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Guest Post: Feinstein's Gun Control Bill Will Trigger The Next American Revolution

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party - Mao Tse Tung

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military - William Burroughs

Revolution?  Yes, it all sounds rather “extreme”, but the cold hard reality of our era is not going to comfort us with diplomacies and niceties, so honestly, why should I have to sugar coat anything?  We live in extreme times and there is no longer room for prancing around the ultimate consequences of that which is taking place in America today.  This country is increasingly sliding towards the edge of internal conflict.  The Liberty Movement and true Constitutionalists see it, subsections of Republicans and Democrats see it, and most of all, the federal government sees it.  In fact, they may even be counting on it. 

Over the past two years alone, multiple draconian policies have been enacted through executive order by the Obama Administration which build upon the civil liberty crushing actions of George W. Bush and press far beyond.  The Patriot Acts, the FISA domestic spy bill, the bailouts of corrupt international banks, attempts at CISPA and SOPA, actions like the NDAA authorizing the treatment of U.S. citizens as “enemy combatants” without rights to due process; all paint a picture so clear only a one-celled amoeba (or your average suburban yuppie) would not see it.  You and I, and everyone else for that matter, have been designated potential targets of the state.  Our rights have been made forfeit.

There is no ambiguous or muddled separation between the citizenry and the government anymore.  The separation is absolute.  It is undeniable.  It is vast.  It is only a matter of time and momentum, and eventually there will be unbridled oppression, dissent, and conflict.  All that is required is a trigger, and I believe that trigger has arrived…       

Though made to appear “complex”, the gun control debate is actually an incredibly simple issue.  It all boils down to a couple of questions which gun grabbers rarely ask:  How does the 2nd Amendment affect the future?  That is to say, what was the original intent, and should we still value that intent as it applies to tomorrow?  And, what will really happen if it is forcibly removed?  Gun opponents act as though they are unaware of these questions, or maybe they don’t care.  However, it is vital to their safety and the safety of our culture in general that they do finally consider the bigger picture. 

We’ve all heard the prefabricated gun control talking points before.  Some of them so old they predate us.  They are numerous and most of them incredibly thin.  The gist of the anti-gun position, though, could be boiled down to these three points...

Common Anti-Gun Arguments:

1) The 2nd Amendment is “outdated” and no longer relevant in today’s modern society.

2) We do not want to stop you from “defending yourself”, or interfere with the American tradition of hunting, but people do not need “military assault weapons” for either.

3) Your claimed freedom to own guns should not supersede my freedom to live without fear of guns.  We exist in a society, and our society requires us to give up certain freedoms so that it can function.

Again, in response to these arguments, I have to ask, what does the 2nd Amendment mean for the future?  What was its original intent?  Gun control advocates would like to ignore the fact that the Constitution specifically protects a broad application of gun ownership, but when they cannot deny the legality of it, they instead turn to more abstract and existential methods of attack.  They try to twist the original intent of the 2nd Amendment to further their goals.  To respond briefly to each of the above fallacies:   

1) The right to self defense from ANY threat, whether it be an individual, or a criminal government, does not “outdate”.  It is a universal and eternal freedom.  It is a foundational pillar of natural law.  Even if the 2nd Amendment did not exist, I would still have the inborn right to arm and protect myself and those I love, and the best way to do that is to own firearms.  The men who drafted the Constitution were far more intelligent than any pithy gun grabber today, yet, these socialist errand boys seem to believe that they have “surpassed” the wisdom of the Founders.  The amount of ego required to fuel such an attitude boggles the mind…

Gun violence and violence in general will not end simply by banning firearms.  The very idea that any society can remove all weapons from their sight is naïve to begin with.  Criminals always find a way.  Murder, rape, and mayhem will continue until you confront the root problem, which is the human mind, and the human heart.  Only when these two things are balanced in all people will violence end.  Disarming good men and women has never made a society “safer”.  When the power of defense is removed from the people, someone, somewhere, will seek to abuse their weakness.  The most armed entity of the time invariably becomes the subjugator, and usually this is the government.  Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, Mao’s China, Pol Pot’s Cambodia, etc, all contained disarmed populations.  The guns were gone, and still millions upon millions died.  Modern day Mexico is a perfect example of a disarmed population that is now living in terror because of criminal organizations (which, of course, still have guns).  Disarmament does NOT end gun violence, it only changes the dynamic of who uses that violence, and it makes innocent victims easier to attack.

2) Because the legal argument over the “interpretation” of the 2nd Amendment is essentially over, and the Supreme Court has ruled that gun rights do indeed apply to individuals, and not just collective bodies like the National Guard, gun grabbers are now reverting to the argument that we ARE allowed to defend ourselves with firearms, but the kinds of firearms we are able to use can still be limited.  The goal of this argument is to fool gun owners who only possess conventional firearms (hunting rifles) into believing that they will not be personally affected if they support a ban on military style weapons.  These wishy-washy hunting enthusiasts are often referred to as “Elmer Fudds” because of their gullibility.

All gun confiscation programs start by chipping away at the outer barriers of gun ownership.  Like termites slowly chewing away at the wooden skeleton of a home, anti-gun proponents start small and end by destroying the entire edifice.  Anyone who believes Feinstein’s legislation will begin and end with AR-15’s and AK-47’s is living in fantasy land.  That said, the 2nd Amendment was not established for hunting purposes.  Nowhere in the writings of the Founding Fathers do they mention “hunting” as their primary concern.  Instead, gun rights are protected in order to ensure that the citizenry remains dominant over any centralized government that turns to corruption.  We are supposed to police our own political leaders, and without military style arms, this becomes increasingly difficult. 

Gun grabbers will argue that our government is not the enemy because it is derived through democratic elections.  They will say that we can change it anytime we like in the voting box.  I would point out that regardless of which party is placed in power through elections, nothing in terms of our direction as a country has been changed, and, that both parties support almost identical policies.  For instance, Obama has come out in favor of nearly identical policy initiatives to Bush, and I can almost guarantee that many Republicans will sign onto the gun control efforts of Democrats despite their supposed pro-gun rhetoric.  When the two party system becomes a one party system, voting becomes irrelevant. 

Finally, they will admonish the idea of an armed citizenry keeping the government in check as a “fairy tale”.  They will claim that in the face of modern military might, constitutionalists would be crushed.  For what can an AK-47 do to an F-15?  Apparently, they have never heard of Afghanistan, which has used AK-47’s and 30 year old armaments to repel two technologically advanced armies; the Soviet Union and the U.S.  Of course, the Afghanis did not allow themselves to be disarmed…   

3) Here is where we get into the nonsense of intellectual idiocy.  The only real skill which academics seem to have is jumbling piles of logical fallacies together to make a single argument that sounds “rational”, but, in fact, isn’t.  The third debate point is an extremely collectivist one, and collectivist arguments generally exploit the idea that individuals must sacrifice their personal freedoms in order for the group to function. 

The truth is, the group does not matter.  The perceived collective concerns and fears of a mass of people are not relevant.  All that matters are the concerns of the singular man or woman, and whether or not those concerns are legitimate.  If a person “fears” guns and gun violence, then that is their private problem, not the problem of our entire society.  We as gun owners should not have to relinquish our rights because others are afraid of what MIGHT happen to them.  We should demand that they control THEIR fear, instead of being allowed to control OUR guns.  Just because a portion of our country shares this individual fear does not make that fear any more credible, or any more our problem.      

Do They Know What They Are In For...?

Feinstein’s campaign for gun control is not hers alone; it has been the overall establishment’s work in progress for decades.  I covered the broad based arguments of gun control advocates above because I wanted to illustrate the tangibility of gun ownership.  I want to show you where we stand as constitutionalists, and I can say confidently that our moral and intellectual footing is strong.  To be clear, when defenders of a particular idea are right in their position, they are much more likely to fight and die for that position, and they are much more likely to win.  

In the beginning I asked what the 2nd Amendment means for the future of this country.  Not only if it continues, but if it disappears.  If I was a gun control proponent, I would weigh the aftereffects of my actions carefully, because the penalties will likely be dire…

I have heard it argued that Americans are passive.  We didn’t rise up against the last Assault Weapons Ban. We didn’t rise up against the Patriot Act.  We didn’t rise up against TSA molestation.  We didn’t rise up against warrantless wiretapping, the assassination of U.S. citizens, or even the NDAA.  The people who make this point, though, are not looking at the larger issue.  It is one thing for our government to pass legislation; the wider application of that legislation on our streets and at our doorsteps is another matter. 

Feinstein’s bill is unprecedented in the history of this country, and requires widespread enforcement in every town and hamlet in order to be effective.  The way in which it is designed makes a violent response from the public inevitable.  It reaches far beyond the Assault Weapons Ban of the 1990’s, calling for the creation of a massive database of almost all gun owners in the United States.  This database will require citizens to submit their EXISTING firearms to cataloging, and the owners to be filed and fingerprinted like criminals. 

The bill will ban the outright the sale, manufacture, and transfer of at least 120 models of firearms (which have not yet been named).  It will ban the manufacture and sale of most if not all semi-automatic rifles and the bill specifically targets handguns as well.  Large capacity mags and mag fed weapons will essentially disappear from gun stores.  Though, those guns designated as “hunting rifles” will be exempt (for now).

Feinstein has also openly agreed with NY Governor Andrew Cuomo that government buy back programs (forced selling of firearms at a reduced price) and even physical confiscations are on the table:

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/new-york-governor-andrew-cuomo-says-gun-confiscation-could-be-option

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sen.-feinstein-suggests-national-buyback-of-guns/article/2516648

To put this bluntly, there are approximately 50 million gun owners (according to official estimates) in the United States.  If only 2% of those gun owners refuse to submit to the Feinstein Database, and the feds attempt confiscation, they will have a massive revolution on their hands.

Many Americans, including myself, will not be strolling into the local Fusion Center to register our weapons.  Why?  Because gun registration reeks of fascism!  Some might call this “cliche”, but let’s just examine the guidelines of the Nazi Gun Registration Program of 1938:

- Classified guns for "sporting purposes"

- All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.

- Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law (meaning officials could have guns, citizens could not).

- Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.

- The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.

- Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition.

You see, we’ve witnessed the Feinstein gun bill before, many times through history.  We know how it ends, so, there is very little incentive for us to go along quietly.

The database itself is truly the crux of it all.  It basically begs to be defied.  When a government has become openly hostile to common people, destructive of their economy, and oppressive of their individual rights, it only follows that gun registration will lead to outright confiscation later down the road or imprisonment for the owner.  Many Americans are simply not going to fall into the same trap that past societies have fallen into.  The eventual refusal of millions of citizens to voluntarily register will lead to a definite federal response. 

The Department Of Homeland Security has obviously taken this into account, at least partly, by stockpiling over 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the span of a year, most of which are used in weapons distributed by the government for domestic enforcement.  Their projected scenario, I believe, involves limited resistance from people like myself; “gun nuts” and “liberty freaks” who are on the “fringe” of the populous.  At least, that’s what the headlines will say.  In the end, who will care if a few “conspiracy theorists” take a bullet in the quest to end gun violence, right?  But then again…

What I see in America is a much harder stance against gun confiscation than at any time in recent memory, and far less compromising than in the 1990’s.  Gun grabbers are, in my view, walking into a hornets nest.  Most average firearms enthusiast may be less aware of the deeper problems at hand, but they know when they are about to be raped, and will react in kind.  We in the Liberty Movement are often accused of “radicalizing” people against government authority, but I have to say, if that is the case, then the Feds are doing a much better job than we ever could.

Simultaneously, the UN (which most gun owners despise) is helping matters along by using the recent Sandy Hook shooting as a springboard for a reintroduction of their failed international Small Arms Treaty:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/28/un-arms-treaty-nra_n_2373417.html

"European and other U.N. delegates who support the arms trade treaty told Reuters on condition of anonymity they hoped Newtown would boost support for the convention in the United States, where gun control is an explosive political issue."

"Newtown has opened the debate within the United States on weapons controls in ways that it has not been opened in the past," Abramson said, adding that "the conversation within the U.S. will give the (Obama) administration more leeway."

The UN has always claimed that their small arms treaty would NOT restrict private gun ownership in the U.S., and that it only deals with the international trade of illicit arms.  Yet, they try to use gun control actions in the face of Sandy Hook as a rationale for reopening negotiations?  They can't have it both ways.  Either they are trying to tie the treaty to domestic gun ownership in the U.S, or they aren't.  Will our government sign on to an international agreement to restrict private gun ownership on top of Feinstein's gun grab bill?  

To put this in the most basic terms: registration and restriction equals revolution.  Count on it.  It is not a matter of what we "want", it is a matter of what is necessary.  Without a citizenry armed with weapons of military application, we lose our last deterrent to tyranny, and thus, we lose everything.  When backed into a corner, a victim has two options: he can lie down and die, or, he can fight regardless of the odds.  Sadly, this is where we are in America; fear, servitude, subservience, or civil war.

Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws - Edward Abbey

 


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Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:03 | Link to Comment Karlus
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It wont pass. Even a water down version wont pass....

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:05 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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With the right "crisis" they can pass about anything...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Transformer
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Michael Moore carrys.  Well... not really... but, he hires someone to carry for him.  You can do that when you are a rich Elite.

http://www.infowars.com/anti-gun-hypocrite-michael-moores-bodyguard-arrested-for-unregistered-gun/

 

And on Meet The Press, Sunday, the host of the show, Gregory, railed against armed guards at school.  And guess how it is where he sends his kids to school.... yep.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/12/23/NBC-s-Gregory-Mocks-NRA-Security-Guard-Idea-But-Sends-Own-Kids-to-Guarded-School

A good illustration of what it means to be an Elite.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:13 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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What a load of bollocks. Do you really think that Americans are any different than anyone else on this planet?

Stop kidding yourselves. This only ends when everyone has had enough, and that only ends when the freebies do.

Revolution my arse.

The mans a fucking idiot.

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:26 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Revolution would cause disruptions to gasoline supplies, 24 hour pharmacies, television programming, and fast food.  We The People of the United States of America know this as fact.  Therefore, no revolution in America.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:27 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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Not necessarily.  Slow and steady's the way to go.  Precision, accuracy, no disruption.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:38 | Link to Comment john39
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perhaps civil chaos was the goal all along... more divide and conquer, no matter how terrible the cost.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:43 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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Chaos plays into the despot's hands. 

We've already seen the despot foment domestic insurrections against us in the case of the "Occupy" movement.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:51 | Link to Comment economics9698
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Bull shit.  Kill a few politicians, bankers, and fortune 500 CEO's and see what results you get.

The Yids have been assassinating political leaders for centuries to get their way.  Turn the fucking tables on the sub human bastards.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:52 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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Random, wanton, anarchist violence is sure to fail.  Your marxist "revolution" would be over in two weeks.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:55 | Link to Comment economics9698
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Garfield, McKinley, Kennedy ring a bell?

They all supported hard money, which side won?

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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In order to insure the security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganinzed into the First Galactic Empire!!  For a SAFE and SECURE society!!!!!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:41 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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There won't be a Civil War. There will be an armed "Insurrection" by the American People against the Federal Government!

The mainstream media is engaged in Sedition of the US Constitution and deliberately engaging in Social Engineering of the American People 24/7/365. The people must demand a new FCC regulation requiring TV news to carry an hourly warning label warning people of their psychological social engineering practices.

The law abiding People of America are the Government and the people in DC are our elected representatives. Why would the American people grant the Federal Government a monopoly power of firearms and disarmament of the American People? Guns and Rifles are people power.

Try Senator Dianne Feinstein in a Federal Court For Treason To The Constitution 21k signatures so far.

The Constitution was written to restrain the government. No amendment is more important for this purpose than the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment was written so the power could be kept with the citizenry in the face of a tyrannical government. It was well understood the Constitution acknowledged certain rights that could not be limited by government.

Senator Dianne Feinstein has made it clear she does not believe in the Constitution or the inalienable rights of Americans to keep and bear arms. She is actively working to destroy the 2nd amendment with her 2013 assault weapons ban. For this reason we the people of the united States petition for her to be tried in Federal Court for treason to the Constitution.

An outline of her bill may be found here:

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/try-senator-dianne-feinstein-federal-court-treason-constitution/TVq4dXPg

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:54 | Link to Comment Diogenes
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When has the government ever knuckled under to people with guns?

NEVER

When has it knuckled under to political influence and "contributions"?

EVERY F*CKING DAY

So forget buying more guns and forget shooting the bastards no matter how bad they deserve it. If you really want results, ORGANIZE.

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:59 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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Publish the home addresses of all congress critters, government bureaucrats, and cabinet employees. We'll take it from there.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:04 | Link to Comment economics9698
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I second that.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:38 | Link to Comment 12ToothAssassin
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Im not worried because Feinstein has vowed to "take these dangerous weapons of war off our streets” so this must mean police, sheriff and all officers of the peace, right?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:35 | Link to Comment formadesika3
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"When has the government ever knuckled under to people with guns?

NEVER

When has it knuckled under to political influence and "contributions"?

EVERY F*CKING DAY

So forget buying more guns and forget shooting the bastards no matter how bad they deserve it. If you really want results, ORGANIZE."

___________________________

ORGANIZE means Join the NRA. If the NRA is too tame for you, join another political lobbying group for gun rights but by every means possible support ORGANIZED resistance to gun control. All gun owners must put their money where their mouth is.

The fight is not over. The Supreme Court has interpreted for gun owners a solid foundation to protect their 2nd amendment rights but that doesn't mean that gun-grabbers have given up the fight. They will use other means to try to subvert the 2nd amendment. This is the crucial next phase of the battle.

ORGANIZE
Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:11 | Link to Comment LFMayor
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piss on the NRA,  just another breed of political leeches.  Use your money to arm yourself.  Some goddamn suit and tie you send money to isn't going to save the world for you, you'll have to do it your damn self.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 10:46 | Link to Comment PowerzThatB
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Who do you think bankrolls the lawsuits against the anti-2nd amendment grabbers that allow you to have a gun? You might want to look into joining; they do a lot more good than I think you realize. And you can join AND arm yourself. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:26 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Wage a verbal war on government like it has been doing on us.

The more derogatory the words, the better.

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/extreme.htm

 

COLUMBUS, Ohio – New research shows how support for a generally liked policy can be significantly lowered, simply by associating it with a group seen as “radical” or “extreme.”

In one experiment, researchers found that people expressed higher levels of support for a gender equality policy when the supporters were not specified than when the exact same policy was attributed to “radical feminist” supporters.

These findings show why attacking political opponents as “extremists” is so popular – and so effective, said Thomas Nelson, co-author of the study and associate professor of political science at Ohio State University.

“The beauty of using this ‘extremism’ tactic is that you don’t have to attack a popular value that you know most people support,” Nelson said.

“You just have to say that, in this particular case, the supporters are going too far or are too extreme.”

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:41 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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Gun Grabbers are Racists and Terrorists.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:43 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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This really isn't a stretch. Disarming of negros in this land, goes back at least to the 1750's

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:57 | Link to Comment ceilidh_trail
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Gannett published the names and adresses of all gun registrants in Westchester county, NY. So turning the tables sounds like a fine and fair idea...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:52 | Link to Comment lincolnsteffens
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Wasn't that just a great idea! Now criminals looking for guns know which houses

to watch. When the owners to leave they will have all the time needed to

locate them.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 20:39 | Link to Comment Transformer
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It's funny, cause the gun grabbers who published the list of gun owners don't realize that they are at the same time saying to robber and thieves, Hey!  Everybody else, isn't likely to have guns.  AND, the list tells robber and thieves who not to rob. 

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:18 | Link to Comment Obviousman
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"When has the government ever knuckled under to people with guns?  NEVER."

 

Historical fail.

 

The theft of the 1800 presidential election, where a threat of a march on Washington by 20,000 armed members of the Pennsylvania citizen militia (among others) stopped the Federalist-controlled House from throwing the presidential election to the (Federalist) loser of the election.

The Coke-Davis affair, in which the carpetbagger Reconstructionist Texas Governor Coke refused to vacate the Capitol building after losing the election to Govener-elect Davis. He was persuaded to vacate after news of citizens preparing for an armed confrontation at the Capitol reached him.

The citizen uprising in Las Vegas NM in 1879, to reclaim their town government from a mob of criminals with such complete control that they could and did murder citizens with impunity because they even owned the coroner's office.

The Battle of Athens, Tennessee (August 2, 1946), during which a town took their government back from a corrupt machine that used election fraud to retain control of the town indefinitely.

And let's not forget just over the border, where armed men of the Oka tribe had to physically stand off government bureaucrats intent on turning their sacred burial grounds into a golf course despite signed treaties. They won. If they hadn't had the means of resistance, the government would have bulldozed right over them. That happened in 1994.

So just because you didn't see something happen doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 21:12 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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Thanks for the history lesson. Please don't mind if I use it in future posts. I'll add;

Manuel Zelaya Arrested: Honduras President Detained By Soldiers

The 2009 Honduran constitutional crisis was a political dispute over plans to rewrite the Constitution of Honduras. It began when Honduran President Manuel Zelaya planned to hold a poll on a referendum on a constituent assembly to change the constitution. A majority of the government, including the Supreme Court and prominent members of his own party, saw such plans as unconstitutional,as they could lead to presidential re-election, which is permanently outlawed by the Honduran constitution. The Honduran Supreme Court had upheld a lower court injunction against the 28 June poll, However, the constitutional process for dealing with this situation was unclear; there were no clear procedures for removing or prosecuting a sitting president. The crisis culminated in the removal and exile of Honduran President Manuel Zelaya by the Honduran military in a coup d'état.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_constitutional_crisis

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:58 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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Thanks for the link!

PS I'm loving these petitions lately.

PPS If we don't get more signatures on this petition than that one to deport Piers Morgan, I'm going to be very disappointed.  GET TO WORK PEOPLE!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 23:56 | Link to Comment Bad Attitude
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When it comes to those Whitehouse petitions, I don't trust Dear Leader with the names and contact information connected.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:27 | Link to Comment Pegasus Muse
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"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"   

-- Thomas Jefferson

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:30 | Link to Comment Pegasus Muse
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This is what happens when a country bans citizens' right to own firearms:   


Australia Bans Guns, Crime Rate Increases | Gun Control Fail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh4oHK8Dgck

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:15 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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"Garfield, McKinley, Kennedy ring a bell?

They all supported hard money, which side won?"

The evil side won, duh.

Now, tell me, just how do you propose to make society a better place by relying upon evil to do your bidding? All you do is to further empower it over you.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:29 | Link to Comment economics9698
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Jesus himself would approve killing moneychangers.  The one time Jesus flipped out, around the moneychangers. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:53 | Link to Comment Race Car Driver
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It's why The Ring had to be destroyed. Evil begets evil and cannot be used for good.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:20 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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The banksters also tried to kill Andrew Jackson.

Fifty million American households own at least one firearm.  There are 300 million + firearms owned by American citizens.  If only three percent of households rise to the challenge, it would be in excess of 1.5 million patriots drawing a line in the sand.  Imagine if you will hundreds of Ruby Ridges or Wacos everyday, day after day, month after month.

"The fiercest serpent may be overcome by a swarm of ants. "  Isoroku Yamamoto 

What is a "Three Percenter"?

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:31 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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A "Million Man Gun and Rifle March on DC" would do it too.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:40 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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It would be a good start.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:44 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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I imagine 1,500 (seasoned) would throw them for a loop.

A million? They'll be killing each other to crawl into felonious bunkers. 

Bunkers without sunlight. SOMA won't save them. They'll freak out on each other like the cannibals they are. Straight, No Chaser

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:10 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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Personally, I think the better avenue to armed insurrection against the feds is to mobilize from the grassroots up and just ignore the leaches.  Don't let your state take their blood money, don't cooperate at any level, localize your economy to minimize the extraction of federal taxes, and make them irrelevant.

And regarding Feinstin's latest assault on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, I truly hope that she gets her ass kicked back to Kalifornia on this proposal - and her state's population wakes up and gets her out of there, but if that's going to happen - we all need to start making a huge stink NOW - and that means letters and phone calls, etc.

Don't forget the uproar over TARP - >90% against - and they just rammed it through anyway.  We need to make sure this ends differently.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:10 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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Tend to agree with that. Ignore, ridicule, move ahead.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:20 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Feinsteinian Politics in her hometown of San Francisco...

San Francisco says this:

  • No to owning pet gold fish of either sex
    (too cruel-not a choice)
  • No to circumcision of baby boys
    (too cruel-not a choice)
  • Yes to abortion of either sex baby humans
    (not cruel-is a choice)

Is it just me, or is there a contradiction here somewhere?

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San Francisco Considers Ban on Goldfish as Pets to Prevent Their 'Inhumane Suffering'

As for people who would argue that it’s just a goldfish? “That’s how we are in this society,” Gerrie said. “Some people say, ‘It’s just a human’ – when it comes to some that kill. It’s a matter of degree. Where do you stop?”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/16/san-francisco-wants-to-ban-goldfish-to-prevent-their-inhumane-suffering/#ixzz1Pq3LQ1vu

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San Francisco Circumcision Referendum Stirs Anti-Semitism Debate

Under Hess’s proposal, circumcisions performed for other than a “clear, compelling and immediate” medical need would be a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of as much as $1,000 and up to a year in jail.

 

The penalty would give a circumcised man “more legal standing to complain and file suit after the fact,” said Lloyd Schofield, 59, who is spearheading the effort in San Francisco.

http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aC425KLd.d_c

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SF Area Pro-Choice Coalition Stands Up for Choice; Forty Organizations Join Forces to Protect Women's Health

The rally and march are in demonstration against anti-choice extremists who will descend on San Francisco on the same day to push a radical agenda that opposes access to reproductive freedom in all is forms including access to abortion, birth control services, and medically accurate sex education. Supporters of the anti-choice protest include groups with a history of intimidation and clinic harassment, who oppose not only women's rights, but also other civil liberties like freedom of religion and marriage equality.

http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0118-09.htm

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:21 | Link to Comment economics9698
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Yids wanting to kill goyim, what a fucking surprise.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:37 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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We Americans willing to accept contradictory laws, even argue for them, what a fucking surprise.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:41 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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Following The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion to the letter. Disgusting.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 21:35 | Link to Comment Cosimo de Medici
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I've heard there are people who want to wipe out Government contractors.  Can people like you (Government contractors) "Go Galt"?  I guess not, tough to get the GovCheese in the Gulch.  Better deflect the anger and blame it on the Joooos.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:35 | Link to Comment Agent P
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Circumcision is a cruel and brutal procedure.  After I had mine done, I couldn't walk for a year.  True story.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:44 | Link to Comment Pseudo Anonym
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yep,

I couldn't walk for a year.

that's what happens when you have it done in your fifties

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:05 | Link to Comment economics9698
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Or when you are a newborn.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:52 | Link to Comment TuPhat
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I think some people just don't get your comment.  I couldn't walk for a year either.  And it must have been so rough on my psyche that I can't remember anything that happened to me for that whole year.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:56 | Link to Comment Agent P
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Every crowd is going to have its share of Baby Dick Joke haters.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:05 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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Unless you're a Jew or a Muslim, there's no reason for it.  It only creates problems as that skin was never meant to be exposed 24-7.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:50 | Link to Comment Papasmurf
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I know someone who's circumcision was done with pinking shears.  He has a frilly dilly.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:53 | Link to Comment Papasmurf
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Circumcision is a cruel and brutal procedure.  After I had mine done, I couldn't walk for a year.

 

You have to stop yanking it long enough for it to heal.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:34 | Link to Comment Titus Flavius C...
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Wait - who's "choice" is implicated with the circumcision?

 

Seems like there's a little hole in your effort here if you're crazy enough to think that the removal of healthy, sensate tissue, without consent {leaving aside if it becomes medically necessary, or a choice later in life} is fucking barbaric no matter what your tradition says about God giving you land in exchange for doing it.

 

Why was it that God could never give clear title to the Hebros, anyways>??  Always seemed to be some other cats already living there.... 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:44 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Seems like there's a little hole in your effort here if you're crazy enough to think that the removal of healthy, sensate tissue, without consent

Wait - are you referencing just the child's foreskin, or the whole unborn child?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:18 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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zzzzzzzzzing

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:23 | Link to Comment Titus Flavius C...
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Interesting point, but while I don't think it's the government job to tell a woman that she has to remain pregnant, it is the government's job to tell people that they don't get to cut off bits of me because of their peculiar religious beliefs.

 

Again, the problem is the lack of consent and the lack of anything like a solid medical reason overcoming the general ethical standard of bodily integrity.

 

But people who want to make it {only} an assault on Jews aren't going to let you make the secular argument... that way they can call you an 'antisemite' and not even begin to address the merits... which is the tactic of the neocons and Bill Kristols of the world too............... yaaawwwwnnn...

 

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:38 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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I do not understand how you, and so many others, can live with such obviously contradictory beliefs.  What really concerns me is that you want to make me, and everyone else, live in the same way.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:56 | Link to Comment Titus Flavius C...
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What I don't understand is how people like you see a contradiction.  What concerns me is you seem totally unwilling to summon anything like a rational argument.

 

Here's mine:  No one has a right to cut pieces off of my body because of their beliefs.  what is inane or illogical about this premise>?

I'm on the side of liberty and personal freedom - you're on the side of people practicing barbarism and imposing their will on the unconsenting persons of others, while pretending to be on the side of liberty.

 

You idiots seem to conflate the religious freedom of a parent with the bodily integrity of a newborn who has no beliefs at all.

 

If you were consistent, you'd stick with the rest of the old testament, and demand to be stoned to death for whacking off in your mom's basement.

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:14 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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No one has a right to cut pieces off of my body because of their beliefs.

That is exactly what would happen to you if you were aborted, just many more pieces.  So you must be pro life?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:26 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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I'm pro- leaving the government OUT of choosing what a woman does with her body.

I'm pro- NOT monitoring a woman's fertility to enForce MAN-made laws forcing birth into variable circumstances NO GOVERNMENT has a say in.

you're posts here, with pictures, are really valuable lessons in exactly how amrkns will turn on each other, and turn IN each other, in the future - putting up pictures of your "neighbours" with tattle-tale descriptives, along with all your smug foodie posts - which would be commendable were you not so full of you and your family's righteousness - will you be submitting your wife and daughters to the inevitable gov't. monitoring of their fertility cycles?

because once that zygote personhood is in place, there will HAVE to be monitoring of the bodies for COMPLIANCE - I'm sure you'll be right up front to make sure it runs smoothly, camera in hand.

you people really need to think these things through, and get out of your little "I want" role-playing - they want my guns?? NO WAY!!  they want to control woman's bodies for enForced birth?  sure, bring it on, we needs more kids in poverty. . .

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:45 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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aaaaaand, the inevitable anonymous downvotes.

lrn2argue, or getthefuckout.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:56 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Your arguments are always so fallacious it is hard to know where to start, but of course that is exactly your intent.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:58 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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yes, my arguments are too hard to reply to.

I get it.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:23 | Link to Comment flattrader
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hedgeless,

Forced pregnancy based on religious beliefs enforced by the state is a violation of personal liberty.

Take your religous anti-choice crap and pedal it elsewhere.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:12 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Take your religous anti-choice crap and pedal it elsewhere.

I assume you mean anti-choice for mothers, not anti-choice for the child. 

Either way, where, exactly, have I indicated I am anti-choice for either? 

If you cannot find an instance, what does that say about you? 

This is apart from the fact that you either support parents' "personal liberty" to chose circumcision...

Forced pregnancy based on religious beliefs enforced by the state is a violation of personal liberty.

...or you are a hypocrit. 

Which is it? 

Can I chose to own gold fish?

Can I chose to defend my life, and the lives of my children, using a firearm?

 

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 09:28 | Link to Comment flattrader
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Your seemingly clever attempt to muddle the issues of abortion, circumcision and goldfish is pathetic.

What an idiot city council does in SF regarding house pets has nothing to do with the other two issues involving medical procedures that affect adults and minor children.  If you can't see that, a court certainly will.

Though I expect the circumcision and goldfish issues to both end up in court.

This also has nothing to to with the 2nd Amendment.

Your attempt to twist the issues and tie them together indicates if nothing else that you are bored.  Find a hobby.

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:11 | Link to Comment Abaco
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So you don't think it is OK to cut off bits of you but it is OK to cut up all of you without consent? Got it - your logic is clear</sarc>

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:49 | Link to Comment TuPhat
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You make a lot of inane comments.  What's your problem?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:17 | Link to Comment Titus Flavius C...
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What's inane about that comment?

 

Removing healthy tissue from someone, without medical reason, on a person who doesn't/can't consent...  is somehow a matter of "liberty" to you?

 

It's done to someone else, shithead.  no one's arguing you can't have it done to yourself - have at it.

 

What's your problem?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:52 | Link to Comment mercenaryomics
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Hmm... is it within a woman's right to circumcise her male child while it is still inside her?  

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:30 | Link to Comment Titus Flavius C...
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Maybe.

 

What about circumcising or FGMing a female fetus?  If it's good for the goose, it's good for the vulva, no?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:04 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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I don't know why people are equating circumcision with abortions.  Neither is right because there is a human being involved without a choice.  I'm not in favor of abortions but I'm not against the morning after pill or other similar methods.  At what point does 2 cells become a person, I don't know but their has to be a limit, say 30 days after a missed period, that's it, if you didn't decide by then, it's already a full human being and it's desire to live over rides your rights.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:29 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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zygote personhood.

it's all the rage. . .

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 09:31 | Link to Comment flattrader
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CA,

All the rage because the anti-choice crowd is clearly losing the culture war.  It's a last gasp.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:45 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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aye, the rage is very apparent at this stage of the game.

even here, after a year of "RPRevolution" - the same ignoring of facts continues, the same fraternal lovefest despite all that has taken place.

the Son is still polly-ticking though, so I'll keep poking the hornet's nest of hive mind thinking, in the hopes a few will at least acknowledge what they're promoting.

best wishes as always.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:12 | Link to Comment mercenaryomics
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To declare someone "dead" a doctor checks the heartbeat; without a heartbeat, no life.  So when a fetus gains a heartbeat it is alive, not before.  I think that's logical to me so that's how I prefer to define it. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:23 | Link to Comment Michaelwiseguy
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MSNBC is Queer Eye for the Insane Guy Baby Killer news channel.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:36 | Link to Comment Sparkey
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It is wonderful to see someone fighting to stop the mutilation of defenseless baby boys, people who engage in this practice should be jailed, now on to abortion; I think it is perferable to abort the children who have no parents who want to nurture them, if you have shares in prison corporations your desire for profit may be your your motive for opposing this, yet; the human misery created in these children, and the harm it does to our society is prevasive and unrecognized. Apparently poor people have children to get larger checks, if we offered these Mothers, even a Thousand dollars cash, to have an abortion, many would take it. The problem is; it,s not the baby they want, it is the income the baby can generate that is wanted! (Abortion is good! if you don't think so, tell us; How many unwanted children have you adopted?)

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:05 | Link to Comment Titus Flavius C...
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Sorry, but it's clear you aren't familiar with what a "contradiction" is in logic terms.

 

I don't like Feinstein either, not at all, but laws having to do with what you can do with your own body can't be juxtaposed with laws going to do with what you can do to others.

 

My freedom to get a tattoo is not inconsistent with my lack of "freedom" to hold you down and give you one.

 

If you think the government has the right to tell women that she must maintain a pregnancy - that the government can tell her what to do with her body - that's your opinion, but please don't think it's a "contradiction" to hold that while Congress or state government has no business telling a woman she must give birth, it does have business telling the local gangmember he doesn't get to shoot me, stab me, or cut my ear off because of his 'beliefs.'

 

If you think that a parent has a right, absent medical need, to cut off healthy, sensate, possibly erogenous tissue because of their own beliefs  - then there's no simply arguing with you, and all you're doing is begging the question each time you pretend to debate it on the merits.  

 

 

Contra principia negantem non est disputandum...

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:23 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Do you think that a parent has a right, absent medical need, to cut out a healthy, sensate, fetus because of the parent's own beliefs?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:36 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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do you believe that the government, and the people IN government that will inevitably enForce; these laws, have the right to monitor women's fertility, in order to maintain control over her womb?

because that's the next step in your line of thinking - if you make zygote personhood a reality, then you will get the employees, TSA style, to make sure of compliance.

go there.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:54 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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do you believe that the government, and the people IN government that will inevitably enForce; these laws, have the right to monitor women's fertility, in order to maintain control over her womb?

No.

Do you believe the government has the right to prevent me from owning goldfish?

Do you believe the government has the right to prevent me from circumcising my son?

Do you believe the government has the right to prevent me from aborting my unborn child?

Do you believe the government has the right to prevent me from defending my life, or my family member's life, with a firearm?

 

You go there.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:57 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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you're not making your point, nor sticking to the subject in my post that you replied to.

IF you want to enForce monitoring a woman's fertility to prevent abortions, THEN how do you suppose government will accomplish this?  given the trajectory government is currently on. . .

you're free to defend your family, just keep your OPINIONS away from other people's family - stop granting the government control over other people's decisions that don't mesh with your beliefs.

end of.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:05 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Not going there?  Avoidance? 

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:06 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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a common tactic here.

next amrkn revolution, lulz. . .

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:05 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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and just for the record - I don't "believe" in granting the "government" ANY power over the individual, so get yer goldfish, guns and baby, have at it, just get the fuck out of everyone else's business.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:12 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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I don't "believe" in granting the "government" ANY power over the individual

In regards to the Feds, I am pretty much in agreement with you.

Peace be with you.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:10 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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law enForcement at EVERY level needs to be reigned in,

Military Drone Flights in the United States

While the U.S. military doesn’t need an FAA license to fly drones over its own military bases (these are considered “restricted airspace”), it does need a license to fly in the national airspace (which is almost everywhere else in the US). And, as we’ve learned from these records, the Air Force and Marine Corps regularly fly both large and small drones in the national airspace all around the country.

Another Texas law enforcement agency—the Arlington Police Department—also wanted to fly its “Leptron Avenger” drone for narcotics and police missions.

Interestingly, the Leptron Avenger can be outfitted with LIDAR (Light Detection And Ranging) technology. While LIDAR can be used to create high-resolution images of the earth’s surface, it is also used in high tech police speed guns—begging the question of whether drones will soon be used for minor traffic violations.

More disturbing than these proposed uses is the fact that some law enforcement agencies, like the Orange County, Florida Sheriff’s Department and Mesa County, Colorado Sheriff, have chosen arbitrarily to withhold some or—in Orange County’s case—almost all information about their drone flights—including what type of drone they’re flying, where they’re flying it, and what they want to use it for—claiming that releasing this information would pose a threat to police work.

For example, the University of Colorado (which the FAA said has received over 200 drone licenses) requested a license in 2008, not just to study meteorological conditions but also to aid “in the study of ad hoc wireless networks with [the drone] acting as communication relays.” And Otter Tail County, Minnesota wanted to use its drone, not only for “engineering and mapping” but also “as requested for law enforcement needs such as search warrant and search and rescue.”

 

people need to pay attention to the power of all government, including what their local law and schools are collaborating in.

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:16 | Link to Comment N. B. Forrest
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What you don't realize is that a majority of those Californian's like this Maxist shit.  They'll build a monument to her

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:13 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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They better get started soon or they won't be able to afford one.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 20:54 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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funny

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:58 | Link to Comment SILVERGEDDON
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Too bad all the magazine capacity and weapons ownership restrictions in California aren't having the effect they were signed into law for. WTF, Feinstein ? Got logic for explain ?

Same with Illinois, New York State, and both Connecticut and Mass.

All kinds of gun control going on there, and the crime rate has skyrocketed in those states anyway.

Statistics are a bitch, bitchez 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:25 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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Socialism is, for all intents, instinct. Reference Igor Shafarevich's brilliant work on the subject:

http://www.savageleft.com/poli/hoc.html (Socialism in our Past and Future)

and

http://www.savageleft.com/poli/tsp.html  (The Socialist Phenomenon)

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:17 | Link to Comment N. B. Forrest
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double post

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:54 | Link to Comment petolo
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Shovel-ready;Crossbow-ready.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:10 | Link to Comment CH1
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You are mistaking "anarchy" for "chaos."

The word anarchy implies neither violence or disorder, only the absence of rulers.

If there are "sides" or uniforms, it ain't anarchy.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:12 | Link to Comment GoldMInerJoe
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Economics 96.... whatever the fuck

 

Your a Fucking idiot. Seriously.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:44 | Link to Comment WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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disruptions have long been a tool of revolutionaries/freedom fighters/insurgents. see the book global guerillas. disruptions can be very  effective tools of resistance

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:47 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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Not in today's interconnected world. The fastest way to turn public opinion against your cause is to interrupt logistics networks and power distribution.

Your thinking is a full century behind.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:56 | Link to Comment WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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not necessarily. like you said in you prior post, its about precision. the very interconnectedness of the system is its greatest weakness. i dont necessarily disagree with you, it just seems like systems disruption eventually becomes on of the weapons of choice. as an initial tactic, its bad for gaining public support but once things are underway, its inevitable.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:06 | Link to Comment economics9698
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In Iraq a handful, of insurgents held off the US Army for 8 long fucking years with AK’s, sniper rifles the equivalent of 30-06, and roadside bombs.

Don’t fucking give in to this shit we cannot have a revolution.  When the day comes we cannot have a revolution the bastard Zionist government will start herding all the goyim into the fucking cyanide ovens.

We better be ready for a revolution against the Zionist mother fuckers.

When the military power between civilians and the government becomes imbalanced two things happen:

1.  The government has no fear.

2.  The government starts genocide programs of extermination.

Don’t let these bastards fool you, the day you turn in your guns is the day they start shipping you off to be eliminated.

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:46 | Link to Comment Titus Flavius C...
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every time you're tempted to say joos or zionists, just say bankers or international bankers.

 

more or less what you're getting at, more accurate, and will make people more receptive...

 

I'm not sure my dentist is in on the plan to rule the world from Jerusalem, you know>?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:08 | Link to Comment economics9698
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Yes you are probably right. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:35 | Link to Comment mkhs
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What if they wrote a law and nobody noticed? 

Any anticonstitutional law is invalid and void.  Ignore it.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:07 | Link to Comment NeedtoSecede
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Is there a realistic way for us to all just stop payin our taxes?  If we just all said Fuck You on Jan 1, took leaves from our jobs and sucked it up for a few months while the beast is starved and killed.  It really wouldn't take that long for the beast to die would it?  It is so close to crashing we just need to give it a little nudge...

Anyway, Secession is looking better every day isn't ZHers?

And I just added another name to the list: Fuck You Timmah, Fuck You Berspankme and FUCK YOU Diane Feinstein!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:50 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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You don't target your own communities - preventing commerce or turning off the lights in your home town isn't the idea.

Resistance needs to focus on what will impede your adversary.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:22 | Link to Comment WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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thats what im saying. just look at the response on zh to the sandy storm. most people basically said to hell with them and were happy to watch ny get flushed. lots were haping for dc too. i doubt many would shed a tear if dc went dark for six months. dont shit where you eat and dont willfully remain in cities that are high priority targets.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:11 | Link to Comment NeedtoSecede
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And while I am sure there are a lot of nice people in CA, I have been secretly wishing for "The BIG One" to hit and slide that muther and all its dysfunction into the Pacific.  Will we really miss LA and San Francisco that much?  Not!

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 00:41 | Link to Comment WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Zactly.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:48 | Link to Comment economics9698
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If we could get the Midwestern states and at least 50% of the military to support a new country we could be over this nightmare in as little as 5 years.

Yes we can!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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The funny (ironic, not ha ha) part about this is you could just recyle the Declaration of Independance, crossing out the parts naming England and King George, and it'd be pretty spot-on as written.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:34 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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There are 27 offenses submitted to a candid world in the Declaration. By my count, the despot has committed seven of those listed. Along with others, new ones.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:14 | Link to Comment NeedtoSecede
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+100 E9698.

Flyover country plus the south.  Ag, energy, transportation and most of the big military bases are in that dirt.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:48 | Link to Comment AnonymousAnarchist
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There are approximately 75,000,000 gun owners in the US. If even 1% of those owners were to resist confiscation, the government would need to fill about 750,000 body bags. Most of those gun owners are sufficiently obedient now so it wouldn't make much sense for the US government to go gun grabbing unless they wanted civil unrest.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:33 | Link to Comment ejmoosa
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Just 750k of body bags will be needed? And just who do you think will be in those body bags?

 

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:29 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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it's a diet coke

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:40 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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...a big-boned American, a hybrid Suburban, Church's grilled chicken, and a bag of non-psychoactive drugs from CVS? 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:52 | Link to Comment Freddie
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The Patriot Prepper Nurse on youtube says a guy like this is one of the first to die when the SHTF.   My guess is he is diabetic or close.  His fat ass will not make it down the street.   He probably will make a fine feast for the zombies.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:31 | Link to Comment Dr. No
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It aint NY City.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:32 | Link to Comment catacl1sm
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95% of people wouldn't know what to do and would stay out of it. You only need about 1% of the 80 Million gun owners to get involved. 800,000 vs the militaries what, 250k, much of which is involved overseas and even those that are here wouldnt' fight americans.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:35 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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The despot's swarms of officers mostly reside at the IRS.  To a lesser extent at the other central bureaus like HHS, HUD, and Labour.  That's the extent of it.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:39 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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Look at how effective the federal "revenuers" were during prohibition.  The locals banded together to protect their local moonshiners.

Look at how well drug prohibition has worked.

This will be the same thing.  What I'm waiting for is the first state to pass a law in direct contravention to federal restrictions regarding guns (like WA has done with pot).

I think there are plenty of local law enforcement that won't cooperate with the IRS/FBI/BATF/DHS goons when push comes to shove.

Get your Gadsden flags ready to fly.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:40 | Link to Comment Agent P
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It's a good thing these agencies aren't stocking up on large quantities of ammunition!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:48 | Link to Comment N. B. Forrest
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I know many guys in the military and not a one would fight for this dictator against the American people.  And there are countless former military men who still take there oath seriously. 

 

Yes a civil war is coming.  The bigger question is how will it play out geographically. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:15 | Link to Comment CH1
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I know many guys in the military and not a one would fight for this dictator against the American people.

Right, and that's why the elite will never let it appear that there is a dictator.

The military will be insulated, the officers replaced with obedient cogs, and they WILL follow orders.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:55 | Link to Comment Shell Game
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Recently received my Oath Keepers hat and patches for my BDUs.

 

 

Obey the Oath, bitchez, disobey POS orders..

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:11 | Link to Comment Shell Game
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Though, I do agree.  

The military will be insulated

As in drone war rooms.  In this way a few obedient trators can inflict much damage in the name of Empire.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:44 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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In 2008 obama said, "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

A new Civilian National Security force?  That means he doesn't wan't to ban guns from all civilians, he only wants to re-distribute them to certain civilians.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:58 | Link to Comment Pseudo Anonym
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that may be true,

... in the military and not a one would fight for this dictator against the American people

but that is why there is a military cooperation with the canadian forces that will not have a problem taking out americans and american military will not have a problem taking out canadian civilians

http://www.wnd.com/2008/02/57228/

http://newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news38.htm

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:09 | Link to Comment Freddie
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The military has been F over in a major way by this govt.  Far more than usual. Bush sucked and jerked the troops around but Marines applauded him.  Watch any video with the mullah and Marines. The kids in Afghanistan are left there to rot with no mission, with orders not to shoot back most of the time.  Where they get killed or blown up by the friendlies.  A military where the soldiers cannot carry sidearms on base and can be killed like dogs by moles like Major Hassan.  Yeah - I bet the military likes this govt.

Florida now has over 1 million CCWs.  Pennsylvania has over 650,000 licensed hunters.  PA, NY, MI, TX and OH or WI (five states) have about 5 milion licensed hunters.  Most of them probably have scoped rifles. 

There have been an average of 15 million NIC checks per year for the past 4 years.  This is probably 60 million more guns that have been bought in 4 years.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:27 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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My local gun shop, in the mid-Atlantic was completely sold out of 5.56 mm ammo yesterday and completely sold out of modern sporting rifles. The walls were bare, except for a few shotguns.  Seriously.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:30 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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You have to be ready when the email notification comes in that stuff is in stock online, because it's going to sell out FAST.  Doesn't matter what it is, mags, ammo, whatever.  If you see it locally, buy it.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:46 | Link to Comment Freddie
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It is nuts.  Rifles are all gone.  Handguns are selling out especially Glocks.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:16 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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Good tip, thanks.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:49 | Link to Comment Titus Flavius C...
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for fuck's sake - DHS *is* an army, and your state and local police are full of fuckwads who will absolutely, positively, go to war on you if and when told.

 

They're going to be doing it for "security" and defend against "terrorism" - and they've likely kept the potential troublemakers in Iraq/AfPak and just shipped more to Israel and Africa.

 

Don't you get it??  They want and are prepared for a shooting war.

 

It'd be much better to choke off their supply of tax revenue and/or make an end-run around the Fed and its fiat issuance.

 

A non-Fed currency used by the citizens is worth 10 divisions.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:31 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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Depends on where you live, I reckon.  My local LEO's aren't brain surgeons but they're not completely stupid either.  They know they'd be massively outnumbered if they started following orders like that.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:49 | Link to Comment Freddie
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If things get really bad - the cops are home protecting their families.   Where were cops in LA during the riots?  Probably protecting any streets leading to Beverly Hills and Santa Monica.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:22 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Read this book...

"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing.

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:48 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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Aurel Kolnai documented the "socialism" of German National Socialism very well.

 

A sample, here: http://www.savageleft.com/poli/watw-seven.html

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:41 | Link to Comment XitSam
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The patriot/statist split is key, in both law enforcement & military. The split will vary across the country. I don't have good feelings about big city cops. Leadership ranks will have a strong influence, county sheriffs, company commanders. The peaceful expression to local LEO of resistance strength will be important. Yahoos that shoot up a deputy's car to show how tough they are will swing LE the wrong way. LE will band together if attacked. Expect local false flag attcks (by union activists for example).

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:56 | Link to Comment Fedaykinx
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The range of scenarios that could potentially play out across this country will be as many and varied as there are differences in geography and demographics.  the united states is quite a large place.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:49 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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Too big, IMO. That's part of the problem. Splitting it into two countries would actually be sensible. Chart their own courses.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:50 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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During the Rodney King riots, I distinctly remember seeing Korean store owners on their roofs with HK MP-5s guarding their stores on TV - and never saw any indication that the police did anything about it - and that was in Feinstein's Kalifrornia.

I have a feeling if you are otherwise a pillar of the community and keep a somewhat low profile - you'll be left alone.

I'll bet you most cops wouldn't register all of their own personal weapons. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 23:02 | Link to Comment Jreb
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We have a large law enforcement clientel. Most of them are as concerned about things as everyone else. The guys that scare me are the goons in places like the TSA. They are uneducated, arrogant and looking for trouble.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 08:40 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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A non-Fed currency used by the citizens is worth 10 divisions.

indeed... silver is for secrets (according to goog auto-suggest)

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:35 | Link to Comment Motorhead
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He looks pretty good since he lost weight.

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:39 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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You never know, if you watch closely you might see him break into an emergency shuffle...

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