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Friday Humor: Top Ten Reasons Why Fiat Currency Is Superior To Gold

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Authored by John Butler, originally posted at The Daily Capitalist,

In the spirit of the holidays and hope for a more prosperous 2013, I thought my readers might appreciate a little humour to partially offset the relentless doom and gloom associated with the Amphora Report. So please, don’t take this edition too seriously. But if you happen to stumble across a ‘paperbug’ or two over the holidays, perhaps you could share some of the points made here. Humour sometimes helps people realise just how hopelessly misguided they are. Cheers!

 

Number 10: There Is Not Enough Gold (Or Silver) In The World To Serve As Money

Let’s begin with the obvious. We know that central banks the world over have printed money at exponentially growing rates for years. There is now so much paper and electronic money floating around the world that gold (or silver) can not possibly be expected to keep up. You can’t print gold, after all, you need to find it, dig it out of the ground, refine it, etc, a hugely expensive and time-consuming process which practically ensures a stable rather than exponentially growing supply of the stuff.

Of course, we know that an exponentially growing supply of money is a good thing. How else can an economy hope to grow, especially one bearing an exponentially rising debt burden! We need all that new money to pay all that new interest, don’t we? And don’t forget, most things keep getting more expensive, like food and fuel. Don’t we need more money to pay for all that too? What about government entitlements that keep growing in size? If we didn’t have a constant flow of new money, how on earth would we pay for all of that? It is essential that we keep the printing presses rolling.

Number 9: Gold And Silver Are Old-Fashioned, Cumbersome Money

Here’s another obvious one for you: Gold is HEAVY! Who wants to carry gold coins around? They might be nice and shiny, but to me, gold looks even prettier around a lady’s neck or wrist.

The more you think about it, in an age of electronic, plastic or internet money, the whole concept of coinage begins to seem a bit anachronistic. Who even uses small denomination coins anymore, except as household poker betting tokens? I suppose larger coins are still of some use, but let’s face it folks, even those are almost worthless anymore. Coinage is just so passé.

Sure, coins used to have some value. When I was young and I watched Little House on the Prairie and The Waltons I was amazed that at the general stores or other retail establishments a penny actually bought a range of items and with a few nickels and dimes you could purchase much of what was on offer!

But why bother with coins today? I use plastic or electronic money for almost everything. Sure, that money still references dollars, or euros, or sterling, or yen balances of a bank account. But hey, it would be just so barbaric to reference a gold or silver account instead, wouldn’t it? As if banks even hold enough cash on hand for large withdrawals anymore, much less gold or silver. Oh and an ounce of gold, at a whopping $1,700 is just way too expensive for most commerce. So not only is there not enough gold in the world as per Number 10 above; what gold there is, is too expensive to serve as a useful money! Oh I suppose we could use fractions of ounces of gold instead of full ounces, but most people struggle with fractions, including me. Silver might be more useful, but at over $30/oz, it wouldn’t really work for making change now, would it?

Number 8: Gold Restrains Growth

OK, this reason is a little bit wonkish, but if you’ll bear with me I’ll explain why gold-backed money would put the brakes on the healthy growth the world has been experiencing all through this prosperous modern period of an exponentially rising money supply and might even send us back to the poor house. We already touched on this with Number 10 but let’s go off on a tangent here. You see, back when gold was money, people were poorer. Way poorer. And economic growth was often much weaker.

I mean, before the industrial revolution, we didn’t even have machines to do basic work like farming, so people had to have loads of children just to get basic work done, resulting in a cycle of poverty. Sure, a handful of landed aristocrats held most of the wealth, and they did just fine, but really, do we want to go back to that sort of wealth disparity?

Oh and as for the industrial revolution, it was such a fluke. Sure it led to the most rapid economic growth in history in most of Europe, North America and Japan, but it would probably have been way more rapid had money growth been exponential instead of stable at the time. That said, inflation didn’t actually work out so well in France, where exponential money growth destroyed much of the economy in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. But hey, how else to finance that Revolution of theirs?

The American Revolution was also hugely inflationary, you know, those worthless continentals and all. But wasn’t it a huge overreaction for the US federal government to choose silver coinage as the inaugural US federal money? For that matter, had Napoleon just kept on inflating, rather than paying his soldiers in silver coin, he might have won the wars against those Brits and others who refused to inflate their currencies. And why did the Americans experiment with gold- and silver-backed money for so long? Imagine how much faster they would have industrialised had they just kept on printing continentals instead! Ah well, hindsight is 20:20.

Perhaps technology wouldn’t exactly regress if we went back to gold- or silver-backed money but you never know. Some people talk like that. And certainly most of the innovations of modern times would never have taken place had we been on gold-backed money. Think about all those green technologies that promise to solve our energy problems someday. Things were just fine before we started consuming all the carbon stuff and now we’ve got to get back on track. Only exponentially growing money can fund these programmes that aren’t yet profitable. Imagine what would happen if money were backed by gold? We would be dependent on energy and other technologies that actually made fundamental economic sense. No, that would be a huge mistake.

Number 7: The Gold Standard Caused The Great Depression

This is related to the above but hugely important in its own right so I’m treating it as a separate critique of gold- or silver-backed money.

Milton Friedman is famous in part for blaming the Federal Reserve for causing the Great Depression. This runs contrary to what many believe, however, that the gold standard itself caused the Depression. Of course, they are right. Let me show you why by way of a little historical background.

We all know that WWI was hugely inflationary as Britain, Germany and other belligerents went off the gold standard in order to finance the war by printing money. Following years of printing, in Europe prices for just about everything skyrocketed. It didn’t help, of course, that much industrial capacity was destroyed by the war, limiting supply. In Russia, most of the capital stock was seized by the government as part of their anti-capitalist revolution. So there was loads more money chasing far fewer goods in Europe, which is one way Milton Friedman and other so-called ‘monetarists’ like to explain inflation.

In some places like Weimar Germany, interwar Austria and Hungary, there was outright hyperinflation and currency collapse in the 1920s. Impoverished, these countries ended up with highly competitive labour costs, similar to various poor emerging markets today. Britain, however, had gone back on the gold standard in 1925 and thus had the strongest currency in Europe. This made British labour highly uncompetitive, resulting in persistently high unemployment and massive strikes, some turning violent.

In 1927, the Bank of England kindly requested that the US Federal Reserve stimulate demand for UK exports by expanding the US money supply. The Fed obliged. This contributed to a huge stock market bubble in the US, but unfortunately it crashed under its own weight in 1929. Meanwhile, Britain’s economy remained mired in a depression unknown to most Americans today.

Finally, in 1931, Britain decided to devalue its currency. The US was already slipping into depression at the time and suddenly found it had by far the least competitive wages in the world. It was now in a situation comparable to Britain in 1927, yet without another country to which it could turn for help.

The Federal Reserve had already accumulated a huge amount of gold from Britain but, as Milton Friedman observed, didn’t do as it was supposed to do and expand the domestic money supply in line with the swelling gold reserves. Why? No one knows. Perhaps the Fed was spooked by the stock market boom and bust that it had created in 1927-29 and didn’t want to risk a repeat. But whereas the 1927 monetary expansion was not linked to an inflow of gold reserves, in 1930-31 the Fed could have hugely expanded the money supply in line with growing gold reserves, thereby preventing many bank failures.

To make matters worse, President Hoover was advised by some prominent, proto-Keynesian economists of the day that a drop in aggregate demand had to be avoided at all costs and that the best way to accomplish this was to support wages, notwithstanding rising unemployment. As a result, US wages were by far the highest in the world by 1931, labour was uncompetitive, and unemployment was thus far higher than it would otherwise have been, had Hoover left things alone.

So, it is blindingly obvious that the gold standard was the cause of the Great Depression. Not WWI. Not the massive inflation to pay for WWI. Not the widespread destruction of European industry. Not the Russian Revolution and industrial collapse. Not the 1920s hyperinflations and revolutions in central Europe. Not the Fed’s stock market bubble of 1927-29. Not the Fed’s failure to allow the money supply to expand naturally with gold reserves in 1930-31. Not the artificial wage supports introduced by President Hoover and continued by FDR. No, the gold standard caused the Great Depression. Really. It did.

Number 6: Rules Can Be Broken

Returning to the obvious, this reason is so simple a child can understand it. Rules are nice on paper but we all know they can be broken. Just because a country is on a gold standard doesn’t mean it can’t just devalue and leave. Britain and Germany did so in 1914 and inflated like crazy to pay for WWI as explained above. The US devalued the dollar some 60% versus gold in 1934 and left the gold standard entirely in 1971.

Let’s face it, if rules can be broken, what’s the point having them in the first place? The claim that gold-backed money is stable and prevents runaway inflation is just hogwash. Whenever governments choose, they can ditch gold-backed money, devalue and create as much inflation as they desire. They can even hyperinflate if they like. What’s to stop them? They set the rules. Gold advocates are just so naïve!

Number 5: Gold-Backed Money Favours The Us Versus The Rest Of The World

Now for those of us residing outside the US of A, we’re sometimes concerned that the US has the largest gold reserves in the world. If the world went back on a gold standard, then the US would be even more powerful than it already is. It would throw its weight around even more, use that gold to pay for an even larger military and open up more bases abroad, including where they aren’t even wanted, like in Bulgaria. The US might even start more wars, as if it hasn’t started enough already, finananced as they are with the Fed’s printing press.

Now history does suggest that war and inflation go hand in hand. Certainly this was the case in the 20th century. The French Revolution and Napoleonic Wars were hugely inflationary in continental Europe. The 30years’ war was hugely inflationary too, ruining the previously prosperous Habsburg economies. Then there was the American Revolution, financed with those paper continentals. But today things are different. Really, they are. If the world were on a gold standard, there would be more wars, notwithstanding that these would be far more difficult to finance.

On another note, the US economy imports far more than it exports. Wonks call this a ‘trade-deficit’. Really wonkish types have a more expanded term called a ‘current-account deficit’. If the world went back onto a gold standard, then the US would need to use its gold reserves to pay for net imports, instead of just printing more dollars. And at current gold prices, the US would not even be able to cover one year of its current-account deficit!

Imagine, the US would be unable to keep importing more than it exported! It would be forced to become a more competitive economy and it would need to save and produce more and consume less! The horror! We all know that the US consumer is the only thing keeping the global economy afloat. To whom would China or others export if not to the US consumer? What a ridiculous idea!

Well, it’s just not going to happen. Keynesians like Paul Krugman know that there is just no other way to grow economies than with exponential money growth to finance consumption. Saving is the quick road to the poor house. Borrowing your way to prosperity has worked so well in the past, why would anyone possibly want to stop now? After all, savings is the four-letter word of Keynesian economics. Let’s just not go there.

Number 4: Gold Favours Gold-Mining Countries Over Others

Here’s another simple one: If you go back to gold- or silver-backed money, you are providing a huge subsidy for those countries producing the money. Why give them the printing press, when we can keep it for ourselves? Remember, the power to print exponentially rising amounts of fiat currency is the key to economic prosperity. We don’t want countries rich in natural resources to benefit at our expense now, do we?

Sure, many countries rich in gold are in Africa or other underdeveloped regions. They’re poor. They’re backward. Some are near-dictatorships. Many dictators depend on us and our foreign aid, financed as it is with our printing presses. Why, if we could no longer print that foreign aid into existence, these poor countries would have to help themselves instead! No, they’re just too backward for that.

Imagine that the value of gold and silver mines in Africa and other poor parts of the world soared as these metals were re-monetised. Why it would be like what happened to the Persian Gulf countries when oil became a highly valuable commodity back in the 1970s. They became rich! Today those economies are among the wealthiest in the world. They mostly export far more than they import and they have built up huge sovereign wealth funds for the future.

But Africa being as screwed up as it is, they can’t be expected to spend their wealth responsibly. They need the US, UK and other countries to show them how to do it. Like what gas-guzzlers to buy. Or how many flat-screen TVs per McMansion to have. Or how to administer a post office, or a national railway system, or quality state education. No, rebalancing global wealth toward Africa and other poor regions is bad enough. Giving them control over their own wealth is just plain irresponsible. We shouldn’t do it and so we shouldn’t return to gold-backed money. (Please don’t think I’m racist BTW, I promise you I have at least one black friend. Or I did once. Really. I’m sure the same is true of all those politicians and bureaucrats who believe that, without foreign aid, many African countries would end up like Argentina. Or Greece even.)

Number 3: Gold Favours The Rich

Notwithstanding the observation above, that gold- and silver-backed money would bestow greater wealth on countries rich in those particular natural resources, the fact is, today most gold and silver privately held is in the hands of the wealthy. They’re already rich, why should we make them even more so? Wealth inequality is a serious problem, why make it worse?

We all know that exponential fiat money growth in recent decades has helped to prevent even greater wealth disparity. Sure, in the US, the wealth of the top 1% has risen exponentially relative to the middle-class since the 1970s, when the US went off the gold standard and the age of exponential money growth began, but that is mere coincidence.

It is true that real wages grew quickly under the gold standard, which created the largest middle-class in history, but even then there were those nasty Robber Barons who became far richer than they deserved. Some of them were enlightened enough to realise this, like Andrew Carnegie, who gave away most of his fortune. Economic progress is OK as long as people don’t get too rich from it. So let’s keep creating wealth by printing money but make certain that those that get too rich give it away. Or else.

We shouldn’t be too concerned that the banks and owners of capital are the primary beneficiaries of money expansion, as they have first access to the new money. After all, we want our undercapitalised banks to start lending again so we can continue on our borrowing and consumption binge. How else are the banks going to lend us money if we don’t create it in the first place? Sure we have to pay them interest on it, but rates are low so we shouldn’t care.

Yes, inflation is historically associated with wealth disparity and sound money is associated with a growing middle class. But that was before we came up with the modern welfare state that automatically transfers money from the wealthy to the poor, that is, unless the wealthy find ways around the tax code by creating trusts and endowments, purchasing tax-exempt securities or acquiring assets that tend to rise in price with inflation. But they don’t really want to avoid tax, do they?

Warren Buffett, for one, says he wants to pay more tax. Of course he is allowed to do that, as the IRS has a special facility for those who wish to pay more than their mandated share. Sometimes I wonder why he doesn’t. He could dump his tax-exempt munis and hold taxable bonds, for example. Or he could pay out dividends, taxed as ordinary income, rather than purchasing outstanding shares through buy-backs. Or he could live in a state with high taxes, rather than in low-tax Nebraska. Given the complexity of the tax codes in most developed countries, I suspect there are thousands of ways that Warren or other rich people could pay more tax if they wished. Maybe actions speak louder than words.

Of course middle-class families don’t have access to fancy tax planning, as it tends to be rather expensive. Really fancy tax planning requires writing new items into the tax code, something that tax lobbyists do full-time on behalf of the wealthy. No, middle-class folks just have to pay up to compensate for all those loopholes that most never hear about until the government decides that they are no longer politically expedient. In practice, this means that the welfare state is primarily a redistribution from the middle-class to the poor. But no, I don’t think this is the reason for the shinking middle class. I think it is because, notwithstanding clearly herioic attempts, we are still not printing enough money.

Number 2: PhDs Know What’s Good For Us

Back to the obvious, we all know that someone with a PhD is smarter than we are. They’ve got the degree to prove it. Some PhDs even have degrees in economics, which is unbelievably complicated. How else could one understand how exponential money growth creates wealth? How you can borrow your way to prosperity and save your way into the poor house? How importing more than you export is sustainable? How coercive central planning is superior to voluntary, free-market exchange?

Let’s face it, we may all be equal, but PhDs are more equal than others. If we didn’t have them telling us what the price of money should be—or the rate of interest if you prefer—we would just lurch from one economic calamity to the next. The Great Depression would seem a cake walk by comparison, as would our current economic malaise, which they say isn’t a depression, even if it feels like it to most.

If you need more proof, just look at those fancy buildings that central bankers work in. They’re impressive. So are the headquarters of the big private banks. These guys are obviously successful and important, so there is no good reason why they shouldn’t be telling us what to do. They even have a name for what they tell us to do: Free-Market Capitalism. I’m not entirely sure what the ‘Free’ part of that means, as most things aren’t free, except of course those provided by the government.

The problem with gold- or silver-backed money, you see, is that the PhDs would no longer have the ability to manipulate money for our benefit. And since they know precisely what the supply of money should be, we shouldn’t be concerned that they might create too much of it, or too little for that matter. The exponential amounts they’ve been creating since 2007 are ‘just right’, as Goldilocks might say.

Also, PhDs have all sorts of fancy statistics that only they understand. This is because they create them in the first place. PhDs are smart enough to do that, you see. So when they tell you that consumer price inflation is 2.43%, they don’t mean 2.42%. Or 2.44%. No, they mean 2.43%. This precision is important as it determines how many billions of new money they need to give to the banks to ensure price stability and full employment. If they’re having trouble doing that, however, it’s not their fault. They’re PhDs.

Speaking of ‘price stability’, since when is 2.43% growth in prices ‘stability’? Wouldn’t that be 0.00%? They designed the statistics, so why on earth did they choose to set ‘stability’ at 2.43%? I suppose I would need a PhD to understand that.

Number 1: If Given A Choice, We Would All Prefer Fiat Over Gold-Backed Money

As I’m not a PhD, I’m not qualified to go around telling people what to do. Sure, I make suggestions from time to time, because I have a Master’s degree. I even make strong recommendations on rare occasion, because I have an honours degree. (If I only had an undergraduate degree, I wouldn’t even make suggestions. Without any degree, I suppose I wouldn’t open my mouth.)

One suggestion I wouldn’t make, however, is that people be allowed to choose the money they use. I mean, what would be the point of that? We might all choose to use a different money, no one would accept these monies from each other, and so we would never engage in commerce except through direct barter. We all know how inefficient barter is. It is why money was created in the first place. And who created money? Well seeing how they control it, I suppose it must have been PhDs. There were no doubt PhDs in ancient Lydia, where coinage originated, no?

The Lydian PhDs may have had the original idea but it was the Greek PhDs who supplied most of the coinage for the Hellenistic world. They knew just how much to mint. Even non-Greeks used the Greek coinage, because they liked it.

(Here’s a puzzle: Were the myriad non-Greeks who chose to use Greek coinage also PhDs? If they were so clever, why didn’t they mint their own coins instead? Are some PhDs cleverer than others? I’ll have to revisit this at some point when I haven’t been drinking wine.)

Then there were the Romans. Now these guys were clever. So clever that they built a huge empire, with lots of impressive buildings, roads and aqueducts. They were so clever they even discovered how to manipulate money through debasement. This really got going in the 3rd century, which happens to correspond with their decline. But that’s just coincidence.

My more educated readers might know that the Roman Empire eventually split in two and that while currency debasement continued in the Western Empire, which all but collapsed entirely by the 5th century, the Eastern Empire maintained sound coinage and lasted until the Turkish siege of Byzantium in 1453, roughly a thousand years later. But that’s just coincidence too. Empires that debase money tend to last longer. Really.

Anyway, back to this topic about choice in money. We really don’t need it. We also don’t want it. If we did, we wouldn’t have legal tender laws that prevent choice in money in the first place, would we? After all, is choice a good thing? I try to do some shopping for my family once a week. My wife makes out a helpful shopping list with various staple items like ‘butter’. Then I go to the market and find my way to the butter section and suddenly I’m facing a wall of butter. It’s unbelievable. There’s salted and unsalted; Irish, British or Continental. There’s varying sizes, shapes, qualities, type of cow involved, oh my. And all my wife wrote was ‘butter’. So now I’ve got to get on the phone, I’ve got to ask her to be more specific, and so I call her and she’s changing the baby’s nappy, and she can’t talk, and she’s tired and can’t believe that this is the umpteenth time I’ve gone to do the shopping and yet I always call asking for some clarification, be it for ‘butter’ or ‘detergent’ or ‘kitchen roll’ or God knows what. Look, I’m not a PhD and my wife knows it. So why does she expect me to be able to read her mind?

Anyway, I’m sure I’ve made the point clear that choice is a bad thing. It is just a source of confusion. So in the same way that my wife should just tell me what to purchase (as long as she is specific BTW) the government should tell us what money to use.

But just for the sake of argument, let’s entertain the fantastical notion that legal tender laws were repealed and we could use whatever we desired as money. Nothing would change. I mean, come on, we would just go on using dollars, or euros, or pounds, or yen, or whatever. Who in their right mind would actually bother to evaluate the relative merits of all of these different currencies, or of gold and silver as alternatives? Are some better stores of value than others? Perhaps. But I tell you, for most of us it would be just like looking at that intimidating ‘butter wall’ in the supermarket. We would take one look at it, shudder, and walk away.

Quantitative easing changes nothing. Remember, the PhDs are in charge of our economies and they know exactly how much our money should be worth. Those of us concerned that our money might lose purchasing power are just being paranoid. Choice is dangerous. Think Adam and Eve and you’ll get my point. Those arguing in favour of monetary freedom, of choice in money, of repealing legal tender laws, they’re just like that nasty snake Lillith in the Garden of Eden, the source of all trouble I tell you.

So there you have it. Nowhere would choice be so harmful to commerce as with money itself. Even if legal-tender laws were repealed no doubt we would all continue to prefer using the stuff we already are. So for all you gold bugs out there, go ahead and purchase some jewelry for your loved ones as holiday gifts. But please, drop all the nonsense about using it as money. Imagine you gave your spouse, or your children, or your relatives, gold and silver coins instead. They wouldn’t be able to use them as legal tender; they wouldn’t be able to wear them as jewelry. Their only ‘use’ would be as that four-letter word for Keynesians: Saving: What a way to show a lack of holiday spirit. ‘Tis the season to borrow and spend folks, as indeed it has been since 1971.

 

PS – For those concerned by the recent, sharp sell off in precious metals, here is some pertinent advice:

 

 Keep Calm and Buy Gold

 John Butler is co-founder of Atom Capital, an FSA-regulated, London-based fund manager. In addition to managing the Amphora Commodities Alpha Fund, Atom Capital oversees a diversified, multistrategy investment platform and provides associated wealth management and consulting services for professional investors in the UK, Europe, and internationally.

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Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:44 | Link to Comment Frozen IcQb
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T minus 45 to a whop ramp-a-looza...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:50 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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rule #11

 

Fiat makes great toilet paper.  Gold bars or corn cobs..., not recommended.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:00 | Link to Comment caimen garou
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yes and once used as a shit ticket it can washed,dried,and used again and again.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:05 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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#11  Gold is "not productive".  lol.... but I guess Treasuries or Preferred shars in BAC are productive ?!?  Charlie Munger is an asshat.

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:38 | Link to Comment negative rates
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I would suggest to spend each day, as if it were your last, for soon it may be!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:01 | Link to Comment Thomas
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He missed my favorite that was actually presented by a reporter: "Gold isn't backed by anything but the dollar is backed by the good faith of the US Government." Yeeeeeeeooooow!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:01 | Link to Comment Thomas
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And ya can't eat gold! Yeeeeeoooow!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 21:50 | Link to Comment dlmaniac
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"Number 8: Gold Restrains Growth"

Even some of the so-called gold "experts" believe in such nonsense. For example, I saw people @ FOFOA blog preaching this idea and then arguing for the need of FIAT for spending, and that's when I realized these guys in fact have no clue what they are talking about despite all the gold rhetoric.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Word up dog.....I traded my gold for .223 rounds....sold them for near a damn forture.

 

Of course I rotated it all back into gold.....that was close.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 12:30 | Link to Comment merizobeach
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What I don't get is why these fiat printing countries, through banks or other proxies if necessary, don't print all the cash they need to amass gold reserves?  If you're going to deficit spend, to such largesse even as entitlement programs, then why not print a few more billion and keep the gold piling up, too?  Or, is just the reverse happening, with the some of these MBS purchases, or other QEs, coming with small print stipulation that some of the cash must be used/spent to short/suppress the metals?

 

Regardless, here in Taiwan, in addition to traditional international coins which carry a higher premium, we can buy a variety of UBS bullion bars or Aussie kangaroo bullion coins, as well as local products such as the gold 'yuan bao': http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/Chinese_Customs/yuanbao.htm

The yuanbao can be as small as one 'chien' (or spelled 'qian'), 3.75 grams, and they are also frequently available in five and ten 'chien'.  At 37.5g, the ten 'chien' is 1.2oz.  http://imgg1.store.pchome.com.tw/~prod/M00706827_big.jpg

Lots of gold shops around here.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:43 | Link to Comment SafelyGraze
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Colonel Smithers: We, here at the Bank of England, Mr. Bond, are the official depository for gold bullion... just as Fort Knox, Kentucky is for the United States. We know, of course, the amounts we each hold, we know the amounts deposited in other banks, and we can estimate what is being held for industrial purposes. This allows our two governments to establish, respectively, the true value of the dollar and the pound. Consequently, we are vitally concerned about unauthorized leakages.

that was in 1964

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:00 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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Here is an excellent essay by the Director General - Banca d’Italia, Fabrizio Saccomanni, June 2012 to a symposium hosted by the Bank of International Settlements.

In this essay he admits that gold was the "safe asset" of the world, yet for global financialization to occur, it had to be supplanted by debt based currencies. Now, after the financial crisis redefined what could be considered a "safe asset" the world is experiencing a shortage of "safe assets" or quality debt. More debt must now continue to be created to feed the global financialization monster, as lesser quality debt is deleveraged.

"We have achieved a full globalization of financial markets, truly global as emerging markets have been included; we have witnessed the creation of a huge amount of financial wealth but we ended up having no global safe assets. Nowadays, we see that there is a constant erosion of creditworthiness of issuers of safe assets, both public and private, and this process has been accelerated by the declaration taken in the French–German meeting in Deauville, on October 2011, where the introduction of the Private Sector Involvement (PSI) in the European crisis management has generated a plenty of tension.

The history of the International Monetary System, since the end of WWII, can be interpreted as the endless search for safe assets, safe from the erosion of value and the debasement of the currency that can derive from the misguided actions of elected governments, parliaments and central banks.

Gold was initially considered the safest asset as it was nobody's liability, but then the relative shortage of gold led to the creation of the gold-dollar standard, where the safety of dollar- denominated assets was indirectly guaranteed by the link of the dollar to gold. When that link was severed, the world de facto delegated to financial markets the task of determining which assets are to be considered safe and which not.

The problem with this arrangement is that markets are fickle and they can oscillate between one extreme, where all assets are safe, even junk bonds, Greek bonds, or Depfa bonds, and the opposite extreme, where there are virtually no safe assets, except a happy few, where every investor would like to place his or her money, irrespective of the yield.

Then, modeling the demand and the supply of safe assets should consider that the safety of an asset is a matter of convention and cannot be delegated to rocket scientists. One can compute it as the probability of default, the credit risk and the market risk. However, an important role is played by perceptions which, by their very nature, bring into the picture a qualitative assessment of the credibility of the issuer. In other words whether the issuer – private or public – will be able to carry on what is implicit in the definition of safe asset – namely to do everything to maintain the creditworthiness of its liabilities.

The age of financial globalisation has brought us to the verge of this second extreme. The extraordinary growth of financial activity has far outstripped the growth of real economies, leading to the accumulation of financial assets that are largely the liabilities - i.e. the debts - of countries, banks, corporations. The markets are telling us now that this process has gone too far and that a “deleveraging” - i.e. a reduction of the indebtedness - is now required by all debtors, public and private.

The world economy is, in other words, confronted with a “global Triffin dilemma” in which the excessive indebtedness of the issuers of financial assets is now affecting the value of the assets themselves; of all assets, not just of reserve currencies, as in the early Triffin dilemma.

But, how is it possible to carry out this huge process of deleveraging in an orderly manner and without further destabilizing the world economy?

The obvious answer is that it may take time and in any case a longer period of time than that financial markets, suddenly become aware of the unsustainability of the situation, seem willing to concede."

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:30 | Link to Comment Karl von Bahnhof
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Funny times ahead. Those prepared will be not surprised.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:08 | Link to Comment El Oregonian
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Rule #12

Gold is a fairytale. Proof is that those crazy Leprechauns and their "Pot-O-Gold" under the Rainbow! story.

//sarc off

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:13 | Link to Comment Banksters
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Gold confiscation IS taking place.  Just look at all the 'cash' for gold stores.  

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 23:21 | Link to Comment EscapingProgress
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The physical make up of a currency isn't its most important aspect. The most important aspect of any currency is how its supply is controlled and who controls that supply.

The Secret of Oz by Bill Still: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkq2E8mswI

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:04 | Link to Comment Pool Shark
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All Keynesian Clowns shall be forthwith known as "PaperBugs." 

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:54 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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That's clever... But if it's all the same to you I'll keep calling them 'Keynesian Clowns'...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:02 | Link to Comment Thomas
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...or "total Douche Bags"

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:52 | Link to Comment ball-and-chain
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The government can still take your gold.

You have no power.

Tune in, turn on, drop out.

http://www.angrysinner.blogspot.kr/2012/12/yesterday-was-freezing.html

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:45 | Link to Comment TWSceptic
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Keep calm and buy gold bitchez!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:57 | Link to Comment e_goldstein
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and slowly start making your way to the door. No sudden movements, we wouldn't want to start a panic.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:51 | Link to Comment The Fonz...befo...
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Did million dollar bonus write this?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:52 | Link to Comment 1C3-N1N3
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Was just about to say, "MDB finally got his guest post!"

+1

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:56 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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If that's the case, he'll get priviledges to post pics in the comment section... So if a lot of propaganda posters [like: BUY WAR BONDS] start popping up, you'll have your answer...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:56 | Link to Comment TheCanadianAustrian
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MDB is several leagues ahead of this wannabe hack.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:53 | Link to Comment wisefool
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Very good article. Big fan of sound money. Big fan of ZH.

The only problem I have with gold as a currency is that it can and will be physically taken. No excuse for the violence resulting from keynesian PhDs like Hank "tanks in the streets" paulson, but again, people are not evolved enough yet to stop using violence to steal copper much less gold.

*I say this as an oldster. I dont want teenagers asaulting me on the way to by some 'taters with my 1/1000th of an ounce.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:56 | Link to Comment voshnishki
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ohhhhhkay grandpa! as if they can't take your fiat currency either.  Dont get me wrong, gold isnt a panacea for everything but at least its a good start ;)

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:00 | Link to Comment akak
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And fiat cash currency can NOT be taken?  What exactly is your point?

Even given the possibility of being pickpocketed or robbed ---- and really, how often does that happen? --- have your ever weighed that possibility against the very real, and MUCH more likely, and much more damaging, risk of identity theft due to casual and frequent credit card use?  Losing $100 or $200 from my pocket would be infinitely preferable to the vastly more complicated and expensive process of repairing my credit history and loss of personal information due to identity theft.

Cash is safer by far than credit cards, period.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:23 | Link to Comment wisefool
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I'll admit that I don't have an alternative to gold or fiat. I just know from the "money as debt" series on youtube that paper representation of physical gold always gets just as corrupted as fiat.

WRT cash being stolen. yes. identity theft. yes. But with fiat and the proper paerwork you can have a do over. 0.000001% of the money printed every day goes to companies who forgive items purchased via frauduent use of credit cards ... err wait ... I can see where this is going ... John Corzine for SECTRES. Friday humor thread. Have a good weekend fellow space monkeys.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:39 | Link to Comment Room 101
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Yes, under a gold or silver standard, the currency would become corrupted and probably pretty fast.  Best alternative is to not to have an official currency at all and denote payments in grams of precious metal.

But alas, it isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:50 | Link to Comment voshnishki
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Is that what we are to you? Space monkeys?  Have a great weekend, I know I will!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:25 | Link to Comment wisefool
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Its a meme/reference to the fight club movie. no offense intended.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:18 | Link to Comment WTFx10
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Thats because the ownership has not changed in the past 600 or so years.  They have been handing it down to their heirs as they die off but it stays in the family. They and their ilk have to be removed from the rebuild when they crash it this time.

And the last names do matter because how stupid can you be to proclaim its just a coincidence they are all Jewish. What are the odds? Jews can't be immoral? There are no Jewish gangsters? Population of the planet and where does all the "create out of thin air money" end up? In who's pockets? If your hand is controlling the pouring of the booze and your the alcoholic maybe you shouldn't be pouring? Alcoholics deny they are Alcoholics,who are they fooling? Who are the money creators and controllers fooling?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:53 | Link to Comment voshnishki
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Keep calm hahah hilarious! i LOVE MDB, he's so funny

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:54 | Link to Comment NOTfromSanFrancisco
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1) Lighter and easier to carry

2) Burns easier

3) Can be rolled and used as a straw, for many purposes

4) No reflection-no glare

5) More comfortable to lie on as matress stuffing

6) Quieter, easier to sneak up on people with pockets full

7) Flutters nicer and looks better when falling from helicopters

8) Can be used for note taking in the absence of a writing pad

9) Much more recognizable to the general public

10) Much easier to manufacture and place into circulation

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:55 | Link to Comment Dr. No
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11) Allows people to red-stamp "end the fed" all over the face...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:30 | Link to Comment Fiat Currency
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7) Flutters nicer and looks better when falling from helicopters

... Hey - I resemble that remark !
Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:32 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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11) When dropped from a helicopter it does not cause injury.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:38 | Link to Comment margaris
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Exactly, thats because this stupid gold is measured only in the physical weight it has: grams, ounces.... whereas paper money is much more flexible and can "bend" its qualitative value, much like the kid did in "the matrix" who bent spoons....

bending is cool, one of the creators of the matrix even bent his gender.
Fiat money is like a gender bender, whereas gold is barbaric like conan the deflorator.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:45 | Link to Comment Hayek FA
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If we drop Gold from helicopters people gonna get hurt!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:55 | Link to Comment agent default
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The number one reason:  You cannot wipe your ass with gold.  Admit it, when necessity strikes,you will trade in all your gold for a handful of Berniebucks, extra soft and absorbing.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:59 | Link to Comment Jam Akin
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We never will get to that long-promised "paperless society" even under a gold standard, will we?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:57 | Link to Comment TheCanadianAustrian
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The key to successful trolling is writing in such a way that someone can't tell whether or not you're trolling. This shit is rank amateur.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:56 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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gold for cash biatchez!

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 08:07 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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gold for cash biatchez!

 

I see those signs everywhere.......must be some money in it.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:58 | Link to Comment Rathmullan
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It is difficult for stock and option traders , brokers and investment bankers to fold gold or silver into a hollow, cylindrical shape for the purpose of inhaling cocaine.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:00 | Link to Comment 1929agin
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1 buying gold theme, part of current" ponzi scheme" in most all markets

2 gold peaked Sept 2011, continues its downward fall  back to low 1200 or so..

3*** DeFlation *** will eat away at commodities, as US Dollar moves higher...

4 Happy new year to a very "bearish" outlook, imo.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:30 | Link to Comment auric1234
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At this point the Fed would be unable to trigger deflation even if it wanted to (which it doesn't).

If they keep printing money, that's more inflation in the liquidity trap, ready to be unleashed.

If they stop, this would trigger a massive wave of defaults, which are inflationary in nature.

The only way to archieve deflation at this stage would be for the debt to be repaid. But that's impossible even in current ZIRP environment.

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:00 | Link to Comment Bollixed
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Just curious...on a gold standard where all your credit card bills, your mortgage, and your taxes, et al, had to be paid in gold, how long before the State and the banksters end up with the lion's share of the stuff?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:04 | Link to Comment akak
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How would that be any different to the situation today?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:04 | Link to Comment Bollixed
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My point exactly...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:03 | Link to Comment Likstane
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I don't get your point.  AKAK-maybe we can be BFF.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:34 | Link to Comment Banjo
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@Bollixed

I think it comes back to Triffen dilemma. Medium of exchange vs store of value (MOE V SOV)

 

In my view we have a perfect world today. Currency un-backed and gold floating freely. Not "fixed" at $20 or $35 or $42 or $1000

 

To all central bankers, print as much paper as you like please don't remonitize gold and or silver. Thank you.

 

My suggestion, keep enough currency to pay bills say 6-12 months worth and "STORE" the rest in what you prefer, property, land, art, gold, silver, teddy bears, business, equities etc.. (ok maybe not equities right now)

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:06 | Link to Comment Bollixed
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Yes, well put. Also, I'll admit that Martin Armstrong makes some very succinct points on this issue, and I tend to see the validity in them. He makes a strong case as to the downsides of monitizing PMs and the recentralizing of the stash is one that stands out strong in my mind.

Happy New Year to you...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 08:02 | Link to Comment laboratorymike
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Another thing to think about is how a market-based money would change most people's savings habits. If we had PMs as money, for example, we would tend to see the value of saved money increase with time instead of decrease as the supply of all other "stuff" tends to grow faster than gold (charts showing oil, wheat, etc. priced in gold are not hard to find). So, you wouldn't need to put your money into the stock market to break even on inflation, and more most people a "risky" investment would be to put their money in a savings account. Banks would go back to their original purpose of being a safe storage vault for most (checking accounts), and a credit mediation service for those with more risk appetite (savings accounts).

 

For a system like this to work, we need changes to the law. In particular, by getting rid of regulations designed to stifle small banks, and getting rid of organizations like the Fed and the FDIC. For the latter, remember that the reason anyone puts their money in a bank is because they would consider it safer than keeping it in a safe at home or having a boating accident. The FDIC is a scam meant to attract savings that people would not otherwise put into a bank. If we can re-introduce the idea that putting your money in the stock market or in a bank involves risk, and these are not free money making machines, then maybe the banks would stop being free money making machines for bankers.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:01 | Link to Comment Joe moneybags
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To all ZH'ers, have a Happy Harmonica and a Preposterous New Year!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:02 | Link to Comment Diogenes
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Another reason fiat is better than gold, gold is not backed by anything! Really! There is no government or central authority anywhere guaranteeing the value of gold!

By the way do you know why they call it fiat money? Because it depreciates like a rusty Italian car.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:55 | Link to Comment bunnyswanson
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Women and men have been decorating their palaces and their bodies with gold for centuries.  Jewelry is something most want if for no other reason than a watch or a ring. gold stands the test of time, is absolutely beautiful, in comparison, and like children who bring home pretty river stones, the gold stones are the most precious when it comes time to counting your stones.  In fact, ifyou have a gold nugget and are starving and I have a loaf of bread, I'd barter and you'd live another day.

But as I stated before, I think that when it is all said and done, those with the gold will end up at pawn shops to cash in their gold, to pay the rent.  A few years of that, and then the p;rice rises to heights which will not allow repurchase of it.  It's what I think their plan is, and why they are suppressing the price of gold.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 08:26 | Link to Comment laboratorymike
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    IMO, PM price suppression comes from fake PMs in the form of financial instruments. I think it can only go on as long as there is gold available for physical purchase. Otherwise you get a situation like late 2008 where PMs took a huge tumble, and inventories of physical were absolutely cleaned out. I couldn't buy silver for two months at the time. Next quarter the prices rose again to more appropriate levels, and normal trading came back.

    I also track the price of oil and the price of food via the local grocery stores, and have noticed that prices have been pretty steady there as well. My thought is that the political events of the last few months have made the outlook for the markets unclear, and large investors are holding their money on the sidelines. I remember in particular the words of a high-level oil company manager who was giving my department a talk on carbon taxes, and mentioned that all she wanted was a straight answer from the government so her forecasting team could make investment decisions, and that they had long-term projects that couldn't go forward until they knew whether or not the tax would be implemented.

    Once Washington gives a straight answer on what they are going to do budget-wise, I think that the institutional money will start flowing back into the markets in response to whatever is said. Waiting for it sure drives me crazy though.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:03 | Link to Comment halfmetaljacket
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In my charitable trust, i am short gold

is that enough reason to be bullish on gold?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:05 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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Reads more like a marketing pitch.  Gold is still declining, albeit slowly.

 

http://bullandbearmash.com/chart/gold-weekly-falls-40-week-outlook-bearish/

 

Gold priced in US Dollars should continue to fall as the US Dollar rises.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:42 | Link to Comment akak
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You might want to loosen those blinkers just a bit.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 20:38 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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..and stop drinking so much soda.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:10 | Link to Comment TalkToLind
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12)  Paper money burns easier than gold coins and ignots.  (Burning $100 FRNs in rap videos makes you look cool to strippers.)

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:11 | Link to Comment Bastiat009
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A gold seller wants me to buy gold as much as a real estate agent wants me to buy a home because it's always the right time to buy, buy, buy ...

I do not dislike gold and I don't understand why the euro is still so strong or why the US$ is still accepted across the world, but I have to live in this world and I see that gold is not offering much protection these days.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:34 | Link to Comment Colonial Intent
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Think of it as an insurance rather than an investment (if that helps)

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:51 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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#11 ~ Modern day FIATS are mostly joobux... So by transacting with them, you're helping to allieviate their long history of suffering... It appeals to your sense of righteousness to do so... If you're lucky ~ you'll be rewarded with more joobux for your compliance... I've heard they're real valuable... Joos themselves are very happy to write you paper vouchers so that you can hand your gold over to them & they can hold it for you in a safe place...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:16 | Link to Comment SILVERGEDDON
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I have to poop.  Paper sucks, you Wall Street fucks! I'll see you vampires in the sun, with my loaded silver gun. Yer goin' down in flames, from Lower Manhattan to the Thames. Your paper is I know not where, I'd rather shit my underwear!  For, be there bull, or be there bear, silver is the suit I wear! (With gratitude, and apologies to Dr. Seuss.)

 


The only paper I own is the stuff I wipe my ass with. Market paper is worthless, because I cannot do a good job of wiping my ass with it. Gold was worth $28.00 an ounce when I was a kid. Silver was worth whatever was printed on the coin you spent.

 

Any one think those days are coming back? All of the lying bum fucking aristocracy of the Age Of Paper Power can burn in their paper suits soonest. I won't even bother pissing on them to put out the flames.

I collect gold, silver, lead, copper, real dry powder, food, tools, diesel fuel, and other useful commodities. There is a community of folks all doing the same, so skill sets and extra eyes and hands can guard each others sixes, and "break on through to the other side, break on through to the other side, YEAH " 

HFT ain't good for me. 

Credit defaults far as the eye can see.

 

CDS's gonna make some messes. 

Boo hoo hoo as thieves confesses. 

TBTF gonna fall off a cliff - REAL NEAT. Wall Street is a bunch of fucking dead meat.

 


Banks used to be so overleveraged bold.


Now, they're layin' bankrupt,dead and cold. Gonna be nothing but prepper people, all the rest gonna be surprised fucked up Sheeple. God bless this mess. I must confess. I'm a fucking poet,

 

and didn't even know it.

 

RISK ON, RISK OFF. DROP YOUR COCKS, AND GRAB YOUR SOCKS, BECAUSE THIS DISNEYLAND RIDE IS JUST BEGINNING !!!!!!!!! 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:21 | Link to Comment The Fonz...befo...
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They forgot to add the rock, paper, scissor argument...paper covers rock..

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:21 | Link to Comment Clesthenes
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By all means, we need a little humor and diversions from time to time.

It’s clear that you favor gold.  But I suspect that you haven’t considered a number of factors that influence, or will influence, the gold price.  For example, what’s the connection between gold and 1) government guarantees for bank deposits; 2) cash positions of the world’s private companies; 3) Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS); 4) US Treasury securities (approx $3.5 trillion) held by foreign central banks?

When I do the numbers – within the perspective of the practical and constitutional – I come up with gold prices that are almost off the chart.  But, after you study my findings, they become more realistic.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:23 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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Don't forget you can start a fire with fiat if you're cold.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:31 | Link to Comment Black Forest
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Hard stuff.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:51 | Link to Comment Tombstone
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I'd hate to be around when Uncle Benny drops all those coins from his whirlybird.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:07 | Link to Comment WhiteNight123129
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Rule 12#

Gold is backed by nothing, not the full faith and credit of any government, no guarantee, no guarantee zip nada.

If tomorrow people decide that Gold is not money, you are ruined!!!.... Yuk!!!

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:26 | Link to Comment Imminent Crucible
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That is so ignorant and witless, it takes my breath away. You clearly don't have a clue why FRN dollars and Treasury paper are "backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government". It's because they are DEBTS. A debt is no good if you can't trust the person who owes it. All governments are FAITHLESS, and all governments eventually destroy their credit ratings. NO exceptions.

Gold requires no backing because it is not a debt, and depends on no one's good faith or credit rating. In fact, gold is one of the few currencies that actually EXTINGUISH a debt, rather than simply transferring the responsibility for it, as all paper currencies do.

You might look into why central banks are currently the largest net purchasers of gold. They don't believe their own hype, but they're glad you still do.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 21:01 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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Clearly ,you don't get it. Are the founding fathers pictures proudly displayed on your gold bars? Have you ever tried to pay your IRS taxes with gold? Taken your girlfriend on a date with your butt twice as big because of your gold?

You can't be cool around people without casually pulling out that AE Blue when offering to buy the winning round of drinks for your friends.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 22:41 | Link to Comment akak
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If you are still puerile enough to worry about "being cool", then you are clearly worrying about the wrong things in the first place.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 06:04 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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In actuallity, I don't need an American Express Saphire Card to be cool- just a cute {puerile} girl riding along side in my New Red Beefed up 2012 Ford 2013 4x4 Diesel.

 IC's post did not reflect the sarc of the article-I was kidding of course-you guys gotta lighten up! :)

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:38 | Link to Comment akak
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Sorry WW4F.  I have fallen more than once into the non-obvious-sarcasm trap myself.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:48 | Link to Comment e-recep
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he was being sarcastic alas you didn't get it.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:10 | Link to Comment Likstane
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#14 paper doesn't fall out of the strippers g-string

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:39 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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#15  Nobody would dream of stealing your paper jewellery

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:31 | Link to Comment Mad Muppet
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Fiat, Bitchez!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 21:03 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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MORE Fiat , bitchez!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:39 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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Of course you can we can wipe our sorry asses with gold. Just rinse and repeat and save the planet's trees. The gold just requires a special contour.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:49 | Link to Comment samsara
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KCCO

I love it, ZH channeling www.thechive.com

Keep Calm, Chive On

http://www.thechivery.com/

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:13 | Link to Comment bankerbackbacon
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Gold backed money will be the end of us all. that's not to say gold bullion isn't a top asset.

Backing debt free money with silver and or infrastructural assets could be considered FAR superior.

http://larouchepac.com/firewall

 

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:26 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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I don't care if it rains or freezes...

Long as I have my golden Jesus

Sittin' on the dashboard of my car...

(Add a verse)

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 20:01 | Link to Comment samsara
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#8. Stops Growth

There you go. Stops Growth = No Trillion Dollar Budgets, Leverage , etc

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 20:39 | Link to Comment Tango in the Blight
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My gold reserve is huger than that of most Americans...

Unfortunately I have to get my diving certificate before I can retreive it from the bottom of the lake and someone might retrieve it before I can.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 21:51 | Link to Comment Dre4dwolf
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The funny thing is, that FIAT creates all the problems that they use to argue against gold and silver as money.

"gold is too expensive to use as money" yea, compared to your worthless paper it is, but if gold was money then well it wouldn't be too expensive and it would buy A LOT because prices wouldn't be constantly rising due to over-inflation.

Silver is the "optimal" currency IMO because there is enough of it to use without being cumbersome and it can be diluted to say 90%.

 

The only problem with gold and silver coinage is that , today the technology exists to dilute the metal content in the coins while making it fairly hard to detect. . . tungsten coated bars and coins for example could easily pass as gold.

 

But whats easier to fake?

Gold

or

Digital Paper that has no-oversight?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 21:52 | Link to Comment dlmaniac
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"Number 8: Gold Restrains Growth"

Even some of the so-called gold "experts" believe in such nonsense. For example, I saw people @ FOFOA blog preaching this idea and then arguing for the need of FIAT for spending, and that's when I realized these guys in fact have no clue what they are talking about despite all the gold rhetoric.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 21:54 | Link to Comment trichotil
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besides not debasing their currency the byzantine empire kept other nation wrecking forces in check as well (thus known as the dark ages).

sound familiar?

 

preventing Jewish conquest ...
Fri, 12/28/2012 - 23:56 | Link to Comment Monedas
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#13 .... Those vacuum tubes that go from cash register to accounting won't be able to lift too much coin weight .... will have to hire many negro runners with sneakers .... and they will run out the door with the loot .... back to the hood ! I remember Woolworth, JC Penney or the 5 and 10 store .... before the vacuum tubes .... they had wire pulleys that sent the loot to accounting .... upstairs at the back of the store !

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 23:46 | Link to Comment Monedas
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Polio was cured with kids saving silver dimes .... The March of Dimes .... remember those cards with the slots for your dimes ?  I remember during the height of the polio scare .... some nigger shit in the municipal plunge .... they shut it down, sent us home and drained the pool .... I never went back .... we built our own pool !

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 02:41 | Link to Comment bunnyswanson
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Oh - a racist asshole!  Someone needs to administer you a Chlorox bleach enema to rinse out that potty mouth. 

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 00:01 | Link to Comment Never One Roach
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Central Banks are all loading up on gold. Best advice may be to follow their lead. They are alot smarter then me.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 08:59 | Link to Comment DrGrumpy
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Its a shame this article tries to be too clever by half. The author is obviously very knowledgeable, and the history would have been most interesting if s/he had just presented the argument for gold, instead of this convoluted counter argument which just causes confusion. Please made it more staight forward next time.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 02:15 | Link to Comment resurger
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lol.

i enjoyed this read

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