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Reid "Unable To Come Up With Counteroffer... Apart On Some Pretty Big Issues", Hands Over Negotiations To Biden

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The second update of the day is here, and this one is far less jovial and optimistic than that coming from the seemingly quite cluless Lindsey Graham:


Nothing like the fate of the nation in the hands of Joe Biden, who may or may not still be laughing.

More from Bloomberg:

President Barack Obama made a last- minute appeal for compromise as three senators said the chances were greater than 50-50 for a deal to avert more than $600 billion in tax increases and spending cuts scheduled to take effect Jan. 1.


In an interview broadcast today on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Obama warned of “an adverse reaction in the markets” if Congress doesn’t act.


Republicans “say that their biggest priority is making sure that we deal with the deficit in a serious way, but the way they’re behaving is that their only priority is making sure that tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans are protected,” Obama said, adding that his offers to Republicans have been “so fair that a lot of Democrats get mad at me.”


In a statement, House Speaker John Boehner, an Ohio Republican, called Obama’s comments “ironic, as a recurring theme of our negotiations was his unwillingness to agree to anything that would require him to stand up to his own party.”


The president’s interview with NBC was taped yesterday at the White House. At the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue, Senate negotiators from both parties were seeking compromise legislation to prevent at least some of the tax increases and spending cuts from taking effect.


‘Exceedingly Good’


Appearing on “Fox News Sunday,” Senator Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, said the prospects for a deal before Jan. 1 are “exceedingly good.” They will include tax increases on upper-income Americans, he said, and represent a “political victory to the president.”


“Hats off to the president, he won,” Graham said. “He stood his ground. He’s going to get tax rate increases -- maybe not $250,000, but upper-income Americans.”


Graham said the “sad news for the country” is that any deal now won’t address debt and will guarantee a fresh fight over deficit reduction when the debt ceiling debate resurfaces early next year. He called on Republicans to have the “courage of our convictions.”


Senators Charles Schumer, a New York Democrat, and Jon Kyl of Arizona, the Senate’s No. 2 Republican, assessed the odds of a deal before Jan. 1 at better than 50-50. “I think a little higher than that,” Schumer said on ABC’s “This Week,” while Kyl said, “I don’t disagree with Chuck.”


At the same time, Schumer said there are “no breakthroughs yet” by bipartisan negotiators in the Senate. Kyl said there is a “significant effort” by “responsible people on both sides of the aisle” because “if we are not able to reach an agreement, it will be dire.”


‘A Chasm’


Not all senators were as optimistic. Appearing on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Dick Durbin of Illinois, the Senate’s No. 2 Democrat, said, “There’s still a chasm here,” though he declined to say that a deal is impossible. Senator Tom Coburn, on the same program, said the two sides are “far apart.”


Obama said on NBC that “if all else fails,” when a new Congress convenes on Jan. 3 “the first bill that will be introduced on the floor will be to cut taxes on middle-class families.”


Asked about the immediate economic impact of going over the fiscal cliff -- a term used by Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke in February -- the president said, “It’s hard to speculate on the markets, but obviously I think business and investors are going to feel more negative about the economy next year.”


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Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:24 | Link to Comment Larry Dallas
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We're fucked. That's all, folks.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:26 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Give me a break. Going over the cliff is way better than anything these traitors can come up with.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:34 | Link to Comment maxmad
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This fiscal cliff deal is great... It sure beats watching Jay Cutler throw more interceptions.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:39 | Link to Comment maxmad
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Update on the talks:


Biden:  What the hell are we suppose to be talking about?

McConnell:  I have no idea, we are just suppose to watch tv, until they tell us to come outside.  Then we just have to read this script.

Biden:  Cool, lets watch the eagles!

McConnell:  NO!  You got to pick last time.. Let's watch Spice channell

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:06 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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It's my suggestion to dust off Hank "Tanks In The Streets & Martial Law Within 24 Hours If The Debt Ceiling Isn't Eliminated And A Bottomless Soup & Salad Taxdollar Bowl Isn't Extended To Banks/WallStreet/DefenseContractors/HealthInsurers/BigPharma Immediately" Paulson, and let him give a rousing speech that instills faux fear into the CONgress, bitchez.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:29 | Link to Comment sitenine
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“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
-Alexis de Tocqueville

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:44 | Link to Comment negative rates
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I'll trade him a book and a hawthorne painting for that poster he looks at everyday in his office!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 20:32 | Link to Comment Lucius Corneliu...
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Hank Paulson is this generation's Benedict Arnold.  He will go down in history as one of the most dispicable government figures in the history of our Nation.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:12 | Link to Comment maxmad
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Update on the talks:


Biden:  Fine we can watch Spice channel first, then when were done, we can watch the eagles!

McConell:  Hey now that sounds like a compromise!  And they said we couldn't agree on anything!


Biden:  Now for the biggest decision, what should we get on our pizza?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:18 | Link to Comment maxmad
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Update on the talks:


McConnell:  Well you know that I love anything Pork!


Biden;  Hey do you think when we go outside we should hold hands to show solidarity?

McConnell:  I like the way you think, but in my district they might think that I swing for the other team- I unfortunately dont represent San Franciso. 

Biden:  Oh yeah I didn't think about that..

McConnell:  But maybe we could do a fist pump-or something manly like that!  The sheep will believe anything,,,

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:22 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Give me a break. Going over the cliff is way better than anything these traitors can come up with.

Which is why it won't happen.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 18:17 | Link to Comment ToNYC
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How better to prove their incompetence than to do nothing and remove all doubt? It's hard to belive it could be that easy; a Shock Doctrine that didn't automatically only pluck the Un-represented or 99%.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 18:34 | Link to Comment The trend is yo...
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The shysters might only make a few hundred thousand as a salary but the money from long and short options positions has to be in the millions.  They must collude behind closed doors to figure out the best trading strategies

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:28 | Link to Comment SHEEPFUKKER

I'd rather put the the fate of the country in Joe the plumber's hands rather than Joe the Biden. 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:35 | Link to Comment maxmad
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I least joe the plumber knows how to get rid of the sh&* in Washington.. Get the plunger Joe!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:40 | Link to Comment Bad Attitude
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I've got to wonder if Harry Reid would agree to any deal that Joe Biden happened to work out?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 20:26 | Link to Comment ball-and-chain
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We are screwed--for a decade or so.

But America will come back.

These are just rough times.

The world is too much with us.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:25 | Link to Comment Mongo
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So this is what the mayans were talking about... the end of the US

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:31 | Link to Comment akak
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Obviously!  Everyone (who matters) knows that the United States IS the world --- all those other 'furriner' countries are just little colored bits on a map somewhere and aren't really real anyway.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:45 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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100% correct. and I'm a figment of the gentle reader's imagination. get help, gentle reader, get help

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 21:26 | Link to Comment akak
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Did somebody just say something?

Must be more of those imaginary furriners whispering in my mind again.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:25 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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What about a follow up on this ??

CBO Releases Sandy Damage Estimate: At $60.4 Billion, It Would Send US Over The Debt Ceiling

The [Senate] today voted 61-33 for the plan that would pay to clean up debris, repair mass-transit systems, rebuild flooded buildings and myriad other expenses, some only tangentially related to the storm.

While Obama is trying to start a civil war :

President Obama on Sunday said he would make gun control a priority in his new term, pledging to put his “full weight” behind passing new restrictions on firearms in 2013.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:10 | Link to Comment Karlus
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Just like when he focused like a laser on jobs or helped Sandy people. I wont hold my breath

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 17:31 | Link to Comment klockwerks
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Hey Karlus, notice that we have not heard so much as a whisper from the media about how things are going with the victims of sandy. Are they stll living in FEMA tents etc etc. Narry a word, from anyone

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:26 | Link to Comment Jason T
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Biden, the one who said we have to keep spending to keep from going bankrupt?


He's actually right.. it's a ponzi .. too bad, recession that's coming will put another dent in tax revenue reguardless.  Deficits will be a disaster these next 4 years.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:27 | Link to Comment geoffr
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He's just the Senate Majority Leader. Time to hand it off to Biden.

Granted, he hasn't passed a budget in who knows how long now.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:28 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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3 b's bitchez.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:27 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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Good luck Joe. This is a big fucking deal!

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:27 | Link to Comment Waterfallsparkles
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Where is the President?  Isn't he supposed to be the Leader?  Why is he always absent?  It appears like the President has done absolutely nothing to bring this to a resolution.


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:39 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Job #1 for Ob is to loot the Treasury and destroy the USA.  Biden is an insane drunk but he would be light years better than the golfing Mullah.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:42 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Oh he's a Leader alright, and things are being resolved as we speak.........just not in America's favor, traditionally (or Constitutionally) speaking.........

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:55 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Where is the President? Isn't he supposed to be the Leader? Why is he always absent? It appears like the President has done absolutely nothing to bring this to a resolution.

Simple, because he doesn't want it resolved.There is a hidden agenda here,and one none of us will believe even while it is happening.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:28 | Link to Comment Jayda1850
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Tomorrow should be entertaining, make sure to have your popcorn ready.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:37 | Link to Comment TomGa
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You don't think, nah, could it be? No way. But, you know, is it possible, is it just possible that this kabuki theater is intended to set ol' Joe up with a big "presidential looking" stick-save win?  Obama gives "Smilin' Joe" gun control, and now this? Is this laying groundwork for 2016?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:37 | Link to Comment's picture

Just Biden his time.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:35 | Link to Comment Pharming
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Ring ring....ring ring....

"Hello this is Joe."

"Joe, this is Mitch."

"Mitch you son of a bitch."

"Funny Joe, like you haven't used that one every time you see me."

Joe, "So what's up bitch? You sound a little preturbed."

Mitch, "It's Mitch and well it's about this cliff talk...I think it's coming."

Joe, "The only thing coming is in my pants!  Ain't that right judge!....and the problem is?  Listen here bitch.  I've got $1,500 on the Bears this afternoon and this talk about some guy named Clif can wait.  JILL GET YOUR PANTS ON I SAID I NEED A SHOT OF BOURBON NOT A SHOT OF YOUR BUNS!.   Jesus....woman...  Bitch call me back after the futures open at 1600, we'll put out a couple of bull shit press releases and really watch those charts Boehnerize up and down!  Hahaha get it bitch?  Boehnerize!!!"

Mitch, *Click* dial tone..........................................

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:36 | Link to Comment SokPOTUS
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I'd rather be working with Joe the Incompetent than Harry the Assh*le.  Joe might accidentally make some progress.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:37 | Link to Comment Hannibal
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The idiot msm talking heads and some of you doom and gloomers are just not getting it!

Souvereign Govts (US,UK,Jpan etc) that issue their own paper currencies and spending (it) into circulation is NOT a debt but a means (or a tool) for payments and exchange for commerce of all goods and services of a nation. Hence, a souvereign Govt can not go "broke" involuntarely since they can create all the money they need to pay for their bills and obligations.

Everything else is all fluff, politics, fear mongering, lies and misinformation.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:40 | Link to Comment kito
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Is your history revisionist?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:58 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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most history is - you win a war, you get to write it - and then it's clear who was the white hat and who the black one

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:59 | Link to Comment Captain Kurtz
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True story... /sarc

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:25 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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God writes history through the winners He favors. What God wants, God gets; God help us all.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:35 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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"Gott mit Uns!" (God with Us)
Motto on Prussian war flags

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:45 | Link to Comment cherry picker
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If what you write is true, and I have thought the same, why taxes?

If the government can print what it wants, doesn't owe anyone except for the paper, ink and presses, there is no need for any kind of taxes is there?

Maybe that is what the USA should do, outlaw all taxes and just print. 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:46 | Link to Comment magpie
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You will find out when everyone is a millionaire and is taxed as one

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:49 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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the big issue is still how to pay for the goods and services that flow into the USA in excess of the outbound flow

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 20:36 | Link to Comment Lucius Corneliu...
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How much toilet paper will it take to buy an iPhone?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:49 | Link to Comment jim249
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Read up on the Weimer Republic.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:55 | Link to Comment They Tried to S...
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How much Zimbabwe Z$100 trillion banknotes do you have ?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:40 | Link to Comment ZeroFreedom
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Just say NO and move along. What a plan.


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:40 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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When Biden needs financial advice, who does he call............Fiscal Cliff is about to be CORZINED

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:41 | Link to Comment Kaiser Sousa
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"they go'n put ya'll back in chains...."

Joe Biden


WHAT A GREAT COUNTRY THIS IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

disclaimer: Physical Gold and Silver Bitchez........................

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:44 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Corzine can act as the senate's democratic financial advisor. What a combo, Corzine and Biden.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 15:50 | Link to Comment pragmatic hobo
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looks like the GOP is bent on punishing the bottom 47% for daring to vote for obama.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:00 | Link to Comment Atlantis Consigliore
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Vegas boycott anyone:?  Rich say NO Maas!!! No bucks no cocktails no rooms no flights Nothing;

shake up wall street and Reid, bk Las Vegas, ghost town status;

No industry;  send a message.  

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:01 | Link to Comment geno-econ
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If Biden starts with telling some of his " old pappy told me " stories, it may force Congressional leaders to agree to a compromise---just to shut him up or keep him from laughing at his own stories.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:02 | Link to Comment Clowns on Acid
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Bring in the Clowns !

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:03 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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congress will act and make things better [/sarc.]

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:04 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Debt Slave – 2009

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:11 | Link to Comment JustPrintMoreDuh
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I was really starting to get worried there for a moment ... but I feel much more reassured now.  

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:11 | Link to Comment Being Free
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President Barack Obama made a last- minute appeal for compromise ...


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:12 | Link to Comment Everybodys All ...
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Joe Biden? Since when did he become a senator. lol. What a fucking joke. Harry Reid do your job. Seriously. This has got to be a joke. When was the last time a vice president became involved in the bill making process like this ever. Ever. Total disfunction does not even begin to tell the whole story here.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:30 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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The Vice Prez is the "Chairman" or president of the US Senate

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:51 | Link to Comment Everybodys All ...
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I understand the constitutional tie breaking vote mechanism. But they never involve themselves like this and you know damn well what I'm talking about when I say that.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:19 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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O fuck now. It's over Amerika.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:20 | Link to Comment geno-econ
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Better yet, send in Michelle with Biden. If things don't go well, she can sit on Bonner and Cantor until their wimpish grins disappears and give Mitch a bear hug until his eyeballs pop out. Done Deal !

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:22 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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Ringling Brothers are jealous.

Fuck the Idiots in Whore House and Congress.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:24 | Link to Comment Getting Old Sucks
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So, we can't afford a 10% cut across the board.  Man are we fucked.  What are they going to do when they can only pay 50% of the bills and no one is lending?  Yeah, I know, print it.  BUT, you think a Greatest Depression won't start by that?  Eat, Drink, and be Merry my friends.  And if you care about your grandkids, get that gold to them now.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:38 | Link to Comment Joebloinvestor
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We are next by the way.

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:41 | Link to Comment MarcusLCrassus
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Let's go ahead and hit the so called 'fiscal cliff'. 


Both sides agreed to it.

Both sides agreed that we need to cut spending.

Alone it will slash spending and take care of a huge chunk of that deficit. 


News flash: cutting spending is a good thing.


Besides, as our friends on the right love to point out, the government doesn't create any jobs.  So what's the problem? 


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Fix It Again Timmy
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Fuck Biden, the only thing he knows how to do is to catch a train....

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 16:58 | Link to Comment Fix It Again Timmy
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Can you imagine these clueless twits and ass-clowns trying to defend Stalingrad against the invading German 6th army?  Those Russian leaders - they were men....

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 17:05 | Link to Comment foxmuldar
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Wasn't it the Democrats that opposed the Bush tax cut? Now they want to be the party that cuts taxes. I wouldn't expect anything the Democrats to put out in 2013 that cuts taxes. They will want to add other items like raising the debt ceiling another few trillion which will be voted down by the GOP and once again Obama will be pointing his dirty fingers at the GOP as the party that screwed the Middle class. We know better but the average Joe out there is too dumb to see forest amongst the trees. 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 17:08 | Link to Comment John Law Lives
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I sincerely hope these bureaucrats have the good sense to modify Federal Estate Tax Law that is set to be enacted on January 1, 2013.  Taxing estates above $1 million at 55% is nothing more than massive wealth confiscation.  For the record, the bastions of freedom and individual liberty (a.k.a. China and Russia) reportedly do not levy a federal inheritance tax upon their own subjects... whilst Amerika is poised to levy massive inheritance taxes upon its own citizens.

100% FUBAR. 

For the record, Warren Buffett is cordially invited to F.O. re. his views of the Federal Estate Tax.  To heck with that crusty old curmudgeon.



Sun, 12/30/2012 - 17:41 | Link to Comment negative rates
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The gvt was responsible for most of their war created wealth, it's only fair you give back 55% of the profit from that $160 toilet seat dealeo. Or did you forget where that money came from?

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 18:04 | Link to Comment Professor Fate
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Obama won't get actively involved in these talks because when he sits down at a table with intelligent financial debate, his ignorance and incompetence stands out like a sore thumb.  His best use or function is only to hold a pep rally with the likes of David Gegory.  Most people still don't understand what Obama is...what they elected.  Most think he is a politician, a leader,..and a good one.  He is not.  He is a minister.  A preacher.  An orator with a cause.  Great behind a pulpit, he can excite a congregation like few others.  Fill a room with hallelujas and "praise be".  But he possesses no analytical capability to understand or solve economic or financial problems.  People in power like Obama will go to any length not to be found out.  I seriously doubt Obama can make correct change for a dollar on a consistant basis.  And even Biden can do that.   Well, I think he can!  OK...Shit...he can't do it either. 

"Push the Button, Max"

Fate the Magnificent 

Sun, 12/30/2012 - 18:15 | Link to Comment mendolover
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My condolensces Nevada.  I saw your whore senator in the movie 'Traffic' the other day.  Along with some other whores.  Oh they came off as so intellegent and well spoken.  That's because they had a script to read from!

Mon, 12/31/2012 - 02:40 | Link to Comment James-Morrison
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Reid is a dick.
How any American can see a glimmer of hope among our leaders is a testament to how retarded we are as a nation.
We the peep hole.
Honestly, you play ball like a girl.

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