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Obama: "My Offer Is Nothing" - Stocks Plunge
Looks like today everyone in Congress was short. Here's why:
- OBAMA SAID NOT TO MAKE NEW OFFER IN FISCAL CLIFF TALKS
- OBAMA OFFER DETAILED BY SOURCE FAMILIAR WITH WHITE HOUSE MTG
- OBAMA SAID REITERATING PROPOSAL FROM LAST WEEK ON FISCAL CLIFF
- OBAMA PLAN INCLUDES RAISING TAXES ON EARNERS OF $250,000 AND UP, EXT OF UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE, ADDRESSES OTHER OUTSTANDING ISSUES-SOURCE
So much for a deal, and so much for the invisible DJIA support at 13,000.
and AAPL from its Wednesday's VWAP to yesterday's VWAP... still trading? still think the professionals aren't dumping technically into every rip?
Or, as Al Pacino would summarize it...
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http://youtu.be/GXcLVDhS8fM
'Debt bomb'--humerous video
Stocks that were up on the day?
Cigarette makers and gun manufacturers, 2 things everyone will need where Obama is taking us....
Get 'em while you still can!
I think that Obama will have an even stronger negotiating hand once the cliff takes effect - he'll get all he wants and then some - while his opponents will get the lion's share of the blame for the cliff's sequestrations and then have to cravenly accept minimal rollbacks in tax rates that will make O's pre-cliff offers look generous in comparison.
its going to be poker right down to the wire...and beyond...
If the USA goes over the fiscal cliff it destabilises ALL of anglo banking AND JApan...its going to ripple bad...and hit UK and Japan as it does CHina exports.
And it will bring Oil prices down bigtime. All 2013 commodity plays melt down.
Nuke
Orbit
Sure
"Why does everyone hate me?" - Richard Nixon
Nixon? the current gangsters makes Nixon look like an amateur. I nominate myself for Treasury Secretary?
Anybody with me?
MSM just makes them look bigger so you won't question their authority. We won't know who got the ball until all the players peel off the stack, enjoy the game. I like the idea of congress dragged to DC against their will, when they were on one of their many lobbyists sponsored vacations. Work for it, cocksuckers. Show some enthusiasm, just bobbing your head up and down isn't going to cut it. Gargle, you whores.
Despots don't negotiate - they demand.
When will Chavez congratulate Obama? That will be the point to buy the "dip".
Hmmm, Chavez may not be too long on this mortal coil. Perhaps O-Phone can also Rule Venezuela!
Outsourcing Dictatorship, one Nation at a Time!
at this point Repubs should just walk away and use the debt ceiling as their leverage. make it clear to everyone, right now, that the debt ceiling will not be raised in March. but that they will be willing to sign off on anything Obama wants, under one condition - it balances the budget (now, not 40 years from now).
balancing the budget sounds like a completely reasonable request to the sheeple, and by giving advance notice you avoid any blame for last-minute soap operas. it puts all responsibility, both from a PR perspective and the actual solution, in Obama's lap. he'll own everything. his only out would be if he can sucessfully make the argument that balancing a budget is grossly irresponsible.
But, of course, Obama (and everyone else in Washington) explicitly or implicitly recognizes that the US federal government's budget can NOT possibly be balanced under the status-quo politico-financial regime. Attempting to do so would impose 'austerity' on every fedgov dependent, not just individuals but military and corporate as well, of a sort that would go so FAR beyond anything seen even in Greece so far, that it would necessarily if not automatically result in a literal revolution. Balancing the US fedgov budget would "blow up the system" overnight, and they all know it.
The federal budget will never be balanced without across the board 50% cuts in SS, Medicare/aid, and Defense.
And that is never. Gonna. Happen. Evar.
The rest of the budget (every other spend at the federal level combined, name it, everything) is a fraction of the above. You could cut the entire snarl -- just keep the above -- and make hardly a dent in the deficit.
Anyone thinks a balanced budget is ever gonna happen is a fruitcake.
To do that SS and Medicare would have to be chopped to bits. Republicans would never win another election....never.
Penance. Besides, if they can't stand firm on something, what good are they?
Given this country's demographics, it's debatable whether they'll ever win another election regardless of what they do.
Since everyone in congress (and all their close friends in the mortgage industry) can trade on inside info, they must have made a bundle on this little love explosion.
Mish has a chart of ES taking off on heavy volume around 13:30 yesterday, about 1/2 hour before any news hit the wire.
Congress must all have little buttons they push, once for up, two for down, to alert their brokers, hidden in their daytimers.
http://www.globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2012-1...
Boehner starts crying and caves in Sunday. MSNBC, CNN and the flaming socialist lay in with the endless attacks on conservatives.
Obstinate Obama, the Teleprompter Tyrant, the American Dictator of Debt!
.... and the Dean of Drones!
It would also appear we are going off the dairy cliff as well... I doubt this will affect food prices much since milk is hardly used in anything.{sarc}
Fail.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/12/thanks-to-congresss-...
Hurray for President Obama, stick to your guns.
The following five main policies, implemented by the financial elite over the past four years, are now impossible to extricate ourselves from, without causing a depression: 1) ongoing Zero Interest Rate Policy (ZIRP); 2) continued Quantitative Easing, thereby monetizing the debt; 3) Federal budget deficits running at -$1 trillion dollars a year; 4) allowing fraud to go unpunished, with no needed structural reforms in place; and 5) an increasing $700 trillion dollar market in unregulated OTC derivatives, daisy chained around the world..
Fiscal cliff discussions in the MSM, and also on the blogs, are designed by the financial elite, who own the MSM, to scare the public to rush, this year, into keeping these malignant policies in place.
Obviously, the financial elite see a way out, FOR THEM. To learn what that is, please read my Economic Populist article, published on December 17, 2012, entitled, “WORLD-MARKET-STATE vs. DEMOCRACY: Why We Should Go Over the Fiscal Cliff.”
http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/world-market-state-vs-democracy-why-we-should-go-over-fiscal-cliff
"Nothing", he offers? How appropriate.
You have to give him credit. Obama learned from his mistakes and saved it up. They fucked him, now he's fucking them right back. I'm not suckling crony teet, let the motherfuckers burn. Kick ass, take names, bag and tag.
Someone help me understand politics as I clearly don't get the logic. Under GWB all the wrong was due to the president and not congress. Now that O is in office all of the wrong is in congress, not the white house. How does this work exactly?
While they all pretend to play who's penis is larger and the MSM have a story to perpetuate through the weekend it's all a big game to them. We the people are the giant ball of yarn that get batted around by big political/economic machines for their entertainment. In the end we suffer and they come to some "agreement" that sticks it to the people and they laugh all the way to the bank and with the banker I might add.
You understand politics perfectly. There is no logic, and in the end what is best for TPTB always wins.
Well, you see, Bush was a complete moron who couldn't find his butt with both hands - but also an evil genius who could fool the Dems at will. Once you can believe both of those, everything else falls into place.
So let me get this straight. Obama calls his Vacation in Paradise short to return to Washington. Then calls a Meeting for today at 3PM. Republicans call everyone back from Vacation to open the Congress at 6 PM on Sunday. Just for Obama to say he has not changed his position 10 minutes before the meeting.
Gets Investors hopes up just to crush them.
Give Me A Break.
Investors aren't going to crush shit without crushing themselves at this point.
Quite elegant. Taxes go up for EVERYONE now, because folks in Congress couldn't find a way to agree to raise them on "rich folks" only.
Both sides can lay all the blame on the "other team," and no one ever has to come clean about the real cause of the dispute.
Increase in the National Debt:
Reagan +190%
Obama +54%
The truth, sometimes, she hurt.
Looks like you failed math and english.
Obama is closer to 140% in 4 years. I cannot be bothered to check the other claim.
Well Freddie, I see, like most Americans, percentages give you a lot of trouble.
http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-an...
Math is HARD!
6/2(1+2)=?
Answer it!
This is a FacePlant meme that has been going around lately. It is very disconcerting to observe some of the answers that sheeple(voters) come up with much less the arguments that ensue over the failure to properly understand mathematical nomenclature. I think I need to run for my local Bored of Edukashun so I can get in on the dole and help collapse this house of cards all the faster.
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Folks don't understand mathematical notation or order of operations (this isn't exactly nomenclature) because they never have to DO any math in their jobs or their day-to-day life.
We've "automated" our point-of-sale systems so effectively that monkeys can be trained to push the right buttons and give the right change, but if anything ever goes wrong with the system, business can no longer be transacted.
Despite being a true concrete example of an unforeseen consequence of "over-automation," that's ALSO an instructive metaphor for the vast majority of this "information economy" that really got rolling in the '90s.
Blunder, not only are you correct about the (barely) trained monkeys currently manning the cash registers of the USA, but it is even worse than that --- half of the time, they fail to manage to even punch in the correct amount of cash THAT I GIVE THEM, resulting in an incorrect calculated amount of change that I receive.
For example, with a total purchase of $41.77 rang up, I might give the cashier $47.02, to give me back an even $5.25 in change (to avoid receiving in change those hated cents which I would otherwise throw away). But they will almost invariably ring in $47.00 or $47.77 or $47.72 or some other incorrect number. I can only laugh at the thought of giving them that $47.02 and then having them make the correct change IN THEIR HEADS, as I used to have to do at the cash register back in the 1980s! (And which, incidentally, I do virtually instantly on a daily basis myself during the tourist season here in Alaska, with very rarely any problems or inaccuracy).
I appreciate how folks can't make change, but shouldn't you have given the cashier $42.02 and gotten $.25 back?
Let's say that I was trying to get rid of a bunch of $1 bills from my wallet at the same time.
;-)
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Did I catch a "niner" in there?
What is this terroristic threat? It's probably Iran and their nuclear secret formula. Should we do the "If you see something say something" rat?
6CO2 + 12H2O + light ? C6H12O6 + 6O2 + 6H2O and some sort of DV01
No way. I have to take off my shoes and socks to do fractions, carry ones and so forth, and it be cold.
Answer anyone? The answer is simple whether or not the problem is nomenclature or notation.
I gave you the answer already, but apparently you didn't understand it because I put it in odd notation. How many times could I have upvoted you?
Those numbers aren't correct. GTFO.
They look accurate to me. Which source for "total national debt" numbers do you prefer? It's not really something "the President" is totally responsible for, but if we accept that premise, the history is well-documented.
Reagan took the National Debt from about $1T to about $2.6T, GHWB took it to about $4T, Clinton went to about $5.5T, Dubya went from about $5.5T to about $11T...
If Obama's going to beat the last guy, he has to take it to about $22T minimum, or there's no "progress." I think he can do it.
BTW: you may note that the oft-mentioned "Clinton surplus" wasn't any kind of surplus.
Bullshit strawmen, on the other hand, cause no pain.
The numbers are way off, but you do realize that any debt increase under Reagan was the result of democrats not wanting to lower government spending right? So go ahead and blame Reagan, but realize it wasn't exactly what he wanted. Reagan of course wasn't perfect, but he did some things that helped along the way. Bush and Obama on the other hand have both been terrible.
About the debt increase, the percentage change isn't really that useful. You have to look at GDP (or something more useful) vs debt. When you compare debt/GDP ratios, Obama is without doubt one of the worst (if not the worst) presidents ever. Read: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/03/20/obamas-debt-more-than-bush/
However what makes your comment particularly stupid is the fact that you're still trying to defend either one of the two stupid/evil parties.
"Except for the bankruptcy fees - which I appreciate you paying yourself."
So, why did he come back from Hawaii? I thought it was to play "Deal or no Deal". Now he doesn't even want to play the game??
Go the fuck back to Hawaii and never come back you arrogant asshole.
I think Obama wants teh Cliff because it is the only way to cut the Defense budget. The T-Pubs wouldl give the Pentagon more $$$ no matter how broke we are.
Winter is coming so Burn, Baby, Burn!!!!
Let me be clear, so we make no mistake- ordinary folks - are going through the worst economy since the Great Depression. We need fiscal responsibility. I inherited this problem.
- just thought I'd steal a few sound bites Oblower's handlers are loading onto his TelePrompTer right now.
It's worse--significantly worse. Saying "the worst economy SINCE the Great Depression" implies that the Great Depression was more serious than this one, and it wasn't.
Not by a long shot.
800 B in new revenue? "I get that for free...you get nothing". We need to add that to Obama's great leadership moments in history
Once again the only one not at the negotiation table is Reason ..
.."every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under"- HLM.
I'm going to be sick
I hate these poltical articles. As if shoring up a countries fiscal responsiblitiies is a fucking cliff to begin with. Yeah, just label the the drop "Obama Falls". Fuck you.
Wife and husband spend $1000 per month but bring in $100. W&H decide to cut back. Is $500 enough? Is it a fucking cliff if they reduce their debt to 4x income? Fuck you and the fucking idiot who coined Fiscal Fucking Cliff.
i moved out of the market and into silver in 08!!!