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Boehner Issues Statement

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Moments ago, Boehner voted to enact "Obama's tax cuts", which is the new de facto Bush tax cuts (which expired yesterday), and which will raise the budget deficit over the next decade by $4 trillion, yet which at the same time paradoxically also hiked taxes on nearly three quarters of Americans with an emphasis on the wealthiest 1%. Now, Boehner also issues a statement to advise his constituency just what issue he will cave on next: spending.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) issued the following statement following passage of the Senate agreement on the fiscal cliff:

“The federal government has a spending problem that has led to a $16 trillion national debt that threatens our country’s future.  On the day after the election, I proposed that both parties work together to avert the fiscal cliff in a manner that would ensure 2013 is the year we finally enact entitlement reform and pro-growth tax reform to begin to solve our country’s debt problem.

 

“Now the focus turns to spending.  The American people re-elected a Republican majority in the House, and we will use it in 2013 to hold the president accountable for the ‘balanced’ approach he promised, meaning significant spending cuts and reforms to the entitlement programs that are driving our country deeper and deeper into debt.

 

“Without meaningful reform of entitlements, real spending controls, and a fairer, cleaner tax code, our debt will continue to grow, and our economy will continue to stumble.  Republicans stand for a stronger, more prosperous America, rich in opportunity and free of the debt that threatens our children’s future.  On this New Year’s Day, we renew our commitment to that vision, humbled by the opportunity to serve.”

And just in case anyone is still confused what happened today, the only thing the US voted through today was the Fiscal equivalent of 3 weeks worth of Fed debt monetization. Although at this rate, it is becoming a safe bet the GOP will cave on pretty much everything else too.

 

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Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:42 | 3113963 Jacque Itch
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Shirley you can't be serious...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:45 | 3113973 weyes1
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He's entirely fucking serious, and quit calling him Shirley

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:09 | 3114047 knukles
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Vote's close enough for government work.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:12 | 3114054 THX 1178
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Someone reassure me that "It" will come.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:26 | 3114090 Mr Pink
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Boner should have learned how to negotiate from Clarence Wurley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2omM1kTbOg

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:32 | 3114104 Supernova Born
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Let Obama own the collapse. There is nothing the R's could have done other than serve themselves up as scapegoat kebabs "fully" responsible the continuing depression.

Bernanke is sad too. He wanted the cliff/R to blame for what he knows he can never stop now.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:36 | 3114115 Bindar Dundat
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Old Indian saying:  When deep in hole -- stop digging.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 02:08 | 3114160 economics9698
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Here is my 2 cents worth in a blog I wrote about these useless MF's.

Tyler should print my shit. 

 http://usa-wethepeople.com/2013/01/fascist-america-and-forming-a-new-con...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 03:41 | 3114227 Max in St Moritz
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Wed, 01/02/2013 - 06:30 | 3114326 negative rates
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Barf!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 06:48 | 3114330 rcintc
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We will gladly cut spending Tuesday for a higher tax rate Today!!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 08:20 | 3114384 wagthetails
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Free Beer Tomorrow!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 09:21 | 3114482 SilverIsKing
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You need to raise taxes first before you can cut them.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 07:44 | 3114350 Just Ice
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Econ 9698:  Your blog article was well stated.  Thank you for the link.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 11:13 | 3114781 Pegasus Muse
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Good stuff economics9698 .  Sharing it with friends & family.  Thanks.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 11:28 | 3114832 fattail
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nicely put ....

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 05:35 | 3114290 mt paul
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old white man saying

give them longer handle shovel ..

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 09:42 | 3114513 Chief KnocAHoma
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This spending reduction argument is very much like my weekly argument with two children in my home:

ME - Go clean your room and study before you watch any TV.

(I stroll into the den 15 minutes later to find two children watching sports.)

ME - Did you clean your room and study?

CHILDREN - We'll do it later. Why don't you raise taxes now, then we'll do the dificult work when we feel like it old man.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 09:50 | 3114535 Chief KnocAHoma
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And another thing:

Boner wishes he could get a boner. He is as limp as a ninety year old sock, and less interesting. 

The bottom line, however, is there ain't no solution to this freaking mess. Too many promises, to little real wealth and production, too little road, too few feet, too many cans.

Those smartass children of mine will eventually get one hell of a mess to clean up.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:37 | 3114116 Bunga Bunga
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There is nothing left than kicking the can down the road. And all know it.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:45 | 3114130 Temporalist
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"We're gonna need a bigger boot."

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 02:09 | 3114159 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Payroll taxes going up 2% for everybody.

 

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/129974.html

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 09:29 | 3114494 SilverIsKing
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For those earning more than the $167,843, this is a non-event. This is the point at which the full year FICA payment at 4.2% equals the full year FICA payment at the $113,700 tax limit at 6.2%. For those folks, it will change the timing of their contributions but by the end of the year, they would have contributed the same $7,049.40 regardless of this 2% change in the rate.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 05:06 | 3114272 Sudden Debt
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We have drones and robots for everything... and yet we still need to kick cans ourselves...

 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:34 | 3114111 SafelyGraze
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in order to assume more debt, banks needed tarp

and in order to assume more debt, the us needs more tax revenue

that's the problem with not increasing leverage

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 02:19 | 3114170 Jugdish
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I didn't even have to watch your clip or click on it to know what your getting at. I love you bro. Bro love. Frat bro's for life j/k. Na you da man though. Sicillians and the whole of Southern europe and soon to be lower 48 were spawned by niggers. I'm 26. fuck these boomer assholes.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 04:56 | 3114267 Marginal_Futility
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Totally random comment about Sicilians? What gives holmes?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 05:41 | 3114294 perchprism
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He told you already----he's 26.

 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 11:18 | 3114802 caconhma
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This article makes me laugh my ass off: $4T additional deficit in the next 10 years!? WOW!

I would not be surprised to see it al least 10 times as high.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 12:04 | 3114944 Overfed
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Yes. $ 4trillion moar on top of the other ~$12 trillion that will be accumulated on the debt over the next decade for a grand total of another $16 trilllion. At least.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 07:01 | 3114338 HardAssets
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I just wasted 15 seconds reading The Boners statement. I knew what the damned politician was gonna say beforehand - why read it ?

It comes down to "The American people get screwed over by the insiders . . . again."

It'll keep going like this . . . . till one day it crashes. And then theyll be ready with their next 'solution'.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:09 | 3114024 Mentaliusanything
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No its a true fact ....The Hoover Dam was built over five years from 1930 - 1935.When full its reservoir holds 9.2 trillion gallons of water 

Take a look you bone(er) heads.

Facts are such a bitch

come in the waters FINE BITCHES

Oh and Fuck you Bernake!!!!!

Would it be sarcastic to say start bailing 2 Hover dams Full.... Fuck me America likes work but ....

"This is insane"

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:27 | 3114091 a growing concern
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Looks like you picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:33 | 3114107 Mentaliusanything
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It was not glue. I gave up the booze and craved water.. Lots of water ... so as you see, Water is Wet Facts are Facts and your up shit creek in a barbed wire canoe without a snowballs chance in Hell of bailing this out.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:56 | 3114139 philipat
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I disagree. I think it is actually quite a smart strategy. The Repubs cannot be accused of a tax hike on most Americans and can argue that they have done the right thing for the country. They can now gain the high ground for the Debt ceiling debate. The Repubs position should be, we went along with your tax hikes, now we need the spending cuts. No cuts, no incease in the debt ceiling. Either way, start cutting.

And don't call me Shirley....

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 04:01 | 3114247 Lore
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..."meaning significant spending cuts"..."start cutting"...

Beginning with the F-35 program and bringing the troops home? 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 06:22 | 3114320 philipat
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Yes, I certainly agree that "Defence" (Against whom?) cuts should be part of the mix. The Defence budget is so large that I'm sure 10-20% cut be taken out with very little effort and without cutting into viablity.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 09:06 | 3114462 Burr's 2nd Shot
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It is spelled with an "s" in the country where the cuts will actually occur, comrade.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 11:08 | 3114674 philipat
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The US would actually appear to be the biggest Socialist State these days, certainly in terms of the scale of welfare spending. With a Marxist President, I suppose that should come as no surprise?

Other than that, learn ENGLISH. Comrade. That is MY language NOT yours. Should you wish NOT to make cuts to all items, including defenCe and go bankrupt, please go ahead. It was just a friendly suggestion. That is how Reagan bankrupted The USSA. Sorry, USSR.

 

http://grammarist.com/spelling/defence-defense/

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:18 | 3115415 Burr's 2nd Shot
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My apologies for being inarticulate. What I meant to say was:

Save your opinions on how my government spends my tax dollars, and worry about your own country's impending bankruptcy. It doesn't matter which "c for s substituting" country you live in, they are all collapsing under the weight of their social programs. You may also wish to consider what an omnipresent US military power allows in terms of reduced spending by your own government, and the impact removing such a presence will have on your economic security.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:55 | 3116358 Lore
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Considering the proliferation of US bases and military projection planet-wide, 'Offense' seems equally pertinent, in the spirit of Orwell's "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength": Offence is Defense.

More importantly, the matter of funding all that stuff at this juncture seems more like a RISK to national security than a MEANS.  But that's assuredly a matter for better minds than mine.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 07:18 | 3114343 Lucius Corneliu...
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I think it was a decent move in the chess game.  It really doesn't matter what is done at this point.  Whether by spending cuts or out of control debts, a recession is baked in the cake.  The key point is that whomever is in power will be blamed for it.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 02:00 | 3114146 ball-and-chain
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To Boehner's credit, he hasn't had a good cry lately.

What happened?

That guy used to tear-up if the wind blew too hard.

http://www.angrysinner.blogspot.kr/2013/01/yesterday-dragon-lady-made-beef-and-egg.html

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 06:11 | 3114314 Snoopy the Economist
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((Shirley you can't be serious...))

"Yes I'm serious...and don't call me Shirley".

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:43 | 3113964 ACP
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Fuck you Boner.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:49 | 3113974 wee-weed up
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Boner, you impotent bastard!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:57 | 3114020 ACP
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Here's the translation:

“The federal government has a spending problem that has led to a $16 trillion national debt that threatens our country’s future. But because of the fact that I am a big pussy, and frankly because of the fact that it's not in my best interests to do the right thing, I have decided to push Americans farther down the slippery slope in order to further my political career. The American people re-elected a Republican majority in the House in order to attempt to at least stabilize the national debt, but since printing more money and bribing our cronies and non-working constituents is all we and the Democrats know, we will stay the course and I will personally punish anyone who dares disagree with me. I am humbled by the opportunity to steal from, and destroy the citizens of the United States. If you don't like it, you can suck my dick."

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 08:59 | 3114448 Max Hunter
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Getting screwed by the false left/right paradigm.. Who'd of thunk it?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:04 | 3114036 Unprepared
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Impotent or premature?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:51 | 3114134 wee-weed up
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All bone - no jizz!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 05:16 | 3114279 Disenchanted
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A simple question...was the Senate bill a raising revenue bill?

 

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

 

from Article 1 Section 7 US Constitution

 

Seems to me this whole charade was Constitutionally bass-ackwards.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 06:46 | 3114329 yourfather
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not being a constitutional lawyer, and not being an american, but doing what most americans havent done and spend maybe 5 minutes of my day reading the bill 

 

basically it extends the bush tax cuts, but lets certain things expire.

 

It's not raising revenue, as that would be what occurs if they let it expire - they introduce the American taxpayer relief act 2012 and they call it permanent extension and modification of 2001 and 2003 tax relief - bingo, no raising revenue because they aren't introducing a new tax, they are just letting a specific instrument of legislation exlude 400Ksingles/450Kfamilies from the tax relief.

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/fiscal-cliff-bill-full-text-85644.html

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 08:37 | 3114414 Disenchanted
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Thanks for your reply. I guess it's all a matter of how you interpret it. Some parties seem to think it does raise revenue:

 

 

Camp's counterpart, ranking Democrat Sandy Levin (D-Mich.), hailed the precedent-breaking move of House Republicans to back higher tax rates.

"This legislation breaks the iron barrier that for far too long has prevented additional tax revenues from the very wealthiest," Levin said. "It raises $620 billion in revenue by achieving the President's goal of asking the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans to pay more while protecting 98 percent of families."

 

from: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/275101-senate-fiscal-cliff-deal-in-tr...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 10:42 | 3114671 Abaco
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Dipshit Levin. The gov doesn't "ask" anyone to do anything.  They put a gun to your head and say gve us your money.  If you refuse we will put you in a cage.  If you resist we will shoot you.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 08:45 | 3114423 odatruf
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It did start in the House. The bill number - HR 8 - tells you that. The way things work, there is no real barrier to the Senate going first however.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 09:06 | 3114460 Disenchanted
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Did it not become HR8 AFTER arriving from the Senate?

 

Oh I see what they've done here...the US Senate took a House Bill introduced back in July of 2012 and then worked in their little magic deal. Getting around the Article 1 Section 7 requirement.

 

H.R.8
Latest Title: American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012
Sponsor: Rep Camp, Dave [MI-4] (introduced 7/24/2012)

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:h.r.8:

 

cute...I really shouldn't be suprised though.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 09:54 | 3114547 Disenchanted
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I don't give a damn what sort of flim flam misdirection bullshit they use, as far as I'm concerned what happened over the last couple of days will raise revenue and it originated in the Senate.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:53 | 3114009 Anusocracy
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Of course he issued a statement.

He couldn't say it because he was choking on a mocha colored schlong.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:18 | 3114066 ACP
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The Boner needs to learn how to negotiate. If he worked for SmartTech, they'd be outta bidness by now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmYkt2RkhsI

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 02:14 | 3114167 Larry Dallas
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Fuck this guy Boehner.

What a pussy.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:43 | 3113967 JamesBond
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The Cave Party  =  The GOP

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:24 | 3114081 lunaticfringe
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The GOP is dead money. Like zombies- they and their party faithful just haven't figured it out yet.

Slow learners I suppose. http://thecivillibertarian.blogspot.com/2013/01/gop-folds-like-cheap-sui...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:28 | 3114085 vato poco
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They're all scumbag croks, but I really get offended when someone like Boner gets close to power - of any kind. The guy is a lightweight, drop-case, chrome-plated candyass pussy. Shit, he couldn't be doing a better job for the "opposition party" (LOL) if they put him there themselves. And it ain't like no one could have seen this coming, right? Boner *IS* the guy who bursts into tears over....well....over ANYthing, apparently. A warm spring breeze, a particularly poignant haiku, the House cafeteria being out of Ovaltine or graham crackers, some democrat - ANY democrat - saying unkind things about him.....Such a gentle soul he seems to be. Too beautiful for this ugly world, really.

So naturally, the GOP elected him Speaker. Clueless halfwits led by flaming pussies: your GOP in action. The Dems are _scum_ to be sure, even more foul than the GOP, but at least they try hard to get what they want. (i.e., the complete destruction of the USA & its middle class to please their corporate/banking masters.)

Boner and his entire party reminds me of nothing so much as the moronic submissive housewife/biker chick who is shocked - shocked! - to find the vid of her husband's buddies gangbanging her all over the web. "But they promised no one would see it!!" It's like that.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 05:40 | 3114293 mt paul
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link for video please....

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:38 | 3114120 Harbanger
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Funny how Obama and Harry Reid created the fiscal cliff but now it's spun into the GOP's fault.  Rope-a-dope anyone?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:44 | 3113968 Tsunami Wave
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John Boehner, I hope you lose your speakership and cry about it all night long.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:52 | 3114007 SHEEPFUKKER
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J. Boehner needs some tissues for his issues

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:05 | 3114037 Anusocracy
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Socialists to the left of me, fascists to the right, here I am, stuffed in the middle again.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:39 | 3114121 TBT or not TBT
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Fascism is of the left, not the right.   It is a nationalistic flavor of socialism.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:59 | 3114142 Raymond K Hessel
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What?  I'm drunk but not THAT drunk.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 03:46 | 3114229 Harbanger
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He's right.  As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer.  Many people are misinformed about what fascism is.  Here's an explanation of fascism from the library of economics and liberty.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:28 | 3115175 Anusocracy
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Egalitarianism (proto-socialism) existed in hunterer-gather tribes. Fascism didn't develop until city-states developed where people could create wealth and government could control and use that wealth.

Socialism was the organized response of the hunter-gatherer mind to the hierarchical power structure of developing states: hunter-gatherer alpha-males are control freaks, too.

They are related, but they developed in different cultures and are based on differences in morality. They are the equivalent of different 'species'.

Socialism is more likely a nationalistic flavor of fascism.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:59 | 3116415 TBT or not TBT
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Your last sentence is jsut exactly what I said...    For the rest, yeah our brains are social justice computers designed in hunter-gatherer times, more so for female typical brains than male ones, but it's there in both.   Legitimacy of power.  Fairness.   Property rights.   Etc.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:47 | 3117399 Anusocracy
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You had the order reversed.

Sun Tzu said know yourself know your enemy, kick butt all the time.

I think that is the way to figure out how to undermine the power structure.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:40 | 3114125 Bunga Bunga
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More like squeezed because the central planners are already in the middle.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:41 | 3114127 t0mmyBerg
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You have it backwards.  Fascism will come from the left.  Nothing except perhaps Theocracy is to be feared from the right.  In electing the bolshevik wannabe Obama with his campaign slogan actually lifted right from Comrade Vladimir Ilyich Lenin himself (Forward! Comrades) and a democratic convention that was all agog in its singular pursuit of the glorification of the State, America has become like Japan, a nation that has decided to kill itself for no apparent reason.  I stand aside now and laugh out loud though with sadness and frustration inside.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 02:15 | 3114164 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Fascism is a symptom of government plain and simple. Start up a government, let the elite class manipulate and collude behind the scenes and then in plain view and there you have it.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:00 | 3116420 TBT or not TBT
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A demagogue has to have a demos, so, FAIL.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:07 | 3114042 Unprepared
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... but keep his saffron tan to be easily identified when the SHTF.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:44 | 3113970 j-dub
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Happy New Year America!!!!<sarc off>

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:47 | 3113971 GtownSLV
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Annual deficits of $1 trillion plus a year over 10 years equals $4 trillion addition to the debt... I like the math. Well done congress.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 06:52 | 3114332 yourfather
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i voted this down only because the 4 trillion (3.97 actually) they're specifying is now the revised projection on new budget deficits after the passing of the act. So what was a 1+ trillion deficit also gets 3.97 amortized over 10 years added to it

This is based on CBO forecasts, which we know are about as accurate as a drunk blind man playing darts aiming for a bullseye, but you're blaming the wrong people.

 

 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:45 | 3113975 Rompoculos
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What kind of rat bastard psychotic would play that song right now, at this moment? 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:49 | 3113986 Sylvia Plath
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A republican!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:51 | 3113999 j-dub
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Uhhhhmm-a politician.  That's who.

Who else?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:01 | 3113977 FreeMktFisherMN
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sure, now it is the time to focus on spending, naturally right after the Congress' feet were actually somewhat to the fire of fiscal integrity but they passed the stopgap measure and they've bought two months wherein 'we're saved, like Greece'. More panem et circenses and I'm sure it will be patriotic and expedient to raise the  debt ceiling, because everyone knows the only way to maintain a facade of solvency is to go further into debt.

Boehner is a RINO and I wouldn't be surprised if he were in one of these masonic/knights of templar satanic clubs. He's a catholic and catholics are not Christians. Bible is the truth. There is no 'purgatory,' and the very idea implies that Christ's atonement was not sufficient. And the Catholics teach idolatry and marianic worship when she was a sinner just like you and me. Confess your sins to God. Salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ alone. Get out of that damnable church and turn to the Bible. 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:03 | 3114030 AlaricBalth
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Every time I walk into church (yes, catholic) and I see Jesus hanging from that cross, the first thing that comes to mind is, this is what happens when you fuck with the bankers.

At least Jesus had balls, Boehner and the RINO's do not.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:12 | 3114049 FreeMktFisherMN
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Friend, I urge you to get out of that church. Christianity is believing in Christ that we might be saved. Everything prophecied in the Bible is coming to fruition. I take heart knowing that Christ already giveth us the victory. It will get uglier and uglier temporarily in Satan's momentary reign on this Earth, but Christ will return for His own. 

Be vigilant of deception with all these ecumenical movements from those who pervert the Gospel of Christ. These things are already occurring.  

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:24 | 3114083 AlaricBalth
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All the best to you, FreeMkt Fisher of Men.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 04:04 | 3114249 Raymond Reason
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+1

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:26 | 3114087 weyes1
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Jesus Christ, man...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:57 | 3114140 TPTB_r_TBTF
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The typical Christian response:

 

  • kneel down,
  • wait for a mythical hero-figure to fix things.
Wed, 01/02/2013 - 03:43 | 3114235 Spigot
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Ah! Another hideously ignorant slight. Missed by a mile, though. Tsk!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 07:27 | 3114347 Dr.Engineer
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Jesus had the moral strength to turn over the money changers in the temple who were fleecing the people.  Oh that we Christians had enough of the Holy Spirit to do that.

Please don't mistake our weakness for our leader's strength.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:09 | 3115371 TPTB_r_TBTF
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It is such a shame that an otherwise-peaceful Jesus resorted to this act of violence, and even then, didn't really solve anything...

What is missing from ZeroHedges-favorite-Jesus-story:

'did the money changers come back the next day, or not?'

This act of violence is a blemish on his record, tsk.

But Dr., you are right, leadership is what is missing, from whatever camp.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 11:35 | 3114858 Abaco
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Ignorant Mofo. You don't know what you think you know.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:19 | 3115648 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Not only that ...

I also donT know what you think you know!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:16 | 3114048 tickhound
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That's not a real strategy, is it?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:54 | 3114138 ceilidh_trail
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Freekmtfishermn- u r a bigot. Can u unnerstand wot i rite? God save your hateful soul.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:50 | 3113979 oldman
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Humbled by a lack of intelligence and fortitude-----SOS

But still I am amazed  at how they caved in so quickly---these dudes should be called the Rabbit Party!    Go ahead---vote again in the next election and the next    om

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:47 | 3113980 JamesBond
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We are all 'cave' dwellers now

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZAmmIMzgRs

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:47 | 3113981 fonzannoon
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well i feel better now.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:48 | 3113982 TheLooza
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Someone needs to slap boner around a bit.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:47 | 3113983 ShortTheUS
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So they won't go over the cliff, which would have led to a mild recession. Instead they'll threaten to not raise the debt ceiling, which will lead to default, downgrades, a currency crisis, stock market crash, mass unemployment, civil unrest, and a much deeper recession?

 

This nation is done for...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:51 | 3114002 barliman
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If you are trying for sarcasm, always remember to use the /s tag.

If you believe any of the Kabuki theater from the last month would have in any way prevented your litany of doom ...

... seek professional mental help.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:54 | 3114011 Temporalist
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"seek professional mental help"

That's why I come to ZH

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 03:29 | 3114224 John_Coltrane
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But there is a difference and its all about power.  That's all you have to remember about politicians-they want to be in power.  Polls consistently show people hate any increase in taxes but hate any increase in national debt even more (i.e. Sheep like a free lunch but don't realize they are the lunch).  So when that debt vote comes up it is much easier to vote no-even in the Senate.  People need to understand that if you want a lot of government you have to pay for it one way or another (i.e. taxes and/or inflation (money printing/debt). 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:49 | 3113989 HANKREARDON
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Breaking: Libertarian Party numbers surge (for obvious reasons)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:30 | 3114100 WTFUD
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Daaaah the only thing that surprises me 'bout you libertards is your surprise.

Now you can hang on to those muskets but hand over the Ammo less one bullet per member of household.

Eric Holdemupitty Holder

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 02:20 | 3114172 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Dumbass.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:49 | 3113990 barliman
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As always the acerbic Mark Twain said it best,

"History doe not repeat itself ... but it does rhyme."

Not since Neville "Peace in our time" Chamberlain has any politician revealed himself to be such a dick-sucking, clueless idiot as John "Bone me again!" Boehner has in the past month.

I will presume, consistent with his usual behavior, Speaker Boehner was weeping uncontrollaby while issuing this statement.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:08 | 3114044 ZeroAvatar
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Right!  And Zerobama had dry tears of joy!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 02:01 | 3114148 Raymond K Hessel
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You fucking nailed it.

 

Boehner is the Neville of our time.. HOLY SHIT!

How did I not see it!!!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:49 | 3113991 fonzannoon
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when do the downgrades come? when do those pussy ass ratings agencies speak up. come on bitches, your turn.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:51 | 3114000 Angry White Dude
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They don't. Part of the propoganda machine. See, e.g., Enron, Bear, Lehman, etc.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:03 | 3114031 michiganmaven
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Every time they do a "downgrade" now their offices get raided and they all get arrested...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:40 | 3114126 SaveTheBales
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So, if I have this straight, these guys are too dumb to know when to leave town, but they're going to tell us which investments are safe to buy?  That's nice.  Gimme the gold.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:50 | 3113993 holdbuysell
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Recently from http://www.theburningplatform.com/:

Kyle Bass recently revealed a fact about our government leaders:

“They’re not going to tell you that a collapse is coming. You’re going to have to see it for yourself. The government’s never going to tell you that it’s going to happen. These guys are never going to tell you the truth, because they can’t tell you the truth. Their job is to promote confidence, not to tell you the truth.”


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:13 | 3114060 Jacque Itch
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"When it becomes serious, you have to lie".

Jean-Claude Juncker

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:51 | 3113998 spyware-free
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Michael Corleone for House leader.

"You can have my answer now Senator...my offer is nothing. And I would appreciate it if you personally picked up the fee for the gaming license"

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:51 | 3114001 HANKREARDON
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The GOP left their balls, guts, brains (if any), pride at home.   Did Beohner have to kneel and kiss a ring or was this bill the moral equivalent? 

 

 

What an ass.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:56 | 3114015 HaroldWang
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And now they're all shocked that Congress won't vote on Sandy relief bill passed by Senate. I guess they don't get the way it works. How many were told "vote yes on Fiscal Cliff and you'll get your relief"? Sorry, but you been had.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:56 | 3114016 CrashisOptimistic
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So does anyone IN THE FUCKING UNIVERSE think Boehner will hold out for his spending cuts and push the US into default at the end of February?

This is the problem with caving.  Your opponent CAN'T KNOW if you're serious . . . ever.  Even if he was willing to hold out at the end of February and push things in to default, the Democrats won't believe it.  He has established a precedent now and made it hugely dangerous to actually mean what he says.  They Can't Believe Him.  We WOULD default simply because they would not believe him.  They'd wait for the cave in.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 00:59 | 3114025 fonzannoon
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Crash it's time for your epiphany.....there is no red team or blue team....it's just one team. Go ahead...take a moment. close your eyes...take some deep breaths....and let it happen. 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:33 | 3114105 knukles
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It's officially all over.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:08 | 3114045 JamesBond
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case in point -

obama has already come out saying he wont debate the debt ceiling issue

 

jb

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:35 | 3114114 HurricaneSeason
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Grover Norquist said it was ok for them to pass the bill. He said Boner's plan B would have been ok too.  Grover says when the time comes for the debt ceiling, they can release small amounts of money at a time to get their cuts.  This Grover dude is on the council on foreign relations membership list. I noticed Ron Paul and George Bush II aren't on the membership list, if it is up to date.  Maybe Grover ranks quite a bit higher with the bankers than your average congressman.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:02 | 3114027 Stonedog
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Spineless cretins in both parties...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:16 | 3114064 Anusocracy
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But we need world-fixers to fix the world the world-fixers are destroying.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:02 | 3114028 michiganmaven
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so does this mean he will take Viagra and actually hold the principles that people elected him for? Or will he cave again like a limp dick? 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:03 | 3114032 HD
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The only thing GOP was good for was being obstructionist and they can't even that do that right.  Worthless - every damn one of them.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:04 | 3114033 inevitablecollapse
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••• --- •••

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 02:04 | 3114154 Raymond K Hessel
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If you are what I think you are,

then you'll know when to listen

when to shut up 

and when to pray.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 02:11 | 3114161 Raymond K Hessel
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Am I the only one watching "Die Hard" right now???

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 02:37 | 3114182 Konami Code
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Boehner to Obama: Barry, bubbie... I'm your white knight.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:05 | 3114035 IridiumRebel
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So many preps.
So little time.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:06 | 3114038 fonzannoon
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Did the repubs just do what a lot of us have been saying they should do all along? are they giving O everything he wants? Maybe they know that the faster we drive the bigger and sooner the crash happens? 

Nah...they just totally suck.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:20 | 3114058 Dr. Engali
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They do suck. It really blows to know that there is absolutely no representation for 49% of the country. The republican-democrat party were originally a single party and ,while they pretend to be different, they remain so today.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:31 | 3114103 knukles
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They don't wanna go to the Never-ending Summer Camp of Re-educational Fun #7, either.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:06 | 3114039 q99x2
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Let's see if I got this right. You raise taxes on the poor by $620 billion and you give 4 trillion dollars to the NWO (I assume they can easily rehypothecate the 620) you jump off a cliff and you float up.

There is going to be a helium shortage.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:07 | 3114040 Angry White Dude
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Is anyone really surprised here? To me, this is actually a good sign that we're circling the drain at increasing velocity. The show Congress is able to put on is getting down to the "two" sides arguing over changes at the margins that have the effect of looking like each side is fighting for its half of the rabble but in reality have no meaningful impact on the systemic problems. 

Entitlement spending simply cannot be cut in a meaningful way unless and until the government has done all it thinks it can do to manage the nationwide civil unrest that will result. Methinks the next step is gun control legislation that will be implemented through IRS reporting requirements that will be designed to be incredibly offensive to people in the hopes that people will defy them, thereby setting up an expeditious means by which large swaths of the population will become convicted felons a-la Al Capone, and therefore unable to legally own guns. It will be the perfect Catch-22 - follow the law and give the gov't a laundry list of your guns so they can easily go door to door and confiscate them, or lie about ownership and become an outlaw with a felony record.

 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:20 | 3114071 Anusocracy
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The GOP is circling a brown hole.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:10 | 3114050 Amused2Death
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They were all afraid of the "Markets" reaction, what does that tell you?  They can give less fuck about you and me, about spending and taxes, they can give less fuck about anything and everything in the universe except their only and true god - the markets!  We're fucked, they have us by our balls.  If you can't fight them, might as well join them....

 

 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:21 | 3114074 weyes1
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You get a +1 for your moniker.

Go Postman.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:27 | 3114094 adr
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Join them with what? A meager savings account invested in momo shit like Netflix? Watch the bullshit go to $200 and double my money?

Like doubling my savings will help if I lose my job. It will last maybe a year or so. Then what? Invest pennies I find on the street? Finding another $65k a year job is virtually impossible outside going to medical school and going $150k in debt to work 80 hours a week cleaning up the shit of cancer patients, which isn't my idea of a good job.

You play a fools game, you can only end up a fool.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:10 | 3114051 Critical Path
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The American people re-elected a Republican majority in the House, and we will use it in 2013 to hold the president accountable

 

Or do you mean, roll over like a dog, Mr. Boehner?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:19 | 3114067 JamesBond
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he means bend over like a prison bitch

 

jb

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:13 | 3114055 Temporalist
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OT but more signs of things to come:

Fare warning: It's going to cost more to commute, park in Chicago

"Beginning Jan. 1, drivers will be shelling out more for parking meters in downtown Chicago than any other city in North America.

The cost to park at a metered spot in the Loop will rise to $6.50 an hour from the current $5.75. That’s more than double what people paid to park at meters in the Loop in 2008.

The increase is part of the city of Chicago’s $1.15 billion deal with Chicago Parking Meters LLC. Beginning in 2014, meter increases citywide will be tied to the rate of inflation.

Two weeks later, the Chicago Transit Authority will increase rates on passes used by more than half its bus and rail riders. Seniors, some travelers from O’Hare International Airport, and Soldier Field Express bus riders also will see fare jumps."

http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/17213011-418/fare-warning.html

 

Re: the tying meter increases to the rate of inflation, if that were the case now then actual inflation is well over 15%

 

Forward!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:20 | 3114072 Raymond K Hessel
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Chicago...just like NYC...  a shit hole.

 

I want to secede from the USA.  Fuck this govt.

 

Burp...I'm drunk.

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