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Guest Post: Feinstein's Gun Control Bill Will Trigger The Next American Revolution

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party - Mao Tse Tung

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military - William Burroughs

Revolution?  Yes, it all sounds rather “extreme”, but the cold hard reality of our era is not going to comfort us with diplomacies and niceties, so honestly, why should I have to sugar coat anything?  We live in extreme times and there is no longer room for prancing around the ultimate consequences of that which is taking place in America today.  This country is increasingly sliding towards the edge of internal conflict.  The Liberty Movement and true Constitutionalists see it, subsections of Republicans and Democrats see it, and most of all, the federal government sees it.  In fact, they may even be counting on it. 

Over the past two years alone, multiple draconian policies have been enacted through executive order by the Obama Administration which build upon the civil liberty crushing actions of George W. Bush and press far beyond.  The Patriot Acts, the FISA domestic spy bill, the bailouts of corrupt international banks, attempts at CISPA and SOPA, actions like the NDAA authorizing the treatment of U.S. citizens as “enemy combatants” without rights to due process; all paint a picture so clear only a one-celled amoeba (or your average suburban yuppie) would not see it.  You and I, and everyone else for that matter, have been designated potential targets of the state.  Our rights have been made forfeit.

There is no ambiguous or muddled separation between the citizenry and the government anymore.  The separation is absolute.  It is undeniable.  It is vast.  It is only a matter of time and momentum, and eventually there will be unbridled oppression, dissent, and conflict.  All that is required is a trigger, and I believe that trigger has arrived…       

Though made to appear “complex”, the gun control debate is actually an incredibly simple issue.  It all boils down to a couple of questions which gun grabbers rarely ask:  How does the 2nd Amendment affect the future?  That is to say, what was the original intent, and should we still value that intent as it applies to tomorrow?  And, what will really happen if it is forcibly removed?  Gun opponents act as though they are unaware of these questions, or maybe they don’t care.  However, it is vital to their safety and the safety of our culture in general that they do finally consider the bigger picture. 

We’ve all heard the prefabricated gun control talking points before.  Some of them so old they predate us.  They are numerous and most of them incredibly thin.  The gist of the anti-gun position, though, could be boiled down to these three points...

Common Anti-Gun Arguments:

1) The 2nd Amendment is “outdated” and no longer relevant in today’s modern society.

2) We do not want to stop you from “defending yourself”, or interfere with the American tradition of hunting, but people do not need “military assault weapons” for either.

3) Your claimed freedom to own guns should not supersede my freedom to live without fear of guns.  We exist in a society, and our society requires us to give up certain freedoms so that it can function.

Again, in response to these arguments, I have to ask, what does the 2nd Amendment mean for the future?  What was its original intent?  Gun control advocates would like to ignore the fact that the Constitution specifically protects a broad application of gun ownership, but when they cannot deny the legality of it, they instead turn to more abstract and existential methods of attack.  They try to twist the original intent of the 2nd Amendment to further their goals.  To respond briefly to each of the above fallacies:   

1) The right to self defense from ANY threat, whether it be an individual, or a criminal government, does not “outdate”.  It is a universal and eternal freedom.  It is a foundational pillar of natural law.  Even if the 2nd Amendment did not exist, I would still have the inborn right to arm and protect myself and those I love, and the best way to do that is to own firearms.  The men who drafted the Constitution were far more intelligent than any pithy gun grabber today, yet, these socialist errand boys seem to believe that they have “surpassed” the wisdom of the Founders.  The amount of ego required to fuel such an attitude boggles the mind…

Gun violence and violence in general will not end simply by banning firearms.  The very idea that any society can remove all weapons from their sight is naïve to begin with.  Criminals always find a way.  Murder, rape, and mayhem will continue until you confront the root problem, which is the human mind, and the human heart.  Only when these two things are balanced in all people will violence end.  Disarming good men and women has never made a society “safer”.  When the power of defense is removed from the people, someone, somewhere, will seek to abuse their weakness.  The most armed entity of the time invariably becomes the subjugator, and usually this is the government.  Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, Mao’s China, Pol Pot’s Cambodia, etc, all contained disarmed populations.  The guns were gone, and still millions upon millions died.  Modern day Mexico is a perfect example of a disarmed population that is now living in terror because of criminal organizations (which, of course, still have guns).  Disarmament does NOT end gun violence, it only changes the dynamic of who uses that violence, and it makes innocent victims easier to attack.

2) Because the legal argument over the “interpretation” of the 2nd Amendment is essentially over, and the Supreme Court has ruled that gun rights do indeed apply to individuals, and not just collective bodies like the National Guard, gun grabbers are now reverting to the argument that we ARE allowed to defend ourselves with firearms, but the kinds of firearms we are able to use can still be limited.  The goal of this argument is to fool gun owners who only possess conventional firearms (hunting rifles) into believing that they will not be personally affected if they support a ban on military style weapons.  These wishy-washy hunting enthusiasts are often referred to as “Elmer Fudds” because of their gullibility.

All gun confiscation programs start by chipping away at the outer barriers of gun ownership.  Like termites slowly chewing away at the wooden skeleton of a home, anti-gun proponents start small and end by destroying the entire edifice.  Anyone who believes Feinstein’s legislation will begin and end with AR-15’s and AK-47’s is living in fantasy land.  That said, the 2nd Amendment was not established for hunting purposes.  Nowhere in the writings of the Founding Fathers do they mention “hunting” as their primary concern.  Instead, gun rights are protected in order to ensure that the citizenry remains dominant over any centralized government that turns to corruption.  We are supposed to police our own political leaders, and without military style arms, this becomes increasingly difficult. 

Gun grabbers will argue that our government is not the enemy because it is derived through democratic elections.  They will say that we can change it anytime we like in the voting box.  I would point out that regardless of which party is placed in power through elections, nothing in terms of our direction as a country has been changed, and, that both parties support almost identical policies.  For instance, Obama has come out in favor of nearly identical policy initiatives to Bush, and I can almost guarantee that many Republicans will sign onto the gun control efforts of Democrats despite their supposed pro-gun rhetoric.  When the two party system becomes a one party system, voting becomes irrelevant. 

Finally, they will admonish the idea of an armed citizenry keeping the government in check as a “fairy tale”.  They will claim that in the face of modern military might, constitutionalists would be crushed.  For what can an AK-47 do to an F-15?  Apparently, they have never heard of Afghanistan, which has used AK-47’s and 30 year old armaments to repel two technologically advanced armies; the Soviet Union and the U.S.  Of course, the Afghanis did not allow themselves to be disarmed…   

3) Here is where we get into the nonsense of intellectual idiocy.  The only real skill which academics seem to have is jumbling piles of logical fallacies together to make a single argument that sounds “rational”, but, in fact, isn’t.  The third debate point is an extremely collectivist one, and collectivist arguments generally exploit the idea that individuals must sacrifice their personal freedoms in order for the group to function. 

The truth is, the group does not matter.  The perceived collective concerns and fears of a mass of people are not relevant.  All that matters are the concerns of the singular man or woman, and whether or not those concerns are legitimate.  If a person “fears” guns and gun violence, then that is their private problem, not the problem of our entire society.  We as gun owners should not have to relinquish our rights because others are afraid of what MIGHT happen to them.  We should demand that they control THEIR fear, instead of being allowed to control OUR guns.  Just because a portion of our country shares this individual fear does not make that fear any more credible, or any more our problem.      

Do They Know What They Are In For...?

Feinstein’s campaign for gun control is not hers alone; it has been the overall establishment’s work in progress for decades.  I covered the broad based arguments of gun control advocates above because I wanted to illustrate the tangibility of gun ownership.  I want to show you where we stand as constitutionalists, and I can say confidently that our moral and intellectual footing is strong.  To be clear, when defenders of a particular idea are right in their position, they are much more likely to fight and die for that position, and they are much more likely to win.  

In the beginning I asked what the 2nd Amendment means for the future of this country.  Not only if it continues, but if it disappears.  If I was a gun control proponent, I would weigh the aftereffects of my actions carefully, because the penalties will likely be dire…

I have heard it argued that Americans are passive.  We didn’t rise up against the last Assault Weapons Ban. We didn’t rise up against the Patriot Act.  We didn’t rise up against TSA molestation.  We didn’t rise up against warrantless wiretapping, the assassination of U.S. citizens, or even the NDAA.  The people who make this point, though, are not looking at the larger issue.  It is one thing for our government to pass legislation; the wider application of that legislation on our streets and at our doorsteps is another matter. 

Feinstein’s bill is unprecedented in the history of this country, and requires widespread enforcement in every town and hamlet in order to be effective.  The way in which it is designed makes a violent response from the public inevitable.  It reaches far beyond the Assault Weapons Ban of the 1990’s, calling for the creation of a massive database of almost all gun owners in the United States.  This database will require citizens to submit their EXISTING firearms to cataloging, and the owners to be filed and fingerprinted like criminals. 

The bill will ban the outright the sale, manufacture, and transfer of at least 120 models of firearms (which have not yet been named).  It will ban the manufacture and sale of most if not all semi-automatic rifles and the bill specifically targets handguns as well.  Large capacity mags and mag fed weapons will essentially disappear from gun stores.  Though, those guns designated as “hunting rifles” will be exempt (for now).

Feinstein has also openly agreed with NY Governor Andrew Cuomo that government buy back programs (forced selling of firearms at a reduced price) and even physical confiscations are on the table:

To put this bluntly, there are approximately 50 million gun owners (according to official estimates) in the United States.  If only 2% of those gun owners refuse to submit to the Feinstein Database, and the feds attempt confiscation, they will have a massive revolution on their hands.

Many Americans, including myself, will not be strolling into the local Fusion Center to register our weapons.  Why?  Because gun registration reeks of fascism!  Some might call this “cliche”, but let’s just examine the guidelines of the Nazi Gun Registration Program of 1938:

- Classified guns for "sporting purposes"

- All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.

- Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law (meaning officials could have guns, citizens could not).

- Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.

- The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.

- Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition.

You see, we’ve witnessed the Feinstein gun bill before, many times through history.  We know how it ends, so, there is very little incentive for us to go along quietly.

The database itself is truly the crux of it all.  It basically begs to be defied.  When a government has become openly hostile to common people, destructive of their economy, and oppressive of their individual rights, it only follows that gun registration will lead to outright confiscation later down the road or imprisonment for the owner.  Many Americans are simply not going to fall into the same trap that past societies have fallen into.  The eventual refusal of millions of citizens to voluntarily register will lead to a definite federal response. 

The Department Of Homeland Security has obviously taken this into account, at least partly, by stockpiling over 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the span of a year, most of which are used in weapons distributed by the government for domestic enforcement.  Their projected scenario, I believe, involves limited resistance from people like myself; “gun nuts” and “liberty freaks” who are on the “fringe” of the populous.  At least, that’s what the headlines will say.  In the end, who will care if a few “conspiracy theorists” take a bullet in the quest to end gun violence, right?  But then again…

What I see in America is a much harder stance against gun confiscation than at any time in recent memory, and far less compromising than in the 1990’s.  Gun grabbers are, in my view, walking into a hornets nest.  Most average firearms enthusiast may be less aware of the deeper problems at hand, but they know when they are about to be raped, and will react in kind.  We in the Liberty Movement are often accused of “radicalizing” people against government authority, but I have to say, if that is the case, then the Feds are doing a much better job than we ever could.

Simultaneously, the UN (which most gun owners despise) is helping matters along by using the recent Sandy Hook shooting as a springboard for a reintroduction of their failed international Small Arms Treaty:

"European and other U.N. delegates who support the arms trade treaty told Reuters on condition of anonymity they hoped Newtown would boost support for the convention in the United States, where gun control is an explosive political issue."

"Newtown has opened the debate within the United States on weapons controls in ways that it has not been opened in the past," Abramson said, adding that "the conversation within the U.S. will give the (Obama) administration more leeway."

The UN has always claimed that their small arms treaty would NOT restrict private gun ownership in the U.S., and that it only deals with the international trade of illicit arms.  Yet, they try to use gun control actions in the face of Sandy Hook as a rationale for reopening negotiations?  They can't have it both ways.  Either they are trying to tie the treaty to domestic gun ownership in the U.S, or they aren't.  Will our government sign on to an international agreement to restrict private gun ownership on top of Feinstein's gun grab bill?  

To put this in the most basic terms: registration and restriction equals revolution.  Count on it.  It is not a matter of what we "want", it is a matter of what is necessary.  Without a citizenry armed with weapons of military application, we lose our last deterrent to tyranny, and thus, we lose everything.  When backed into a corner, a victim has two options: he can lie down and die, or, he can fight regardless of the odds.  Sadly, this is where we are in America; fear, servitude, subservience, or civil war.

Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws - Edward Abbey


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Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:13 | 3102225 Winston Churchill
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Burying your weapon is about as dumb as making armed teachers keep their weapons

in a safe.I'm sure a beserker will wait while you unlock and load if you ask nicely.......

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:25 | 3102517 seek
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I disagree with this one, especially if you're, um, well-stocked. Caching weapons can allow you get them on the other side of roadblocks, checkpoints, etc, without carrying it on you, or allow you to give someone a weapon without implicating yourself directly.

Considering the primary manual for weapons caching was written by/for army special forces, I think it's safe to say there's tactical merit to it.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:05 | 3101919 The Shootist
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Molon Labe, bitchez. For both.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:11 | 3101932 Cognitive Dissonance
Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:21 | 3101972 DaveyJones
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Even outgoing Kucinich admits this is the wrong approach and that our societal problem of violence goes much deeper (near the end of the interview). You know something is deeply wrong when outgoing Kucinich and Ron Paul agree that the biggest threats to our "democracy are: The Wars, The War Machine, The Debt, The Debt Machine, The Drones, The Patriot Act, FISA, THe NSA and the Utah Database. Even Kucinich admits his own party sold this place (and this Constitution) out on the war and everything else for political advantage...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:22 | 3101994 francis_sawyer
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So that must be Feinstein's neighbor...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:50 | 3102118 Transformer
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You got that wrong.  I gurantee you their are a bunch of assault rifles protecting Feinstein's house.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:52 | 3102399 e_goldstein
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She is also a CCW permit holder, or whatever the Kalifornia equivalent is.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:21 | 3101986 Toolshed
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Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:34 | 3102060 TrustWho
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...there must be a huge market for this sign.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:53 | 3102135 zerotohero
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its like a Tarantino movie in the USSA - get your bag of popcorn and watch as the gun lovers shoot each other - what a bunch of cowboys.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:29 | 3102298's picture

Whereas you prefer to be the cow.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:31 | 3102307 zerotohero
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Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:33 | 3103538 Citxmech
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Are you trying to be the new "Methman" here?


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:35 | 3102326 Freddie
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F Hollywood F TV - they want to disarm Americans.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:39 | 3102343 zerotohero
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they don't want to disarm Amerikans they want to dumify Amerikans - and they have succeeded

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:17 | 3102487 aerojet
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I don't know what you are talking about.  Gun owners are peaceful people, just don't push them around too much.  The inviolable rule of nature runs something like:  "You have to have teeth to survive." Lots of Austrians and Hungarians wished they had possessed those teeth while they were sitting in a muddy ditch awaiting their turn to be shot in the back of the head.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:54 | 3102138 Toxicosis
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My next door neighbour has lots of guns.  Thus he must have something real important to protect.  So rob him first with your guns, please make sure there's lots of collateral damage, women and children especially, and steal all his loot.  And don't worry, he loves a good fight, and no I won't miss him.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:13 | 3102219 Cognitive Dissonance
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The only thing of any real value gun owners have available to be stolen is their right to bear arms.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:32 | 3102311's picture


My next door neighbour has lots of guns. Thus he must have something real important to protect. So rob him first with your guns


You'll be robbed first and by a criminal, not a responsible individual. Then you'll blame your neighbor.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 04:25 | 3104294 Freddie
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Hopefully your neighbour (u in neighbor - are you English old boy) defends his home with FMJ and not hollow points. 

Maybe someone with try to break in, he will miss one of his shots and send a FMJ flyer in your direction old bean.   FMJ can go right through a wall.  Blimey.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:12 | 3101933 Ghordius
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sure. gun rights are the most important thing in the universe /s

and there is no doubt that "the UN" is after America /sssssssss

btw three quarters of my collection is highly illegal and I bought most of it despite bans

get. some. perspective.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:20 | 3101983 Titus Flavius C...
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The UN has your best interests at heart.


As does the IMF, World Bank, and the Bank of International Settlements.


There is nothing to fear but an inordinate love of control over one's own life, liberty, and property.


Go back to sleep.  There's a football game you can watch soon.  Perhaps you'd like to drink some beer and order a pizza as you enjoy they game.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:41 | 3102246 Cognitive Dissonance
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I'd like Pepperoni and extra Soylent Green please.

<But hold the anchovies.>

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:03 | 3102433 Ghordius
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the article is about "The Next American Revolution"

good luck finding revolutionaries only willing to hold legal arms /snigger

wake up, this endless and breathless "they are after our weapons" campaign sells. arms. that's all

just check how many revolutions were made despite weapon bans

and who are the sponsors/customers of the UN, the IMF, the World Bank and the BIS? /crickets

it's not the UN that wants to limit your personal arms at home, it's mostly your fellow cititzens living in high density settlements

you sport a nick with a Roman name. how did the Romans solve this issue? radically and effectively? /more crickets

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 13:17 | 3104650 Ghordius
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meanwhile I did read some on this new proposal

disgusting, imo

what I find appalling is this idea of taking on police records not only the names (debatable and applied in many countries) of people owning guns but also the fingerprints. This smacks of pre-judgment and disrespect for the citizen's dignity

all in all it fits with my theory that it's a cultural fight that is being waged - and a distracting one, too

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:08 | 3101934 stinkhammer
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pried from cold dead hands

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:08 | 3101935 Navymugsy
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I'm surprised they haven't covered up every statue that has a man with a gun as its subject.


Minuteman, schminuteman. It's violence incaranate!-Dianne Feinstein


Dead Kennedys-Police Truck-Dedicated to Diaane Feinstein back in 1983:

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:34 | 3102319's picture

The State of Pennsylvania is already portraying minutemen as terrorists:

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:08 | 3101936 Bay of Pigs
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Chicago just went over 500 murders for 2012.

Interestingly, the two cities in America with the strictest gun laws, Chicago and Washington D.C., have among the highest murder and crime rates in the nation.

You ever hear Obama and other politicians talk about this?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:13 | 3101955 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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New York State had 5, count them, 5, homicides due to rifles in 2011, as per FBI stats. Does not differentiate the dreaded ass#$t weapon.

And yet Andrew HUD / Subprime debacle / subsidize the TBTFs Cuomo, wants to ban based on ... thought crime (the possibility of a crime)?

This putsch should politicize the people and wake them from their sleep.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:20 | 3101979 supersajin
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Get out of the 80's my friend!!  DC has the lowest murder rate in a generation this year...less than 100!!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:25 | 3102008 Karlus
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Prob has more to do with high property values than guns. I would guess the commute from the 'hood to DC is too long of a commute for the bad guys...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:30 | 3102032 Bay of Pigs
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My bad. Substitute Detroit for DC which is way over 400 for the year.

I suppose cities like Baltimore, St Louis and Memphis would work too.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:33 | 3102050 Bollixed
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Years ago I lived in a bad part of LA. One Saturday night we had 11 murders in our town...that was just ONE night. Yet the papers came out a wee bit later stating the murder capital of California was Sacramento with 71 murders for the year.

Hell, our town did that every month...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:33 | 3102551 swanpoint
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don't let facts get in the way of a good narative

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:47 | 3102109 Bay of Pigs
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That's priceless,

"So far, there have been 414 homicides citywide this year. That's the fewest since reliable record-keeping for homicides began in 1963. The previous low was 471, in 2009.

There have been 1,353 shootings this year. Comparable records for shootings go back to 1994. The prior low was 1,420 in 2009.

Bloomberg often calls New York the safest big city in America."

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:39 | 3102344's picture

Responsible subway riders have blood on their hands.


Man Killed When Pushed in Front of NYC Subway


Dec. 28, 2012

New York police officers are searching for a female suspect who fled a subway station after a man was fatally pushed in front of an oncoming train on an elevated platform in the borough of Queens.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:08 | 3101938 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Step back a moment. This bill is DOA.

Either the Witch has truly jumped the shark, or her meds are off.

It may be simply a red herring to distract from other things, like Benghazi.

CAVEAT : In order to map reality to reality, everyone needs to get vocal about government over reach and the general contempt of "we the people" which is found at the highest levels of "government".

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:30 | 3102035 Titus Flavius C...
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A generation of American Marines and soldiers have been stop lossed over and over until they were killed, went crazy, or had some of their favorite limbs blown off.

Nobody, save a few, got "voal".


Nobody really seemed to give a fuck, in fact.


Most of this country will stand up and chair if and when DHS is unleashed on the gun toting "patriots."


For fuck's sake, man, people voted for Obama because they think the government is and should be a perpetual lactating tit.


These people still think he's a "liberal" because he promised them free healthcare, totally oblivious to everything else he's done and his thralldom to big banks and AIPAC and big pharma.


Sarcasm and glibness aside - how the fuck do you not feel hopeless?? 


For me, Obama's seemingly inevitable caving in on appointing Chuck Hagel proves he's absolutely subject to the pro-Israel, pro-War, pro-Security State interests that are robbign and ass fucking this country as it votes more for American Idol than the Executive Branch puppet.


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:10 | 3101942 busted by the b...
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I think you would be happier living in Texas, after the secession.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:16 | 3101964 Karlus
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I heard a rumor that Texas was going to annex the rest of the country...not seceed

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:23 | 3101995 F. Bastiat
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Annexing the red counties is the way to go. Cut off the alchemic urban utopias.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:26 | 3102012 busted by the b...
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I sure hope not. The Union would win, of course, and force it to stay in the Union.  Secession is the best option for both.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:38 | 3102073 Karlus
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"Union would win, of course"

Not when we cut off Cali and the Northeast of food and gasoline. They could try and buy if from overseas of course, but that is just a matter of time.

Northeast has some ports, but no refineries

Next Civil war will be over logistics, most likely few shots even need to be fired.

Also, I heard a rumor that liberals dont believe in guns....

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:45 | 3102092 F. Bastiat
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Logistics are critical. Those with logistics networks need to confine them to the red states.

Take all measures, right now, to cut off the alchemic urban utopias.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:27 | 3102285 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1

But, the Philadelphia area has LOTS of refineries.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:39 | 3102342 Freddie
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Pennsylvania has 600,000 licensed hunters.  Probably most have scoped .308 rifles.  Philly would not be that much trouble.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:42 | 3102357's picture

James Carville once said "Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between." Of course, we say "yinz" and not "y'all."

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:26 | 3102723 Stoploss
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Bon' Appetite'


No children were injured or killed as a result of the use of survival rifles. Or the dreaded AR-15

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:19 | 3101974 overmedicatedun...
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society will be much better off if no one has guns, but of course as a member of .gov I am exempt as I am from most regs and laws passed by fed gov. why as a senator I do not have to carry obuma care, we have our own plan, retirement why we have our own plan..guns we have our own is good to be king.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:27 | 3102017 Karlus
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Not sure if green arrow for sarc, or red arrow because serious....

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:42 | 3102356 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Great job Senator Schumer!

Oh, I hear your phone ringing in the background, it's probably Satan, you should take that ...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:14 | 3101946 Freddie
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Rome and the Romans got F over and destroyed by their corrupt Senate and top leadership.   Sound familiar?   The Roman army was sent to hell holes to waste away - far from Rome because the Senate did not want the army around to protect the citizens from the corrupt SENATE.   I am not sure if the Roman Senate was as corrupt with lifetime seats like the U.S. Senate and corrupt Senators.   Getting an idea yet as to who the problem is?

Feinstein and her hubby have made hundreds of millions doing deals and selling out the USA to China.  The same China that came out for Americans to be disarmed.  IS she doing China's bidding?  The Senate.   Anyone remember the SKS rifle "buyback" in California?  Those rifles were "sold" to China and guess what - they were reimported back into the USA.  A California corporation was involved.  I think they were reimported on teh East Coast.   Neat trick - steal someone's guns illegally for peanuts, ship em out and resell them.  Her fingerprints were all over that deal.  The info may still be around on what happened.

The Senate and Senators.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:23 | 3101998 F. Bastiat
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The legitimate Senate was overthrown with the 17th Amendment.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:53 | 3102397 12ToothAssassin
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The legitimate Constitution was overthrown with the 14th Amendment.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:21 | 3102253 ElvisDog
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Historical corrections: For its last 500 years or so Rome was ruled by its emperor. The Roman senate had no real power and existed to give the people comfort that the old ways were being upheld. Almost every time a Roman emperor died (or more often murdered), powerful regional generals would march their armies (the Danube legions, the German legions, the Syrian legions, etc.) back towards Rome to fight it out to decide who would be the next emperor.

So, there really isn't much correlation between what is happening at the moment in this country and what Rome was like in its last 500 years.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:44 | 3102363's picture

The Rubicon has been crossed.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:13 | 3101947 A Lunatic
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Since when does one Bitch in a country of 350 million people get to determine the fate of the Constitutional rights of a nation? I guess it's okay to kill someone with a revolver rather than an assault rifle? This is beyond absurd on many levels.........

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:43 | 3102085 Chaos_Theory
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Revolvers are going to be part of part B to the ban.  All rifles and shotguns will be part C. 

It is absurd at how this mirrors the Nazi program and yet the media will never allow that fact to be discussed in the mainstream.  Hey Sheeple, look, American Idol is back on! 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:21 | 3102506 aerojet
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A revolver is just a medium-capacity semi-auto assault weapon.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:00 | 3102162 Kastorsky
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not just any bitch - israel citizen - they are above you

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:12 | 3101950 gbresnahan
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ive been saying for years i think a new civil war will happen before a new world war.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:17 | 3101967 Karlus
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Who do you suppose the two sides will be? Will it just be two sides?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:23 | 3101999 Overfed
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I don't think it will be two sides. Think Balkans.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:30 | 3102034 Dr. Engali
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I've held that belief for years. We will eventually be a series of balkanized states on one continent much like Europe.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:29 | 3102295 Winston Churchill
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Me also.

Very little holding the USA together and there are so many wedges out there.

But I also think that was the plan all along.

Divide and conquer has always worked.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:13 | 3101954 Joe A
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A rule in politics is to use a window of opportunity. If there is none create one and you can try as many times as needed. Oh, and when used, make sure to close it shut.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:16 | 3101961 Sisyphus
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A Revolution? Uh!, based on our size, maybe not. It takes too long of a time.
A Rotation? Maybe.
Unless NBA, NFL, MLB, NCAA, NCAAB, Nascar, IndyCar, World Chairmanship of Poker, American Idle, Dancing with the yesteryears, Honey Moo Moo! etc. are involved.

But, what do I know; I have been pushing that stone for years!!!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:16 | 3101965 Magnix
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Civil war? I dont think so, we have banned these assult weapons during Bush admin before and no civil war occurred and it probably will not pass anyway.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:35 | 3102065 gnomon
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No, you are wrong.  The registration and fingerprinting provisions are the very bright red lines with this proposed bill along with taking away property by not allowing firearms to be transferred either before or after death.  So personal property rights are violated along with intrusive mandates that will make criminals of many, because I predict most will not comply.  

Then if they start attaching financial penalties for noncompliance, (which can not be easily proved), they will have a revolution on their hands.  And if they start kicking down doors, they will have a bloodbath, if not a Civil War.

Don't Tread On Me, Motherfuckers!  I will not go quietly into that good night.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:44 | 3102090 ArgentDawn
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The prior ban expired in 04 during GWB, and was signed in 94 by Clinton. It also only really banned a few mags and some accessories for rifles.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:02 | 3102173 stant
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that was a diffrent time everybody so inclined all ready had something and mostly laughed at it. you could get anything you wanted out here in fly over country.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:18 | 3101973 francis_sawyer
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Bartender: "You just shot an unarmed man"

William Muny: "Well ~ He should have armed himself"

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:19 | 3101976 Hannibal
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Know what happen when self defense of your life and property is illegal.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:20 | 3101977 TheMayor
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"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:03 | 3102667 Citxmech
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"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will

look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."

-- Mahatma Gandhi

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:21 | 3101987 Bastiat009
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"The Next American Revolution" ... seriously? Those headlines are getting ridiculous. No one is going to move, as always in the US where people are too fat, too lazy, too much in love with NFL players (never saw a place where grown-up men would wear another man's name on their backs like gay lovers like the US ... Obamacare was not really opposed and people will pay (Obama even got re-elected). Banks took over the country a few years back and NOBODY moved. Just another ridiculous headline.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:53 | 3102132 viahj
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so then, your avatar is some sort of sick joke then?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:47 | 3102375 Freddie
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TV, Hollywood and ball sports are for stupid sheep/serfs who like being brainwashed. 

Less than 20% of Americans wanted the British out of America.  The astronomical sales of guns over the past 4 years show that the public is starting to pay atttention.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:22 | 3101991 shutupnsing
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“Among the many misdeeds of British rule of India, history will look upon the Acts of depriving a whole nation of arms as the BLACKEST.” ~ Mohandas Gandhi/ An Autobiography, Pg 446

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:01 | 3102165 Toxicosis
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"Arms" in this context were military arms not the personal weapons of private individuals. The context of "depriving of the whole nation of arms" was the refusal of the British to conscript Indians into the British Army during the First World War. Gandhi was an extreme anti-militarist. The statement is odd coming out of him, but he used the circumstance for political purposes to advance the cause of Home Rule and Independence.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:23 | 3101996 Pumpkin
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These laws will be in full effect, within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.  Title 18 section 7 of US code defines that jurisdiction and says three times that IT DOES NOT EXTEND INTO THE STATES. We do not need a revolution but need to read the law.  The states are sovereign jurisdictions according to The Northwest Ordinance, which is part of the US code and is still in effect.  As a matter of fact, most states admission into the union was predicated on the fact that their state constitutions could not be repugnant to that ordinance.  Read the laws people, stop bitching.  Your ignorance is what rules you. Look up Organic Laws of The United States of America and see for yourself.  Please.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:32 | 3102044 Dr. Venkman
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As a practical matter, this is not true;

As a legal matter, also not true.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:23 | 3102001 sangell
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Unless we have a Saddam Hussein or Bashar Assad in the White House why would US civilians be facing M-1 tanks or F-15's? The commanding generals of the US Air Force are not going to bomb Americans and neither would Army generals use their tanks to attack American neighborhoods. Were they to be given orders to do so the more likely bet is they would overthrow any president giving such demented orders.

I trust American military officers good sense and loyalty to the Constitution more than I do Washington politicians.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:27 | 3102022 Dr. Engali
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That is what the drones are for. It's easier to control a pimply faced kid playing video games than it is to control servicemen and women who might turn against the corruption.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:31 | 3102039 Karlus
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Until they are blackmailed or replaced by good liberal administrators. These guys will do anything to keep their jerbs.

That said, I doubt most military (from Flyover, USA) would actually get into suppressing civvies, but still dont trust them.

I plead the 2nd

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:44 | 3102086 Rearranging Dec...
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If you think that the military won't attack american citizens excercising political rights you need to read up on the Bonus Army from the 1930's. Go research what Macarthur and his troops did to a bunch of American Veterans. If they'll do it to their fellow soldiers they'll do it to anyone. Don't kid yourself.


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:45 | 3102360 Bicycle Repairman
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Look up the army officers that led the attack on the bonus army.  How did they end up?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:47 | 3102378 ejmoosa
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OTOH, during Hitler's rise, as long as the military leaders were getting what they wanted from the government, they followed Hitler's direction.  Not every military leader is there for patriotic reasons.  And why we do not know which ones will go which way. you can be certain Obama and Friends have already heavily profiled these guys.

And it might be why some of these military leaders are being scandalled out of their positions in advance.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:20 | 3102502 moondog
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The Department of Homeland Security has purchased 1 billion rounds of ammunition over the past year. I wouldn't be concerned about the military.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:38 | 3102777 TheObsoleteMan
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You are foolishly placing your trust. These career officers violate their oath daily; First, they take orders from a man who is not legally qualified to be their commander in chief. Secondly, they are to uphold and protect the Constitution, when was the last time any of them did that? {especially the foreign AND DOMESTIC part}. They are carefully vetted, and all the loyal, patriotic  types never are promoted to join the general corps. The generals only care about their pensions, and their jobs with think tanks and military contractors after their retirements. Anybody that gets in way of that they would mow down like tall grass.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:25 | 3102004 Dr. Venkman
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Unfortunately, the Heller decision leaves open the question of what types of guns our Second Amendment rights hinge on (e.g. a sawed off shotgun is properly excluded.) And it does not focus on a citizen's right to stand up to his or her government, but a citizen's right to self-defense. Take that for what it's worth.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:26 | 3102013 A82EBA
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Ammo up 10% in Houston..10mm before Christmas $22, after Christmas $24

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:45 | 3102098 F. Bastiat
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At least ammo is available.  In parts of the mid-Atlantic, ammo is sold completely out.  Modern sporting rifles are also sold completely out.  The walls are bare.  Seriously.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:38 | 3102565 The Gooch
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People should have known better on election day.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:09 | 3102685 Citxmech
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If you think today would be any different with that cunt Mittens at the helm, you are delusional.

Varmint hunting/Lifetime NRA member - what a joke.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:29 | 3102752 The Gooch
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I wrote in my Rottweiler (He's a FIERCE libertarian) and Gary Johnson. 

I voted on local shit.

"Varmint hunting/Lifetime NRA member"



Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:55 | 3102863 Citxmech
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Good deal.

I was referring to Mittens' whoring to the NRA crowd.


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:26 | 3102015 billwilson
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Fucking idiot ... and I am being charitable as it is that time of the year.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:26 | 3102018 RagnarDanneskjold
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There won't be a war. About 30-35 of the states will tell the Feds to #$%^ off.

There may never be explicit secession, fedgov will simply rot as it goes broke. Law has no power if it is not enforced. Recall Jim Crow, the South successfully fought fedgov for 100 years. 

For example, the State of Alabama could declare all males over the age of 18 are eligible for voluntary service in the Alabama State Militia. All members will be issued and trained in the use of fully automatic M-16s, and be required to keep them at home. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:27 | 3102054 pashley1411
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There is no evidence that the poltical leadership of Alabama has the will to cut away from the federal tit.  Au contraire.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:28 | 3102025 Northeaster
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"registration and restriction equals revolution.  Count on it."

We already have it and no one did anything, what's a little more going to do? The East and West Coasts will just surrender willingly, and middle-America will get steamrolled one-by-one.

It sounds nice, but if Americans haven't done anything after the past 12 years of massive usurpation of all laws, they won't be doing anything for this one either.

Enjoy your plutocracy, Banana Republic, Kleptocracy and deal with it, Americans are too fat, lazy or in an MSM coma to give a shit.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:28 | 3102026 L_Conquistador
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Just think, somewhere in America right now, some isolated adolescent kid is playing video games on-line, and talking with his friends.   He's never met them, other than on-line, and they happen to be the only people who talk to him, outside his family.  These guys understand him and the issues he has with the bullies at school and on the bus.  He's opened up to them, told them about the fact that there are some guns in his house that are similar to those in the video game, and that he's even shot them down at the range a time or two.  His friends love these stories, and they love his fantasies about doing some damage some day.  You might even say his friends encourage him to have these thoughts.  You might even say his friends are highly-trained members of our military, working in psy-ops.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:57 | 3102144 blunderdog
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    You might even say his friends are highly-trained members of our military, working in psy-ops.

That could even be TRUE, but no way to know.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:20 | 3102255 L_Conquistador
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I think there is a good chance that it is true.  Watching how emotional the boys in my family get when they're playing convinces me that any kid on there, especially at 8 or 10 hours at a time, could be very susceptible to manipulation by people trained in military use of psychology.  If I were a reporter, I'd find out about the on-line circle of friends that Landas played with and follow-up on this possibility. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:28 | 3102290 blunderdog
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Through counterintelligence it should be possible to identify potential troublemakers and neutralize them.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:48 | 3102382 a growing concern
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Wake Up!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:13 | 3102475 moondog
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If there were any real reporters left in the MSM. Corporate shills, working in the entertainment industry, describes modern "reporters".

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:29 | 3102027 shutupnsing
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Fictionalize & Sensationalize gun violence. Check!

Demonize good law-abiding gun owners (Journal News). Check!

Censor & deactivate pro-gun FB Accounts. Check!

Marginalize the Becks & Jones of the world. Check!


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:33 | 3102053 L_Conquistador
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You left out "repeat" at the end.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:58 | 3102884 Citxmech
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IDK, Beck and Jones do a pretty good job of marginalizing themselves. . .

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:30 | 3102037 pashley1411
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I have no problems with an insurrection, but every problem with the collateral damage. 

The ruling elite in this country who would beggar us all could comfortably fit into a few precincts (and probably do).    But the soliders and police and citizens killed in an insurrection would be 100's of thousands.  

The country, really, has no problems that leadership and good elections can't solve.    

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:42 | 3102079 Ima anal sphincter
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The country, really, has no problems that leadership and good elections can't solve.

And..... you can count on ONE hand the amount of TRUE leaders in DC.

The elections are rigged..... didn't you know that. How else would we have ended up with all the traitors that we've got now.

As far as guns go..... does anybody really think these assholes are going to take our guns away????? Fat fucking chance in hell. As dumb as most Americans are, you come for their guns, they'll be in use.

Fuck my current government.

"Remove" these fucks and put the Constitution back in it's rightful place.

(As a side note: George Sr. should be dead soon. I wish him a quick trip to hell. I sure wish Kissinger and Rockefeller would join him QUICKLY!!! Please feel free to add any other names you would like. There are thousands...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:53 | 3102398's picture


The country, really, has no problems that leadership and good elections can't solve.


Well they do have that fiscal cliff thing under control.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:32 | 3102047 TacticalTrading
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Resistance is Futile

It won't pass

She probably has friends in the gun business, or is doing this as a favor to recently retired "government officials" that just bought stock in gun companies.

Why would she do that? 

Because this bill is designed to one thing and one thing only, Spur Gun Sales!!!!


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:22 | 3102509 NotApplicable
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She does it because she's from SF, where these beliefs are quite common. There's also the added benefit of filling the air with noise, as otherwise the silence would allow time for questions of her own criminality to arise.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:26 | 3103011 BlackChicken
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Because this bill is designed to one thing and one thing only, Spur Gun Sales!!!!

Well that sure is what is happening. We know our leaders can be out of touch from time to time, or out to lunch on doing anything to really help us, but something else could be happening here.

What could be coming that they might actually want us as armed as possible? I don't have the answers, but something else must be going on here.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:35 | 3102061 Conax
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Di Fi's idiotic grab could be thought of as a source of bargaining chips.  She (they) go for the whole enchilada, then trade off bits here and there to gain passage of something.

They do this all the time. We should still watch her (them) very closely, and continue to put up salient arguments in social media we frequent.  Hearts and minds and all that.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:41 | 3102078 gdiamond22
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The real question is what % of the military sides with the citizens and what % sides with the elites once SHTF?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:25 | 3102518 NotApplicable
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"Citizens" you say? Whar?

All they will see are terrorists.

You seem to be forgetting that today's military grew up being desensitized to fact that humans are what make up humanity. To them, you are but a target in their rifle sights/drone feed.



Ender's Game, bitchez!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:42 | 3102082 MrBoompi
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So you call the people who want to ban AR15s, Bushmasters and the like, huge capacity ammo clips "gun grabbers"?  Sure, after they are off the streets that only leaves us with 250 million guns.  Gun control indeed.  Why do the gun nuts quickly conflate the arguement?  A ban on military-style assault weapons is somehow the same thing as taking your guns away.  I've heard 5-year olds make better arguements.

Gun grabbers or gun nuts, I don't much care for either of them.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:58 | 3102146 Chaos_Theory
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Yes, "gun grabbers" is too Disney for me too.  I prefer the actual term "Facist" as more approximate to the intent.  And vice "gun nuts", the actual term is "Cassandra."  You know, the person who sees the future but cannot convince those she loves of that future. 

You really think this ends with semi-automatic carbines?  There is most assuredly a master vision to disarm those rascally Americans to pave the road to the NWO for the self-styled elites who believe Plato's Republic describes their place in the new society.  That is, the elites and their usefull idiots see themselves as the philosopher-kings and guardians (all the NWO is is a retread of Plato's Republic).  The "assault weapons" are just the low-hanging fruit to set the stage.  The extensive database is the real goal.  For this, the New York Journal that published the database for legal gunowners showed the real end-game.  Once you know where the weapons are, of any type and caliber, you can go after them as vulnerable individuals.  You think those 1.6 million .40 caliber hollow points that DHS and other agencies purchased are for training??????


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:57 | 3102151 BlueCheeseBandit
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The constitution is crystal clear on the purpose of the 2d amendment, to maintain a "militia," I.e., an armed citizenry. It doesn't take much further research into what the founders said about the 2d amendment to know it was quite literally to ensure the ppl were as well armed as the state to ensure a final check thereon.

The public must be allowed to own anything the military can field, including tanks and nukes. Otherwise the 2d amendment's purpose is vitiated.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:01 | 3102170 gnomon
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This is a stealth Ex Post Facto law, criminalizing my legal possession unless I take active steps that include FINGERPRINTING, (like a common criminal).   It takes away my property rights by not allowing transfer of my firearm, (even after my death).  Property rights are the basis of all of our other rights.  Feinstein has stated in the past that she would like to ban ALL guns.  This is just the first step.

You are a fool who does not deserve what Liberty you have left, (assuming that you are from the United States and not butting in where you do not belong.  This is OUR business, not the world's).

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:11 | 3102215 SubjectivObject
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You're obviously a gun grabber.  You got some self hate issues going on there.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:44 | 3102348 Pareto
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Oh the irony of the left.  Check out this video of a gun store's perspective on the proposed ban on AR 15's and so on.  In particular, pay attention around the 2:26 mark.  Its awesome!!!


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:27 | 3102526 NotApplicable
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Hmm.... troll or zealot?

Damn you Poe's Law!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:43 | 3102084 Salon
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There is an alternative to the cold dead hands camp

8 inch pvc pipe with end caps. Epoxy glue. metalized plastic bags with commercial sealer. Put everything in metalized plastic bag with h20 absorption pack. For metal parts covered in cosmoline skip h20 absorbers.

Use lots of cosmoline for metal parts. Not too heavy on the plastic or wood parts

Seal end caps with epoxy. Allow to dry a couple of days. Paint epoxy on the ends and lay down strips of duct tape.

Then protect the whole thing with another coat of epoxy over the entire tube. Download an owners manual for ur type of gun and place it inside too.

Keep some papers around to identify burial location. Make sure the papers are passed on at your death to trusted others who will do the same.

Bury brass, primers, ball, and powder separately in metalized plastic inside number 10 cans. Reloading equipment too. A simple, cheap handheld single reloading tool with a die for your caliber can produce an amazing amount of ammo if run 24 hours per day.

If powder and primers are stored with H2o absorbers and oxygen absorbers they will be just as reliable 50 years from now.

A number 10 can sealer is 800 bucks

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:17 | 3102247 L_Conquistador
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Another thing to do is bury some junk metal, e.g. old car parts etc.   If anyone wants to try metal detection, keep them busy.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:28 | 3102291 Salon
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BB's thrown around also

Any small pieces of metal junk.

Metal waste from a machine shop

Leave out a car on blocks and an old nasty refrigerator. They will think all the metal junk three inches below ground is just signs of trailer trash living.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:43 | 3102087 linrom
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Freedom from the likes of YOU!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:47 | 3102102 Spastica Rex
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I'm going to go out and buy an MQ-9 Reaper Drone before it's illegal. The government can pry the control joystick out of my corpse's charred fingers.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:46 | 3102103 gnomon
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Conax,  I have already told my congressmen not to fall for this ploy and to not cave in any respect in regards to the imposition of new firearm or magazine restrictions.  I made clear that they would not get my vote next election, if they gave ANY ground.  

We do not want to be nibbled to death either.  Too much has occurred already over the last 12 years.  We have already been pushed too far.  Now is the time to push back HARD.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:59 | 3102159 Chaos_Theory
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Consider yourself included in the database now. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:55 | 3102409's picture

Honor roll.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:34 | 3102552 NotApplicable
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"Your congressmen?"

Pal, you're already fuckin' dead, you just don't know it yet.

Instead of "pushing back" (which is what they want, as it supports the beast called Divide and Conquer), you need to learn to walk away, and let it die on it's own.

"Your" government was murdered on 12/23/1910, and was replaced in a silent coup. Anything you do to further support the criminals in its place is nothing but treason to the Constitution you allege to support.

Voting for evil, is pure evil personified by your own actions. Yet you complain about their behavior?????

Give me a fucking break.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:47 | 3102108 Quinvarius
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I will die a citizen in the first state that leaves this corrupt country and adopts the US Constitution as the law of the land.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:48 | 3102110 cougar_w
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OMG! Is this guy even serious?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:52 | 3102119 Super Broccoli
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we sure do live in awkward times. I'm not american, i live in a european country where noone's allowed to have gun (except for hunting and target practice) but i'm a lawyer an even if it does cause some arm i believe the constitution should stay intact as it is what USA where build on. A government that changes it changes the rules that runs him. I also firmly do believe that if a gun control has to be put in place, those incertain times are certainly not the ones where this debate should be held.

be brave america and remember that the truth or what is right is not always what you're told it is, stuggle for your freedom which is much more than the 2nd amendment

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:51 | 3102127 tlnzz
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Those who believe in the Constitution will prevail in the end. It will be a bloody road we will have to go down, but Winston Churchill got it right.

 Winston Churchill

You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they have tried everything else,"

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:43 | 3102585 Freddie
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Most people do not realize that Churchill's mum was an American. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:06 | 3103190 are we there yet
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Winston Churchil had great wit. Once Lady Astor in anger told Churchil that if' he were her husband she would poison him' and Churchill responded 'If I were your husband I would drink it"

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:53 | 3102134 BlueCheeseBandit
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TPTB are beginning to overreach. In the 90s they might have gotten away with this, with so many getting so much from the status quo. But as the bankrupt status quo's ability to buy ppl off dwindles, their continuing encroachment on our liberties threatens to set off the spark.

I'm ready to lay down my life for liberty. Are you?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:23 | 3103259 Freddie
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They are getting desparate because the empire is ending.  100 people in the Senate make the laws that enslave 300+ million people.   The public may get a clue soon.  

15 million guns sales per year over the past 4 years (60 million new guns) makes me think people are starting to pay attention.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:55 | 3102139 SmoothCoolSmoke
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I would love to have some of the Founding Fathers (Washington, Jefferson, and say, Franklin) appear and tell us EXACTLY what they meant by the 2nd amendment.

I'd be willingto bet whatever they said:

 - We meant unlimted gun ownership for all citizens, or, 

 - We meant only guns for organized, government sponsored militias

The current side they blew out of the water regarding guns would tell the Founding Fathers to shove it.

Wanna bet?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:06 | 3102191 Everybodys All ...
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... it's pretty clear that it wasn't intended to restrict the ability to over throw a tyranical government.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:23 | 3102268 SmoothCoolSmoke
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But it is not clear as to who will do the overthrowing:  an organized militia....or individuals.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:05 | 3102438 Right Wing Nut Job
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The concept of our republic is that the individual citizen is free to choose any course of action that doesn't violate another's life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness.  Self-defense isn't open for debate as national policy; restricting gun ownership (and frankly 1000 other activities already restricted) requires the threat of force, at gunpoint, and contradicts the concept of being innocent until proven guilty.  

You can't expect to be taken seriously if you condone murder and imprisonment in order to punish an act that you fear another man MAY commit.  It's akin to executing people are bigger and stronger then you or who are intelligent enough to build bombs if they were so inclined.  

Freedom has always had a direct correlation with an armed society because guns create a level playing field on which all (law-abiding) citizens have the ability to protect their families, property, and country without depending on others.  Self-defense is a natural right and would remain so regardless of what a group of politicians on your television claim.  

All you have to understand in order to clearly identify the divide among people on this issue is whether or not they feel personal responsibility for their own well-being; those who do not would feel safer if other people, which they identify as threats, were unarmed and ultimately if those other people didn't exist at all which is obviously the most effective way on ensuring their goal of personal safety.

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