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Obama's Meet The Press Interview

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More GOP-bashing, more scapegoating, more "we need to raise taxes to cover a few days of spending" (and pray America's rich have never heard of Belgium), more hope and optimism, in other words more of the same, yet nothing on the last minute executive order hiking Federal spending, nothing on the myth of what really constitutes the spending "cuts", or why it is all really all about preserving the lie of a fair and efficient market: as if more than 10% of the US population actually cares where the DJIA closed on Friday. The full Obama Meet the Press interview below.


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Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:38 | 3106409 fonzannoon
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I wonder if Gregory brings his prop from last week.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:41 | 3106414 The Gooch
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These two are both props.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:03 | 3106431 Banksters
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The tax issue is  based off of a false argument- how much vs how little.  This type of debate gives the federal reserve a hard on.   The real question should be:  Are Americans responsible for paying tax on debt accrued by politicians who lied to get elected?   For example, shrub bush said he wouldn't nation build and yet that is exactly what he did, much to the delight of KBR, Haliburton, and many other contractors.  They never did find WMD's, did they?   In fact, I don't believe the govt story on 911 one bit.   


DEBT REPUDIATION!  YES WE CAN. Patrick Henry said it best: No taxation without representation.  Me: Fuck you bernank.


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:16 | 3106498 CH1
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Patrick Henry said it best: No taxation without representation.  Me: Fuck you bernank.

Well, why don't we just combine the two: FUCK TAXATION.

The idea that money should be taken from people by force, and that this is somehow good, is nuts.

We already have peaceful ways to get what we need... it's called commerce. Not only is it inherent moral, but it works WAY better than government.

The State is a vile relic from an ancient, barbarous past. It's WAY past time to move on.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:24 | 3106516 Banksters
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These ideas are  brush fires for a revolution.   Let's spread the word!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:33 | 3106671 economics9698
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Raising taxes does absolutely nothing to balance the budget.  Here is a blog I did about it awhile back.  Look at the last graph.  That is all you need to know and see to know how full of shit our politicians are.

Just be honest Obama, “we need more payoffs from the producing class of citizens” and be done with it.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:25 | 3106792 wee-weed up
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The congress-critters have made it so there are never any REAL spending cuts - NEVER, EVER!

Their dirty little secret... baseline budgeting.

"baseline budgeting is one of the most sinister ways that politicians claim to cut spending when they are actually increasing spending. The Congressional Budget Office defines the baseline as a benchmark for measuring the budgetary effects of proposed changes in federal revenue or spending, with the assumption that current budgetary policies or current services are continued without change. The baseline includes automatic adjustments for inflation and anticipated increases in program participation."  -- from Citizens Against Government Waste

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:44 | 3106674 TruthInSunshine
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Should any of you wish to skip what is a rather dull, dry and rhetoric-filled chat session that was President Obamney's appearance on "Stroked By The Main Stream Press," here is a much more to-the-point, abridged version of precisely what he had to say about his perception of anyone's ability to impede his plans:

King Kong Ain't Got Shit On Me
Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:34 | 3106542 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"Well, why don't we just combine the two: FUCK TAXATION."

If money printing is such a good idea, then why don't we just get rid of all taxes, and print what we need?  Just think of all the votes Obama could get then?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:44 | 3106698 economics9698
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Ask and ye shall receive.

Table 7-1, 10th column over.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:49 | 3106713 FL_Conservative
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Japan was practically doing this before the reincarnation of Abe.  Now the foot's really on the accelerator.  But it's worked well for them so far, don't you think? /sarc

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 17:18 | 3107279 yogibear
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Japan's race to the abyss is like a Toyota with a stuck accelerator. Japan has chained itself to the US and Europe. 

The action of Japan hyper-printing should pull the US and Europe over the cliff.


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:50 | 3106718 The Joker
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Wait a minute.  That's a really good obvious point that I never thought of.  If they can print all the money they want then why the fuck do they need to raise taxes?  They're going to keep printing anyway so what the hell. 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:00 | 3106741 economics9698
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The IRS is a way to control inflation but more importantly it tells the government who is making what money.  It’s a information gathering system that allows the government to identify (Bill Gates Microsoft-1980s) potential rivals for economic and political power and knock them down to size as well as force them into supporting corporate fascism.

Hitler used this system to his advantage in the late 1930s when he financed 35% of his war machine with stolen Jew property.



Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:08 | 3106916 cynicalskeptic
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But the US isn't taking from the very wealthy - it's sucking it from the middle class.    

Would make a lot more sense to claw back ill gotten gains from the top .1% but they're the ones profitting from all this.  THEY are the ones government is bailing out.  Onstead of firing all thise in banking and Wall Street who caused this mess - clawing back the money they made through manipulation and lying  and banning them from working in finance ever again, we propped them up and GAVE THEM EVEN MORE MONEY


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:32 | 3107138 DosZap
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Would make a lot more sense to claw back ill gotten gains from the top .1% but they're the ones profitting from all this. THEY are the ones government is bailing out. Onstead of firing all thise in banking and Wall Street who caused this mess - clawing back the money they made through manipulation and lying and banning them from working in finance ever again, we propped them up and GAVE THEM EVEN MORE MONEY


A hearty Amen, the 1% and the 47% on FREE everything.Planned destruction of middle class brings us to banana repulic status with another Chavez at the helm,except worse.

O has already stated that 100% of whatever taxes come in are going to be spent on NEW programs, how much more FREE crap can they dream up?.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:38 | 3106548 Ghordius
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You'd still need some form of army to get to that sort of societal status

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:46 | 3106563 CH1
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Perhaps I'm not understanding, but the words "fuck status too" come to mind.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:34 | 3106672 Ghordius
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And empirically this ends with the local "status" asking you "you and which army?"

History teaches: either you have an army or you get gifted with a foreign one

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:45 | 3106699 CH1
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So statists keep repeating: YOU MUST HAVE A THUG!

Been there, done that, have counted hundreds of millions of dead, in just the past century. So forgive me if I prefer de-centralized defense. With no center of control to grab, an invading army is merely a target.

To quote Admiral Yamamoto, a guy with a massive military force and who took the question seriously: You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:00 | 3106747 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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In Feinsteinian Relativity, make that "a musket behind every blade of grass".

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:09 | 3106773 Ghordius
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and so the "statists" continue to be proven right since the beginning of recorded history, yes

"state", latin "res" means "status", as in "status quo". you live in one and have fantasies of getting rid of it

philosophically interesting, empirically unproven

this "status quo" has an army. actually the most powerful and expensive ever to honour this planet, and you talk about "de-centralized defense"

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:44 | 3106823 CH1
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You play at history and yet you ignore Yamamoto, the most pertinent history. So typical of statists.

Tell ya what: You go serve whatever strongman you like, but leave me alone to live my way.

Have we a deal?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:13 | 3106927 Ghordius
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I'm ignoring the... Admiral of the WWII Imperial Japanese Fleet?

A "strongman" of a tax-collecting government?

I rest my case

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:18 | 3106930 CH1
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Do we have a deal?

You serve your strongman (ruler, potentate, grand poobah, whatever) and you leave me alone. Yes?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:21 | 3106943 akak
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If there is one thing that binds all statists, it is coercion.

With statists, opting-out is never an option.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:01 | 3106981 Ghordius
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my point exactly, way more succint than what I'm able to. thx

there is always a Mongol Horde or an Admiral Perry with gunboats over the horizon

US Commodore Perry forced Japan out of it's isolationism

and is so the direct cause for Yamamoto's fleet. hilarious, isn't it?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:19 | 3107101 CH1
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(Third try.)

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 17:20 | 3107292 CH1
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Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:14 | 3107094 EscapingProgress
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America does have the most expensive and technologically advanced military on earth, but this army cannot defeat goat herders in the mountains of Afghanistan who wield rusty AK-47s and primitive, homemade explosives. These goat herders previously defeated the Soviet military.

Your point is disproven. Decentralized defense (insurgency) is very effective.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:25 | 3107124 DosZap
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wield rusty AK-47s and primitive, homemade explosives


And a crapload of our best weapons, and modern heavy weapons.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 18:27 | 3107434 Ghordius
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Eh? What was my point again? That the US needs it's current armed forces for defence - from invasion? Sure not.

You guys are talking about militia only (and dreaming of no state and no taxes), that is one extreme

Nevertheless you are living through the other extreme

And think you can transition quickly

What happens if you disband a million strong army? Eh?

Mon, 12/31/2012 - 00:36 | 3108217 sun tzu
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Didn't we do something like that on a much larger scale after the civil War, WWI and WWII?

Mon, 12/31/2012 - 03:34 | 3108340 Ghordius
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now this I can accept as a good argument

yes and no, the armies of that period were drafted

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:02 | 3106593 Pants McPants
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Excellent....and I totally agree.

I've made the 'taxation is theft' argument a few times with people I know, and unfortunately it did not resonate.  The most common respose?  "Well, as long as I get a say (e.g., voting) I'm comfortable with taxation"

Madness indeed.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:16 | 3106500 GeorgeHayduke
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You are correct. The irony is how most 'Mercans think only of folks on food stamps when it come to the word "takers" instead of thinking of KBR, Haliburton, JPM and others who take billions. At least the food stamp folks spread their government money around in communities across the country. The money given to corporate welfare queens remains in the hands of a few or is thrown down a black hole.

The bottom line is none of this changes even if this fiscal cliff BS is saved at the last minute. Even with their meaningless changes this system is unsustainable and nobody in DC has what it takes to change that reality. All the bitching from the sidelines will change nothing unless you're one of the players.

So, all we can do is try to make our own little corner of this crap pile more resilient as the whole house of cards crumbles. Problem there is the mafia dons in charge of this country will send their thugs out to milk us all for anything decent left and take it for themselves. Such is the nature of a parasite. The only question remaining is how long the hosts will put up with it. Thus far the sheople have shown a high tolerance for lies and ineptitude. I attribute this to the fact that most Americans are hustlers themselves who would do the same thing given a chance.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:29 | 3106971 Bad Attitude
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As I see it, there are two types of parasites. First, there are the parasites that coexist in a symbiotic relationship with the host. Second, there are the parasites that eventually overwhelm and kill their host.

The first type of parasite can live comfortably for a long time. Its success is intimately related to the success and ongoing viability of its host. The second type of parasite ultimately dies with its host. It can only claim success by infecting other hosts before it dies along with its host.

The politicians/powers-that-be seem to have become type-two parasites. They are consuming the host as rapidly and voraciously as possible, ignorant of the fact that they will die right along with the host they are destroying.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:39 | 3106545 Ghordius
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"Are Americans responsible for paying tax on debt accrued by politicians who lied to get elected?"

Well, if not Americans then who? Foreigners that were not even eligible to vote?

US Debt repudiation or USD inflation are both just forms of default - vs mostly foreign lenders

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:10 | 3106564 nmewn
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So you're saying, the People are ultimately responsible for the crooked deals, misdeeds and incompetence of government?

Well there's an interesting twist on reality.

We have relative paupers enter the Senate and emerge years later as millionaires, so what are the odds of them sharing their accumulation of wealth while a "public servant" with the People?  Government debt works the same way in my book.

Its all theirs.


And another thing (while I'm on this personal responsibility thingy) what's up with a fucking newspaper publishing the names and addresses of LEGAL gun owners?

Well...whats good for the goose is good for the gander:


Miss Royle’s married name is Lambert. She lives in White Plains and here is her Facebook page complete with pictures of her and her kids. Hello Sanctimony.

Cynthia R Lambert
17 Mcbride Ave
White Plains, NY 10603 (914) 948-9388

Work: 914-694-5001
Drives a red convertible:
Family photo:

Publisher, Janet Hasson,

3 Gate House Lane, Mamaroneck NY, 10543

(914) 694-5204


Reporter, Dwight R. Worley, 23006 139 Ave

Springfield Gardens, NY 11413

(718) 527-0832

The “Visual Editor” responsible for the map itself is:

Robert F. Rodriguez

(w) Stephanie Azzarone
Home (212) 222-4566
420 Riverside Dr, Apt 7A
New York, NY 10025-7748

Publisher: Janet Hasson (@janhasson on twitter) 3 Gate House Rd, Mamaroneck, NY 10534


Gracia C Martore 728 Springvale Rd Great Falls, VA 22066 (703) 759-5954

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:16 | 3106620 DoChenRollingBearing
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That is exactly how we fight back, nmewn.

+ a billion or two

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:38 | 3106684 nmewn
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Wow check out some of "shacks" these people live

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:26 | 3106647 Urban Roman
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Cynthia's facebook pages: not found.

That was quick.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:47 | 3106707 Ghordius
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No. Just pointing to some facts. By being an US citizen you do have a tiny slice of responsibility, at least morally.

It's not as if you asked the King and the Westminster parliament to take care of your government's actions.

You wanted to be indipendent from foreign influence, so your gov is your baby, as Uncle Sam's actions and debt can't be just unloaded on foreigners with the simple gesture of calling it "odious" or saying "nobody asked me, personally"

Foreigners aren't welcome to change your gov, so this leaves... You

The People of the US. The source of your gov's authority

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:16 | 3106787 nmewn
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"By being an US citizen you do have a tiny slice of responsibility, at least morally."

Ummm, no.

This is the way its supposed to work Ghordius. The purpose of taxes to government is to fund its current operations. When its operations exceed the current taxes coming scales back its operations to meet what is coming in or increases taxes. Seeing as how all taxes/fees at the federal, state and local levels now exceed 50% of average workers income, its way past time to scale back its operations.

My responsibility, as a citizen, is current taxation NOT imposing future debt burdens on the next generation...that my friend, is good morality.

"as Uncle Sam's actions and debt can't be just unloaded on foreigners"

Is Uncle Sam sticking a gun to your head forcing you to exchange your currency for his debt?

If not, please stop buying it, it's going to be worthless. Hamburger flippers & sales clerks cannot be taxed enough to provide the principle & interest payments on what is owed, so it will be printed into existence...until it's not. Being paid back with devalued dollars is not a wise investment.

Now, I'm going outside to take down the lights, Christmas is over and I'm not feeling the least bit charitable anymore.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:40 | 3106828 Ghordius
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me neither. so you do renounce to your US citizenship? officially and formally? just asking

your gov is your responsibility (and some would say everybody's problem)

your currency is your responsibility (and Nixon said our problem)

not fully. only a very tiny slice. but most emphatically not that of foreigners

btw, Uncle Sam forcefully sold it's debt as "as good as gold", at the time. I'd be careful with any sentence that might dangerously sound (not your exact words) like "it's not as if Uncle Sam never stuck a gun to anybody's head", those affairs are also called wars. and the following "peaces". and "deals"

we foreigners have, more or less, stopped buying - after decades of support, first mostly europe and the ME, then also Asia. that is one of the US problems that has not really registered, yet, not at popular level

meanwhile, the US has still huge deficits, and consumes more goods and services than it provides, a difference that used to be financed by asking credit from foreigners

and there is this little search going on for a moral high ground when it comes to defaulting

I thought this is the place where some search for red pills. perhaps I was mistaken

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 18:27 | 3107433 pods
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In full disclosure, the currency that is passed off as "ours" is in fact property of the private Federal Reserve.

It is THEIR currency.


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 18:31 | 3107439 nmewn
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"so you do renounce to your US citizenship?"

I might as well, I don't recognize this country.

Mon, 12/31/2012 - 00:41 | 3108228 sun tzu
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If this generation doesn't repudiate the debt, the next one will. They have no moral responsibility to repay it because they did not vote for those who put the debt burden on them. The lenders also have the moral responsibility of not lending money that cannot be repaid. If I lend $500,000 to a degenerate gambler or crackhead and he doesn't repay me, would you blame me or the degenrate/crackhead for the default? The US government is led by a bunch of degenrates and crackheads. This is a warning to all who are buying US debt. You will lose your money.

Mon, 12/31/2012 - 07:52 | 3108415 nmewn
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"They have no moral responsibility to repay it because they did not vote for those who put the debt burden on them."

This is what I meant by funding current government operations via taxes. Which is what every fucking Keynesian-socialist alive avoids talking about, the immorality, nay...the illegality...of government PURPOSEFULLY turning future generations into debt slaves so they will seek it out for aid & comfort...thus propagating and growing its existence and control.

It's the epitome of evil disguised as charity and having good intent.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:49 | 3107036 americanspirit
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NMEWN - Thank you! At last a few folks here on ZH are getting the idea that we need a public database of the names, addresses, personal habits, and patterns of every single person at any high level of corporate or government responsibility. Anyone who wants to know how to find one of these people to deliver a personal message in person needs to be able to do so. After all - they have access to that kind of information on everybody else in the country - why shouldn't we crowd-source their personal data and make it available for whatever purpose anyone has in mind?

Again NMEWN - thank you! Great work!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 18:34 | 3107444 nmewn
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Alinsky's Rules for Radicals ;-)

"Radicals must be resilient, adaptable to shifting political circumstances, and sensitive enough to the process of action and reaction to avoid being trapped by their own tactics and forced to travel a road not of their choosing." Page 6

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:53 | 3107046 Pig Brotha
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Out fucking standing, this is how we need to respond to tyrants. BTW, White Plains is the epicenter of sanctimonious white elitist swine looking down on the great unwashed they care so deeply for.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:49 | 3107192 ZeroAvatar
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Facebook page not found.  (Noted below, as well)

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:51 | 3106576 Schmuck Raker
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Ghordius, I agree, although...

"As of January 2011, foreigners owned $4.45 trillion of U.S. debt, or approximately 47% of the debt held by the public of $9.49 trillion and 32% of the total debt of $14.1 trillion.[71]" enough of the inaccurate "victim" meme, please.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:31 | 3106714 Ghordius
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You are counting also that part held by US Banks, particularly PDs. I don't. Gives a different picture, similar to the difference between held by the FED and the "public".

anyway, according to your calculation it's about (very roughly) $44'500 per working & tax-paying US citizen (100m of them)

4'450 billions would have meant 4'450'000 metric tons of gold, back in 1968, this would definitely have sunk any French battleship fleet sent to collect

victims? no. stakeholders, I'd say. nevertheless I'll admit to the wrongness of my "inaccuracy" the very moment we foreigners get goods and services in today's value of this debt (roughly what the US "makes" in one year) ;-/

Mon, 12/31/2012 - 00:45 | 3108232 sun tzu
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People and businesses file for bankruptcy all the time. Many countries have also done it. If you bought US debt, you deserve to be screwed

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:54 | 3106580 Banksters
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Inflation is a form of default, right?.   And is lending guaranteed investment?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:13 | 3106615 Stackers
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Great idea. Impossible to implement when said debt is the collateral supporting the world credit system.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:50 | 3106875 Waterfallsparkles
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I always wondered if Tax Returns and the IRS was a violation of our right of privacy and the 4th Ammendment.  It says that we are to be secure in our papers.  Yet, we are required to present our papers when filling out the form.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:54 | 3106582 Blammo
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This prop should ask Oba why he cares if the Bush tax cuts expire since "they were just for the rich"!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 20:01 | 3107650 Chupacabra-322
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Everyone with any sense at all knows this issue is not about guns at all, nor is it about Sandy Hook. This is solely about tyrannical control and absolute power and nothing less. If you put our government in charge of the Shara desert in 6 moths there would be a shortage of sand! We as free Americans are the last bastion of people in the way of final completion of the NWO and Global Tyrannical Authoritarian Fascist Governence.

Our forefathers put the Second Amendment in to allow the citizens of this great country to be able to defend ourselves and this country from all enemies, foreign and domestic. They were very adamant about that.

For years the government have been passing laws about gun control. None of the laws have worked! Is the war on drugs working? NO. Did prohibition work? NO. Is the war on terror working? NO. Our government hasn’t gotten anything right in over 50 years. And now they want to take our guns.

Now what we have is a very questionable government that has raised taxes, pushed there health care on us and made most of the country dependent on food stamps. In essences, making us dependent on the government. I for one “DO NOT” want to depend on my government to take care of me. What is the average citizen paying in taxes right now, 40%? Remember to add all the taxes for sales, gasoline, property, SS, Medicare etc. At what point did our forefathers start the revolution? Are we getting close yet? And the government won’t cut their spending, but will raise taxes to pay for everything.

The way to make this happen is to disarm their citizens. But look at the history of countries that have disarmed their citizens. Germany, USSR and Cambodian, to name a few had genocide happen. Do we want that? Or how about the other countries that have outlawed most guns, Great Britain and Australia, had crime rates soar after outlawing guns. The criminals are now safe from guns to commit their crimes. Then there is Switzerland; everybody is issued an automatic firearm by the government. The crime rate is the lowest in the world. Guns are not the problem. Remember history repeats it self.

Our government has been hijacked. By who I am not sure of. But I know this much, they do not have the constitution or my best interest in mind. If they outlaw firearms there will be a revolution! And the patriots will win.

Mon, 12/31/2012 - 03:22 | 3108335 inca
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Americans Never Give Up Your Guns

By Stanislav Mishin

These days, there are few few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA, but at least so far, one thing remains: the right to bare arms and use deadly force to defend one's self and possessions.
This will probably come as a total shock to most of my Western readers, but at one point, Russia was one of the most heavily armed societies on earth. This was, of course, when we were free under the Tsar. Weapons, from swords and spears to pistols, rifles and shotguns were everywhere, common items. People carried them concealed, they carried them holstered. Fighting knives were a prominent part of many traditional attires and those little tubes criss crossing on the costumes of Cossacks and various Caucasian peoples? Well those are bullet holders for rifles.
Various armies, such as the Poles, during the ????? (Times of Troubles), or Napoleon, or the Germans even as the Tsarist state collapsed under the weight of WW1 and Wall Street monies, found that holding Russian lands was much much harder than taking them and taking was no easy walk in the park but a blood bath all its own. In holding, one faced an extremely well armed and aggressive population Hell bent on exterminating or driving out the aggressor.
This well armed population was what allowed the various White factions to rise up, no matter how disorganized politically and militarily they were in 1918 and wage a savage civil war against the Reds. It should be noted that many of these armies were armed peasants, villagers, farmers and merchants, protecting their own. If it had not been for Washington's clandestine support of and for the Reds, history would have gone quite differently.
Moscow fell, for example, not from a lack of weapons to defend it, but from the lieing guile of the Reds. Ten thousand Reds took Moscow and were opposed only by some few hundreds of officer cadets and their instructors. Even then the battle was fierce and losses high. However, in the city alone, at that time, lived over 30,000 military officers (both active and retired), all with their own issued weapons and ammunition, plus tens of thousands of other citizens who were armed.

    The Soviets promised to leave them all alone if they did not intervene.
   They did not and for that were asked afterwards to come register themselves and their weapons: where they were promptly shot.

more here:


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 20:30 | 3107729 ball-and-chain
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Obama is very handsome.

He must have had a lot of girlfriends back in high school.

I look like the elephant man.

What a drag.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 21:25 | 3107869 nmewn
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The only girlfriends he ever had was in a Chicago bath house.

Mon, 12/31/2012 - 00:39 | 3108222 Angus McHugepenis
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I also heard his girlfriends had very big cocks and ... and... mustaches.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:39 | 3106411 tom a taxpayer
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Hitler finds out fiscal cliff is near

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:42 | 3106415 I am Jobe
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more crap from the idiot.

Who are the Amerikan retards, inbred fucks who voted for the idiots, ship the fuckers off to Pakistan.


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:55 | 3106450 insanelysane
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The banksters pull the string and he keeps repeating the phrases.  The takers love it but they get bored easily.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:30 | 3106526 fourchan
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taxes are obsolete.

taxes in the context of a fiat money scheme serves the purpose of removing units from

the system so those units dont become worthless through devaluation and failure of the confidence scam.

since the government has sold out to the bankers and abrogated its fiscal duty of money regulation,

in favor of unlimited spending on wars, welfare votes, and government bloat.

there is no reason to tax because there is no devaluation or wage inflation, we shipped all priceing power

to the slave nations. everyone in the world is behind our confidence game and

there is zero reason to tax a single us citizen perpertrating this world wide theft of life liberty and finite materials.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:21 | 3106784 Waterfallsparkles
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WOW, never thought of it that way.  So, what you are saying is that with the Fed printing all of this Money, Taxes have to go up to stop the value of Money deflating too severly. Taxation takes Money out of circulation.  Cutting down on Inflation and maintaining some of the value of the Money left in circulation. Interesting concept.

Yet, I suppose we still have to consider that when they print Money as Debt there is never enought Money to pay the Debt and the Interest accrued on that Debt.  Which makes it impossible for the Debt to ever be repaid.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:27 | 3106824 The Joker
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the money the Fed prints doesn't go into circulation.  At least, that's what I gather from my skoolin here.  Perhaps someone can clear up the details...

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:46 | 3107028 fourchan
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joker its complex, on purpose, with fractional banking and the creation of debt=creating money and debt being slavery,

the fed has enslaved a free people and captured all property,

this is the SYSTEM in fed res system. it has been working perfectly for 100 years.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:42 | 3107014 fourchan
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good point, this is one reason why our system is evil, because the interest is never created

we must extract it from out fellow citzens in a financial musical chairs. since all money is

borrowed into existance, if all debts were paid off there would be no money in existance.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:01 | 3106750 The Joker
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Like it makes a difference who you vote for?  Stating the obvious.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:23 | 3107120 DosZap
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Who are the Amerikan retards, inbred fucks who voted for the idiots, ship the fuckers off to Pakistan.

Sadly most  our youth and MOST(not all) of the people of any color except caucs,and the 47% who do not want their free everything stopped.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:45 | 3106423 GMadScientist
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Belgium's gonna get crowded...better stock up on track suits and waffle batter.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:28 | 3106657 Uncle Remus
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Wait - is that like "large" capacity magazines and ammo here in the US? 'Cause, you know, it's a sellers market on that stuff right about now.

In a similar vein, went to my local gun store a couple of days back looking for a new carry handgun for the Mrs. Not an AR-15 type weapon in the house. Gone. And a sign every few feet reading, and I paraphrase here, "We support the 2nd amendment. We have no AR-15s in stock because we sold them all to law-abiding citizens."

Two of the bulk ammo outfits I order from are not currently taking orders so they can "catch up on their existing orders". The holidays and UPS holiday schedule is a big factor as well I am sure, so I am not reading much into this.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:27 | 3106960 Miffed Microbio...
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Same story in my local. Ar-15s all gone, probably for months. Only one LWRC REPR left. It was 16" and I wanted a 20" I've never seen the place so busy, even after the first term election. Scary stuff brewing.


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:45 | 3106425 Everybodys All ...
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Wonder if he gave Gregory a Christmas gift? The obligatory picture of himself.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:56 | 3107057 Uncle Remus
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Presidential portrait on purple velvet?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:46 | 3106427 Seasmoke
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Lindsey , Barney and Obama should all suck each others dicks.

These are the only homos I know off the top of my head. Please feel free to add other names of gays in DC

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:48 | 3106429 Bastiat009
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They can't because the media are already too busy doing just that ...

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:11 | 3106487 azzhatter
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I understand CNN resident pigslut candy crowley has offered to blow all of congress if they just make a deal. its for the children

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:26 | 3106650 francis_sawyer
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That's it... Now they'll NEVER get a deal...

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:42 | 3106692 Uncle Remus
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I am sure there's an exception to Herr Bloomie's "Big Gulp" rule for this...

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:46 | 3106428 General Decline
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I didn't watch it but I guarantee it was a total douche-fest.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:35 | 3106543 Rainman
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me too....completely tuning out Oblameo is at the top of my New Year's rezolution list.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:30 | 3106975 koncaswatch
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I keep watching to see if I will find one redeeming trait in this "human being"... a waste of time; his humanity is totally politicized, a complete farce under the ownership of the NWO.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:48 | 3106430 booboo
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Why bother, if I wanted to watch shit flinging monkey masturbate....well, I don't want to do that either.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:49 | 3106432 stormsailor
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bills originate in the house,  the senate can vote on exactly what?


i thought this pothead affirmative action bobble head was a professor of constitutional law.


why didn't the interviewer call him on his drivel about employment,housing, etc.  or even point out the obvious that if he got everything he wanted it would only fund the gov for about a week, or ask about the raises for fed workers and vp and congress.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:36 | 3106989 koncaswatch
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He has found the utimate tool for the circumvention of constitutional law, and he is quite adept at using it... the Presidential Executive Order.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:53 | 3106443 Atomizer
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June 14, 2008, 1:29 PM. Obama: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’


Oh the irony!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:54 | 3106444 10mm
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Let the taxes go up.Default on all you can.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:03 | 3106462 toady
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Already there. Next, get out of the economy. Keep only enough money to pay bills, and limit the bills as much as possible. Put all your extra money silver & guns. Grow your own.

Tune in, turn on, drop out.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:32 | 3106536 Miffed Microbio...
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Our plan as well. Jan 1 we plan to make a huge downsize on our monthly bills. The few monthly memberships we have will be cancelled and we will make sure they know why they are being cancelled. I figure some may have lobbying groups that certainly have more push in this corrupt government than tax slaves like us... perhaps they can make some noise not that it would be effective. Hopefully enough of us do this in mass will get us noticed. Next step...laying plans to go full Galt and exiting Cali.


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:16 | 3106623 Ralph Spoilsport
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Your plan is a good one but I'm not sure this is a good time for attracting attention - just wrap it up and get out of Dodge. With your skillset you can find employment almost anywhere.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:54 | 3106446 IridiumRebel
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I'm surprised he didn't just blow him. Skip the foreplay.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:54 | 3106448 doomandbloom
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FORWARD! M'fkers

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:56 | 3106451 dogfish
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The government is thier best advertisement costomer why would they not back them up. blowing obozo = $$$$$$$.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:57 | 3106452 PeeramidIdeologies
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Everyone who thinks raising taxes is pointless, or "unfair" (boo-fukin-hoo), needs to step back and look at the big picture. America has HUGE bills to pay. They have been scraping by with little tricks and schemes playing on the CONFIDENCE of the rest of the world they have control of the situation. If that confidence is lost, America's ability to keep this up will be also. We all know what happens then. Time to pay the piper America, by the way how is that deleveraging going?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:04 | 3106463 dogfish
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Because more is always just enough,sign yourself up and stay out of my hard earned cash. 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:17 | 3106503 PeeramidIdeologies
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I'm not a government employee, and any shape or form. In fact I was working before I had a high school diploma, and haven't stopped since. But it's time to get realistic. A lot of people have made a lot of money in America through the government, in many different ways. This has been happening for a long time. Yes, paying this back through taxes is impossible, but the fact remains that someone has got to start paying it back one way or another. If you think this is unreasonable, go talk to someone who has experienced the collaps of a government. Maybe that is a better option for you...

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:34 | 3106531 Ralph Spoilsport
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OMG! You started working before your high school diploma? That makes you extra special and you are my hero. I'll have to change my thinking about taxes because of your outstanding character and modesty. Haaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha...........

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:47 | 3106559 PeeramidIdeologies
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You'll have to change your thinking on taxes due to the facts of reality. Not something most Americans have a firm grip on.
I'm glad you can laugh about it though, because the jokes on you. Good luck not paying the bills, and good thing you manufacture more then war machines and shitty vehicles.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:20 | 3106799's picture

If you allow strangers to take as much of your money as they need don't be surprised when they take as much as they want.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:09 | 3106472 Landotfree
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Whether or not the corporate entity called United States of America has huge bills to pay is not my concern.   I assure you my taxes will go up zero.   As far "deleveraging" that is the myth just like the helicopters, deleveraging would be called a collapse.   

Once the creation of credit starts to go south once again, this so called CONFIDENCE will be exposed to the Truth.  Confidence has not a chance long-term against the Truth.  The Truth always wins.  The equation will eventually win the war, nothing can be done to stop that unless you have unlimited power.   

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:09 | 3106476 booboo
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Pop that titty outta your mouth Jr, it's now official, you can donate to reduce the national debt. Since inception total $260,000 and Uncle Warren is still fighting the IRS on his "fair share". Fuck you and the horses ass you rode in on, their is no way to pay it back.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:23 | 3106515 PeeramidIdeologies
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Speaking of horses how about you get off the high one an admit you have enjoyed the benefits of an inflated government balance sheet? Then we can talk about who's got their mouth on the titty...

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:24 | 3106809's picture

Right, because when hundreds of millions of people get buried in massive government and personal debt everybody wins!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:09 | 3106480 CH1
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LOL... You're actually laboring under the delusion that the bills will be paid? Or SHOULD be paid???

Government is a ravening beast. All else is bait for suckers.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:13 | 3106492 nmewn
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"The government has HUGE bills to pay."


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:43 | 3106695 Uncle Remus
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"These are not the droids you're looking for."

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:01 | 3107065 Donutwarrior
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Someday you will learn mathematics.  Its really useful to analyze complex problems like income and expenses.  Like for example when you increase your expenditures in an out of control fashion, it is possible to calculate the difference between your income and expenses, realizing that spending more causes severe overuse of the credit card.  While you may want to force your boss to give you an 80% raise, you will soon notice he doesn't value your services that much.  Explain how an 80 billion dollar tax increase matters when you overspend by 1.2 trillion.....explain who is going to cover that difference.  When the "1%" run out of funds to pay you, will it be the 2%?  The 10%?  The 50% who pay?  This is why the time has come to "let it burn"  and give idiots like you exactly what you want.  We will then see where that leads....nowhere.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 11:58 | 3106454 insanelysane
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Where do I get me one of them "People with jobs are greedy MF-ers" bumper stickers?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:45 | 3106697 Uncle Remus
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Print some up and sell'em. That's how it's supposed to be done.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 17:04 | 3107239 Clever Name
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I want the gubt to give em to me for FREE!

I think thats how its supposed to work, aint it?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 19:09 | 3107532 Uncle Remus
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Alright. Lemme see if I can get a grant...

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:04 | 3106461 Zola
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The income tax is fundamentally Un-American. The Antithesis of a free country. From the moment you accept that the government owns you and your labor , you have lost. But the Wind is rising, the storm is growing, and one of these days, the battle for the soul of America will take place, once again.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:21 | 3106514 Pareto
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That day cannot happen a bit too soon.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:04 | 3106464 zilverreiger
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Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:01 | 3106592 Schmuck Raker
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+1 funny

[Aw crap. Now I'm an another list.]

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:46 | 3106701 Uncle Remus
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LOL so hard I couldn't click the !@#!$@% reply button - cursor be all over the place.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:05 | 3106466 uncle reggie
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BO is pathetic, but "more GOP-bashing" is always in order. One of BO's major failures is his inability/unwillingness to flat out attack the pigs who currently run the Republican party.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:07 | 3106475 Everybodys All ...
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You're right he really has a hard time looking in the mirror.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:11 | 3106489 CH1
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BO is pathetic, but "more GOP-bashing" is always in order.

Dude... stop taking any of them seriously!

It's all a huge puppet theater for getting money out of suckers.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:37 | 3106683 TBT or not TBT
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Yeah he's been going easy on his opponents his whole career, never saying a bad thing about them, never lying, smearing, distorting, flipping the bird on national TV, finding sealed divorce proceedings to reveal to the public, enjoying having his proxies swipe the race card over and over, as if he has anything at all to do with the experiences of actual american blacks from america.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 19:08 | 3107529 Uncle Remus
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"inability/unwillingness to flat out attack the pigs who currently run the Republican party"

Well hells bells son, there's yer clue right there. It's the same pigs that run his party.

Arguably, it might not be all kosher, but there it is.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:06 | 3106468 cherry picker
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Dear Washington;


You are no longer necessary and are too expensive for us to maintain.  You lie and cheat.


Our relationship is over.


Your wife


Fifty States

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:30 | 3106661 Mary Wilbur
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The up arrow didn't work for me. Service error 503. But I have to say that you squeezed a little humor out of an unspeakable condition that worked like a "teaspoon of sugar helps the medicine go down."

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:35 | 3106673 Uncle Remus
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If you thought the first time she tried to leave was bad...

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:10 | 3106483 nmewn
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I want my ObamaFawn!!!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:12 | 3106490 NOPOMO
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Everytime I see his photo I have the urge to spit in his face.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:15 | 3106494 ejmoosa
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All politicians should be forced to use US mail as their only means of communication, AMTRAK as their means of transportation., and eat and consume food and beverages only as recommended by the FDA and the USDA.  Their power consumption should be limited to the consumption of the average US citizen, and they should have to drive and shop for themselves.

Those opposed to the 2nd amendment shall be afforded no armed guards of any nature.

Their pay and benefits shall be halved until we have a balanced budget.

No gratuitious travel for anyone- for we cannot afford it.  It's time they enjoy Staycations like the rest of us taxpayers.


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:14 | 3106495 ISEEIT
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Is it just me...Or is obama the reincarnation of good ole' Abraham Lincoln?

We really needs to come together as Americans and support the heroic efforts of our dear leader...Right?

Such a charismatic man is he, just doin' he duty.....

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:36 | 3106547 foxmuldar
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Every word out of his sleazy smile is a lie. Obama is a pathological liar. He actually believe the crap he continues to throw out to the Liberal media. 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:42 | 3106691 TBT or not TBT
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Ah no, he doesnt believe it.  His plan is to take down the USA.   Proof?  He's allowed budget deficits amounting to national suicide and is dead set on more of the same.   2nd amendment?    aiding and abetting enemies?   Having filmmakers arrested by stormtroopers in the middle of the night?   Dinesh D'Sousa's theory about this guy fits.   It's a nightmare.   Grim reaper of the entire western world, not just the USA

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:15 | 3106499 I am Jobe
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Pay Raises Bitchezz for a job well done.


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:17 | 3106504 azzhatter
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I am so sick of this douchebag obama flapping his gums mindlessly I could never watch the fucker anymore. fuck you bernanke and fuck you obama

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:18 | 3106506 caimen garou
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sorry tylers, I would have watched the video if it were obama meets godzilla! sick of all the BS falling out of his mouth. no matter what, everyone will see higher taxes one way or another. people don't understand that sales tax,property taxes have all risen over the past four years while more and more people  are collecting entitlements and we pay for it! go get your welfare money from GS,JPM,and your butt buddy warren!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 13:23 | 3106638 Mary Wilbur
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It's unbearable. I can't listen to him anymore either.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:36 | 3106846's picture

At least Bush displayed the courtesy of entertaining us while he oppressed us.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:21 | 3106512 Oldballplayer
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When I was a kid there was a zoo in town with a monkey house. When you went in you had to be sure not to stand too close to the rails. This was because the monkeys would flip shit or jizz at you. Instead, they just threw their shit at each other, or jerked off in the corner.

Of course on the other side of the house, in direct sight, were the fucking lions and tigers--so these monkeys were in a perpetual state of abject terror.

The place was always loud with howling, roaring, and general bedlam.

I haven't thought about that shit hole in forty years. Until this week.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:36 | 3106546 Husk-Erzulie
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Poetry :-)

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 14:06 | 3106764 Jake88
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Great metaphor for our government. Boehner and Obama flipping jizz and shit at us. We should bring in some lions to set these monkeys straight. No taxation without representation.

Mon, 12/31/2012 - 00:41 | 3106896 akak
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When I was a kid there was a zoo in town with a monkey house. When you went in you had to be sure not to stand too close to the rails. This was because the monkeys would flip shit or jizz at you. Instead, they just threw their shit at each other, or jerked off in the corner.

At least the monkeys did not point guns at you demanding that you stand in place while they jizzed and flung their shit at you, much less further demand that you pay for the "priviledge" of unwillingly receiving their mandatory "benefits".

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:22 | 3106513 donkshover
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I got mine last week.   250 free minutes a month   and thats just the start.

I think that is the answer- everyone -EVERYONE!- show up for welfare wedsday it would a million mile line  and might even get someones attention.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:30 | 3106528 NOPOMO
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The sideshow must go on.  For the USD is gone and we will all awake to the reality of the financial disaster in one instant.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:30 | 3106530 Everybodys All ...
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I will not watch anymore interviews, State of The Union, or any other media shows in which Obama speaks. I need no more information about him. In my opinion if you haven't figured out Obama by now you never will.

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