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Boehner Responds To Obama: "Stop Blaming And Lead"

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If earlier media speculation that the cliff debate was seeing some progress would have sent stocks higher (assuming it was not a Sunday), the speaker's just released response to Obama's Meet The Press appearance would have deflated all hope of any progress. Remember: all is fair in political circus and Beltway theater.

To wit:

Boehner: President Obama Should Lead, Not Cast Blame

WASHINGTON, DC – House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) released the following statement in response to President Obama’s appearance on Meet the Press this morning.

“Americans elected President Obama to lead, not cast blame. The presidents comments today are ironic, as a recurring theme of our negotiations was his unwillingness to agree to anything that would require him to stand up to his own party. Needed cuts and reforms that the president agreed to just last year were no longer on the table, as he cited an inability to sell them to Democrats.

“In an effort to get the president to agree to cut spending -- which is the problem -- I put revenues on the table last year, and I put them on the table again last month.  Republicans made every effort to reach the ‘balanced’ deficit agreement that the president promised the American people, while the president has continued to insist on a package skewed dramatically in favor of higher taxes that would destroy jobs. Weve been reasonable and responsible. The president is the one who has never been able to get to ‘yes.’ 

“The House has passed legislation to avert the entire fiscal cliff, and the president has never called for the Senate to act on those bills in any way. He instead has simply allowed the Democratic-controlled Senate to sit on them and lead our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff. I am pleased Senators from both parties are currently working to find a bipartisan solution that can finally pass that chamber. That is the type of leadership America needs, not what they saw from the president this morning.”


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Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:45 | 3106702 JPM Hater001
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That'll help things...

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:48 | 3106710 Mae Kadoodie
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Orange you glad I didn't say "Oblama"?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:07 | 3106766 economics9698
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Fuck it, the sooner it’s over the better.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:23 | 3106807 walküre
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Why do we keep paying these idiots a salary, benefits and pensions? They are completey fucking useless. Cut them all off without pay, close down DC and everyone get back to being entrepreneurs and innovators. That's what made this country great. We can accomplish alot more without the suckers in DC.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:09 | 3107084 El Oregonian
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Biden: "Hey, you dance with the person who bought you".

Biden: "I never like to think about important issues until I've had a really good bowel movement, you know, it clears out the thought process"

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:54 | 3107203 Uncle Remus
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Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:58 | 3107220 akak
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I'd rather dance with Biden's BM than with Biden himself.

That's assuming that I could differentiate between the two in the first place.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:29 | 3106830 spastic_colon
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the negotiations should be televised, not just the soundbites from the talking heads, this would have been over last year if this was the case.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 17:19 | 3107286 Peter Pan
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The biggest problem is not the fiscal cliff but the fools that are pushing us over the edge.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:17 | 3106933 saturn
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It's in those other "humans' " nature to delay the inevitable for as long as possibly possible. We have to wait.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:45 | 3106958 cranky-old-geezer
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NO, please DON'T lead.

No, we don't need any more "leadership" in the direction Ofascist wants to go, letting Wall Street loot the damn country, wiping out rights, turning America into a freikin police state far worse than Russia.

No, please, no more of that "leadership". 

Just impeach the nazi please.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 17:13 | 3107257 Lore
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We're witnessing the emergence of PATHOCRACY.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:26 | 3106821 Proofreder
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That was F I N E ...
Thank you
A little education is a wonderful thing indeed.

Mon, 12/31/2012 - 07:48 | 3108413 Go Tribe
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Boner keeps looking for a frontal assault from Obama and it's never going to happen. Obama fights from behind the front lines. He has mastered the feint.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:48 | 3106711 WhyDoesItHurtWh...
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Way to go Boehn-head.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:54 | 3106730 SHEEPFUKKER

Shut up when you're talking to me Mr. Boner. 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:01 | 3106749 eatthebanksters
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Boehner is right, Obama has never 'Manned up'...he's like a little kid who's happy when people respond to his natural charm but he whines and cries when he has to do something that actually requires leadership or work...personally I am so fucking tired of the finger pointing and blame game (from anyone).  Shut the fuck up, strap one on, sack up and geter done!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:03 | 3106757 maxmad
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Nobody really expected Obama to be a leader, right??? 


What has he ever lead??  Oh yeah he's a community organizer.... How's that working on the SS of Chicago? 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:09 | 3106770 economics9698
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Obama has always been a pussy.  A pussy the yids like for some fucking strange reason.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:24 | 3106816 Seasmoke
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they like him because he divides and because he gives them cover to do whatever they want, that Bush would get creamed for

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:52 | 3106867 SMG
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The Elite that control Obama  (and most of the rest of the government for that matter)are not Jewish, they are Luciferian.  Get it right, darn it!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:06 | 3106910 economics9698
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I try my best.  I like the tribe or banker best.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:42 | 3107017 spentCartridge
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Same fucking thing ...

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:25 | 3106819 Jake88
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Didn't you know..."he leads from behind" Makes sense to me. NOT.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:21 | 3107109 Landrew
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I have to agree! Living and working in IL. I voted and raised money for O'BUMMER for Senator. He sucked as a Senator, except for the comment " It is irresponsible to vote for increasing the budget deficit". O'Bummer was my Senator for three months before deserting to run for POTUS! I never voted for him again.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:40 | 3106759 wee-weed up
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Boner sounds like he's still trying to find his undescended testicles.

Don't get me wrong... I like what he's saying... unfortunately, when it comes time back up his rhetoric with action - in the past, he's always proven he doesn't have the balls!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:05 | 3106909 Snakeeyes
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Boehner, watch out for Harry Reid to stage a dawn attack on Ft Knox to get additional money to squander!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 17:19 | 3107285 Lore
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I fail to see much difference between Obama and Boner.

They're both prima-donnas who love being in front of the camera.

There's palpable professional jealousy there. I wonder if Boehner was once tapped for potential candidacy and then rejected.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:54 | 3106719 The Gooch
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And yet another prop.

People Are Props

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:53 | 3106724 Banksters
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The truth that no one will utter on the MSM or in CONgress is this:


The Federal Reserve and its proxies are a cancer designed to steal the land,labor, resources and liberties of our country.


If Obama said this he'd be a leader.   He'd also be dead.  Just like Lincoln, Garfield, and JFK.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:57 | 3106737 WmMcK
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What about me, always the forgotten assassinated president.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:20 | 3106795 Oldwood
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But McKinnley was a protectionist president who believed that people having jobs was more important than cheap foreign goods. He was a backward thinking hater with no progressive vision. What is it going to take for everyone to embrace a new world order where a common shared poverty is the only thing that will ultimately unite us. That and death.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:12 | 3106923 economics9698
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McKinley was a hard money supporter in the way of the progressive T. Roosevelt.  

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:26 | 3106822 Jake88
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Oh but this one won't be forgotten.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:09 | 3106774 Spider
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LOL there is no way out of this fiscal mess other than default (inflation or otherwise) so what do people expect from either side?  When there is no solution you might as well find ways to blame the other side because there is nothing else you can do - stop blaming Obama and Boehner and figure out what to do to protect yourself and your community

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 20:28 | 3107718 ball-and-chain
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Did you notice that Boehner never cries anymore?

I wonder if he's seeing a psychiatrist for him problem?

He's a new man.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:49 | 3106716 VonManstein
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An orchestrated bipartisan push for a strong leader who should “lead”

This is so obvious now.

Hejda Freedom

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:50 | 3106717 ShortTheUS
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If a headline crosses but the futures markets are closed, does it make a sound?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:50 | 3106720 Oldballplayer
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We need a Thunderdome.  Except it would be OK if no one came out.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:56 | 3106733 Uncle Remus
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Springtime for Master Blaster

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:25 | 3106820 JustPrintMoreDuh
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aka priority drone strike list

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:52 | 3106722 nickels
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Merit pay for politicians.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:11 | 3106920 monad
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Just separation of justice system from organized criminal politicians.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:53 | 3106726 bugs_
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or i'll start using big words like McConnell

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:54 | 3106728 chunga
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These fiscal stiffs make me sick.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:55 | 3106731 e_u_r_o
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why is there no zerohedge favicon when using IE(10)?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:57 | 3106738 Uncle Remus
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You may have answered your own query.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:22 | 3106734 rwe2late
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So what exactly is Boehner asking for?

Is he asking for Obama to assume the Congressionally-approved Presidential "emergency" powers because of a declared economic "crisis"?

One might be inclined to think that rule by executive orders to avoid the legislative "logjam" is the desired ultimate goal for some,

or is at least a handy back-up plan.

 "You want me to lead, I'll lead."

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:03 | 3106742 CrashisOptimistic
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Boehner is doing what Obama did.  There was talk all week that Boehner must backstab his conference and pass a bill using Democrat votes against the will of the majority of his own conference.

All this statement means is that he demands Obama do the same thing -- and propose deep spending cuts and pass them in the Senate using mostly GOP votes over the desires of most Democrats -- with perhaps 6 Democrat Senators going along with it.

He is doing nothing more than Obama did all week long.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:00 | 3106746 UTICA CLUB XX PURE

F this, I'm watching the Jets Buffalo game...


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:03 | 3106755 eatthebanksters
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Tebow for President!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:20 | 3106797 mess nonster
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Tivo for president!


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:04 | 3107073 GeorgeHayduke
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Sorry, but I'll pass on anymore religious nuts for Prez.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:04 | 3106758 km4
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Ron Paul "We have passed the point of no return where we can actually get our house back in order adding that "they pretend they are fighting up there, but they really aren't. They are arguing over power, spin, who looks good, who looks bad; all trying to preserve the system where they can spend what they want, take care of their friends and print money when they need it."

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:05 | 3106761 blabam
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How will going over "the cliff" affect gold prices short term? I plan on buying some gold maples monday. 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:19 | 3106798 walküre
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Who cares at this point? Gold will be valued at $50,000 oz the day before the USD gets exchanged for a new currency. That's the day you're preparing for and keep stacking. This bullshit between $1500 and $1700 is just like fondling at Lover's Lane. Once we get to first base at $2500 it will get more interesting and we can go for more.

There is NO other medium of exchange to store value than physical gold and silver. Period.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:51 | 3106878 Getting Old Sucks
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I have some gold but I wonder.  Won't TPTB eventually end up with it all anyway?  I mean at some point, most will have to sell it to survive and just like most of the fiat went to TPTB, gold will prabably follow in time.  No?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 17:30 | 3107306 Lore
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The pejorative label 'gold bug' is often used to discount the worldview of those who believe that society will collapse in some dramatic fashion: these are the people who buy coins and bars and head for the hills, hoping someday to barter for strips of beef jerky or something.

More likely, the economy will limp along, contracting and becoming progressively more awful year after grinding year, and those who invest in any kind of tangible asset will find their net worth comparatively less eroded. So long as America has millions of people who continue to live out their lives, there will be demand for goods and services. Note that Zimbabwe recently switched from their own currency to USDs. Life goes on.

I use boldface with the assumption that it makes the text easier for you to read. One generally doesn't do so unless one intends to draw special attention to one's comments.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:12 | 3106922 Matt
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IDK about that. I hear nickel holds its value over time quite well. It is harder for someone to steal when you buy it in 500 pound slabs, and once it gets some surface oxidation, it looks like a pile of slate, so you can store it in the open and no one thinks it has value.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:28 | 3106826 Chappy
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They just lowered margins on gold futures 9%.  To suck in weak hands maybe? Hard to say, it may get crushed, it may go up.  If stocks tank and everything gets liquidated then thy wil go down.  I'm betting on down which would mean they will go up.  Good luck, keep stacking.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:41 | 3106835 moonstears
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Buy silver, major refiners cold calling sources offering premium on junk 90%, so I hear. THIS IS UNUSUAL rumor says Shang-Hi calling Co-Mex to buy at their stated prices, physical delivery only, Co-Mex says "nope". What's it mean? in Mandarin: "Buy fuckin' Silbah, Bitchez"!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:51 | 3106877 moonstears
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I wanna thanks that wall streeter commod liar who gave me the down arrow... oh, and "fuck you in the new year!"!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:14 | 3106928 scatterbrains
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haha!  nigga crazzed.. but luv it if it's true!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:56 | 3106889 Central Wanker
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It goes up or down. If you're not done with your purchases, go for it. The Fed certainly is not done with its printing.

I've bought gold at $500, at $1000 and at $1500. If I get a chance, i'll buy also at $2000. 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:05 | 3106762 Smuckers
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I've taken the below from a Miles Davis e-mail:
"Fiscal Cliff" put in a much better perspective.

Lesson # 1:
* U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000
* Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000
* New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000
* National debt: $14,271,000,000,000
* Recent budget cuts: $ 38,500,000,000
Let's now remove 8 zeros and pretend it's a household budget:
*Annual family income: $21,700
*Money the family spent: $38,200
*New debt on the credit card: $16,500
*Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
* Total budget cuts so far: $38.50

The equivalent of $38 bucks on roughly $160,000 debt. 
Fiscal cliff cuts my ass, what a fucking horrific shame this is. 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:11 | 3106778 Deacon Frost
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Yes, this puts it very succinctly, and in understandable terms for most people.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:35 | 3106845 Jake88
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That is why Obama's number one priority is immigration reform.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:41 | 3107164 Dingleberry
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I thought his priority was homos getting married, judging by the 24/7 homo news stories.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:17 | 3106791 walküre
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Brilliant isn't it? Folks, go all in. Do as they DO not as they SAY. Leverage up and cash out, then bow out.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:19 | 3106793 Seasmoke
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yes that looks like my household budget......i sacrificed and got rid of my Sports Illustrated subscription last year.......looking forward to 2013 !!!!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:17 | 3106934 scatterbrains
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wow such clarity..   your obviously not a journalist are you

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 21:27 | 3107873 perchprism
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Actually, he's not much of a mathematician-- it's $385, not $38.50, but what's a power of 10 among us big spenders?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:29 | 3106972 mendigo
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Its a good point but also a little misleading - a family does not own a printing press borrowing or running out of money is not even close to the issue at this point. In fact they've convinced themselves that spending beyond our means is necessary and good. This is not really borrowed money - that would imply it is conceivable to pay it back without selfdestruction. It is now a game of rate of dilution of value relative to rate of creation of wealth.

looking on the brightside at least it is becoming apparent to the masses what is happening people don't want to accept it but it is becoming harder to ignore

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:07 | 3106765 Yen Cross
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 This debacle is starting to look like one of those screen shots in a "horror movie", when the camera zooms up on the victim while the background falls away. Lets play,[ how many panicked traders can you squeeze through a doorway at the same time?]

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:07 | 3106767 davidsmith
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The only way to prevent a collapse of the government now is for Obama to declare a national economic emergency BEFORE the debt ceiling needs to be raised.  The Tea Party Republicans will prevent the debt ceiling from being raised, on the argument that taxes need to be addressed before the debt ceiling can be raised.  If Obama declares a national economic emergency AFTER losing the vote on raising the debt ceiling, the Tea Party will say he is breaking the Constitution, and that authorizes tax and other kinds of strikes. 


In short, the Tea Party strategy is to force Obama into an authoritarian position, then cause collapse and blame it on that authoritarian position.  Its not clear how long Obama could maintain a declaration of economic emergency, but probably the Courts would sustain it UNLESS there was a vote condemning it, or portions of it, in both houses.  Remember why the Court struck down Truman's seizure of the steel mills: 1) no declaration of economic emergency preceded it, and 2) Congress passed a resolution against it.  On the other hand, Lincoln took many executive actions at the beginning of the Civil War, while Congress was out of session, and then had them ratified retroactively after Congress returned.  Those passed Constitutional muster.



Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:15 | 3106786 rwe2late
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 And the headline MSM story read:

At the urgent request of Republican and Democrat Congressional leaders, Obama reluctantly declared a national emergency because of the fiscal cliff crisis and assumed sweeping executive authority.

"Let me be perfectly clear, I neither sought nor desired to assume these powers. But I am left with no other choice if America is to defend itself from it's enemies" said the President in front of a cheering throng of warrior-heroes at an undisclosed military base.  

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:34 | 3106839 Oldwood
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Obama will not claim these powers because he needs the republicans to remain his fall guy. It never matters if it is taxes, spending or debt ceiling, the media will always back him and blame any negative results on the republicans. If he were handed the power to act without restraint, it would ultimately be the surrender of his cover. This is about collapsing the economy to gain complete control while being able to blame the other guy. Both parties are playing this game but the MSM is the ultimate arbiter of who wins and we know how this game ends...always. Americans, at least those who I would call Americans based on historical meanings, would never stand still for the blatant end run of the constitution. It has to happen as part of a true crisis, with people in the streets, demanding protection by, not from, the government. 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:42 | 3106860 Spastica Rex
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Who owns the media?


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:06 | 3106913 Oldwood
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Does it really matter who owns the media? They could be Jews, communists or martians. The end result for most of us is the same. TPTB are not me nor mine, and I don't have to know exactly who the enemy is to know I'm under attack. The problem as I see it is that most do not recognize that we ARE under attack. They see these seemingly idiotic politicians fighting, holding our attention while others are cleaning us out...of wealth and liberties.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:37 | 3106851 davidsmith
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This just in, and right out of the authoritarian playbook:


Navigate: ‘Major setback’ in fiscal cliff talks

Reid and McConnell have been focusing on a smaller-scale deal. | AP Photo

Close By MANU RAJU and JOHN BRESNAHAN | 12/30/12 12:15 PM EST

Negotiations between Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell have suffered a “major setback” after Republicans demanded the inclusion of new method for calculating entitlement benefits as part of the fiscal cliff package, according to Democratic sources.

The provision, known as “chained CPI,” is opposed by many progressives because it would result in lower payments for Social Security beneficiaries.

Read more:

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:00 | 3106894 GOSPLAN HERO
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Lincoln jailed Americans without writ of habeas corpus ... Dishonest Abe remains a scoundrel.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:08 | 3106769 DoChenRollingBearing
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Please don't wake me up until my taxes go down, and they bring back our liberty...

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:17 | 3106790 Uncle Remus
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Sure thing, Rip.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:11 | 3106777 Meatballs
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Yo, Weeping Cheeto, start talking about defense cuts or STFU- same goes for Choom Boy.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:16 | 3106788 CrashisOptimistic
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If you sashay over to the Fiscal Cliff wiki, there is a pretty good layout of DoD cuts in the Sequester.  Over the next 10 yrs, with a solid portion of it in 2013, DoD spending will reduce from 4% of GDP to 3%.  That's a 25% decline in all of it.


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:21 | 3106802 Meatballs
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I hear'ya, but we all know that's not going to happen, don't we?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:16 | 3106932 BeansBulletsBandaids
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+100 for weeping cheeto.

Never heard that one before.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:15 | 3106785 rsnoble
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Heh Boehner............stop coming to work plastered. In fact why don't you do the entire world a favor a put a gun to your head and blow it off before Obama outlaws them.  Of course im sure you'll still be able to carry one freely so no worries.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:24 | 3106815 Salon
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Some animals are more equal than others. I bet the private school he sends his kids to has an armed guard too

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:20 | 3106794 jmcadg
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+1 Smuckers, brings it into clarity.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:21 | 3106801 Jake88
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And the other monkey flings his shit.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:22 | 3106804 Eally Ucked
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Obama got them on this one but sweet revenge is coming in few months with debt ceiling.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:56 | 3106888 F. Bastiat
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Are you kidding?  Unless Boehner grows a pair between now and then, the despot will win that fight too.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:36 | 3106993 Eally Ucked
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May I explain: if they are against taxes on high earners which are maybe 10% or even 15% of electorate and cause uniform tax rise, they cannot count on any wins in future elections. That's it and they may rename the party to find new voters (Canada is the best example). If we talk about ceiling of debt it's different because the majority doesn't even know what they're talking about. And if they cut many expenditures to some degree, majority won't even notice it, few $ for schools, hospitals, changing indexing, making tougher rules and so on. If ceiling rise is not approved then Obama will get into shit hole so he will agree on quite a few cuts, which are good for him any way, to get that ceiling rised. Now it will be very crucial for future of Reps to think about time limits and limits of debt.  

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:22 | 3106805 Salon
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There is no quick solution to the fiscal cliff.

Both sides are posturing to blame the other now, come January.

I thought the fiscal cliff was a decent compromise between red team and blue team. Everybody pays more. Everybody including the military gets less.

I like it

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:24 | 3106812 RaymondKHessel
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+1000 Salon

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:41 | 3106859 Everybodys All ...
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Multiply the fiscal cliff times ten and we are at a balanced budget. That's how far out of wack we are right now. Thank or blame whoever you want.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:22 | 3106806 RaymondKHessel
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Over the cliff we go... Over the cliff we go... Hi Ho the merryo o over the cliff we go!!

Got gold?
Got silver?
Got ammo?
Got food?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:24 | 3106813 mess nonster
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Somehow Congres and the Prez will, at the last minute present us with a miraculous compromise which will somehow feel like someone stuck a corncob up our collective bunghole.

If we go over the cliff, at least that uncomfortable feeling of betrayal will be absent.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:28 | 3106827 walküre
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If it was only fair and everyone, rich and poor had to line up the same way and jump the same depth. The poor would have an equal chance to survive as the rich.

The way things are in this world is that the rich will jump that cliff with a bungee cord and a dozen tempurpedic stacked at about 6 feet below their personal cliff in a comfy zip code of their chosing.

The poor will get tossed right over that cliff, falling a couple hundred feet deep and then the rich will toss some rocks after just to make sure and for good measure.

We need a good cleanse and culling of the top herd.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:44 | 3106863 Oldwood
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Why not cull the crooks and thieves? Or is it just about punishing anyone who is good at what they do? Not everyone who makes a lot of money does it at the cost to someone else. We spend what we earn on those things we put value in, for better or worse.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:05 | 3106907 walküre
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Agreed. The people shall have a court and the crooks and thieves a fair trial.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:43 | 3106862 blown income
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But they will have to pass it to know what's in it...wait..haven't we heard that before?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:28 | 3106829 billwilson
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Boner = Clueless, lost, powerless, confused,  ... and did I say clueless?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:30 | 3106831 Getting Old Sucks
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In the end of this BS session, I'm sure that there are many ZHers that could list out exactly what they will come up with. 

This ranks up there with all the TV soap operas.  Sad but true.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:33 | 3106837 I am Jobe
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and so the whining continues.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:34 | 3106843 I am Jobe
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Great examples coming from DC, the invalid fucks and these guys procreate.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:38 | 3106852 I am Jobe
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Coming soon, Amerikan Pussies from DC.


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:39 | 3106853 Jack Burton
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Over the cliff? That is where we need to go. No more candy ass.

Once over, the spending will have to go DOWN. Taxes, that were cut over and over again, will go back to Clinton era levels.

So, is America so addicted to government overspending that it can't exist without it? Did America survive Clinton era tax rates?  Any honest person knows the answers. It is the truely greedy and the "Takers" who want to resolve this and keep the Bush tax cuts in total and to continue the Bush/Obama spending levels.

It was 2008 when the bankers crashed the economy when Bush had to raise spending to a deficit of over 1 trillion + a year and Obama came in an kept the Bush economic team, military team and Federal Reserve team. Thus we are where we are.

Don't slide off the cliff, jump off the cliff, it is where America HAS to go to begin to set things right. If people in higher income brackets do not keep there Bush ear tax cuts, so what?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:46 | 3106868 Spastica Rex
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Or Bravo.

Yer pretty, Jack.

And right on.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:22 | 3106947 Oldwood
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The reason taxes were lowered by Bush was because of yet another recession and the result was somewhat of an economic recovery as well as an increase in tax revenues.  The TARP program that was intiated by Bush was supposed to be a loan and most of it was paid back. Unfortunately it wasn't put back into the budget but was "re-spent" on other "needy" projects. And just in case you have forgotten, all of those spending bills that have caused the deficit to blow out were passed by a Democratic majority in the house and senate. The cliff that we are now faced with was yet another prized "compromise" legislation. One so very similar with what we are likely to end up with again. Another tough choice that will amount to yet another procrastination of the collapse of the monster they have jointly created. Do you want taxes increased on the rich because you truely think that it will result in more revenues or are you just another lefty looking for some "justice"?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:51 | 3107200 Jack Burton
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Hmmm? Try looking at the Bush Job Creation Tax cuts. Then look at the Job Creation record. I rest my case.

Americans can't handle the truth. They can only think in the Lefty versus Righty model. That is old history. The ONE party state is here and has been for a long time. The hoax of left versus right is so 20th century. The Powers That Be have carried out a revolution from above. Left? Right? That's just a joke in 2012, nobody buys it but the FOX and MSNBC fools.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:40 | 3106855 e_goldstein
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They should all go take a long walk off a short pier.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:43 | 3106861 I am Jobe
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or airlift the fuckers to Somalia or Pakistanand wish em good luck. Also don't forget their familes.


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:40 | 3106856 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Cheeky bastard, speaking of the King, er, I mean President, in such a fashion!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:46 | 3106866 Troncom
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The Can is getting so enormous, it won't be able to be kicked soon.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:53 | 3106882 I am Jobe
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FEMA camps and Big Coffins are needed since the can is getting way toooooooooooooooooooo big.


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:49 | 3106873 buzzsaw99
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this is all engineered just to conjure market volatility so the squid can make $

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:51 | 3106876 Seasmoke
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i see how this going to play out.....we go over cliff, then they will wait to see how bad it really gets (they probably dont even know)....if it gets worse than acceptable, GHWB will get his next assignment pass on into the next world......and then we will be bombarded 24/7 with that for 2 weeks and the fiscal cliff will be forgotten, until they are able to figure things out

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:55 | 3106884 F. Bastiat
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Good grief, Boehner - despots don't lead, they demand. Where have you been for the last four years?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:56 | 3106887 orkneylad
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“It is restful, tragedy, because one knows that there is no more lousy hope left. You know you’re caught, caught at last like a rat with all the world on its back. And the only thing left to do is shout — not moan, or complain, but yell out at the top of your voice whatever it was you had to say. What you’ve never said before. What perhaps you don’t even know till now.”

Jean Anouilh

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:57 | 3106890 Walt D.
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This is a poker game an Boehner has missed an easy way to call Obama's bluff. Obama proposes keeping the status quo except for tax hikes for those earning over $250,000. All Bone Head has to do is offer to keep the status quo but to reduce the middle tax rate by 2%. This would actually give the middle class a real tax cut.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:04 | 3106900 moonstears
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Sad when Congress thinks the Executive branch should lead the masses, and not blame themselves. Sorry state of affairs in the state. Checks and balances et al.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:19 | 3106938 Walt D.
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Before we start blaming Obama and Harry Reid, lets take a hard look at Mitch McConnell. He is proposing the implementation of an "enhancement" to the calculation of the already phony CPI index aimed at reneging further on cost of living adjustments to Social Security payments. Meanwhile, Congress gets a pay raise. This is unconscionable.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:20 | 3106940 Father Lucifer
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Simon says "JUMP".

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:15 | 3107095 GreatUncle
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Could you agree on this ... ??????

If you go over the fiscal cliff, no ifs, no buts, both Democrats and Republicans will be too blame. No more casting blame on one side or the other because it was the obvious inability to achieve any sort of agreement whichever side you may support ...


Actually I am banking on an agreement because if you go over a cliff it doesn't really matter after that.

As for being responsible for damaging the global economy maybe other nations should never have put so much faith in one area of the world and the defintely too big too fail concept. That bit needs to be addressed for the future so start removing that faith and then if the too big too fail ever happens then the damage will be far less.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:49 | 3107189 ebworthen
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More Kabuki theater.

The Republicrats will "reluctantly" raise taxes.

The Demicans will "reluctantly" cut already taxed entitlements.

All scripted, all to benefit the corporations, the banks, and the beast known as the Kleptoligarchy.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:49 | 3107190 Uncle Remus
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Oh for crying out loud, in 3..2..


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 18:52 | 3107480 Radical Marijuana
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My macabre sense of humour is tickled by the fact that the only things we know about Obama for sure are those events which took place when he was a teenager, since multiple witnesses confirm that he smoked a lot of marijuana back then. Many other significant events in Obama's biography are hidden, and suspect ... as that link above shoots in the dark towards? Of course, in proportion to how important the topic is, Obama is a professional liar and immaculate hypocrite, regarding everything from marijuana to money ...

The bigger picture is that it is impossible for any powerful politicians under the present systems to not be puppets. The government has been systematically taken over by organized criminal gangs, acting covertly, to control their political puppets, and enough masses of muppets, to legalize the lies which favour those gangs of criminals, which were systematically able to bribe and intimidate politicians to become their puppets, or to discredit and destroy those politicians who could not be bribed or intimidated to become puppets.

Everything, including this show about the "fiscal cliff," takes place inside of that overall context. After a prolonged, successful, campaign to legalize lies, and back those lies up with legalized violence, the government has become nothing more than an agency for the covert gangs of criminals that actually took control over that government, more and more, through a strategy which has lasted for a long, long, time, and whose success meant that everything automatically had to get worse, faster.

The question of whether Obama is a "leader" fits within that overall context, since anyone who tries to do research about him discovers more and more that Obama was probably never qualified to become President in the first place.  Of course, I do not know the truth for sure! Furthermore, these days, the entire system is so completely corrupt and crazy that the "truth" no longer seems to matter much. 

Almost all the politicians are strutting puppets, whose strings are being pulled by the biggest and best organized gangs of global criminals, who have controlled the sovereign powers of governments in order to legalize frauds, and back those frauds up with the force of the police and armies. Of course, Obama is not a "leader" except in the sense of being the leading symbol of the treason that runs throughout those entire systems, with only a few exceptions, which no longer matter enough to make a difference. Obama is basically the leading traitor, in conflict with a bunch of other treasonous political puppets. Their fundamental systems have been completely corrupted for at least a Century. For a long time, there has been nothing but more frauds, backed by more force, or legalized lies, backed up by legalized violence, in proportion to how insane those lies were.

The democratic republic is already gone. It has been replaced by a runaway fascist plutocracy juggernaut. President Obama is now the hood ornament on that juggernaut, which he thereby appears to be the "leader" of.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 19:49 | 3107629 grunk
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Obama wouldn't go to the Redskins/Cowboys tonight, would he? 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 20:20 | 3107700 Gift Whores
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I don't know why I'm watching CNN but whatever dipshit of the hour just says "It doesn't look like we will be able to avert the fiscal crisis that will start on Jan 1st."  

Sir, the fiscal crisis is full on.

I really feel sorry for the people that buy all of this smart person's talking points.

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