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Another Bait And Switch: Congress Defeats E-Mail Privacy Legislation... Again

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

This is how the corporate state rolls.  They remove all the important stuff at the last minute, you know, like provisions that might actually protect constitutional rights.  This is exactly what they just did with the NDAA, which I outlined in my post The Section Preventing Indefinite Detention of Americans without Trial Removed from Final NDAA Bill.  Now we find out from Wired that:

The Senate late Thursday forwarded legislation to President Barack Obama granting the public the right to automatically display on their Facebook feeds what they’re watching on Netflix. While lawmakers were caving to special interests, however, they cut from the legislative package language requiring the authorities to get a warrant to read your e-mail or other data stored in the cloud.


But another part of the same Senate package — sweeping digital privacy protections requiring the government, for the first time, to get a probable-cause warrant to obtain e-mail and other content stored in the cloud — was removed at the last minute.


Currently, the government can obtain e-mail or other cloud documents without a warrant as long as the content has been stored on a third-party server for 180 days or more. The authorities only need to demonstrate, often via an administrative subpoena, that it has “reasonable grounds to believe” the information would be useful in an investigation.


Leahy has repeatedly sought to amend the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, but he finds little support for it among fellow lawmakers or with the President Barack Obama administration.

Repeat after me: Your Government Loves You.  Now go back to sleep.

Full Wired article here.


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Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:39 | 3100183 john39
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why would anyone use cloud computing?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:42 | 3100188 Joe moneybags
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why would anyone use cloud computing?

Uh, to forecast the weather?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:55 | 3100334 Looney
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Fucking Schwarzkopf! He should’ve taken out a few Banksters before he went! What a disgrace!  ;-)


P.S. Oh, and to those future "down-votes" - Fuck youZ! Your gubbermint assistance will run out soon! I hope ;-)

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:12 | 3100392 IndicaTive
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I just down-vote any post that pre-emptively insults future down-voters.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:14 | 3100397 nmewn
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It would have been nice to see who voted for & against the final bill.

Not that it will matter when they shut down the internet...but we would have some free time on our hands ;-)

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:26 | 3100422 A Lunatic
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Just so long as it's not these you find on your hands.........

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:50 | 3100477 nmewn
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It's not enough to simply restrain, now they have to shock and drug...they must be scrapping the bottom of the 4'5" 200lb. barrel over at hut hut gestapo drone

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:00 | 3100502 A Lunatic
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I see the laws they pass, I see the laws they want to pass, I see the abuse of authority, finances, and technology, (just to name a few) I see the willingness of my neighbor(s) to promote and sustain all this and more, and I am horrified at the probable outcome.............

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:30 | 3100582 nmewn
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My faith in "our neighbors" is a little shakey right now but ultimately I think we'll be OK.

The Christmas holiday was a good opportunity to talk with nieces, nephews, aunts and uncles who have no idea traffic cameras and mandatory seatbelt fines are not the norm (for example).

I and a few other adults explained the intrusiveness and heavy hand of the state for purely tax/fee/surcharge/ extraction purposes. Now they will go and talk to their peers and share it with them. Its what responsible people do.

They're not ready for corporate/government capture of our liberty for profit (and more taxation) but the weeds have now been beat down for another generation...clearing a path as it were.

And so it goes ;-)

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 23:14 | 3100661 Michaelwiseguy
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Through a long train of abuses of the people by our Federal Government, there is no doubt now that we have a criminal Federal Government running our country and at war with American civilians.

This is why there will be an armed Insurrection against the Federal Government of the United States, removing and replacing it, by the American people.

We need to form a Star Chamber of individuals and military, to decide who in congress needs to be eliminated by force first, taken out JFK style.

David Wilcock & Drake 2012-03-28 1-3 Mass Arrests


Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:08 | 3100527 upWising
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AT THIS POINT, all we can do is take some advice from the great comic, Lily Tomlin:

––“Things are going to get a lot worse before they get worse.”

––“Reality is the leading cause of stress amongst those in touch with it”

––“No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up”

––“We have reason to believe that man first walked upright to free his hands for masturbation.”

––“There will be sex after death, we just will not be able to feel it”

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:34 | 3100593 nmewn
nmewn's picture this the party to whom I am speaking?

LaughIn, she was great ;-)

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:38 | 3100608 WmMcK
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"Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone you love"
- W. Allen

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 10:43 | 3101449 Dexter Morgan
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I was so nervous the first time I had sex...I was all alone.  Rodney Dangerfield

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:46 | 3100192 Shell Game
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A:  so they can 'baaah!' along with their peers...

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:02 | 3100244 tsx500
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HERE YOU GO ..........

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:07 | 3100256 Shell Game
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Much appreciated.  Because, I just don't get enough of 'em every day...

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:09 | 3100260 tsx500
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...and IF you liked that one , this one is even better (and shorter) !          

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:35 | 3100274 Yes We Can. But...
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I just a few minutes ago for the first time ever began to back-up my iphone to the icloud...three minutes in, 14 to go, I began reading this post....12 minutes to go, backup terminated/cancelled.

A few minutes before that, I opened a letter from my good friends with the DC Gumint, telling me I owe them $200 for some speed-camera issued ticket located in some new speed trap with a 35 mile an hour limit where *everyone* goes, and should go, 50 or more.  A few days ago, I read where DC issued a speed trap ticket to a parked car, for speeding.  Earlier today, I read that DC is doubling speed-trap-cams, having raised $85MM in short order recently.  Fucking fascist scum, bad people screwing good people.

My Gubmint is a fucking creep.  The less I have to do with the asswipe, the better.  No cloud, facebook, gmail, etc. for me.  And no checks to DC, where the entire Gubmint is run by criminals.

Man, it is getting ugly around this joint, fast.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:07 | 3100381 Thomas
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Years ago, while testifying to Congresss, Scott McNealy was asked about retaining privacy. His response, "You don't have any; get over it." While I disagree with the latter, the former seems true. 

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:49 | 3100475 Buckaroo Banzai
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Enjoyed your Year in Review segment on Capital Account. Love the way you started off by comparing yourself to Michael Lewis-- modest!

But seriously-- nice job.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:53 | 3100486 nmewn
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"My Gubmint is a fucking creep. The less I have to do with the asswipe, the better. No cloud, facebook, gmail, etc. for me. And no checks to DC, where the entire Gubmint is run by criminals."

Welcome to the jungle.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:34 | 3100596 WmMcK
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Welcome to the machine.
Welcome, my friend, to the show that never ends ...

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 23:36 | 3100711 tsx500
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welcome to the GRAND ILLUSION ,

come on in and see what's happening,

pay the price,get your tickets for the show !

the stage is set,the band starts playing,

suddenly your heart is pounding,

wishing secretly you were a star .....

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 01:26 | 3100960 geekgrrl
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Sorry for your misfortune, but I think your experience is one of those cases where it demonstrates that technology is not at all neutral.

Lots of people, even here, buy into that meme, but it is going to be proven wrong through hard experience.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 01:34 | 3100969 merizobeach
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"I read where DC issued a speed trap ticket to a parked car, for speeding."

Classic.  Reminds of a story a friend told me: a guy he knew went to court to challenge a speeding ticket; he submitted the radar gun used as evidence, then clocked the judge in his chair doing 125mph; case dismissed.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 05:01 | 3101090 Dabale arroz a ...
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Not all hope is lost. Apparently, some sheep are actually able to fight back

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:46 | 3100197 Fedophile
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You're probably using it right now and don't even know it.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:14 | 3100398 IndicaTive
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Correction: You are using it and probably don't even know it.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:47 | 3100201 icanhasbailout
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Because mainframe technology was just SO cool that it couldn't help but make a comeback?


Now you know why Janet Napolitano doesn't use email.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:54 | 3100222 Money 4 Nothing
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Or a man...

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:56 | 3100228 surf0766
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vm farms look more like mainframes that have been lpar'd

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:28 | 3100430 post turtle saver
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What was old is new again.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:43 | 3100459 Renewable Life
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People, get fucking serious, you can't have a police state, dominated by survalliance technology WITH privacy laws!!!!

Jesus, if this is shocking to you, I have a tour I want to take you on at the homeland security dept complex!!!!!

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:53 | 3100216 CH1
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why would anyone use cloud computing?

Because Microsoft, Google, Apple, Amazon, and the other giant fascists are building giant data centers and want to own ever-more of the Internet and your data.

And because the ads keep telling you that it's So, SOOOO cool.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:57 | 3100234 CClarity
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Great opportunity for a code writing entrepreneur to devise a product that scrubs the cloud every 175 days but reminds user how to back up critical content on a device to stick in a safe or something, out of the cloud, before automatic scrub erase.  It is technologically doable.  And then convenience of cloud could still be utilized.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:15 | 3100273 Freddie
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It is all stored in Utah at the NSA.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:44 | 3100335 Zap Powerz
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The mormons then use this information to target who they want to prosyltize.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:44 | 3100462 SnobGobbler
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no, no.. It's piped through utah.. scary.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 23:59 | 3100808 AgAu_man
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Dare I suggest that, as the best Preppers, the LDS crowd decided that "If d'you can't beat them, join them"?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:42 | 3100326 Ballin D
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The government is already collecting every email and text message that you send.  Whistleblowers have come out multiple times and told us this.  Text is too easy to record and store for them to not be doing it.


This changes nothing other than making it more legal for them to be doing so.  Theyll also be able to more openly use the data that theyve collected.  All-in-all nothing has changed and you wont beat the system with a workaround outside of avoiding the internet altogether.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:07 | 3100526 optimator
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there aren't enough people in the world to read everything they will store...

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:18 | 3100558 upWising
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In the former East Germany, the STASI had a similar tactic but they had to rely on index cards.  Millions upon tens of millions of index cards, filling buildings built just to hold the thousand and thousands of drawers that held the millions and millions of index cards. All the index cards filed by thousands of persons whose only job was to file the cards "in the right place." So many index cards they ultimately didn't know what to do with them.  Indeed, they didn't have search engines, but at the same time they didn't have to rely on electricity running constantly to "maintain" the index cards.  

As some collectors (think Beanie Babies) who "get carried away" can attest, it's not always true that "If a Little Is Good, A Lot is Better."  There must be some kind of a Malthusian point where it becomes overwhelming.

•DRINK alcohol.  (If a little is good, a lot is better)
•WATCH television  (and believe every word)
•Be VERY AFRAID  (They hate us for our Freedumb)
•DISPLAY your flag  (Decals count)
•TAKE your MEDICATION as directed  (A white lab coat just exudes wisdom and authority).



Thu, 12/27/2012 - 23:12 | 3100673 CH1
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there aren't enough people in the world to read everything they will store...

Umm... ever heard of computers? They're REALLY good at reading and analyzing text. Analyzing and storing every email on the planet is easy. They're doing it in Maryland right now and will shortly be doing it with better search features in Utah.

The State is an out-of-control beast, period.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 01:46 | 3100976 merizobeach
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"there aren't enough people in the world to read everything they will store..."

True, but that's not relevant.  Storage and analysis is all done by machine.  The only two humans left in the process are the guy that reads the analysis' recommendations and the guy who answers his phone call, the drone operator.  How soon will it be before they're replaced, too?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 09:06 | 3101220 agent default
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Just because you hit the delete button on your webmail/cloud/whatever, client and you cannot see the message in your inbox anymore you think it has been deleted for real? 

Sigh. There is one born every minute.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:59 | 3100238 SilverRhino
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Anything in the cloud or crossing the internet with less than 256 bit encryption is going to be stored and analyzed for keywords.   

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:09 | 3100263 The Abstraction...
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Nuclear terrorist white suprematicst vigilante, prepare to decode these instructions:




The launch codes are in there, somewhere.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:23 | 3100290 Yes_Questions
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I'm not sure but I think it said gang bang somewhere.

or big bang?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:42 | 3100455 Got_Nukes
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I don't see any launch codes in that mess.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:32 | 3100587 seek
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If you have the right one-time-pad key, the launch/blow up codes for everything in the universe that has a code that long or shorter are in that message.

I've been seriously considering dedicating a PC and a geiger counter to filling a 500GB disk with nothing but random numbers. Given how insane the government is, the fact they haven't gone after encryption is shocking to me, so either they have some magic box that does the impossible (256 bit AES should genuinely be secure for multiple lifetimes of the universe) or they're confident they can pull the plug or control the internet when the time comes.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 02:00 | 3100991 Nobody For President
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42 BitCHeZ

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:44 | 3100336 vato poco
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"If you reveal your secrets to the wind, you should not blame the wind for revealing them to the trees" - Khalil Gibran

Or, if you like 'em more modern, this on computer security from Robert Morris, NSA's bossman of computer security:

"Morris' 3 Golden Rules of computer security: Do Not own a computer, Do Not power it on, and Do Not use one."


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 00:13 | 3100848 AgAu_man
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That's why Discrete info or conversations happen in low tech or no tech mode. And in places like yachts at sea, golf courses, churches, synagogues, mosques, walks, horseback rides, hikes, saunas, etc.

Get over your PC bullshit, brainwashed sheep.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:16 | 3100402 IndicaTive
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...and anything stronger than 256 gets fast-tracked into analysis.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:04 | 3100508 SilverRhino
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What really happens when the encryption is too strong. 

Scroll down to the comic

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 08:22 | 3101175 Bob
Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:05 | 3100522 optimator
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enkription  keewords storred  beet

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 23:14 | 3100676 CH1
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Anything in the cloud or crossing the internet with less than 256 bit encryption is going to be stored and analyzed for keywords

It's not even keywords anymore. They analyze content very accurately and well. And they especially analyze who talks to whom, when, how often, etc.

This IS a tyranny.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:30 | 3100304 Chupacabra-322
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“reasonable grounds to believe”

Yea, I have reasonable grounds to believe that every single Criminal Congressmen, Criminal elected official and Criminal Agencies need to be hunted down, arrested, prosecuted, tried and Executed for Treason, Crimes Against The American People and Crimes Against Humanity.

Yea, we have more than "reasonable grounds."

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:55 | 3100644 BlackChicken
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Maybe someone knows we are about to have our 100th monkey awakening. This would explain a lot about other stuff in the works to make sure we are defenseless.

Timing is everything right?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:47 | 3100343 Chupacabra-322
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FEMA Was Running a "Drill" Between 9am and 4pm on December 14th, in Connecticut!

Connecticut Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection --in conjuction with FEMA -- was running a drill at exactly 9:00 am - 4:00 pm, December 14, 2012, in Bridgeport, Connecticut.

This drill was called, "Planning for the Needs of Children in Disasters."

(Special thanks to TommyPaine who came up with the original links!)

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:49 | 3100349 CPL
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Create decoy accounts to fill with spam and junk.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:43 | 3100624 Dr. No
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Highlarrious. You gave me an idea. Create a Dropbox account just to upload my spam folders. Let the cloud choke.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:25 | 3100421 quadcap
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To send spam?  Bitcoin mining?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:23 | 3100568 WmMcK
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Why would anyone bury cans in the backyard?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:38 | 3100607 ball-and-chain
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It's just more fascism.

Bin Laden really did a job on us.

He turned us into a 3rd world banana republic.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:40 | 3100617 Dr. No
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It does have its uses. Just upload a few docs which outline how you love dems and repbs. You respect authority and overpay your taxes. Then just loose your password and sleep well.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:56 | 3100648 williambanzai7
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Thu, 12/27/2012 - 23:33 | 3100726 tsx500
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JFC i can't believe it took 35 effin minutes for someone (me) to green you on that  !      sweet work

would look great on a t-shirt

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 00:24 | 3100869 williambanzai7
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It's on a hat, shirt and mug if you want it.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 02:08 | 3100996 geekgrrl
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Thanks WB7. There's no better symbol for our lost liberty than Lady Liberty herself behind bars.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 03:59 | 3101060 NaN
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WB7:  Well Done! (The art, not the freedom abridgement.)


--Not a Number


Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:41 | 3100187 GMadScientist
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Repeat after me: Store it in the Cloud? Kiss it goodbye! Now wake up.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:47 | 3100189 NoControl
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Private encrypted virtual machine instance running email services.


Get yours now ;)


They can poke at it all they want...... just looks like a garble of random data.


Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:47 | 3100200 ZeroFreedom
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So who is selling these machines. Since it will make a great trade and I would like to purchase one.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:17 | 3100249 ShrNfr
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You can approach it from several directions. Parallels runs a nice virtual machine. You can put the machine up on a disk that is encrypted with TrueCrypt. Within that machine, you use something like GPGTools to encrypt your email. The GPGTools encrypted email is a public-private key system and looks pretty much like white noise. The machine itself resides on a disk that likewise looks like white noise. Hard to crack at a minimum, available with free software except for Parralels, but there are other free vm objects floating around out there. You can also Russian doll stuff if you are really paranoid, but for most of us that is overkill. One way to Russian doll things is to send the real message as an enclosure that has been encrypted with something like TrueCrypt. The GPGTools then throws a second layer on top. Personally, I just take the attitude that I never send anything that can't be posted on a large sign over a major highway in unencrypted form.


Bottom line, you do not need a dedicated piece of hardware.


But if you want to simulate the old German Enigma machines, here is a simulator:

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:06 | 3100254 GMadScientist
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Because all those computers at Langley are for show! ;)

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:46 | 3100469 optimator
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To the end of the war and beyond the Third Reich was positive their Enigma machine couldn't be cracked.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:44 | 3100195 Joe moneybags
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It's presposterous to think that the gov would or could find a way to mess with or dele  x tz  ....   pht............   ttt   #   .

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:47 | 3100202 q99x2
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High priority targets for email investigations are the Congress, Executive and Judicial branches of the US government.

They sign into law things that will render them completely at the mercy of others when TSHTF.

Who elects these morons. I did not vote for Feinstein. I did not.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:45 | 3100463 optimator
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I should think the FED would be a higher priority, and much more interesting.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:48 | 3100203 cherry picker
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Why are they wanting to lynch the guy from Wiki Leaks?  After all he only did to the government what they do to us.  Don't forget, the government is for the people, are they not?

Apparently they don't like being treated the same as the citizen.

That my friends is beyond hypocrisy as they have the WMDs, we don't.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:47 | 3100346 Zap Powerz
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Cops dont like to be video taped either, for some wierd reason.  In fact, its against the law.  But they have no problem video taping YOU.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:48 | 3100204 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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they hate us for our freedoms

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:34 | 3100310 Mercury
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Remember when liberals used to get really lathered up about Bush's "warrantless wiretapping" ??

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:38 | 3100320 knukles
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Ah, they're just men of principles.

As in none.

But who am I to judge?
(fucking hypocrites)

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:43 | 3100333 NumberNone
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Funny on the ObamaCare they couldn't find time to read it or even tell us what was is in it...but they find time to read and dig out these little nuggets from other bills.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:43 | 3100460 optimator
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Slight spelling error?  I'm sure you meant "Principal".

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:26 | 3100423 jballz
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Yes I am a liberal who was pissed about bush. I am also pissed about Obama carrying on the path. I am also pissed that McCain introduced the treasonous legislation into the NDaa and stepped on rand Paul's tail when he tried to take a stand on it. I am also pissed that Romney had nothing to say about any of it and would not have done a goddam thing different except back McCain and his treason party.

And I think the lot of you would do well to stop playing the divide and conquer game. This shit came from the house. There is no sure looking out for us, you want to blame liberals what the fuck are your republicans doing pushing the same agenda?

Tyranny first, partisanship later. That is the mantra of the leaders and better fast become the mantra of the revolutionaries or there is no chance.

Don't give up your guns.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:36 | 3100447 Bay of Pigs
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"your republicans"?

Since when? Glad to hear you are waking up. Welcome aboard.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 08:37 | 3101186 Bob
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You talkin' to me?

Whaddya mean it's not all the librulz?  Every congress criter's voting record is public information . . . and only liberals vote for this shit.  How else could it happen?  We gotta get that scum outta DC so they don't make our boyz vote their way no more. 

Unions!  Parasites! Obamaphone!  Commies! 


And if you don't get that, let me reduce it to the only thing that matters: Liberty.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 10:47 | 3101462 Bob
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You would seem to confuse liberals with dimocrats.  The liberals are wishing they were represented by any-fucking-body in government:

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:45 | 3100338 glenlloyd
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they attack us because we're free and

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:50 | 3100350 CPL
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Now back in your pen.  Here's the feeding tube.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:49 | 3100206 Rustysilver
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Email = Post card. If you think in those terms, you won't ever get hurt. Faxing is more secure, hospital use it to protect patient's "privacy".

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:07 | 3100255 NotApplicable
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That's what I'm constantly telling people, especially those who are trying to get me to go paperless (like ALL financial entities I deal with).

If they cannot provide a secure data delivery service, well, fuck 'em.

I mean, can't we at least force the NSA to work a tiny bit to decipher the data?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 11:04 | 3101519 flattrader
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Re: Faxing

It is my understanding that faxes sent over phone hardlines are mostly not intercepted or monitored.  Is this correct?

I had a lawyer insist I go find an old fashioned hardline fax machine to forward documents to him related to an enviro lawsuit because it was his belief that gov never bothered with the "lowly" fax machine for monitoring purposes.


Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:50 | 3100212 Snakeeyes
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The government already has access to your checking/savings account. They OWN you.

Raise your hand if you voted for these Statists!

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:32 | 3100309 Yes We Can. But...
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Is that right? Several years ago, an IRS agent sat down in my living room, read through the 13 months of bank statements I was ordered to have ready for him and busily typed into his laptop as he did so.  Why would he need to review my hardcopies if the IRS already had the info straight from the banksters?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:37 | 3100450 nobodyimportant
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Maybe you might like to read the US Code Chapter 26 Section 86-1thru 8 T and you will find domestic income is not taxable.

Or see for a short cut.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:51 | 3100636 Dr. No
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Cuz they don't know $hit. They have the element of fear, which is powerful. But from my 5 years of dealing with immigration/ naturalization, I am convinced they don't know a damn thing. The funniest thing is when a customs officer askes if my wife and I am married. I don't have the guts (yet) to say, why dont you look at you computer and check the five marriage certificates I had to send you over the years.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:53 | 3100217 Money 4 Nothing
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Because they know the shit is about to hit the fan. They want full access to scour for key words.. like, say.... Revolution

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:42 | 3100308 Yes_Questions
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During the the operation,  Revolution is now known as FlashMob 

And we need words that when spoken in pleb, will reveal the impostors by their accents.


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:49 | 3103357 smiler03
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First World War communiation: "Send three and fourpence, we're going to a dance".



Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:53 | 3100219 mjorden
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I hear Australia is Beautiful this time of year ... 

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:47 | 3100344 Mentaliusanything
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Yes, in Brisbane its 31c with a light NE breeze coming off the Pacific. Sun is bright and the air is clear and scented with Frangpani blossoms. We the people dont have guns but Criminals sure do and shot up again last night, same as every night. The good thing is they are killing each other(mostly).

Its good to be living in a Country where you get paid to Fuck and produce babies, where Boat people risk their lives in leaky boats because everything is free to them. Free medical free education, free tax payer paid housing, walkaround money and mobile phone. But they are complaining that the Refugee camps that supply three squares a day,movies, English lessons and free internet access don't have Airconditioning in the temporary tents. Yet i think that may upset the homeless people who are citizens of this country and get, if their lucky a bed and a feed twice a week. It upsets the taxpayer who pays $40,000 a year in taxes + a 10% GST on the things that are purchased to live. We have a Carbon tax that has made our powerbills unaffordable rising 60% in the last two years and the rates levied on property keep going up at 7% every damned year while the Government tells us inflation is 2%.

yes its beautiful living in a socialists country. The trouble with that is you eventually run out of other peoples money. Thatcher was right. There can be no entilement without obligation

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:06 | 3100380 petolo
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..........eventually you run out of people. 

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:56 | 3100647 Anusocracy
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The Lucky Country's luck ran out when it started importing millions of dole bludger foreigners.


Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:57 | 3100232 MachineMan
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People really believe that their data in the Cloud is theirs?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:11 | 3100245 Banksters
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U.S. triples foreign arms sales in 2011

International weapons sales by the United States tripled last year to a record high of $66.3 billion, according to a congressional report that noted big fighter jet and helicopter purchases by Saudi Arabia.

The data by the non-partisan Congressional Research Service noted an "extraordinary increase" over 2010, saying the total U.S. figure accounted for almost 78 percent of sales globally.

Oh, and that bitch feinstein voted for the Iraq and Afghanistan war, too.   She's got more blood on her hands than a fucking butcher.   No worries because she wants to regulate our 4th amendment right into a meaningless jumble of words.   Add in Ndaa, Fisa and the Patriot act and it is easy to see that we have only one solution: REVOLUTION.







Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:30 | 3100303 nasa
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they love us for our weapons.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:34 | 3100311 Banksters
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US Congress notified over $60bn arms sale to Saudi Arabia Yep, and FEINSTEIN DIDN'T DO SHIT.    FUCK CONGRESS, AND DA PREZ.   

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:04 | 3100247 Yen Cross
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  This is another creepy thing I didn't realize Employers were aloud to do. I don't use Facebook. One more reason not to use all the social networking sites. If I was asked to provide a password to any personal accounts , from a potential employer I would tell them to pound sand!

 Illinois Facebook Password Law Bars Employers From Asking For Social Media Logins

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:42 | 3100331 knukles
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Just tell 'em "I don't have any"

And they'll ask if "that's the password or that you don't have any."

To which you answer "yes."

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:51 | 3100353 Yen Cross
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 That would be the best reply, knukles. I was just still fuming, as I was typing my post. ;-)

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:08 | 3100385 blunderdog
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That law's worthless, anyway.  What are you going to do if an employer "illegally" asks for something?

Call the COPS?  BWA hahahaha!

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:47 | 3100464 nobodyimportant
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"Aloud to do" ?  Well what the hell do I know?  Must be some kind of new English.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:03 | 3100248 TWSceptic
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This is the reason I will never use cloud storage.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:08 | 3100259 NotApplicable
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USB drive, FTW!

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:14 | 3100272 Kastorsky
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+ truecrypt

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:17 | 3100555 WmMcK
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IOmega Zip Drives, bitchez.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:04 | 3100250 InvalidID
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 If it's on the net it's already stored somewhere...


Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:05 | 3100252 Seasmoke
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Ohhhh Bomb Ahhhh

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:37 | 3100443 optimator
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Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:36 | 3100444 optimator
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dumb.  In a million years they'll never catch that.  don't spell correctly, ever.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:08 | 3100258 Wakanda
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Stupid shit like that only reveals how terrified those jerks are.

The Second American Revolution, unfolding in hearts and minds far from the prying eyes of the fascist USSA.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:10 | 3100265 Catullus
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Yet this thing called "executive privilege" exists. Interesting

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:13 | 3100271 AldoHux_IV
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Vanity is the trojan horse for the state to take your liberties away-- as long as everybody out there thinks that their followers will care taking information has never been so easy-- oh and yes the cloud is for suckers.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:18 | 3100283 BlueCheeseBandit
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Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:34 | 3100312 Yes_Questions
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Ever since he played a bad guy in THE FIRM, I'd believe it.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:05 | 3100377 blunderdog
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It goes back further than that.  He was a THING in 1982!

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:17 | 3100407 Yes_Questions
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You're right!  I clearly misunderestimated the nefarious nature of one Mr. Brimley.


Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:21 | 3100287 Fix It Again Timmy
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 The Sheeple are flocked.... Fight terrorism, wipe DC off the map!

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:25 | 3100293 Chupacabra-322
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"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men,living together in society,they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."

-Frederic Bastiat, (1801-1850)

The Criminal Officials in Government are passing legislation and creating a survailence infrustructure which protects them from being hunted down like the animals they are and prosecuted from the Crimes Against The American People and Crimes Against Humanity which they have committed.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:37 | 3100318 Banksters
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Like this:


J.P. Morgan's hunt for Afghan gold

A team of bankers starts to tap the country's vast mineral riches, with help from the Pentagon.


Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:45 | 3100337 knukles
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Probably have about as much success as the Brits and Russkies, too.

But then again, always send a banker to do a real man's job.

"May they all beheaded in the right direction."

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:55 | 3100363 Smuckers
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Oh no!  This means they will tax me for all the funds I have coming from my dead Nigerian uncle!


Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:33 | 3100438 optimator
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They probably are the uncle sending you those proposals.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:04 | 3100376 blunderdog
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Most email is transmitted *publicly.*  Kinda funny to expect them to hamstring themselves in requesting public information.  They don't need warrants to record your ham-radio communications, either.

Anything that hasn't been transmitted publicly probably DOES require a warrant, because if it never left an internal network, they'd need access to the servers it's on, which would be privately owned.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:31 | 3100435 optimator
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Remember what they did to Petraeus?  He and his lover would put  Emails in "Waiting to be sent", and then read each others Waiting to be sent.  The Gov't got into both their computers and that was the end of Petraeus's chances for CIA director!  Even with the biggist computers "They" need a human to look at what all their systems pop up.  They are in fear of everyone, even themselves. 

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:36 | 3100442 nmewn
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They are a very paranoid lot...the last throes of despots often are.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:52 | 3100484 nobodyimportant
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Patreaus is/was a POS.  Nothing lost there.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 10:17 | 3101365 blunderdog
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Well, as clever as Petraeus and his concubine were, they probably used gummit- or employer-owned equipment to correspond.

That's just stupid.  If it's not your PC, you have no expectation of privacy for what you do on it.

That said, using webmail of any kind ALREADY publicly transmits the information, so samey-same either way. 

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:09 | 3100388 cherry picker
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When a law abiding citizen is more scared of the cops and other law enforcement types in the USA than enforcers in a casino or strip club, then we know we have a problem.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:10 | 3100390 toomanyfakecons...
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All the unenforceable laws in the world won't change what's coming. Liberty and the Constitution is poised to make a roaring comeback.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:53 | 3100487 nobodyimportant
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In your dreams!

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:14 | 3100399 tbone654
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buy a go phone with cash (no card) at walgreens...  wearing a hooded sweatshirt and not parking your car in the parking lot...  buy minutes the same way...  Have anyone you need to talk too or text do the same...  Be very careful, and there you go...  Simple...

Store no phone numbers (maybe use your zerohedge id, etc.)  5 or so levels of security, from high super secret, down to I just don't want anyone knowing what I'm doing all the time...

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:32 | 3100418 TomGa
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Encryption for Mozilla Thunderbird users, try  + PGP

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