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China Proposes Full Name Registration For Every User To Make Its Internet "Healthier, More Cultured And Safer"

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With various "gun control" proposals flying fast and furious (precisely the reactionary kneejerk reaction Ron Paul warned would happen), some of which as brilliant as RFIDing every gun in existence, supposedly including the tens of millions of illegal and unregistered ones, it is perhaps appropriate to see how another authoritarian government - China - deals with its own equivalent of the touchy Second Amendment, its "First", or the right to free speech in a society which for decades has had none, and where the internet makes free speech regulation impossible (very much any gun control in a nation in which there is one gun for every person is impossible). China's solution, according to Reuters, the requirement of a real name registration for internet access for every person, "extending a policy already in force with microblogs in a bid to curb what officials call rumors and vulgarity...A law being discussed this week would mean people would have to present their government-issued identity cards when signing contracts for fixed line and mobile internet access, state-run newspapers said."


"The law should escort the development of the internet to protect people's interest," Communist Party mouthpiece the People's Daily said in a front page commentary, echoing similar calls carried in state media over the past week. "Only that way can our internet be healthier, more cultured and safer."


Many users say the restrictions are clearly aimed at further muzzling the often scathing, raucous - and perhaps most significantly, anonymous - online chatter in a country where the Internet offers a rare opportunity for open debate.


It could also prevent people from exposing corruption online if they fear retribution from officials, said some users.


It was unclear how the rules would be different from existing regulations as state media has provided only vague details and in practice customers have long had to present identity papers when signing contracts with internet providers.


Earlier this year, the government began forcing users of Sina Corp's wildly successful Weibo microblogging platform to register their real names.


The government says such a system is needed to prevent people making malicious and anonymous accusations online and that many other countries already have such rules.


"It would also be the biggest step backwards since 1989," wrote one indignant Weibo user, in apparent reference to the 1989 pro-democracy protests bloodily suppressed by the army.


Chinese internet users have long had to cope with extensive censorship, especially over politically sensitive topics like human rights, and popular foreign sites Facebook, Twitter and Google-owned YouTube are blocked.

The above does beg the question: did China actually not require full name registration for internet access previously? Because last we checked, even in such beacons of liberty as the US, one's internet browsing is always linked to one's IP address, which in turn is linked to a ISP, which in turn has always demanded proof of identity (not to mention payment) from every end-user.

That said, the popular Chinese response is correct: limitation of civil rights and an encroachment of government is never good, and is thus, always bad. Whether it refers to amendment #1, #2 or any other one. Sadly, ethical considerations are the last thing that drives a government's actions, whose only prerogative in an insolvent world in which central banks, which are rapidly becoming fully controlled branches of government (see Japan), is to get bigger as fast as possible, and have directly control over as much as possible while preserving the illusion of democracy and personal liberty.


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Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:00 | 3095965 achmachat
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in China it's already kind of like that for official free wifi access points.

you either get your login and password by sending an SMS from your Chinese phone, or you scan your passport (if you don't have a local phone number) to get your free access codes.


Like this, they'll always know who is who.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:16 | 3095993 CH1
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Registration = Allow us to point a gun at your head before we start.

(You may have to turn that one over in your head for a while before it synchs.)

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:39 | 3096033 caconhma
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Looks like China becomes a world leaders in democratic, cultural, and moral areas. We Americans somewhere behind but our government and our Congress working very hard not to be far behind.

One day, we may have our own Cultural Revolution similar to one Great Leader Mao imposed in China 50 years ago. I am just affraid we all will be forced to speak Chinese.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:51 | 3096064 CynicLaureate
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W? xi?ngxìn n? shì duì de, tóngzhì.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:05 | 3096265 SafelyGraze
Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:17 | 3096132 SheepleInAction
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This is how His Holiness answers to that:

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:28 | 3096008 UNCOMPROMISED

Any and all Internet cafes require state issued ID to gain access. Your ID is then tied to your session and volia.

But tell me how it is different in the USofA?

It's the same present but different wrapping paper.

Funny thing is that you can still read an anti-China website like the Hedge in China but not at BOA. LoL

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:33 | 3096017 Harrison
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Huh? I can walk into a few dozen restaurants in my home neighborhood and connect to their wifi without a password and without identifying myself. I don't even have to go inside; I could just as easily sit in their parking lots and leech if I wanted to. Same with both of the local libraries within a short drive.

My laptop's wifi card isn't registered anywhere. If I really feel paranoid, I can walk into any store and buy a replacement for cash, and I can swap the card in and out of my laptop with a screwdriver and five minutes of swearing.

Try doing any of that in China.

Oh, and by the way, nearly all routers use NAT, which results in your network interface's MAC address (the unique identifier) getting substituted with the router's MAC address. (That was the cheap-quick technical fix to running out of IP addresses in IPv4 -- and the U.S. telcos are too f*cking cheap to implement IPv6, which has been available in most of the world for years.)

So, no, as long as you clear your browser's cookies and don't do anything too retarded, you aren't forcibly tracked in the U.S.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:42 | 3096035 CH1
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as long as you clear your browser's cookies and don't do anything too retarded, you aren't forcibly tracked in the U.S.

Puh-leez... and William Binney risked his future, outing the NSA for nothing. (Not to mention the ISPs who were prosecuted, etc.)

It's not about tracking your machine, it's about taking your traffic!

And they have it ALL, unless you work or pay to make it otherwise.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:43 | 3096036 UNCOMPROMISED

You don't have to 'by the way' me.

You paid for your laptop with a creditcard, your laptops MAC is tied to you via your compliance the new Internet commerce model. Your entry point(ISP) always has YOUR true MAC.

You are known to the NSA via their ownership of the Internet.

This is how they get away with it. You think you're anonymous but the jokes on you.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:45 | 3096045 CH1
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You think you're anonymous but the jokes on you.

Indeed. (Unless he's working for them, of course.)

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:51 | 3096067 UNCOMPROMISED

Oh, by the way-man. How many times did you have to reboot your router in 2012? That router carries an internal cross reference table for MAC to internal non-routable IP addresses. That router got hacked by your ISP)or worse) to harvest the very reference table that ties your MAC to your traffic.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:59 | 3096087 fuu
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You're not really new are you?

Grats on the 11 days Impure Condoms.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:15 | 3096129 UNCOMPROMISED

What? You,re not a Yen Cross-er are you cuz I have a specific dialog for your TYpe.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:49 | 3096226 UNCOMPROMISED

Yes Ralphie. Well known to black and white hats as such but does that apply to the skill level of the average participant? Windows and AOL/comcast.

The only way to truely do this on the hardware level is to run as it has a kernel level debugging hook. But who does this (besides us)?

The average participant is stuck. To run with the herd you must broadcast yourself to the world under the prying eye of your overlords.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:42 | 3096380 Urban Redneck
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If someone wants the convenience of a constant (fixed) entry point to the internet tubes, there is no anonymity.

That said, my "other" computer measures 12mmx25mmx3mm, has 64gb of space, has about half a dozen OS's depending on my immediate needs, and works great on all sorts of hardware that can't be tied to me (especially the hardware of people and institutions I dislike)...

I think most internet participants want a level of confidentiality that the don't "need" and most praticipants with a "legitimate" need (governments, lawyers, doctors, bankers, etc.) don't have the confideniality they think they have.  The CIA was for years way behind its competitors when it came to sharing information with the private sector (either for off-budget revenue or to promote strategic interests)- I wonder if it has changed post 9/11 or with the rise of Chinese State-sponsored industrial espionage... regardless- all your secrets and intellectual property already belong to the spooks (and not necessarily your home team's spooks).


Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:39 | 3096377 Real Estate Geek
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(VPN with your choice of servers in locations all over the world.  So far, it's been idiot-proof; however, my sample consists of only one idiot.)


Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:54 | 3096423 UNCOMPROMISED

This is what I'm talking about Ralph ^^.

Even Tor exit nodes don't mean shiz bro.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 15:53 | 3096905 CH1
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your choice of servers in locations all over the world

Featuring a single point of failure, a single hop, etc., etc.

Faux protection, but it's cheap!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 09:07 | 3101221 awakening
Thu, 12/27/2012 - 03:54 | 3098325 Harrison
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I look at it in the same way as I look at cacheing of firearms. Yes, you can bury your guns, but guess what, magnetic anomaly detection can show where soil was disturbed. But you know what, by the time the government is flying MAD passes over the national forest to detect where you might have disturbed the soil to bury your guns, it is far, far too late, and you should have started shooting back long ago.

Likewise, if I'm worrying about the NSA tracking my pr0n downloads, I may as well just shoot myself. "Anonymity" is relative to what your activities are. I don't plan on doing anything that the NSA is particularly going to care about, unless someone takes a deep interest in pr0n downloads of course.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:52 | 3096070 Fizzywig
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Coming soon, to a country near you.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:27 | 3096513 SilverRhino
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In America, IF they get interested in you, they will just backtrack your session through however many hops, and then use the security camera footage around public WIFI access points coupled with facial recognition technology to start getting a lead on you.   

Yes I have seen this done and the speed of the technology is only getting faster and better at it. 


Wed, 12/26/2012 - 15:54 | 3096911 CH1
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Unless (as I keep saying) you either work at protecting yourself or pay for professional protection.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 09:59 | 3095966 agent default
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Coming soon to a "free country" near you.  I mean we have to protect the children after all right?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:01 | 3095971 Aziz
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Too true comrade.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:14 | 3096126 Silver Bully
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"I mean we have to protect the children after all right?"

We are all the State's children now.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:47 | 3096221 Shizzmoney
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We've been the State's children since they started to automatically take money from the Laborer's paycheck.

The "elites" are scared to death that the smart yet capital strained people are not fucking and producing more slaves for their State.  A few factors: stagnant wages, social safety nets being slashed (especially for those who don't make the poverty threshholds), contraceptives and females rising in middle management, and more responibilities thrown onto workers (which means less times for kids and families).

Hell in Germany and Austrailia, they are GIVING you straight up cash for having a kid, up to $13K!

The only people it seems having kids are the poor; they have the time to fuck and unlike smart people, are less likely employed (or more likely, do not have secure employment) and less likely to understand the rising inflationary costs of having a child (which our leaders don't want to mention).

Good talk on this by Chris Martenson below about the Global Population levels (we expect to reach 9 billion by 2030):

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:01 | 3095970 francis_sawyer
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Hack the PRANET!...

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:02 | 3095972 Dr. No
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Dr. Julius No. 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:02 | 3095974 LoneStarHog
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Fung Yu!

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:06 | 3095979 azzhatter
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Orwell pops a woody

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:07 | 3095983 DougM
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Doesn't everyone have the same name over there?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:22 | 3095999 azzhatter
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I believe the number was 5 names account for 50% of the population. thank You Mr Wang

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:22 | 3096000 GMadScientist
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Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:08 | 3095987 egoist
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A lot of us go to China for work. When I was there, various sites I was reading one day would be blocked the next day. I gotta think that this register will apply to me, next time I'm in the hole. I'm just not sure if it'll happen here before the next time I go there.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:37 | 3096188 TGR
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Which sites?

The sites blocked of note in China are youtube, twitter, blogspot, wordpress and facebook, plus porno sites and the pages of a certain religious cult. The main reason these sites were blocked (besides the porn ones) is because certain elements of overseas Chinese nationals were using them to spruik their agenda in Chinese. Otherwise sites in English are generally off the radar, though bloomberg is one such site canned recently for political reasons.

There's free wifi at every second cafe, bar and restaurant in most large cities in China, all you need is your pda or laptop, but no ID system needed so I am not sure how this will be workable as yet. Fixed line broadband has always required ID for installation and annual contract, not much different to anywhere else in the world.

You can still go and buy a sim card, no name required (though in most large cities they are trying to make registration mandatory, as it is in many other countries), and use it to access online


Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:10 | 3095988 pods
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"We have narrowed down the list of who the likely perpetrator is.  It seems it is a Mr. Lee and he resides in Shanghai."


Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:18 | 3095995 bania
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I was chatting with some friends on facebook about this the other day. it's really scary how these authoritarian countries collect all this personal information to control people. 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:22 | 3095998 GMadScientist
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bone dry humor! love it.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:17 | 3096134 Silver Bully
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People are talking about the Apocalypse like there's no tommorrow.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 22:08 | 3097939 Mike in GA
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That's so yesterday!

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:21 | 3095996 GMadScientist
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"Hey, Mister...wanna make some money and buy us some beer?"


Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:23 | 3096002 Joe A
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Measure as these will change people's behaviour but will not change people's thoughts.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:08 | 3096104 Race Car Driver
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> ... but will not change people's thoughts

Bernays and Farnsworth came out with an app for that decades ago. It's mature tech and is multi-platform.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:24 | 3096004 eddiebe
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Safety first./

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:24 | 3096005 grey7beard
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So China has to do with fanatics stockpiling weapons meant to efficiently slaughter humans in the US how?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:00 | 3096090 Dollar Bill Hiccup
Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:24 | 3096006 larz
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Thanks for the view into our obama future (actually shouldnt pick on him - just dislike the arrogant theivin bastard)  - stay safe yee feeble sheep beg the gubmint for more and more protection they do it sooo well

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:28 | 3096014 Shizzmoney
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This is most likely to combat the high usage of VPNs and Proxies used by Chinese citizens to access websites blocked by the state. 

It won't matter b/c most of the Chinese hackers and computer brain trust will A) just leave or B) find another way around this, like they have the last 5 years.

The ironic thing is, most Chinese don't use the proxies to access twitter or other politically open forums (altho a good portion do), but to access websites with streaming content for movies/sports/tv shows blocked by the Communist Chinese state.

Take away the right of political speech? The People are OK with that.

Take away my ability to watch, "Team America: World Police" on Netflix? REVOLUTION!

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:28 | 3096015 Oldballplayer
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Shut up and make egg rolls. 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:31 | 3096020 Freddie
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The China that wants Americans disarmed backed by ALL of TV and Hollywood, Democrats, Bloomberg, Murdoch and other scum - want your guns.  Led by Di Fi (D) of CA who makes tens of millions in deals with China.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:40 | 3096037 durablefaith
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Well China will simply be catching up to the policies of US based multi-nationals in that regard. I moved homes within the US 6 months ago and found that it is near impossible to get wired or wireless internet service in the US without giving your social security number.

Verizon, ATT, Comcast, etc all require social security number for credit check reasons. Oh, you've had service for a decade and never missed a payment, they still need it. Oh, you're willing to pay for a year in advance, sorry, we still need the social security number, you know for credit check purposes....

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:57 | 3096083 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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I'm shocked that NSA can't figure it out by themselves.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:43 | 3096043 yogibear
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So when does the White House turn over the keys to China?

About 15 years ago an anti-Chinese American radio station was bought by a Chinese company and turned pro-China. Knew at that time who owned the US through huge political contributions.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:45 | 3096047 XitSam
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When government says it is "to protect people's interest", it always means to protect government's interest.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:50 | 3096228 Shizzmoney
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When government says it is "to protect people's interest", it always means to protect government's interest.

And the state-less corporates who bankroll them.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:46 | 3096050 SheepDog-One
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They're already doing the same here in the U.S., maybe not on a 'govt' level although I suspect there's not much difference these days but Youtube for example wants you to drop your username, and use your real name.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:52 | 3096069 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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It will also be healthier for the Chinese to eat more food than their body can process and become obese, diabetic and lethargic.

Then we can sit back and watch Cadillac's resurgence, this time in Asia.

Everyone who behaves online will get a state sponsored discount!

Better than lead poisoning for those who do not.

Who needs rights when the State is omniscient?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:57 | 3096082 Oldballplayer
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I had never had a financial dealing with anyone from Mainland china that did not result in a yelling sesssion about them reniging on a deal, or not delivering on a promise.

Most of them end up with my suggesting that my father should have shot their father when they were crossing the Yalu river.

I do not like the way they do business.  I do not like the way they treat their employees, and I sure as shit do not like the way their government treats their people.

They may be the new overlords, but that does not mean I have to like them.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:11 | 3096111 justanothersucker
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I worked for an American Co that was bought by Chinese.  Ruthless, antagonistic, argumentative and unyielding.  These were their GOOD points.  They believe that, by their very presence in the U.S., that they are ENTITLED to market share.  Earning that share is for the Amalican companies!

Mon, 12/31/2012 - 03:04 | 3108327 bunnyswanson
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I had a roommate from China.  She arrived in the US after marrying a travelling Mormon.  During the time I got to know her, I realized he was billing her (calls coming in for money) and she sent it to him.  Strange but there is more.  This 26 yr old daughter of a military man was in the export business, got a job at a local grower's distribution center selling varieties of nuts (seriously). 

Within a few months, her mail was coming here with my home address, including her bank statement.  I then found out she had created 2 export businesses under my address.  She then began searching the files of her employer and became a middle "man" for shipments (Calif. San Joaquin Valley) and aggressively began to try to find customers.  I tried to tell her that everyone knows everyone here but she thought she could pull it off.

She was eventually fired for conflict of interest and accessing secure files.  I had to get her out of here because of tax implications.  She refused to leave.  I had another roommate come in and she was still here.  Awkward.  She reluctantly packed and moved out.  That was my experience..::shudders::


Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:48 | 3096223 laomei
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Um... we already have to present ID when signing contracts for internet service and mobile phones on contract. This is standard practice.

The only time internet does not require it is when it's something that someone is taking over from a previous renter on a prepaid basis, or old prepaid phones that never required it. Even the new prepaid phones require it and most with a lick of sense will gladly hand over ID as it affords a whole lotta protection in the event of a stolen phone. Boohoohoo, people have to be responsible for their actions.

Mon, 12/31/2012 - 02:40 | 3106112 e-recep
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registered prepaid phones... coming to ALL countries near you...

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 16:25 | 3096267 Rustysilver
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How is this different then the United States


"A New York newspaper is under criticism for publishing the names and addresses of local gun owners on Monday.

In a piece titled, "The gun owner next door: What you don't know about the weapons in your neighborhood," the Journal News requested the names and addresses of local residents who are licensed to own handguns through Freedom of Information Law requests. The paper requested information from Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties. The paper was only given the names and addresses of those who have a license to own a handgun. The paper was denied its requests for the amount and type of guns owned by those who have licenses. Putnam County was still working on the request and has not yet released information to the Journal News."

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:09 | 3096468 tradewithdave
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Has anyone even bothered to ask Al Gore what we should do? Hello? You'd ask George Washington what to with our country or Jerry Springer "Who's your daddy?". Thankfully the former VP is still around to ask because I think they got rid of Does he still have Current TV and that guy who was fired from MSNBC? Right...Olberman. He had that "world's worst person" segment.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 19:08 | 3097594 Tompooz
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Nothing much changes. It still takes COURAGE to stand up and speak truth to power.

Look what our "good guy" in the Middle east does to its critics:

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 19:13 | 3097609 iamme
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In the west, we have this already. It's called facebook.


Wed, 12/26/2012 - 21:35 | 3097871 are we there yet
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The next step is to make fake internet identities illegal. That would wipe our most mail order brides, and dating sites.

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