Another Bait And Switch: Congress Defeats E-Mail Privacy Legislation... Again

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

This is how the corporate state rolls.  They remove all the important stuff at the last minute, you know, like provisions that might actually protect constitutional rights.  This is exactly what they just did with the NDAA, which I outlined in my post The Section Preventing Indefinite Detention of Americans without Trial Removed from Final NDAA Bill.  Now we find out from Wired that:

The Senate late Thursday forwarded legislation to President Barack Obama granting the public the right to automatically display on their Facebook feeds what they’re watching on Netflix. While lawmakers were caving to special interests, however, they cut from the legislative package language requiring the authorities to get a warrant to read your e-mail or other data stored in the cloud.


But another part of the same Senate package — sweeping digital privacy protections requiring the government, for the first time, to get a probable-cause warrant to obtain e-mail and other content stored in the cloud — was removed at the last minute.


Currently, the government can obtain e-mail or other cloud documents without a warrant as long as the content has been stored on a third-party server for 180 days or more. The authorities only need to demonstrate, often via an administrative subpoena, that it has “reasonable grounds to believe” the information would be useful in an investigation.


Leahy has repeatedly sought to amend the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, but he finds little support for it among fellow lawmakers or with the President Barack Obama administration.

Repeat after me: Your Government Loves You.  Now go back to sleep.

Full Wired article here.

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Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:39 | 3100183 john39
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why would anyone use cloud computing?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:42 | 3100188 Joe moneybags
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why would anyone use cloud computing?

Uh, to forecast the weather?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:55 | 3100334 Looney
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Fucking Schwarzkopf! He should’ve taken out a few Banksters before he went! What a disgrace!  ;-)


P.S. Oh, and to those future "down-votes" - Fuck youZ! Your gubbermint assistance will run out soon! I hope ;-)

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:12 | 3100392 IndicaTive
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I just down-vote any post that pre-emptively insults future down-voters.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:14 | 3100397 nmewn
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It would have been nice to see who voted for & against the final bill.

Not that it will matter when they shut down the internet...but we would have some free time on our hands ;-)

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:26 | 3100422 A Lunatic
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Just so long as it's not these you find on your hands.........

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:50 | 3100477 nmewn
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It's not enough to simply restrain, now they have to shock and drug...they must be scrapping the bottom of the 4'5" 200lb. barrel over at hut hut gestapo drone

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:00 | 3100502 A Lunatic
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I see the laws they pass, I see the laws they want to pass, I see the abuse of authority, finances, and technology, (just to name a few) I see the willingness of my neighbor(s) to promote and sustain all this and more, and I am horrified at the probable outcome.............

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:30 | 3100582 nmewn
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My faith in "our neighbors" is a little shakey right now but ultimately I think we'll be OK.

The Christmas holiday was a good opportunity to talk with nieces, nephews, aunts and uncles who have no idea traffic cameras and mandatory seatbelt fines are not the norm (for example).

I and a few other adults explained the intrusiveness and heavy hand of the state for purely tax/fee/surcharge/ extraction purposes. Now they will go and talk to their peers and share it with them. Its what responsible people do.

They're not ready for corporate/government capture of our liberty for profit (and more taxation) but the weeds have now been beat down for another generation...clearing a path as it were.

And so it goes ;-)

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 23:14 | 3100661 Michaelwiseguy
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Through a long train of abuses of the people by our Federal Government, there is no doubt now that we have a criminal Federal Government running our country and at war with American civilians.

This is why there will be an armed Insurrection against the Federal Government of the United States, removing and replacing it, by the American people.

We need to form a Star Chamber of individuals and military, to decide who in congress needs to be eliminated by force first, taken out JFK style.

David Wilcock & Drake 2012-03-28 1-3 Mass Arrests


Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:08 | 3100527 upWising
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AT THIS POINT, all we can do is take some advice from the great comic, Lily Tomlin:

––“Things are going to get a lot worse before they get worse.”

––“Reality is the leading cause of stress amongst those in touch with it”

––“No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up”

––“We have reason to believe that man first walked upright to free his hands for masturbation.”

––“There will be sex after death, we just will not be able to feel it”

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:34 | 3100593 nmewn
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LaughIn, she was great ;-)

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:38 | 3100608 WmMcK
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"Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone you love"
- W. Allen

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 10:43 | 3101449 Dexter Morgan
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I was so nervous the first time I had sex...I was all alone.  Rodney Dangerfield

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:46 | 3100192 Shell Game
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A:  so they can 'baaah!' along with their peers...

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:02 | 3100244 tsx500
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HERE YOU GO ..........

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:07 | 3100256 Shell Game
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Much appreciated.  Because, I just don't get enough of 'em every day...

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:09 | 3100260 tsx500
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...and IF you liked that one , this one is even better (and shorter) !          

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:35 | 3100274 Yes We Can. But...
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I just a few minutes ago for the first time ever began to back-up my iphone to the icloud...three minutes in, 14 to go, I began reading this post....12 minutes to go, backup terminated/cancelled.

A few minutes before that, I opened a letter from my good friends with the DC Gumint, telling me I owe them $200 for some speed-camera issued ticket located in some new speed trap with a 35 mile an hour limit where *everyone* goes, and should go, 50 or more.  A few days ago, I read where DC issued a speed trap ticket to a parked car, for speeding.  Earlier today, I read that DC is doubling speed-trap-cams, having raised $85MM in short order recently.  Fucking fascist scum, bad people screwing good people.

My Gubmint is a fucking creep.  The less I have to do with the asswipe, the better.  No cloud, facebook, gmail, etc. for me.  And no checks to DC, where the entire Gubmint is run by criminals.

Man, it is getting ugly around this joint, fast.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:07 | 3100381 Thomas
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Years ago, while testifying to Congresss, Scott McNealy was asked about retaining privacy. His response, "You don't have any; get over it." While I disagree with the latter, the former seems true. 

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:49 | 3100475 Buckaroo Banzai
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Enjoyed your Year in Review segment on Capital Account. Love the way you started off by comparing yourself to Michael Lewis-- modest!

But seriously-- nice job.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:53 | 3100486 nmewn
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"My Gubmint is a fucking creep. The less I have to do with the asswipe, the better. No cloud, facebook, gmail, etc. for me. And no checks to DC, where the entire Gubmint is run by criminals."

Welcome to the jungle.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:34 | 3100596 WmMcK
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Welcome to the machine.
Welcome, my friend, to the show that never ends ...

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 23:36 | 3100711 tsx500
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welcome to the GRAND ILLUSION ,

come on in and see what's happening,

pay the price,get your tickets for the show !

the stage is set,the band starts playing,

suddenly your heart is pounding,

wishing secretly you were a star .....

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 01:26 | 3100960 geekgrrl
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Sorry for your misfortune, but I think your experience is one of those cases where it demonstrates that technology is not at all neutral.

Lots of people, even here, buy into that meme, but it is going to be proven wrong through hard experience.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 01:34 | 3100969 merizobeach
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"I read where DC issued a speed trap ticket to a parked car, for speeding."

Classic.  Reminds of a story a friend told me: a guy he knew went to court to challenge a speeding ticket; he submitted the radar gun used as evidence, then clocked the judge in his chair doing 125mph; case dismissed.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 05:01 | 3101090 Dabale arroz a ...
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Not all hope is lost. Apparently, some sheep are actually able to fight back

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:46 | 3100197 Fedophile
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You're probably using it right now and don't even know it.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:14 | 3100398 IndicaTive
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Correction: You are using it and probably don't even know it.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:47 | 3100201 icanhasbailout
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Because mainframe technology was just SO cool that it couldn't help but make a comeback?


Now you know why Janet Napolitano doesn't use email.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:54 | 3100222 Money 4 Nothing
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Or a man...

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:56 | 3100228 surf0766
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vm farms look more like mainframes that have been lpar'd

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:28 | 3100430 post turtle saver
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What was old is new again.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:43 | 3100459 Renewable Life
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People, get fucking serious, you can't have a police state, dominated by survalliance technology WITH privacy laws!!!!

Jesus, if this is shocking to you, I have a tour I want to take you on at the homeland security dept complex!!!!!

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:53 | 3100216 CH1
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why would anyone use cloud computing?

Because Microsoft, Google, Apple, Amazon, and the other giant fascists are building giant data centers and want to own ever-more of the Internet and your data.

And because the ads keep telling you that it's So, SOOOO cool.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:57 | 3100234 CClarity
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Great opportunity for a code writing entrepreneur to devise a product that scrubs the cloud every 175 days but reminds user how to back up critical content on a device to stick in a safe or something, out of the cloud, before automatic scrub erase.  It is technologically doable.  And then convenience of cloud could still be utilized.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:15 | 3100273 Freddie
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It is all stored in Utah at the NSA.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:44 | 3100335 Zap Powerz
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The mormons then use this information to target who they want to prosyltize.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:44 | 3100462 SnobGobbler
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no, no.. It's piped through utah.. scary.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 23:59 | 3100808 AgAu_man
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Dare I suggest that, as the best Preppers, the LDS crowd decided that "If d'you can't beat them, join them"?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:42 | 3100326 Ballin D
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The government is already collecting every email and text message that you send.  Whistleblowers have come out multiple times and told us this.  Text is too easy to record and store for them to not be doing it.


This changes nothing other than making it more legal for them to be doing so.  Theyll also be able to more openly use the data that theyve collected.  All-in-all nothing has changed and you wont beat the system with a workaround outside of avoiding the internet altogether.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:07 | 3100526 optimator
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there aren't enough people in the world to read everything they will store...

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:18 | 3100558 upWising
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In the former East Germany, the STASI had a similar tactic but they had to rely on index cards.  Millions upon tens of millions of index cards, filling buildings built just to hold the thousand and thousands of drawers that held the millions and millions of index cards. All the index cards filed by thousands of persons whose only job was to file the cards "in the right place." So many index cards they ultimately didn't know what to do with them.  Indeed, they didn't have search engines, but at the same time they didn't have to rely on electricity running constantly to "maintain" the index cards.  

As some collectors (think Beanie Babies) who "get carried away" can attest, it's not always true that "If a Little Is Good, A Lot is Better."  There must be some kind of a Malthusian point where it becomes overwhelming.

•DRINK alcohol.  (If a little is good, a lot is better)
•WATCH television  (and believe every word)
•Be VERY AFRAID  (They hate us for our Freedumb)
•DISPLAY your flag  (Decals count)
•TAKE your MEDICATION as directed  (A white lab coat just exudes wisdom and authority).



Thu, 12/27/2012 - 23:12 | 3100673 CH1
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there aren't enough people in the world to read everything they will store...

Umm... ever heard of computers? They're REALLY good at reading and analyzing text. Analyzing and storing every email on the planet is easy. They're doing it in Maryland right now and will shortly be doing it with better search features in Utah.

The State is an out-of-control beast, period.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 01:46 | 3100976 merizobeach
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"there aren't enough people in the world to read everything they will store..."

True, but that's not relevant.  Storage and analysis is all done by machine.  The only two humans left in the process are the guy that reads the analysis' recommendations and the guy who answers his phone call, the drone operator.  How soon will it be before they're replaced, too?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 09:06 | 3101220 agent default
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Just because you hit the delete button on your webmail/cloud/whatever, client and you cannot see the message in your inbox anymore you think it has been deleted for real? 

Sigh. There is one born every minute.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:59 | 3100238 SilverRhino
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Anything in the cloud or crossing the internet with less than 256 bit encryption is going to be stored and analyzed for keywords.   

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:09 | 3100263 The Abstraction...
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Nuclear terrorist white suprematicst vigilante, prepare to decode these instructions:




The launch codes are in there, somewhere.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:23 | 3100290 Yes_Questions
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I'm not sure but I think it said gang bang somewhere.

or big bang?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:42 | 3100455 Got_Nukes
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I don't see any launch codes in that mess.

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