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Ron Paul On The Fiscal Cliff: "We Have Passed The Point Of No Return"

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In a little under three minutes, Ron Paul explains to a somewhat nonplussed CNBC anchor just how ridiculous the charade that is occurring in D.C. actually is. This succinct spin-free clip should be required viewing for each and every asset-manager, talking-head, propagandist, and mom-and-pop who are viewing the last-minute idiocy of the 'fiscal cliff' debacle with some hope that things will be different this time. "We have passed the point of no return where we can actually get our house back in order," Paul begins, adding that "they pretend they are fighting up there, but they really aren't. They are arguing over power, spin, who looks good, who looks bad; all trying to preserve the system where they can spend what they want, take care of their friends and print money when they need it." With social safety nets available to rich and poor, there is no impetus for change and "the country loses," but Paul concludes, the markets are starting to say "there is a limit to this."


Forward to 5:45 for the Ron Paul interview (ignore everything else)


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Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:26 | 3105385's picture

Bleeding Kansas?

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:08 | 3105339 seek
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This split won't be south and north -- likely it will be northeastern states that lean far left as one group, and flyover country as one or more moderate groups. California will have to choose to be part of the northeastern states or go it alone. I'm guessing Texas will go independent; if it weren't for New Mexico, I could see a band of western states from Idaho down through Utah and Arizona aligning with Texas for some sort of western US coalition, but NM is pretty left-leaning and blocks a contiguous connection.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 00:25 | 3105995 Shell Game
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Agreed.  But I believe NM will capitulate and embrace their [civil] libertarian Id and join this group. 

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:33 | 3105279 The Heart
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Holy macaroni!

Big hooya-to-ya here mate!

Tried to resist signing in and sharing on some commentary, but then saw this outstanding Light on this very well put possible coming future scenario for america. Could not hold back. You have to be commended here sir.

Yes, very close to accurate, in that as most know their god IS money. When it is gone, and the supply stops, there is no fuel for the murderers or psychotic killers for hire. This plan has been seen many years ago. It ties into the well planed and executed elimination of all American forces over a ten year time to make sure there would be no armies to stop any of this from happening. No one to protect Americans except themselves.

Surly as these death squads go about the country without pay from a fallen govt, some will continue on for the sheer pleasure of plundering and pillaging, but they will quickly fall to those of the light brigades and the true rule of law when the giant finally wakes and cleanses this land first, and then later in concert with others around the world in purging this planet of the wicked god money. It will be dead and banksterisms evil horrid profiteering for the few will cease. Using the Iceland template will be easy.

This well spoken truth is another part of the first comment on this story and the story from the Gestapo about what is going down. it gets pretty amazing as we see more and more distraction false flag events take place. They happen to further the globalist agendas of totalitarianism and world dominance for money. Will it come soon?

Pray then, that good people in the highest houses see plain as day the atrocity of this downward insane train heading off the cliff and all the ridiculous agendas that are steering this empire to dominate the world for the false god money.


Sat, 12/29/2012 - 23:09 | 3105886 GFKjunior
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I'm new to NYC but I don't know if I plan to stay here during the collapse. Not sure if there is opportunity. Can I end up with a few city blocks of prime real estate if I play it smart? 

Also thinking of heading Northwest. Portland is a nice place for anarchists and I think the small business, organic-centric lifestyle, where everyone is growing vegetables added in with little government intrusion into daily lives will hold up well during the collapse.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 10:47 | 3106315 GMadScientist
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It hasn't been prime RE since the Indians got swindled out of won't be making 7 figures there anymore so it'll feel a lot more like Crooklyn with a quickness.

Consider the possiblity that people in Portland have been Californicated for decades and you may not be welcome once things get scarce.

You don't "move in" to build them.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:41 | 3107011 The Heart
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If you got seeds in the ground by the time of the 2013 Ides of March you will have it made...maybe.

Of course you know the west coast is getting pounded with radiation now right?

Once the chinga hits the rotating device, you will not be going anywhere more than likely. You will be forced to shelter in place and have to deal with the mobs of hungry people they call zombies.

Best advice: get out now and always follow your Heart.


Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:26 | 3105386 Freddie
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I have been thinking since 2008 that it will implode just like the USSR.  Our kids dumped in Afghanistan for no reason is just another example.  Old people like USSR pensioners being wiped out.   Any baby boomer, senior or even young person who voted for Hope & Change deserves the shit that is going to come down.

Ron Paul was the last chance.  

I wonder how our troops stuck in foreign lands will be able to get home.  Texas and Kansas plus other red states are looking very good right now.

I think China goes for the left coast plus Hawaii. O goes to hawaii - mission accomplished. Russia grabs Alaska. The US Navy will have no money to run it's ships.

Mexico moves on So Cal and New Mexico. I hope they grab plenty of Hollywood Hills, santa Monica and Beverly mansions.

It may be a lot uglier than the collapse of the USSR.  Putin sucks but at least he is a Russia.  Who knows who our dear mullah is.  

Texas has tanks and the heart land aka flyover country has more Air Force bases - assuming they have fuel or weapons.  The Air Force pilots, fortunately, are not subhumans like most ***** voters.   The drones will be an issue but enough former and current military know where those drone bases are and who pilots those drones.


Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:40 | 3105411 Chaos_Theory
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A good percentage of those 1.6 million .40 cal HPs that DHS stockpiled will be expended on the military (remember, with exceptions like MPs, the military is not armed day-to-day at U.S. bases...sitting ducks).

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:45 | 3105417 Hobbleknee
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Or they could just release a biological weapon and waste half the planet.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 00:39 | 3106013 Oldrepublic
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I was In Moscow in 1991 after the breakup of the Soviet Union. Very little food to be found. I actually had to fight to get a loaf of bread! currency completely destroyed. very cheap for holders of US dollars.

I was also in Buenos Aires, Argentina back in 2002 for a couple of months. The middle class was wiped out. Street crime  very high. Express kidnappings every day.

Could be very ugly in US after a reset!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 10:50 | 3106322 GMadScientist
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I wonder about things like whether Gresham's will make Canuck dollars (and other pretty currencies) good to have on hand (in addition to the precious).

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:43 | 3105144 lasvegaspersona
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Bank Guy

the Rosebud fellow looses me after the first few minutes. He says 'there will be a collapse of the dollar', it 'won't buy a gumball'...ok that can happen. He then goes on to describe all kinds of horror, none of which is original btw...but he fails to state how the all powerful Obama machine, now unable to fund chewing gum, will mount an army of stooges to come after guns and disidents. If I know stooges then one thing I know is that if they are getting shot at they will want to be paid....they like to chew gum too you know...and live.

So I'm questioning the whole story. Yes there may be plans to subdue the nation, they will have to be carried out while the dollar is still good.Once the dollar is gone what is the basis for governmental power?...that we love them so much? No. They rule now because they have the ability to spend almost without restraint. Once that goes away I believe they will too.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:51 | 3105306 Husk-Erzulie
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It's actually easier than you think.  Allow dollar to hyper inflate.  Let shit hit fan.  Declare emergency and issue "new" dollar (the red ink one remember).  All digital accounts take a 100/1 haircut.  ATMs issue "new" dollars.  All critical support personal paid in cash in "new" dollars which in this environment will buy anything.  The well connected have various mechanisms to side step the haircut of course.  Crackdown and arrests in play.  Never underestimate the power of a pay envelope when every one else is desperate.  No way opposition gets their shit together.

That's the plan... of course no plan survives first contact etc... Anything can and probably will go wrong.  Gonna be interesting.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 04:21 | 3106121 AE911Truth
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This is exactly why the criminal government controlers do not want the OathKeepers and Patriots holding Precious Metals. Who controls the money controls the outcome. The controller's money is worthless paper. The OathKeeper and Patriot can use Precious Metals.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:58 | 3107058 The Heart
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Thank you E-E.

Sometimes the truth is just too hard to handle by most, but it must be told.

What is sad is here you are expressing a very viable possible future scenario and most people will never see it, or ignore it, or be in a small percentage that will take heed and prepare for it. It will be hard to guard when all forces will be aligned at each other in the unorganized and mixed up babalonia called america during the crash. That divide and conquer energy so well expounded on after all these years has worked well. What's a block party?

May God guard us from the force of unrestricted is a terrible insane monster when it meets it's sister Hunger.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:04 | 3105199 blunderdog
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After having read the interview with the DHS insider, I'm afraid it's all vague enough to have been "delivered" by any ZH regular.  We'll know very soon, of course, but who knows when...

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 23:38 | 3105935 Cathartes Aura
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"And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

Genesis 12:3

complete with a "waving Israeli flag"  along the left margin halfway down told me all I need to know about the info "offered" and who it serves.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:24 | 3105260 Miramanee
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Such Doomer B.S. Hilarious.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 10:51 | 3106324 GMadScientist
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"No one in my gated community saw this coming!" - Chip or Thad

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:25 | 3105262 disabledvet
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I find it interesting that so many poo poo "conspriracy theories." I find myself drawn to them because they give reasons for actions that...were we to follow the Party line...would be truly horrifying actually. (I mean do we really want to believe these "things" are committed by "just some person"? Scary.) Anywho i think the time is ripe for a Third Party...any open revolt in the Republican Party right now would I think find a FLOOD of support from the totality of disenfranchised Americans. To me that is the importance of Ron Paul...not as an economist but as a "politist"...testing the waters for something we all as Americans know we agree with. First is "ditch Israel." They created this crisis purely to profit from it. If the Republican Party can't start there then i know i for one will be looking for another Party. And no, that would not be the Democratic Party which is even WORSE. Second start launching broad attacks on how our information is being used by the "Zuckerberg Types." Not so much by him personally but certainly by the likes of CNBC, Bloomberg, et al. that are nothing more than patrons of Treason in its highest form. everyone a Coward in America now? I mean you can't tell me there aren't people who have been showing strength in its highest form 12 years running now. Who are these people? I want to know THOSE people...not "Mr. Phuck Your Buddy."

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 23:06 | 3105884 quadcap
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Sorry, but the democratic approach fails -- for it to succeed as you imagine, a majority would have to get their heads of of their asses and figure out how the world really works.   That rabbit hole is just way to deep for the masses, who have been subjected to nonstop disinformation and brainwashing for far too long.   There's no way out.   A lot of people are going to die because we're approaching the singularity.   And there's nowhere to hide, either, where you can be sure that you won't be nuked/biologicaled, unless you have access to the right underground bunkers.

This isn't to say you shouldn't prepare.   But keep in mind what you're up against, and be realistic about what you can accomplish.   In the end, nothing really matters, because we're all dead anyway, to paraphrase the dominant meme here.  Still:  Live your life with joy, love your loves, and use reason to guide your decisions.   Because to be human means that it really does matter after all.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 01:34 | 3106060 Liberty2012
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Thank you quadcap :). Life is to be lived!

We the People create the world we live in with every choice we make.

Share reality. Truth is always good, even when it looks and feels very bad.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:17 | 3105283 The Heart
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When the Light is a New Dawn.


Thank you for your proper Light here. It is true and all we ALL can do is be in the fullness of every moment expressing the highest vibrations of love and light into the matrix that we every day at a time. All things are Karmic in Nature. There is NO escape from certain Laws of the Universe engraved in the foundational Stones of this World, and they are quite a lot more real in ALL worlds than those that are inscribed on paper by man. The matrix is still being formed, there are mighty forces at work, the outcomes we have no real real sight of yet. All every Soul on board can DO is to be active, be aware, and consider your eternal life by being in karmic credit, and not karmic debt.


Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:51 | 3105308 Freddie
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Doug Hagmann nailed it on what really happened at Bengazi.  It is on Canadian Free Press and probably his site as well.

Keep watching TV and Hollywood's shit folks because your viewership and cable bill support this totalitarian police state.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:25 | 3105590 The Swedish Chef
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He nailed it? 


Standing proudly with Israel and blaming Iran for a sunni attack on an American diplomat based on a anonymous (as always) source? Doesn´t that make your spidey sense tingle the tiniest bit? A tad bit of critical thinking goes a long way.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 23:40 | 3105939 Cathartes Aura
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hey Freddie, shockjock shouty radio is an equivalent distortion to TV/Hollywood, just sayin'

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:48 | 3105420 ball-and-chain
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Dr.  Paul is correct.  There is no cliff.

But I don't see inflation.

I see Japanese-style deflation.

But that's me.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:35 | 3105496 The Swedish Chef
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Dude... A quick language and content analysis will tell you that what you have posted is pure fiction but thanks for sharing.


I´m not saying it is impossible but a high level DHS agent channeling Alex Jones on a tin foil web site? Switch your common sense back on, please.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:50 | 3105521 icanhasbailout
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Some of us learned a long time ago that 'Northeast Intelligence Network' was full of shit in a big big way.


Others apparently will learn that lesson sometime in the future.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:33 | 3105605 WarPony
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Coming from 'bank guy in brussel sprouts,' I'm thinking this is unadulterated 'fear porn.' ... ah, the agenda.  JUNKED

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 22:48 | 3105856 Mr. Magoo
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Interesting, but very old news. only the Borg drones are unaware that the globalists are deliberately imploding the economy, as for the other 1% that's what we are preparing for

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 00:40 | 3106016 Econolingus
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Oh, please.  While I always enjoy reading the paranoid meanderings of the conspiracy crowd, this is too over the top to be even borderline.  If the NSA/TSA/DHS syndicate is able to do any part of the planning and surveillience he claims, they sure as shit would be able to figure out who he is and shut him down--unless they want him spouting off, in which case there is really nothing to worry about, because they are selling a lie that is wholly apart from the disaster scenario outlined in this "interview."  But I like the way the whole thing presumes eminent competence, complicity and secrecy on the part of not only technocrats and career appointees, but also elected officials. 

Top 3 guesses for who this "source" really is:

1.  NRA agitator, planting seeds to motivate the base

2.  Gun trade-group marketing director, pushing sales with delusional "gun seizure" rhetoric

3.  B-movie Hollywood Screenwriter with too much time on his hands since "X Files" was cancelled.

LOL funny; can't wait for another dose of this fiction!


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 02:31 | 3106085 Dr. Sandi
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...till most hungry Americans beg for protection from their government

I'm not hugry yet, but I AM begging for protection from their government.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:09 | 3106356 TWSceptic
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I've read it, it's all conspiracy talk, nothing real there.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:45 | 3107177 MarcusLCrassus
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This is hilarous.  You actually believe this? 


Yeah, the government is going to come to your house and take your guns from you in the next few weeks. Hahaha, that is a good one. 


That tin foil hat of yours is on a little too tight. 

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:36 | 3104940 tsx500
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Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:37 | 3104950 koncaswatch
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Dr. Paul, still trying to educate the masses. You go Dr. Paul!

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:38 | 3104954 Atlantis Consigliore
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Where the Frauds Are;.......the new national anthem for the FED and the Parliament of Whores....


Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:42 | 3104963 Venerability
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That was a very key interview for one major reason: It was the first time in a long time that Dr. Paul came across as utterly loony, rather than quasi-mainstream as per usual.

The entire Tea Party movement is about to be relegated to the oddity bin, as the GOP finally exhibits the cojones in 2013 to tell the world the difference between Conservative and Libertarian.

A Conservative party can also be a Big Tent party - as the GOP desperately needs to be. A Libertarian party cannot be.

Koch Bots are welcome to give this post 99 thumbs down. The Koch Bots, too, are about to lose their lustre in a very dramatic way.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:44 | 3104972 Uncle Remus
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You typed that with a straight faced didn't you.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:47 | 3104980 HoofHearted
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MDB has new competition.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:04 | 3105039 fonzannoon
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Venerability does much better on seeking alpha where she is sorrounded by likeminded shitheads.

Get back over there and pimp your mining stocks you dumb piece of shit.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:51 | 3105404 akak
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Is this Veneriality the third ZH sockpuppet of Max Fischer, or the fourth?  I am starting to lose count.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:00 | 3105028 DollarMenu
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Pay no attention to the cross-dresser.

 Wouldn't know a Koch-bot from it's own ass.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:29 | 3105390 Ghordius
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than explain what a Koch-bot is

my limited and foreign understanding is that they care only about less taxes, period

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:44 | 3104973 TruthInSunshine
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Big Tent = Compromises Necessarily So Large & Frequent They Relegate Your "Party" To Standing For Nothing

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:45 | 3105418 Ghordius
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That is a RESULT of any alectoral system based on FRTP instead of proportional representation. One party in the lead, the other reacting to the first

Add the GOP gerrymandering that guarantees seats in the present in expense of those in the future and the direct election of the senate instead of the Founding Father's system and you get...

...foreseeble results. Eventually

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:53 | 3105001 knukles
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Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:57 | 3105017 J 457
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Vene, that one up vote you placed for yourself doesn't count. 

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:03 | 3105036 Drachma
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Why does anyone still waste time arguing over political party stripes? It's meaningless. Give it a rest Mr. R. Herring.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:13 | 3105053 yogibear
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Quick ,if you hurry you'll catch your mainstrean (liberal)  Rachel Maddow on MSNBC discussing her lesbian lover.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:20 | 3105073 Assetman
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Neocons shut out the conservtive Libertarians in this year's Republican convention.  Remind me... how did that all turn out come election time?

Please don't confuse the Tea Party with conservative Libertarians... the former has been co-opted by old neocon farts and overwhelmed it on (wasteful) hot button social issues, while the latter is composed of mainly young people with a strong grassroots orientation who actually favor less spending and greater economic freedoms.  Again, the Republican Party in an absolute manner rejected the younger group in favor of a listless group that would have likely voted Republican anyway.

The only other way the Republican Party can throw up a bigger tent is to provide guarantees to spend a whole lot more money to keep those added masses happy.  But then again, this is what the Party has implicitly endorsed over the past decade.

If that's the poison you want, that's the poison you'll get.


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 17:25 | 3107229 The Heart
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One witnesses every day here that same old Cesarean Divide and conquer energy used so well all throughout history. Back and forth as programmed and condition to do. first. I must have more than the Jones’s next door and so on and on. It is the same old carp. Have you ever heard of, or seen everyday examples of the Hegelian Dialectic?

As long as America remains divided thinking they are different than their neighbors, fellow Americans, then there really is no hope to save the country that soon falls from grace. People forgot that division is a disease that man created to control each other. The viral killing disease of division has taken it's toll on everything. The Law of One is long forgotten.

What effects one, effects all, and ALL effects everything. Our bodies are made up of the four basic elements of this physical world and it all goes in and out the same way. What's the difference? Our Spirits, or what we really are, are like small Bic lighter flames in a bag of water keeping it at a well maintained 98.6 Degrees. Some miracle eh! Now to the point. Holding the two unique individual lit flames, one in each hand, put the two together and tell us, what's the difference? We are ALL One Flame(Light) and subject to the unchanging unwavering Laws of this World. You will reap what you sow, so please plant the seeds of Love and good Light always.

What we had 50 years ago when it came to family is long gone now. Ever wonder why? Remember one of the greatest of division tools was to divide the family. This is more satanic in nature than just the implementation of everything babylon can do to divide up the American Family. We have lost the traditions of family in this country. If it is ever found again, it will be the sure way home.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:30 | 3105091 hound dog vigilante
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"The entire Tea Party movement is about to be relegated to the oddity bin, as the GOP finally exhibits the cojones in 2013 to tell the world the difference between Conservative and Libertarian."

You have NO idea what you are saying here.

The TP is growing. The GOP is shrinking.  If anything will be relegated to the oddity bin, it will be the RINO pro-empire big govt. GOP.

The country is trending libertarian, not progressive and not (social/neo-con) conservative.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:21 | 3105373 Venerability
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Clearly you are using the same (made-up-out-of-thin-air) statistics wrangling you did when you predicted a "landslide victory" for Ryan and Whatshisface.

The GOP - my party - is going to be wrenched, however painfully, out of the hands of nasty, silly little boys like you and into the hands of Big Tent, Inclusive, Party of Yes people like me.

(Let's hope the Markets follow suit!)

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Sat, 12/29/2012 - 22:54 | 3105861 tickhound
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So you kick off the NEW ALL-INCLUSIVE party by excluding people?  What's so new about that?

You must really miss Bush.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 00:18 | 3105988 Blano
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So in other words, act like Democrats.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 00:45 | 3106021 Shell Game
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"A Conservative party can also be a Big Tent party - as the GOP desperately needs to be."

But earlier, 

"It was the first time in a long time that Dr. Paul came across as utterly loony."


Yes, so very 'Big Tent' of you.   Fuck off.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 17:09 | 3107255 akak
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Veneriality stated:

The GOP - my party - is going to be wrenched, however painfully, out of the hands of nasty, silly little boys like you and into the hands of Big Tent, Inclusive, Party of Yes people like me.

Yes we Can! (Build a Police State!)

Change (in constitutionally-guaranteed rights) We Can Believe In!

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:42 | 3105142 Venerability
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Any Internet security people tuning in:

The revenge of the KochBots for my posting that is their knocking out my Linked In Address Book while I am in the middle of sending out holiday cards.

This kind of purely malicious Malware spreads fast, so the little psychopath sickies will soon knock out Linked In completely - or at least major parts of it - the same way they have greatly harmed most social media sites whenever they feel threatened by the truth.

Sooner or later - hopefully sooner now that everybody who isn't them despises them - Internet and police authorities are going to have to crack down hard on this sort of "politically motivated" Malware attack.

Decades of this childish, banal, just plain stupid, but nevertheless harmful bleep has to be stopped once and for all.

Everyone who knows me and has followed my Battle Against the Bots knows whever I post something like this about a DOS attack, it is 100 percent accurate.

Do something FAST, White Hat Techies.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:23 | 3105256 Bollixed
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Now you're just boring...

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:19 | 3105578 icanhasbailout
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I think that's a conspiracy-generator contextbot

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 22:47 | 3105853 beachdude
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You're so, vulnerable...

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 23:31 | 3105923 A Nanny Moose
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Perhaps you should have changed your L/I password a few months back, when L/I made the request, after account data was stolen.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:22 | 3105247 Hohum
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Can't say I bothered to listen to the interview. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong.  However, most of the posters here are libertarian while at the same time very disdainful of most of their fellow humans.  So, the libertarianism that will work for them is more money in their pockets to build their hideaways.  If they think Paulism will lead to kumbaya, they have some internal conflicts to resolve.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:42 | 3105281 WhiteNight123129
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You do not get it, Libertarians are not disdainful of their fellow humans, they just abbhor the idea that politicians are working for the greater good of the "community". One idea for you. Hong-Kong. HKD is Non fiat currency (bid ask system with naturally driven interest rates, similar to XIX century BoE bid Gold and mint ask Gold, the outflow raises rate and the inflow depresses rates back and forth), low taxes. The gov has too much money? Sends a check to each resident. No broad democracy? What for? But a system that works with civil liberties high and people left alone. A nightmare for your average western politician, no one gives a shit about politics as long as taxes are low, daily affairs are dealt with and courts fight corruption. Little gov intervention in the economy, people are on their own... free... 

Bring the fucking XIX century back please!!!! The XXth century is taking ages to die, its excess its extravagance, its fiat paper is so much XVIII century France. (That is where I come from initially, hence the Assignats picture). Leave the people alone.

The idea of broad democracy and large governments and a group of people stirring the others in the "right" direction is by definition incompatible with freedom. So forget your political agenda here, the idea is to depoliticized society and make the and politicians shrink and reduce the Government to one chief auditor and 20 accountants. The White House should have just enough money to mow the lawn and paint the walls, and the president is a decorative feature. They could also make visits half of the day and sell touristic gifts and souvenirs (like a picture with the president) in the White House to further lower hte tax burden on people.




Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:17 | 3105357 Hohum
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Your desire to bring back the 19th Century indicates to me that you don't hold a high opinion of most of your fellow humans, either.  Even if goverment consisting of 21 employees fulfills your sense of justice, I get the idea you basically don't give a shit.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:35 | 3105401's picture

"Individuality is fine as long as we all do it together." -- Frank Burns

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:14 | 3105459 TWSceptic
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Collectivism is an immoral and failed ideology. You seem to be very confused about what libertarianism is about though, I suggest you do some more reading.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:17 | 3105469 akak
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Collectivism was never an honest or intelligent philosophy, merely a set of convenient and self-serving lies giving excuse for sociopaths to prey on the rest of society as they previously had under the name of religion, "protection", "the divine right of kings", etc.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:12 | 3106361 GMadScientist
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I'm not Libertarian, but I feel they hold their fellow citizens to a much higher standard, not lower (often without regards to the consequences of an incorrect assessment of their fellow citizens' readiness).

Not everyone is disaffected...some are merely passionately off-course. ;)

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:51 | 3105426 Ghordius
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"One idea for you. Hong-Kong. HKD is Non fiat currency..."

Are you joking? The HKD is a member of the DollarZone

It's backed by... USDs

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:08 | 3106348 GMadScientist
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How do they run healthcare in Hong Kong? ;)


Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:55 | 3105314 Freddie
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Wow lady - some of your stuff over on Seeking Alpha was okay but you sound like a total arse now. 

Tea Party?  They are just average people who want the ****ing police and tax state off their back.  The left and TV/Hollywood scum hate them because they are average people who marched on Washington with about 2 million people.  Hopefully they will do it again and those two million will go to the Senate to find their "elected (by fraud and vote theft)" representatives.

You sound like an idiot who watches TV and Hollywood's shit - especially CNBC and Bloomberg. 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:15 | 3106371 GMadScientist
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This would be the state that's been reducing tax rates for 32 years running?

I bet the people of Iraq and Af-Pak know more about "police state" than you...when was the last time you rednecks had a shotgun wedding peppered by drone missile fire?

But your "tawk ray-dee-o spakes thah trooooth". Someday you'll see you got co-opted and decide if you want to get the Koch brothers hand out of your ass or not. Maybe.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:56 | 3105531 The Swedish Chef
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I pitched in with Down Arrow No. 93. 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 02:33 | 3106086 Dr. Sandi
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After I dissed the comment, I had to do my own comment just to prove that there are also loose looney humans who come to the site and get all pissy.

Thumbs down. If it's satire, it needs work. If it's heartfelt, it needs some heart.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:43 | 3104967 q99x2
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DC fluffers. Drug addicts that want another fix.

Ron Paul seems to have learned a little too much from Washington

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:43 | 3104968 algol_dog
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Is it just me, or is Melissa Lee looking more and more like Lilly Munster ...

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:51 | 3104992 Rainman
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fake eyelashes give me the creeps too

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:55 | 3105008 knukles
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God, I love it, it is so sexy, when she has a short sleeved dress on and raises her arms, lets the cafeteria lady biceps hang...
That and 3" false eyelashes.... 

Anime quality....

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:18 | 3105069 Husk-Erzulie
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Amelia Bordeaux?!  Too hilarious, where's Ron Burgundy when you need him ;-P

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:32 | 3105103 Rogue Trooper
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Only 'so-so' in Hello Kitty Land... the true masters of Anime, Vocaliod J-Pop...Perfume!

Soon to be engaged by BofJ to peddle those Bonds!

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:23 | 3105252 Clowns on Acid
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triceps knuks....hehe

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:18 | 3105068 yogibear
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Was that her sister in the background? Looked like her much younger twin. Either that or CNBC is cloning it's staff. Oh my! A clone of Cramer. It's like a Frankenstein. One Cramer is enough.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:53 | 3105172 algol_dog
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The CNBC Munster's ...


Lilly = Melissa Lee

Grampa = Cramer

Eddie = Andrew Ross Sorkin

Marilyn = Becky Quick

Herman ?


Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:12 | 3105224 Banksters
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Joe Kernan?

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:15 | 3105233 Pharming
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Steve Liesman that prick.


Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:10 | 3105342 akak
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Given that LIESman has taken up permanent residence in Bernanke's ass, I nominate him for the Honorary Fed Polyp Award.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 00:17 | 3105987 e_goldstein
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Seems appropriate that the staff of CNBC is starting to resemble workers in a rub and tug operation.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:47 | 3104983 BlueStreet
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That totally ridiculous question by Amelia makes Ron's point exactly.  The populous is too stupid to even know the boat is sinking even though the water is up to their knees. 

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:57 | 3105016 Jayda1850
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"That's a clown question bro."

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:15 | 3105061 BlueStreet
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Exactly Harry. 

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:41 | 3105136 dynomutt
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Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:51 | 3104985 knukles
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A casual acquaintance of mine just exited 30 years of politics.  He was an adviser type, etc.  Says the same thing.  Exactly. 

All Kabuki. 

He also notes that Problems are Not To Be Solved but Drawn Out or Created Anew, Else the Politician Loose his Raison d'etre, the Game and Gravy Train Would End.

As Robert Mitchum was reputed to have said to a young and nervous Kurt Russell at an Academy Awards ceremony: "Relax, kid.  It's all just bullshit anyway."


Sure glad that Leadership by Constitutional Scholars recognizes that all spending and tax legislation must originate in the House as opposed to the Senate....


Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:49 | 3104987 ZDRuX
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LOL, did they just say that people should be in GOLD regardless of what news comes out on Monday?!.. wow

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:54 | 3105004 Atomizer
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"We Have Passed The Point Of No Return" | No, we have passed the point of positive return!

Nail biting policy makers & diaper changing central planners will be exposed for the fraud it has created! Mark my words...

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:44 | 3105624 Sabibaby
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I was going to say shot or hung but what are you suggesting they be exposed to, lead?


Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:55 | 3105010 blindman
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production is the trees and debt is the forest, growth to accommodate debt
requirements is still the problem.
Jesse Ventura Takes on Government Mind Control
By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor
"Ventura takes on what we have all suspected for so many years, the government’s use of advanced technologies, very real mind control.
" g.d.
key words: t.i. (targeted individual), Psychotronic Weapons and Bio-Communications Technologies.
i'm long tin foil
Seals: Killers of Osama Dying or Being Killed?
Posted by Raja Mujtaba on Dec 28, 2012 in War On Terror

US Navy Seal Commander, Who Killed Osama Bin Laden, Commits ‘Apparent Suicide’ In Afghanistan
- UNBELIEVABLE: ‘More Than 20 Navy SEALS From The Unit That Killed Osama Bin Laden’ Die In Helicopter Crash

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:19 | 3105067 Uber Vandal
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The band Suicidal Tendencies covered this a LONG time ago.

Subliminal, from their 1983 self titled album:

Flashing pictures on my screen
Shown too quickly to be seen
Does not register in my conscious mind
Propaganda of another kind
They're Fucking with me subliminaily
They're Fucking with me subliminally

Danger - Nightmare
Doomsday - Nightmare
Murder - Nightmare
Nightmare, Nightmare

Watching T.V. I start to cry
For no reason I don't know why
Could it be from messages on my TV
Which I'm getting subliminally?

Mind control the easiest way
Sponsered by the C.I.A.
It's a weapon you cannot see
It's propaganda subliminally

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:01 | 3105192 blindman
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The Zeph Report
Mind Stalking ~ Robert Duncan ~ John Hall ~ Zeph Daniel

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:00 | 3105325 Freddie
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TV and Hollywood (plus print media) are total full on brainwashing and propaganda and always have been.  If you watch their sh*t then you support it.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:47 | 3105516 Tango in the Blight
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And what if you watch Bollywood?


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:34 | 3106841 Urban Roman
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Then you are getting Bopaganda.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:17 | 3106376 GMadScientist
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But the fact that every station I listen to is owned by ClearChannel should not be construed as a captured media device designed to inscribe policy on diminished TeaParty frontal lobes coast to coast. Not at all.

"Turn it up, man!"

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:40 | 3105408's picture




I am gross and perverted
I'm obsessed 'n deranged
I have existed for years
But very little has changed
I'm the tool of the Government
And industry too
For I am destined to rule
And regulate you

I may be vile and pernicious
But you can't look away
I make you think I'm delicious
With the stuff that I say
I'm the best you can get
Have you guessed me yet?
I'm the slime oozin' out
From your TV set

You will obey me while I lead you
And eat the garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we don't need you
Don't go for help . . . no one will heed you

Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold

That's right, folks . . .
Don't touch that dial

Well, I am the slime from your video
Oozin' along on your livin' room floor

I am the slime from your video
Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go

I am the slime from your video
Oozin' along on your livin' room floor

I am the slime from your video
Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:20 | 3105474 blindman
Sun, 12/30/2012 - 02:34 | 3106087 Spastica Rex
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Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:18 | 3106378 GMadScientist
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One of America's better social critics and an equal-opportunity hater.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 17:11 | 3107260 The Heart
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Thank you for some Frank Z.!

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 15:57 | 3105018 Robot Traders Mom
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Lulz @ the anchor surprised the EUR/USD positioning is neutral...She obviously thinks there is a 'best horse' in the glue factory...

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:55 | 3105433 Ghordius
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They are still racing, both
No broken legs to see, yet

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:08 | 3105050 l1b3rty
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Ron is definitely in the

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:11 | 3105056 ebworthen
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The sheer mathematics of the debt tell you we have passed the point of no return.

Clueless gutless rapaciously greedy politicians are not capapble of ever addressing the equation.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:26 | 3105081 yogibear
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For them the math is ugly so they don't use it.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:22 | 3106384 GMadScientist
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I'd phrase it a little differently:

The longer we wait to address this the more likely we will need something more expressive than tetration to define the ugliness of the consequences to come.


Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:17 | 3105065 TrustWho
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The truth is too depressing in this happy-nanny state we have created. You have "old generation" Ron Paul" maker deeply serious fundamental allegations and "young generation"  Amelia ask some money-focused tactical question about tomorrow. Ron Paul is to substance as Amelia is to fluff.

And this IS just sad. Maybe the young generation deserves what they are going to get.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:24 | 3105079 spinone
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Ron Paul is wrong, there is no limit to this.  They have a printing press, and can print $100 for no cost that buys a barrel of oil.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:31 | 3105100 Vooter
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What happens when the people selling the oil say, "We don't want your garbage dollars"?

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:05 | 3105547 Terminus C
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They get to conduct all sorts of radiology experiments in the smoking holes that used to be their cities...

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:21 | 3105580 The Swedish Chef
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As long as the paper can be converted to gold at a rate of 20 bbl/tr oz everything is fine. Either oil goes up or gold goes down, as long as the ratio is under 20 bbl/tr oz. 

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:56 | 3105653 zerozulu
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Same thing that happened to Saddam and Qaddafi.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 23:44 | 3105950 mkkby
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The Saudis are always just one step away from the groups that want to overthrow them  If they ever stopped accepting USD, they'd be gone faster than Q-daffy, Sadaam, Mubak and soon Assad.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 01:06 | 3106034 Oldrepublic
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read the latest by Jim Willis, lives in Costa Rica, a very smart man!


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:06 | 3106598 hawk nation
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thanks for this link

My opinion is that  the politicians in washington want martial law and are trying to start a fight with the citizens. Why else give raises to federal workers 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:07 | 3106600 hawk nation
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thanks for this link

My opinion is that  the politicians in washington want martial law and are trying to start a fight with the citizens. Why else give raises to federal workers 

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:31 | 3105096 Downtoolong
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Such drama. Such performances. Too bad it’s all they’ve got. I think Congress should just show up in Times Square at 11:59 on New Years eve and drop the budget from the fiscal cliff onto the debt ceiling instead of the big ball. I’m sure Becky Quick from CNBC will be glad to cover the event.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:34 | 3105112 tooriskytoinvest
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Financial Chaos Coming 2013? The Biggest Banks Are Risking An Endless Cycle Of Bankruptcy While U.S. Is Heading Over The Fiscal Cliff, An Economic Triple Threat — Tax Hikes, Spending Cuts, And, Soon Thereafter, The Debt Limit

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:39 | 3105127 JR
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The International Bankers have used their control of America's finance to become lords of everything, using their ill-gotten and now inestimable wealth to subjugate the American and European peoples economically, morally, and politically.  Taking full hold of America’s currency in 1913 they now hold in their grip all America's commerce and industry, including all her markets and her governance.

Because of this ascendancy in finance, they were able to extend "their domination of…culture to newspapers and education” - a media that “confuses, screens, deceives and frightens off whoever doesn’t bow” to their whims.

All of America and Europe has been corrupted and plundered.

As Horace Greely put it, "While boasting of our noble deeds, we are careful to conceal the ugly fact that by an iniquitous currency system we have nationalized a system of oppression which, though more refined, is not less cruel than the old system of chattel slavery."

What Thomas Jefferson warned would happend has happened: The American people have allowed the banks to control issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, and the banks and corporations that have grown up around them are depriving the people of all property until, shortly, their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied.

America has reached her fiscal cliff.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:24 | 3105259 Husk-Erzulie
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Wow is right.  She is so fired.  Being screened at corporate right now.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:29 | 3105270 The Swedish Chef
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Da fuq did I just see?!? Guess unemployment just went up by at least one person in Spokane this week...

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:34 | 3105280 imbrbing
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Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:20 | 3105369 The Heart
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This lady speaks her Truth to power.

We are seeing more and more of this coming forth now as the lower minions realize, they do not have tickets to the underground bunkers, rather they all have tickets to the welfare lines instead. The horrendous diabolical plans of the money god banksters they have been promoting and supporting is also meant to kill them and their little girls off too. They, as well as many other laumbaug talking head types in the system of evil are jumping ship as fast as possible now. We can expect to see any day soon a false flag event to take the attention away from the crashing failing economy. People are waking up in exponential amounts because they have all been trained to respond to the god money. When it is no longer there, they react to get that fix they have been nursed with all their life. Zombies!!

There is time to save the ship IF, everyone pulls together, does not fall for the divide and conquer methodology, and supports their local community planning efforts to prepare for what is coming soon. Remember these saving words:

United We Stand...

Divided we fall...

Family and Community will Save us ALL!

May the God of Love always guide you every one...listen to your Heart!


Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:44 | 3105508 blindman
Sat, 12/29/2012 - 23:43 | 3105947 Rusty Shorts
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Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:59 | 3105443 Deacon Frost
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The reporters did a great job, but we can add President William McKinley to the list, who was assassinated by a ‘banker anarchist’ in September 1901.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 06:54 | 3106162 mvsjcl
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Let's not forget Andy Jackson, who escaped two gut shots when the pistols misfired.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 21:25 | 3105468 Colonel
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Here try this link to the KHQ Spokane interview. There's no (dot) Farcebook in the URL ;-)

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:19 | 3105473 Hulk
Hulk's picture

Off with their heads !!!

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:32 | 3105492 Buckaroo Banzai
Buckaroo Banzai's picture

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

TV station serves Spokane and Northern Idaho, the heart of the American Redoubt. So from that standpoint it's less surprising.

But still. WOW.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:44 | 3105627 brak
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Sadly she doesn't get nearly enough airtime, the regular anchors are typical affiliate slags.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 02:35 | 3106089 Spastica Rex
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The "Inland Empire."


Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:34 | 3105495 Optimusprime
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Thanks for this.  That girl is so appealing.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 23:45 | 3105951 Cathartes Aura
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what about the boy she was interviewing?

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 21:40 | 3105734 Loose Caboose
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She can be reached at - what if we all took the time to send her a note of support and gratitude for putting her reputation and livelihood on the line to get some truth out to the masses?  Seeing something like this gives me a least a little whiff of hope.  Inspiring.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 07:02 | 3106163 mvsjcl
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Just did. Thanks for the address.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:53 | 3105170 The Swedish Chef
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Did everyone get the Dial-A-Prepper ad in the beginning? 

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!