Ron Paul On The Fiscal Cliff: "We Have Passed The Point Of No Return"

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In a little under three minutes, Ron Paul explains to a somewhat nonplussed CNBC anchor just how ridiculous the charade that is occurring in D.C. actually is. This succinct spin-free clip should be required viewing for each and every asset-manager, talking-head, propagandist, and mom-and-pop who are viewing the last-minute idiocy of the 'fiscal cliff' debacle with some hope that things will be different this time. "We have passed the point of no return where we can actually get our house back in order," Paul begins, adding that "they pretend they are fighting up there, but they really aren't. They are arguing over power, spin, who looks good, who looks bad; all trying to preserve the system where they can spend what they want, take care of their friends and print money when they need it." With social safety nets available to rich and poor, there is no impetus for change and "the country loses," but Paul concludes, the markets are starting to say "there is a limit to this."

 

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Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:33 | 3104938 bank guy in Brussels
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From a US dissident site -

Interviews said to be with an insider at the US Department of Homeland Security (DHS), saying that the US 'fiscal cliff' game, along with these 'mass shooting' incidents like in Connecticut, are all part of the US gov't preparing the US public for a managed US dollar and economic collapse and a new kind of domestic US dictatorship

The interviews say the plan is to let the system collapse, the EBT 'food stamp money' cards won't work and so on, have a few weeks of chaos and hunger and violence, till most hungry Americans beg for protection from their government

Then they will put in steps where the US government will control nearly everything, many dissidents taken off to camps, and most types of firearms and upper-capacity magazines get confiscated ... with a few less high-power, totally registered guns allowed to be kept by US citizens who don't violate the new rules or restrictions on life

Unsettling stuff, if true ... site is Douglas J Hagmann's 'Northeast Intelligence Network' ... here are the DHS 'insider' interviews in text, two parts

DHS Insider Part 1
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7305

DHS Insider Part 2
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7310

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:35 | 3104943 tsx500
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<<<< Ron Paul cares more about the future of USA than BHO does

<<<< BHO cares more about USA's future than RP does

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:42 | 3104955 TruthInSunshine
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 Kabuki Theater of The Worst Kind, Bitchez Tue, 12/11/2012 - 12:40 | 

 

 

"Let me state this clearly, yet again, as many here and elsewhere have as well:  This is all theater. The fiscal cliff is a non-issue. Both "different" parties will agree on something, if they haven't done so already, that manages to screw over the largest % of actually productive businesses and people in the U.S., soon."

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:46 | 3104977 HoofHearted
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I just said to my wife that any "fiscal cliff" lack of deal should mean that the Welfare Queens (both corporate and individual) should see 25% less graft starting 1 January. I'd love to see riots when the foodstamps aren't all there or when the bankster bonuses aren't what they imagined. We need people to finally understand what is happening and get serious about the political farce that is the U.S.

Chance of this happening: Zero.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:52 | 3104996 MillionDollarBonus_
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As we approach the end of this much anticipated calendar year, it is important to remember the avalanche of never-to-be-realized 2012 conspiracy theories that were touted by fringe bloggers, libertarians, preppers and other conspiracy hacks. NONE of the 2012 conspiracy theories came true. On the contrary, this was a year of spectacular stock returns, record low interest rates, a collapsing VIX and stagnant/falling precious metals prices. The global recovery has officially begun. The green shoots are everywhere: we have a strong housing recovery, gasoline prices are highly favourable for American consumers, and retail investors are poised to take advantage of the next leg up in the international stock and bond markets. I’m sorry, but libertarians and conspiracy theorists need to apoligize NOW if they want to retain what little credibility they had to start with.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:00 | 3105025 koncaswatch
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LOL

Merry Christmas and Happy New year MDB; I look forward to your commentary in 2013.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:06 | 3105044 Shocker
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Like Ron Paul or Not, he definitely speaks the truth. We have been on a downward slide and really there is no real solutions. If we go over this 'Cliff' or not, it doesn't matter. Taxes are still going up and we have big changes coming in 2013.

http://www.dailyjobcuts.com

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Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:50 | 3105162 ZerOhead
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Like Ron Paul? Heck no... we love Ron Paul.

Most honest and forthright politician on the Hill bar none. He deserved much better treatment and coverage than he was given. It's was America's loss and sadly like Paul says, it would have been too late anyway...

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:37 | 3105284 DaveyJones
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yes, calling him a "politician" doesn't do it justice. Shame it's just nostalgia

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:04 | 3105333 derek_vineyard
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MDB----- every ponzi looks/feels great on the way up.....never under-estimate a ponzi over staying its lack of underpinnings; that kool-aid is addictive

 

ponzi debt is THE problem...i challenge you, MDB, to address/justify the debt topic here on ZH  (can't wait to hear his response!)

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:07 | 3105551 clymer
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MDB, your expertly phrased sarcasm and masterful timing ..completes me. Thanks for being you.

 

(although, you slipped slightly by implying that we libertarians had some semblance of credibility to begin with..)

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:12 | 3105566 fourchan
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ron paul should run for president.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 21:52 | 3105755 logicalman
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He wasn't allowed to by those he scared the most

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 22:20 | 3105797 Michaelwiseguy
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I've changed the label "Conspiracy Theorist" to "CSI Hobbyist". They're everywhere.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 23:12 | 3105897 CPL
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It used to be called due diligence.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 00:07 | 3105974 Liberty2012
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And hopefully iy will be again -

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 08:19 | 3106187 GetZeeGold
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DD is a lost art. Everyone talks about it....but no one atually does it anymore. Why should we? We've got printers to help us over the rough spots.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 10:47 | 3106312 TwoShortPlanks
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Meanwhile, the mother of all Tsunamis is rumbling down the street.

FUCKING, CLICK!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:13 | 3106367 fuu
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Ron Paul bitches.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 00:47 | 3106023 logically possible
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Dr. Paul should be President.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:09 | 3106318 TwoShortPlanks
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No, at this time what America needs is Mandrake the fucking Magician.

Everybody better come to terms with the simple fact that nothing will save America, n-o-t-h-i-n-g. The whole of Asian (Inc Indo, Aust & NZ), Europe, Africa, South America and the Middle East have all turned their back on that fucking shoe polished white banker in the White House...he's FUBAR'd.

Rest assured, the world will be trading a new currency (basket?!) within 2 years.

And we are all on borrowed time. The powers that be are very busy, even so kind as to point out where things are going, and why: http://www.clubofrome.org/?p=326

In a decade this place will be very, very different.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 21:08 | 3105685 bulldung
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Agreed. Ron Paul is a statesman,not a politician. I am grateful for his service to our country.Need more cowbell...er, statesmen.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 00:11 | 3105981 mayhem_korner
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I'm grateful for his commentary.  He doesn't actually do much in terms of service to his country apart from his calling out others, because he is an impotent minority within the Congress.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 09:56 | 3106253 TeMpTeK
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"He doesnt actually do much"?.... He only just energized an entire generation of youth ... The Republican "Coup d'etat" is currently being engineered by this generation... Onward!

 

Mon, 12/31/2012 - 00:06 | 3108173 mayhem_korner
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I knew I would get a boatload of down-arrows from the dyed-in-the-wool Paul fans.  In terms of his role as a member of Congress, however, I would ask you to list the good legislation which has been passed that he has championed, as well as the bad legislation that he has defeated.  Voting for things that fail and against things that pass don't count, even if he is in the right.  My point is that he is a good guy and a good voice for the way things ought to be, but as far as effecting things via his position as a Congressman, he hasn't been effective.  That's the plain truth, like it or not.  I would even argue that Congress is about the worst place he can reside because he has no coalition within the Congress through which to effect change there.

Mon, 12/31/2012 - 05:34 | 3108373 shesalive
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impotent minorities are all i want in a congress

Mon, 12/31/2012 - 05:35 | 3108374 shesalive
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impotent minorities are all i want in a congress

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:13 | 3105350 New England Patriot
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When I think about Ron Paul, I picture God and Satan having a chess match.

God says, "You can have every Senator and Representative to spread untruth and attempt to convince the people of your lies. But I get to keep one, and he gets to tell the truth, and he has to be allowed to speak."

Satan says, "Deal."

And that's how we got Ron Paul. 

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:55 | 3105434 LateToTheTable
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Had Dr. Paul made it to his inaguaration I wonder what he would have managed as POTUS.  The only saving grace would have to include ditching the entire Congress / SCOTUS and starting over.  The current se-lected nit-wits would continue to make trouble, stumble, stall.  End the Fed is a most aspiring theme, but could it actually be done? along with abolishing / re-tooling every alphabet group.

As a fellow Texan I had a few shining moments of hope then realized that I actually care for Dr. Paul's well-being... I didn't like the odds he would have faced.  TPTB are an evil I don't like to ponder on for very long, it makes me drink extra rum beverages.  I believe Dr. Paul is trying to leave a legacy for a younger generation to put the pieces back together... and the ones I've spent time listening to aren't nearly as dumb as I thought... the good doctor knows the roll of dice have been cast. 

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:12 | 3105556 clymer
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MEP, that was funny

Yeah, RP has ideals and philosophy that is founding father material. His oratory skills not withstanding; and which should be irrelevant to any thinking human being.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 22:25 | 3105808 Pure Evil
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It wouldn't have mattered who won the Republican nomination. The fix was in. Ron Paul was purposely ostrasized to demoralize Ron Paul/Tea Party voters and keep them from heading to the ballot box. This was needed to make it easier to "stuff the ballot box" as they say for The Great Satan now residing in the White House. The Democrats knew they didn't have the votes, and the Republicans being the opposite wing of evil personified bowed down to their elite banker masters and allowed Dear Leader to win re-election.

How many millions of Ron Paul/Tea Party voters stayed home and didn't vote because of what happened at the Republican Convention. Mitt Romney was no more than a McCain or Bob Dole when it came to running a Presidential campaign. Somebody from the Republican party has to run or the whole thing collapses into its own caricature.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:13 | 3105568 willwork4food
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As much as I loathe the Congress & Senate, there were a few bright apples that Satan didn't get.

Senator Wellstone (MN)-assassinated by Dick Cheney and the PNAC

Cynthia McKinney-representative from GA

Dennis Kucinich (OH)-voted against Israel endorsments and pro Bush/Cheney Impeachments as well as voting against the Iraq war.

There are others, but not many.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:37 | 3105613 skipjack
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Wellstone ???  McKinney ???  Next, you'll be promoting Babs Boxer as akin to an Einstein.  *facepalm*

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 21:10 | 3105683 willwork4food
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.....?

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 21:10 | 3105689 willwork4food
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Please, do tell what was wrong with them dude.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 22:19 | 3105796 perchprism
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You stupid cocksucker.  Get to work.  Here's a ding-dong.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 22:34 | 3105828 willwork4food
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Very articulate. You must be Jewish, no?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 00:53 | 3106026 perchprism
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Here's a hotdog, you stupid cocksucker.  Get to work.  Work for your food...ah, that's it.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 08:47 | 3106197 GetZeeGold
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You must be Jewish, no?

 

I'm not of the tribe of Judah......but my grandma has a little Benjamite in her.

 

Do you have a problem with that?

 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 10:20 | 3106277 GMadScientist
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Yes, for fuck's sake...rescue the little guy!

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 22:38 | 3105832 Pure Evil
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They're all slime worms. There's nothing redeming about any of them.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 23:56 | 3105959 Ineverslice
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Wellstone was wacked...and he was not slime. Look into it people.
Sun, 12/30/2012 - 08:52 | 3106198 GetZeeGold
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If you bring up Wellstone...you instantly have to think of John Gotti.

 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 10:25 | 3106281 GMadScientist
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Remember: these folks think Russ Feingold was a satanic charlatan.

Anything short of revolution is considered sympathizing in their book.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 00:37 | 3106010 Element
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"... Most honest and forthright politician on the Hill bar none. ..."

 

yep, he had all the wrong mix of qualities, no way he was ever getting the Offal Orifice.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 10:26 | 3106283 DYS
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Ron Paul is all talk.  Millions of people put their time, money and passion behind his campaign, which died without so much as a wimper.   Knowing what was right, he ultimately played politics rather than standing up against the system.   With a guy that had littleto lose politically, he played awfully soft.   Maybe I am naive to the game, but Ron Paul was a big disappointment to me and many others who have been behind him for years.   Yes, he should have gone independant and been a more vocal speaker against the current political paradigm.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:01 | 3105029 Husk-Erzulie
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Dude, are you photogenic?  Charismatic at all?  'Cause you should run for office.  You are POTUS material baby.

... MDB!  MDB!  MDB!

Can't you just see the balloons?  Smell the confetti?  Can I be your spin-meister?  And have your baby too?

LOL

:-)

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:51 | 3105164 Room 101
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I second that!  MDB for President! 

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:18 | 3105365 bilejones
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Room 101

"  MDB for President!"

 

Or at least First Lady.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:33 | 3105603 depression
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MDB is God

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