

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:35 | 3092678 Flakmeister
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And just who is going to sign up to play Muad'dib?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:50 | 3092723 Freedomtosayno
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A prophecy has been written... Human Action has been chronicled by Ludwig Von Mises and by disciples, Rothbard, Hayek, etc. of the (our) Austrian School.

A (or the) disciple(s) will (are) come(ing) from that discipline of liberty. Dr. Ron Paul is its vanguard.

The sleepers are awaking and the (Dark Agers) Establishment knows it and fears it.

Merry Xmas to everyone with the blessings of liberty and peace…



Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:32 | 3092836 Flakmeister
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Merry Christmas indeed...

But these are not the clowns we are looking for, unless you believe that a non-technical agrarian society is all we can master... 

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 01:32 | 3094266 WTFUD
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peoples i feel your pain But i feel it is rather vulgar to find "that old time religon" at 82 with skin in the game for ' a that ' and a legacy for your offspring clone!

Please amend your constitution to read that no family member (at least up to first cousin ) can run for Any elected office for 50 years; no fcuking Dynastys ya dig?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:35 | 3092679 q99x2
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Impeach them. Arrest them.

-- Q99X2

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:52 | 3093649 CH1
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Impeach them. Arrest them.

Stop taking them seriously and stop obeying them.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:35 | 3092681 Unprepared
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Mark J. Grant: The Great Quoter.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:36 | 3092682 Nihilarian
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Don't fault me, sir, I didn't vote for any of these clowns. 

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:39 | 3092685 Cognitive Dissonance
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“Without change something sleeps inside us and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.”

I fully agree. However, rarely can the sleeper be awoken. Rather s/he must awake by her/his own volition.

You simply can't shake awake those that sleep. They must be ready, willing and able to wake on their own, a source of great frustration to those further along the path of awakening.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:39 | 3092693 SheepDog-One
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Maybe if a wakeup call is TWEETED! Disguised as new info for the upcoming 'American Idol Worshipper' show or something. 


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:49 | 3092719 centerline
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Probably.  If it comes from the boob-tube it must be right!  lol.

Actually not too far off from the method that I have had any degree of success with loved ones who are bonified sheeple.  A trail of breadcrumbs per se.  Little bits of information that help connect the dots.  Easy stuff that we see here everyday and talk about (Thanks ZH).  After a couple of years of this, I've noticed a few people starting to at least notice them.  I can only hope that once something really breaks, the breadcrumb trail will suddenly look like a airport runway at night.  

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:57 | 3092722 Cognitive Dissonance
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The problem is that there isn't a base of 'truth' waiting to be discovered under a thin veneer of surface lie. Instead there are layers upon layers of lies, half truths, subterfuge, denial and black ops, each of which must be waded through and absorbed in order to be able to proceed to the next layer, then the layer after that, then the next one and so on.

This takes great courage and perseverance, something that has for the most part been bred and conditioned out of the present day generation. One must want; one must desire to move into the path of the emotional pain. But why do so when the control system offers so many alternative softer, easier ways to denial and oblivion.

This is why the author is saying that going over the cliff might actually be a good thing. If the person doesn't want to face the pain, maybe the pain needs to face the person. The problem with this is that the control system will quickly offer up another panacea that just serves to further enslave us.

Real change begins within and there is simply no substitute for this process of growth and self discovery.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:40 | 3093044 Ignatius
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It is very few who would choose to jump into ice water.

We're gonna get pushed.  When?  Who knows.  Sooner, than later, I suppose.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:55 | 3093090 The Old Man
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Cog, Merry Christmas. What I'm seeing currently is a response from the press (MSM) putting forth the concept of a Fiscal "Slope, shelf etc...". Downplaying the reality of the situation. It's as if they have been instructed to keep the masses calm. Waking up what needs to stay asleep would accelerate the problem. Think about it. Runs on banks, a halt to personal retirement investment, heck, let's not pay the mortgage this month, we may need the money for bread, milk, fuel. Eventually this will all happen anyway. Stopping the waves of awakening will be impossible over the long run...... Maybe they don't want a panic over the Holiday. One last party before the real end.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 03:33 | 3094328 WezTheJuic
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Maybe it is also time for some of us to come out.

More are coming out, which is why on certain levels it has been accelerated.

Either way, agreed.



Tue, 12/25/2012 - 06:36 | 3094372 Element
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Just like belief is a toxic act of inner-desperation to believe in the unbelievable. The so-called awakening potential starts with an act of inner desperation, to not accept a damn thing, no lies, no myths, no fables, no opinions, no speculations, no delusions, no honor, no word, no third-parties, no descriptions, no assumptions, no imaginary stuff. It can't be some shabby choice that's verbal or decided via self-selection. None of it can go any where without 100% smashing, demolishing and rejection of everything you've ever been. It wasn't described in ancient teachings as a full death and a complete rebirth, for nothing. It can't be conjured or faked, and is pointless if not detrimental to even talk about it like it's optional and achievable. People don't even know if they go through all that if anything could even come of it. So who's going to do that? Yeah, almost no one, but the deeply desperate and dissatisfied. Not expecting a golden-age gusher of that sort.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 05:58 | 3094361 Element
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I was thinking more in terms of an enlightenment Taser to a bollock. ;)

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:43 | 3092702 centerline
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I've tried.  And tried.  The most heavily programmed actually dig in further.  Kind of like that movie Inception.  lol.  Self defense mechanisms within dreams.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:45 | 3092709 SheepDog-One
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Yep, it just doesnt work waking people up, they just get angry at you.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:45 | 3092708 CPL
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 Robert Heinlein: Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:52 | 3092730 centerline
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That is classic.  Thanks.

I just know I am going to whip that one out at a really poor moment though.  Too hard to resist.   Too funny. Gotta use it. 

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:11 | 3092777 StychoKiller
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How do you wake up someone that's pretending to be asleep?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:53 | 3092903 LFMayor
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a bic lighter usually does the trick.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 21:55 | 3094031 Go Tribe
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"Out of Stock" signs for everything AR and ammo is the sound of the sleeper awakening.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:38 | 3092688 SheepDog-One
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I didnt elect ANY of these fucktards! I've been saying it's all just nothing but a puppet show for years, Act of 1871, Emergency Banking At of 1933....there is no 'govt' its a board of directors overseeing the bankrupt corporation, thats all.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:42 | 3092701 Cognitive Dissonance
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Someone might just hear you and begin to ask questions. That's not good for the status quo.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:55 | 3092734 knukles
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The both of you. 

Dissent is not allowed
Or it's off to the Never Ending Summer Camp for you


(Where you'll be housed in the Blankfien Barracks
And subject to lectures by the Good Dr Krugman 24/7/365)

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:01 | 3092753 Cognitive Dissonance
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Mrs. Cog and I would like to know if we will be afforded conjugal visits.

<Just askin' cus..........well, you know.>

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:23 | 3093182 piceridu
Mon, 12/24/2012 - 17:40 | 3093722 cynicalskeptic
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When the system is run for the benefit of criminals then those that dare point out the crimes committed are treated as enemies of that system.


How many bankers and Wall Street execs have been prosecuted (much less sent to prison) compared to all those in OWS that were arrested for protesting against this situation?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:42 | 3093234 livid levity
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Thought crimes will be prosecuted

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:57 | 3092744 CPL
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And today we can watch TPTB tear each other apart in a world of diminishing resources.  

Won't even have to fire a single shot.  This is now a unsolvable math problem at cost to the people running the show and the suckers that believe them, even after being given thousands of indications daily that they are next on the chopping block.  The delusion is deep and unalterable until something terrible happens to them.


At that point the excuse "it could be worse" just won't cut it anymore, people are going to be pissed and judging by the news of gun sales.  Very well armed.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:06 | 3092766 eddiebe
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Really hands in the air all of you who think there really is a choice in electing our leadership. Who are the retards here? The other issue I have with the author of the above missive( which, granted, does make some good points): Why start with picking on entitlements, which were a solid contract by we the people for the people and which every developed country has by the way. No mention of the interminable wars on terror or whatever the enemy du jour may be including the farce that is the war on drugs, or corporate welfare or maybe even the subsidy of banking and all the little dictatorships all over the world. I could go on and on.

 Sorry, but which ever Tyler wrote this little above piece ( and I really am restraining myself by not calling it a piece of something more odious) definitely sounds like a shill to me. Shame!

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:41 | 3092869 blunderdog
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      Why start with picking on entitlements, which were a solid contract by we the people for the people and which every developed country has by the way.

Personal taste, probably.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:30 | 3093013 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Why start with picking on entitlements, which were a solid contract by we the people for the people and which every developed country has by the way.

Because we all know a fat lazy ass or two who are sucking off the government tit just as fast as they can. The safety net is not supposed to be a hammock.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:56 | 3092739 knukles
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Betcha that Moron thinks thats Crappy


(I couldn't resist)

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:45 | 3092705 A Lunatic
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For the last fucking time; There is no fiscal cliff......

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:58 | 3092747 centerline
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It's a debt target cleverly disguised as a cliff so that the cannabalism of the system required to derive yield can be more readily sold to the public.  Yeah, everyone get bushwacked - in different ways mostly.  But, the massive and numerous divides (public/private, right/left, poor/rich, black/white, etc.) will keep the masses at bay - at least until something profound breaks with supply chain of bread and circuses.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:47 | 3092712 ekm
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Death and Resurrection is the solution.


Dealth by a thousand cuts is agony.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:48 | 3092716 imapopulistnow
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Compromise between competing interests is what has kept this nation going for so many years.  Sadly both parties have lost control to their respective ideologues.  Each is no longer able to compromise because to do so would violate their "principles".

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:34 | 3093028 Beam Me Up Scotty
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We have compromised our way into a 16.5 trillion dollar hole. Your version of compromise is the wife agreeing to sign up for another credit card if the husband agrees to reduce the amount of money he gambles at the casino from $1100 a day to $1000 a day.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:49 | 3092717 Vendetta
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but the trillion on 'defense' and mult-trillion banker bailouts should continue?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:59 | 3092751 CPL
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Yes, but that trillion buys half of what it did four years ago.  Each print job further shrinking the availability of energy, inventory and supplies.


Attrition is a bitch.  Entropy is a bitch.  Just stand back and watch it happen.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:50 | 3092720 hawk nation
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When the parasite becomes bigger than the host the host dies. I just dont know how long we can last on life support.

Fortunately government continues to overreach with its regulations and taxes so it is in effect helping to kill itself

God we need a reset but it will be nasty

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:37 | 3093033 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Good analogy. It's like the movie Alien. The monster is about to explode out of our abdomen any time now.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:50 | 3092721 Bob
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Is it not widely understood that Einstein was a proponent of socialism?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:16 | 3092789 StychoKiller
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It also looks like he never combed his hair, what's yer point?

There are some people that can perform astounding computations in their minds, but are sadly lacking in other cognitive functions...

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:56 | 3092898 Bob
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Just saying that using him to support an argument against the cursed majority rings a bit hollow. 

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:20 | 3092985 Umh
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So what.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 13:13 | 3094765 hootowl
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Socialism, like psychiatry and fractional reserve banking, is a Jewish scam.



Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:51 | 3092727 Disenchanted
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"The majority is never right. Never, I tell you! That's one of these lies in society that no free and intelligent man can help rebelling against. Who are the people that make up the biggest proportion of the population -- the intelligent ones or the fools? I think we can agree it's the fools, no matter where you go in this world, it's the fools that form the overwhelming majority."

                   -Henrik Ibsen, An Enemy of the People


I've been under the impression that's it's the 'smartest [financial] guys in the room' who've gotten us to where we are today. They are certainly not the majority.

Am I wrong?


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:23 | 3092812 Bohm Squad
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With the point being that those folks aren't ever punished - their actions are tolerated, ultimately, by the majority.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:54 | 3092733 Temporalist
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Sharing these because I hadn't seen them discussed much:

S&P downgrades Scotiabank, National Bank, 4 others

"Standard & Poor’s has downgraded the ratings of six of Canada’s financial institutions by one notch.

The credit ratings agency cites a softening economy, low interest rates and pressure from the headwinds facing Canada’s economy."


And as it relates to the Canadian Real Estate market:

Canadian Housing Bubble About to Pop

"Perhaps the saddest part of this oncoming crisis is that only a few years ago, the U.S. had all the same symptoms that Canada has now: heavy debt, credit downgrades, rising housing prices, misplaced confidence in the system—but Canada hasn’t learned from its neighbor."


Canada housing starts slow in November


Housing Market: Bank Of Canada Outlines Scenario For How Home Sales Slump Could Drag Down Economy


Canada Household Debt Ratio Hits Record 164.6% in 3Q

"The ratio of Canadian household debt to disposable income rose to a record last quarter, highlighting what Bank of Canada Governor Mark Carney called the biggest domestic risk to the economy."



Also something recent:

Moody's downgrades three Dubai banks

"Moody's Investors Service has downgraded three Dubai-based banks, including the emirate's largest Emirates NBD, on concerns about problem loans.

The rating agency also put a fourth bank on watch for a possible downgrade owing to high levels of non-performing loans (NPLs)."

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:01 | 3092754 CPL
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Funny how in Canada we have to go outside of our own news here to find out what is happening.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:49 | 3092888 Bay of Pigs
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Yes, and I noticed BNN, Canada's version of the BlowHorn [CNBC] now has the ex Goldmanite and Deutsche Bank barbie doll Catherine Murray as their news anchor.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:40 | 3093045 Beam Me Up Scotty
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She's way hotter than Becky Quick.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:10 | 3093590 Freddie
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Cute but another NWO stooge who worked for the Goldman/DB and other bankster stooges.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 03:39 | 3094330 WezTheJuic
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While now, that rule is being applied to so many other western countries in this world.  While what is funny, is some are actually paying for such levels of disinformation.



Mon, 12/24/2012 - 10:54 | 3092735 BlueStreet
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That is the sad truth of it which is why going off our present fiscal cliff may be the best thing that could happen to the United States. We might just wake up!

The country will wake up because of the cliff, that's funny.  Take their television sets and internet away and then maybe. 



Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:02 | 3092758 LFMayor
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Bitches, I told you and I TOLD YOU "Buy gats n straps n shit". 



Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:08 | 3092769 Misean
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What do ya mean "WE" white man? --Tonto

Seriously, I am sick of this kind of collectivist nonsense which seeks to blame me for all this mess, because the State offers me a prayer booth every few years to beseach the great EYE for alms.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:45 | 3092875 dvfco
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Because, if you are a white, Anglo-Saxon male, it's all your fault.  

Everyone else is right, and white men have been wrong all along.

 (I'll throw in the /sarc, 'cause it's almost Christmas!).

It is the white mans' fault because throughout history, they have developed the most productive societies, all of which have or will soon collapse when the producers give up the fight to prevent the 'takers' from taking more than the 'makers' should reasonably be contributing to the common good.

Vive la France!  I'm enjoying watching the few frogs with nut sacks walk over the border to Belgium and other neighboring states to keep the money they've actually earned, rather than deal with the nearly 100% tax rate.

I think most ZH readers get the point that we cannot keep giving things away and hope to remain a civilized society.

People looking to keep all their rights (i.e. - expecting the government to abide by the Constitution) aren't crazy or greedy.  This country was only great while the Constitution was the true law of the land.  

We need an Amendment to the Constitution known as "The Final Amendment" and it should state, "As of 1/1/2013, all government officials, whether elected or appointed, shall abide by the entire Constitution, without exception, and abide by their oath under penalty of death of a minimum of life imprisonment.  There will be no 'minor infractions' in enforcing this Amendment.  The difference between a high crimes and a misdemeanor will be considered only in the manner the death penalty is carried out.  Finally, a new election will be held on 3-1-2012 to permit all the snakes to jump ship, as those whose remain in government will be prosecuted for past crimes.  It will be their last chance to walk away"

Think of it:  The entire Obama administration resigns, most local, state and federal appointees run, we have Freedom of Speech, Religion (not freedom from religion), the government out of our business, and so much more . . .The Fiscal Cliff would be a joke as all spending would decline by 1/2 just by kicking bums out.  Merry Christmas!  I guess I can always dream.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:57 | 3093099 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1 for a dream...

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:17 | 3092793 flattrader
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>>>I have suggested we place hard limits for our social programs and entitlements and work backwards and I believe this would be the prudent course but somehow prudence does not seem to be part of the thinking in Washington these days.<<<

I suggest we work backwards fromending illegal wars, corporate entitlements, tax credits, deductions and special breaks for hedge funds etc...and then work on social entitlement reforms.

Fuck you Mark Grant

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:21 | 3092801 AnAnonymous
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'Americans' run a business of extorting the weak, farming the poor.

Their charity business only exists because it ups the welfare of the 'american' middle class, providing them with more venues to consumption.

The first 'americans' are going to eliminate is clear, extorting and farming come with their own mandatory requirements.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:50 | 3092897 LFMayor
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solution:  quit being weak, you fucking servile little queue wearing laundryman.  Until then, get your ass busy making plastic dog-shit, what do you think we're paying you for?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:25 | 3092815 flattrader
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Little fucking wonder that his "solutions" are always start on the back of "low income" Americans.

Gotta protect his bankster buddies

>>>Mark J. Grant is Managing Director of the Corporate Syndicate Department for a publicly traded investment bank. In addition, he has run the capital markets departments and has been on the boards of four investment banks. He also served as the president of a public company in telecommunications and was on its board of directors.<<<

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:19 | 3092798 AnAnonymous
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This is our fault and until and unless WE start demanding a government that represents our interests and values and morals that sets-aside America from other nations; we have no one to blame but ourselves.

Ah, it is going to be difficult. As 'americanism' is spreading, as more and more people are engulfed in it, 'american' values and morals that indeed set the first 'american' nation to be erected aside from other nations, those values and morals are widely shared by people around.

Most people are 'american'

But, as a counter weight, the US is as 'american' as it used to be on 1776, July, 4th.

There is no needs to call for a change, a restoration or any thing as there has been no degeneration, no corruption in 'americanism'

Same stuff as in 1776, July, 4th, hijacking humanity for personal benefits (which set 'America' aside from other nations indeed), masquerading coercion for freedom, propaganda for truth, and injustice for justice (setting again 'America' aside from other nations that used to coerce while accepting they coerced etc)

The rise of the homo 'americanus' is still the best thing to have ever happened to humanity.

As 'americans' are used to saying.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:24 | 3092810 Bicycle Repairman
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"Ultimately it is us you know, “We the People,” and perhaps it is our two party system of government that has failed us because we put people in power who know how to run for election and re-election but who somehow have no idea how to govern the nation."

I accept no blame.  Zero.  This democracy is a sham.  I do not need validation from anyone.  Anyone who tries to apportion blame to me will be resisted to the best of my abilities.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:30 | 3092833 flattrader
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Grant is a bankster trying to get you and me to accept repsonsiblity for the mess and throw grammy and grandpy under the bus so he and his bankster buddies can steal more $$$.

>>>"Mark Grant is among the most astute observers of the financial scene. His daily musings are read by a 'who's who' of Wall Street pros....<<<

He must laugh his ass off when he writes this shit and then sees ZHers scream about Obamaphones.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:22 | 3092811 Contrary Casanova
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I voted for term limits and balanced budgets. I voted for honorable men to do the right thing. Do not blame me for this mess. They are the ones responsible and soon they will lose there jobs to be replaced by new men honest men who will help this country be a place of freedom and peace. Although there may be a few bumps in the road.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:27 | 3092820 Taint Boil
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It is refreshing to see a reference to Dune, the greatest sci-fi series ever written. Spice = Oil.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:35 | 3092844 dscott8186
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You know, there was a time in America, at the beginning that voting actually meant something and was taken seriously.  Today voting is not taken seriously because it is considered an inconvenience of difficult choices.  

In the beginning when voting was a duty and serious business only those who were land owners and business people could vote.  Yes, that's right, there was no universal suffrage even for males at the founding, up to 50% of them didn't have the right to vote.  They copied their roots, i.e. the British.

Those who had a vested financial interest in the outcome, i.e. those who were taxed to run the government and it's programs made the decisions.  The vote became trivialized when everyone and his brother & sister had a voice in making decisions to which they in all probability had no price to pay.  When the apartment dweller has an equal vote to the home owner, guess what the consequence will be?  Moral sophistry making calls of inequality and the demand to confiscate the fruits of those who labor for those who do not.  It is as it has been foretold, When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

This is why it MUST ALL CRASH and BURN, to end the flippancy of the vote manipulated by clever self serving politicians and their cadre of tax payer fed cronies.  The end must come for the new beginning to start.  The sleeper will not awaken until the end and then only to awake at a new beginning. 

Do nothing, threaten nothing, stand back and don't hinder the process of destruction. We have already crossed the Rubicon with the national debt and the Dollar so there is no point in trying to save that which is damaged beyond repair.  Those like Obama who advance the destruction for their own selfish ends depend upon the responsible to save them from the consequences of their own efforts while all others suffer.  The rich and the powerful frequently save each other even though they are enemies because their vested interests are the same.  If they did not they would go down together for the very same reasons.  

Obama and his minions have a plan that only works if those who disagree with him oppose him.  In the very attempt to save the country, they instead unknowingly support Obama's plan.  You will all be financially equal because you will all be slaves.  Obama's plan requires your opposition to make the process controlled and incremental for the soft landing easing everyone into the Socialist State.  If you refuse to oppose him the process will rapidly crash and burn, meaning Obama will not have any control over the outcome and so find himself on the wrong side of history. This is what community organizers do, forment and take credit.  Look at his foreign policy for insight.

Argentina used to be one of the most properous countries in the New World until the Peron's took over and led the nation to Socialism.  Argentina was a republic much like ours in the 1940's.

Why did this come about?  Because our people do not view themselves as a whole but a series of competing special interest groups who are victims of the whole.  The politicians exploited victimhood and so we failed to denounce them for their actions that divided us.  We let self serving politicians behave as though doing something evil was good and that is our fault.  Since when was race baiting an act of goodness?  Since when was forcing the taxpayer to subsidize the profit of a politically connected business an act of financial responsibility?  We allowed them to advance sophistry as a legitimate line of argument.  In nature, those who behave this way are promptly eaten for their self deception.  Destruction is the purifier of all things and pain it's wise master.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:49 | 3092890 blunderdog
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This quote is ALWAYS brought up in the wrong context...

    "It is as it has been foretold, When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

It's not "The People" who are voting themselves money.  It's the industrialists who own the country and manage the electoral process.  You look at the politicians who get elected, and you look at who made it possible, and there is universally a big-business backer who just happens to own the company that has (or will soon get) a huge government contract.

"The People" didn't vote themselves Medicare-D.  The pharmaceutrical industry did.  "The People" didn't vote themselves "Obamacare"--the health-insurance lobby did.  For sure, there are some food-stampers and welfare recipients who voted for Obama, but so what? 

He couldn't increase the monthly foodstamps allowance even if he wanted to.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 15:07 | 3093466 flattrader
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>>>Those who had a vested financial interest in the outcome, i.e. those who were taxed to run the government and it's programs made the decisions.  The vote became trivialized when everyone and his brother & sister had a voice in making decisions to which they in all probability had no price to pay.  When the apartment dweller has an equal vote to the home owner, guess what the consequence will be?  Moral sophistry making calls of inequality and the demand to confiscate the fruits of those who labor for those who do not.  It is as it has been foretold, When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.<<<

Hey asshole, back in the "good old days" the non-landowners where expected to go and die for the brilliantly bad decisions that their so-called "betters" made.

Too bad the wealthy, white male population pre-Voting Rights Act didn't actually have to bleed-out enmass on some foreign battlefield for their financial interests in two fully global wars and numerous other military adventures.  There might have been fewer of these debacles.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:43 | 3092873 adr
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The concept of WE is at fault. That a collective controlling a nation is somehow preferable to the concept of I, and local control. Putting hundreds of millions under a single banner always ends with the destruction of the population. The only people who benefit from we, are the administrators and those who wish to live off the system as slaves to it.

Did transferring retail to a giant collective help commerce? Did more people become wealthy because of it? Or did it benefit a select few and harm the collective serving it?

Did the establisment of commodity futures, thus placing virtually all farms under collective control, help small farmers? Or did it allow for the establisment of big corporate agriculture to take over? Americans could be starving by the millions, yet big ag would be selling our food to China or whoever would pay more for it.

Has allowing the banks to conglomerate into a handful of institutions overseeing all the cash and credit in our monetary system helped us?

WE is never preferable to I. The concept of self must re-awaken. Compromise can only have a maximum of 50% right, which also means 50% wrong. Our government system is nothing but an andless shitty compromise that can't ever move us forward. When the compromise fails the sides then debate which side was wrong, never figuring out compromise in the first place was at fault. At least an individual idea can be found to be right or wrong.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:46 | 3092879 EcoJoker
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I had decided that I spend too much time trying to educate people.   They call me a nut or crazy and I'm done trying to correct them.   We're fucked.  At this point, I'm simply protecting myself and my family.  We're done as a country.


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:57 | 3092889 fuu
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"The awful truth is that WE are responsible. We elected these people. We condone a two party system where we end up with a choice between the mediocre and the inferior."

Fuck your projection Mark Grant.

There were plenty of other choices, YOU chose from amongst the two.

You little fucking worm shill.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:39 | 3093226 e_goldstein
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BTW, glad to see you got out of the pool and got your gun back, fuu.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:12 | 3093305 fuu
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So many boat accidents, so little time.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:13 | 3093594 From Germany Wi...
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A multi-party system isn't necessarily better. See Germany and its Euromancer fanatics. No system saves you from the wrong people (those who are actually supposed to fill it with life and meaning).

Don't change the system. Instead create a society where good, solid carftsmanship and thoughtfulness is being highly esteemed - versus just being a good show-off.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 11:50 | 3092892 gould's fisker
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The more things change . . .:

"All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise, not from defects in their Constitution or Confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from the downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation."

John Adams

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:00 | 3092924 There ya go again.
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Until enough people are in enough pain there will sadly be no change.


Pain is the touchstone of all progress.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:08 | 3092953 Bob
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Painfully true, it seems.  They'd better get cracking on that security state project. 

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:05 | 3092942 bugs_
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it is one thing to wake up, quite another to get out of bed.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:09 | 3092957 Bohm Squad
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Let's play a game:  Read the above comments and try to find their parallel in the Burke quote below.


"It is not enough in a situation of trust in the commonwealth, that a man means well to his country; it is not enough that in his single person he never did an evil act, but always voted according to his conscience, and even harangued against every design which he apprehended to be prejudicial to the interests of his country. This innoxious and ineffectual character, that seems formed upon a plan of apology and disculpation, falls miserably short of the mark of public duty. That duty demands and requires that what is right should not only be made known, but made prevalent; that what is evil should not only be detected, but defeated. When the public man omits to put himself in a situation of doing his duty with effect it is an omission that frustrates the purposes of his trust almost as much as if he had formally betrayed it."

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:22 | 3092990 BuckShotJones
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Sleeper's? No. We are quite active and determined. Despite the reality of fiscal bankruptcy and social implosion, we could care less about our own country or children’s future . We act like a pack of wild dogs fighting over the rotting carcass that provides us scraps. The government has been subverted, the culture decimated and the population educated to believe they are really nothing more than consuming animals at a Black Friday sale.  Critical thinking gave way to emotionalism, truth to relativism, Love to sex, morality to appetite, freedom to dependency.  We have been de-humanized for the purpose of increasing control over us and we were not asleep, we adopted the new offered civilization as superior because it served us right now.

How do you bring back a human that has been raised as an animal when the owner keeps feeding him raw meat?


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:29 | 3093012 100pcDredge
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Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:40 | 3093046 FeralSerf
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"we end up with a choice between the mediocre and the inferior."

When do we get to vote on the mediocre candidate?  The only choices I've seen from the two major parties is inferior.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:50 | 3093076 kevinearick
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Silicon Valley: The Empire’s Whore, I Mean Handmaiden

 You didn’t really take SV’s self-indulgent profile seriously? It’s Hollywood North – completely artificial, raining stupidity, full of whores, and run by something-for-nothing niggers, white niggers, of the worst possible kind.

The Kissinger Imperative, unwinding in a city near you shortly, was to save the empire at all cost, which had run out of physical space for its ponzi demographic drive, and space exploration wasn’t producing results fast enough, for the empire at the time, so SV was hatched, yet another cycloptic head of the hydra, another hammer looking for a nail, you if you do not bow and express proper fealty for a job, to expand the empire.

Outside of several flirtations with greatness, just enough to suck succeeding generations into the war ponzi, the United States has always supplied artificial demand for the empires legacy artificial supply, and it has always been bankrupt, by design, to ensure the chain of command. There is no better delay than a virtual world, complete with a virtual economy of virtual people, normalized from birth to accept it, yuppies on the empire teat.

Hierarchical order is intelligence. That’s their fing assumption, no fing joke, and so long as EVERYONE is included, with an equal opportunity to win the fixed lottery, meaning no one outside of legacy capital, we should all be content little soldiers, right? The empire issues you credit, for a job, you give money back, and repeat the process until death. Works out for everyone.

“Artificial Intelligence is the compliment of Natural Stupidity. Machine Intelligence is the compliment of Computational Stupidity. Artificial Intelligence is the study of ideas, which enables computers to do the things that make people seem intelligent.

Entropy is defined as a Universal Energy, which results from the production of Work in a system. The production of Entropy is irreversible without the use of additional work.

In most organizational systems, the control intelligence is hierarchically distributed from the highest level, which represents the manager, to the lowest level, which represents the worker. On the other hand, the precision, or skill of execution, is distributed in an inverse manner from the bottom to the top as required for the most efficient performance of such complex systems.”

I sh- you not; the yuppies all think their function is to coordinate your economic activity with rules emanating from a computer, from on high, because you are, like them, naturally, too stupid to think for yourself, in a closed-loop, self-fulfilling fantasy, with accounting from Sacramento and law from San Francisco, Disneyland scaled. Have you ever examined the work process at Disneyland?

Half the jobs were ‘created’ in California, and the participation rate continues to fall. Wile E Coyote drops the piano on himself every time, creating the crisis. Keep banking on free pensions and healthcare, whatever you do, earned with fealty to the Star Wars Empire, built by the Asteroid generation that today’s intelligent kids ignore.

Empire lives in the time domain, which is all it can control. First, pop out into the frequency domain, and then pop back into the time domain randomly, by following what you ‘think’ is God, the unknown, until you learn to think for yourself, shedding robots as you go.

What is the individual participation rate in real estate, and where is it coming from? You might want to be moving when I pull this bent out from underneath empire time. Nature is not an evil to be feared, if you can adapt in real time.

Merry Christmas, a mass to celebrate Christ, or Noel in France. The Koreans, and others, are not quite so stupid as you may have been led to believe. They are quite capable of navigation without the petrol dollar or the technology floating it.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:52 | 3093652 NuYawkFrankie
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POST O' THE DAY! deconstruction of SV ;)

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 20:35 | 3093972 CptAwesome
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I think this is what you meant to say


Mon, 12/24/2012 - 12:59 | 3093107 Laddie
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Worse is better, sadly enough. Maybe THEN the Sleeper will awaken, I sure hope so.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:06 | 3093124 Laddie
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This assumes that the elections were on the level, when in fact illegal aliens were voting and voting more than once. The MSM had no interest in that. Secession is the only way to avoid a Yugoslavia or another Civil War.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:13 | 3093145 f16hoser
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I'm Awake! So are more and more of my friends.


Hey Piers Morgan, you faggot, I'm Locked & Loaded

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:14 | 3093151 f16hoser
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Raise Taxes, Grab Guns; I learned this in school. Oh Yeah, 1776!

History is about to be repeated!!!!!!

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:33 | 3093216 TraderTimm
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Sorry, but voting to "throw the bums out" isn't effective anymore. I'd like to state otherwise, but the actual principle of representative government died a long time ago, and has been supplanted by the torrent of money into accounts and the ever-present PACs and lobbying firms.

It seems to me, that there is a headlong rush to divest ourselves of any personal responsibility in general society.

Always look for someone to "blame". It can't possibly be anything we've done! No! Not in the age of navel-gazing, narcisstic social media!

So coupling an out-of-control money monster with the general indifference of self-absorbed people results in exactly what the assorted power networks want - passive populace, and preserved deals and connections that funnel funds precisely where they want.

Either the monster dies from greed, or we'll be indentured servants the rest of our lives.

Oh, and merry <consumer>-mas.



Tue, 12/25/2012 - 12:45 | 3094718 hootowl
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STARVE THE BEAST!!!   Individual taxpayers paying income taxes on their wages is the fraudulent funding of the greatest evil force that ever threatened the planet.  The truth is out there! Look for it.  Compensation received for services rendered is NOT "income". The American IRS is the greatest, most successful terrorist organization the world has ever known.

The greatest threat the American People ever faced is the United States Government.

I am 72 years old and have watched this country degenerate into depravity and moral and cultural darkness all my adult life. I didn't realize what was happening until I was nearly 40 years old.  I have spent the ensuing 30+ years trying to do what I could trying to slow/stop the degradation, including the publication of several books, obviously to no avail.  The forces arrayed against us are too formidable for a common man to deal with.

Those who acquire great wealth and power in a cultural and moral social cesspool are, of course the most morally and corrupt of all citizens.....and in this particular cesspool are the most emulated and admired.

Don't depend on them to clean-up the mess that created and empowered them.  When you look upon the faces of the vast majority of those in political, judicial, and financial power, you are looking upon the well-disguised, well- coiffed faces of evil.

STARVE THE BEAST!  The total collapse of the current, corrupt, political, financial, and judicial system is all that remains.  The only alternate path back to a free country is anarchy, chaos, and blood on the street.  Don't be fooled. The current system is beyond repair.





Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:45 | 3093240 Flakmeister
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Take a guess where is the location in the US where a Mickey D's is furthest away...

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 13:51 | 3093256 MrTouchdown
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"I have suggested we place hard limits for our social programs and entitlements..."


Oh, really Mr. Grant? And just who would enforce such a limit? The gov't? Isn't that exactly the problem we have now? So, your proposal is to do more of what we already know doesn't work? You do a good job of setting up the problem, but your follow-through needs some more attention. Clearly, the "solution" is to just scrap all of it, let taxpayers keep their money, and let individuals setup their own charity based "welfare" programs.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:03 | 3093285 thewhitelion
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"WE start demanding a government that represents our interests and values and morals."

I think many HAVE been doing this, and that's the problem.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 14:47 | 3093405 escargot
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Why is it that I constantly hear about how we "can't afford" social programs and safety nets, but there's no problem coming up with tens of trillions of dollars to save the global banking system?

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:06 | 3093566 stiler
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people don't need to awaken, they need death, burial and resurrection. They are deceived in every aspect of life. First they must see that they are wicked. Not just the sheeple or the politicians and puppeteers. To quote Shakespeare: "All are punish"d!!" (Romeo & Juliet)

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 16:17 | 3093601 windcatcher
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The fiscal cliff situation is the culmination of a well organized and executed plan by the Fascist multinational banksters to destroy our US democracy, economy and national sovereignty.

Rule of Law has been captured. The murdering war criminals are in charge and they are going to murder Americans next. Focus attention on the enemy within government.   

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 17:21 | 3093606 NuYawkFrankie
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RE WE are Responsible.

Sure thing Mr Mark J Grant  - whatever you say. The mutiltaed corpse is the real perp.... right?

And here's something else to chew on:

I am The Walrus - Coo Coo Ca Choo...

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 17:22 | 3093690 Hobie
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The sleepers haven't been prescribed wake-up pills. They will drift along in a slumber, doing what they're told (for their safety).

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 17:39 | 3093720 elementary
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We didn't elect these jackasses. Elections have been fixed for decades. We have a one party system where more than 50% of the voters are too stupid to understand anything other than free stuff.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 19:58 | 3093916 ramacers
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well now. seems we're comin' around to the realization that we've let a parasitic, incestuous, all encompassin' political masterclass (which includes most of the media and many corporate super bureaucrats) grow up right under our noses. we're enslaved. look at history, nothin' new. problem is, eradication generally takes down whole civilizations.

oh well.

Mon, 12/24/2012 - 19:51 | 3093919 seataka
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Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
Robert A. Heinlein

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