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Guest Post: Feinstein's Gun Control Bill Will Trigger The Next American Revolution

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party - Mao Tse Tung

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military - William Burroughs

Revolution?  Yes, it all sounds rather “extreme”, but the cold hard reality of our era is not going to comfort us with diplomacies and niceties, so honestly, why should I have to sugar coat anything?  We live in extreme times and there is no longer room for prancing around the ultimate consequences of that which is taking place in America today.  This country is increasingly sliding towards the edge of internal conflict.  The Liberty Movement and true Constitutionalists see it, subsections of Republicans and Democrats see it, and most of all, the federal government sees it.  In fact, they may even be counting on it. 

Over the past two years alone, multiple draconian policies have been enacted through executive order by the Obama Administration which build upon the civil liberty crushing actions of George W. Bush and press far beyond.  The Patriot Acts, the FISA domestic spy bill, the bailouts of corrupt international banks, attempts at CISPA and SOPA, actions like the NDAA authorizing the treatment of U.S. citizens as “enemy combatants” without rights to due process; all paint a picture so clear only a one-celled amoeba (or your average suburban yuppie) would not see it.  You and I, and everyone else for that matter, have been designated potential targets of the state.  Our rights have been made forfeit.

There is no ambiguous or muddled separation between the citizenry and the government anymore.  The separation is absolute.  It is undeniable.  It is vast.  It is only a matter of time and momentum, and eventually there will be unbridled oppression, dissent, and conflict.  All that is required is a trigger, and I believe that trigger has arrived…       

Though made to appear “complex”, the gun control debate is actually an incredibly simple issue.  It all boils down to a couple of questions which gun grabbers rarely ask:  How does the 2nd Amendment affect the future?  That is to say, what was the original intent, and should we still value that intent as it applies to tomorrow?  And, what will really happen if it is forcibly removed?  Gun opponents act as though they are unaware of these questions, or maybe they don’t care.  However, it is vital to their safety and the safety of our culture in general that they do finally consider the bigger picture. 

We’ve all heard the prefabricated gun control talking points before.  Some of them so old they predate us.  They are numerous and most of them incredibly thin.  The gist of the anti-gun position, though, could be boiled down to these three points...

Common Anti-Gun Arguments:

1) The 2nd Amendment is “outdated” and no longer relevant in today’s modern society.

2) We do not want to stop you from “defending yourself”, or interfere with the American tradition of hunting, but people do not need “military assault weapons” for either.

3) Your claimed freedom to own guns should not supersede my freedom to live without fear of guns.  We exist in a society, and our society requires us to give up certain freedoms so that it can function.

Again, in response to these arguments, I have to ask, what does the 2nd Amendment mean for the future?  What was its original intent?  Gun control advocates would like to ignore the fact that the Constitution specifically protects a broad application of gun ownership, but when they cannot deny the legality of it, they instead turn to more abstract and existential methods of attack.  They try to twist the original intent of the 2nd Amendment to further their goals.  To respond briefly to each of the above fallacies:   

1) The right to self defense from ANY threat, whether it be an individual, or a criminal government, does not “outdate”.  It is a universal and eternal freedom.  It is a foundational pillar of natural law.  Even if the 2nd Amendment did not exist, I would still have the inborn right to arm and protect myself and those I love, and the best way to do that is to own firearms.  The men who drafted the Constitution were far more intelligent than any pithy gun grabber today, yet, these socialist errand boys seem to believe that they have “surpassed” the wisdom of the Founders.  The amount of ego required to fuel such an attitude boggles the mind…

Gun violence and violence in general will not end simply by banning firearms.  The very idea that any society can remove all weapons from their sight is naïve to begin with.  Criminals always find a way.  Murder, rape, and mayhem will continue until you confront the root problem, which is the human mind, and the human heart.  Only when these two things are balanced in all people will violence end.  Disarming good men and women has never made a society “safer”.  When the power of defense is removed from the people, someone, somewhere, will seek to abuse their weakness.  The most armed entity of the time invariably becomes the subjugator, and usually this is the government.  Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, Mao’s China, Pol Pot’s Cambodia, etc, all contained disarmed populations.  The guns were gone, and still millions upon millions died.  Modern day Mexico is a perfect example of a disarmed population that is now living in terror because of criminal organizations (which, of course, still have guns).  Disarmament does NOT end gun violence, it only changes the dynamic of who uses that violence, and it makes innocent victims easier to attack.

2) Because the legal argument over the “interpretation” of the 2nd Amendment is essentially over, and the Supreme Court has ruled that gun rights do indeed apply to individuals, and not just collective bodies like the National Guard, gun grabbers are now reverting to the argument that we ARE allowed to defend ourselves with firearms, but the kinds of firearms we are able to use can still be limited.  The goal of this argument is to fool gun owners who only possess conventional firearms (hunting rifles) into believing that they will not be personally affected if they support a ban on military style weapons.  These wishy-washy hunting enthusiasts are often referred to as “Elmer Fudds” because of their gullibility.

All gun confiscation programs start by chipping away at the outer barriers of gun ownership.  Like termites slowly chewing away at the wooden skeleton of a home, anti-gun proponents start small and end by destroying the entire edifice.  Anyone who believes Feinstein’s legislation will begin and end with AR-15’s and AK-47’s is living in fantasy land.  That said, the 2nd Amendment was not established for hunting purposes.  Nowhere in the writings of the Founding Fathers do they mention “hunting” as their primary concern.  Instead, gun rights are protected in order to ensure that the citizenry remains dominant over any centralized government that turns to corruption.  We are supposed to police our own political leaders, and without military style arms, this becomes increasingly difficult. 

Gun grabbers will argue that our government is not the enemy because it is derived through democratic elections.  They will say that we can change it anytime we like in the voting box.  I would point out that regardless of which party is placed in power through elections, nothing in terms of our direction as a country has been changed, and, that both parties support almost identical policies.  For instance, Obama has come out in favor of nearly identical policy initiatives to Bush, and I can almost guarantee that many Republicans will sign onto the gun control efforts of Democrats despite their supposed pro-gun rhetoric.  When the two party system becomes a one party system, voting becomes irrelevant. 

Finally, they will admonish the idea of an armed citizenry keeping the government in check as a “fairy tale”.  They will claim that in the face of modern military might, constitutionalists would be crushed.  For what can an AK-47 do to an F-15?  Apparently, they have never heard of Afghanistan, which has used AK-47’s and 30 year old armaments to repel two technologically advanced armies; the Soviet Union and the U.S.  Of course, the Afghanis did not allow themselves to be disarmed…   

3) Here is where we get into the nonsense of intellectual idiocy.  The only real skill which academics seem to have is jumbling piles of logical fallacies together to make a single argument that sounds “rational”, but, in fact, isn’t.  The third debate point is an extremely collectivist one, and collectivist arguments generally exploit the idea that individuals must sacrifice their personal freedoms in order for the group to function. 

The truth is, the group does not matter.  The perceived collective concerns and fears of a mass of people are not relevant.  All that matters are the concerns of the singular man or woman, and whether or not those concerns are legitimate.  If a person “fears” guns and gun violence, then that is their private problem, not the problem of our entire society.  We as gun owners should not have to relinquish our rights because others are afraid of what MIGHT happen to them.  We should demand that they control THEIR fear, instead of being allowed to control OUR guns.  Just because a portion of our country shares this individual fear does not make that fear any more credible, or any more our problem.      

Do They Know What They Are In For...?

Feinstein’s campaign for gun control is not hers alone; it has been the overall establishment’s work in progress for decades.  I covered the broad based arguments of gun control advocates above because I wanted to illustrate the tangibility of gun ownership.  I want to show you where we stand as constitutionalists, and I can say confidently that our moral and intellectual footing is strong.  To be clear, when defenders of a particular idea are right in their position, they are much more likely to fight and die for that position, and they are much more likely to win.  

In the beginning I asked what the 2nd Amendment means for the future of this country.  Not only if it continues, but if it disappears.  If I was a gun control proponent, I would weigh the aftereffects of my actions carefully, because the penalties will likely be dire…

I have heard it argued that Americans are passive.  We didn’t rise up against the last Assault Weapons Ban. We didn’t rise up against the Patriot Act.  We didn’t rise up against TSA molestation.  We didn’t rise up against warrantless wiretapping, the assassination of U.S. citizens, or even the NDAA.  The people who make this point, though, are not looking at the larger issue.  It is one thing for our government to pass legislation; the wider application of that legislation on our streets and at our doorsteps is another matter. 

Feinstein’s bill is unprecedented in the history of this country, and requires widespread enforcement in every town and hamlet in order to be effective.  The way in which it is designed makes a violent response from the public inevitable.  It reaches far beyond the Assault Weapons Ban of the 1990’s, calling for the creation of a massive database of almost all gun owners in the United States.  This database will require citizens to submit their EXISTING firearms to cataloging, and the owners to be filed and fingerprinted like criminals. 

The bill will ban the outright the sale, manufacture, and transfer of at least 120 models of firearms (which have not yet been named).  It will ban the manufacture and sale of most if not all semi-automatic rifles and the bill specifically targets handguns as well.  Large capacity mags and mag fed weapons will essentially disappear from gun stores.  Though, those guns designated as “hunting rifles” will be exempt (for now).

Feinstein has also openly agreed with NY Governor Andrew Cuomo that government buy back programs (forced selling of firearms at a reduced price) and even physical confiscations are on the table:

To put this bluntly, there are approximately 50 million gun owners (according to official estimates) in the United States.  If only 2% of those gun owners refuse to submit to the Feinstein Database, and the feds attempt confiscation, they will have a massive revolution on their hands.

Many Americans, including myself, will not be strolling into the local Fusion Center to register our weapons.  Why?  Because gun registration reeks of fascism!  Some might call this “cliche”, but let’s just examine the guidelines of the Nazi Gun Registration Program of 1938:

- Classified guns for "sporting purposes"

- All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.

- Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law (meaning officials could have guns, citizens could not).

- Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.

- The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.

- Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition.

You see, we’ve witnessed the Feinstein gun bill before, many times through history.  We know how it ends, so, there is very little incentive for us to go along quietly.

The database itself is truly the crux of it all.  It basically begs to be defied.  When a government has become openly hostile to common people, destructive of their economy, and oppressive of their individual rights, it only follows that gun registration will lead to outright confiscation later down the road or imprisonment for the owner.  Many Americans are simply not going to fall into the same trap that past societies have fallen into.  The eventual refusal of millions of citizens to voluntarily register will lead to a definite federal response. 

The Department Of Homeland Security has obviously taken this into account, at least partly, by stockpiling over 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the span of a year, most of which are used in weapons distributed by the government for domestic enforcement.  Their projected scenario, I believe, involves limited resistance from people like myself; “gun nuts” and “liberty freaks” who are on the “fringe” of the populous.  At least, that’s what the headlines will say.  In the end, who will care if a few “conspiracy theorists” take a bullet in the quest to end gun violence, right?  But then again…

What I see in America is a much harder stance against gun confiscation than at any time in recent memory, and far less compromising than in the 1990’s.  Gun grabbers are, in my view, walking into a hornets nest.  Most average firearms enthusiast may be less aware of the deeper problems at hand, but they know when they are about to be raped, and will react in kind.  We in the Liberty Movement are often accused of “radicalizing” people against government authority, but I have to say, if that is the case, then the Feds are doing a much better job than we ever could.

Simultaneously, the UN (which most gun owners despise) is helping matters along by using the recent Sandy Hook shooting as a springboard for a reintroduction of their failed international Small Arms Treaty:

"European and other U.N. delegates who support the arms trade treaty told Reuters on condition of anonymity they hoped Newtown would boost support for the convention in the United States, where gun control is an explosive political issue."

"Newtown has opened the debate within the United States on weapons controls in ways that it has not been opened in the past," Abramson said, adding that "the conversation within the U.S. will give the (Obama) administration more leeway."

The UN has always claimed that their small arms treaty would NOT restrict private gun ownership in the U.S., and that it only deals with the international trade of illicit arms.  Yet, they try to use gun control actions in the face of Sandy Hook as a rationale for reopening negotiations?  They can't have it both ways.  Either they are trying to tie the treaty to domestic gun ownership in the U.S, or they aren't.  Will our government sign on to an international agreement to restrict private gun ownership on top of Feinstein's gun grab bill?  

To put this in the most basic terms: registration and restriction equals revolution.  Count on it.  It is not a matter of what we "want", it is a matter of what is necessary.  Without a citizenry armed with weapons of military application, we lose our last deterrent to tyranny, and thus, we lose everything.  When backed into a corner, a victim has two options: he can lie down and die, or, he can fight regardless of the odds.  Sadly, this is where we are in America; fear, servitude, subservience, or civil war.

Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws - Edward Abbey


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Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:29 | 3102536 Uncle Remus
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Likely both.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:01 | 3102656 holdingontomypants
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an organized militia would be made up of individual citizens. The citizens would bring their firearms and ammo. As a volunteer unit the militia would not have their own funds to purchase firearms for the volunteers so it would be reasonable to expect that individuals would have to have firearms to be able to fight.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:07 | 3102918 Citxmech
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"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves,

and include all men capable of bearing arms."

-- Senator Richard Henry Lee, 1788, on "militia" in the 2nd Amendment 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:54 | 3102853 Abaco
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It is very clear. It included organoized and unorganized militia and the militia was every able-bodierd male. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:19 | 3102417's picture



We meant only guns for organized, government sponsored militias


So it is your opinion that the founders supported King George III and his army?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:55 | 3102141 Waterfallsparkles
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When Japan was going to attack the US they said no.  Because there would be a gun behind every blade of grass.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:16 | 3102240 optimator
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Swtitzerland hasn't been invaded either, and I don't remember hearing of any mass gun crimes.  The vast majority of men between the ages of 20 and 30 are conscripted into the militia and undergo  weapons training. The personal weapons of the militia are kept at home as part of the military obligations; Switzerland thus has one of the highest  gun ownership in the world.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:18 | 3102719 holdingontomypants
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I would say that a deeper look into Switzerland system as to how they determine whether they should give a firearm to somebody or not. I would imagine they have a pretty intensive mental health screening to weed out any suspected mentally ill people. The issue for us is not firearms per se but instead mentally ill people in possession of a firearm. How did they get it? Did they go buy it and commit the murderous act? Did they steal the firearm? Well we know in the Tucson shooting the guy was mentally ill but never had his rights to purchase a firearm ever suspended or removed. We know the guy in Newtown stole his as he was also mentally ill. He tried to buy one but refused to submit to a background check so they refused to sell him one. Did he refuse because he knew he was already in the FBI database as a mentally ill person and a prohibited possessor? Had his mother been a responsible gun owner and actually locked her guns in a safe knowing her son was mentally ill he wouldn't have been able to get her firearms to do his murderous deeds. Botton line is we need a comprehensive database of mentally ill people not a database of guowners. Feds need to be able to put in place a better system of tracking mentally ill people and ensuring they are entered into the database as a prohibited possessor as we all know even with medication their is no cure for mental illness. Once you are mentally ill you have that for life.  Medication only allows them to cope to a certain degree but doesn't make them normal. I know as I have a mentally ill family member and none of the rest of the family would ever leave our guns around for that person to get possession of.  

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:57 | 3102148 uncle reggie
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Feinstein's bill is filled with "exceptions" and is not the threat portrayed in this piece of prop. Once the left learns how weak this leg is, they'll be bitching bigtime. This piece is simple, mindless fear mongering bullshit. We're gonna lose our guns! The guns that will protect us from tyranny! Wake up dipshit. Your guns don't scare those who have already done a great fuckin job of establishing tyranny. So, go ahead and fool yourself into thinking that more guns is the answer. While your stockpiling, they're surveilling every aspect of your life and if necessary will take you out before you can cock your meaningless peashooter.     

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:11 | 3102213 optimator
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C'mon, you know how they stretch what laws they pass.  The Bill says "No semi automatic that holds more than 10 rounds.  I can take a .22 Ruger, put one in the chamber and 9 in the clip.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:59 | 3102424's picture



before you can cock your meaningless peashooter.    


So then you don't want to ban any guns because they are pointless and ineffective, correct? Or is it that you want to ban pea shooters and spit balls as well?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:58 | 3102150 hotrod
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Which states defy Federal law and smoke pot??? Hmmmmm guess I will move there and have my guns.

Might be time for the NRA(in conjuctiion with weapons manufacturers) to suggest to congress that they are aware of USA Govt arms deals with other countries and factions that are/were not quite legal or UN approved. Time to air out some dirty laundry. Yes Obama it is "Complicated".

And O

Make sure that all Feinstein bans pertain to the police and national guard also so that no citizen is in jeopardy of unfair government use of force. 

The best deterrant is that nobody knows whether I have a gone or not.   Creating a new TAX such as gun Registration notifies the world and diminishes my protection. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:58 | 3102155 Athenian
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I wonder....

I'm an Aussie. As a general comment I don't like guns.  I don't know what it means to have a gun or the right to own one.  I live under a constitution that makes no reference to the right to bear arms.  For the most part, guns are illegal.  I can honestly say that I do not know anyone who even owns a gun.  I can't even own a BB gun to shoot coke cans, let alone a real handgun or rifle.  To be sure, we have a criminal underworld, who of course have access to illegally obtained weapons. They've been shooting and killing eachother for years.  No one really seems to care about that, so long as no civilian is harmed, which is the general rule.  We've had the ocassional mass shooting but these have been very rare indeed and usually linked to disturbed or severely affected individuals.  I was down the road in another building in Melbourne when the last mass shooting occured in the early 90's and it certainly was scary.  Despite this, I don't feel the need to own a gun to protect my home and my family.  I do sleep with a baseball bat under the bed, though I've never had reason to use it.  With no form of defence, if I were shot at, I'd certainly be killed.

Growing up, when I read or heard of shootings in the US, I used to think that the people in the states were insane, that the one and only solution was to get rid of the guns by whatever means possible.  Stories of mindless gun rage and school shootings lead me to no other conclusion.  These days I'm not so sure about that.  You boys and girls in the US are different. Guns are part of your life and culture in a way that I will never understand.  I'm still not convinced that full blown automatic weapons are necessary for civilians or that that was in the contemplation of the authors of the constitution, but I think that I have come around to the view that guns don't kill people, people kill people.  Protect yourselves.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:12 | 3102216 L_Conquistador
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(sorry, duplicated my post)

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:11 | 3102217 L_Conquistador
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Aussie, I appreciate your open mind.   The best way to explain my experience of growing up with guns, and now raising children with them, is that we view a gun as just another tool - albeit a dangerous one.   My kids know not to play with knives, a chainsaw, or the underside of a lawnmower, but they do know how to use each of these tools.  We view our guns exactly the same way.  We are not obsessed with them or their presence in the home.  We do however keep them handy yet stored safely, and we cherish the fact that they are there if needed. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:07 | 3102442 Oquities
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your population is much smaller and homogenous, with reduced poverty due to abundant natural resources, thus reducing crime.  your country did not have to fight to establish itself as the US did, so you don't feel the need to be vigilant against govt.  your country cannot even properly defend itself, so your citizenry are enured to the protection of others, and feel themselves somewhat immune.


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:00 | 3102160 Seasmoke
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Feinstein ...... Enough said. ( Alot of that going on lately )

How many Jews signed the Bill of Rights ?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:03 | 3102178 Everybodys All ...
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The same number of women.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:00 | 3102161 linrom
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This may come as a surprise to some, but an image of a redneck with a gun is no more reassuring than a nigga' on a trigga'.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:02 | 3102430's picture

Stereotypes should be banned from owning firearms.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:02 | 3102163 TheObsoleteMan
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The UN Small Arms Treaty failed in the US Senate in the last week of July. In less than a week we had the "Joker Murders". The next week, we had the "Sikh Temple Massacre". Now Sandy Hook. Connecting the dots yet? They probably brought in foreign terrorist to do these hits. Nothing would surprise me at this point. Yes, they will introduce the bill, sponsored by a Jewess, to gut yet another of our rights. And they will get their way. Nobody stood up when our sound money system was taken away by the Federal Reserve. Nobody resisted the implementation of the Federal Income Tax. Too few resisted that bastard FDR when he fostered socialism on us and took our gold. No one stood up to LBJ when he demonetized silver and took us into an undeclared war. No one called out slick Willy for his many crimes, or Bush, or the Kenyan. No, we are ripe for the NWO and they know it. Just don't take away our diversions and pleasures of the flesh, you can have our liberty, our future, our children, take it all, just leave us our pornography, drugs, cellphones and cable TV. True, some will not sit back on their ass and allow yet another, perhaps the most important of our rights to be taken away by a government that views it's citizens with contempt. Ask yourself how far you are willing to go to protect your rights to bear arms. Different people will arrive at different conclusions.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:41 | 3102794 holdingontomypants
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That is a rediculous statement. All those mass murderers you described have one thing in common. They were all mentally disturbed and had access to firearms. If we had a better system in place of identifying mentally ill people and restricting their access to firearms then we have made a step in the right direction. Doctors should be required to notify the FBI the moment they diagnose somebody mentally ill so that they are entered into the national database as a prohibited possessor. If anything should be changed with lawful owners of firearms it is private party sale of a firearm should be mandated to go through an FFL dealer who would do the background check. That closes a loophole to the mentally ill from bypassing a business and background check and purchasing it from a private citizen. Look at in the Phoenix arizona section and you will see how easy it is for somebody to buy a firearm off the radar and without a background check.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:20 | 3103225's picture

What is "rediculous" supposed to mean? But what the hell, it's Spell Check's fault and not yours.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:01 | 3102167 Azannoth
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Nazi gun control laws are a myth -->

They actually made guns more available than the previous(Jew dominated) government, that does not mean that anybody could have a gun but that's Germany for you not the Nazis

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:02 | 3102172 zilverreiger
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Oliver Stone: Obama a wolf in sheep's clothing
Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:49 | 3102372 TheObsoleteMan
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Comrade Stone and his useful stooge partner haven't a clue. Their remedy for the problem is just as bad as the disease. With professors like him, it is no wonder our kids are learning all the wrong things. "Think Utopian?" Are you serious? Sounds communist to me. Who's definition of Utopia? Neither of these two clowns live in the real world, doubt they ever have. When was the last time they had to earn honest money? Both are whores, one takes his pay from the Department of Education via Rockefeller grants, while the other works for Hollywood Jews.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:05 | 3102181 Waterfallsparkles
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I think that one of the reasons that no Foreign Country ever wanted to attack America on its own soil is because of all of the Guns in the hands of its Citizens.

The worry for me about Gun confisication is that it weakens the United States against Foreign attack on our soil.

Does the so called Gun grab and the weakness of our Financial system, our huge Debt, indicate a potential Foreign take over of our Country?  Where they would not want the armed Americans causing too much of a resistance.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:06 | 3102185 reader2010
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"I see in the fight club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables, slaves with white collars, advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of the history man, no purpose or place, we have no Great war, no Great depression, our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives, we've been all raised by television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires and movie gods and rock stars, but we won't and we're slowly learning that fact. and we're very very pissed off.” 

Chuck PalahniukFight Club

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:58 | 3102644 Cathartes Aura
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if all these "strongest and smartest men" going through their "spiritual war" would put down the fucking television myths they were "raised" by and GROW UP instead of having the "very very pissed off" tantrums of a two year old that isn't getting WHAT IT WANTS NOW!!!!!, , ,

nah, never gonna happen.

amrkns, you're not special, the world owes you nothing, you've been living off the global resources dole all your lives, pointing your weaponry at OTHER PEOPLE"S FAMILY, and now the world is shifting, you'll get a taste of how others really view you.

you're not special.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:07 | 3102197 hotrod
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Registration of guns would be viewed as Constitutional should the supreme court find that in reality it is just a TAX which congress has the right levy.


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:09 | 3102205 Kastorsky
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Dianne Goldman Berman Feinstein

Who else?! 

Feinsteins, Libermans, Zukerbergs, Shapiros, Kogans

Israel citizens.

She is also author of "patriot act"

and a corrupt zionist piece of shit:


. Dianne Feinstein has resigned from the Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee.

As previously and extensively reviewed in these pages, Feinstein was chairperson and ranking member of MILCON for six years, during which time she had a conflict of interest due to her husband Richard C. Blum's ownership of two major defense contractors, who were awarded billions of dollars for military construction projects approved by Feinstein.


As a member of the Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee, Sen. Feinstein voted for appropriations worth billions to her husband's firms

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:10 | 3102208 mercenaryomics
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Who needs Red Dawn when you can have Red, White and Blue Dawn.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:12 | 3102218 Lendo
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I want to cuntpunt Fienstein. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:44 | 3102589 The Gooch
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... "CUNTPUNT"  


wiping snorkeled martini off keyboard.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:14 | 3102232 Little John
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When democracy turns to tyranny those with rifles still get to vote.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:17 | 3102245 BullyBearish
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This is what happens when you give up your RIGHT to defend yourself:


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:24 | 3102269 q99x2
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China's beginning to censor the Internet again. At least that is what CNBC wants Americans to believe. The tension is building between the NWO and China.

Feinstein only had an unknown asian lady run against her in the election and she nearly lost the election. Feinstein is someone that may be able to be impeached. Most Californians are against her signing the NWO's NDAA and gun control and her general crimminal activity.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:27 | 3102284 f16hoser
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This fucking bitch is the reason our forefathers wrote the 2nd Amendment.

Locked and Loaded!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:32 | 3102287 Cycle
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This is probably a good time to reread John Ross's "Unintended Consequences" - a classic book that  deepened my understanding of the American gun culture.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:30 | 3102297 TuPhat
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Treaties, legislation, or not,  The O can sign an executive order and do whatever he wants.  The Pres. (Bush included) have put unconstitutional orders into effect and congress doesn't do anything about it.  Guns or no guns some of us will die for our rights or lose them.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:33 | 3102313 Uncle Remus
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"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." - Mohandas Gandhi, an Autobiography, page 446.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:33 | 3102316 machinegear
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Anyone else want a M60 for their next birthday?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:35 | 3103054 are we there yet
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Santa wants a 50 cal. to protect Rudolf.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:34 | 3102317 SmittyinLA
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2 Weeks before the Newtown massacre Difi's California "early released" criminal alien felon Ka Pasasouk for the 5 or 6 or 24th time (nobody is talking), he executed 4 young immigrants (one a new mom) on their front lawn down the street from the local LAPD station.  THIS WAS   2 WEEKS BEFORE NEWTOWN. 

Ka used a gun, Ka was a CA 3-striker and should have been locked up for life-then deported, but in CA the Mexican mafia runs the show (with Difi's & Boxer's consent) , and they run an alien felon early release program that includes non-hispanics too, including alien felon armed robbers with meth problems.

Then the state and media kept ka's "deportable alien felon status" hidden for another 3 weeks after the quadruple murder to promote their Newtown massacre gun control agenda.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:34 | 3102322 Oquities
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i live in a nice college town in SE Michigan.  if i go south 20 miles i am in Detroit.  if i go north 30 miles i am in Flint, MI.  if i go west 10 miles, i am in Pontiac, MI.  it is murderville around here.  i carry concealed.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:47 | 3102330 Blazed
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"Duh Evil Nazis" didn't "gun grab", or significantly restrict firearms beyond what the Weimar Republic had done. In fact, in some instances they dropped or ammended Weimar laws. OH MY! I know, hide your eyes, take cover, hug the neighbor and all that, so shocking.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:37 | 3102336 tardball
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Revolution?  Seriously?  The fat fucks are glued to the TV watching American Idol.  No time for a Revolution...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:42 | 3102354 bankonzhongguo
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This current exercise is about locating the guns and making a list of who owns them. 

The reason Feinstein's un-pasable law is up and open for everyone to see during the long holiday is so the "glum compromise" of merely registering all guns (like cars) will be seen as "reasonable."

They are making "THE LIST" - a list of the first people to challenge privileged elites that are running the country into the stone age.

They are going to have a federal registration tax - good for several years on every gun in the land.  They are going to collect files on every gun owner.  If you own more than 1 gun you will put on a watch list.  If oyu buy ammo, you are on a list.  Maybe a mental health exam is in order?  Where does it stop?

This is all a part of a larger data mining exercise.  They just don't have all your gun data YET.

We all knew this was coming when the Patriot Act was being bounded about.  Now its here.  In your face.

In the next year, (it's Eric Holder's Magnum Opus) a reasonable, law abiding person is going to have to make a long term decision to fully comply with these edicts.

Do you comply?  Sure it's theoretical now, but so was gold confiscation.  At some time in 1932-33, you had to start making plans.  Who do you trust?  How big do you go?  Are you willing to dig in for a longer fight if necessary?  Who or what are you really fight for?  What is the line in the sand - a UN checkpoint down the block?  No food for the kids?

Guns and gun owners already have a ton of laws on them.  But the government WANTS MORE.

Why?  To make us safe?!

The first line of defense is deciding if your so-called representative is FOR or AGAINST any of this. 

Time to start picking a side folks.  Time to march into congressional offices and find out what is going down.

Are you for the Human Spirit and Liberty or are you for Corporate Power?

You still have a choice, but for how long?



Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:45 | 3102368 Clueless Bill
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This is a really dim-witted piece of wishful fantasizing – a total waste of pixels.  If the Greeks could not manage a revolution this year, it isn’t going to happen anywhere.  Americans have way too much to lose before they go down that road.  Anyhow, small arms are no match for the hi-tech stuff wielded by the police and military.  Not to mention that Bush and Obama have institutionalized  perpetual illegal government spying on all of us with nothing more than a timid bleat of complaint from the sheeple.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:52 | 3102393 samsara
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Good Name

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:10 | 3102458 WTFx10
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yeah, the Afghans prove that they are no match for "hi-tech stuff wielded by the police and military" Funny how we keep sending home dead soldiers though.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:41 | 3103324 Clueless Bill
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Afghanistan?  Seriously?  That's your model? Do you want to live the way most people there do?  Causing chaos is not the same as winning a revolution.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:46 | 3102374 earleflorida
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thankyou brandon

your post are my favorite reads

well done Sir!!!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:47 | 3102379 viedoklis_lv
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I sure hope there are left some Americans in this new generation that will be ready to stand up against Cabal one more time - the final fight for Liberty & Freedom that has been taken away step by step using illusion values - silently by trickery.


This will be fight you have born for. When you die - and you will die - you will be proud to your self and will incarnate in a new body - in a free world not in Cabal prison.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:50 | 3102390 samsara
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We Are All Preppers Now

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:54 | 3102406 Canucklehead
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The above is a Fraser Institute Press Release from 2007.  At that time, Canada had spent north of $2 BILLION on the gun registry.  They hired a lot of retired police officers and their family members to staff this behemoth.  Think of all the double dipping...

The end result of the Canadian exercise in gun registration is many billions were spent for a computer database that was not accurate and could not be used in the court of law.

The main "administrative" problem with the registry information is that any error was considered a criminal offence.  As a result you needed to be a legally recognized firearms expert in order to properly describe the firearm as there were many features specific to the various models of a particular firearm that needed to be properly described.  For purposes of ease of administration, it was accepted that the fields of information contained in the record of information related to the specific firearm could be filled as "not known".  Many firearms enthusiasts made the self determination that they were not experts in legal art of firearms description.  As a result, many of the fields of information were filled in as 'not known'.  These included fields such as calibre (303 British vs .312, 9mm vs. .356, 38 super vs .356, 38 special vs .358, etc).  The make field was left as unknown as a Lee Enfield could be considered a Longbranch or a BSA or one of many others.  Savage made many guns for Sears, Woolco, CIL, etc.).  The end result is that it was proper to complete the paperwork for a firearm and not show any specific information as all fields were filled with the narrative (not known).  This action allowed you to protect yourself in a criminal court related to any administrative charges that you did not describe your firearm in the proper manner.

Many individuals sent in extra registration forms filled out in this manner so they had pre-packaged paperwork in the event that some black market firearm needed to have legal provenance; in the event that an owner wanted to sell the gun in an administratively compliant manner.

Another major problem related to the accuracy of the residental address of the registered owners of guns.  Even today, there are many tens of thousands of Canadian "restricted" firearms owners who have not followed up with the administrative task of updating their record to show their new addresses.  The RCMP is very aware of this as they cross-reference the addresses of the individual through the many databases they have.  The RCMP has turned a blind eye to this administrative omission.  The legal question is whether the individual broke the law by not providing updated personal information to that particular database when they had provided the updated information to other government departments.  No one has been charged in this matter.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:55 | 3102408 AnAnonymous
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This 'american' author feels he's crossed borders: he is no longer able to distinguish between his fantasy and reality.

When reading him,it appears as if he lived through the fantasy he vomits.

Now about guns.

'American' economics is all about consumption and 'americans' apply 'american' solutions.

So here what to expect:

_if there is a ban, it will be to increase consumption. Supply of weapons will be increased (consumption up) and as a reaction, trying to ban the guns will increase consumption.

Increasing consumption by both ends.

-look for other consumption increases:

security guards, check points, monitoring devices etc all that will result in more consumption.

protection gear for kids. At the moment, there is probably not kid size body armour etc as 'americans' kill kids primarly in third world countries.
Look for that increase in offer

It is simple, 'americans' wont choose any solution that reduces their consumption. Only those that increase their consumption.

Ban of guns is fantasy. The rest is not. Just waiting to happen.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:55 | 3102410 hampsterwheel
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1st of all maybe not this law might pass - but eventually it will. This is how the mission creep goes, throw out an outlandish law everyone cries out sneak a watered down but still effective law in - rinse wash repeat and eventually it will get there.

Secondly - where are all these "Patriots" going to arise from? The TSA lines, walmart? The American people have watched the 1st, 4th, 6th and 10th amendments go by the waste side and not a peep - not even from Cindy Sheehan - not one patriot set himself on fire like the poor bastard in Tunisia - nope my friends - as a life long gun owner, a veteran and a lifetime NRA member I agree that we should confiscate all the guns - for the premise is no longer valid - the 2nd amendment was written for people yearning and wanting to hold onto freedom - today's Americans are not those people - therefore why the need for arms to assert independence when you are happy being a slave - might as well disarm the slaves so that they don't at least hurt each other - God knows they won't use the weapons to break out and get free - which was their origional intent...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:58 | 3102419 Jeepers Creepers
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Registration always comes before confiscation.

There needs to be pushback on this ridiculous notion that the 2nd Amendment was put in the Constitution for hunting.  It was specifically put in so we could overthrow a tyranical government, which means assault rifles were exactly what the Founders wanted citizens to have.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:02 | 3102431 robertocarlos
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Like I wrote yesterday, just show up in DC with one very large AR-15. Or a million small ones.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:20 | 3102436 shovelhead
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They can mandate everyone wear pink party hats too.

So, what happens if no one complies?

Nothing. Thats what happens.

They just show how little power they actually hold if the people simply ignore them.

Who has more to lose? The lion tamer in a cage or the lions?

The Volstead Act was to eliminate alcohol consumption and it's attendent crime. Alcohol consuption increased despite everything they did and created a super criminal class as well.

Epic fail. Why? Everyone told them to fuck off and drank more.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:05 | 3102439 Likstane
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Would you shoot a government official if he forced open your door with a warrant to search for guns?  I don't know if I would.  I don't want to find out. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:10 | 3102463 bshirley1968
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Neither do I, but if they force their way into my home unauthorized, they are no different from a common criminal who I would have no problem shooting.  One's title or position does not trump right and wrong.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:35 | 3102770 Citxmech
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I have a sneaky suspicion that if this shit goes all the way, there are going to be a whole lot of "thefts" and "boating accidents."

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:08 | 3102450 qualityhardware
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That dried up old cunt is doing an outstanding job of mobilizing and unifying gun owners. I think even the Fudds are getting it and are less likely for a "Do it to Julia!" moment like they have done in the past. If WA and CO can nullify weed laws, then I think states can also vote to nullify any new bans if the maniacs are some how able to pass one.

Here are some good stats to throw back in the faces of the banners:

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:08 | 3102451 bshirley1968
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We must always keep in mind that it is the gun right's groups, free thinkers, independent minded Americans that are the last group to stand in the way of the Brave New World or 1984, whichever flavor you prefer.

Once we are out of the way, there will be no stopping a totalitarian regime from ruling the world.  Therefore, we are under constant attack.  Right now that attack takes the form of rhetoric and legislation that would deteriorate our way of life.  It will finally reach a point of violence when they think they have the numbers and the support to crush us once and for all.  Evil is aggressive.  Always has been and always will be.  A CLEAR characteristic of evil is that it will NEVER leave you alone.  It will always seek to infect and corrupt.  It hates the truth and pushes the lies.  The lies we hear from the media and the left every day.  Even some of the right (politicians) are pushing lies on us today.

Freedom is the ability to know the truth, live the truth, and speak the truth without fear of oppression for the truth.  The truth is:  the ability to possess the weapons to defend oneself is a basis of freedom, while having to depend on protection from another is a basis of slavery.  To say different is to promote a lie.  The lie is: guns kill people, the truth is people kill people.  The lie is: a society without guns is safer than a society with guns.  Tell that to N Korea, China, Russia, Hitler's Germany, Cambodia, Vietnam, Chicago and all the other examples history has given us.

DC is manufacturing lie after lie about healthcare, gun control, foreign policy, taxes, debt, etc. and the media is there to promote and spin the lies to an acceptable form for the public.  We have a responsibility to know the truth, live the truth and promote the truth to those around us.  When we can no longer do this FREELY, then we are slaves.  I for one will not live a lie or promote their lies.  Therefore, I am their enemy already.  I will aggressively DEFEND my right to the truth and freedom to live the truth.  I hope there are those who will stand with me but regardless I will stand.

You too have a choice.  Live free and follow the truth (which always has and always will cost you a high price) or give into the lies and willingly become a slave to the promoter of lies.  There are your two sides.  I hope that if there is a revolution, and by the grace of God we win it like Washington and the boys did in the beginning, we go back to the Constitution and reaffirm those principles and live by them.  I don't think this is possible because it requires a populace with character, integrity, and moral principles that the majority in this country no longer has.  I fear, however, that we will lose as Lee and Jackson did and what follows will be worse than now.  And if that is the case, I don't want to live to see it anyway.  So I guess I am a winner either way.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:02 | 3102660 BuckShotJones
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"Unhappy it is, though, to reflect that a brother's sword has been sheathed in a brother's breast and that the once-happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with blood, or inhabited by a race of slaves. Sad alternative! But can a virtuous man hesitate in his choice?"
(G. Washington, letter written May 31, 1775)

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:10 | 3102457 Jake88
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It might be a good thing if they round up all the assault weapon owners and put them in a camp.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:24 | 3103001 are we there yet
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Unless they are a politician, union organizer, beurocrat, lawyer, or lobbiest.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:19 | 3103230 Chaos_Theory
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By that point, all of America is a big prison anyway.  Do your worst, but in the end, you'll be getting fistfucked too.  At least I'll be in a camp with like-minded individuals, or dead.  


But, in the spirit of civic co-operation, I propose we immediately free all existing prisoners (murderers, rapists, child molesters, violent assault types) and replace those cells with the true danger....Americans who can read the Constitution, the Federalist Papers, and most importantly, the sayings of the Framers of the Constitution on what they meant by the citizenry possessing arms.  It ought to make for some excellant reality TV for us new prisoners to watch the Zombie Apocalypse outside the wires in real-time. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:15 | 3102481 lindaamick
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If it makes Americans feel better to own guns - great. 

Unfortunately no individual gun owner has any power over government sponsored terrorism.

Without creating a movement that eventually organizes great numbers of citizens, gun ownership is really a joke if anyone thinks it will protect them against  government tyranny.

I guess having a gun will allow a self-exit in the manner of suicide if the going gets too rough.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:50 | 3102610 aerojet
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Did you even read the article?  Your position on this matter was thoroughly debunked.  Gun ownership is not a joke, it is a very real check against tyranny.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:06 | 3102677 L_Conquistador
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You might be right.  But millions of Americans with guns stand a better chance against tyranny than if they would without guns.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:20 | 3102489 Miramanee
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You are all nuts.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 20:42 | 3103759 The Gooch
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That makes you a nut voyeur.


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:22 | 3102493 Miramanee
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You people are ultra-paranoid and becoming increasing wacko by the day. Many of you are jobless, or have no focus in your life (other than portending the end of the worldl and planning for the demise...which, by the way, will never ariive.). Thew only sense of fulfillment you gain is by agreeing with one-another on these ridiculous rants. YES, some of the fiscal analyses here on ZH are quite thought-provoking and damned intelligent. But the commentary is pure crap. Why not step back and actually examine YOURSELVES for a change. Why are you here? Why do you hate Jewish people? Why would you rather see suffering and destruction (austerity? revolution?) than a perpetuation of the staus quo? Many of you are extremists who have lost your marbles. You all need to get laid!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:23 | 3102512 blunderdog
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You're raising a decent point, but the personal projection about who the posters are kinda weakens your credibility.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:42 | 3102583 shovelhead
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Guess that status quo thing is working out nice for you, eh?

Guess it's the same as women who fall in love with their rapist.

You wouldn't think it was possible, but there you go.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:53 | 3102619 Salon
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Lol. No one here is against the Jooz per se. Only zionists and their neocon supporters.

I get laid a lot. Income top 3 percent and work every day.

I guess some people dont understand liberty and inalienable individual rights. Go back to sleep. Just ignore us wackos. We are no threat lol

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:21 | 3102505 stant
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a civil war will put the us dollar where on the index? 12 aircraft carriers without a job. gun owners have more ammo than they know

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:31 | 3102543 rejected
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A real revolution would require organization. This would be very hard to do, especially with all the email spying and infiltrating government agencies. In the beginning resistance would be spotty and at random. It will take months/years to go full scale.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:32 | 3102548 Salon
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Dont worry too much folks.

Assault weapons are a waste of time in assymetric warfare.

If the Taliban had modern bolt action deer rifles they would be much more dangerous than their jump up, spray a bunch of inaccurate bullets, and run off routine.

Train yourself in IED's. Train yourself on 300 and 400 yard shots.

15 determined men can make a city of 10,000 ungovernable.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:09 | 3102689 Cathartes Aura
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and a few rounds of the appropriate "gas" applied by drones can take them ALL out - "determined men" and their ungovernable city.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:35 | 3103273 shovelhead
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Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:32 | 3102549 RingToneDeaf
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Went to a gun show and sold all my guns.

Bought US Bonds with the cash.

Americans are fat lazy slobs that deserve no rights. We will be working for food at the Chinese Conglomerate owned farms, if we are lucky and healthy enough. The overseers will keep us in limited Bread and Circuses, like Gladiator Football.

The ones that sold us out will be dining at the head table with the other elites.

Come on, face it the experiment was a failure, freedom belonged to us as long as we could keep it and we pissed it away, like an inheritance on sex, drugs and rock and roll.


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:45 | 3102817 Freddie
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Sad but true. Idiots watching TV and Hollywood's crap.  If you watch their shit - you support The Matrix and keep them in power.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:44 | 3102587 onlooker
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The California style bill that Feinstein will introduce did work in California. Her bill will go far beyond the California bill to close off the loopholes. It can be construed to control all guns with removable magazines, rifle or pistol. As the preview of her bill contains the wording “ can accept a magazine over 10 rounds” she got em all because ANY removable magazine can be extended to hold over 10 rounds. The seemingly safe 1911 45 semi-auto can take a magazine over 10 rounds and in fact they have been manufactured. Same for rifles, that detachable magazine in your 30-06 deer gun will be subject to the Feinstein gun grab.


When (not if) the bill passes, you will have to register your gun. IF you do not do that, the penalty will be such that by the time you sell every thing you have to pay the lawyers and still go to jail anyway, your life will be destroyed and they will make sure it hits your family so that all associated with you are totally screwed over.


Those guns that succeed in being registered (there is no assurance that they have to accept you registration and can reject it and take your gun), can not be sold, passed on to others including your children and must be destroyed at your death. The value of all banned firearms goes to ZERO at the passing of the bill. If you have an “investment” in a gun collection it will not have any value. Now, to circumvent the taking of value, the Government may have a buy back program. Do not expect much recovery of actual value.


After the first round of gun registration, ammunition will have some laws passed and you will not be able to buy ammunition that is fired in the banned guns.


The second round of gun banning will be written to ban almost all firearms.


For the younger generation, this gun ban has been in process since the 1980s and the blade is finely honed and the players like Feinstein, Durbin, Schumer, and Clinton etc know the game and have no intent of loosing this golden opportunity.


As the wealth of the average American citizen has been destroyed, as jobs become an exception rather then the normal, as economic criminality becomes a way of life, as freedoms are reduced and controlled, so goes the changes of traditional American society.


For those who want to be able have a gun and pass it down to the children, the Russian WW1 and WW2 bolt actions with 5 round fixed magazines are going for about $120 +.  The round is very good and has been very cheap.


Just sayin

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:57 | 3102640 Salon
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The greatest sniper of all time was a Finn with a $120 russian bolt action. Just sayin.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:08 | 3102683 Salon
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He killed 500 plus russian soldiers. He used iron sights

He said iron sights allowed him to keep his head lower

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:59 | 3102649 Diesel Seven
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"The value of all banned firearms goes to ZERO at the passing of the bill."

You could've rephrased that one better . . . last I heard cocaine still had substantial street value. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:02 | 3102661 aerojet
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I can't speak for California, but nobody in Texas or Montana is having any of this bullshit.  They better fire up all their Manchurian candidates by the score if they expect to pass their bs laws.  Also, if they do get a ban like this through, there will be no more reason to play nice anymore--history shows what happens when people give up their arms. 

But basically, I disagree with your fatalistic view.  The 2nd Amendment is in far better shape than it was in the 1980s and there are far more gun owners and actual shooters than there were back then.  So "just sayin" you defeatist jerk.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:51 | 3102613 Titus Flavius C...
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If the government were on our side, they'd do some warrantless wiretapping of Feinstein.


I'd bet you a shiny nickel she gets lots of calls from overseas.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:52 | 3102618 Clesthenes
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You wrote, “Revolution?  Yes, it all sounds rather “extreme”,

Very true, but only because the vast majority of Americans (something like 99.99%) fail to understand that there are two kinds of revolution: one that advances the cause of tyranny; the other, liberty.  I call one a Bolshevik – the other, an American – revolution; after their most recent and spectacular examples.  Differences between the two are defined by a particular set of principles followed by each.  One acts according to “rules” of barbarism; the other, due process of law.

Naturally, one sounds rather extreme to most men; while the other sounds rather desirable; and makes you wonder why they don’t engage in the practice on a daily basis.

In other words, if you call your revolution, “Bolshevik”, and employ principles of a Bolshevik revolution, you will advance the cause of tyranny.  On the other hand, if you call your revolution, “American” and follow Bolshevik principles, you will STILL advance the cause of tyranny.

The name means nothing; principles followed, everything.

And this means, when revolution does come, it will be very bad news; if, that is, your cause is liberty.

The reason:  I spent twenty years, at least, searching 30,000 to 50,000 pages of original, unsanitized, histories; my focus was to learn those men and eras that advanced man’s civilization.  And I found, of thousands of rebellions and slave revolts that have occurred in human history, only three have advanced the cause of liberty.

Without proper knowledge – and without acting by it – you might as well dig your own grave.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:07 | 3102662 The Gooch
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Found on employees bench yesterday- "Revolutionary Communist Progressive Labor Party" newspaper.  Fledgling cancer cells from top to bottom.

True Story.

It's now or OVER.

The modern day, watered down (kool-aid version) of Bolsheviks are poking the wrong fucking hornets nest.

"belee dat"

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 20:04 | 3103658 Papasmurf
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Found on employees bench yesterday- "Revolutionary Communist Progressive Labor Party" newspaper.


One more would hardly effect the unemployment rate.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 20:40 | 3103758 The Gooch
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prevented by italics.

That sounds like an album title.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:06 | 3102678 shovelhead
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You could have saved yourself a lot of time.

3 pages. Declaration & Constitution of the US.

Can't beat that for succinct.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:18 | 3102973 TomGa
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Did you read "Towards a Soviet America"??



Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:56 | 3102636 Diesel Seven
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Maybe Bloomberg should ban subways, since people are using them to kill people . . . .

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:00 | 3102654 rational
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Like all good gun-nuts, completely avoids the incovenient truth that many countries are able to get along just fine, with full civil liberties, without being armed to the teeth. 


The radical right-wing supreme court that overturned hundreds of years of precedent on the 2nd amendment to satisify the NRA have blood on their hands.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:11 | 3102695 Salon
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Lol. I am not "many countries"

I am an individual with inalienable rights.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:24 | 3102736 aerojet
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Exactly--the article speaks to that, too.  Group rights are bogus.  There are no group rights, there are only INDIVIDUAL rights.  The state must deal with us as individuals, we must accept nothing less.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:13 | 3102703 shovelhead
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Someone help this poor guy out...

I'm going to lunch.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:15 | 3102706 aerojet
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The right to self-defense is a civil liberty.  So what you said makes no sense at all.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:11 | 3102915 shovelhead
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Au contrare mes ami...

To the contented little wool units of Obamastan, it makes perfect sense...

In a deluded, sort of hopium induced suspension of logical thinking kind of way, that is...


Because that radical right wing SCOTUS overthrew 200 yrs of precedent to rule that...

Wait for it....

"The rights of the citizens to bear arms shall NOT be infringed."

Wait a minute...This NEW ruling sounds vaguely familiar...


BTW: lunch was very nice but I couldn't resist a bite of juicy mutton.


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:40 | 3102729 Citxmech
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Why don't you go tell that to the ghosts of the citizens of Nanking after the Japanese had their way with them, or to the families of the 29 million killed under Mao during the cultural revolution.  Oh yes, how are the Chinese rights to free speech and assembly doing these days?

PS  Fuck off

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 23:01 | 3104046 mendolover
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Spoken like true castrated euro trash.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:02 | 3102664 KarlGDenninger
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You can start the revolution right now. Stop paying your credit cards. Cash out your 401k. Work as little as possible. Vote real leaders in. Throw molotovs at power sub stations. Well kidding on that last one, but you can bring about change without violence. This gun bill wont pass anyway.  Im a troll

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:32 | 3102761 Joebloinvestor
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When the government sells guns to drug cartels I go deaf when anyone talks about gun control.

The government is not in control over the guns it is supposed to have control over.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:51 | 3102838 HardAssets
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Joelbloinvestor said:  "When the government sells guns to drug cartels I go deaf when anyone talks about gun control.  The government is not in control over the guns it is supposed to have control over. "

And when those in govt use drones that kill so many innocent men, women, and children overseas to supposedly get a single 'terrorist', I think nothing of their recent fake tears.

When nothing happens to banks that launder illegal drug dealers money, and troops are used to guard poppy fields, I think nothing of their drug war.

The nation is run by criminal psychopaths and they want you disarmed so they can continue to rape and plunder.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:32 | 3102764 rsnoble
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I know some pretty hardcore gun owners. I really do think they'll die or/and kill when this comes down. I won't be walking in handing them mine either. Fuck the US gov't.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:39 | 3102783 proLiberty
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30 to 10 to 7 to "five or six" to 3 to 1 to NONE.   That is the goal.


But if he had his preference, Bloomberg said he would go farther than the 1994 ban and outlaw all automatic and semi-automatic weapons and high-capacity magazines. The mayor said magazines shouldn't be allowed to contain more than five or six rounds.


"If you haven't hit the deer with three shots, you're a pretty lousy shot. The deer deserves to get away," he said....



Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:39 | 3102784 dexter_morgan
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I dunno....maybe. Wish it would trigger secession of red states from blue states, that way I'd somewhere to go that follows constitutional principles (in theory at least).

Maybe the slim majority of American just don't deserver freedom and liberty.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:41 | 3102791 JohnFrodo
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And the new national anthem will be "the guns of Brixton" by the Clash

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:52 | 3102840 Freddie
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The Clash were band wagon jumping hippies who saw The Sex Pistols and jumped on their band wagon.  They were middle class leftists with Joe Strummer and Mick Jones being of the part kos*er variety.   Their crap was leftist NWO claptrap PC rubbish.  F them.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:44 | 3102807 HardAssets
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Oh yeah, with the coming colllapse of the dollar & economy, I can't wait to turn in all my guns. I'm sure the gang bangers who have moved into the county from L.A. will just love that.  And to think that a Sheriff is only 45 min to an hour away. They show up between the time the body hits the floor and rigormortis sets in.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:11 | 3102935 Skip
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Chicago has 100,000 Sinaloa cartel gang members

“We have to operate now as if we’re on the Mexican border.”

Jack Riley, the DEA’s special agent in charge of the Chicago field division

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:31 | 3103030 shovelhead
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Oh great,

Now we have to give 100,000 MORE guns to cartel members?

They can call it "Faster and Furious as a fuck".

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:57 | 3103632 The Gooch
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link, please.

I don't remotely doubt it, though...

It's a "HUB".

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:53 | 3102846 Freddie
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What about State Rights laws?  Isn't there a state that will arrest any Federal Officer/Offical who attempts to enforce certian federal laws?   What state is that?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:53 | 3102847 holdingontomypants
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All those mass murderers described have one thing in common. They were all mentally disturbed and had access to firearms. If we had a better system in place of identifying mentally ill people and restricting their access to firearms then we have made a step in the right direction. Doctors should be required to notify the state and FBI the moment they diagnose somebody mentally ill so that they are entered into the national database as a prohibited possessor. If anything should be changed with lawful owners of firearms it is private party sale of a firearm should be mandated to go through an FFL dealer who would do the background check. That closes a loophole to the mentally ill from bypassing a business and background check and purchasing it from a private citizen. Look at in the Phoenix arizona section and you will see how easy it is for somebody mentally ill to buy a firearm off the radar and without a background check.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 20:11 | 3103685 Papasmurf
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Your remark is erroneous because you have no idea who did the shooting.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:54 | 3102849 proLiberty
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A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase – and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.

They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon. They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen. None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed. from:


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:50 | 3103365 shovelhead
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If knives are doctored, then only doctors will have sharp knives.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:54 | 3102858 are we there yet
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Guns only belong in the hands of politicians, bankers, lawyers, and lobbiests.  /sarc off

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:57 | 3102875 Skip
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Overall this is a good article and well worth reading. If there is one thing Zero Hedge represents is that we are not afraid to look at the truth, good, bad or indifferent. Because without the truth you cannot genuinely assess your situation. So I have one disagreement with this otherwise superb article.

The German Weapons Law (Waffengesetz) of March 18, 1938 was not a RESTRICTION on the ownership of firearms by the National Socialists, rather it was a LIBERALIZATION of the previous draconian Weimar Republic's gun control law, which was passed in 1928, 5 years before the National Socialists gained power. Hitler became Chancellor on January 30, 1933. Hitler had to HIDE, according to John Toland's biography, his revolver which he often carried so that it would not be confiscated and he, therefore, arrested.

Hitler was always out among the people, in open cars, out on the street shaking hands, and when he had any police or military people meet him in  his office, even lowly privates, they KEPT their sidearms, fully loaded, I doubt the Marxist In Chief permits that.

In 1945 Eisenhower ordered all privately owned firearms in the American occupation zone of Germany confiscated, and Germans had to turn in shotguns, rifles and handguns. The Soviet occupation zone German civilians were summarily shot if they were found in possession of even a single cartridge.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:58 | 3102879 Banjo
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yet, these socialist errand boys seem


Bloomberg is a socialist? hahaha You are so brainwashed in the US.

Oh don't worry you'll roll over just like your other "Freedoms" going up in smoke and people not raising their voice against torture or drone surveillance or allowing govt to spy on email and cell phone conversations, patriot act etc.. etc..

They will have a revolution on their hands LOL, hint you are a nation divided.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 22:15 | 3103959 L_Conquistador
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Uhm, I think division is a prerequisite to revolution.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:05 | 3102910 Skip
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The Treatment of Armenians Arnold Toynbee

A decree went forth that all Armenians should be disarmed. The Armenians in the Army were drafted out of the fighting ranks, re-formed into special labor battalions, and set to work throwing up fortifications and constructing roads. The disarming of the civil population was left to the local authorities, and in every administrative center a reign of terror began. The authorities demanded the production of a definite number of arms. Those who could not produce them were tortured, often in fiendish ways; those who procured them for surrender, by purchase from their Moslem neighbors or by other means, were imprisoned for conspiracy against the Government. Few of these were young men, for most of the young had been called up to serve; they were elderly men, men of substance and the leaders of the Armenian community, and it became apparent that the inquisition for arms was being used as a cloak to deprive the community of its natural heads. Similar measures had preceded the massacres of 1895-6, and a sense of foreboding spread through the Armenian people. "One night in the winter," writes a foreign witness of these events, "the Government sent officers round the city to all Armenian houses, knocking up the families and demanding that all weapons should be given up. This action was the death-knell to many hearts."


The appalling inference was in fact correct, for the second phase of persecution passed over without a break into the third and final act, and it is evident that the whole train had been laid by the Ministry at Constantinople before the first arms were called in or the first Armenian thrown into prison. This carries the detailed organization of the scheme at least as far back as February, 1915, and, indeed, the elaborate preparations that had already been made by the 8th April, the date of the first deportation at Zeitoun, presuppose at least as long a period. It is extremely important to emphasize these chronological facts, because they refute the attempt of the apologists to disconnect the last phase from the phases that preceded it, and to represent it as an emergency measure dictated by the military events of the spring.

Read the entire document at the link--that is what Bloomberg, Rahm Israel Emanuel, Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Charles Schumer, Jerold Nadler, and perhaps a few Supreme Court Justices have in mind for YOU.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:22 | 3102992 bunnyswanson
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What happens when defending yourself becomes against the law? 

57 minutes - Innocents Betrayed (Eliminated)

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:09 | 3102924 holdingontomypants
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U.S.A. The Republic

How You Lost It!


by Joyce Rosenwald

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government."


Many of us living today were not yet born during the reign of terror of Adolph Hitler and his German Nazi party. Yet, every one of us have been told about the horrors and inhuman crimes perpetrated by the Nazis against select groups of people throughout all of Europe. We refer to Hitler and the Nazis as a group of criminals who took over a legitimate government and turned it into a killing machine. We heave a sigh of relief and thank God that kind of thing could never happen here in America.

Germany's Nazis were criminals .... mass murderers. About 12,000,000 civilians were murdered by the Nazis, among them thousands of women and children. Jews and Gypsies were targeted by the Nazis for total extermination. Some died from gassing in concentration camps. Some died from starvation in ghettos. Some were lined up in front of open graves and shot.

In 1928, five years before the rise of Hitler, Germany's freely elected government enacted a "Law on Firearms and Ammunition." This law required anyone who owned a firearm, or who wanted to own a firearm, to make themselves known to the authorities. Anyone who wanted to purchase a firearm had to get a "Firearms Acquisition Permit." If you needed ammunition, you had to get an "Ammunition Acquisition Permit." When you wanted to go hunting, you had to get an "Annual Hunting Permit." Every firearm that changed hands professionally had to have a serial number and the maker's or dealers name stamped into the metal. "Proof of need" was made a condition for issuance of all licenses, not just the carry permit. Mandatory prison sentences were imposed on anyone who professionally sold or transferred a firearm or ammunition without a license. Truncheons and stabbing weapons were subject to the same licensing requirements as firearms, in terms of their manufacture and sale.

As a result of the 1928 Law, all firearms and firearms owners were registered. To take firearms from anyone they distrusted, the Nazis simply did not renew permits. Under the law, their privately created law, the Nazis could now easily confiscate all firearms and ammunition from any, or all, selected groups. The gun law of 1928 had served the Nazis well. It made almost all law abiding firearms owners known to the authorities. The 1928  law on firearms and ammunition helped the Nazis to destroy democracy in Germany, by disarming the law abiding majority, whom they feared.

By the end of 1931, a rising tide of violence, mainly between Nazi and Communist street fighters, moved the authorities to tighten restrictions. Under new regulations, the police could order everyone's firearms and ammunition ... even items not normally used as weapons ... to be put into police custody,

"If the maintenance of public security and order require it."

'1, Fourth Regulations of the President for the Protection
of the Economy and Finance, and on the
Defense of Civil Peace, December 8, 1931

The Nazis came to power legally. They were voted into power. In elections held on March 5, 1933, the Nazis fell short of 50 percent of the vote. Hitler, afraid the public might oust him, didn't plan to hold more elections. On March 23, 1933, parliament voted to give him emergency powers under the Constitution. There were no more elections in Germany until after World War II. The Nazis were far from being popular with the German people. The Nazis knew that many Germans opposed them. The Nazis used the 1928 Law on Firearms and Ammunition to disarm their opponents and to prevent any armed resistance. The Nazis, at most, were a minority of the German population, not the majority. The Nazis operated within the Law. But in Germany, as here, a small private elite group wrote and defined the Law. WHEN YOU CREATE THE LAW, YOU CAN DEFINE THE LAW. IT CAN BE AS LEGAL TO ABOLISH LAWS AS IT IS TO INSTITUTE THEM. Hitler not only came to power legally, but instituted dictatorship legally.

On taking power in 1933, the Nazis did not immediately begin killing Jews. In April 1933, the Nazis enacted a law that kept Jews out of the civil service, universities, and most professions. In September 1935, the Nuremberg Laws were enacted: Jews lost their civil rights. In November 1938, the Nazi SS troops were unleashed against Germany's Jews. Jewish property was confiscated.

On March 18 1938, the Nazis enacted a new, tougher, gun control law. The Nazi Weapons Law (Waffengesetz) ensured that only Nazis and their friends could own or carry weapons, especially handguns. Licenses to sell, own, or carry firearms were required, except for exempted Nazi organizations and officials. Private persons were not exempt, but a Nazi Party Membership Card was proof of political reliability. The Nazi Weapons Law stated that no Jew could be involved in any business involving firearms. On November 11 1938, one day after the SS were unleashed against the Jews, new regulations under the Nazi Weapons Law barred Jews from owning any weapons.

Gun control in Nazi Germany was not difficult to enforce. Being a police state, (operating under the police power, not law) to get a "Firearm Acquisition License", one had to prove one's identity ---- the national identity card) --- and one's political loyalty (nazi party membership card). With strong police state controls over people, (loss of civil rights) gun control was easily enforced. A disarmed population is helpless. Bureaucrats and obedient civil servants "just doing their job", helped the Nazis carry out their plans. Without the help of those good people who were just doing what they were told, the Nazis could never have murdered as many people as they did.

The Nazi Weapons Law of March 18, 1938 is the blueprint for "Gun Control" in America today. America could not make Nazi style gun control work without the documents that Nazi style gun control needs. THE NAZI STYLE GUN CONTROL LAWS WERE ENACTED BY THE FEDERAL CONGRESS AS THE U.S. GUN CONTROL ACT OF 1968. Under this Act: every law abiding firearm owner had to prove that he/she was law abiding; firearms dealers had to record purchases and sales of firearms on behalf of the federal government. Federal and/or state bureaucrats (un-elected civil servants) got the new and broad power to decide who, among law abiding persons, may own and/or carry firearms and under what conditions what type of firearms may lawfully be owned. The vague concept of "sporting purpose" as a way of classifying firearms was introduced. Transactions in ammunition had to be recorded (this is no longer so). Ammunitions that were "legal" were subject to control by bureaucrats.

The Nazi gun control law required nation wide identification papers. Here in America the "social security number" created by Executive Order under President Franklin Roosevelt, is used as a national identifier. The Nazi gun law required a "Firearm Owner Identity Card." In Illinois, a person who wants to own a firearm has to get a "Firearm Owner Identification Card" complete with photograph. This takes 4 to 6 weeks. This "FOID" card is the direct descendent of the Nazi "Firearm Acquisition Permit" (Waffenerwerbschein), concealed carry permits are generally not available. No special permit is needed to transport a firearm from home to a target range if it is locked in the trunk of a car.

In Massachusetts, a "FOID" (Waffenerwerbscheine) card is necessary to own a firearm. To transport a pistol, even in a locked gun case in a locked trunk requires a "carry permit," the direct descendant of the Nazi "Firearm Carry Permit" (Waffenschein). To get this permit, or a permit for general concealed carry, three (3) letters of reference are required, as is a safety course at applicant's cost, a test of one's knowledge of firearm law, and a talk with the chief of police. The chief of police may still withhold the permit. If he agrees to issue the permit, the applicant is then finger printed.

In New Jersey, an applicant must first get a "Firearm Purchaser Identification Card" (Waffenerwerbschein), which requires finger printing. There is a special document for would be handgun owners, the "Permit to Purchase a Handgun." It is valid for 90 days, (extendable for 90 days for "good cause") and only for one handgun. Copies of this permit must be sent to the issuing authority (the local police) and the state police; the seller keeps a copy and the purchaser keeps a copy. Concealed carry permits (Waffenschein) are only rarely issued and are valid for no more than 2 years. A "justifiable need" must be shown, but the term is not defined. The local police chief must approve it. His approval is reviewed by the Court in the applicants county of residence.

For the Nazis, society was the end, individuals the means, and its whole life consisted in using individuals as instruments for its social ends. Individuals rights were only recognized in so far as they were implied in the rights of the state. The state was conceived as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the state. The Nazi state was viewed as an embodied will to power and government. The Nazi's ruled under Police Power. The essential method of the police power is that of regulation, restriction, or prohibition, but not that of taking for public use. This power or means is used where the government does not desire ownership of anything, but wishes rather to control the conduct of individuals. Sometimes regulation is much easier when a license is required. Some courts here in America have held that the taking of a few dollars for licenses, the primary purpose not being revenue, is an exercise of the police power. The courts have held that where "regulation goes too far it will be recognized as a taking." In operation, it may be defined as the power of the state (government) to regulate the conduct of individuals to the point of complete prohibition of certain acts of conduct or even to the destruction of the things involved. This belief in the police power is the theory that animates a number of dictatorial and totalitarian regimes throughout the world today.

The Nazi Doctrine rejected the whole idea of democracy and representative government. Rules of morality do not apply to the state or to its workers when serving the state (absolute immunity). Fraud, treachery, torture, even murder, are right if committed in the interest of the state (Waco, Texas). The people, incapable of governing, must be led by an "elite," a group or party that is able to seize and to hold power. Freedom of speech, press, thought, and religion must not be permitted; they are foolish democratic ideas, like elections and representative government. The state is not simply a means to attain the welfare of men. Instead it uses men to achieve its higher purpose, and that purpose is nothing less than power, power and more power. To avoid war and seek peace is only democratic weakness. War is the very life of the state in Nazi doctrine. As strange as it may appear, Nazi ideas have been imported into the United States, and have found secret as well as open and avowed recruits among both ordinary American citizens and many elected officials. One need only look to Washington D.C., as well as to elected public servants in the Union States, where you can find many supporters of the Nazi Doctrine.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:09 | 3103203 toomanyfakecons...
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Tis well documented... the Handgun Control Act of 1968, plagarized from Nazi laws.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:14 | 3102952 Mark Noonan
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It is the database in Feinstien's bill that is the most worrisome - you register all gun owners and list their weapons...and then you go through the list and see what federal crimes you can charge them with.  Given the number and complexitiy of federal laws, it is almost a certainty that most people, at one time or another, are in, you get the knock at the door (very polite) and a summons...and find you are charged with violating this, that or the other provision of law and, hey, we're willing to plea bargain it down...just plead guilty to this minor felony and you'll get off with a small fine...and, of course, no longer be able to legally possess weapons because now you are a "convicted felon".  Never doubt that our domestic totalitarians are in it for the long game...they are willing to spend a decade or two at desrtoying our liberty.

Fortuantely, there isn't much chance of any gun control legislation passing any time soon - in fact, over in Republican precints there is a gigantic sigh of relief over this:  wondering how to regain political traction after November's defeat, GOPers never figured that the Democrts would want to re-fight the gun control battle.  But we must still remain alert - the gun registry item may be inserted in any manner of unrelated bill (especially bills relating to Defense of Homeland Security), with a mind to passing it quietly and before anyone notices.

While gun-grabbing is clearly a central part in the totalitarian plan to undo American liberty, I think we'll miss the mark if we don't understand that the primary threat to our liberty is the breakdown of the American family.  This has been a deliberate effort on the part of our Ruling Class because people who don't have families (and clubs and churches, etc) to sustain them become atomized, alienated and thus easily controlled by government.  People are starting to wake up to this - I overheard a conversation the other day among a few black men who were talking over how food stamps, et al, appear to have been set up with the purpose of wrecking the black family by driving black fathers away - but most are still just going along not noticing it.  Restoring the family is key to restoring American liberty - and this means taking a whack at no-fault divorce, the public school system and the utterly wretched state of our popular culture with its glorification of violence and sex and denigration of faith and family. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:20 | 3102983 sbenard
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We are perched at the very precipice of tyranny, and most Americans still don't get it. Obama's legions of leeching lemmings are modern-day Esaus, willing to sell their birthright of liberty for a mess of entitlement pottage. They'll end up with neither!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:20 | 3102986 Skip
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October 2011 poll for MAIG that found 76 percent of Latinos supported Mexican style gun laws in the US. A poll in Mexico earlier this year found over 80% of Mexicans supported the banning of use of firearms in self-defense. Of course they all have ILLEGAL guns down there, I mean regular Mexicans not "Cartel" cuddlies.

Asians also support draconian gun laws in the US and black folks do also.

So how long before the Dems get their Majority? And add another supreme court appointment like Breyer, or Ginsberg or Kagan, the 3 Jewish Justices and a Sotomayor type, kiss it good-bye.


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 17:43 | 3103085 Pumpkin
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Strange.  I guess you hit the nail on the head when your post comes up in a search list, but is removed and not where or when it takes you.  To those that moved it, fuck you, you are the problem and the people know it.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:07 | 3103193 toomanyfakecons...
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Of course they want your guns... the cool ones and battle rifles. Please don't tread on my 40-round Mini-14 and AK74 magazines. They fit and they are fun to use. Reloading 5-round magazines is beyond tedious.


The gun and ammunition market is phenominal. Don't get left out in the cold! In most places you can still get a .22 rifle and 1000 rounds of ammo for around $200. This is an important price point. The local gun shops sell perfectly functional WWII bolt action rifles for $200 to $300 that will put a hole in just about anything. I just visited a shop with full racks of SKS and nice Mausers starting at $250.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:10 | 3103204 imbrbing
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Anyone that doesnt believe I should own any type of rifle I want in my country is living in the wrong country, I am not the one living in the wrong country. They need ot get out then

and go enjoy their gun free zone somewhere else, in someones elses country, NOT MINE!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:21 | 3103249 f16hoser
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Sorry Feinstein, the Bill of Rights and the 2nd amendment are nonnegotiable.


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:22 | 3103487 egoist
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"Do they know what they're in for..." I think we ought to ask that. I can't conceive that they'll do a hard-core confrontation. That's not the way they do anything anymore. I think it basically comes down to this: "you are not in compliance with the tax code; as a tax cheat, we will take your money, accounts, property..." They don't want you in jail, they want your stuff and your submission. It's a very effective way to twist you into whatever they want.

* * *

I wonder if some gov algo is plowing through our musings right now?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:54 | 3103616 smacker
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Anybody with an IQ larger than a jackboot size already knows why governments like to disarm their populations. It has little to do with reducing citizen-on-citizen murder.

Since Dianne Feinstein is Jewish, someone should ask her if she thinks the Jews across Europe would have had a better chance of survival if they had not been disarmed by the Nazis.


Fri, 12/28/2012 - 23:08 | 3104064 mendolover
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Anyone got that scratchy throat cough that won't go away?  My super healthy never smoked or drank GF has had it for three weeks and can't shake it.  Now I'm getting it.  Fucking chemtrails have been a bitch in the NE lately.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 23:33 | 3104100 Ben Dover
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Didn't read the article. Won't.

I searched it instead and found the words absent -

Honey Boo Boo Dancing With the Stars Jersey Shores

The American public can hardly be counted on to revolt when they are constantly distracted by crap.

It may happen, but not during prime time.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 23:34 | 3104101 Ben Dover
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Didn't read the article. Won't.

I searched it instead and found the words absent -

Honey Boo Boo Dancing With the Stars Jersey Shores

The American public can hardly be counted on to revolt when they are constantly distracted by crap.

It may happen, but not during prime time.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 01:46 | 3104221 Radical Marijuana
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TONS of comments provoked by this hot button issue!

There can be no sane revolution in the USA. There can be utterly insane collapses into chaos. There cannot be anyone sanely planning for a violent revolution within the USA, since there is no sane way to plan for a violent revolution inside a country with an abundance of weapons of mass destruction.

Any real revolution might be triggered by the police/army getting insane enough orders that a significant number of them would refuse to obey enforcing those insane orders. If any significant groups within the police/army refuse to obey insane orders, then that would trigger a real revolution, since the chain of command would be fragmented. However, the moment that happens, then those who refused to obey insane orders would seize control of weapons of mass destruction.

Therefore, instantly, the entire "revolution" would be transported into the world of MAD ... Mutual Assured Destruction, being due to the credible threats having deterrent effects ... unless that broke down, through some additional insanities, piled on top of the orders which were insane enough to cause the chain of command to break in the first place.

Attempting to make ordinary weapons illegal for ordinary American people could create situations where attempts to enfoce that resulted in insane enough orders, for that to backfire badly. However, after such things happened, then the REALITY of there being an INSANE ABUNDANCE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION WOULD EMERGE!

There has never been any coherent theory of how to fight a war with mass destruction weapons, and it is impossible to come up with any coherent theory regarding how to fight a violent revolution with those either. However, those weapons EXIST, and America is already inside of situations where there is irrconcilable social polarizations, since the government is controlled by criminals, who are destroying the lives of most ordinary Americans, and that is on a runaway path, automatically getting worse, faster ...

The social facts regarding the irreconcilable social polarizations, caused by runaway triumphant financial frauds, backed by force, actually controlling the USA, and actually planning to consolidate that system within America, and globally, are all driving us towards psychotic breakdowns of the established systems going for broke! However, there continues to be NO WAY TO IMAGINE ANY SANE VIOLENT REVOLUTION ... (which is why I believe there has not yet been any, since nobody who is still sane can plan and carry out any violent revolutions inside the USA today.)

Therefore, I agree that gun control efforts could trigger an insane violent "revolution" inside the USA. Since everything that matters is automatically getting worse, faster, ... psychotic social breakdowns seem inevitable ... HOWEVER, that only tips us over the edge, into MAD situations, where the revolutionaries gain control over weapons of mass destruction, and get to threaten the previous systems of social power with unimaginable consequences ...

I think that the USA must go through some kind of psychotic breakdowns, which will be initiated when sufficiently insane laws attempt to be enforced through sufficiently insane orders, that some significant groups of the police/army significantly refuse to obey those orders ... However, that is not going to enable anything else to emerge out of that collapse into chaos that becomes more sane, for as far into the future as one can see, since nothing can make weapons of mass destruction, trillions of times more powerful, become "sane" things within our current society.

Given that ALL the gunpowder weapons in America combined, even hundreds of millions of them, and all their gunpowder ammunition, are practically NOTHING compared to weapons of mass destruction. Our entire society is sleepwalking through systems of morbid social habits, which pretend that gunpowder weapons are sane, when they no longer are, because NOTHING is sane, after weapons which are trillions of times more powerful EXIST!!!

The intellectual Second American Revolution should follow a Second Enlightenment, based on radically different paradigms regarding militarism, and death controls ... However, so far, almost NOBODY, and certainly not enough enough Americans, have any sane ways to respond to the existence of weapons of mass destruction. We have simply been on autopilot cruise control, developing more and better MADnesses, in ways which simply amplified how totally INSANE the global systems of eletronic fiat money frauds, backed by the threats of force through the use of weapons of mass destruction have become ...

Of course, the international banksters want to destroy the American democratic republic, in order to impose a global government that consolidates those banksters' dominance of the whole world, through controlling the whole world's money supplies, as debts, made out of nothing, that everyone else is forced to accept! Of course, the international banksters that control the puppet politicians want to disarm the masses of muppets, in order to have impunity to continue to rob and murder those muppets. However, all of that is just more and more runway social insanity, headed towards psychotic breakdowns. I believe those breakdown points must happen. However, I do not believe that they could be sanely constructive, for all the reasons I repeated above.

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