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Ron Paul On The Fiscal Cliff: "We Have Passed The Point Of No Return"

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In a little under three minutes, Ron Paul explains to a somewhat nonplussed CNBC anchor just how ridiculous the charade that is occurring in D.C. actually is. This succinct spin-free clip should be required viewing for each and every asset-manager, talking-head, propagandist, and mom-and-pop who are viewing the last-minute idiocy of the 'fiscal cliff' debacle with some hope that things will be different this time. "We have passed the point of no return where we can actually get our house back in order," Paul begins, adding that "they pretend they are fighting up there, but they really aren't. They are arguing over power, spin, who looks good, who looks bad; all trying to preserve the system where they can spend what they want, take care of their friends and print money when they need it." With social safety nets available to rich and poor, there is no impetus for change and "the country loses," but Paul concludes, the markets are starting to say "there is a limit to this."


Forward to 5:45 for the Ron Paul interview (ignore everything else)


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Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:53 | 3105171 orkneylad
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I expected things to go 'tits up' in 1998, debt was racking up in the UK like crazy & the math said it couldn't  last........but back then but we wouldn't have believed just how bad the debt-plague was to get & the corpse still living!!

Zombie times . . .

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 16:56 | 3105181 pcrs
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I think Americans have so much longer to go, before they hit full taxation/slavery. In Europe we are about at 80% of your life going to the elites if you add all the taxes up. Americans are still way lower than that. The frog is being boiled and the temperature will be slowly rising. It will only end at boiling temperature and that is 100 degrees or 100% taxation.

This is nothing.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:07 | 3105205 IridiumRebel
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Tick Tock Tick Tock......

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:08 | 3105212 Hannibal
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I offer these brief remarks today as a prayer for our country, with love of democracy, as a celebration of our country. With love for our country. With hope for our country. With a belief that the light of freedom cannot be extinguished as long as it is inside of us. With a belief that freedom rings resoundingly in a democracy each time we speak freely. With the understanding that freedom stirs the human heart and fear stills it. With the belief that a free people cannot walk in fear and faith at the same time.
With the understanding that there is a deeper truth expressed in the unity of the United States. That implicit in the union of our country is the union of all people. That all people are essentially one. That the world is interconnected not only on the material level of economics, trade, communication, and transportation, but innerconnected through human consciousness, through the human heart, through the heart of the world, through the simply expressed impulse and yearning to be and to breathe free.

I offer this prayer for America.
Let us pray that our nation will remember that the unfolding of the promise of democracy in our nation paralleled the striving for civil rights. That is why we must challenge the rationale of the Patriot Act. We must ask why should America put aside guarantees of constitutional justice?
How can we justify in effect canceling the First Amendment and the right of free speech, the right to peaceably assemble?
How can we justify in effect canceling the Fourth Amendment, probable cause, the prohibitions against unreasonable search and seizure?
How can we justify in effect canceling the Fifth Amendment, nullifying due process, and allowing for indefinite incarceration without a trial?
How can we justify in effect canceling the Sixth Amendment, the right to prompt and public trial?
How can we justify in effect canceling the Eighth Amendment which protects against cruel and unusual punishment?
We cannot justify widespread wiretaps and internet surveillance without judicial supervision, let alone with it.
We cannot justify secret searches without a warrant.
We cannot justify giving the Attorney General the ability to designate domestic terror groups.
We cannot justify giving the FBI total access to any type of data which may exist in any system anywhere such as medical records and financial records.
We cannot justify giving the CIA the ability to target people in this country for intelligence surveillance.
We cannot justify a government which takes from the people our right to privacy and then assumes for its own operations a right to total secrecy.
The Attorney General recently covered up a statue of Lady Justice showing her bosom as if to underscore there is no danger of justice exposing herself at this time, before this administration.
Let us pray that our nation’s leaders will not be overcome with fear. Because today there is great fear in our great Capitol. And this must be understood before we can ask about the shortcomings of Congress in the current environment.
The great fear began when we had to evacuate the Capitol on September 11.
It continued when we had to leave the Capitol again when a bomb scare occurred as members were pressing the CIA during a secret briefing.
It continued when we abandoned Washington when anthrax, possibly from a government lab, arrived in the mail.
It continued when the Attorney General declared a nationwide terror alert and then the Administration brought the destructive Patriot Bill to the floor of the House.
It continued in the release of the bin Laden tapes at the same time the President was announcing the withdrawal from the ABM treaty.
It remains present in the cordoning off of the Capitol.
It is present in the camouflaged armed national guardsmen who greet members of Congress each day we enter the Capitol campus.
It is present in the labyrinth of concrete barriers through which we must pass each time we go to vote.
The trappings of a state of siege trap us in a state of fear, ill-equipped to deal with the Patriot Games, the Mind Games, the War Games of an unelected President and his unelected Vice President.
Let us pray that our country will stop this war. “To promote the common defense” is one of the formational principles of America.
Our Congress gave the President the ability to respond to the tragedy of September 11. We licensed a response to those who helped bring the terror of September 11th. But we the people and our elected representatives must reserve the right to measure the response, to proportion the response, to challenge the response, and to correct the response.
Because we did not authorize the invasion of Iraq.
We did not authorize the invasion of Iran.
We did not authorize the invasion of North Korea.
We did not authorize the bombing of civilians in Afghanistan.
We did not authorize permanent detainees in Guantanamo Bay.
We did not authorize the withdrawal from the Geneva Convention.
We did not authorize military tribunals suspending due process and habeas corpus.
We did not authorize assassination squads.
We did not authorize the resurrection of COINTELPRO.
We did not authorize the repeal of the Bill of Rights.
We did not authorize the revocation of the Constitution.
We did not authorize national identity cards.
We did not authorize the eye of Big Brother to peer from cameras throughout our cities.
We did not authorize an eye for an eye.
Nor did we ask that the blood of innocent people, who perished on September 11, be avenged with the blood of innocent villagers in Afghanistan.
We did not authorize the administration to wage war anytime, anywhere,anyhow it pleases.
We did not authorize war without end.
We did not authorize a permanent war economy.
Yet we are upon the threshold of a permanent war economy. The President has requested a $45.6 billion increase in military spending. All defense-related programs will cost close to $400 billion.
Consider that the Department of Defense has never passed an independent audit.
Consider that the Inspector General has notified Congress that the Pentagon cannot properly account for $1.2 trillion in transactions.
Consider that in recent years the Dept. of Defense could not match $22 billion worth of expenditures to the items it purchased, wrote off, as lost, billions of dollars worth of in-transit inventory and stored nearly $30 billion worth of spare parts it did not need.
Yet the defense budget grows with more money for weapons systems to fight a cold war which ended, weapon systems in search of new enemies to create new wars. This has nothing to do with fighting terror.
This has everything to do with fueling a military industrial machine with the treasure of our nation, risking the future of our nation, risking democracy itself with the militarization of thought which follows the militarization of the budget.
Let us pray for our children. Our children deserve a world without end. Not a war without end. Our children deserve a world free of the terror of hunger, free of the terror of poor health care, free of the terror of homelessness, free of the terror of ignorance, free of the terror of hopelessness, free of the terror of policies which are committed to a world view which is not appropriate for the survival of a free people, not appropriate for the survival of democratic values, not appropriate for the survival of our nation, and not appropriate for the survival of the world.
Let us pray that we have the courage and the will as a people and as a nation to shore ourselves up, to reclaim from the ruins of September 11th our democratic traditions.
Let us declare our love for democracy. Let us declare our intent for peace.
Let us work to make nonviolence an organizing principle in our own society.
Let us recommit ourselves to the slow and painstaking work of statecraft, which sees peace, not war as being inevitable.
Let us work for a world where someday war becomes archaic.
That is the vision which the proposal to create a Department of Peace envisions. Forty-three members of Congress are now cosponsoring the legislation.
Let us work for a world where nuclear disarmament is an imperative. That is why we must begin by insisting on the commitments of the ABM treaty. That is why we must be steadfast for nonproliferation.
Let us work for a world where America can lead the day in banning weapons of mass destruction not only from our land and sea and sky but from outer space itself. That is the vision of HR 3616: A universe free of fear. Where we can look up at God’s creation in the stars and imagine infinite wisdom, infinite peace, infinite possibilities, not infinite war, because we are taught that the kingdom will come on earth as it is in heaven.
Let us pray that we have the courage to replace the images of death which haunt us, the layers of images of September 11th, faded into images of patriotism, spliced into images of military mobilization, jump-cut into images of our secular celebrations of the World Series, New Year’s Eve, the Superbowl, the Olympics, the strobic flashes which touch our deepest fears, let us replace those images with the work of human relations, reaching out to people, helping our own citizens here at home, lifting the plight of the poor everywhere.
That is the America which has the ability to rally the support of the world.
That is the America which stands not in pursuit of an axis of evil, but which is itself at the axis of hope and faith and peace and freedom. America, America. God shed grace on thee. Crown thy good, America.
Not with weapons of mass destruction. Not with invocations of an axis of evil. Not through breaking international treaties. Not through establishing America as king of a unipolar world. Crown thy good America. America, America. Let us pray for our country. Let us love our country. Let us defend our country not only from the threats without but from the threats within.
Crown thy good, America. Crown thy good with brotherhood, and sisterhood. And crown thy good with compassion and restraint and forbearance and a commitment to peace, to democracy, to economic justice here at home and throughout the world.
Crown thy good, America. Crown thy good America. Crown thy good.
Thank you.
Dennis J. Kucinich feb 17, 2002

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:29 | 3105272 knukles
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And I used to think this guy was a crank.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:21 | 3105477 Cathartes Aura
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he's painted "crank" by the same media that names Paul a "crank" - when in fact, they share many common beliefs, sans the religiousity that needs Constitutional Amendments for zygote personhood.

Kucinich tends towards philosophical beliefs over god-father figures, but both politicians work similarly.

(as always, I don't vote, ever - just take notes, always)

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:42 | 3105507 Buckaroo Banzai
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Rep. James Traficant was similarly afflicted with the ability to see the truth. He spent 7 years in federal hoosegow for his trouble. Similarly regarded as loony at the time, but now we know he was right on the ball.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:00 | 3105323 disabledvet
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Sang "kumbayah" with DK supporters back in 2004. A right good time actually. Great Democratic field of them being DK himself. I simply don't recognize the current Democratic Party. I never thought I'd see something scarier than Nixon...but there it is...trampling not just on Lady Liberty but in my view the very idea of Government Service itself. I have seen no "Great Patriotic Pictures" outside of George W. Bush's landing on the Aircraft Carrier. That's the only "memory" of our military response to 9/11 that i recall. And of course the history guy in me remembers the brouhaha over the "Why We Fight" movies produced by Hollywood relative to World War II. And as time goes "buy" i no longer see a rat in the form of the meglomaniacal modern media cocknobbers but have simply devolved "it" into a simple fact of life: anything you hold dear in life is to be taken by Mayor Bloomberg and his cronies. That Jew has destroyed the very idea of human dignity...indeed made destroying it a "mass production." How ironic. "A whole new conceptual approach to genocide." I'm sure it went over well with the Board. Love to see where "legal" signed off on it. What's next? "Israel! The made for T.V. Event of the Year!"? There is a point where every American gets a badge you know. It ain't like the war...YOUR going anywhere.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 00:15 | 3105984 bilejones
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And you, you mindless fuck, are incapable of differentiating between the State and the people.


And just who do you think you refer to when you say "We"

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 02:55 | 3106099 Dr. Sandi
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When I say We, I'm generally referring to myself and my family. Any other We is fairly irrelevant.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:10 | 3105217 cherry picker
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A little piece of green paper with words, drawings and simbols.  On its own it is worth almost nothing, except for what we think it is "worth" and as long as others agree with our thinking, we can trade it for goods and services.


It is like religion and faith isn't it?   That is all money is.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:14 | 3105232 Banksters
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The American govt is a crime syndicate.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 22:23 | 3105803 lakecity55
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...under the control of the British Crime Syndicate.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 00:47 | 3106022 e_goldstein
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Really strange that so few get this.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 01:08 | 3106036 Rusty Shorts
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MOB - Merchantmen of Britain

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 02:18 | 3106080 lakecity55
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Descendants of the British East India Company

(from whence comes our flag).

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 01:15 | 3106042 tip e. canoe
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...headquartered in the City of London.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 22:26 | 3105813 bunnyswanson
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Either that or they are being held against their will, with promises of great fortune at the end of their "rainbow."  Assasins are at large.

Witnessed Event: John F. Kennedy Assassination

Lee Bowers Jr. was a key witness to the assassination of John F. Kennedy. At the moment of the shooting he was operating the Union Terminal Company’s two-story interlocking tower, which was overlooking the parking lot just north of the grassy knoll and west of the Texas School Book Depository. Bowers had an unobstructed view of the stockade fence atop the knoll. He gave a detailed account of the assassination saying he had witnessed two unfamiliar men standing near the grassy knoll at the edge of the parking lot, within 10 or 15 feet of each other, “one man was middle-aged, fairly heavy-set, in a white shirt and dark trousers. The other was a younger man, about mid-twenties, in either a plaid shirt or a plaid coat or jacket.”

Lee Bowers also described a strange truck that was parked in the location of the assassination seven to ten minutes before Kennedy arrived. When the shots rang out, Bowers’ attention was drawn to the grassy knoll where he had witnessed the two men. He observed “some commotion” at that spot, “…something out of the ordinary, a sort of milling around…which attracted my eye for some reason, which I could not identify.” In an interview that Lee Bowers gave with attorney Mark Lane, he explained that the “commotion” that caught his eye may have been “a flash of light or smoke.”

Lee Bowers testified that immediately following the assassination a motorcycle policeman left the presidential motorcade and roared up the grassy knoll straight to where the two mysterious gentlemen were standing behind the fence. The policeman dismounted, but then climbed on his motorcycle and drove off. On the morning of August 9, 1966, Lee Bowers was driving south from Dallas on business. He was two miles from Midlothian when his brand new company car veered from the road and hit a bridge abutment. Bowers was killed in the accident. There was no autopsy performed and he was cremated soon afterward. A doctor from Midlothian, who rode in the ambulance with Bowers, noticed something peculiar about the victim. “He was in a strange state of shock. I’ve never seen anything like it.”

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 02:58 | 3106101 Dr. Sandi
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I wonder if there's something going on.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 04:05 | 3106119 bunnyswanson
Sun, 12/30/2012 - 04:32 | 3106123 bunnyswanson
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You can read the full details here.

Meanwhile, here's a taster of Clayton Swisher's amusing response on the al-Jazeera blog:

It's not clear what miracles Holocaust survivor and Nobel
laureate Elie Wiesel can work for General Petraeus now that he's the
top officer in Kabul.
Based on these emails Petraeus apparently authored, subsequently
leaked to blogger Philip Weiss, it seems the former Central Commander
thought a private dinner with Weisel and a Holocaust Museum stint might
boost his pro-Israel bona fides ("some of my best friends are Jewish!").

I guess the good general is keener on becoming the next US president,
and not upsetting the Israel lobby in the meantime, than some had

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:18 | 3105237 agent default
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At this point tax evasion  and avoidance goes under self defense.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:20 | 3105243 cherry picker
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I agree

A whole lot of what they spend tax dollars on was never approved by myself and some of their expenditures are contrary to what I believe to be moral, so why should I contribute to another's immorality?

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:27 | 3105265 Money 4 Nothing
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50% of our tax reciepts we gift to overseas Nations. Our Govt. figured our they make more in security and wars than the total tax reciepts collected annually here in the states. The tax payers of America have now become the obsolete.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:29 | 3105271 agent default
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Explain FATCA and the "exit tax" when you throw them your US citizenship to their face then.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:09 | 3106481 PrintemDano
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Going Ann Barnhardt ....Gets good about 6 min mark......

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:20 | 3105241 I am Jobe
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No deal, I am off Golfing and a vacation- Odumba

Stick a fork in the pig . Point of bend over Amerika. No more pretending,

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:24 | 3105261 Money 4 Nothing
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You suspend taxes when your trying to foster a financial recovery. Not add increase them.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:48 | 3105422 Hohum
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And conventional wisdom says don't cut spending, either.  So what?  Raising taxes and cutting spending would be an implicit recognition that growth isn't infinite.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:53 | 3105430 akak
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You should realize by now that "conventional wisdom" in a society as completely controlled and brainwashed as ours is a complete oxymoron.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:11 | 3105561 DeadFinks
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Still expecting that government multiplier?

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:25 | 3105264 blindman
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Astor, Guggenheim and Strauss drowned, no life
boat for them?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 00:08 | 3105977 bunnyswanson
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JFK and George HW Bush connection. (over 1 hour)

JFK2 - The sequel to Oliver Stone's JFK, you won't see in the cinema. A thoroughly documented criminal indictment establishing beyond a reasonable doubt the guilt of George HW Bush as a supervisor in the conspiracy to assassinate John Kennedy. The evidence relies primarily on governement documents and public records. The center piece of the evidence is a memo entitled "Assassination of President John F. Kennedy", signed by J Edgar Hoover, head of the FBI, 5 days after the assassination, which names Bush as a supervisor of CIA-trained assassins. Another FBI memo establishes Bush's presence in the Dallas area at the time of the assassination. These memos are corroborated extensively with details from Bush's own official history of his life (also known as JFK 2 Part 1).

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 07:52 | 3106173 tip e. canoe
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wonder if Jack is haunting Poppy's morphine coma dreams right now...

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:05 | 3106278 blindman
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shameless, horrible, professional liars, the corporate
media and all they support, the blind leading the blind.
i hate when i get bitter about these things.
great link exposing the big lie of 1963, jfk assassination,
nearly the entire government in on the fraudulent investigation.
" We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.-- William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:38 | 3105289 Goldenballs
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One of the few decent,honest,trustworthy men in Government anywhere,God Bless You Ron Paul.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:47 | 3105299 NaiLib
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Well you blew it! Ron Paul was your chance. But you all fell for the usual Democrat/Republican Crap!

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:00 | 3105326 samsara
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Yes, You might say that America just had it's Secular "Give Us Barabbas" moment.

We had a chance/choice and .... "We Chose Poorly"

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 00:02 | 3105966 mkkby
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I wrote him in and didn't vote for a single red or blue asshole.  Never will again.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:00 | 3106891 Urban Roman
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I didn't blow it. Did you notice how, in the primary caucuses/conventions, the delegates representing Paul were elbowed aside and ignored?

And in both national conventions, resolutions were passed on voice votes supporting Israel ... while audio recordings shoed that the 'nays' clearly carried the vote. Romney was installed as the Republican candidate.

I'm not so sure Paul didn't actually win the vote.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:53 | 3105311 Wanton1
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Empire Lost


"When compelled to make war to support war on the soil of his subjects and not on that of his enemies ..............  "

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:56 | 3105316 StoleYourMoney
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Sell the deal, save your Benjamins.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 17:56 | 3105318 egoist
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Depressing. At least you hear [a] guy that recognizes reality. Unfortunately, he's a gonner. Depressing.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:02 | 3105328 JR
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Mohandas Gandhi’s anti-gun comment has been removed from Facebook.

The agony that accompanies each new year in America is the arrival of more and more loss of freedoms.  Police state?  It can’t happen here, the head-in-the-sand people say.

In China, praised by traders as more like America every day, the government has a new law allowing it to remove any Internet items deemed “illegal.” And servers are punished if the items are not reported.

Facebook and Google may not be the same as the U.S. government yet, but their political philosophy and growing influence is certainly anti-freedom. When their operations are deemed “cooperative with authorities,” and this is far from being unrealistic, the police state arrives.

Case in point: The Facebook account of was removed when it used a quote from Gandhi for what Facebook called “violation of community guidelines.”

The quotation: “Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.

Learn more:

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:11 | 3105344 THE DORK OF CORK
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Clearly - he does not understand game theory.


Europe is the continent which just keeps on giving.


2 MBD less then 2006.........


Europe is becoming the New anti Saudi Arabia.



Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:15 | 3105354 Never One Roach
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Inflating the Balloon: Brazil injected R$400 billion in its public banks in the last 5 years Posted on December 10, 2012 · 13 Comments

Brazil’s national treasury has injected R$ 390.1 billion in the three banks controlled by the federal government (BNDES, Banco do Brasil, and Caixa Economica Federal) between late 2006 and October this year. During the period, the three banks’ market share of total loans rose from 36.8% to 46.6%. The boom is a result of the [...]

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:48 | 3105518 smacker
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Yep. And guess what: Brazil's been going thru a home price and new car boom for the last 8-9 years.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:21 | 3105368 cherry picker
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They put the handcuffs of fear on our wrists and hobbled our legs with chains of restriction.

We are no longer free men, to come and go as we please as the authorities can stop and search us at will.  They record every word we say and store anything we may write for future analysis and judgement, which will be in our digital history forever.

We cannot keep the money we earn as they need their "cut" first, just like the mob which used fear tactics to keep their protection rackets alive.

Does this sound like what the founders envisioned?  Does this sound like the place people lost their lives in WW2 to protect?

Methinks not.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 21:10 | 3105692 Dineroguru
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Go to the front of the have obviously been paying attention..

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:22 | 3105375 Kreditanstalt
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Cute anchorette!  However, they obviously don't have to be blonde to be...

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:08 | 3105456 shovelhead
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I'd love to listen in on the phonecall from NY to the NBC affiliate in Spokane...

"Get that fuckin' producer on the phone this instant!"

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:29 | 3105389 blindman
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John Trudell - Mining our Minds For The Machine!/2012/09/john-trudell-mining-our-minds-for.html
John Trudell by moonros21

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:33 | 3105395 The Miser
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MDB is cherry picking issues.  Continued deficit spending is never good. 

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:43 | 3105415 QQQBall
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That one asian chick looks like a fish; the other little chubby chubby asian talks like a 5-yo

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:53 | 3105431 blindman
Sat, 12/29/2012 - 18:56 | 3105436 debtor of last ...
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315 million people, 500 million fire arms, brag about "bulk ammo" and now afraid of gubmint, Russians etc? You didn't survive Vietnam nor Afghanistan. Now it's your fucking turn whiners. Don't worry!

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:08 | 3105454 CitizenPete
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I want to be civil and not be rude so I'll just say - fuck them all. 

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:17 | 3105470 Atomizer
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Breaking News: The word ‘tradition’ will be omitted from future financial text books. This controversial term was debated between Ben Bernanke and Ron Paul during the Federal Reserve Board's semiannual report on monetary policy, July 13 2011. UNESCO assures King Abdullah who cut a $20 million check, no xenophobic reference’s toward gold as a central banking tradition will go into an future educational textbook.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:25 | 3105484 BovineCapital
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Wow! What a truth-bomb. Shame the talking heads follow it up with "yeh so EURUSD higher I think".

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 05:05 | 3106134 Shell Game
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No shit.  Like empty-eyed cows chewing their cud...   (no offense) 

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:52 | 3105524 Eric L. Prentis
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Hurray for Ron Paul.

Here are the limits. The following five main policies, implemented over the past four years, are now impossible to extricate ourselves from, without causing a depression: 1) ongoing Zero Interest Rate Policy (ZIRP); 2) continued Quantitative Easing, thereby monetizing the debt; 3) Federal budget deficits running at -$1 trillion dollars a year; 4) allowing fraud to go unpunished, with no needed structural reforms in place; and 5) an increasing $700 trillion dollar market in unregulated OTC derivatives, daisy chained around the world..

Fiscal cliff discussions in the MSM, and by implication on the blogs, are designed to scare the public to rush, this year, into keeping these malignant policies in place. Better to leave these important issues to the 113th Congress, next year. To learn more, please read my Economic Populist article, published on December 17, 2012, entitled, “WORLD-MARKET-STATE vs. DEMOCRACY: Why We Should Go Over the Fiscal Cliff.”  

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 06:00 | 3106149 sessinpo
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Whorey for Ron Paul?

This might be startling for you. I know it is certainly starting for the majority of Americans, but we passed the point of no return a long time ago.

Historically, no nation that has debt that passed its GNP (and I said GNP, not GDP) has ever repaid it.


This is OLD news for the misinformed or ignorant. And for the informed, the strategy is to position oneself for the fallout.  It remains a question of when, not if.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 19:56 | 3105529 walcott
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Forward to 5:45 for the Ron Paul interview (ignore everything else)


love it!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 10:43 | 3106305 CaptainAmerica
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...the extreme torture of having to watch 'anything msnbc' until the Ron Paul start - at least the Asian chick is smokin hot!

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:05 | 3105545 pragmatic hobo
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"... new documents show that the violent crackdown on Occupy last fall – so mystifying at the time – was not just coordinated at the level of the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and local police. The crackdown, which involved, as you may recall, violent arrests, group disruption, canister missiles to the skulls of protesters, people held in handcuffs so tight they were injured, people held in bondage till they were forced to wet or soil themselves –was coordinated with the big banks themselves."

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 23:00 | 3105871 newengland
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JP Morgan gave the biggest ever donation to the New York Police Federation. That says it all. Verify the fact if you like. It is true.

Bloomberg is a fascist Zionist. So are JP Morgue and Goldman Sucks et al. There's only one well known place on earth where their sort are the majority: Switzerland, the central banksters haven, the center of their freak 'new world order'.

Switzerland that has the highest private gun ownership per head of population as citizens are expected to defend themselves and the State. Meanwhile, the Zionists plot to wage unending war and disarm honest law abiding Americans, and the Constitution.

There's only one thing worse: dirt poor, inbred, sadistic  Islamists.

No surprise that those two groups kill with impunity, and whine about their fate, and co-opt the rest of the world into their freakery.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:07 | 3105550 loveyajimbo
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And instead of this good man, we get Obunga, the "Coward of Benghazi".  Mitt ran like he wanted to lose, the moron... he should have attacked EVERYTHING about this muslim poseur... instead, he did a Milquetoast and got his ass kicked... now WE the non parasites suffer the endgame of the country... SHIT!

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:41 | 3105620 TrulyStupid
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No, YOU got Mittens not Obama...

Time for you and the die hard Repubs to realize that there is no substantial difference between the two parties or their policies. Continued character assassination is a poor substitute for creative, rational thought. Grow the fuck up.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:18 | 3106379 samsara
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Mitt ran like he wanted to lose....

Just like Kerry against Bush.

It's fixed.

You are watching the Harlem Globetrotters vs the Washington Generals

It's an exhibition game. Both get paid by the same company.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:26 | 3105592 schadenfreude
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Wow! I never watched CNBC, but that's frightening. Three "seriously concerned" bitches have an Entertainment Show.

I am German and did not know about the status quo of financial media in US, so pardon me.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 21:48 | 3105748 bunnyswanson
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Frightening bitches who are seriously concerned?  Butts and tits hour.  Their only concern is what is it going to take to keep their jobs, whose cock will they have to suck and how much ass are they going to have to kiss to continue to be overpaid while reading prewritten scripts.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 21:14 | 3105611 NuYawkFrankie
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Taser me.. TSA me... NDAA me... but DON't Fiscal Cliff me bro !!!

Whooaaa...  Aaagghhh!! Owwww!! Ouch - Moo...oon  Riverrrrr......

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:48 | 3105631 f16hoser
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Amerika will never have another honest politician come as close as Ron Paul did to the White House ever again. I actually look forward to the ecconomic collapse and anarchy in the streets. I'm ready for it. If you're not, well, it sucks to be you. Let's get it on. This waiting is pissing me off.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 10:03 | 3106260 Nimby
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Agree 99%  Just want to point out that it won't be "anarchy", it will be chaos.  Anarchy is the absence of the state, and the state is violence.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 20:53 | 3105645 AldoHux_IV
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why do tv people suck hairy shit at asking the right questions... guess asking that is like asking why people like justin bieber or the lady gaga.

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 21:18 | 3105708 10044
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"Forward to 5:45 for the Ron Paul interview (ignore everything else)"

except 4:02, where the guy says either case gold is going UP

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 22:18 | 3105794 blindman
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here it is.
Here is ” All there is to it” if you haven’t heard it.
john trudell "...yea
this explains why " money "
and bankers and corporations have resorted
to mind control technologies and other time
perverting distractions to divert u/s from the
truth of u'r/our humanity; that is for the slave
slip money notes that u/we be in worship of.
in u'r/our media induced trance
word as symbol, do not under estimate that
or neglect its origin, here we sail with the
ship of fools
John Cale - Ship Of Fools

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 22:32 | 3105823 MyBrothersKeeper
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Ron Paul tells it straight. My sentiments exactly

Sat, 12/29/2012 - 22:46 | 3105846 newengland
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Admiration for Dr. Paul who speaks as any responsbie citizen knows to be true.

I'm still unhappy with any career politician, but at least Dr. Paul speaks some truth, unlike most of the other money grubbing traitors and apparatchiks.

Main scream media employs wage slave pretty boy and girl robots for propaganda purposes. An intelligent honest person would be fired quickly in that environment.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 00:05 | 3105969 blindman
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point of return to what? don't even bother..
you weren't even born

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 00:04 | 3105970 SilverDoctors
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The Tylers called this one 15 months ago:  Federal Judge Robert P. Patterson Jr. dismises silver manipulation suit against JP Morgan.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 01:47 | 3106066 robertocarlos
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Are you trying to tell me the dollar is not backed by gold?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 01:52 | 3106070 Lord Of Finance
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The Dr. is no longer in. In another era, the powers that be would have terminated him quickly, but this is a new era. All that was needed was for Kruggman, Brooks and the other NY times dirtbags,as well as the rest of the financial media, to go on the t.v. talkshows and assassinate his character.


Mission accomplished:(

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 03:19 | 3106110 Dre4dwolf
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Would of been nice if you just cut out all the garbage and just showed us the section with Ron Paul in it.


The rest of the video is the usual non-sense that means or does nothing.


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 06:03 | 3106152 sessinpo
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And it would be nice if you didn't bitch just because the color, temperature and atmospheric pressure was just right for you. CUNT

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 04:10 | 3106120 Grand Supercycle
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Wile E. Coyote ...
Reminder ~ the Wile E. Coyote scenario awaits – no matter what eventuates with the fiscal cliff.

[SP500 & NASDAQ daily charts both show bearish megaphone wedge pattern]

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 05:02 | 3106132 Shell Game
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Wolverines  >>>  Leviathan

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 06:10 | 3106153 nathan1234
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"We have reached the point of no return"

Itr's time that those pieces of paper, which are Government IOU's are used immediately to buy real assets like gold and silver while others still accept it. Remember these assets are in your hands and you need not refer to anyone else for real value.

These dollar notes will have hardly any acceptance shortly.

To those who own the 70% dollar notes issued, that exist outside the US- you need to be crazy to own an IOU of another Government which does not even bother about it's own citizens.


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 06:26 | 3106156 MickV
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Ron Paul is a fake "constitutionalist". What kind of "constitutionalist" allows the Usurpation of the presidency with not a word? He should know that Obama was born a British subject, and is likely still a British protected person. His birth as a British subject, of a British suject father voids eligibility as a natural born Citizen, i.e one born with no foreign allegiances, i.e. born in the US of US Citizen parents.

"The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners". Minor v. Happersett 88 US 162, 167 (1874)

That quote from SCOTUS is describing the point in time of the ratification of the constitution, where the only naturalization law was "or a citizen at the time of the ratification of the Constitution". Those that were residents of the states when the Constitution was ratified in each one became naturalized citizens of the US, while those born in the US since 7/4/1776 of residents of the new United states were the natural born Citizens. In fact Obama, by the naturalization act of 1802, would have been considered a foreigner, since the proviso of section 4 stipulates that no citizenship would be granted to anyone who's father was "never resident in the US". Obama's father was a British subject Kenyan, whom was never resident in the US, and was in Hi. on a student visa. Obama Sr. according to Federalist 68, was "an improper ascendant" (improper ancestor), and Obama is not a "creature of our own". How could he be, born British of a British subject Communist, and submersed in an anti American cocktail of Communists, Marxists, Islamists, and black separatist theology his entire life? Is there any doubt that he demonstrates an utter lack of allegiance or attachment to America or American ideals? The Central Banking Cartel (Rothchild-- British subjects) put him in power specifically to destroy US Citizen Sovereignty. There is no law, and no Constitution when the POTUS, who is executor of the law is illegal. Why do you think his "oaths" are taken in private? why do you think criminals of the banking cartel still walk free?

Ron Paul is a FRAUD. He ultimately did nothing about Bernanke, and closed his eyes to the destruction of our sovereignty. What did he say about Benghazi? Constitutionalist? Please...

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 09:40 | 3106228 Monedas
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Obama is a bastard American .... born in Hawaii !    See:       "Dreams of My REAL Father !" .... a film by Joel Gilbert    Watch out for corrupted search engines !  They don't want you to see it !

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:24 | 3106391 MickV
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The requirement is "natural born Citizen", not "American Ciizen" or "born an American Citizen".

Mon, 12/31/2012 - 01:32 | 3108275 MickV
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I see the idiot "Paulies" have shown up to vote thumbs down. Predictable. They are as bad as the idiot Obama lickers.

Mon, 12/31/2012 - 03:39 | 3108342 bunnyswanson
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What do you have to offer, MickV?  blood letting the dogs and selling it at plasma centers?  Drain em dry, to the last drip, so the very wealthy can continue holding up the stock market until they are in position to collapse it (again).

The wars need to end.  The best Americans are being sent into a war fighting for personal interests.  The ruins left are the fertile grounds for the children to figure out there is only one door to survival because there are no jobs and they need to eat.

End the wars.  Go back in 10 years and resume if you must.  But for fuck's sake, end them now.  Stop everything.  Cease fire across the whole globe.  It's absolutely ludicrious to see the US taking sides within a nation.  The introduction of new forms of energy will be more likely when the oil barons are scaping the bottom of the barrel and actually need to do some work for a change. 

Ron Paul was not perfect.  I am as liberal as one could be and I was pro Ron Paul.  But, as I look at it, we are all lucky he is still alive.  Good character, accomplishments recognized by peers, and altrusism are no longer required to be a great success.  Weasels, Azzazzins, Frauds replace the qualifications.  Everyone seems to be willing to send 100 millions of people into a state of great suffering so a couple thousand people can live beyond imagination, beyond that of kings and queens.  We are handing the world over to these peole and they are fucking hiding from us.  THAT SHOULD WORRY YOU!!!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 07:35 | 3106171 orkneylad
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It reminds me of that scene in ‘Back to the Future III’ where they push the car down a railway cutting, towards a bridge that’s not finished, but will be in the future.

All will be well!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 08:03 | 3106180 richard007
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Watchman's Predictions for 3013

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 08:03 | 3106181 Benjamin Glutton
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It reminds me of our initial attack on Afghanistan...cue cheering adoring drunken 'mericans at football stadiums.

What time is the show errr 'vote' Boehner?

“I know many Americans feel fear today,” Bush said in his nationally televised announcement from the White House Treaty Room. Signs of heightened security concerns were evident, as officials took Vice President Dick Cheney from his residence to an undisclosed secure location, security was stepped up around the Capitol and government nuclear weapons labs were put on higher alert. The FBI said it was acting on the basis of “the possibility of additional terrorist activity occurring somewhere in the world.”

Within hours of the attacks, Bush drew public support from foreign leaders around the world, as well as from congressional leaders and the American public.

A crowd of 64,000 cheered the president’s words at Veterans Stadium in Philadelphia, where the beginning of a professional football game was delayed so the fans could view Bush’s appearance on the big screen scoreboard. Chants of “USA, USA” filled another stadium, this one in Atlanta.


Greatest Show on Earth Bitchez!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 08:18 | 3106186 overmedicatedun...
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this week a true story: older black lady tries to pay for items with fake FRN $10..our policy confiscate the note and call police. other employees saying to me do not let her go call the police and we need the $10 note for evidence.

The lady has been a long time customer and is on the dole. I looked at her and she was no cadillac welfare queen.

thread bare clothes and many chronic illnesses ..I asked her if she had other bills to pay, she HAD ONE DOLLAR.

I gave her the fake $10 BACK, her meds and told her not to try passing the fake $10 and let her go.

one thought that came to mind is : her fake $10 is not any differant than the fiat $10 just who printed it. no one around me understood.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 08:35 | 3106191 Monedas
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You at least should have burnt the bad bill .... she'll just go pass it off on someone else !  The welfare mess was built by suckers like you .... one drop of heartsblood at a time !

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 08:46 | 3106196 overmedicatedun...
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monedas, you missed the point fiat is fiat, backed by nothing, we should all start printing our own you know my credit is better than the FED. real money was mandated in the consitution and FRN's are not real so fuck off.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 08:56 | 3106202 Monedas
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I know it's all shit money .... if we used gold .... there would be no problem with counterfeiting .... fake Ebay coins, maybe ?  I received a $20 bill at a money exchange once .... I was across the border before I realized it .... no going back .... after much thought .... I put it in an ashtray .... and burned it .... there was no other option with honor .... it hurt .... but I felt better !   You're a nice guy .... but "I told her not to do it again !" .... was laughable .... the hoodies probably use Granny to pass bad drug money !

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 09:06 | 3106209 overmedicatedun...
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If you and I both know it is shit money, then we have an obligation to act on it. burn your legit FRN's as well.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 09:12 | 3106212 Monedas
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Uh .... OK .... you go first and post the video !

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 09:22 | 3106217 Monedas
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I was mad and embarrassed when they passed me the bad $20 .... it was amongst about 25 other $20s .... they saw the Gringo coming .... the tellers save the occasional bad $20s for just that situation .... knowing we are too polite to hold up the line checking every bill with a loop .... sader and wiser now .... it won't happen again .... the bad was that bitch that passed it to me .... a bigger personal bad .... than even the counterfeit or the fiat !

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 09:41 | 3106236 overmedicatedun...
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monedas, I have followed your posts and humor, I know you understand..I no longer live the fantasy that ben printing FRN paper is anything other than a counterfit money scam, we should all print money and pay ourselves just like TARP and such lined the pockets of the more mind control-- paper FRN's are illusion. we all know the country and banks are broke and they pass worthless paper to the tax units of these here United States and the longer the fool.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 09:57 | 3106252 Monedas
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You and I are on the same page, Bro ! I just wanted to share an anecdote and a heads up that Granny-Scam does exist !  People pass bad bills at night .... when the light isn't so good .... also !

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 21:07 | 3107830 Divine Wind
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Mo, was this a street money changer or the established "through the glass" type of operation?

Asking as I travel extensively and have, thus far, never had a problem with money changers except in exchange rate.

But the haggling is part of the fun, particularly as I descend from Ashkenazim Jooos hailing from the slave pits of Lithuania


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 09:42 | 3106239 helping_friendl...
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You are a little cunt!!!! karma is going to be your undoing you worthless pos.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 09:52 | 3106250 Monedas
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Backbone and common sense trumps "KARMAN GHIA" !

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 09:55 | 3106251 d edwards
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Your karma ran over my dogma! I'm gonna sue!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 10:02 | 3106257 Monedas
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"When I was a kid .... a milk wagon .... ran over my little dog Snuffy .... I haven't been able to drink milk since then !"  .... Frank Sinatra is Pal Joey 1957 .... He was trying to create sympathethic "Karma" to seduce Kim Novak .... it worked !

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 08:30 | 3106188 Monedas
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"Fiscal .... never take a riskal .... 'CLIFFCAL' "  from the musical HTSIBWRT    (How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying)

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 09:37 | 3106230 helping_friendl...
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Is the market open today? I don't see any action on ES mini futures??????

Let's get it on!!!!!

Over the cliff we go bitchz!!!!!!

Congress should be tarred and feathered. TODAY!!!!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 09:49 | 3106244 Monedas
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KITCO had a list of market hours over the Holidays !

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 09:58 | 3106256 realtick
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There's Only One Way To Read Business Insider - Stoned

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 10:07 | 3106264 DYS
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I fell out of love with Ron Paul when he threw the election.   Without so much as a wimper.   Perhaps somebody threatened his family, but for a guy who was on his last campaign and had nothing to lose, he showed just how little fght he had in him.   A lot of people put their money, hearts and time in supporting him.   Then he refuses to speak out at the national convention.   After dropping out, he was silent for the rest of the elections.   I just never understood what happened to him.   Now he's talking about the inevitable... we needed you to fight for us Ron and you abandoned us.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 10:14 | 3106273 overmedicatedun...
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which grandchild do you want dead next week Dr Paul?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:45 | 3106424 Manipuflation
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"Then he refuses to speak out at the national convention."

I see what you did there...

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 10:18 | 3106276 Monedas
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Obama is CIA as Putin is KGB .... the people can't be trusted at this stage of the game !

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 10:39 | 3106302 CaptainAmerica
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"Just like a bunch of drug addicts" = That pretty much sums it up with these bums!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:53 | 3106439 retiringteach
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would ayone reading this please reply-new zh




Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:53 | 3106441 Manipuflation
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OT.  The daughter got a couple of hundred joobux from Grandma for Xmas and all I hear about is Ipads now but I'm not cooperating. 


Time for this vid to go viral...."We are Apple and you are suckers".

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:08 | 3106477 retiringteach
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joobux?--watch how you speak of your bettors!


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:22 | 3106637 Manipuflation
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"joobux" is a term that Francis_Sawyer uses often.  I find the term to be not only accurate but quite humorous as well. 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:29 | 3106659 Manipuflation
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For fuck sakes, it's 11:25 AM and Corey and Trevor have still not shown up.  Looks like I need to break into the personal stash. 

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