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Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds

Why I Am Hopeful

Why am I hopeful? the Status Quo is devolving, and a better way of living lies just beyond the corrupt, wasteful, ruinous consumerist debt/financial tyranny we now inhabit.

Readers often ask me to post something hopeful, and I understand why: doom-and-gloom gets tiresome. Human beings need hope just as they need oxygen, and the destruction of the Status Quo via over-reach and internal contradictions doesn't leave much to be happy about.

The most hopeful thing in my mind is that the Status Quo is devolving from its internal contradictions and excesses. It is a perverse, intensely destructive system with horrific incentives for predation, exploitation, fraud and complicity and few disincentives.

A more human world lies just beyond the edge of the Status Quo.

I know many smart, well-informed people expect the worst once the Status Quo (the Savior State and its corporatocracy partners) devolves, and there is abundant evidence of the ugliness of human nature under duress.

But we should temper this Id ugliness with the stronger impulses of community and compassion. If greed and rapaciousness were the dominant forces within human nature, then the species would have either died out at its own hand or been limited to small savage populations kept in check by the predation of neighboring groups, none of which could expand much because inner conflict would limit their ability to grow.

The remarkable success of humanity as a species is not simply the result of a big brain, opposable thumbs, year-round sex, innovation or even language; it is also the result of social and cultural associations that act as a "network" for storing knowledge and good will--what we call technical and social capital.

I have devoted significant portions of my books Survival+, An Unconventional Guide to Investing in Troubled Times, Resistance, Revolution, Liberation: A Model for Positive Change and Why Things Are Falling Apart and What We Can Do About It to an explanation of how community and self-reliance have atrophied under the relentless expansion of the dominant Savior State and the cartel/crony-capitalist corporatocracy.

The social capital and "return on investment" earned from investing time and energy in community and other social networks has been replaced by a check from the Savior State--a transfer payment that surely beats the troublesome work of investing in community in terms of risk and return.

The net result of the Savior State dominating society and the economy is the rise of a pathological mindset of entitlement and resentment--the two are simply two sides of the same coin. You cannot separate them.

Once self-reliance has been lost, so too has self-confidence been lost, and the Savior State dependent--individual and corporation alike--soon distrusts their ability to function in an open market.

This is a truly sad, self-destructive state of affairs, and deeply, tragically ironic. The calls for "help" quickly lead to dependence on the Savior State, and that dependence quickly breeds complicity and silence in the face of repression and predation by the State and its corporate partners.

In a very real sense, citizens relinquish their citizenship along with their self-reliance and self-worth once they accept dependence on the State.

I often mention that the U.S. has much to learn from so-called Third World countries that are poorer in resources and credit. In many of these countries, the government is the police, the school and the infrastructure of roadways and energy. Many of these countries are systemically corrupt, and the State is the engine of enforcing that corruption.

Rather than something to be embraced and lobbied, involvement with the State is something to be avoided as a risk. In everyday life, people rarely encounter the government except in law enforcement or schooling.

As a result, people depend on their social capital and community for sustenance, support, work and connections.

This is not altruism, it is mutually beneficial.

Once a community dissolves into atomized individuals who each get a payment from the Central State, then they no longer need each other. Rather, other dependents on the State are viewed as competitors for the State's resources.

These atomized, isolated individuals have a perverse relationship with the State and what remains of the community around them: lacking the self-worth earned from work or engagement/investment in a community, then their only outlet for self-identity is consumption: what they wear, eat, drink, etc. as consumers.

This dependence on the State also serves the State's goal, which is a passive, compliant populace of dependents, and distracted, passive workers who pay their taxes. Thus dependence on the State and a hollow consumerism are ontologically bound: one feeds the other.

The era of debt-based consumption as the engine of "growth" and "prosperity" is coming to an end. Adding debt via credit no longer creates growth; it actually takes away from the economy by expanding debt service (interest payments).

The vast majority of developed-world people have had the basics of life since the late 1960s -- transport, food, shelter and utilities. The "growth" since then depended on cheap, abundant oil and a consumerist mentality in which one constantly re-defines and renews one's identity not from social investments in others or the shared community but from consumption.

Not coincidentally, this dominance of consumption as the only metric for "growth" (as opposed to, say, productive activity) has been paralleled by the dominance of the Central State.

The end of credit-based consumption will be a very positive development, as will the devolution of the Savior State. The Savior State is like oil--both are at their peaks and are starting their inevitable slide down the S-curve. The world they created was not as positive for human fulfillment and happiness as we have been told.

Indeed, study after study has found that people with the basics for life, a higher purpose that requires sacrifice and a tight-knit community are far and away happier than isolated, atomized, insecure consumers, regardless of their wealth and consumption.

This potential to re-humanize our economy is why I am hopeful.

Longtime reader/correspondent Brad L. offered an insightful commentary on why he remains hopeful.

I see the potential for a discontinuous plunge into chaos driven by unsustainable debt every time I read a macroeconomic analysis. But "on the ground" in my own life, I see something different. Every day, in millions of unheralded ways, I see individuals making incremental changes in the direction of sustainability. There are twice the number of farmers' markets that there were 10 years ago, largely because the number of farmers is actually rising for the first time in modern American history. My buddy who owns an electric bike shop can't keep them in stock, because people are dumping their second cars in favor of e-bikes. There's more solar on rooftops every week in my little Tempe suburb. Etc. etc. etc.


It adds up to "damping the discontinuity," and perhaps explains why we are six years into fearing a plunge into horror that never quite seems to materialize. The better society that you envision - I often think as I read your great essays - may be quietly building itself under all of our noses.


The obvious question, of course, is will it happen fast enough? But I am very much an evolutionary theorist. Unlike Mencken, I don't see boobus Americanus when I look around me, tempting as that dismissal may be. The deeper truth about even the most pathetic Americans is that, like all human beings, they are the end product of 250,000 years of homo sapiens selecting for survival and reproduction, which means selecting for problem-solving.


And I dispute the notion that the "default" way to solve the survival-reproduction problem is to kill or otherwise tear communities apart. At a deep level, we understand that groups and tribes survive more readily - and allow us to mate and raise young more successfully-- than do individuals. I am confident that the emerging solutions will be rooted in that understanding.


Should the manifesting of problems pick up speed, I guarantee that this generalized, widespread, difficult-to-track-or-quantify problem-solving will speed up accordingly. I am confident that the former won't outpace the later to any vast degree. Ultimately, I admit, that's just a guess, but there is a lot of history behind that guess.


I know the numbers you have cited of the debt that's been taken on to support the Status Quo over the past four years ($6 trillion in new Federal debt plus the $7.7 trillion bailout of the banks) don't come close to being sustainable, and suggest serious, rapid, negative change. But a brilliant thinker once remarked that "Food is wealth, health is wealth, energy is wealth; all else is illusion."


So if the first thing that changes is the internalization of this ethic, the remainder of the changes won't be so difficult. Big if. Possible, though, because it will become necessary. Maybe the best example of "problem solving" that I cited earlier will be the revamping of problematic values...


Also - a huge, overlooked positive enjoyed by Americans is low population density amid vast tracts of arable land in a temperate climate. If sufficient food is the real basis for wealth, we'll need to seriously screw up - via nuclear war that spreads within our borders, for example - to experience the loss of anything we truly need. Any "suffering" rooted in the loss of cheap Chinese crap does not, I think, deserve to the labeled as such, and perhaps many people will come to realize this.


I guess I'll stay hopeful until forced to become otherwise. Have not been forced yet.

Thank you, Dan and Brad for these contributions. I will close this Christmas entry with two favorite quotes:

From the poet Rumi: Where there is ruin, there is hope for treasures.

From Leonardo Da Vinci (via Kathy K.):

Don’t underestimate this idea of mine, which calls to mind that it would not be too much of an effort to pause sometimes to look into these stains on walls, the ashes from the fire, the clouds, the mud, or other similar places. If these are well contemplated, you will find fantastic inventions that awaken the genius of the painter to new inventions, such as compositions of battles, animals, and men, as well as diverse composition of landscapes, and monstrous things, as devils and the like. These will do you well because they will awaken genius with this jumble of things.

Best wishes to you for a safe and happy holiday.


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Tue, 12/25/2012 - 17:10 | 3095202 Muppet of the U...
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They will awaken genius in some.  Most everyone?  Likely no.  The only hope for this future generation is if all the old shits finally crap out and die.  The older generation of loser boomers are dead weight upon us, and they have signed over the younger generation to a life of poverty in oblivion.  In other words, genius perhaps in the young, some of them.  But what we need is for everyone to wake, to prevent the world wide slavery that is coming.  & until the old are wiped clean from the earth, we will never have growth.

I understand the notion of finding the good in a bad situation.  But until people become downright loathsome and indignant toward this entire situation, it will only get worse.  The time for  looking on the bright side is long over.  The only solution, in my mind, is a final one for those who would be slaves, and those who would be slavers.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 17:21 | 3095214 Muppet of the U...
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In summation.  To be hopeful of a good outcome, is to pretend that muppets are people.  The weak and stupid will always choose to be slaves.  It is exactly why Jesus told Paul to wipe out city after city.  It is exactly why the Bible says God came down and wiped out the people.  It is clear when the Bible says, Jesus told his people to live hot or cold.  Translate this into whatever literal depiction you want- death is coming for this whole society, any only those who can "see", know this.  Everyone else, is operating on windows 95, and they simply can't, "crunch the data".

Someone said this reminded them of the world ending.

I think this is simply the end of humanity.  The sad part of it isn't that the miserable pieces of shit that pretend they are human are going to die.

It's that they are going to go silently.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 17:28 | 3095225 StychoKiller
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There is much cynicism on ZeroHedge, there is also much pessimism, but damn few Nihilists, such as yerself.  If yer life is truly that dark, then why continue to live?  I have many things in my mind that are STILL worth fighting for, do you?

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 17:37 | 3095238 Yen Cross
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 Can we call it [ Z/H isms]?   I like ism's. Ism's are pretentious.  The synergism of Congress is non existent!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 17:53 | 3095252 Muppet of the U...
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I am no nihilist.  Only a realist.  I read people, and they tell me what will happen as if they were playing out a hand of cards.

I will say however: There is something odd that exists between generations.  High school is like a fractal of life; a segregation exists between age, and classes.  So the older will always be at odds with the young.  But like the transference of the old into nursing homes, this new generation will be more resentful and angry toward their elders as we head into the fall.  They will be looking for answers, and from personal experience, they listen to the young (like them) much more than the old.  There seems to have been a great failure between the old and the young, so much so that each fractal generation will continue expanding in this realm.  Eventually the disunity the Illuminati sought to bring between family, will result in unity by generation.  & that, is one of the only things that brings me hope. & unity by generation, is not only stronger than family, but the only thing that will progress man beyond self-destruction and competitive destruction.

One of the other points of hope: despite the general retardation that seems widespread across all peoples, ages, and classes, there is one thing that unites the young more than anything else.  & that is the internet.  That is the only thing the young rally behind.  Tell them to be stupid and kill themselves, sure they are all about it.  But tell them the internet is losing its freedoms?  & for some reason they move.  & as the collapse grows, so too will their unity around the internet.

But that is not to say I am hopeful.  Even if the muppets do rally and fight off evil, it will come again due to their stupidity.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 17:54 | 3095267 RockyRacoon
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You started off wanting to kill all the "old people", whom you seem to blame for all the world's ills.  I'm afraid that your fractal analogy applies to all age groups and social strata.  It's not all horizontal and separated by age.  Some of the fractal nature is vertical. 

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 17:57 | 3095269 Yen Cross
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I think Rocky was pretty impressive/ +1

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 17:58 | 3095273 Muppet of the U...
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I think you are old and stupid.  & I think you are biased.  In fact, I know this.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 18:08 | 3095282 Yen Cross
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 Old and Stupid? LMAO/  I might be a little biased.  You are "generally" a respectful young Man. I can tell by your reply.

  Since we have moved past presumptions, I feel compelled to ask you why that you conclude I'm biased? Are you a History Major doing post graduate work?

  It wasn't me that downvoted you/ FYI

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 22:13 | 3095553 WonderDawg
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I downvoted his ass.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 22:33 | 3095576 Imminent Crucible
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@Muppet: "Jesus told Paul to wipe out city after city"

Chapter and verse, please. I'm thinking you just spout this rubbish because you kinda, sorta heard a little bit of New Testament while you snoozed through Sunday School.  I frankly don't believe that's in the Bible, especially since Jesus was dead before Paul even came down from Tarsus to flog a few Jesus People into prison.

Oh, wait--I'm wrong. It's right there in II Testicles 13:4, after the place where Buddha said, "Hatred does not cease by hatred, but only by genocide and mass slaughter; this is the eternal rule. If the mass of people will not sit under the Bodhi tree and imbibe wisdom, kill the fuckers. All of them."

If you come down from your Magic Bong ride someday, let's talk about why Old People Gotta Die. You remind me of Bill Clinton and his "Bridge to the 21st Century" idiocy. We were going to get to the 21st Century no matter how long of a hard-on Billy could put out there.


Wed, 12/26/2012 - 03:16 | 3095756 Element
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So now you want to get all technical and bring facts into it - just typical!! Hurry up and die already you old farts so ignorant asses are free to talk pure crap, without being constantly required to make sense! So damn sick of your contiguous logic and civil courtesy schtick!

Scheech! ...only on the internet!!!

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 04:02 | 3095777 Lore
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Muppet of the U needs to be reminded that EVERY GENERATION FEELS EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. The 'Savior State' is well aware, having spent billions over the years understanding the formulas that allow it to reinvent itself in a way that allows the next batch of chumps to feel that their utopian ideal is a little more achievable and foolproof than the last, COURTESY OF THE STATE.

From the article: "The end of credit-based consumption will be a very positive development, as will the devolution of the Savior State. The Savior State is like oil--both are at their peaks and are starting their inevitable slide down the S-curve. The world they created was not as positive for human fulfillment and happiness as we have been told."

Lo and behold, what do we see rolled out by the United Nations (in the 21st century, a manifest symbol of globalist statehood) over the last 20 years but "Sustainability" Agenda 21, cleverly crafted to hijack the movement against old debt-based consumerist oligarchic collectivism and roll out the new flavor of "Savior State," ostensibly to "save the planet."

(The scope of the Global Warming narrative is significant for it hints at the scale of economic dislocation anticipated by UN think tanks in their pursuit of a size-compatible smokescreen.)


Thu, 12/27/2012 - 02:25 | 3098280 mkkby
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Hey, Yen.  Arguing with the mentally ill won't get you anywhere.  Logic can't penetrate the psychosis.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:11 | 3095418 buzzsaw99
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my fil is 75 years old. he has more knowledge in his pinky finger than you have in your whole worthless brain. he could doubtless kick your ass in ANY system put in place even today. he could out work you, out-produce you, out earn you, and out fight you, of that I have no doubt. piss off you whiny little bitchez.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:33 | 3095441 Yen Cross
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Thu, 12/27/2012 - 02:55 | 3098296 mkkby
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Let's hear from some young people who are actually working hard and saving for a better future.  Instead of these whining pussies who are angry that mom doesn't nurse them any more.

I have a friend who got kicked out of his parents house at age 18.  He took low paying hard physical work, and did it better than anyone else.  That was NOTICED and he steadily moved up to VP level.  It took many years.  He didn't buy iShit or other toys.  He avoided debt.  In 15 years he paid off his house, and with a wife that stayed home raising NICE, WELL BEHAVED kids.

All you pussies can do that too.  But you tell yourself you're too good for hard work.  So you pout in front of the TV and blame others.  Pitiful.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 02:58 | 3095750 TwoShortPlanks
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What's wrong Muppet, get kicked off one of the Counter Strike servers?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:32 | 3096022 BeetleBailey
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Let me be clear.

Fuck you.

You sound like Barry O'Cuntus O'Blamer. Like the young are fiscally responsible and smart. What a fucking hoot.

Again. Fuck You.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 17:57 | 3095271 Muppet of the U...
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I know.  What I'm saying is the young will be a shitload more pissed off, and they have the internet this time, and it is the only thing these idiots really care about.

All I said is that most of the old are responsible for fucking over the young.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 18:05 | 3095277 RockyRacoon
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Join the Chorus of Man, my friend.   If you have a bias against the old then confirmation of that is in abundance.  The "old" are not monolithic and deliberately out for the destruction of the "young".  Wish it were that simple.  This tool you speak of, the Internet, was developed by the "old" and freely given.  So, blaming the old for problems, and assuming that the young will wield that tool to destroy any other group, is saying that we have sewn the seeds of our own destruction.  And you could very well be right.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 18:13 | 3095290 Yen Cross
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 Rocky we have clear case of " Children of The Corn" syndrome. When we were kids we had "Tonka Toys" and "Phone Booths".

  We got are asses kicked for mouthing off! We respected our elders, and realized nothing comes for free!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 18:41 | 3095314 SilverDOG
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So then wtf did you accomplish?



Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:44 | 3095393 Yen Cross
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Absolutely NOTHING! I got no reply to my question?(from your peer above^)  I'll let you know ASAP? Inquiring minds want to know.<>

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:55 | 3095468 lakecity55
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Methinks some of our posters have just not lived long enough to see with enough experience.

I too was once full of Hell-raiser.

They will gain experience.

Learn as much as you can, grasshoppers. Never Stop!

I spend 2 hours a day in  study, at 60!

Faithfulness is Success.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:02 | 3095320 I am on to you
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Well,ill admit,im old!

So old i remember this from an other time,when the young was rebelions,the sixtys,we had all,we thought ,but it was coopted,by the industry,so it went slowly into it self!


My point is:Do You have the internet,i referer to what you say,The Young have the Internet,honestly,i think the Internet have You!


The Internet didnt invent it self,somebody did,and they control it,and whom is there.

Not only you in person, but You as the group,as i se it you wont be abel to loose a fart,without being registred,even the  smell wil be registred!


And The old are responsible for fucking over the young,why,cause we build the schools for you,8 hours bendéd over the Bricks pr day,tons of them,the asfalt you drive on everyday,the Hospital you enter when you are sick,no a few olds as you call us ,are responsible yes,but these olds have nothing to do with the majority,we loved music and smoked a good joint,you can thank us for the music.

We all read people,smotimes with succes,others,without!


I which,that for your generation sake,there will be better times up ahead.

Optimist,or not,it dont look good,but all the good luck anyway,your gona need it.

PS,as i recall it,The Fab four,not The Liverpools,but the Goldman Sachs,wasnt they young people?

The ones sitting at the SEC-I dont recall this, i dont recall that,it wasnt me,it was him,lur if they wasnt,young!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 18:51 | 3095322 Stoploss
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The only person that fucked you over was your daddy, if you even know who he is.

He robbed you of ABILITY. That is his fault, no one elses, so blame him.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:01 | 3095338 UNCOMPROMISED

I liked your initial post but you lack the backbone to really follow through on your writing.

"What I'm saying is the young will be a shitload more pissed off, and they have the internet this time, and it is the only thing these idiots really care about."

The young will arm themselves with their favorite iTool and inflict holy iHell upon their readership. The thought of this makes me shiver because it's going to make all the old people die.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:02 | 3095408 Yen Cross
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 A Feline Avatar looking for follow through?  Thats the oxymoron of 2013 Cat Herding!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 23:15 | 3095622 Imminent Crucible
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That darn cat said: The thought of this makes me shiver because it's going to make all the old people die.

It's nothing to get all worked up about. It's the way God designed the world: He makes the young people so obnoxious that, when the time comes, the old people are happy to croak off and get out of here to someplace where they don't have iCrap and hippety-hop music.

All things must pass. Even George Harrison, more's the pity.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 08:58 | 3095890 Tango in the Blight
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My parents, both past their 70s, busy themselves with iCrap and hippety-hop music (whatever that is). I don't.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:07 | 3095346 r3phl0x
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Welcome to Nature:

Old Fucks Young. Strong Fucks Weak. Rich Fucks Poor. Deceptive Fucks Naive. Fast Fucks Slow. Large Fucks Small. Man Fucks Woman. Woman Fucks Man. White Fucks Black.  Black Fucks White. Yellow Fucks Yellow. And on and on and on.

Happy Holidays ZH!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:38 | 3095447 GubbermintWorker
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You little whippersnapper! You're going to be......old one of these days!  If you make it that long, which is questionable.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 21:42 | 3095513 TheObsoleteMan
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I'll not stoop to calling you names. Allow me to tell you about the seniors I KNOW. They have worked and sacrificed all of their lives, what they have, they earned the honest way. A few of my friends have been wiped out of much of a lifetimes worth of savings because of this fraud system. They don't whine and cry about it, they know it is out of their hands now {literally}. They get along the best they can. Others are now suffering the delayed effects of their former occupations; one can barely get around, while another has COPD and needs oxygen {he was a welder}. Others {like myself} have lost our better halves, after many years of happy marriage. We get lonely, so we go down to the VFW or American Legion and have a few beers. The kids come around when they can {they are busier than even my generation was, and trust me, we were busy!}. We volunteer for various charitable organizations to still feel useful.

GETTING OLD ISN'T FOR SISSIES! Nobody I know has ever intentionally hurt anybody, we just lived our lives as best as we could. The healthcare system is bleeding us dry. We are on fixed incomes and living isn't as easy as it was in our working years. We didn't create this system, hell I didn't want it in the first place, but it was forced on us, just like it has been on everybody else. No, I don't belong to AARP. They don't represent seniors, they represent their political agenda, screw 'em. If you are lucky, you too will be an old fart one day. Just keep opening your eyes every morning, and it will happen all by itself. ENJOY YOUR YOUTH! If you do nothing else. You don't get a second chance at it, once it is gone, it's gone. You are much too bitter for your age, you should be making a difference where you can. Sorry you feel like you have to blame us, it is misplaced. Sure, there are some seniors who are at a fault, but you could say the same for anyone in any age group. Take care, and Merry Christmas. I hope you had a happy one, and had the  good fortune of spending it with those you love. Signed-An Old Timer.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:15 | 3096293 Magically Delicious
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This is my first post here and I'd like to thank you for your positive message.  I'm 27, often too bitter/pessimistic, and often lapse into unfairly resenting the old-timers.  The disconnect between older and younger in this country seems to exist due to narcissism and a lack of empathy;  neither side of the age spectrum seems to understand how tough things are getting for the other side.  I know tons of "spoiled boomers" who've had their 401ks wiped out, and tons of "lazy entitled millenials" who "won't get a job" because they can't find any. Why are we insulting each other instead of educating each other and fighting the true criminals together?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 16:11 | 3096966 RockyRacoon
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Welcome to the madhouse.  It's refreshing to see that an education was not wasted on you.  You can actually spell and punctuate!  Congrats.  Your invitation to join forces is what is needed, not the generational and partisan divides that the Powers would like to engender.   Hope to see you post more comments.


Tue, 12/25/2012 - 23:39 | 3095641 delacroix
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I'm a boomer, and I doubt my kids would ever turn against me, since they know they are the most important thing in my life, and I live frugally, so I can help them out and leave them a nest egg, to fall back on if they need it. a social security check, would just add to my efforts in that direction. what else is there, coke and hookers?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 03:22 | 3095761 Element
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Most of the older are responsible for you even existing, and also for keeping you alive for so long, and building a world your snotty worthless little butt could get ample in.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 18:56 | 3095328 SilverDOG
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The wake of creative destruction, is all that will remain, after the Boomers cease to exist.

The overlaying dependency spawned, has ramifications beyond majorities cognitive ability.

Collective regression should be admitted, unless one refuses, thus succumbs unto.

This shall gain its peak, as above mentioned, emotionally not rationally, choose.

Results as planned, will render any who have, or do see through and beyond the proverbial wooled eyes, obsolete. 




Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:41 | 3095392 hootowl
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Tue, 12/25/2012 - 22:47 | 3095588 RockyRacoon
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Uh, you talkin' to me? Try that in regular prose and we might have a discussion.  I didn't understand Ferlinghetti nor Ginsberg all that well in my youth.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 01:05 | 3095694 Dr. Sandi
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Ferlinghetti is a pasta dish they eat in the South.

Ginsberg is one of those fake imported beers.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 07:59 | 3095859 Mike in GA
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Reads more like the smoking grade of Hopium!

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 16:12 | 3096973 RockyRacoon
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You'll get no argument from me!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 18:02 | 3095278 Yen Cross
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Always respect people for who they are. Not age, gender,profession, Ect...  You become what you chose to surround yourself with.

  If you want to be a SQUID, the Squidlets you surround yourself with, will make that happen!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:25 | 3095367 auric1234
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LOL I was 16 once, too. And I had a lot of crazy thoughts, but nothings like this.

Worry not, you'll grow up. And you'll eventually take pride in caring for your elders.


Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:51 | 3095399 Yen Cross
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Right of passage and mortality. I vividly remember telling my parents how smart I was. I many cases I was, but I didn't know how to exploit or use those ideas. My parents grounded me. My father is a giant prick, and I feel for a lot of these kids. I used his weaknesses to be a better man. I also learned from his strengths.

 My Mother , God Bless her soul, is amazing. I have the best Mother on planet Earth!

  Asian and Indian cultures deeply respect their elders, based on my travels...

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 21:17 | 3095491 bunnyswanson
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There has been only one way to pull the obvious Transfer of Wealth out of the US housing industry/middle class, and that is to not hit the "movers and shakers" (affluent, educated, in positions of influence) until the very last moment.  In the meantime, these same people have their jobs, are getting perks = are given the opportunity to gain wealth (during the transfer) and that keeps them pacified, for now.  When the SHTF, they will be the last domino to fall and, as designed, it will be too late to reverse the trend, to object to the politicians, it will be too late for all of us.

And that is why there is so much anger, not only of the young but the "new poor" as both are facing a dismal future if not complete financial ruin.  Wolfe Blitzer tells us economy is improving, jobs are coming back and people are ~shopping~ so "why are we whining?" 

Falling for this scheme will prove in the end that even the brightest financial minds, including Max Keiser and the Tylers, are fools for money.

Agenda 21 is moving in, slowing creeping into small communites all over America and taking inventory.  The debt will not be forgiven.  There will be a hefty price to pay ... so, enjoy it while it lasts because it is truly too good to be true.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 23:04 | 3095611 MrTouchdown
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"I read people, and they tell me what will happen as if they were playing out a hand of cards."


Could also be written:


"I make assumptions and then revel in my confirmation bias while wearing a sweater and girl pants in the summer; writing poetry, listening to awful music and hoping girls will like me because I look like one."


There, fixed it for you! Now go get a job. Douche.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 09:22 | 3095923 shovelhead
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Still alive because there are cute kitties to be run over on Christmas Day.

Holidays are special days to spread joy and kitty guts.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 17:38 | 3095239 AgShaman
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Oh I get it.....the Bible told you so

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 18:29 | 3095303 Snidley Whipsnae
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Puppet of the U...
Why sugar coat it? lol

Yeah, the old folks are to blame for all the worlds ills... and you wouldn't be here to observe if you didn't have some parents somewhere.

A paradox, eh?

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:57 | 3095404 Yen Cross
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 That was a really good post Snidley. +1

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 09:38 | 3095945 Svendblaaskaeg
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He could be a Self-Made Man?

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:44 | 3095366 IamtheREALmario
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Maybe I am stupid for preferring the life of a slave to a slaver... if those are the only two choices. In some ways it provides much greater freedom... and it feels better on the inside.

I do believe that the greatest hope for the human race in the near term is the young. However, it mystifies me how such evil as exists today came into being and continues on, growing and growing. I doubt that the young are uncorruptable. There will be Star-Bellied Sneetches aplenty, who feel as today's elitists (they do not appear to be elite or a "gift to humanity" as THEY believe) always fearful and out of control.

A fan of Machiavelli, but not what he teaches. Why is it that his teaching have maintained such popularity? It is a road to the devolution of society.

Maybe it is related to a flaw, that "most" people cannot conceive of large numbers and so those with an inclination to change things are always trying to simplify the equation to yield a smaller and manageable number. Maybe this is only a disease of the old. I doubt it. Maybe it is the source of your fatalism?

Yeah, just another old guy.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 23:01 | 3095607 Go Tribe
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Every day there are people around you doing good for other people, some doing truly unselfish things.  See if you can see them.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 01:02 | 3095691 Dr. Sandi
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The sad part of it isn't that the miserable pieces of shit that pretend they are human are going to die.

It's that they are going to go silently.

Hey pissant, I'm taking you with me when I go.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 17:27 | 3095223 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Overpaid loser boomers and geezers on disability and social security are the majority of the people that spend money at the store I work my dead end job at though.

Young people just don't have the purchasing power needed to keep me employed.  I say we stick with the current system for the time being.  My boomer landlord doesn't like it when I'm late with the rent.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:05 | 3095413 JR
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The propagandists for the banker economy are trying to squeeze the last drop of value from 85,000,000 baby boomers. And you bought into the lie.

What you’re really saying is that you just hate it that you have to work and because your employer is a baby boomer, somewhere between age 48 to 66, you want to bite the hand that feeds you. But unless I’m mistaken, your displeasure is not limited to baby boomers but suggests that you’d bite any hand that feeds you, including those terrible customers that enable you to have the job.

What you really want, I bet, is to sit back and vote yourself someone else’s property.

No doubt you are one of America’s 95 million millennial members, born from 1982 to 2002, two-fifths of whom are nonwhite, 60 percent of whom voted for Obama – with more than 90 percent of younger blacks and nearly three-fourths of younger Hispanics giving Obama their votes.

The baby boomers have been demonized by the MSM for being predominantly white, of course, to enable you and yours to feel virtuous I suppose while voting yourself the little bit of property they may have squirreled away for their coming old age. Lenin did the same to the “kulaks” in Russia before instigating the mob to drive them naked from their farms into the tundra.

No doubt this is why Romney carried 61 percent of white seniors and “near-retirement” whites ages 45-64; they hoped apparently to stop your vote from taking their property.

The bankers, of course, who pushed for the 1965 US Immigration Act, are salivating at the prospect of using racism and the worthless to enslave the worthwhile. You’re so easy to fool, you see.

Or as William Frey, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution – a Goldman Sachs front – defined it for the MSM: “These are the major drivers of the future demography of the country and the future division of the country -- this diverse growing millennial population versus the boomers who are moving into their senior years, largely white, and who have a ... view of America that is very different from the younger populations.”

Well, you and Frey got your man – Obama. The noblest of socialist thieves, Obama captured a combined 80 percent vote of America’s minorities – who  represented a record 28 percent of voters. Romney, lost, capturing 59 percent of the white vote.

But it’s another question whether you and Frey and Obama and the bankers will get all the property of those Americans 48 and older. You see, gun sales, post election, are running at record highs…

If these descriptions do not apply to you, then one wonders what your reason is for carrying their message.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 21:04 | 3095450 Yen Cross
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This game rivals the Estate Tax redistribution J.R./ It's Venezuelan politics!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 21:02 | 3095469 Alcoholic Nativ...
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I'm white and I am not an Obama supporter man, you are way off.  You actually think Obama is a socialist?  talk about being easily fooled, you sound about as dumb as an actual Obama supporter.  I wasn't carrying any message but saying that even us low wage workers are relient on the welfare state for our livlihood even though we don't directly get checks every month.



Tue, 12/25/2012 - 21:14 | 3095488 NoDebt
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Exactly.  You see the problem with that?

The real question is.... do you like it that way? 

If you do, you'll find few agreeing with you on this board.  If you would prefer more economic freedom as a valid alternative for you and your family you will probably find many like-minded people here.

If there is absolutely no other alternative, you take the government check.  Nobody here wants others to freeze or starve to death.  But I would consider a government hand-out the absolute LAST resort.  They always want something from you in return for that check.  I'll trade labor for a check.  I won't trade freedom for it.


Tue, 12/25/2012 - 21:29 | 3095508 Alcoholic Nativ...
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I do, I'm not a fan of the status quo, but that is just the reality of the economy as it is today as far as I can tell.  That's all I was hinting at, I didn't mean for it to get taken as a jab against white property owners or whatever the hell that guy was suggesting above.


Tue, 12/25/2012 - 21:51 | 3095532 Yen Cross
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 You are exactly/prime example of (DoucheBag ness)  Get of the couch and sell something you pussy! Get an education, and meet a nice girl with values in the "PROCESS"  Bitch!

  I'm typing this shit on a 4 inch, touch screen/ Samsung S3 Bitchez. Fuck APPL!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 21:54 | 3095534 fattail
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The boomers have been electing the same group of criminals to office for the last 40 years, who have not and will not address the entitlement time bomb  and whose only solution is to borrow more money to pay off the oldest most reliable voting blocks.

The boomers had the power to fix these problems years ago, but now only want to continue the facade until they can get theirs from the following generations.


fuck them.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 22:58 | 3095602 RockyRacoon
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You are implying then that you did not vote.  Had you voted, you would have been electing the same "group of criminals" as anyone else.  Not voting is fine, don't get me wrong.  I'm wondering what your solution would have been 40 years ago.  Let me guess.  Demonstrate and riot in the streets protesting illegal and immoral wars.  Tuning out and turning on, and turning your back on "the establishment".  Ranting about how we would not be like our parents and hating their standards.  Getting yourself shot up at Kent State.  Well, we did all that, and more, and it didn't work, so now it's our fault.  The only thing we didn't do was burn everything to the ground.  Okay, fine.  Now get your boney young ass out there and give it a whirl.  Best of luck.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 09:27 | 3095926 SelfGov
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"Well, we did all that, and more, and it didn't work, so now it's our fault."

Yes the blame now lands squarely at the feet of the generation saw the problem, protested the problem and then gave up and fell in line once they saw that change was too inconvenient.

The system has been obviously fucked since the Kent State incident.

Anybody who has worked to support the Status Quo since then is guilty, no matter their motives. You should have burnt it all to the ground.

Where your generation failed, hopefully another succeeds.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:26 | 3096338 Imminent Crucible
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You should have burnt it all to the ground.  Where your generation failed, hopefully another succeeds.

I have every reason to believe that the current younger generation will succeed in burning it all to the ground. Destroying comes easy; the passion to smash things is inborn everywhere, especially among young men who have not yet learned how hard is the work of building, and more so re-building.

A building that took a year of labor by countless skilled tradesman can be brought down by one oaf with a wrecking-ball in an hour.  I'm all in favor of dismantling the current corrupt and unsustainable system, but you'd better have a blueprint ready for something more than another air castle.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 16:14 | 3096985 RockyRacoon
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"You should have burnt it all to the ground."

Sure.  And then you would have been blaming us for that.  When does the blame stop and action begin?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 09:21 | 3095919 SelfGov
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Want to know who to blame?

Mention the name Jimmy Carter. Those that sneer are the guilty.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 02:23 | 3095739 Freddie
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The 2012 election was rigged. 2008 was probably also rigged.  Romney knows it because he and Rove did the exact same thing in the primaries to Santorum.  Obama had late night voting, illegals, multiple voting and you name it in the swing states.   The Republicans were silent.  So Romney probably won the election if there was not massive fraud.

The younger people and any older people who voted for O have no clue.  They want a freebie socialist police state.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 09:29 | 3095933 SelfGov
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The words, "election," and, "rigged," are damn near synonyms. You know this, right? Why play a rigged game?

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:41 | 3095448 IamtheREALmario
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Coming out of college I got a job that would pay me less than would support me. It was 1980. I lived with my parents for a year and a half and then shared rent on a small house with two (sometimes 3) other guys. Was able to eventually save some money and got married.

The good thing was that we came out of the early 80s into the PC computer boom, then the telecommunications boom and manufacturing here in the US was smoking. Sure, the Japanese were dominating the consumer electronics market and we were farming our technology out to the 4 Tigers, but US manufacturing kept going, even when the government and Wall Street were crying the same blues that they cry today ... and corruption was as rampant then as it is today, only slower.

Then, after the telecom boom, it was almost as if someone pulled a switch. There was a conscious effort to develop China into a manufacturing power and to kill US manufacturing ... but it really started in about 1995. After that we got soft=fake booms (Dotcom 1.0, the housing boom and now Dotcom 2.0). The US government and Wall Street made it not possible to economically grow manufacturing here. Taxes, regulation, laws, rules ... tons of nonproductive people that had to be supported by law made labor arbitrage with China the only way to go. Tell me it was not planned.

Now they tell us that we lack the skills to do the things we once did here. Maybe the young can't because they have not been taught, but the old suckers can still do it. IMO though it has been a multi-administration effort to weaken Americans so that it is easier for the banks and government to enslave us.

I have hope. The young are smarter than I am ... if not experience enough to know when they have been lied to and may be making decisions based on false assumptions. If you want good jobs then get the government monkey off your back and start creating value from labor, instead of selling labor arbitraged crap from China, printing money and sucking money via parasitic practices (banking, insurance, legal, regulatory, war, government, unjustified price-inflation, advertising). Make something people or this country will need 5 years from now.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:14 | 3096291 e-recep
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i agree with all that but getting rid of the parasitic government? easier said than done methinks. i don't see a way out other than waiting till the whole empire implodes to non-existence.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 17:07 | 3097173 SpykerSpeed
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I graduated in 2008, still scraping by supporting myself and no-one else.  The solution to government-enforced stagnation is Bitcoin.  I know a lot of people here are skeptical of it, but please hear me out.  Bitcoin has the qualities of a nearly-perfect money.  It has all of the advantages of gold, and some added qualities that make it even better than gold.  The rate of adoption of Bitcoin by online merchants is rising fast in the last year.  Bitcoin enables anonymity, avoidance of taxes (through cryptography), a currency that cannot be inflated, bank accounts that cannot be frozen, and sending money to someone anywhere in the world (at any time) is as easy as sending an email.  In fact, Bitcoin is bigger than email.  It's as-big as the Internet itself.  It's the ultimate endgame for governments across the world.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 21:51 | 3095529 TheObsoleteMan
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You are clueless. You obviously have no idea that disability and Social Security pays. It is peanuts {as it should be. it there is going to be any at all}. It is not enough of itself for some senior with health problems to "live the life of Riley", most of it goes to pay the co-pays and other expenses medicaid/medicare doesn't cover. Then there are the other expenses we all have. The seniors you see, are the ones who saved, were lucky with their health, and invested in hard assets that pay an income. That is only about a third of us. The rest have a daily struggle to just get by another day.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:34 | 3096364 Magically Delicious
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Keep in mind that your (very correct) perspective doesn't necessarily apply to every region of the country.  Here in the DC area, many older boomers live high on the hog thanks to their obscenely-generous government pensions.  

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 22:55 | 3095597 klockwerks
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Change jobs

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 17:44 | 3095254 ball-and-chain
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I'm hopeful.

The economic center cannot hold.

Change is on the way.

It's gonna suck.  Change always sucks.

But perhaps what is created will be better.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 17:21 | 3095218 ramacers
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Thanx Tyler for this glimmer on this Christmas Day.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:47 | 3095459 lakecity55
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Tue, 12/25/2012 - 17:29 | 3095229 Sanksion
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I'm hopeful because I'm in one piece and short; Yes, I'm living in a world of shit, but I'm alive, and I'm not afraid.


Joyeux Noel !! 

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 17:48 | 3095258 Treeplanter
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Tue, 12/25/2012 - 18:28 | 3095301 Uncle Remus
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Short as in 2-digit midget?

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:35 | 3095445 delacroix
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sanksion,  theres gotta be a pony in here somewhere.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 17:51 | 3095263 giorgioorwell
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Thank you Charles for this beacon of hope on Christmas Day...sure, the transition phase "to whatever is next" might get a little ugly in places (some far more than others), but without more of this kind of realistic optimism there isn't anyone to rebuild.  

The wait is excrutiating though!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 17:52 | 3095265 cynicalskeptic
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When individuals help other individuals - alone or as a group - those receiving the help are usually held to SOME 'standard'.  Mutual aid societies in the 1800's would provide for fellow members who were hurt or disabled BUT not if they were injured while drunk or otherwise behaving irresponsibility.  The problem with a government run aid  system is that those administering such programs are too often divorced from those receiving the aid - whiel many deserve help, others will - and DO - 'game' the system.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 18:12 | 3095285 stiler
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Leonardo's hope extended that far and no further. He also made caricatures of people, calling them 'bags for food and nothing more'. It wasn't until the King of France discovered his genius; Francis I, welcomed da Vinci to France to spend the rest of his days and it is said that Leonardo there saw his own sin and received the Saviour of the world into his heart. Is there a place in yours for Christ? 


Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:59 | 3095453 lakecity55
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If we follow Christ's example, we win.

He had no problem taking on TPTB or the moneychangers.

There are more of us with morals than there are sociopaths.

The situation will equalize.

Keep stackin.

Clean your rifle once/week. That's what your forefathers did.

And, they read the Bible. You are free, however, to choose any Higher Power you wish.* That was one of our gifts! No mandated State Religion. Men of Good Will, Unite!

*(and that guy's HP was a tree! It worked for him!).


Wed, 12/26/2012 - 04:06 | 3095792 Element
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I'll fore-go the holy-books, don't need celestial control or pre-thinking trainer-wheels from 'prophets' and 'priests', mostly because I'm not out of control, lost, nor unable to respond and behave myself.

Plus all the honest books and gurus just level with you straight-up and tell you they can't help in any way, because you need to know yourself so that you will be your own guide, because that's the only guiding-light that works, or will be with you to light the way when the chips are down.

Plus I could write a holy book if I wanted to, as there's not a lot to it and at least mine would be accurate, truthful, contemporary and relevant. But unfortunately, it also wouldn't help anyone in the slightest for the same reasons. More likely it'd be completely misunderstood by several sects of deluded morons and be manipulated and twisted into a sick violent warped fantasy in order to precipitate WW5.

Best just leave it alone.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 09:38 | 3095943 Zero-risk bias
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“Best just leave it alone.”

It's highly likely you know better, but I think you should go for it. Maybe some things are inherintly dangerous due to the physicality of the idea, genetics, subatomic energy generation, bio-warefare, but broadly, if it promotes the idea of critical awareness, it can only be good.

Ideas and wisdom need to be passed on.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 18:16 | 3095292 carlsbadip
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Creative destruction is always worse on this side then the otherside.  The dependence of the young on the State will make it hard for the young to lead, but be split in defendning their Status Quo and those that want a better path.  The America of individualism has died slowly over the past 80 years.  Hurricane victims look to Washington and not to the local community.

 More young males are on SSI than have found new jobs in the last 4 years.  Young men today are without confidence, self-reliance and a place in society because the left has successfully through dominating the education systems that have created   the neutered men of our society.  Since men historically have tended to be more individualized and suspcious of government than women over our history, the targeting of men was a natural for the left.

With colleges and universities being dominated by woemen, over 60% of students,  the US will have even fewer Scientists and Engineers and fall even further behind and be more dependnet on the importation of skills.  The creative destruction for our society will come from the skilled immigrants and the first generation from those same immigrants, which has been the formula America has followed for a few hundred years.  More skilled immigrants and fewer unskilled immigrants would certainly be a good start to the initiate the creative destruction we need.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 18:20 | 3095296 JR
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Yes, Charles, the break is coming.  Ron Paul has cast the die, and those with the courage are ready, like Caesar, to cross the Rubicon.  The hypocritical Savior State -- with its constant appeal to ‘Mobocracy” and the elite --  has transformed the nation into a syndicate of organized crime and injustice. And the more that the sane encounter it, the more repulsive it becomes.

The State is a non-thinking creature of political corruption that creeps upon the people like a plague, and once encountered, devours.

Too many people don’t think, are too lazy to think. The future is for those who will think. Thinking is what made civilization.

Robert Sewell Oakes wrote in 1974: “Democracy is not a philosophy; democracy is not a science; democracy is not a plan. Instead—democracy inevitably degenerates into a total disregard for principle, and soon becomes a haven of refuge for free-loading, caterwauling scalawags and scoundrels, as well as a total insult to the wisdom of God and Mother Nature! …

Our nation was not founded as a ‘democracy’—it was founded as a Republic, designed to endure as long as its honor and sanity endured. Only taxpayers voted and only voters paid taxes…the whole process was socially, mentally and morally elevating. Only a man of outstanding character and unquestioned integrity would have even a ‘Chinaman’s chance’ of being elected to any high office—particular the Presidency.”

But, asks Oakes: “Where would we turn today for a Washington, a Jefferson, an Andrew Jackson—men of unquestioned integrity? No—this fraudulent thing called ‘Democracy’ has destroyed the potential of all such men. Today, only a clever trickster, a professional slicker, an accomplished liar, or a professional hypocrite would have the slightest chance (with the tail wagging the dog) of being elected President!”

At last, Charles, could it be that there is a limit to lowdown! I too am hopeful!

Merry Christmas, Charles, and God bless!

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 03:22 | 3098306 mkkby
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Good post, JR.

Charles's hopeful message seems to miss a few important facts.  We are in uncharted territory here... so studying history isn't much help.  Humans have never lived in a society like this.  The community spirit that he sees died 100 years ago when everyone moved from farms to cities.  Back then, most people stayed in one place their whole life.  That is why they knew their neighbors as friends who worked together.

I doubt that is even possible in most places.  Most likely your neighbor is from another culture and speaks another language.  If they communicate with each other, it is just polite small talk.  They all get in cars to work with people who come from scattered locations. This contributes to the isolation.  There are very few people living in small, stable communities that have a shared culture and economic cooperation with those around them.





Tue, 12/25/2012 - 18:26 | 3095300 QQQBall
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Readers ask me to post something positive... not something based in reality, not a reasoned analysis of the current trend and conditions... just - "tell me something good."  "there are twice as many Farmer's markets." hahahhahaha! We are d00med, deal with it.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 03:25 | 3098310 mkkby
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Don't forget -- he sees a few more solar panels around town.  LOL.  Wow, that proves it.  Everything will be fine now.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 18:51 | 3095321 Silversinner
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Me and my mom are a financial tac-team.She is my

only'bizz parner' I can trust for a 100%.I learned a

lot from her and still do.I just love me old mom.

My responsibility is of course to take care and

learn my son.You sir Muppet of the U are

pathetic and I do feel sorry for you.

Healty and succesfull comunities need older


Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:02 | 3095341 SilverDOG
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Basing your expectations upon singular maternal infatuation, to say the least, is foolhardy.

Not everyone is your mom. If you or she has convinced thereof, emotional Oedipus.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:00 | 3095336 Fix It Again Timmy
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"Obstacles make you clever." - Ho Chi Minh...   We're a resilient bunch...

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to All!...

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:21 | 3095350 Radical Marijuana
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Human beings need hope just as they need oxygen.

I attempt to maintain as much irrational hope as I could!

However, I find no grounds to maintain any reasonable hope.


The creativity side is just as exponential as the destructive one.

My basic view is that energy, or spirit, is indestructible, and constantly directs its own transformations. The current systems of organized lies, operating organized robberies, "the Status Quo, IS devolving from its internal contradictions and excesses." The paradoxical final failure from too much "success" of runaway fraud, backed by force, is playing through before us at an exponentially accelerating rate. Moreover, I expect nature to go even more nuts, than the degree to which civilization goes crazy, at the same time, because EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED.

Obviously, the basic flow of energy, that has apparently been here for billions of years, seems like it will continue for billions of more years. The turbulence of that flow will periodically increase, however, it is inherent in that flow to develop more non-linear functions, so that there is more life and consciousness within that turbulence. We are relatively soon going to go through some of the biggest social storms, along with matching natural storms, that we have been aware of, in any previous time in well-known human history, (which may well be a very mistaken view of our actual history?) However, the basic realities are that energy conserves itself in non-linear functions, and therefore, the complexity of life and consciousness naturally selects for itself. At the present time, we are forced to wait and watch as the the Status Quo, IS devolving from its internal contradictions and excesses. However, life goes on, and the survivors evolve.

Of course, the only thing that conquers death is birth, and creating the new is the way forward. However, at the same time, the magnitudes of the death of the old are unprecedented, and far beyond any of the current creative alternatives to cope with. Indeed, I will trot out my favourite shibboleth at this point. The keystone, lynch pin and central core of any system of creative alternatives MUST be their new death controls. I love the paradoxical oxymoron of saying that we need "New Age Warfare," precisely because most of those who preach about a "New Age" tend to have ideals which are predicated upon there miraculously being no more murder systems. I also like to say that I am in favour of a "New World Order," just not the one that that current ruling elites, the international banksters, are preparing, but rather, one that is pushed past that. Again, I find it profoundly mistaken when people oppose the "New World Order," because that is patently impossible. It is like opposing English grammar. Of course, there necessarily will be SOME "New World Order." Nobody can stop time. The future will come. I tend to believe that there can only be One Future, but that it is impossible for any finite being to ever be able to know what that One Future will be ...

Anyway, my basic view is that the collapse of the old will be way worse than we can imagine. However, there is also no doubt that something will survive, and the potential for that to evolve after any collapse is tremendous. I have no doubt that there are plenty of creative alternatives. I have no doubt that those should and could be integrated into systems. The biggest challenges, in my opinion, are for politics to make paradigm shifts equal to or greater than the paradigm shifts which have already astronomically amplified the size of Neolithic civilization, to become the globalized social pyramid systems that surround us today. Primarily, those require radically different ways of thinking about the death controls, and the murder systems, as being the essential features of integrated systems of creative alternatives. The questions regarding what is mutually beneficial, and why that IS more mutually beneficial, are questions that should be put in terms of unitary mechanisms, rather than expressed as false fundamental dichotomies. Superceding the old impossible ideals, based on old-fashioned false fundamental dichotomies, is the most important way that we could evolve our social and political realities.

Our current fake "democracies" have already had more than 99% of their sovereign powers privatized, so much so that it is quite ridiculous to assert that those societies are anything remotely close to being "democracies," and therefore, ridiculous to blame "democracy" for our social problems.  Our real political systems are overwhelmingly plutocracies dominated by force backed frauds. The crazy collapsing and psychotic breakdowns of the dominant systems of frauds, backed by force, are apparent. The emergence of creative alternatives made possible are far less apparent. For several decades, I have been speculating about what kind of creative alternatives MIGHT be able to survive through the wars and martial law that look like they are going to be forced to happen, because the whole world is being controlled by frauds. Perhaps some new kind of elites might emerge through those processes? I HOPE that I manage to survive for a while longer to witness how that plays through ... I do not believe there is any reasonable hope for the finite social systems that exist today. I do believe there are infinitely great irrational hopes for the infinite to continue.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:34 | 3095384 The Alarmist
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I'm a great believer in entropy ... it is all going downhill to nothingness.  Hopefully there is enough dark matter to draw it all back together into the next singularity that will start the process all over.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:02 | 3095409 Radical Marijuana
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Alarmist, as great believer in "entropy" you should consider WHY an arbitrary minus sign was inserted into the entropy equations in thermodynamics, and then, that was extrapolated into information theory! I do not believe that entropy exists. I do not believe that time and space exists. However, pure energy does not "exist" in any meaningful way without limits in time and space, which are, by definition, "entropy."

Indeed, it is THE question HOW did the energy get concentrated in the first place, so that it could later appear to explode. The empirical observation is that we live in an exploding universe, and that everything we are doing are the embers of that astronomical explosion. There are no coherent theories that explain that, although lots of fund science fiction which speculates about that. I tend to believe that current physics is quite incomplete, and perhaps even systematically backwards. Mostly, we appear to just have the same old-fashioned favourite human stories, slightly souped-up, which have been presented in popularized fashions, that reduce that back to the same old bullshit again ... I tend to like my mathematical physics to be as consistent as possible with ancient mysticism: Plenum Being, and Void Nonbeing. The Great Nonthing IS, while nothing is not!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:03 | 3095411 Skateboarder
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The plague of apathy is worse than any physical plague. Let us return to sympathy, and we may stand a fighting chance. The body is merely a transport vehicle of one consciousness that needs all the others just as much as it needs its host body. Isolate each consciousness and you've created seven billion fish struggling for life outside the water. Each is confused as to which is more important... the 'me,' or the 'we.' United, each consciousness recognizes the 'me' is just as important as the 'we,' and they are indistinguishable.

One love, all love, uncorrupted, forever. A confused consciousness might betray love, but love itself never betrays consciousness.

Merry Christmas to all, and skate free.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:24 | 3095365 BlueCheeseBandit
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Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:31 | 3095377 auric1234
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Precisely this afternoon I was thinking: gold will cleanse this mess and bring economic recovery. Gold does not inherently do good or evil, but its existance is firmly grounded in nature. It cannot be created nor destroyed. It removes all the trickery and uncovers the truth. And when humans see things for what they are, they will get rid of the parasites.

That is why I am hopeful.


Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:35 | 3095380 tlnzz
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 There will be no improvement in the U.S. until the criminals who now run our Government are swept aside one way or another. When the Government becomes the biggest criminal in the Country, and no longer enforces economic "black letter law", it becomes an enemy of the people. These people will not go quietly into the darkness. They also can't run the Government from a bunker. I wish the same fate on them as what happened to Benito Mussolini. History is full of mob rule as lawlessness grows.


Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:49 | 3095395 Mr. Hudson
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Americans have to unite and work together to make that happen. The bankers keep us divided. When the SHTF, we are not going to hold hands and sing Christmas carols; Americans will go nuts: liberals and conservatives will slaughter each other.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 02:30 | 3095742 Freddie
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Until people start pulling the plug on TV and Hollywood then I am not optimistic.  

The sheep are easily manipulated by TV and Hollywood and if people here watch and pay for their shit - they enable it and make the evil stronger.    More race baiting violent misery coming out soon from Tarantino and the Weinsteins in Kill Whitey filled with murder, misery, hatred, and evil.  F Hollywood and F TV.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 04:32 | 3095813 Element
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But Freddie, there's going to be lots of really cool scenes of gangster shit, some profound introspections, punctuated by horrific meaningless brutality, softened by human sincerity, unbearable temptation and fucking, and then just plain bad luck and dumbshit murdering people for kicks.

What have you got against that?!!!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:17 | 3095426 JR
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America needs to "find men instead of 'cheese-hungry' mice to fill important political position, to guide her destiny, to pull us from the quagmire of Democracy's degenerative influences and trends." -- R.S. Oakes

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:53 | 3095462 Yen Cross
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Being dependent is not an option/ Get your ass up and start a business! OOPs you just got cluster fucked in a quagmire of paperwork!  My annual ( management fees are well over 10% of our (net margins). The fucking accountants and lawyers are responsible for this "train wreck" They are corrupt money grubbing parasites.  Who really likes their Legal Team?

\ Every time I walk out of the conference room, I want to blow the fucking place up!/

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:57 | 3095472 Anusocracy
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What's needed are several thousand Ceausescu moments.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 21:53 | 3095533 Yen Cross
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Do you really want to go Roman Emperors, with me?

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 22:43 | 3095582 Anusocracy
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Regicide, the most important tool God gave the masses.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:10 | 3095415 q99x2
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Good thing about being born geneticly lucky is that what goes on outside is mostly noise. Whether you have millions or only a roof over your head and enough food to eat you live like a king. What a strange and wonderful time we live in.

Oops there goes the pre-markets. YeeeeeeHaaaaa

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 21:42 | 3095519 Yen Cross
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I love you q99x2 ,   It's Desire!  The desire to be the best.  The desire to prove an idea!   You can call it genetics, and I'm not bald!

  Desire to excel my Friend!

  When little pricks called Warren Buffet, start dictating National TAX Policy<  I have a problem.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:20 | 3095431 Westcoastliberal
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The real divide between us isn't really age-based because jerks are universal.  What really separates us essentially, is the narcissist sociopaths and the rest of us.  When the economy crashes, along with fiat money, it will take away their power over us, because in my opinion it is these people who are presently in control.

They seem to have no concern for running us into the ground, and just like a parasite that winds up killing its host, there must be another factor involved in our current society that can only be realized by superior knowledge or intelligence.  Since 2000, seems to me the bs has escalated; the scene makes me side with those who believe we're experiencing a "break-away civilization".

These bastards plans will not work if enough of us are aware, awake, and see the world as it is.  Merry Christmas.


Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:43 | 3095440 Griffin
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I was watching 80 college students graduate a few days ago.

The students came from social science, technical studies and art studies, and only 1 from business and economics.

In my view its a very positive sign to see creative energy returning to productive parts of the economy, away from the destructive parts of the economy, like banking.

The economies would repair themselves if given a chance.


Every once in a while there is a revolution, the new replaces the old, everything old is destroyed or deemed as obsolete.

The cycle starts again, slowly building up to the same situation we face right now.

Maybe one day, we might be fortunate enough to learn form the mistakes of the past by studying the past rather than ignoring it, distorting it or destroying it.

Maybe the key to create a better socitety can be found in the past.


Its like if you get a virus in your computer, you could get rid of it by bashing the computer with a rock, or you could isolate the virus, study it, find out where it came from and why its in your system.

Then you could improve your system to avoid future problems.

Its actually far easier and a lot cheaper than the rock approach.





Tue, 12/25/2012 - 23:49 | 3095653 HurricaneSeason
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Better yet is to reformat in reinstall programs, it's much quicker. After the long and labor-expensive search for the virus, you can never be sure you got it all. That's one reason the "system" will never be fixed except by contract collapse. The number of tweaks it would take would last many years and we don't have many years without the reserve currency. Cutting the value of the dollar in half quickly (like the Feral Reserve and Republicans and Democrats want to do) is the only other option.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 02:15 | 3095736 Dr. Sandi
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I find that my computer starts to mock me if I don't threaten it with a rock every so often.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:42 | 3095449 stant
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the next generations will pick out the good and laugh at the stupid. we will leave them lots of laughs

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 20:57 | 3095473 Yen Cross
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Tue, 12/25/2012 - 22:45 | 3095585 bunnyswanson
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NDAA is what the future generations will have to look forward to.  Laughter? There will be no laughing allowed. 


The Enemy Belligerent Act grants “the president the power to order the arrest, interrogation, and imprisonment of anyone - including a U.S. citizen - indefinitely, on the sole suspicion that he or she is affiliated with terrorism, and on the president's sole authority as commander in chief.”



The Internet Kill Switch bill, officially called the Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act, gives the President the authority to police, censor and shut down parts of the Internet under a cyber emergency. While promoting the bill, Lieberman openly called for the U.S. to have the same ability to censor the Internet as China.



The Enemy Expatriation Act aimed to remove the rights protected by U.S. citizenship from those who “support hostilities against the United States.” This act was in response to Obama's assassination of a U.S. citizen without formal charges or due process to, in effect, legalize such action by removing Constitutional protections of those suspected of supporting hostilities.



The NDAA, which has declared American soil part of the formal battlefield, permits the U.S. military to arrest and indefinitely detain U.S. citizens on the suspicion of supporting or sympathizing with broadly defined terrorists - thus effectively rendering their rights as citizens obsolete - expatriation in practice but not in name.



The NDAA also includes authorization to go after those who engage in a “belligerent act” including protests and speech, thus fulfilling the intent of the Enemy Belligerent Act. Shahid Buttar points out on FireDogLake:



If Occupy and Tea Party groups are treated as terrorists, does that render them among the 'associated forces' of groups 'engaged in hostilities against the United States' for whom the NDAA authorizes military detention without trial? Just to be clear: no one has a good answer here, which is precisely the problem.



Even within the four corners of the NDAA itself, section 1031(b)(2) includes among 'covered persons' subject to potential military detention 'any person who has committed a belligerent act….' What, exactly, is a belligerent act? 'Hostile' and 'aggressive' are synonyms, and while the term has an established (though not entirely defined) meaning in the context of international war, its precise meaning in the context of the NDAA remains unspecified.



And finally, the NDAA declares the Internet an “operation domain” in the war on terror allowing for the Pentagon, “upon direction by the President may conduct offensive operations in cyberspace.” The authority goes even further than passive Internet censorship. The Pentagon also claims the authority to use military force as a response to serious cyber attacks. The Pentagon announced their efforts to recruit and train an army of cyber soldiers as funded by the NDAA.



How bad each of these bills are separately only reflects the magnitude of what Lieberman and his hawkish ilk were able to accomplish in the NDAA. No other elected official can claim the success of Lieberman in terms of ramming through increasingly tyrannical legislation.


But nearly all elected officials are responsible for passing the NDAA and its predecessor the USA PATRIOT Act.


So, protest of these individual bills are futile, much like the overwhelming public opposition to the bank bailouts was futile in swaying the “deciders.” As Lieberman departs the Senate in a blaze of tyranny, Americans will most certainly continue to be burned unless the people wake up.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 01:47 | 3095729 Joseph Jones
Joseph Jones's picture mean the jewish man Lieberman, a man who's daily Rabbinical prayer is "Thank you g_d I'm not a slave, a gentile, nor a woman" is not in favor of the Bill of Rights? 

I'm shocked!

(sarc off)

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 21:20 | 3095495 HurricaneSeason
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We didn't get here by people being lazy. Clinton ended welfare as we knew it and gave them all high paying jobs working for the government.  Unfortunately, that should be paid for by the taxes of the millions of jobs sent to China.  There's no reason for a pair of Levis to be shipped around the world.  $15 an hour, plus endless government cost burdens added to it, just can't compare to 50 cents an hour with now benefits and crack the whip obedience. There is no way to fix the 4 foot high stack of IRS rules or contract promises anymore.  The government should have never set a single hourly wage rate into law by government employee mob rule or prevailing wage or any other reason involving bribes and such. It will have to collapse. We will lose millions of jobs this year and every year of the next ten as the bad checks bounce. We'll have to meet the Chinese labor half way and store and gas prices will have to double because the Chinese will need to consume more. Hopefully, we'll find true democracy and free job and stock markets after they collapse because there wont be the resources to waste anymore. We'll need real plans.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 21:28 | 3095504 linrom
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The end of credit-based consumption will be a very positive development, as will the devolution of the Savior State.


Credit based consumption is 5,000 years old. Credit predates money. You must live in some fantasy world.

There is no Savior State. The state does not pay for anything, it transfers money to the rich and debts onto lower classes. People like Koch brothers own the state, and they are not Robin Hood or Santa Claus.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 22:19 | 3095560 bunnyswanson
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Credit is necessary to start a small business, to buy big-ticket items (cars, major applicances, homes).  Credit sustains people when the unexpected takes place.

Page 23 of the IMF document dated 10/23/2012 - shows the US decline as the advancement of developing nations. a ~Transfer of Wealth~.  The banks are centralizaing and the infusions of cash from the Fed and IMF are doing little if the banks do not lend the money to the very people who would open a business, hire employees.  It's a shell game.  All of the work the monetary system is doing to correct the situation is a problem they created in the first fucking place and the solution they've chosen is what will seal the fate of all in the middle class. 

...leaders launched work on a banking union, which was followed up recently with a proposal by the European Commission to establish a single supervisory mechanism. Leaders agreed that, once established, such a mechanism would open the possibility for the ESM to take direct equity stakes in banks. This is critical because it will help break the adverse feedback loops between sovereigns and banks. Moreover, in early September, the ECB announced that it will consider (without ex ante limits) Outright Monetary Transactions (OMTs) under a macroeconomic adjustment or precautionary program with the EFSF/ESM.

The transactions will cover government securities purchases, focused on the shorter part of the yield curve. Importantly, the ECB will accept the same treatment as private or other creditors with respect to bonds purchased through the OMT program.








Wed, 12/26/2012 - 07:19 | 3095856 Colonial Intent
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I see both Brothers downvoted you.

ZH, where you can criticize anyone and anything (except the cocks)

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 21:27 | 3095505 Aquarius
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I have many times over the years said that this crisis which we experience today, is a crisis of "leadership", IOW those at  the helm eg economists, bureaucrats, politicians and all that influence the policies for governing, ie Law, are ignorant, incompetent, and not of the abilities or persuasion, to govern. Such a point of view supported by facts, demands a new governing Order and Ordering. Nothing more to be said. Ho hum

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 23:19 | 3095601 Griffin
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In Iceland, the Independence party has more or less ruled Reykjavik city for a long time, sometimes other parties have challanged the dominace of Valholl (Independence party HQ) with variable results.

This changed after the crash, the people fielded their own candidate, someone who had no ties to any of the old parties.  His name is Jon Gnarr, a comedian.

Here you can see the fight :) Jon enters the fight at min 2:10

He may not always look it but he is actually a very smart guy, he has changed the city from a burning wreck to something that actually works.





Tue, 12/25/2012 - 21:35 | 3095512 Yen Cross
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 The Smart people are out! Fuck Yea!  I smell some good thoughts and ideas.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 22:57 | 3095550 Room 101
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I'm fairly optimistic about things.  ZH is a great place it does have a lot of pessimists for whom the glass is neither half empty nor half full, but radioactive, bone dry, and crawling with leeches.

There is a lot to be hopeful for and as another poster noted it's the small things that you see a million times. I'd add some bigger things that we've seen in just the past few weeks.  You can't buy a semi-auto rifle.  Not because of a ban that may never materialize but because they're SOLD OUT!  And have you seen the premiums on physical PMs? They're going up.  That's not because ZHers; they're aren't enough of us to make much of a dent.  Someone else...LOTS of somone elses are buying like mad. 

Now I'm not suggesting that a society that buys-out all it's gun stores and is stacking PM's like there's no tomorrow is in good health, but I am suggesting that a society where large numbers of people are preparing for the worst are ironically less likely to actually experience the worst. And that's a good thing.

Merry Christmas! 

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 23:19 | 3095624 Sambo
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The seeds of destruction were sown when you first started believing what mommy told you, then your dad, your teacher in elementary school, your uncles, aunts, then the TV, the newspaper, the magazines, the pope, the priest...we beileve everyone.

Belief itself is destructive.

You take out beilef from your system and the whole thing collapses along with the beilef in a system of thought that you yourself have created. When that foundational belief ends, then something new is possible. Otherwise it is old wine in a new bottle.

Merry Christmas!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 23:24 | 3095627 Salah
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Here shortly Pluto enters the second decan of Capricorn and America's second natal house, a spot it has never visited since 1776. Also, it's in the same location vis-a-vis China's chart on Mao's founding time.

Let the fun and games begin....especially with Neptune now in Pisces and Uranus back in Aries (1st time since1928).

You can count on things being extremely toxic to the status quo; with episodes of deep, deep troubling & disturbing sorrow (I.e. Newtown) you can count on the status quo to be extremely toxic in their response.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 23:34 | 3095637 Sambo
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2013 will be the year America will again become independent?


Tue, 12/25/2012 - 23:25 | 3095629 Imminent Crucible
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A more human world lies just beyond the edge of the Status Quo.

Aha! Just as I thought: Charles Hugh Smith is actually a Mayan high priest. The destruction of the Status Quo leaves PLENTY to be happy about. It's just that the train wreck phase is kind of a bummer. Please fasten your seat belts; we are about to enter some turbulent air. But we'll come out on the other side just fine, and make a safe Detroit or Barbados, your choice.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 23:51 | 3095656 Antidisestablis...
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I'm not hopeful.  Not on a cosmic scale or a human scale. 

All you need to do is study astronomy and cosmology in the most basic way to understand that the universe is amoral, extremely violent, unstoppable, and for all human intents, random.  Some star many light-years away may have already gone super-nova and we wouldn't know it yet, and yet it would mean the extermination of life in our solar system.  (Hard to believe, isn't it, that a star tens of trillions of miles away could have such an impact here.)

All you need to do is study the natural processes that take place right here on earth, sometimes very suddenly, that could change life in drastic ways for centuries.  Just imagine Yellowstone going up, or a something like the Oruanui eruption in New Zealand, which happened just 26,500 years ago and was about 2,000x bigger than Mount St. Helens.  Think that might have some effect on the global economy?

And as for human progress and the better angels in human nature, sure, they are there and they have brought about great wonders.  But that has been in spite of many devastating episodes: mankind's long history of wars, periodic plagues that have nearly wiped out humanity across large areas, periods where mankind falls under the spell of one mass delusion or another.  Sanity is eventually restored, but it is a conceit to think that we can absorb every setback and come back stronger than ever.  After the great wonders of the ancient world there did come a time, around 600 AD, when there was nobody left in Europe who knew how to build a proper road and former cities were depopulated ruins. 

The point being: human existence is a fragile thing, nothing is assured, and there is nothing we can do to alter that reality.  Just because nothing really bad has happened in our lifetimes does not mean it can't or won't.  In comparison to some of the things that could happen, a complete meltdown of the global financial system would be a trifling thing, an economic setback lasting a generation or two at worst and probably far less than that. 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 00:21 | 3095672 Griffin
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I suppose the only major threat to our existence is how we are depleting or destroying our natural resources and always reaching further to find new resources, like drilling for oil in the Arctic area, at great depth around icebergs and in rough waters.

Or drilling for geothermal energy in active volcanoes in areas that are clearly unstable.

I think our doomsday, if it comes, will not be a asteroid or Super volcano like Yellowstone.

It will take far less than that.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 00:21 | 3095673 delacroix
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I just got back from backpacking across nicaragua. I was impressed with how much they do with so little, and in general the people were much happier than here in so-cal. no welfare, no state healthcare, no ssi. the people are fitter, and generally have good health. they do a lot more walking than us. and there is very little fast food. lots of fresh fruit and vegetables.someone we would consider poor owns his simple home outright. may own a motorcycle. raises chickens, and has a garden. his small earnings are sufficient to provide food and necessities for his family, and he doesn't need a heater in winter. no debt  (sounds like paradise)

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 08:51 | 3095882 Eugend66
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Thumbing down this comment without any given reason is idiotic.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 04:39 | 3095814 q99x2
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Why I'm not Hopeful: The Potus is back to settle the Fiscal Cliff. Is Greece going to default?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 06:14 | 3095839 TooRichtoCare
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Sorry...I just couldn't read this...when you talk about the staus quo devolving you need to use lower caps. When you write Status Quo with capital letters, it simply reminds me of the old British rockers....and within minutes I was bringing out the old vinyl records and, alas, your article got pushed to the side.  Sorry...but your fault really, not mine.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 06:17 | 3095840 TooRichtoCare
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How can you talk about destroying the Status Quo?   Are you nuts?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 07:14 | 3095854 negative rates
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It's eventually going to happen right in front of your eyes, and when the time comes, you wont be thinking about nuts.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 07:18 | 3095855 tradewithdave
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Why I am hopeful.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 09:06 | 3095898 FreeNewEnergy
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I am hopeful for many reasons, foremost among them - at the moment - being that Christmas (and all the BS holiday muppet shopping nonsense) is over. Yeah, peace and good will and all that are fine, but after slogging through 59 holiday seasons (don't recall the first four or five, really), it's now just a chore to give my pampered nieces some money and commune with what's left of my extended family.

Beyond my distaste for the holidays, I have always been very self-reliant, am in the best heath of my life (59 going on 30) and recently discovered the glories of growing everything from my own tobacco, to broccoli, tomatoes, mint, peppers, flowers, etc.

My resolutions for the coming year are to finally rid myself of BofA (been living in a foreclosed-upon inherited dwelling for 3 1/2 years and the time has come to file fraud charges and end the BS) and dunk a basketball. I know that sounds crazy, but I could almost do it when I was in my 30s, but now I'm actually lighter and in better shape. Admittedly, age has taken some of the spring out of my step, but I am confident that a solid exercise regimen and determination will lead me to achievement.

I'm just a shade under 6-feet tall, so I need to really develop my vertical. I may not make it, I know, but the point is that I have the courage to try. And that's the bottom line: If you never try, you'll always be limited.

Here's to testing the limits of human achievement, karma and an end to fractional reserve banking in 2013.

Keep stacking and growing. Stay hungry, my friends. An early Happy New Year to all the faithful here on ZH and thanks for allowing us to rant and rave.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:00 | 3095967 shovelhead
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Uncle Beauford sums it thusly:

"Cain't enjoy your garden til you drive the bugs out. Anything else is jist bad gardening and a waste of time."

He might have a point.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 23:26 | 3098092 Tommy Gunner
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Unfortunately this entire article is RUBBISH.


Because we have enjoyed the gift of very low cost energy (fossil fuels) for nearly two centuries.  And now that cheap energy is running out as evidenced by the fact that we are now scraping the bottom of the oil drum by engaging in deep sea drilling, fracking, and tar sands - all very expensive - all very damaging to the environment.

And because of this gift we have been able to expand the population to 7 billion +.   As the global economy atrophies due to expensive energy, what will these 7 billion do when they find themselves unable to feed themselves and their families?

All hell is going to break loose.  And in response I see a totalitarian nightmare as the elites deploy the military to attempt to maintain some sort of order.  The brutality will be on an epic scale.

So to think this is going to end in some sort of utopian society is incredibly naieve. 

I have been stockpiling gold bars since 2007.  That may prove futile in such a world...  If I lived in a country that allowed me to own firearms I would dedicate a bedroom to holding assault rifles and many cases of ammunition. 

All hell IS going to break loose.  My only hope is that within the totalitarian nightmare that is coming, the rulers will offer some form of protection that prevents others from taking my gold


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