Guest Post: Feinstein's Gun Control Bill Will Trigger The Next American Revolution

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party - Mao Tse Tung

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military - William Burroughs

Revolution?  Yes, it all sounds rather “extreme”, but the cold hard reality of our era is not going to comfort us with diplomacies and niceties, so honestly, why should I have to sugar coat anything?  We live in extreme times and there is no longer room for prancing around the ultimate consequences of that which is taking place in America today.  This country is increasingly sliding towards the edge of internal conflict.  The Liberty Movement and true Constitutionalists see it, subsections of Republicans and Democrats see it, and most of all, the federal government sees it.  In fact, they may even be counting on it. 

Over the past two years alone, multiple draconian policies have been enacted through executive order by the Obama Administration which build upon the civil liberty crushing actions of George W. Bush and press far beyond.  The Patriot Acts, the FISA domestic spy bill, the bailouts of corrupt international banks, attempts at CISPA and SOPA, actions like the NDAA authorizing the treatment of U.S. citizens as “enemy combatants” without rights to due process; all paint a picture so clear only a one-celled amoeba (or your average suburban yuppie) would not see it.  You and I, and everyone else for that matter, have been designated potential targets of the state.  Our rights have been made forfeit.

There is no ambiguous or muddled separation between the citizenry and the government anymore.  The separation is absolute.  It is undeniable.  It is vast.  It is only a matter of time and momentum, and eventually there will be unbridled oppression, dissent, and conflict.  All that is required is a trigger, and I believe that trigger has arrived…       

Though made to appear “complex”, the gun control debate is actually an incredibly simple issue.  It all boils down to a couple of questions which gun grabbers rarely ask:  How does the 2nd Amendment affect the future?  That is to say, what was the original intent, and should we still value that intent as it applies to tomorrow?  And, what will really happen if it is forcibly removed?  Gun opponents act as though they are unaware of these questions, or maybe they don’t care.  However, it is vital to their safety and the safety of our culture in general that they do finally consider the bigger picture. 

We’ve all heard the prefabricated gun control talking points before.  Some of them so old they predate us.  They are numerous and most of them incredibly thin.  The gist of the anti-gun position, though, could be boiled down to these three points...

Common Anti-Gun Arguments:

1) The 2nd Amendment is “outdated” and no longer relevant in today’s modern society.

2) We do not want to stop you from “defending yourself”, or interfere with the American tradition of hunting, but people do not need “military assault weapons” for either.

3) Your claimed freedom to own guns should not supersede my freedom to live without fear of guns.  We exist in a society, and our society requires us to give up certain freedoms so that it can function.

Again, in response to these arguments, I have to ask, what does the 2nd Amendment mean for the future?  What was its original intent?  Gun control advocates would like to ignore the fact that the Constitution specifically protects a broad application of gun ownership, but when they cannot deny the legality of it, they instead turn to more abstract and existential methods of attack.  They try to twist the original intent of the 2nd Amendment to further their goals.  To respond briefly to each of the above fallacies:   

1) The right to self defense from ANY threat, whether it be an individual, or a criminal government, does not “outdate”.  It is a universal and eternal freedom.  It is a foundational pillar of natural law.  Even if the 2nd Amendment did not exist, I would still have the inborn right to arm and protect myself and those I love, and the best way to do that is to own firearms.  The men who drafted the Constitution were far more intelligent than any pithy gun grabber today, yet, these socialist errand boys seem to believe that they have “surpassed” the wisdom of the Founders.  The amount of ego required to fuel such an attitude boggles the mind…

Gun violence and violence in general will not end simply by banning firearms.  The very idea that any society can remove all weapons from their sight is naïve to begin with.  Criminals always find a way.  Murder, rape, and mayhem will continue until you confront the root problem, which is the human mind, and the human heart.  Only when these two things are balanced in all people will violence end.  Disarming good men and women has never made a society “safer”.  When the power of defense is removed from the people, someone, somewhere, will seek to abuse their weakness.  The most armed entity of the time invariably becomes the subjugator, and usually this is the government.  Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, Mao’s China, Pol Pot’s Cambodia, etc, all contained disarmed populations.  The guns were gone, and still millions upon millions died.  Modern day Mexico is a perfect example of a disarmed population that is now living in terror because of criminal organizations (which, of course, still have guns).  Disarmament does NOT end gun violence, it only changes the dynamic of who uses that violence, and it makes innocent victims easier to attack.

2) Because the legal argument over the “interpretation” of the 2nd Amendment is essentially over, and the Supreme Court has ruled that gun rights do indeed apply to individuals, and not just collective bodies like the National Guard, gun grabbers are now reverting to the argument that we ARE allowed to defend ourselves with firearms, but the kinds of firearms we are able to use can still be limited.  The goal of this argument is to fool gun owners who only possess conventional firearms (hunting rifles) into believing that they will not be personally affected if they support a ban on military style weapons.  These wishy-washy hunting enthusiasts are often referred to as “Elmer Fudds” because of their gullibility.

All gun confiscation programs start by chipping away at the outer barriers of gun ownership.  Like termites slowly chewing away at the wooden skeleton of a home, anti-gun proponents start small and end by destroying the entire edifice.  Anyone who believes Feinstein’s legislation will begin and end with AR-15’s and AK-47’s is living in fantasy land.  That said, the 2nd Amendment was not established for hunting purposes.  Nowhere in the writings of the Founding Fathers do they mention “hunting” as their primary concern.  Instead, gun rights are protected in order to ensure that the citizenry remains dominant over any centralized government that turns to corruption.  We are supposed to police our own political leaders, and without military style arms, this becomes increasingly difficult. 

Gun grabbers will argue that our government is not the enemy because it is derived through democratic elections.  They will say that we can change it anytime we like in the voting box.  I would point out that regardless of which party is placed in power through elections, nothing in terms of our direction as a country has been changed, and, that both parties support almost identical policies.  For instance, Obama has come out in favor of nearly identical policy initiatives to Bush, and I can almost guarantee that many Republicans will sign onto the gun control efforts of Democrats despite their supposed pro-gun rhetoric.  When the two party system becomes a one party system, voting becomes irrelevant. 

Finally, they will admonish the idea of an armed citizenry keeping the government in check as a “fairy tale”.  They will claim that in the face of modern military might, constitutionalists would be crushed.  For what can an AK-47 do to an F-15?  Apparently, they have never heard of Afghanistan, which has used AK-47’s and 30 year old armaments to repel two technologically advanced armies; the Soviet Union and the U.S.  Of course, the Afghanis did not allow themselves to be disarmed…   

3) Here is where we get into the nonsense of intellectual idiocy.  The only real skill which academics seem to have is jumbling piles of logical fallacies together to make a single argument that sounds “rational”, but, in fact, isn’t.  The third debate point is an extremely collectivist one, and collectivist arguments generally exploit the idea that individuals must sacrifice their personal freedoms in order for the group to function. 

The truth is, the group does not matter.  The perceived collective concerns and fears of a mass of people are not relevant.  All that matters are the concerns of the singular man or woman, and whether or not those concerns are legitimate.  If a person “fears” guns and gun violence, then that is their private problem, not the problem of our entire society.  We as gun owners should not have to relinquish our rights because others are afraid of what MIGHT happen to them.  We should demand that they control THEIR fear, instead of being allowed to control OUR guns.  Just because a portion of our country shares this individual fear does not make that fear any more credible, or any more our problem.      

Do They Know What They Are In For...?

Feinstein’s campaign for gun control is not hers alone; it has been the overall establishment’s work in progress for decades.  I covered the broad based arguments of gun control advocates above because I wanted to illustrate the tangibility of gun ownership.  I want to show you where we stand as constitutionalists, and I can say confidently that our moral and intellectual footing is strong.  To be clear, when defenders of a particular idea are right in their position, they are much more likely to fight and die for that position, and they are much more likely to win.  

In the beginning I asked what the 2nd Amendment means for the future of this country.  Not only if it continues, but if it disappears.  If I was a gun control proponent, I would weigh the aftereffects of my actions carefully, because the penalties will likely be dire…

I have heard it argued that Americans are passive.  We didn’t rise up against the last Assault Weapons Ban. We didn’t rise up against the Patriot Act.  We didn’t rise up against TSA molestation.  We didn’t rise up against warrantless wiretapping, the assassination of U.S. citizens, or even the NDAA.  The people who make this point, though, are not looking at the larger issue.  It is one thing for our government to pass legislation; the wider application of that legislation on our streets and at our doorsteps is another matter. 

Feinstein’s bill is unprecedented in the history of this country, and requires widespread enforcement in every town and hamlet in order to be effective.  The way in which it is designed makes a violent response from the public inevitable.  It reaches far beyond the Assault Weapons Ban of the 1990’s, calling for the creation of a massive database of almost all gun owners in the United States.  This database will require citizens to submit their EXISTING firearms to cataloging, and the owners to be filed and fingerprinted like criminals. 

The bill will ban the outright the sale, manufacture, and transfer of at least 120 models of firearms (which have not yet been named).  It will ban the manufacture and sale of most if not all semi-automatic rifles and the bill specifically targets handguns as well.  Large capacity mags and mag fed weapons will essentially disappear from gun stores.  Though, those guns designated as “hunting rifles” will be exempt (for now).

Feinstein has also openly agreed with NY Governor Andrew Cuomo that government buy back programs (forced selling of firearms at a reduced price) and even physical confiscations are on the table:

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/new-york-governor-andrew-cuomo-says-gun-confiscation-could-be-option

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sen.-feinstein-suggests-national-buyback-of-guns/article/2516648

To put this bluntly, there are approximately 50 million gun owners (according to official estimates) in the United States.  If only 2% of those gun owners refuse to submit to the Feinstein Database, and the feds attempt confiscation, they will have a massive revolution on their hands.

Many Americans, including myself, will not be strolling into the local Fusion Center to register our weapons.  Why?  Because gun registration reeks of fascism!  Some might call this “cliche”, but let’s just examine the guidelines of the Nazi Gun Registration Program of 1938:

- Classified guns for "sporting purposes"

- All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.

- Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law (meaning officials could have guns, citizens could not).

- Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.

- The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.

- Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition.

You see, we’ve witnessed the Feinstein gun bill before, many times through history.  We know how it ends, so, there is very little incentive for us to go along quietly.

The database itself is truly the crux of it all.  It basically begs to be defied.  When a government has become openly hostile to common people, destructive of their economy, and oppressive of their individual rights, it only follows that gun registration will lead to outright confiscation later down the road or imprisonment for the owner.  Many Americans are simply not going to fall into the same trap that past societies have fallen into.  The eventual refusal of millions of citizens to voluntarily register will lead to a definite federal response. 

The Department Of Homeland Security has obviously taken this into account, at least partly, by stockpiling over 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the span of a year, most of which are used in weapons distributed by the government for domestic enforcement.  Their projected scenario, I believe, involves limited resistance from people like myself; “gun nuts” and “liberty freaks” who are on the “fringe” of the populous.  At least, that’s what the headlines will say.  In the end, who will care if a few “conspiracy theorists” take a bullet in the quest to end gun violence, right?  But then again…

What I see in America is a much harder stance against gun confiscation than at any time in recent memory, and far less compromising than in the 1990’s.  Gun grabbers are, in my view, walking into a hornets nest.  Most average firearms enthusiast may be less aware of the deeper problems at hand, but they know when they are about to be raped, and will react in kind.  We in the Liberty Movement are often accused of “radicalizing” people against government authority, but I have to say, if that is the case, then the Feds are doing a much better job than we ever could.

Simultaneously, the UN (which most gun owners despise) is helping matters along by using the recent Sandy Hook shooting as a springboard for a reintroduction of their failed international Small Arms Treaty:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/28/un-arms-treaty-nra_n_2373417.html

"European and other U.N. delegates who support the arms trade treaty told Reuters on condition of anonymity they hoped Newtown would boost support for the convention in the United States, where gun control is an explosive political issue."

"Newtown has opened the debate within the United States on weapons controls in ways that it has not been opened in the past," Abramson said, adding that "the conversation within the U.S. will give the (Obama) administration more leeway."

The UN has always claimed that their small arms treaty would NOT restrict private gun ownership in the U.S., and that it only deals with the international trade of illicit arms.  Yet, they try to use gun control actions in the face of Sandy Hook as a rationale for reopening negotiations?  They can't have it both ways.  Either they are trying to tie the treaty to domestic gun ownership in the U.S, or they aren't.  Will our government sign on to an international agreement to restrict private gun ownership on top of Feinstein's gun grab bill?  

To put this in the most basic terms: registration and restriction equals revolution.  Count on it.  It is not a matter of what we "want", it is a matter of what is necessary.  Without a citizenry armed with weapons of military application, we lose our last deterrent to tyranny, and thus, we lose everything.  When backed into a corner, a victim has two options: he can lie down and die, or, he can fight regardless of the odds.  Sadly, this is where we are in America; fear, servitude, subservience, or civil war.

Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws - Edward Abbey

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Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:58 | 3102157 Dr. No
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"And once again, I’m ashamed to report to you gentlemen... ...I stood down!"

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:29 | 3102293 azzhatter
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Summing up America in one photo

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:20 | 3102721 The Gooch
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TSA! TSA! TSA!

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:25 | 3102742 Tom_333
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Yes.I suspect that reality will differ much from rhetoric.There´s been a lot of talk of guns,gold and grub last years.Sad truth is that when they come for the guns - all will be handed over.

Having had two years of military training - light infantry type of activity - I know that it´s hard work.There are different rules of thumb for min. standards for an effective force.One was that you should be able to run (or more jog or trot) with all your gear and do 7 miles under 55 minutes.Another one was that you had to develop outdoors skills.You had to be able to live outdoors for three weeks,sleeping without any shelter - in all kinds of weather and subsisting on what you could carry.And this you would be doing over and over again.I don´t think the guy in the photo will (be able to) put up a lot of resistence.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:03 | 3103416 Citxmech
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He doesn't need to run around carrying a battle rifle to be effective at aiding some future resistance.  Maybe he works in a federal office and flushes sponges down all the toilets once in a while, or sets off a smoke bomb now and again, or mails baggies of non-descript powder.  Maybe he works in supply and misallocates shipments - or enters poor data - or works at the DHS and acts as an informant.  Maybe he just "slips at work" and goes on disability to avoid paying taxes to the beast.

Lots of opportunities to be a PITA without being Rambo.

Not that I would ever advocate for such actions, but it seems to have been good enough for the CIA in Nicaragua:

http://www.google.com/search?q=CIA+Sabotage+manual&hl=en&client=opera&hs...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:35 | 3103499 hedgeless_horseman
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The point is not if Fatso Americano could rebel, it is that he will choose not to rebel. 

Hey lard ass, tell us which of your skinny neighbors have illegal guns and you can keep your Church's Chicken, leased Suburban, 24-hour CVS pharmacy, Dancing With The Hasbeens, and 124 ounce caffeinated sugar drinks.  Deal?

What is he going to say?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 19:53 | 3103612 Citxmech
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I'm guessing that the ratio of Sheep to Sheepdogs, to Wolves is pretty consistant over time.  What percentage of the French were involved in the resistance against the Nazis?  My guess is that as the situation deteriorates here, a movement will grow - as will the oppression.  I think that's inevitable at this point.

Of course it also depends on where you live.  I think country folk tend to stick together more when it comes to outsiders - especially when it's the federales telling them what they can do.

On a happy note, the Seattle Times had a pro-disarmament op ed published the other day (no opposing position, of course) and the comments were more than 95% against any gun bans.  I was very surprised.

I'm very curious how many LEOs would comply with this proposed ban. . .

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 22:02 | 3103930 Edelweiss
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 Over the past week or so I spent time looking for articles on sites considered "left leaning" to see what kinds of comments were made about gun control.  I found a surprising number of pro second amendment posts.  Some were obviously trolls there to stir the pot, as is the case on any site.  Relatively few of the posts were staunchly anti gun.  Even on sites like "mother jones".  Hardly a conservative think tank.  A good number of people see it for what it is, the exploitation of a horrific event to further a statist  agenda.  Feinstein said on NBC's "meet the press", that this bill has been in the works for a year.  Just waiting for the right opportunity to trot out this piece of shit.   

 
Sat, 12/29/2012 - 11:27 | 3104485 daxtonbrown
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We are already in a civil war, it is just a slow boil one, like Venezuela. But civil war is ineviable, because we have made future generations indentured debt slaves. The young will revolt of necessity rather than courage when the full bill comes due.

http://www.futurnamics.com/civilwar.php

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:43 | 3102083 Redneck Hippy
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Would the author really take up arms against U.S. troops?  Does his silly militia expect to stand up to the U.S. Marines? 

This is just testosterone fueled bullshit.

Nobody really needs an assault rifle.  The argument that we need protection from our government would apply as well to suitcase nukes.  

There will be no civil war, just a bunch of disgruntled red necks running their mouths.  If you really must keep your gun, move to Somalia.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:48 | 3102096 hedgeless_horseman
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Does his silly militia expect to stand up to the U.S. Marines?

Yeah!  Who does the author think he is?  The Viet Cong?

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:51 | 3102121 Harlequin001
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This guys a Toyota driver, you can tell...

Good god man, the pictures changed...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:01 | 3102164 hedgeless_horseman
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This is just testosterone fueled bullshit.

Nobody really needs an assault rifle.

...pay no attention to the woman in the photo defeating U.S. Marines with an assault rifle.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:02 | 3102176 Harlequin001
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She probably married one after that, and went to live in America...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:21 | 3102724 HardAssets
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Or she saw that Communism was complete bullshit, a way for the North to get all the VC killed off during Tet. -- Maybe she saw the light, moved to America, and opened up a restaurant where they serve great Pho.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:52 | 3102842 Cathartes Aura
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or maybe she is the parent of a child suffering the after effects of being sprayed with Agent Orange,

Beginning in 1961, U.S. and South Vietnamese forces sprayed 20 million gallons of it and other herbicides over vast areas of South Vietnam and parts of Laos and Cambodia. The spraying denuded more than 8,600 square miles of jungle and cropland. The U.S. military stopped using Agent Orange in 1971 after the National Institutes of Health found that it contained a chemical contaminant that caused birth defects in lab animals. By then, hundreds of thousands of U.S. soldiers and millions of Vietnamese civilians had been in contact with the stuff, many of them so oblivious to its dangers that they bathed in water stored in the empty barrels.

[...]the rate of birth defects in Vietnam has quadrupled since the war, and that most of them occur where Agent Orange was sprayed or stored. Vietnamese scientists blame dioxin contamination for a broad range of birth defects, from blood disorders to clubfeet.

and too busy to make yer dinner.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:11 | 3102214 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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not to mention al qaida. someone here the other day mentioned how theyve stymied the us military for ten years with a high school level understanding of chemistry and the afghan equivalent of radio shack

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:32 | 3102312 Dr. No
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high school level understanding of chemistry

 

After seeing the latest test scores, this is quite a statment!!  

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:32 | 3102550 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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lol. but that is what makes their effective resistance so remarkable.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:17 | 3102242 mercenaryomics
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+1
hh, you're one of my zh heroes. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:51 | 3102126 N. B. Forrest
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Either you're rather ignorant, or just whore for stiring things up.  Most marines would fight against this government if it came down to a civil war. 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:43 | 3102584 Titus Flavius C...
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You greatly, greatly overestimate the critical thinking skills of brain washed 20 year olds.

 

They will gladly fight domestic"terrorists" and chomp at the bit to do it.

 

As will DHS.

 

It's not going to be a "war" - it will be 'police actions' on the more troublesome.

 

And Americans will cheer it, and comment approvingly on the Fox and CNN websites.

 

They've already won the information war...  Alex Jones' silence on Israel's complicity in running 9/11, and who his sponsors are, should tell you all you need to know.

 

Let's just hope the Joint Chiefs know the score.

 

Frankly, citing the overwhelming evidence of Israeli and Pentagon complicity in 9/11 would be a great excuse to overthrow the civilian government, or so I've read on certain websites.

 

Still think resistance is going to have to be non-violent and clever as hell to work.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:17 | 3103232 LFMayor
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Non violent and clever?

sounds pretty fucking gay to me, I'll pass and take all the violent dullards you can ship.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 13:58 | 3102145 CrockettAlmanac.com
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If you really must keep your gun, move to Somalia.

 

Because Chicago has strict gun control laws and it's nothing like Somalia.

 

Fatal West Side Shooting Is City’s 500th Homicide This Year December 28, 2012 6:09 AM

 

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/12/28/man-shot-on-west-side-becomes-500...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:54 | 3102405 Agent P
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+1

Anyone who argues stricter gun control leads to reduced gun violence should be made to publicly explain Chicago crime statistics.  And for those who think 500 is a reasonably small number for a city the size of Chicago, I urge you to look into the number of shootings up there that do not result in a fatality...I hope to God I'm never in a gun fight, but if I am, please let it be against one of these thugs who likes to hold his gun sideways and above his line of sight.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:12 | 3102432 hedgeless_horseman
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I hope pray to God I'm never in a gun fight, but if I am, please let it be against one of these thugs who likes to hold his gun sideways and above his line of sight...

...sticking his gun's muzzle right up in my face.  Amen.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-19-10/fear-we-are-returning-time-history-where-it-common-occurrence-fight-ones-life

Item 7

Complete the following courses in this order:

1. One half-day tactical folding knife class; $150.

2. 2-3 weekends of Tactical Pistol Courses; $1,000.

3. 2-3 weekends of Tactical Rifle Courses; $1,000.

4. One day of Self and Family Emergency Medical Aid/Trauma Kit Course; $150.

5. A series of several two-hour self-defense classes (not martial arts classes); $200.

6. Fulfillment of requirements for concealed handgun permit; $250.

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:49 | 3102476 The Gooch
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5. A series of several two-hour self-defense classes (not martial arts classes); $200.

Hapkido and/or Krav Maga are excellent choices.

(private *focused* lessons with the Hapkido)

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:52 | 3102615 viahj
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"please let it be against one of these thugs who likes to hold his gun sideways and above his line of sight."

in a quick draw scenario, if you look down and parrallel to the side of the firearm it is reasonably accurate in close quarters but yeah, that over the head shit is retarded.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:51 | 3102836 FEDbuster
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No problem shooting ghetto style with Birdman's "Homeboy Nyte Sytes":

http://www.pakguns.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8182&d=1328523230

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:06 | 3102192 ElvisDog
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It doesn't have to be Lexington and Concord for an effective revolution. Revolutions work when the people who are revolting reach a critical mass and call the government's bluff. Let's say you and your friends achieve your fondest dream and the Feinstein bill passes. And let's say that just 5% of the 50 million gun owners refuse to register their guns. That is a reasonable number I would argue. That 2.5 million lawbreakers. What does the government do then? Clearly there will be millions of unregistered guns out there. Do they arrest 2.5 million people and put them into prison? What happens when an owner uses his un-registered gun to defend himself and is arrested for it?

The statists always count on passive acceptance of their liberty-restricting policies. But a failure of their gun control law would break that facade. Once people get a taste of liberty and their own power to assert it (ala the French in 1789) it will be impossible for the statists to put the genie back in the bottle. They are playing with nitro glycerin here.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:21 | 3102257 Bicycle Repairman
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The MSM will report 99.99% compliance.  The ATF will stage a raid or two.  Then they simply wait out the holdouts.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:28 | 3102289 F. Bastiat
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That's definitely the strategy that would be used. A combination of mass-image-media propaganda and a few heavily mass media covered "enforcement" operations.  That would cow a lot of people.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:31 | 3102305 Freddie
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F All of TV and ALL of Hollywood.   Fox News is not any better too. Murdoch was for banning guns an hour after the CT false flag.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 03:43 | 3104278 John_Coltrane
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They already tried it with the Branch Davidian raid and it didn't work.   NRA membership and gun sales increased drastically, the Dems were handily defeated in 1994 and the whole Clinton gun grab failed.  And do you remember the Randy Weaver incident?  Another Janet Reno epic fail and the end of any further attempt at gun control until now.  (Weaver, a decorated green beret single handily held off an entire swat team from the ATF for days, killing several, which shows you what incompetents work for gun grabbers.  The idiots shot his son's dog and the son, killed the sniper with his hunting rifle)  And if they try it again the NRA will hand them their hides again.  Its still 4M strong and we know how to shoot and reload unlike most police who aren't NRA members (many many miliary and police are NRA members and won't support any government gun grab).

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:41 | 3102534 cranky-old-geezer
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And let's say that just 5% of the 50 million gun owners refuse to register their guns. That is a reasonable number I would argue. That 2.5 million lawbreakers. What does the government do then?

I'll tell you exactly what they'll do. Once the registration window closes, anyone caught with an unregistered firearm will draw a mandatory no-questions-asked no-appeal 10 yr prison sentence.

There.  Now they don't have to go after the rest.   Just wait for somebody to produce an unregistered firearm, like defending themselves in a home robbery, shooting the intruder.   That's it, they go to prison.

This is why piecemeal resistance won't work.  It never has worked. 

There has to be a full-on revolution, like the French Revolution where everybody stormed the palace, overwhelmed the guards, dragged the king & queen out, gave 'em a quick trial, and beheaded them.

But that won't happen in America.  You can't rally enough of the population to do something like that. 

And it's not just a king & queen now, it's thousands of bureaucrats scattered all over.  No way could you round 'em all up even if you had a million armed revolting people on the march.

The military won't follow orders to go against the people?

No problem, they're being kept out of the country so 4+ million federalized domestic LE (mercenaries) can do it without interference from the military. They'll gladly turn their weapons on Americans, they do it every day now, many really enjoying that macho feeling of control.  They'd gun down a whole crowd of Americans if ordered to, and high-five each other when they're done.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:44 | 3102586 ElvisDog
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Just wait for somebody to produce an unregistered firearm, like defending themselves in a home robbery, shooting the intruder.   That's it, they go to prison.

But you've just made my point. That's exactly why the gun control plan won't work, because what you wrote will happen over and over. Imagine the visceral reaction of the public to the gun owner who pleads "what was I supposed to do? Let the bad guy kill me and rape my wife?" with his wife and little children crying in the background as he is led away to prison. That happens more than a few times and "boom" the revolution happens.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:38 | 3102760 cranky-old-geezer
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That happens more than a few times and "boom" the revolution happens.

How STUPID can you be?

You'll NEVER HEAR ABOUT IT.  Remember that controlled media we have?  No, you'll never hear about it.

...and that wife will be threatened with "obstruction of justice" charges, her own prison sentence (and CPS taking her kids) if she says one word to the press.

What part of "police state" do you not understand MORON?

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:54 | 3103378 The Gooch
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Faith is a myth until it's not.

That's where the blogosphre and people like most ZH'ers come in. 

MSM is gasping for credibility and bernankebux to continue the meme...

Holiday family gatherings were a sobering (albeit positive) tell. On either side of Uncle Santa were discussions of corruption, banking, civil rights and the rule of law.

Even the former sheep are growing fangs. "Unified family front" was my favorite phrase of Christmas Eve.

Silver bars were distibuted in Christmas Cards.

Hear that capitol hill?

 

 

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:24 | 3102737 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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as much as i hate to admit it, i think you might be right about those roided out mercenaries. a lot of them are just set on kill and dont really think about or care about the implication of their actions. i hope youre wrong but things arent looking good right now.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:36 | 3103299 Cathartes Aura
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natural selection.

it's in the name, they're paid to do what they're told.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 06:48 | 3104296 ConfederateH
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There certainly won't be a spontaneous uprising across the country.  Lets just take California.  Lets say a couple of dozen rednecks in Colfax decide to shut down I80.  In a week the bay area food shelves are empty, EBT stops working.  Armed and rioting negroids, gangbangers and chicanos rise up across Feinsteins home turf in South SF, Oakland, Berkley.  As in the LA riots the police cannot deal with it and her precious pacific heights queer pals are sent squealing across the golden gate bridge.  Up come the national guard from ford Ord but they never make it through San Jose.... 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:40 | 3102328 ejmoosa
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Just how many Marines do you think there are?  And what makes you think they are loyal to an unconstitutional order?

You should check out Oathkeepers before you post such bullshit...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:56 | 3102413 Ookspay
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Very true. I had a conversation with my friend the other day, he's a full bird colonel in the Army reserve. He commands a few hundred "locals", they will not blindly follow unconstitutional orders and attack their neighbors. They may very well turn towards DC if need be.

Civil war part deux need not be a hot war...

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:58 | 3102418 Randall Cabot
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The Oathkeepers will be the second bunch to voluntarily turn in their guns, right after the zionist Alex Jones morons.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:14 | 3102684 cranky-old-geezer
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Oathkeepers is bullshit when many of them are out of the country terrorizing other nations, gunning people down, under the very same type orders they claim they'll refuse here at home.

It's pure sickening hypocrisy.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 14:53 | 3102384 Abiotic Oil
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Redneck Hippy, "This is just testosterone fueled bullshit."

You need to up your testosterone it sounds like. You probably have so much estrogenic poison in your system you weigh 150lb's at 25% body fat.

The DHS did not buy 2.6 BILLION ROUNDS OF AMMO for shits and giggles.

I think most of the military is on our side, the Constitutional side. DHS might be another story.

Testosterone is good. Being big and strong is good. Besides, chix dig it. Head on over to http://70sbig.com and get back to us when you can deadlift 3x your body weight.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 15:54 | 3102628 Dapper Dan
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I think Blackwater (now Xe) is another story also, think what they could do for the "cause"  care to guess what side  they would they be on.

I recommend reading Jeremy Scahill's book Blackwater-The rise Of The World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army. published by MJF books.

Blackwater run by a guy named Erik Prince, this guy belives he is doing gods work,  and is a rightwing fundamentalist Christian,   he has his own private army, and will work for who will pay him.

From the Economist.http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2009/08/erik_prince_and_the_last_crusa

In an affidavit lodged with a court in Virginia, one of the witnesses said that Mr Prince "views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe." The statement continues

To that end, Mr. Prince intentionally deployed to Iraq certain men who shared his vision of Christian supremacy, knowing and wanting these men to take every available opportunity to murder Iraqis. Many of these men used call signs based on the Knights of the Templar, the warriors who fought the Crusades.

Mr. Prince operated his companies in a manner that encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life. For example, Mr. Prince's executives would openly speak about going over to Iraq to "lay Hajiis out on cardboard." Going to Iraq to shoot and kill Iraqis was viewed as a sport or game. Mr. Prince's employees openly and consistently used racist and derogatory terms for Iraqis and other Arabs, such as "ragheads" or "hajiis."

 

 

 

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 16:54 | 3102850 XitSam
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FYI - Blackwater & Xe are now Academi.

Fri, 12/28/2012 - 18:36 | 3103300 Dapper Dan
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I am a little behind in my reading, thanks for the link,

From said Link...

In 2009, Prince announced that he would relinquish involvement in the company's day-to-day business in December, along with some of his ownership rights. He also said he considered becoming a teacher.[31] In late 2010, Prince moved to Abu Dhabi, where he subsequently started another security services company, Reflex Responses.[32]

In 2011, former NSA head and CIA executive Bobby Ray Inman became the head of Xe's board of directors.[33] In May 2011, Xe named Ted Wright as CEO.[34] Wright hired a new governance chief to oversee ethical and legal compliance and established a new board composed of former government officials, including Jack Quinn, former Clinton adviser, and John Ashcroft.[35] In December 2011, Xe changed its name again, to "Academi". The name refers to Plato's Academy[2] and is meant, according to Ted Wright, to reflect a more "boring" image.[38]

Bobby Ray Inman was a member of the Board of Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas (as Chairman, 1987-90)

Jack Quinn Democrat and member of Council on Foreign Relations

Old John is a scary son of a gun,

From http://www.nndb.com/people/352/000022286/

Ashcroft studied law at Yale, and promptly secured a position teaching law at Southwest Missouri State University -- a job which carried the perk of immunity from the Vietnam era draft. . In vetoing funding for an AIDS care center, he was quoted saying, "Well, they're there because of their own misconduct, and it wasn't very reputable misconduct, either."

 He became one of the first politicians to advocate federal funding for "faith-based programs", and earned perfect marks from the Christian Coalition. When asked whether he had any problem legislating morality, Ashcroft once explained, "I think all we should legislate is morality. We shouldn't legislate immorality."

After September 11, 2001, Ashcroft was generally credited as 'architect' of the PATRIOT Act, which established several short cuts to circumvent such traditional and constitutional safeguards as search warrants and judicial oversight of police. Ashcroft authorized secret arrests and detentions, expanded wiretapping, blocked Freedom of Information Act requests, OK'd eavesdropping on defense lawyers and infiltration of political protest groups. He tried to organize a nationwide "tips" line for mail carriers, home repairmen, delivery drivers and others whose occupations bring them in contact with the general public to report suspicious activity. For all this effort, however, Ashcroft had surprisingly few successful prosecutions against terrorists, and the Justice Dept was caught several times playing "shell games" with the numbers. For example, crimes such as writing bad checks or protesters trespassing on a Navy base were listed as "terror convictions", despite having no cited connection to any acts of terrorism.

He has said he was anointed with oil "in the manner of King David" as he took each successive political office in his career. When he became a Senator his father anointed him with Crisco brand cooking oil, and died the next day. Before becoming Attorney General, Ashcroft had Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas do the anointing.

Since leaving the Bush administration, Ashcroft has pursued his first private sector employment since his Dairy Queen days -- his services are now available as a lobbyist. His clients include Choicepoint, Israel Aircraft Industries International, and Oracle Corporation. .

 

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