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Eight US Sailors Sue Japan's TEPCO For Lying About Fukushima Radiation

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It was only a matter of time before Japan's criminal lying about the radioactive exposure in the aftermath of the Fukushima catastrophe caught up with it. What is surprising is that those holding Japan accountable are not its citizens but eight US sailors who have just filed a suit against semi-nationalized energy operator TEPCO - the company which repeatedly ignored internal warnings about the ability of the Fukushima NPP to withstand an earthquake/tsunami -  seeking $110 million in damages.

As Kyodo reports:

"Eight U.S. sailors have filed a damages suit against Tokyo Electric Power Co., claiming they were exposed to radiation and face health threats as the utility did not provide appropriate information about the Fukushima nuclear disaster while they engaged in rescue operations on board an aircraft carrier, U.S. media reported.


The plaintiffs who filed the suit at the U.S. federal court in San Diego -- seeking a total of $110 million, or 9.4 billion yen, in damages -- were aboard the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan when it was involved in "Operation Tomodachi," a disaster relief effort shortly after a big earthquake and tsunami triggered the worst nuclear accident in decades, the reports said."

What is sad is that while everyone in the alternative media was repeatedly warning about the radiation exposure being misrepresented by both TEPCO and various Japanese ministries, it was the mainstream media that was constantly complicit in disseminating official and unofficial lies that there is nothing to fear. Which begs the question: shouldn't the lawsuit stretch to everyone who - without inquiring deeper and merely serving as a mouthpiece to a lying government and utility - gave the "all clear" even as radiation levels were approaching, and in many occasions, passing critical levels?

But hey: they were merely following orders, and were worried about keeping their jobs if they stepped out of line and questioned the line of propaganda command. Luckily, this will be the first time in world history this excuse will have been used.


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Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:32 | 3099066 CClarity
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Just like our central bankers, in the higher echelons it is apparently now okay to LIE as long as it "keeps confidence" among the masses.  Disgusting!  Propaganda Ponzis never end well, but for a while some a-holes make big bucks.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:38 | 3099091 Buckaroo Banzai
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I believe the lowest circle of hell is reserved for turncoats, traitors, and betrayers of confidence.

If so, the traitorous lying whores in the mainstream media are in for a real treat.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:42 | 3099105 exi1ed0ne
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I don't believe in hell.  I'll take my justice now thank you.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:54 | 3099131 Pladizow
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They'll have better luck with their new set of gills and appendages, then they will with their law suit!

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:53 | 3099324 Fukushima Sam
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There was about a ton of plutonium in Fukushima #3 alone, which of course exploded in a nuclear detonation.  Japan is fucked.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 14:11 | 3099389 Tirpitz
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Just as I am a bit curious today: how in this world would you ignite a ton of Plutoium, to get a nuclear explosion?

The critical mass for Pu239 lies at something like ten pounds, and even if you mixed it with Pu240, you'd be far from the ton resting in Fukushima.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 16:17 | 3099715 Fukushima Sam
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The fact that the detonation at unit 3 was nuclear in origin is not yet acknowledged in the mainstream.  But don't worry, eventually it will be.

Arnie Gundersen certainly thinks that the detonation was too strong to be caused by a hydrogen explosion.  If you research the explosions at the three units that exploded you see a very large difference in their character.  The fact that unit 3 was loaded with MOX fuel is certainly a big difference between the configuration of the three reactors.

Recommend you look at Gundersen's site:

"Arnie Gundersen discusses TEPCO's latest analysis that, almost two years after the accident, fully substantiates Fairewinds long held position that the explosion at Fukushima Daiichi Unit 3 was the result of a detonation shock wave."

I like to make donations to Fairewinds to keep this kind of scrutiny going.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 17:15 | 3099848 Tirpitz
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Sam, thanks for the detailled reply. None of us was present at Fukushima, so we all have to guess, each as best as (s)he can. That said, your guess is as good as mine, and as good as anyone else's.

To achieve a nuclear explosion, we need a minimum amount of nuclear fuel to blow off simultaneously, which releases a certain typical amount of energy. The energy of such a nuclear detonation is approximately by the factor of 10E6 larger than that of a chemical explosion. I.e. if Fukushima 3 would have blown up that way, instead of a heavily damaged concrete structure, we'd now see there a midsized crater instead.

Then, to detonate a ton of fissile material is technically challenging, so while I won't want to rule it entirely out (the possibility), chances that it happens are tiny at best. Negligible in fact. What may have happened could have been a so-called deflagration -- the effects of which are more comparable to a chemical explosion than to a nuclear one. All the while (a small amount of) fissile material would have burned down in the process, adding to radiation being spread wide and far.

The MOX fuel brings more toxic isotopes into the biosphere in case of an accident, so you're entirely right that there's a difference in the outcome. And don't let's forget that three of the four cooling ponds were loaded with spent fuel, which in the case of a melt-down will add to the radioactive inventory jeopardizing Japan and almost half of the Pacific rim.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:24 | 3100095 Element
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I've watched Gundersen's initial video regarding this detonation and it's source thesis, and I've watched this one. I remain unconvinced with his conclusions.


Firstly; The #3 spent fuel pool has water in it, then, and still. It continues to hold water, the walls and floor were not blown out of it, they were not shattered by the force of the detonation allegedly occurring in it. Thus a prompt moderated nuclear energy release in the form of a detonation definitely did NOT occur from that source area.


Secondly, the #3 reactor vessel has water in it and continues to more or less hold water, the walls, floor were not completely destroyed, thus a prompt appreciable flash of nuclear energy release from an accelerating chain reaction in the MOX fuel in there, also did NOT occur.


Thus #3 reactor exploded due to a chemical reaction.

The TEPCO diagram only shows a point-source area of the ignition, producing a detonation. It does not insinuate 1,000 tonnes of hydrogen was all squeezed into the basement, only that this is where the ignition seems to have taken place. Of course the hydrogen gas would be distributed through out the entire building, that goes without saying.

But Gundersen knows that, so it appears he's being quite deliberately disingenuous, and spinning that nonsense to his 'viewers', for propaganda effects. It was a dumb thing to do Arnie and makes you look considerably less then forthright about all this stuff. But your theory about reactor #3's demise has not made a lot of sense from the beginning.

Fill a weather balloon with hydrogen, attach it to a string, stand well back with a long pole and a flame on the end on it, and touch the balloon with the flame. You'll see a flash and a ball of flame and hear a very loud bang. I saw this done indoors once and small bits of vermiculite flaked off the ceiling from the shock of it.

So I have no problem accepting that the ignition in the basement of hydrogen distributed throughout an entire reactor building, could raise the internal pressure so high (as per powder contained in a gun breach and cartridge that ignites) that it exploded out of the weakest point in the structure, the roof area, with greater speed and pressure than you'd otherwise expect it to have generated.

Occam's-Razor Arnie. You're theory is obviously incorrect, you're assertions and conclusions are erroneous - recant.

If you don't you will be regarded accordingly by the industry you critique, and they will not spare you. You've many valuable points to make that are valid and meaningful, without distorting the under-laying picture of the Fukushima accident, with what is irrelevant and incorrect theoretical nonsense (which actually does still hold water).

That's why regulatory agencies have discounted Gundersen's views and will continue to do so. He's pandering to the 'viewer', and more-or-less talking-his-book, thus doing himself discredit with everyone else in that industry, who can plainly see he's gotten it wrong, and hasn't faced-up to it yet (I'd go easy with the "training video" quips mate).

My guess is he will go quiet on this topic and will eventually admit he was wrong. In the meantime, as with everything, question axioms, assumptions and theories, no matter who is saying them.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 23:19 | 3100683 Rusty Shorts
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US NAVY shitting IN their pants, EVACUATE JAPAN!!!

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 17:28 | 3099883 Fish Gone Bad
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Not all the radiation detectors were shut off.  Here is what radnet showed over by me in San Bernardino, CA (Route 66):  You can probably search around your own town and see what happened.


Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:46 | 3100468 azusgm
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No info at that link. Hmmm.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 15:40 | 3099610 Hugh_Jorgan
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That is a load of ignorant crap. Where did you get Plutonium? The reactor fuel is Uranium. There are traces of Plutonuim created over the life of the core but there is not enough to make a bomb, and it certainly is not in a configuration to be detonated. There is no "nuclear detonation" in a meltdown situation. You can have sustained high temperatures and melting from zirconium-water reaction and normal enriched Uranium criticality if the core becomes a big enough puddle somewhere, but any explosion only comes from the aforementioned heat causing rapid expansion of coolant (aka; STEAM?) and the associated over-pressurization and system rupture that results. It can eject nasty material far and wide. This is what happened in Chernobyl and Fukashima both of which has serious design flaws.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 16:03 | 3099684 Fukushima Sam
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You call someone ignorant yet have no clue yourself.  Unit 3 was loaded with MOX fuel.  And plutonium is a by-product of uranium fission:

I trust Gundersen:

"Unit 3 had 30 bundles of MOX fuel… All the reactors have plutonium in them… Uranium-238 becomes plutonium-239 when it absorbs a neutron… There was close to a ton of plutonium in each of the reactors… scattered throughout the fuel… A ton of plutonium in each reactor… you and I know how dangerous plutonium can be… makes the cleanup that much more difficult."

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 18:16 | 3099998 Nassim
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Hugh does not know what MOX is. Here is the Wikipedia entry and an extract:

... consisting of plutonium blended with natural uranium, reprocessed uranium, or depleted uranium

By the way, anyone who thinks that depleted uranium is some sort of depleted firework should ask the Iraqis - especially the children and parents of Fallujah

Of course, the US military hates to admit that the Gulf War Syndrome was actually internal low dose alpha and beta contamination.

I am proud of having donated $100 to Fairwinds for Christmas. Gundersen is doing a great job:

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:58 | 3099339 Anusocracy
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To everyone who understands that governments lie, wrap your mind around the idea that perhaps government lied about the linear dose-model.

AMHERST, Mass. – University of Massachusetts Amherst environmental toxicologist Edward Calabrese, whose career research shows that low doses of some chemicals and radiation are benign or even helpful, says he has uncovered evidence that one of the fathers of radiation genetics, Nobel Prize winner Hermann Muller, knowingly lied when he claimed in 1946 that there is no safe level of radiation exposure.

Calabrese's interpretation of this history is supported by letters and other materials he has retrieved, many from formerly classified files. He published key excerpts this month in Archives of Toxicology and Environmental and Molecular Mutagenesis.

Muller was awarded the 1946 Nobel Prize in medicine for his discovery that X-rays induce genetic mutations. This helped him call attention to his long-time concern over the dangers of atomic testing. Muller's intentions were good, Calabrese points out, but his decision not to mention key scientific evidence against his position has had a far-reaching impact on our approach to regulating radiation and chemical exposure.

Calabrese uncovered correspondence from November 1946 between Muller and Curt Stern at the University of Rochester about a major experiment that had recently evaluated fruit fly germ cell mutations in Stern's laboratory. It failed to support the linear dose-response model at low exposure levels, but in Muller's speech in Oslo a few weeks later he insisted there was "no escape from the conclusion that there is no threshold." To Calabrese, this amounts to deliberate concealment and he says Stern raised no objection.

Calabrese adds, "This isn't an academic debate, it's really practical, because all of our rules about chemical and low-level radiation are based on the premises that Muller and the National Academy of Sciences' (NAS) committee adopted at that time. Now, after all these years, it's very hard when people have been frightened to death by this dogma to persuade them that we don't need to be scared by certain low-dose exposures."

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:41 | 3100434 chiswickcat
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In a study published in the Br Med Jr using 100 years of data, cancer rates were compared amongst medical staff. The radiologists had the least cases of cancer, despite receiving the highest levels of cancer. It has been calculated that the optimum dose of radiation for the lowest cancer risk is about one cervical x-ray PER DAY! Linear no threashold is totally out dated. The French Radiological Society have called for it to be scrapped as have other researchers. No radiation is bad, a little is good, too much is bad. It's the same with virtually everything. Lead, arsnic, red wine, you name it! A little radiation causes; Radiation hormesis which is the stimulatory or beneficial effect of low doses of ionizing radiation. While an actual benefit from radiation exposure may seem outrageous, there is much supportive evidence for this phenomenon. 

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:17 | 3100552 Ctrl_P
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and this.


this is the same substance that is used in the medical industry.

- so much for the "no dose good, any dose bad" meme

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 18:27 | 3100021 Payable on Death
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You're prepared to go to hell right now?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:32 | 3100307 ich1baN
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Ah exi1ed one, God has written His code into nature to provide justice one way or another.

Why else do those who perform an abortion have long-term psychological issues and an increase in breast cancer risk? Why else do homosexuals experience a much higher disease contraction rate and much lower average lifespans compared to heteros?

Just because these rich elites seem like they have all the power in the world, the fact is they are miserable people and are actually quite unhappy. Yes, it appears that injustice is happening to the naked eye, but justice comes in more forms to the unseen dimension of intellectual, spiritual, and emotional.  

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:32 | 3099068 mvsjcl
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Better take a geiger counter to any settlement monies won.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:34 | 3099072 Cursive
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How radioactive is the USS Ronald Reagan?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:25 | 3099232 mvsjcl
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I'm sure those figures are classified, Cursive, but I'd venture to say the effects are on par as were those of Reaganomics to our economy.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:57 | 3100480 HedgeHammer
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I am retired Navy DC/HT and one of my resposibilities was CBR Defense. If the Reagan was contanminated in anyway the CBR sniffers that run 24 hrs a day would have alarmed. If this ship did indeed come in contact with radiation of any kind would have set of the CBR alarms shipwide. Mission would have been reevaluated and immediate containment and complete decontanmination efforts would be underway.

So to answer your question. The USS Ronald Reagan is not radiated. The ship would have been pulled into dock and given a complete decon scrub from top to bottom even after we would have done so at sea prior to the ship being docked.

Radiation can be washed off your body and othger in organic material and be radiation free afterwards. This applies to all Alpha and Beta particles except X-Ray particles which pass through the human body but these particles only travel a vert short distance from any blast. If memory serves me right the X-Ray travels less then a hundred feet or so.

Please forgive my rusty information above about the particles themselves ass I have been retired since the early 90's.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:33 | 3099070 Cursive
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Sad.  How is the American Left coast doing vis-a-vis radiation levels?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:34 | 3099074 CPL
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"Statistical clustering"


That is all.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:14 | 3099187 Shell Game
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Not all here are Leftists, Cursive.  Someone has to wave 'Liberty or {radioactive} Death' signs at the fools...  ;)

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 15:17 | 3099560 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Other than a spike in infant deaths in British Colombia during the worst week of exposure (that cannot be statistically explained away)...they're fine. Slight glow.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:34 | 3099076 tooriskytoinvest
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Navy rescue workers sue Japan over Fukushima cover-up — “Irreparable harm to life expectancy” — Gov’t and Tepco conspired

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:35 | 3099079 PUD
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Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:36 | 3099081 Banksters
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The truth of the matter is that radiation will spew out of Fukushima for eons.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:39 | 3099098 AGoldhamster
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Do you really think anybody - except J6P - cares?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:40 | 3099085 Glass Seagull
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In totally unrelated news:

8 US sailors were found dead in 8 separate jacuzzis this morning.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:03 | 3099155 a growing concern
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Each had multiple self-inflicted gunshot wounds to the head.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:52 | 3099319 Not Too Important
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With the cover still on . . .

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 14:14 | 3099399 knukles
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Reported dead in Texas but the bodies were later found in Maine.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 14:32 | 3099445 takeaction
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Buried at sea at 2am with no witnesses for respect to their beliefs...

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 14:43 | 3099468 fuu
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Suicide notes at the scenes claimed responsibility for the USS Maine, The Federal Reserve, JFK, RFK, MLK, Hoffa, Tonkin, and 911.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 15:32 | 3099599 tickhound
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And all began with a Dear Mom, This is FIRST, LAST NAME.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 16:48 | 3099788 sushi
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I want you to know that I was one of those 8 suicides and the whole thing was perfectly legit.

I travelled from Texas to Maine to celebrate the New Year with my folks. What is wrong with that?

I think it unseemly for members of the public to publicly express complete and utter distrust of the government especially at this time of year. I have sworn to uphold the laws and constitution of the USA and will gladly testify to congress to that effect.


Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:37 | 3099089 AGoldhamster
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I just wonder who sold all that - soooo safe - nuclear stuff to japan/tepco ... maybe they should be sued too

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 14:15 | 3099402 knukles
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GEeeee wiz!

They melt, he melts, she melts, Imelt

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 14:19 | 3099417 Joe A
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General Electric built right?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:40 | 3099101 FubarNation
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Tepco didn't sail those ships into harms way.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:42 | 3099106 Payne
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The Navy was the responsible party, all the equipement was on board to measure radioactive environments.  The Navy either failed to measure or misrepresented the findings in order to operate in the area.


Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:56 | 3099133 Toolshed
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The US government STILL does not monitor, or at least it does not report the monitoring, of radiation levels in seafood. The nuclear industry is a VERY powerful entity indeed.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:09 | 3099175 Cursive
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Neither France nor Japan would have electricity to support it's modern infrastructure if not for nuclear power.  So yeah, you could say it's a "power"-ful lobby, pun intended, or you could say it's another state-sponsored, mis-managed cartel. 

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:11 | 3099181 Manthong
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failed to measure?..  no way

But good luck ever revealing the measurements.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:24 | 3099228 MachoMan
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Although you are correct to a certain degree, my guess is there are procedural and practical barriers for these guys to sue uncle sam.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 14:11 | 3099259 TomGa
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Recall that Navy moved its ships out of the area for several days following the explosions. No reason was given at the time, but it wasn't hard to figure out why.  Meanwhile,  the U.S. embassy in Tokyo was taking measurements on its roof hourly and recorded "extremely frightening" levels of radiation blowing into Tokyo several hours after reactor #3 detonated.  Weeks later, areas of high radiation  were found to the Southwest of Tokyo.

Soil samples collected in and around Tokyo months after the meltthroughs and brought back the U.S. for analysis by Gunderson tested hot enough to be classified as nuclear hazardous waste  and had to be disposed of accordingly.



Thu, 12/27/2012 - 14:13 | 3099395 knukles
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Yes it was mentioned....

And then completely scrubbed from the NEWS, that radiation detection equipment upon a number of US Navy ships had been registering abnormally high and dangerous levels of radiation.


Thu, 12/27/2012 - 14:30 | 3099430 TomGa
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I'm sure you're right. At this point, I just don't recall a specific article which admitted it.  


I do recall, however, reading an article which reported that JP Morgan decided to default on the mortgage on its headquaters building in Tokyo suggesting that it had reason to believe that Tokyo would be declared a nuclear disaster zone and evacuated.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 15:09 | 3099540 knukles
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Yeah, another one of them coincidences.
All the time, always in their favor.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:49 | 3099124 SmoothCoolSmoke
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Companies lie?  OMG!

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:52 | 3099127 suteibu
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The discovery phase will certainly be interesting, especially the collusion and corruption involving the J-government, the US government, the nuclear industry, and regulators from the US, Japan, and the UN.  Which means we will never see this phase.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:52 | 3099129 Toolshed
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The Fukushima disaster is likely the biggest threat mankind has faced in  it's known history. The technology needed to gain control of the situation there simply DOES NOT EXIST AT THIS POINT IN TIME. This means that all their estimates of decomissioning the reactors and rendering them "safe" are make believe. Massive amounts of radiation will continue to spew from the site for the foreseeable future. Our food chain has already been compromised. The Japanese homeland will likely become an uninhabitable wasteland. It is a pretty unfortunate future we humans now face on this planet. If this sounds like impossible bullshit, please, DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT and do your own research. All the other problems we face, short of global nuclear war, seem pretty insignificant compared to the threat mankind faces from the Fukushima catastrophe.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 15:20 | 3099574 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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They can just build a huge concrete sarcophagus, like the one they made at Chernobyl. Cost $100 billion. No problem, just keep the printing presses running another 10-12 minutes.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 15:24 | 3099583 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Just shut up and stick your head back in the sand.  We don't want to hear about it.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:28 | 3100575 Ctrl_P
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I was thinking more like chicken little. But hey, the sentiment is the same.


Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:59 | 3099142 Tsar Pointless
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Corporations lie.

Governments are corporations. Hence, governments lie.

When you put corporations in charge of governments, why wouldn't you expect to get nothing but lying liars who tell lies?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:19 | 3099215 blunderdog
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It's not like the lawsuit is anything but a ploy to squeeze money out of TEPCO.  It's kinda pathetic, really, but you can sue anyone for anything, so why not?

Obviously TEPCO is a sack of shit.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:38 | 3099252 suteibu
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Actually, it's a ploy to squeeze money out of the Japanese taxpayers since the government essentially owns TEPCO.  From

"Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Thursday it is seeking 696.9 billion yen in additional financial assistance from the government to pay compensation related to the accident at its Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant last year."

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:28 | 3099242 TomGa
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Follow ongoing  Fukushima news:  http://ENENEWS.COM


Thu, 12/27/2012 - 23:25 | 3100695 Ctrl_P
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I read one of those articles and comments section Tom. Thanks for that.  I now have an acute insight into their agenda - to turn the planet into a vegetarian, green power worshiping, knit-your-own hair sandles, guilt ridden bunch of self flagellating meme chasers. Presumably with the Grand High Priest Vizier telling everyone else what to do.


That would be the only job worth having.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:37 | 3099263 alentia
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The map is misrepresentation of facts. The actual reading were announced in Sieverts not Rads.

This is how easy it is to bring up lie and change the actual facts via mainsteam media to cause panic and bogus claims.

If it would be Rad, half of US population would be already dead.

Basically, Sievert is about 1/100 of a Rad. So the radiation level even at the epicenter is below significant effect on health of 30 Rads and in US it is negligable of 7 rads.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:50 | 3099311 Not Too Important
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Negligable anywhere?

Total Fukushima Radiation Released Into Ocean, Air, Groundwater, Storage Tanks; via A Green Road

Fukushima Spewing Equivalent of 112 Hiroshima Nuclear Bombs Worth of Radiation Every Hour; via A Green Road

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 14:02 | 3099353 Tirpitz
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"Basically, Sievert is about 1/100 of a Rad."

The other way round. 1 Rad originates from 1 rem acquired dose, and for the gamma-rays at hand, the conversion factor is 1. As 100 rem = 1 Sievert, we can deduct that 1 Sv = 100 Rad in this case. For neutron, alpha and beta irradiation the results would differ however.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 14:07 | 3099374 Jay
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The units on the chart are obviously bullshit. A 750 rad dose is fatal in a few hours.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 15:19 | 3099568 malek
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LOL is this your attempt to make a lie more believable by changing it from a small lie into a "Big Lie"?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:51 | 3099315 nasa
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Time to hire the BP crisis mgmt. team.  Soon you will hearing that the seafood is great and it is the perfect time visit the Fuk.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:55 | 3099328 suteibu
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The Japanese government has been promoting this since the summer of 2011, including the use of school children and beauty queens to promote the safety of food from Fukushima.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 14:05 | 3099369 Tirpitz
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Monsanto poison-rice and Fukushima gamma-fish, a perfect combination.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:57 | 3099335 buzzsaw99
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eventually all the nuclear waste on earth will be released into the environment

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 14:23 | 3099427 Joe A
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Aren't the Japanese themselves suing their government and Tepco? If not, that is really sad. And....what about the USS Ronald Reagan monitoring radiation? Weren't they? Weren't they supposed to? If not, why not and if they did what were the levels of radiation? And if the levels were too high why then were the sailors sent in harms way? Questions, questions...

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 14:52 | 3099500 malek
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ZH is re-using the map that has been identified as a hoax?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 14:56 | 3099507 SgtSchultz
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Are there any changes in birth defect statistics?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 15:05 | 3099532 TSA gropee
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I can attest to the map not being the least bit accurate at least in the Arizona area as within two months of the Fuku disaster, I had my Geiger counter sampling at least once a week. The map did not take into account atmospheric pressures that constantly redirect the jet stream in and around areas of land. The meter never spiked above background... Just my 2 pennies worth.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 16:50 | 3099791 TuPhat
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TSA gropee.  Thank You.  At least someone with real facts.  It was part of my Job to keep up with fallout from such things and there wasn't any in the US.  I don't expect anyone on this site to believe that.  They have irrational fears of radiation.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 16:51 | 3099795 TuPhat
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TSA gropee.  Thank You.  At least someone with real facts.  It was part of my Job to keep up with fallout from such things and there wasn't any in the US.  I don't expect anyone on this site to believe that.  They have irrational fears of radiation.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 15:21 | 3099577 Wooden Tiger
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I never did get sick co-workers here in Washington ST to admit it was from Fukushima radiation, but I knew lots of people with respiratory infections here. Idiots ask me "What's Fukushima?" when I bring it up now.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 16:36 | 3099760 Cathartes Aura
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the PNW has its own particular "weather" that would certainly contribute to respiratory infections, including asthma, bronchitis, etc.  when you factor the cloud cover in, yes, there will be even more breathing problems going forward.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 15:45 | 3099625 icanhasbailout
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When things get serious, TPTB will lie. Plan accordingly.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 16:37 | 3099761 Cathartes Aura
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it's all a lie.

act accordingly.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 15:58 | 3099664 Skip
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it was the mainstream media that was constantly complicit in disseminating official and unofficial lies that there is nothing to fear. Which begs the question: shouldn't the lawsuit stretch to everyone who - without inquiring deeper and merely serving as a mouthpiece to a lying government and utility - gave the "all clear" even as radiation levels were approaching, and in many occasions, passing critical levels?

You know the term "DEVILS" comes to mind.

Scientists say that PRUSSIAN BLUE rids the body of Cesium, yet in the USSA it is only available by prescription, the pharmaceutical grade is made in Germany, there it is OTC, but not here, the CDC reason is that it has the following most dangerous of side-effects: CONSTIPATION.

The US government is the greatest threat to life, liberty, health, and the pursuit of happiness on planet earth.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 15:58 | 3099669 imbtween
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Can't you stop a reactor that's out of control by deluging it with boron? Why haven't they done this?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 17:28 | 3099885 Tirpitz
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1.) Where to get all the B10 needed

2.) How to bring it close to the fissile material, once the structure was damaged?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:54 | 3100632 azusgm
Thu, 12/27/2012 - 16:01 | 3099676 Getting Old Sucks
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Just like there's nothing that can be done about the economy, nothing can be done about Fukushima.  So, they just tell us the economy is growing and there's no need to measure radiation.  Last one out, turn off the lights.  Very sad.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 16:07 | 3099692 Kreditanstalt
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Like World Government?  Suing a JAPANESE company in an AMERICAN court is a dangerous precedent.  Actually, we'd better hope it doesn't succeed...

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 16:20 | 3099719 Getting Old Sucks
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Given how our justice system is dead, no need to worry cause Tepco will find a way to involve GE.  You know where that will go.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 16:42 | 3099771 TuPhat
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Most of the commenters on this topic know next to nothing about radiation and the associated hazards.  The so called experts quoted here are just trying to make themselves famous and are worse than the MSM for disinforming people.  I worked in Radiation Protection for over 30 years so I do know something about it.  I would have expected ZHers to mention that TEPCO is completely broke and unable to meet other obligations.  Why US sailors would waste their money on lawyers to sue an entity that can't pay, I don't understand.  I guess the navy doesn't have the best and brightest.  Only the lawyers will win.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 16:55 | 3099808 sushi
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But if you sue a broke entity and win then you have a claim on that entities assets.

With regards to Tepco they may be broke but I bet the sailors would have no problems enforcing a court enforced seizure order to pick up some juicy assets. I understand fukushima daichi units 1 to 4 might be available.


Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:53 | 3100358 TuPhat
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You may be right.  I think perhaps they could have Fukushima, lock stock and reactor barrell.  The negative returns on that could go on longer than the half-life of the spent fuel.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 17:53 | 3099945 Element
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"... when it was involved in "Operation Tomodachi," ..."


They just love that shit, making up ridiculous names for 'operations'. Makes it all seem so much more grand, meaningful and less sordid, in dispatches, media releases and hystery books ... do they still have those? ... or is it just one giant "fiction section" at libraries now?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 18:06 | 3099990 tickhound
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Operation Neverending Story

Gonna be my future best-seller

You may have just written the blurb on the jacket.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:19 | 3100135 Random
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This is what i think about this alleged accident, based on the following deductions:

- Chernobyl involved one very young reactor that blew up, releasing a shit load of fission products (mainly iodine, cesium, strontium and plutonium - as all reactors produce it during their normal operating cycle);

- Latest casualties assessment  claims around 1,5 million dead;

- The "liquidation" took around 4 months resulting in the entombment of the melted down reactor (after the initial explosion);

All of the above are considered to be true, with the exception of the casualties figure that is thought by some people to be on the low side.

Fukushima "facts":

- 3 or 4 reactors have melted down fully;

- at least one spent fuel pool has burnt down entirely, containing between 4 to 10 cores worth of spent fuel;

- the accident is ongoing and on march 11th will "celebrate" its 2nd anniversary;

My questions:

- how is it possible that thus far there is no death due to radiation sickness or radiation induced cancer, given the presumed radiation level and affected area?

- how is it possible that none of the fabled Fukushima 50 are dead yet? (consider that some of the Chernobyl "liquidators" were dead within hours)?

- why there is no increase in the background Gamma level, either in Japan, US or Europe (i have looked at historic and current data);

- how is it possible that people are able to work at Fukushima Dai-chi to this very day, despite radiation levels;

- if the radiation levels are so great (and they should be considering what happened) why none of the footage filmed inside the plant does not show the distinct radiation "snow flakes" we've seen from Chernobyl?

Please note that for a year i "knew" that the accident was real and i was an avid Enenews reader.

Based on all the above, i now believe the following:

- the accident is fake, made up, never happened;

- or the radiation and accident are real but the radiation itself is harmless;

Either way, things are not the way we're led to believe.

Having full faith in the level of expertise and intelligence (wits, not the other intelligence) aggregated by ZH i wait for a rebuttal to my outlandish theory.

Thanks a lot!

P.S.: if i misspelled stuff or i have screwed with the phrase layout i apologize and blame it on: 1. not being a native English speaker; 2. i am not proficient in English; 3. i am high as a kite; 4. all of the above;

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:04 | 3100239 Element
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First; many have suggested the fatalities from Chernobyl are approx 1.5 million less than the estimate you posited. There are guys that still go inside the wrecked reactor regularly, and work in the other reactors all the time. They may be popping off very slowly from cancers, but they are in the very hottest area.  Surely this reality should be a hint concerning the real hazards of such chronic exposure, as after the initial intense radiation pulse and rapid decay after the accident the problem is clearly much less than has been constantly trumpeted.

i.e. humans don't understand the exponential function.

Secondly; Hiroshima and Nagasaki are thriving cities, with healthy food and drinking water. This should also inform us about the real-world exposure risks and acquired genetic damage after a nuclear criticality and fall-out. What we don't know well is what will happen in terms of passing on genetic damage via damaged genes in off-spring.

The major danger is during the first weeks after the fallout spreads. That's when people absorb the iodine, etc., that eventually produces thyroid cancer. It's not much of a problem at all after the initial decay dies back except in the cases of ingestion. It is in those several weeks after the fallout lands on the ground that people acquire an intense cumulative body-dose, from the intensely and rapidly decaying particles on the ground, that still have not decayed much, yet. After they decay for three months or so the body-dose exposures, especially to people closer to the ground, like children, falls away to basically negligible levels. To a point where prosaic things like bacteria again become a far greater hazard to our health. People work with and live with hazardous ingestable substances which can kill a human quickly, or slowly, but basic precautions and awareness and good habits are actually extremely effective at reducing the hazard and impacts.

That said, Fukushima convinced me that nuclear energy is a very bad idea and we should move away from it as fast as possible for electrical generation purposes. EMP or CME will eventually make those reactors and the SFP's cooling systems mass-fail, and that will spew very heavy fallout over the entire planet.


I would not listen to the nuclear industry's opinions, assertions or assurances regarding that.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:05 | 3100251 Random
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So, is the Fukishima radiation (ongoing, including iodine) dangerous or not? If yes, please address my points. If no, why this outrage and panic?

Is the Fukushima accident real or is the radiation dangerous? Pick one please.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 20:45 | 3100314 Element
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What? Why the hell would I pick one?

You can plainly see the accident is real, the explosions did occur, the buildings are destroyed, and isonising radiation is most certainly dangerous and damaging to humans, as was clearly stated and or implied - several times.

See my comment about the exponential function.

Decay occurs exponentially, so if you don't or won't understand that, and wont take that physical reality on-board, then you aren't ever going to get a satisfying or at least a real 'answer' to what is a fundamentally an invalid question, based on misconceptions to start with.

If so, I'm going to leave you to it.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:01 | 3100374 Random
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Why is nobody dying or has died due to the accident?


- Injuries 37 with physical injuries,[3]
2 workers taken to hospital with radiation burns[4]

- Any of the Fukushima 50 (or 700) are not dead:


Summary: Six workers have received radiation doses apparently over the 250 mSv level set by NISA, but at levels below those which would cause radiation sickness. There have been no harmful effects from radiation on local people, nor any doses approaching harmful levels. However, some 160,000 people were evacuated from their homes and only in 2012 are allowed limited return.

Please note that the emissions are ongoing, thus the "exponential decrease in radiation" point you have stressed is moot, imho.

Please consider that i am not trolling, i am just looking for a stronger rebuttal instead of "these are the well known facts and if you don't like it tough luck". This is what i am disputing here, the "facts".

Thanks in advance!

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:34 | 3100517 Element
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"... Please note that the emissions are ongoing, thus the "exponential decrease in radiation" point you have stressed is moot, imho. ..."

It is necessary to be intellectually honest if you genuinely want to understand something. What you have said is definitely not an accurate characterization of the situation, not even close to it. And you should know that, and also acknowledge that, rather than just misrepresent it.

The decrease in temperatures, due to the reduction in decays occurring, and sea water submersion of the fuel rods, leads to less and less airborne volatile components (and very rapidly). The melted reactors were doused with sea water almost from day one.

So the much deliberately over-hyped 'on-going emissions' are almost all as solutes dissolved in salty water (brine), below the boiling-point. There is almost no new airborne fallout from those reactors at all right now. It is all in the form of mineral precipitation from brine, laden with metalic radioactive solutes and slag that were escaping into the surround sea, then precipitating out of solution, and being accumulated in sedimentary minerals and then into the food chain.

And to counter that process of marine sedimentary 'fallout' generation, or to at least try and minimize it, a large-scale water-filtration system was put in place to capture the precipitates before they escaped into the ocean and turned into marine 'fallout'. So, to the contrary the fallout and the emissions have dramatically decreased into the open environment, with time, and the exponential decay of the particles that were already released is absolutely the primary consideration here, and it always will be.

It's blatantly absurd to suggest otherwise would ever be the case with regard to radioactive fallout.

So your question is based on misconception and misunderstandings. Rather than shallowly assuming one or the other situation must be false for the other to be true (which clearly is nonsense), ensure instead your questions first make sense, and are consistent with what has transpired.

If people are not dropping dead or getting ill, then there is a simple reason for this, their exposures were managed and their doses were much lower than you supposed to be fatal or debilitating. Prompt 600 REM exposure will kill almost all people very quickly indeed. But spread that same exposure level out incrementally over several years and people won't even get overtly ill, let alone necessarily die due to it.

So there is;

(1) a massively-significant exposure duration factor, that you're not taking into account at all.

(2) as well as the massively-significant exponential function, of the decay process itself.

(3) plus the massively significant rapid reduction in the rates of airborne emission after the meltdowns.

(4) and the massively significant rapid reductions in radioactive solutes emerging from the submerged melted rods.

(5) Spraying of green-slime on the ground around the reactors to make sure particles could not be re-mobilized or breathed in, or consumed by the workers.

(6) mapping the site in detail to manage/minimize exposure and the spacing in time, to reduce the tendency for sickness or serious illnesses to develop.


These have all undoubtedly helped, but without doubt some of the workers and general civil population will develop cancers, it just may take 5, 10, 20 years for that to happen.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:35 | 3100597 Random
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Since you only address parts of my claims i will do the same:

- dousing corium with water cools it - why the hell did the Russians bothered to entomb Chernobyl? (crazy fucks even tunneled underneath it, poured a thick slab of concrete to stop the corium) when they only needed some garden hoses;

- "2) as well as the massively-significant exponential function, of the decay process itself" - i assume you mean that the fusion products decay exponential, how about the residual heat, aren't the rods/corium self-heating? how they do it when they can't reach the rods and they cannot recirculate water around them to carry the heat away (rods are melted, is "public knowledge");

- "(5) Spraying of green-slime on the ground around the reactors to make sure particles could not be re-mobilized or breathed in, or consumed by the workers." - this might work for old particles, how about the new ones (reactors are melted down and the buildings are wide open)

One last thing: one village very close to Fukushima dai-ichi was never evacuated, nobody died, how did they did it? Were they rotated also to "lessen the impact"?

Thanks in advance and thanks a lot for your effort!


P.S.: i'll go to sleep now (4 am here) but i'll check it out later on for your reply.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 03:38 | 3100913 Element
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Actually, unlike you, I in fact fully addressed your valid 'claims', it's just you don't have a clue what you're talking about, hence almost all of what you said was the product of considerable ignorance, falsely based misunderstandings and generalized assumptions that were more-or-less completely irrelevant and inaccurate.

"... when they only needed some garden hoses;"

You're new here and you say your not trolling so I'll cut you some slack. I made a lot of detailed posts on this subject in the days and months after the accident, that dealt with this all in far greater detail. I'm not going to do your home-work and thinking for you bud. These were completely different situations and you don't seem to understand the basics of what transpired with either of them. As a result you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Fine. But you're also not paying attention to replies. So this is the last one you're getting.

The Ukrainian reactor exploded almost without warning. No time to do anything, but to pick up the bits of plutonium and graphite with a shovel and throw it all back into the rubble and cover it in concrete to try and immobilize it. And it plainly worked, as the other reactors in the same complex resumed operation. The residual core melt fell to lower levels under the reactor, and diluted with concrete and metal as it moved and melted stuff. Once the decay products were sufficiently diluted it just became less ductile, crystallized as its exterior cooled and became immobile. The Russians didn't want radio active water, they knew that would not improve the situation, they needed to bury it instead, to stop volatiles becoming airborne.

Last Working Chernobyl Reactor Is Restarted Published: November 27, 1999

Yeah, that's right bud, the fact of exponential decay and desperation for more electricity production, meant that 13 years later they were back in business within the same complex making electricity again.


In the Japanese Fukushima case the plant workers realized (with incredible horror, I expect) that the cooling systems had all failed, plus the massive pipes and plumbing were possibly wrecked by the quake itself, and the water was either leaking from or had already emptied away from at least one of the cores (#1), thus exposing at least one core fully within seconds of the main quake finishing. That core was probably glowing red/yellow and oxidizing furiously even before the ground movements fully subsided. There was a report of an anomalous sharp radiation spike from a remote sensor near the plant boundary about 2 1/2 minutes (from memory) after the main quake passed. So it was suspected that the core of #1 was probably very rapidly melting at that point, and possibly 100% melted within 20 mins of the initial quake. Thus before the Tsunami even did its damage, it appears #1's core was already kaput - from the quake alone. But unlike Chernobyl (an expanding steam blast, not chemical oxidation) the resulting hydrogen that was driven-off by the melt's oxidation of fuel-rod cladding, didn't explode immediately. It seems #1's core had fully mobilized and melted through its PV and fallen on to the primary containment's floor long before the roof blew-off during the following day.

But while the plant operators were still trying to figure why nothing worked immediately after the quake (when they were also told to evacuate), several minutes later all the backup systems were also completely destroyed by the tsunami (although I think it's highly likely those were also severely damaged by the quake). And on top of all that, the off-site external power supply was gone, as the transmission towers were wrecked. BUT! Power was needed to actuate supposedly 'automatic' pressure-relief valves to reduce the pressure inside the containment in the event of overheating. But the cores were either already oxidizing and melting, or else were furiously boiling at extremely high pressures. Well you see, the backup-generators were also supposed to provide the power for that purpose as well. So the pressure could not be released by the 'automatic' valves. But even if it could have been released, it would have made things worse, just sooner, because the ventilation ducting was all destroyed so the hydrogen could not be extracted from the building. It would just stay inside the reactor building until it exploded.

Which it eventually did.

So the operators then knew there was no other option left to avoid a rapidly approaching series of catastrophic meltdowns and potential gas explosions but to quickly as possible cool the reactors with sea water inundation. They did the only thing they could and rigged up a means to try and refill the pressure vessels to cover the rods with seawater.

They reported that this did not work as hoped in any of the reactors, as the water was not rising in the pressure vessels. They eventually admitted they suspected the return-plumbing (down below the core level in the PV) was ruptured in at least one reactor. So the water was either falling under the PV, into the containment vessel floor, or running out into the turbine room - perhaps both (my guess at the time was the extreme pressure in the PV simply forced the water back out of the PV as soon as they tried to pump it in).

There was no more they could do but to keep pumping in sea water anyway and try to reduce the pressure - which they couldn't. And to vent the hydrogen. Again they failed, as the vent ducts were all wrecked so the hydrogen just accumulated as it escaped under great pressure anyway.

Basically the workers completely failed to stop it because all the equipment completely failed. The rods fully melted and very quickly exited the PVs and fell into the containments in a molten state, and the reactors all exploded soon after. #1 Saturday, #3 on Sunday, then #4 at ~1 am Monday, then #2 exploded internally within its containment vessel (which actually worked!) near 5am, before dawn on the Monday morning. So all had exploded within about 60 hours of the quake, regardless of the sea water injection. Basically all the fuel in 1,2 and 3 fell into the big pools of sea water that the workers had been flooding on to the containment floor of each reactor. Which finally 'quenched' them some. And there the melted fuel has stayed. The sea water flow was then maintained to keep it cool as the water heated and boiled.

Truth is, it could have gone a whole LOT worse than this. We actually got very lucky for if the plumbing on even one of the SFPs had been ruptured and the water drained off, then every SFP on that site would have burned, and then sunk into the ground itself. That would have been far worse. Obviously the Japanese know the reactors are not the main problem now, too late there. But the SFPs have to be emptied of rods, ASAP.


As per (2); I already told you this. It is the DECAY process itself that heats the rods and the corium. When the decay exponentially declines the temperature does too. The former rods are NOT IN the pressure vessels bud. See above as to why they are now underwater.

As per (5); There is NO more fucking airborne fallout coming out of the reactors! Do you not pay attention to the information in replies which you already received and could easily check and verify? This answer was already given to you:

"...The decrease in temperatures, due to the reduction in decays occurring, and sea water submersion of the fuel rods, leads to less and less airborne volatile components (and very rapidly). The melted reactors were doused with sea water almost from day one.

So the much deliberately over-hyped 'on-going emissions' are almost all as solutes dissolved in salty water (brine), below the boiling-point. There is almost no new airborne fallout from those reactors at all right now. ..."

What the hell don't you understand about that?

The fuel melted, it left the PV, it then fell into a pool of sea water, that was running out of the PV and collecting on the containment's floor and getting deeper. Thus the melted fuel became 100% covered by sea water. The decay rate then reduced with time, and the water remained below the boiling point, and the former airborne component of emission, fell almost to zero. There is effectively ZERO new airborne fallout emitting from the reactors today, there hasn't been any for a long time now.

"... One last thing: one village very close to Fukushima dai-ichi was never evacuated, nobody died, how did they did it? Were they rotated also to "lessen the impact"? ..."

Man, are you really that dumb?! You falsely presume that exposure leads to certain death, or even to overt illnesses, in the short term. Maybe a moron might come back with a question like that one, after I just fucking finished telling you that:

"If people are not dropping dead or getting ill, then there is a simple reason for this, their exposures were managed and their doses were much lower than you supposed to be fatal or debilitating. Prompt 600 REM exposure will kill almost all people very quickly indeed. But spread that same exposure level out incrementally over several years and people won't even get overtly ill, let alone necessarily die due to it."

I can only conclude that you have significant cognitive difficulties if you can't grasp the implications of that for people in a nearby village that didn't evacuate. And what the hell didn't you understand about me saying this?

"... but without doubt some of the workers and general civil population will develop cancers, it just may take 5, 10, 20 years for that to happen."

"Random", most people would have immediately realized this implies that people staying in such a village may have health problems in 5, 10 or 20 years time - as they age. So what's your excuse? In fact many older people decided not to evacuate at all, because they figured they'd probably be dead from other natural-causes before a cancer developed in them from the radiation. So they stayed, which is perhaps a viable and reasonable response, if you're 70 years old, stubborn, proud, in deep grief and trauma, because of what has just happened, and you live 40 km away from the fucking reactors. You might figure you're not doing too badly, staying put. Did you think of that? 

But seriously though; pull your head out of your arse and stop asking dumb-fuck level questions, for which the answers were already provided to you.


EDIT: just noticed Rusty posted this video below:

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 23:46 | 3100758 Ctrl_P
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@ Random. Going back as to why the panic and outrage.


Outrage causes a flood of stress hormones.

Panic re-engages stress reactions

Because stress reactions stop you thinking.

When you stop thinking you make limited choices.

when you make limited choices, it is easier to be told what to say think and do.

When you follow orders you become easier to control.

What is the one thing that TPTB want most in the world?




Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:56 | 3100229 CheapBastard
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It's Funny; I read how the Dutch and German embassies in Tokyo were evacuating Day 1 while the JP gubbermint was out publicly telling everyone else at the same time, "It's all fine.....only a tiny leak."


Go figure.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 23:05 | 3100664 Monedas
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Any excuse to go to Thailand and fuck children .... and feel like you got a big dick !

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 22:52 | 3100640 Monedas
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Can I sue the US Government for giving fuel rods to North Korea "The World's First Vegan State" ?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 23:03 | 3100659 Monedas
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On one thing we can all agree .... three mile island was 1000 times worse than Chernobyl and Fukushima combined !

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 00:02 | 3100814 Rusty Shorts
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Listen very carefully...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 00:29 | 3100886 mkkby
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As usual on this subject we have no facts, hoax charts and a lot of scare stories.  Most of the scare stories seem to trace back to Gunderson, who has no credibility on the subject.  Ignore.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:36 | 3113942 cherg
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The fallout map is fake:

So now the non-mainstream media is dissemenating lies too.. awesome!

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