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Generation Y Wakes Up From The American Dream, Faces An American Nightmare

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Three and a half years after the worst recession since the Great Depression, the earnings and employment gap between those in the under-35 population and their parents and grandparents threatens to unravel the American dream of each generation doing better than the last. We have noted a number of times that these divides are growing and warned of the social tension this could create and, as Bloomberg notes, it does not appear to be getting any better, Generation Y professionals entering the workforce are finding careers that once were gateways to high pay and upwardly mobile lives turning into detours and dead ends. "This generation will be permanently depressed and will be on a lower path of income for probably all of their life - and at least the next 10 years," as middle-income jobs are disappearing. A 2009 law school graduate sums it up rather succinctly: "I had a lot of faith in the system, the mythology that if you work really hard you can achieve anything, and the stock market always goes up. It was pretty naïve on my part."

 

Via Bloomberg:

Generation Y professionals entering the workforce are finding careers that once were gateways to high pay and upwardly mobile lives turning into detours and dead ends. Average incomes for individuals ages 25 to 34 have fallen 8 percent, double the adult population’s total drop, since the recession began in December 2007. Their unemployment rate remains stuck one-half to 1 percentage point above the national figure.

 

Three and a half years after the worst recession since the Great Depression, the earnings and employment gap between those in the under-35 population and their parents and grandparents threatens to unravel the American dream of each generation doing better than the last. The nation’s younger workers have benefited least from an economic recovery that has been the most uneven in recent history.

which is leading to an increasingly disenfranchised generation:

“This generation will be permanently depressed and will be on a lower path of income for probably all of their life -- and at least the next 10 years,” says Rutgers professor Cliff Zukin, a senior research fellow at the university’s John J. Heldrich Center for Workforce Development. Professionals who start out in jobs other than their first choice tend to stay on the alternative path, earning less than they would have otherwise while becoming less likely to start over again later in preferred fields, Zukin says.

 

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Only one-fifth of those who graduated college since 2006 expect greater success than their parents, a Rutgers survey found earlier this year. Little more than half were working full time. Just one in five said their job put them on a career path.

As the dream fades:

“I had a lot of faith in the system, the mythology that if you work really hard you can achieve anything, and the stock market always goes up,” says 2009 law school graduate Elizabeth Hallock, 33. “It was pretty naïve on my part.

And fingers are pointed:

Hallock is the named plaintiff in one of 14 lawsuits against some of the nation’s best-known law schools, including her alma mater, the University of San Francisco School of Law. The civil complaints, filed in 2011 and 2012, accuse the institutions of overstating graduates’ job-placement results and incomes.

 

Young Americans are struggling to reconcile their lack of economic rewards with their relatively privileged upbringings by Baby Boomer parents and the material success of their older peers, Generation X, born in the late 1960s and 1970s...

But whose fault is it?

“It’s a generation that had really high expectations, in some part driven by the way they were raised by their boomer parents,” she says. “Yet in the past five years they have had reality slammed in their face by the employment situation.”

As...

The same housing crash that hammered young architects and loan officers also slammed lawyers. Law schools are turning out about 45,000 degree holders a year for about 25,000 full-time positions available to them, according to the National Association for Law Placement Inc. in Washington. The class of 2011 had the lowest placement with law firms, 49.5 percent, in 36 years.

 

“It is not the perfect path to wealth and success that people may have envisioned,” says Robin Sparkman, editor in chief of The American Lawyer magazine in New York.

Which is leading to lawsuits - by the new lawyers against their schools...

“It’s hard to look at the information the schools were putting out and say it’s not misleading,” says Derek Tokaz, research director of the nonprofit Law School Transparency initiative. It published research showing that the chance of recent graduates getting permanent full-time work in law was far lower than the 80-95 percent total employment rates the schools typically boasted.

But for some - a new different life is peeking through...

“As it is, all of my possessions still fit in the back of my truck,” she says. “I can pack it in a couple hours, pick up the trailer and horses and move anywhere the gas tank will take me at the drop of a hat. What can the system take away from you when you have that kind of freedom?

 


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Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Central Bankster
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Just because you're part of a group responsible doesn't make you personally responsible. I'm gen y and think that as a group we get what we deserve but I tried hard and don't feel bad when people talk bad about gen y. 

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 02:02 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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I'm an American, born and raised in the U.S., but I'll be damned if I will accept blame for the carpet bombing of Dresden or the use of atomic weapons on Hiroshima or Nakasake, which were military tactics clearly intended to cause massive civilian casualties and the demoralization of the civilian populace (despite claims to the contrary), clearly violative of the just war framework and basic tenets of morality.

I hadn't even been born yet when those actions were undertaken.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:16 | Link to Comment Bollixed
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Same here, RB. Baby Boomers - born 1946 - 1964...

Yea, we started the Vietnam War when our average age was 11 at the time. Go ahead, blame us for that. We took the country off the Gold paradigm in 1971 when our average age was 16. Go ahead, blame us for that. Yes, it was surely us who planted the seeds that grew into the ugly trees we see today.

Go ahead and blame us for all the Nation's problems if it makes you feel better. Surely it's easier to point fingers than take personal responsibility for changing things in your own life.

Yup, go ahaed and blame the Boomers, I'm sure there's an app for that...

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:37 | Link to Comment Ralph Spoilsport
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These whelps are just getting started Bollixed. The app is called "The Blame Game" and it runs on Android and iOS.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:18 | Link to Comment Dingleberry
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Here is why you Boomers SUCK.

YOU were born into generational wealth and opportunity the likes of which the world had never seen.  YOU brought us drugs, divorce, mass abortions, and consumerism as a state religion. YOU brought us the complete and utter destruction of the family, and turned our schools into feral zoos.  Tell me Boomers, how many spouses have you had (each)? How much whoring and drugs did you do compared to your parents? Think that didn't have an affect on your offspring? 

Maybe in your next life, you may want to look up "responsibility" and "self-restraint" and try living a life with a semblance of those traits.  Try not to confuse "freedom" with those. 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:31 | Link to Comment Ralph Spoilsport
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You are indeed a dingleberry, dangling from the anal hairs of the cosmos. Not guilty of any of the laundry list of sins you so soothly portrayed in your angry rant?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 16:05 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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Just admit your generational irresponsibility. 

 

Instead of spewing proof with regressive rationalization.

 

You all did what you were told, TV drones.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 18:21 | Link to Comment flattrader
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And you're such a maverick?

Please tell us how "your" generation is changing things for the better.

 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 23:13 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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Better for your generation, we are STILL paying for, cankle.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:21 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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And YOU "Dingleberry" (name says it all, dangling shit ball) are out of your mind.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:29 | Link to Comment Kobe Beef
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Wow. two ad hominum attacks in a row. Dingleberry must be winning. When they cant refute your argument, they call you names.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:33 | Link to Comment Ralph Spoilsport
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This is Fight Club after all.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:37 | Link to Comment Jam Akin
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There is some truth in your accusation but no generation is without sin and neither is every member of a generation equally culpable.  Gross generalization is wrong.  Be more accurate in your targeting of root cause of problems and you will make a more effective argument, son.

The Gen Y folks among us actually were born into much more material prosperity than most boomers enjoyed in their childhoods.  As we were compared with our parents who were born in or survived the  Great Depression.  It is a bitch to deal with expectations unfulfilled, ain't it?  

And, by the way, the closest this country came to the edge of genuine chaos/revolution in my lifetime was in 1968.  The "Great Society"/entitlement programs bought off the problem and pushed it into the future.  We are still grappling with the costly aftermath of that major change in the role of government today.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 22:14 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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well said

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 23:20 | Link to Comment Jam Akin
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Thanks Davey - Best wishes for the New Year to you and yours.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 15:30 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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same

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 21:59 | Link to Comment ronaldawg
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I'm a late (after 1960) white collar boomer who isn't going to stand for having the Social Security and Medicare programs, WHICH I HAVE PAID FOR SINCE 1974, given to some illegal alien piece of shit. 

In my mind, any dilution of my benefits THAT I ALREADY PAID for is war.  So bring it bitchez....

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 16:09 | Link to Comment Chuck Walla
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not the greatest generation....but their kids, the selfish dirtbag baby boomers that have destroyed this country.

As a Boomer, I believe he has it right. Socialism sounds so gooooood!

 

Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good.

 

~ Thomas Sowell 

Dingle also makes valid points. Abortion has caused a devaluation of life. Guns are the same as they ever were. It must be something else that has these cretins killing.

 

 

FORWARD SOVIET!

 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 19:13 | Link to Comment meltdown
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Ahhem, FUCK YOU

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:26 | Link to Comment fiftybagger
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And now they will be euthanized by the people they put in power.  Very sad.

Silver For The People

http://www.brotherjohnf.com/

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:20 | Link to Comment flattrader
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Sonny, you really think the Greatest Generation left a failed, corrupt government, rising debt, blah, blah, blah to the next???

Which generation was at the helm in 1913?

We could even go back further if you like.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:52 | Link to Comment Imminent Crucible
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Spoilsport Ralph gets an A purely on the basis of oratory. Even if I didn't agree with his assessment of the Dingle, I'd have to thumb him up for the luminosity of his verbiage.

But flattrader, why do you talk about going back further in history? Dingle knows no history, no Civil War, no Depression, no Agent Orange. He thinks the universe began at his birth. EVERTHING was peachy-keen until those focking boomers. You know, those 18 year old grunts who got punji-sticked in a steaming southeast Asian shithole because the GREATEST GENERATION sent them there to do something, nobody knows what. I guess make the world safe for Monsanto.

Try this: "Lyndon Baines Johnson, Poster Boy for the Greatest Generation." I'm thinking not.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 16:12 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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Imminent Crucible

 

Please skip glorification of victimization.

The theme of which is "Me me me meee me meee me"

 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 19:18 | Link to Comment Imminent Crucible
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@Dog: Please skip glorification of victimization.  The theme of which is "Me me me meee me meee me"

Sorry, dog. You're completely mistaken about that. I never saw Vietnam because my draft lottery number was 257. But I had many friends and a favorite cousin who never recovered from their Vietnam tours. Along with about 58,000 other guys who never made it back at all.

So check for colon polyps while you're in there.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 22:03 | Link to Comment ronaldawg
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Sorry but i'm a little confused here - by "Greatest Generation" we mean the generation that fought WWII - therefore they would have to be born from 1920-1925.   That would make you in the 82-87 age range if you were in that generation.

Sorry but most of those people are fucking dead.  The people who caused the problem are THEIR children - the fucko last 50's early 60's generation - ala the HIPPIES.

 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 23:17 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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Are they not titled Hippie-crits. Thought so.

Either that, or Whiners.

 

Loving the obituaries, every damn day.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 16:08 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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flattrader,


We can go back to the genetic separation from chimps and bobo monkeys. 

Enough for you?

Kick the can, can kicker.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 18:02 | Link to Comment flattrader
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I can tell you don't know nuthin' bout history, aren't interested in learning, but are good at whining.

Are you a Gen Y'er?

Might be good to know who manufactured the can.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 23:36 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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You can "tell" as much as you so chose.

Comprehending is not your forte. 

Assumptions, seemingly are.

Bravo.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 09:22 | Link to Comment flattrader
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You think yourself capable of clever retort. Good for you.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 17:31 | Link to Comment ajax
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 All of you please enough of this "The Greatest Generation". What the hell is wrong with all of you?? That moniker, that handle was invented/coined by journalist Tom Brokaw!! I'm sure that a lot of you still have living relatives among your close family and extended family who were born between 1900/05 and 1924/25 ... I do and I can assure you they did not come up with that moniker for themselves and they don't like it either. In my family two of them, John and George (brothers) aren't able to write complaints to Brokaw: John died age 26 at Tarawa in 1943 and George age 25 died from sniper fire at Vire (France) in 1944.

 The draft?? The draft you say?? A general military draft in the USA in 2013 or later?? Just who is fit for duty in the USA? Have you seen the obesity and diabetes statistics for America's youth lately?

 

 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 19:32 | Link to Comment Guy Fawkes Mulder
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In the Poker-Chip-Capitalist's ("bankster")'s dream world, they will hire any willing global citizen to remotely operate the machines of war to kill all serious opposition. Most ideal would be to train obedient artificial intelligences to do the same work with the data they already have. The tried-and-true formula of inciting proxy wars between human dupes to fend off potential threats to their world order will still be their bread-and-butter. Praetorian guard "super-soldiers" packed with transhuman enhancements are also on their make-the-dream-true agenda.

I think they call it "smart power". Max Keiser and I suggest we ask Tony Blair in his London bunker what he calls it.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 00:34 | Link to Comment mkkby
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bobnoxy, that is the most whining pussy comment in ZH history.  Okay, not quite. 

But this whole blaming of others is really tiring, cry baby bullshit.  We were all born into a system we have no control over.  You must be the kind of wimp that blames his parents for his lot in life.  Get out and make something of yourself.  Or sit around and play video games and fantasize about how someone else is to blame for your sad existence.

I'm amazed so many people on ZH green arrowed you.  Thinking that a vote matters or a party matters is pure sheeple talk.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:40 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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My Grandfather, a depression-era guy, told me a long time ago about the "3rd generation curse."  Goes like this:  First generation works their fingers to the bone starting something, Second generation gets rich off of it, Third generation burns it to the ground and fritters away all the money.

WW II generation, Boomers, and..... yep, looks like we're right on track.

 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:43 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Clogs to clogs in three generations is a very old saying.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:44 | Link to Comment toxic8
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A boy and his dog?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:58 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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I hope my generation burns this shit to the ground, we'd finally prove we can grow a pair.

But your grandfather is so right.  The boomers really sold us a reality that never existed, and it probably took us way to long to wake up before it goes to ruins.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:14 | Link to Comment Salon
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Everybody wins in the largest credit expansion history has ever seen.

At least those who get to live in its time frame

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:31 | Link to Comment koncaswatch
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Correct.

The phsycological relationship to the term "credit" fostered the consumerism that led many of us to beleive anything is possible with a little education and hard work. The reality is that the proper term is "debt expansion" and now the piper is expecting to be paid.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 15:54 | Link to Comment Imminent Crucible
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How 'bout we just stiff the piper, same as we stiffed everyone else and got stiffed in return.

Remember, "The first one to default wins."

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:38 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Burn away. When you've finished, the only thing you'll find left is trap of dependency created by the banksters. Believe me, they will fully apprecrieate your efforts at destroying their competition, empowered by your "pair."

Ever heard of the oldest trick in the book? It's called, "Let's you and him fight!" (World Wars, anyone?)

Your only hope is to learn to evade and avoid traps. Anything less is merely a new game, which you won't recognize as such, until it's too late.

(World's Oldest Xer)

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Tippoo Sultan
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I would submit that the fortunes of the "forty-something" direct offspring of the "Boomer" group -- "Generation X" -- are but marginally better than their "thirty-something" peers.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:41 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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We got jobs! W00t! (and some, the facade of a pension)

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:09 | Link to Comment cornflakesdisease
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First generation men come back from war will moral, spiritual, and emotional values trashed out and wrecked by their experiences and become emotionally unplugged.  Live for today because you could be dead tommorrow.

 

Their children inturn seek to fill in all the emotional emprtiness by Dad being disconected by pursuing material goods and emotional highs (sex, fun, vacation, big car) etc.  Anything to fill in the holes.

 

Their children in turn grow up in the wreckage of that vacuum and failed pursuits and are !@#$% all up by debt laden parents, divorce, no spiritual guide, no moral guides etc etc.

 

Technoogy changes, but people do not nor do their emotional needs.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 00:38 | Link to Comment mkkby
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You must have a PhD to be that stupid.  After WWII there were lots of jobs selling into A DESTROYED FUCKING WORLD that needed everything.  Where you got this psycho babble I'll never know.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:58 | Link to Comment cornflakesdisease
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First generation men come back from war will moral, spiritual, and emotional values trashed out and wrecked by their experiences and become emotionally unplugged.  Live for today because you could be dead tommorrow.

 

Their children inturn seek to fill in all the emotional emprtiness by Dad being disconected by pursuing material goods and emotional highs (sex, fun, vacation, big car) etc.  Anything to fill in the holes.

 

Their children in turn grow up in the wreckage of that vacuum and failed pursuits and are !@#$% all up by debt laden parents, divorce, no spiritual guide, no moral guides etc etc.

 

Technology changes, but people do not nor do their emotional needs.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:34 | Link to Comment Nehweh Gahnin
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Great aphorism NoDebt, and I hear it translates into Arabic, too.  (My father rode a camel...)

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Silver Bully
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"WW II generation, Boomers, and...."

You forgot the Silent Generation. First you had the G.I. Generation, then the Silent Generation, then the Boomers. Yep, looks like we're right on track.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:41 | Link to Comment tmosley
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The "greatest generation" was nothing but bankster puppies.  They fought their wars for them without question, and allowed their nation's money to be corrupted, co-opted, and finally stolen right out from under their noses.  They valued jingoism over patriotism.  The baby boomers had no choice.  They tried to rebel, but they embraced the wrong ideology.  The principles of the free market had been twisted by the preceeding generation, and still appeared to give abundant fruit, rather than disclosing the truth--they were consuming the seed corn.  

It's time to return to free banking and free markets.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:23 | Link to Comment TheSilverJournal
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Free markets and capitalism can't exist without free banking. Money is 1/2 of every transaction.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:51 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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When a majority or even significant plurality of the sheople realize that multi-colored fiat paper (and its electronic equivalent) has a real worth that actually relates to its inherent value & the actual (endless/bottomless) volume of supply, it will be as interesting as it always has been, historically speaking.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:50 | Link to Comment Magically Delicious
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Well said.  The boomers didn't create the welfare-warfare state we have now, the "greatest generation" did.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:51 | Link to Comment ElvisDog
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I know enough of a sample size to say that the only concern of the "greatest generation" with regards to the fiscal cliff is that no one touches their medical benefits. Any comments that 9% growth in federal medical expenditures is unsustainable falls on deaf ears. They don't give a shit for any generation after them if that jeopardizes their $400 monthly prescription drug bill and that hip replacement they have scheduled for next year.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:41 | Link to Comment flattrader
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Tea Party fucks wrecked a very good opportunity to cut Medicare costs and give people an opportunity to decide just how much pointless health care they wanted at the end of life.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120346411

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/03/AR200909...

>>>The town's biggest hospital, Gundersen Lutheran, has long been a pioneer in ensuring that the care provided to patients in their final months complies with their wishes. More recently, it has taken the lead in seeking to have Medicare compensate physicians for advising patients on end-of-life planning.

The hospital got its wish this spring when House Democrats inserted that provision into their health-care reform bill -- only to see former Alaska governor Sarah Palin seize on it as she warned about "death panels" that would deny care to the elderly and the disabled. Despite widespread debunking, those warnings have led lawmakers to say they will drop the provision.<<<

Initially it was propsed by a Republican.

http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2009/08/11/gop-senator-end-of-life-counseling-is-not-a-death-panel/

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2009/08/14/senator...

“We dropped end-of-life provisions from consideration entirely because of the way they could be misinterpreted and implemented incorrectly,’’ Grassley said. “Maybe others can defend a bill like the [House] bill that leaves major issues open to interpretation, but I can’t.’’

However, other Republicans, including Senators Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Johnny Isakson of Georgia - who sponsored similar legislation - have said Palin’s claim was hurting the party’s attempts to influence the bill.

Portions of the Democratic health care bills “are bad enough that we don’t need to be making things up,’’ Murkowski said, repeating a phrase Palin used last month when announcing her resignation as Alaska’s governor, when she asked the news media to “quit making things up.’’

Isakson said it was “nuts’’ to claim the bill encourages euthanasia.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:04 | Link to Comment AynRandFan
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How much health care do you want at your end of life?  Counseling people to give up on life is wrong.

Most states have a law that makes it illegal for counselors to advise in favor of divorce.  But, you want a law that encourages people to die.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:18 | Link to Comment flattrader
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You are an idiot.

Advising and assisting patients to fill out an advanced directive/health care POA when they are well and in full control of their faculties was the point of the new provision.

Tea Party fucks painted it just like you did...pulling the plug on Granny.

>>>How much health care do you want at your end of life?  Counseling people to give up on life is wrong.<<<

The issue is how much pointless care do you want at the end of life?  And if you haven't thought it through and left legally binding instructions, others may make the decisions for you...like being hooked up to tubes in an IC Unit and tortured to get a few extra weeks, days or hours when pallative hospice care would have been less intrusive, more humane and preferable...had you only been presented with the option while you were well.

>>>Counseling people to give up on life is wrong.<<<

Go pedal your religious crap somewhere else.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:38 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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ARF, ARF is just another who thinks they'll get outta here alive. 

Had a friend who's mother died just b4 Xmas. I was edumacated on another lock you in twist in our beloved health care industrial complex. 

If her mother refused to be admitted to the hospital against the directing physicians orders, insurance would not pay. You'd think they'd clamor to save a buck. Once you're in the system, it's like a prison & you'd be well advised to have your HIPPA in order. 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 16:30 | Link to Comment flattrader
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>>>If her mother refused to be admitted to the hospital against the directing physicians orders, insurance would not pay.<<<

You mean they would not allow her to opt for hospice care in home or some other location?

I would like some details on where this happened, what hospital, which insurer etc...

There are some time limits regarding re-enrollment in hospice care, if you had previously enrolled in hospice and then withdrew for some reason.

I have never heard of anyone being prevented from enrolling or being forced to persue medical care versus hospice care at end of life.

Edit--

She may not have been in one of the 44 states and DC where hospice is covered under Medicaid? Or had lousy insurance?

http://www.hospicedirectory.org/cm/about/choosing/myths_facts

Myth: A patient needs Medicare or Medicaid to afford hospice services.
Reality:
Although insurance coverage for hospice is available through Medicare and in 44 states and the District of Columbia under Medicaid, most private insurance plans, HMOs, and other managed care organizations include hospice care as a benefit. In addition, through community contributions, memorial donations, and foundation gifts, many hospices are able to provide patients who lack sufficient payment with free services. Other programs charge patients in accordance with their ability to pay.

 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 23:26 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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IMO, she should have been in hospice. But it was her decision to try any & all treatment afforded her. A very strong will to live. Therein lies the catch. This was with HIPPA & durable power of atty papers in order. 

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 09:26 | Link to Comment flattrader
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Wow.  Usually people who bother with HIPPA and a durable POA have a more realistic view of active or agressive medical treatment if they are terminally or chronically ill.

Some people can't face death...On a long enough time...

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 16:26 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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tmosley,

 

The boomers were led to there choices, as those before. To think or state otherwise is

hilarious. Once a sheep, always a sheep.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:46 | Link to Comment Snakeeyes
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My father-in-law, an alleged Republican, voted for Obama because he beleived that Romney would cut Medicare (although Obama already had). He was a WWII vet but all of his family votes for unafforable safety nets. Why? Because Paul Krugman said it isn't an issue!!!!!

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/santelli-if-the-fisca...

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:15 | Link to Comment Freddie
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A distant in-law relative voted for mullah too.  He was union and dumb as dirt.  If the union told him white people were evil and he is white, he would believe it.   Stupid robot and he is proud of being union ignorant.

The Dems, TV and Hollywood are on the evil white sh*t 24x7.  I stopped watching their sh*t years ago.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:58 | Link to Comment ElvisDog
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Smithsonian magazine has a cover story this month on whether people are genetically pre-disposed to be "evil". The baby on the cover is a white boy. Can you imagine the outrage if their cover baby had been black/latino/asian? Enough said.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:06 | Link to Comment Ralph Spoilsport
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Another good read in this issue of Smithsonian is the interview with Jaron Lanier.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:21 | Link to Comment Freddie
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This is why, years ago, I cut out TV, Hollywood, magazines, newspapers or any other media plus the sports crap like NFL.  I will pay zero for any of their sh*t and avoid all of it. 

This is really big with the Madison Ave ad agencies.   The TV commercials are the worst offenders.  Advertisers like Fed Ex and many others especially anything in a corporate environment.

The dumb person is always the white guy.  Always.  Once in a blue moon it might be an asian guy.  Never ever will it be a woman of color looking like the fool in the ads.  The criminal breaking in the house in the alarm ad or AllState commercials - white guy.   It is all full on propaganda.  Ditto in movies.  I watch nothing but did see a sci fi movie at a friends house.  The bad or weak guys were white.  

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:46 | Link to Comment Slightly Insane
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I love to be the target of "propaganda", as it is proof that not only am I interesting, but that "I'm right", and of course "blanco"

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 00:48 | Link to Comment mkkby
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You haven't watched TV in years, yet you always know all about it.

Your comments are repetitive and stupid unless you are 12.  It used to be all the criminals and idiots were played by black actors.  Just watch a few older movies and TV shows.   Just for research.  Starting in the 60s black groups started protesting and boycotting.  That's why it's white actors now.  It's non-offensive to minorities. 

But you stick with your tin foil conspiracies because you have neither the history nor the intelligence to understand.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 16:32 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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ElvisDog

 

A gesture of truth.

How many serial killers were NOT crackers?

We the whiteys, kill kill kill.

 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:28 | Link to Comment Shell Game
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I have relatives and close friends who are highly intelligent and voted for 'Oh'.  Two observations - a highly complex monetary system can fool anyone, independent of IQ, and, participation in the 'two party' sham and the support of perceived lesser evils is also independent of IQ.

 

It is the rebelious spirit that questions authority who is the revealer of truth and the breaker of chains....

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:24 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Define highly intelligent?  They are clueless f***tards. 

 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 16:36 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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Highly programmed, not "clueless f***tards" is the result.

 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:04 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Hope & Change bitchez!   You voted for it kiddies. 

Not that the RINO Rove/Bush/Romney/NWO alternative is much better.  Sort of like voting for Dante's Inferno Hell or voting to live in New Jersey.  The kiddies love their hipster Allah. 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:44 | Link to Comment AgAu_man
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I agree. But what does that say about the "greatest" generation?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:53 | Link to Comment ToNYC
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Gen-Y just had the misfortune of getting to the beggar-thy-neighbor buffet when the check came due. 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:42 | Link to Comment Slightly Insane
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You may be correct .... then I also suppose that when the dust settles, there will inevitably be fewer members of that generation (Boomers)

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 22:53 | Link to Comment Tommy Gunner
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Go out and buy a Glock at the 711 then waste your parents and grandparents.  These greedy bastards are responsible for what awaits you - dumpster diving out back of Burger King.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 22:58 | Link to Comment akak
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Hey, it seems to work well enough for the gulls and ravens right now ...

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 11:26 | Link to Comment happycrow
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Irony is, all us cynical Gen-X bastards actually more or less managed okay for ourselves.  Not in comparison to people who got to earn REAL money, mind you, but enough that clawing our way into the middle class where one layoff wouldn't destroy our families was still a possibility given effort and patience.

I don't know WHAT to tell Y and the Milennials; it's too late for anything we could say to make a difference.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:21 | Link to Comment ultraticum
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The last paragraph says it all.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:24 | Link to Comment SafelyGraze
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all-your-possessions-in-the-back-of-your-truck = shadow housing inventory

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:58 | Link to Comment Chaos_Theory
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New revenue stream for the vampires...add a property tax bill to that truck!

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:52 | Link to Comment wisefool
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This will be the path of the GenY'ers. As mentioned before, the boomers tried to rebel from the naivete of the greatest generation, and adopted free love and credit. (they work well together, all those 2nd,3rd, 4th Marriage McMansion wedding gifts)

GenY is going to rebel by inventing even more complex taxation models. What else can you do with a worthless degree? Its the other half of the money spiggot the similarly educated banksters run.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:06 | Link to Comment ElvisDog
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The problem with the living-in-the-back-of-truck lifestyle is that might work when you're in your 20's, but it's not going to work so well when you reach your 40's, 50's, 60's.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 15:48 | Link to Comment SafelyGraze
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40s 50s 60s = second-hand trailer

don't knock it. we've been glad to have something that keeps the rain out (mostly).

and would it kill you to stop by once in a while? my, you've grown!

 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 16:48 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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moving from place to space repeatedly also benefits the land-lords, who charge you for "credit checks" as well as demand large up front "deposits" that they can whittle down over time. . . locking one into "leases" that, when broken due to needing to move towards the next income source, default the agreement into claiming the deposit, irrespective of circumstances - rinse, repeat, NEXT!  more money made. . .

always a leech on the ass of every supposed "solution" out there, rentier class parasites.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:56 | Link to Comment pashley1411
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I think the 21st century will be a time of great mobility.   With an international business culture and language, the opportunity cost of not taking your skill set to business-friendly ethernet jack will be too glaring to ignore.  

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Magically Delicious
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Well said.  Millennials might actually benefit from being unable to afford houses and traditional careers.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 16:50 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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. . . and children, families.

no loyalties except to yer own income stream. . .

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:22 | Link to Comment SmoothCoolSmoke
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My favorite BS line is from Corporate America:  "We need more (hard) science graduates so we can compete globally"

Tell that to all the (hard) science grads, with great grades, of 2012 still looking work....they ain't hard to find.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:00 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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I think when "Corporate America" goes on the news and to the press and say, "We have a skills gap", I think that is Corporatese for "We need to find a way for these American engineers, manufacturer laborers, and scientists to accept Chinese niggard wages."

I can't wait for when the US is taken over by a Private Equity Group.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:51 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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I can't wait for the Corporates and Politicians to lose their personal bodyguards so we can have at 'em. It'll be cool watching mansions burn.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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"I can't wait for when the US is taken over by a Private Equity Group."

 

Federal Reserve.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:19 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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I never knew steamed milk was a hard science.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Guy Fawkes Mulder
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I had to look up "steamed milk" to figure out the joke.

(Believe me or not.)

Davey Jones I think I've given you the most +1's or (don't-junk-hims) of any ZHer in my time.

(Not a long-long time, but it's a lot of +1's and non-junks.)

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 22:36 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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thanks, it's just my pathetic therapy. The jester, expressing disgust and distrust

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Ricky Bobby
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Any consistent message from corporate amerika is straight up propaganda. They are an integral component of the Krony Kapatalist MIC. I worked in a few with teams of H1-b's. There is no doubt they are used because they are indentured. Can't change jobs without being sponsored by the new company where as a citizen could move to a higher bidder. Management does not like that. So when I hear the fucker Bill Gates spouting his BS makes me wanna puke.

 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 16:53 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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Gate's an embed. . . as in parasitical tick.

his gig is to re-purpose the fiat funneled his way into foundations doing the work of the "elites" who tolerate him.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 22:29 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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Dead on. I live in Gatesland and like the other amusement park with the same last name, most of it is fantasy, constantly seeking low wage workers from all over the world to keep the monopolies going. Microsoft had less to do with his computer abilities and a lot to do with his dad's big lawfirm approach to buying and controlling the market.   

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 00:52 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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This is an old joke for EEs.

I remember seeing a reader comment back in the mid '90s in the trade mag EE Times. The person argued (persuasively) that ALL the H1B visa jobs were a direct attack against American scientists and engineers, and the aim was to deliberately drive down wages. The subsequent data would seem to substantiate that claim.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:02 | Link to Comment Magically Delicious
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Out of the 6 members of my IT department, 3 studied Chemistry and 2 were Mech-E's

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:23 | Link to Comment babylon15
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So yeah who is gonna buy all these houses, bonds, and stocks at current prices again?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:22 | Link to Comment Salon
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It is nice to know that eventually gen Y and millenials will be so repulsed by this unsustainable intergenerational transfer as to put sn end to it.

And this old gen xer will stand up and applaud

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:34 | Link to Comment Ralph Spoilsport
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You mean stand up for a misguided principle and then sit back down on your own stool. Call your mom, she needs to wipe the drool off your chin again.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:45 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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Was that his chin?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:44 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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You mean, besides Kevin Henry?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 15:45 | Link to Comment ElvisDog
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who is gonna buy all these houses, bonds, and stocks

The answer, of course, is the central banks. The Fed is printing $1T a year to buy assets. How long before they literally own everything?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:24 | Link to Comment Banksters
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The stock market always goes up?

Not between 1929 and 1953!

 

 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:24 | Link to Comment Vint Slugs
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What a perfect irony:  Law student graduates suing their alma maters because they "accuse the institutions of overstating graduates’ job-placement results and incomes."

LOL

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:48 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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I guess there wasn't a math requirement that might've clued them in that 45k doesn't fit into 20k. Then again, I remember listening to the business majors talking behind me in one of my econ classes, and those kids didn't have a clue how math functions.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:49 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Hope the law grads takes down their own house of cards. There are way too many law schools. Time to close down the sham!!!

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:45 | Link to Comment spentCartridge
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Lawyers are all criminals, period.

Some of them, however, haven't figured that out yet, but perhaps this 'enlightening' episode will lead some of them to discover that setting out on a potential career involving fraud as a basic means of operation, is/was not a very good idea.

 

Edit ~ response to being downvoted by an unemployed lawyer ... LOL !!!

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:52 | Link to Comment ali-ali-al-qomfri
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agreed Vint,

“Hallock is the named plaintiff in one of 14 lawsuits against some of the nation’s best-known law schools, in…………...he civil complaints, filed in 2011 and 2012, accuse the institutions of overstating graduates’ job-placement results and incomes.

Has a lawyer ever overstated “I think we have case here”

really unimpressive that you fell for marketing trash and now you need someone to make you whole again.

Just wait ‘til the JAG’s file suit on ‘all you can be’ ; depressed, handicapped, traumatized, ptsd, medical experiment fodder, etc.

This generation does not know that the world/country owes you nothing; you are born with all you deserve. You make it happen.

are the frontiersman of yesteryear gonna start a law suit because “nobody told me there would be indigenous people protecting their 1000 year old hunting grounds….and bears, and snakes and impassable mountains…”  Go West Young Man. no head East.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:07 | Link to Comment ElvisDog
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I think it's hilarious. At least they learned a thing or two in law school.....

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:42 | Link to Comment U4 eee aaa
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Yes, I saw that as funny also. You don't want to be teaching law graduates too well if you're running a scam. Talk about coming back and biting you in the butt

That's about as dumb as teaching Afghans how to shoot guns

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:34 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Scum suing lying school scam scum.   I once had to go to a judge's chambers on a civil matter because a lawyer was too lazy to show up.  All these ****ers were plugged into the Democrat Party.  This is all they talked about in the waiting room.   Getting their people in so they can sue anybody and everybody.  Licensed extortion.  Total vermin. 

I did a little legal research and blew up their case even though I was not a party to the whole thing.  It took me about 2 hours and this was pre-internet.   Part of the irony is I am sure all of these rat sh*t idiots voted for O. 

He and the Dem 2006 Congress (everyone deserves a home & Franklin Raines at fannie is doing a wonderful job) blew it up and I would bet 95% of these kids and "law schools" voted for him.  Ditto the newspapers that are dying plus postal workers/post office.

 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:26 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Yes, they learned how to whine and blame others from their boomer parents.

That 95% includes lowly clerking duties...get used to it or make a name for yourself.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:40 | Link to Comment CashIsTrash
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I had a boomer tell me that loyalty equals a right to a pension.
That's how entitled this generation and generation X have become. The motto is work less, save even less, and force someone else to pay!

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:49 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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I think we need to be a little cautious about broad-brush statements.  There are those who choose (perhaps are forced) to live a miserable, dependent life and there are those who choose to be self-sufficient, even in the face of challenge.  No entire generation is comprised completely of the former; in my view the proportion has become larger, and unsustainably so. 

Envy and blame are complementary and self-reinforcing, and the too many sources - parents, schools, the MSM, etc. - feed them.  Discernment is becoming increasingly rare and valuable.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:19 | Link to Comment Salon
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As a gen x dude I witnessed the boomers pull up the ladder behind them

All the defined benefit plans were shut down three yearrs before i and the rest could qualify.

No sacrifice at all from the age 53 and above.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Ralph Spoilsport
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Is that you Joan Walsh?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:51 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Thing is, unless we're really sucessful at absorbing wealth from the world over, all generations battle over wealth. If it stopped in the US, it was due to the establishment of America'a "Superpower" status after WWII.

As the empire wanes, however...

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:52 | Link to Comment Dangertime
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I can second this.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:46 | Link to Comment Jam Akin
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Don't get too resentful.  What percentage of defined benefit plan participants under age 60 do you think will collect anything from their plans in dollars that are worth anything?  Doesn't matter your age or generation:  most everyone who is still alive will have been screwed over before this current phase in our "economic progress" is over with.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 01:02 | Link to Comment geekgrrl
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I'm thinking along the same lines... We're all going to be fucked. It's time to find another way.

My only hope is that we can try to stick together and not get into a civil war.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:21 | Link to Comment CashIsTrash
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Now your making broad-brush statements. Define a miserable life. Are you talking about slavery? My point is the elder generations have played this victim card since the recession of 2008, when many of them were out spending instead of saving. Too many people have become reliant on their loyalty to a company equating it to a right, it's not a right it's a privilege and a show of appreciation.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:26 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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    That's how entitled this generation and generation X have become.

You know X'ers with PENSIONS?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:27 | Link to Comment CashIsTrash
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Typo meant Gen Y

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:34 | Link to Comment oddjob
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Pensions are a bankers tool. Pulling the ladder up is akin to shooting yourself in the foot. Look down, that's a poor person with a match and nothing to lose.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:22 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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I have Gen Y kids and Gen Z kids.  The public education system told the Gen Y kids that they were all special and as long as it feels good it is good.  One of the Y kids came home from middle school one day and told me that if he just told them he was dumb he could get in a class with no homework.  He actually wanted to do it cause it was easy.  Well, I went up one side of him and down the other.  It was tough being a parent cause you had to deprogram Gen Y every f-ing day.  Fortunately, this seems to have swung at least a bit back for the Gen Z-ers.  The public ed system in my locale is teaching personal responsibility and self reliance now.  But Gen Y lost out on those formative years.  It is going to take most of them their entire lives to figure it out and the Gen Z-ers will eat them for lunch.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:39 | Link to Comment Freddie
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The public ed system in my locale is teaching personal responsibility and self reliance now.

Dude - where do you live? On Mars?

Maybe the local parents really got involved and tore the school board and locals schools a new one.  Or it is a very red state with sane people.  

Public Ed System and Personal Responsibility are mutually exclusive concepts. 

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 15:49 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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I am as amazed as you since the older kids were in the same school system.  Every kid in middle school gets a planner which includes the school rules.  You are required to carry the planner to every class and there are no excuses for missed homework.  What a concept!!!

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 21:33 | Link to Comment Freddie
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This is amazing. You should find out who was responsible and get all the parents to support this.  Personal responsibility - wow.  Incredible how it changed from one group of your olders kids to younger kids.  Awesome.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:45 | Link to Comment Top_Kill
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This is a clear sign the snake has almost completey devoured itself. It started with its tail in 1913. This is a clear sign that it has made it all the way to the neck. When banks start suing the FED you know it is over.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:22 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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Can anyone tell me one thing the younger generation is doing to solve the problems alledgedly caused by the older generation? 

Go ahead, name one single thing.

All I see is younger folks making it worse, going deeper in debt earlier in life than we ever did.

Is sky-high college tuition our fault?  Is taking on 50k of student loan debt our fault?  Is the shrinking job market our fault?  Is the govt trying to wipe out the middle class our fault?

Young people fail to recognize govt and big businesss have become more predatory in recent years.  That's not our fault, and younger people aren't doing one single thing to change it.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:36 | Link to Comment CashIsTrash
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That's like asking someone to leave a classroom full of kindergarteners with candy and soda pop and expecting them not to tear the place up

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 13:36 | Link to Comment CashIsTrash
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That's like asking someone to leave a classroom full of kindergarteners with candy and soda pop and expecting them not to tear the place up

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 14:07 | Link to Comment koncaswatch
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Ah yes; teaching the rewards of deferred gratification: the marshmello experiment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX_oy9614HQ

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 20:11 | Link to Comment Guy Fawkes Mulder
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"One thing": I'm here today saying the things I'm saying (check out my main website later if you aren't scared of stepping onto Google's servers and "Verisign-ers")

I probably will be doing something else tomorrow, speaking with a different community.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 17:15 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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cranky-old-geezer

 

... and where was your profit derived from?

 

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 01:43 | Link to Comment mkkby
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A hand full voted Ron Paul or went to occupy.  Most, however, can be found in front of a video game/TV or at the mall wasting what little resources they got from gov handouts, or those parents they resent so much.

I say stop all welfare for any able bodied adult who can stand on his/her 2 feet and isn't blind.  Hunger begets entrepreneurial spirit.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:25 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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"all of my possessions still fit in the back of my truck"

Hobo Nation. Good times...

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:26 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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"The stuff you own....owns you."

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:08 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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It's only a problem if you need stuff for you to be happy.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:55 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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"Your stuff is shit...and my shit...is stuff!" - GC

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 18:36 | Link to Comment e-recep
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i do need stuff to live in more comfort and security. what the fuck does happiness have anything to do with owning stuff??

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:35 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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Where does the important stuff fit?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:53 | Link to Comment fuu
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You are not your job, you're not how much money you have in the bank. You are not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You are not your fucking khakis. You are all singing, all dancing crap of the world.”

Being a hobo > being Jamie Dimon.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 12:23 | Link to Comment Freddie
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LOL!  But did Hobos have iPads and iPhone 5 back during the Depression and dustbowl?   Was a bowl of soup and a piece of bread like a new killer Twitter ap back during the Dust Bowl era?

WTF is it with these parents now?  They are helicopter parents for college students, pushing them to get more education (MAs, PhDs) in worthless subjects.  They let their kids get into more debt trying to fool themselves into thinking more edukayshun in useless majors/subjects will help them find a job in the Obam New Africs economy.

The kids crash and brun back to the couch or basement and the morons keep voting for the islamic.  The one with  sealed college records because he is an illiterate pot head.  What is with that sh*t? 

My guess is ma and pa today are still brainwashed by TV, Hollywood and the media.  Sick.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 11:29 | Link to Comment Everybodys All ...
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It's time to call for a Constitutional Convention.

 

Topic 1. End the Fed.

Topic 2. Restore rule of law.

Topic 3. Term limits for Congress.

This would restore confidence and a real economy would then begin allowing prosperity for all once again.

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