Guest Post: Mother, Should I Trust The Government?

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Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform blog,

Mother, do you think they’ll drop the bomb?
Mother, do you think they’ll like this song?
Mother, do you think they’ll try to break my balls?
Ooh ah,
Mother, should I build the wall?

Mother, should I run for president?
Mother, should I trust the government?
Mother, will they put me in the firing line?
Ooh ah,
Is it just a waste of time?

Pink Floyd – Mother

The lyrics to Mother had both a literal and figurative meaning for Roger Waters. He was literally describing his overprotective single mother (his father was killed in World War II) building walls to protect him from the outside world. The figurative meaning is Big Mother sending its boys off to war and using fear to control and manipulate the masses. At the time he wrote this song in 1979, the Soviet Union was thought to be at its peak of power and the Berlin Wall represented a boundary between good and evil. Nuclear war was still a looming fear. Waters has always had a dim view of totalitarian states and institutions (English schools). Having seen his Wall Tour performance this past summer at Citizens Bank Park with a diverse crowd of 40,000, ranging in age from senior citizens to teenagers, it seems this song has gained new meaning. He sang a duet with himself from 1980 projected on the Wall and when he sang the lyric, “Mother, should I trust the government?” the entire stadium responded in unison – NO!!! This revealed a truth that is not permitted to be discussed by the corporate mainstream media acting as a mouthpiece for the ruling class. A growing legion of citizens in this country does not trust the government. This is very perceptive on their part.

In part one of this two part series – Hey You – I examined how an invisible government of wealthy, power hungry men have utilized the propaganda techniques of Edward Bernays and lured the American people into a narcissistic, techno-gadget, debt based servitude. Over the last one hundred years they have created a totalitarian state built upon egotism, material goods, and fulfilling our desires through Wall Street peddled debt and mass consumerism. It has been an incredibly effective form of control that has convinced the masses to love their servitude. The ruling oligarchs correctly chose the painless, amusement saturated, soft totalitarianism of Huxley’s Brave New World over the fearful, pain inflicting, surveillance state, house of horrors detailed in Orwell’s 1984.

“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” Aldous Huxley – Brave New World

The nefarious establishment of the Federal Reserve in 1913, launch of welfare programs in the 1930s, expansion of the entitlement state in the 1960s, creation of the credit card in 1970, mass media marketing propaganda, and the formation of an empire of debt laid the foundation for a society based on triviality, egotism, irrelevance and mass delusion. The conscious manipulation of the habits and opinions of the masses by an invisible government of powerful men using media propaganda and easy to access consumer credit has reached its mathematical limit. The oligarchs built a society dependent upon exponential growth. This unsustainable prototype began to show signs of strain in the 1990s. The powerful interests have been growing ever more desperate and blatantly obvious in their looting and pillaging of the debt bloated carcass of a country. They used their control of the political system to repeal Glass-Steagall, allowing the Wall Street banking cabal to become Too Big to Control. The oligarch puppets at the Wall Street controlled Federal Reserve did the bidding of their masters by reducing interest rates and expanding the money supply to create two epic bubbles.

The bubble was created by Wall Street utilizing hype and misinformation to fleece millions into believing we had entered a new paradigm. The only people who got rich were the Wall Street hucksters, shysters and shills.

When the bubble burst, Alan Greenspan came to the rescue, at the urging of Nobel prize winner Paul Krugman, by creating the largest banker made bubble in the history of the world. The combination of excessively low mortgage rates, complete lack of regulatory oversight by the Federal Reserve, control fraud committed by the Wall Street banks, and buying frenzy stirred up by the corporate MSM and NAR, led to the biggest financial collapse since 1929.

The white collared psychopathic criminals on Wall Street reaped billions in profits, paid themselves millions in bonuses, and cost taxpayers trillions when it all blew up in 2008. The ruling elite have added $6 trillion to our national debt and their central banker has added another $2 trillion to our ultimate tab, while providing free money to their Wall Street bank owners. They realize their efforts to restart the exponential growth engine have failed. They gutted our productive manufacturing based economic system by shipping the blue collar jobs overseas to Chinese slave labor facilities, replaced workers with machines, stimulated consumption with unlimited distribution of high interest debt, and allowed conglomerates to drive small business owners out of business with their cheap foreign sourced goods, all in the name of capitalism. The plan worked so well that real wages haven’t risen in 40 years, inflation has destroyed the purchasing power of the middle class, 47.7 million people are dependent on food stamps to survive, and the masses can’t even afford the cheap slave labor produced trinkets anymore. There is too little cash, too few jobs, too much debt, too many takers, too few makers, too many bankers, too much delusion, and too few resources to sustain the unsustainable. We have entered the end stages of a ravenous locust swarm. The fields have been stripped barren.

When the men in smoke filled rooms realized their soft totalitarianism was losing its grip on the oblivious, submissive, egoistical, distracted masses, they began phase two of their effort to retain their wealth, power and control. They began to institute Orwellian measures to strike fear into the populace. Their illusion of control is dissipating and they are resorting to force in order to maintain hegemony. It began with the immediate passage of the Orwellian Patriot Act one month after 9/11. Did the corporate media question how a 363 page all-encompassing expansion of police state power was written in a few weeks after 9/11 and passed by October 26? They did not. The bill was pre-written and ready for instant implementation when the time was right. The Orwellian version of America was launched.

“If the ideology had been a lie, then they are not heroes and gods on earth, but monsters and criminals, and their life has been self-serving and meaningless, without significance and honor. And that is the credibility trap. It is the impulse for the leaders to keep doubling down in the hope of a win, until exhaustion and collapse.” – Jesse       

Obedience to Authority

“Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.”  - Stanley Milgram – Obediance to Authority


Just as Edward Bernays knew the unruly masses could be manipulated by propaganda and molded to believe whatever the small group of intellectually superior men wanted them to believe, conditioning using fear and authoritarian methods have also been perfected by the ruling class. Doctor Stanley Milgram unwittingly provided the oligarchs with confirmation the average citizen could be ordered to do anything by invoking expertise and authority over their subjects. Milgram started his experiments in 1961, shortly after the trial of the World War II criminal Adolph Eichmann had begun. Eichmann’s defense that he was simply following orders when he exterminated millions of Jews roused Milgram’s interest. How could millions of Germans participate and condone such genocide? Milgram’s testing suggested that it could have been that the millions of accomplices were merely following orders, despite violating their deepest moral beliefs.

Writer Kendra Cherry describes the experiment:

The participants in the Milgram experiment were 40 men recruited using newspaper ads. Milgram developed an intimidating shock generator, with shock levels starting at 30 volts and increasing in 15-volt increments all the way up to 450 volts. The many switches were labeled with terms including “slight shock,” “moderate shock” and “danger: severe shock.” The final two switches were labeled simply with an ominous “XXX.”

Each participant took the role of a “teacher” who would then deliver a shock to the “student” every time an incorrect answer was produced. While the participant believed that he was delivering real shocks to the student, the student was actually a confederate in the experiment who was simply pretending to be shocked.

As the experiment progressed, the participant would hear the learner plead to be released or even complain about a heart condition. Once the 300-volt level had been reached, the learner banged on the wall and demanded to be released. Beyond this point, the learner became completely silent and refused to answer any more questions. The experimenter then instructed the participant to treat this silence as an incorrect response and deliver a further shock.

Most participants asked the experimenter whether they should continue. The experimenter issued a series of commands to prod the participant along:

    • “Please continue.”
    • “The experiment requires that you continue.”
    • “It is absolutely essential that you continue.”
    • “You have no other choice, you must go on.”

The level of shock that the participant was willing to deliver was used as the measure of obedience. How far do you think that most participants were willing to go? When Milgram posed this question to a group of Yale University students, it was predicted that no more than 3 out of 100 participants would deliver the maximum shock. In reality, 65% of the participants in Milgram’s study delivered the maximum shocks.

Of the 40 participants in the study, 26 delivered the maximum shocks while 14 stopped before reaching the highest levels. It is important to note that many of the subjects became extremely agitated, distraught and angry at the experimenter. Yet they continued to follow orders all the way to the end. Why did so many of the participants in this experiment perform a seemingly sadistic act on the instruction of an authority figure? According to Milgram, there are a number of situational factors that can explain such high levels of obedience:

    • The physical presence of an authority figure dramatically increased compliance.
    • The fact that the study was sponsored by Yale (a trusted and authoritative academic institution) led many participants to believe that the experiment must be safe.
    • The selection of teacher and learner status seemed random.
    • Participants assumed that the experimenter was a competent expert.
    • The shocks were said to be painful, not dangerous.

The American people have been participants in their very own Milgram experiment being conducted by their government since 9/11. Since the passage of the Patriot Act, the government continues to demand that its citizens increase the voltage in the name of security. Since 2001, the Orwellian measures have included:

  • Warrantless domestic surveillance.
  • The ability to search telephone calls, emails, financial matters especially involving foreign individuals, and medical records for people who are “suspected” of endangering the country.
  • Color coded risk levels designed to keep citizens fearful of non-existent terrorists.
  • Pre-emptive invasion of foreign countries.
  • Committing U.S. forces to war without a declaration of war by Congress as mandated in the U.S. Constitution.
  • Assassination of people on presidential kill lists.
  • Extermination of “suspected” enemies by predator drones.
  • Camera systems monitoring the movements of Americans in cites and streets across the United States.
  • Torture of detainees in camps outside of the United States.
  • The authority to indefinitely detain America citizens without trial.
  • Executive orders giving the President the ability to unilaterally disregard the U.S. Constitution and take control of private industries.
  • Use of drones to monitor the activities of American citizens.
  • Allowing the very bankers that destroyed the worldwide economic system to blackmail the American taxpayers into handing them $700 billion.
  • Not prosecuting one Wall Street criminal after the largest Ponzi control fraud in the history of the world.
  • Cameras and listening devices on public transit and other public locations.
  • Military exercises conducted in U.S. cities in order to condition the masses.
  • Attempts to control and censor the internet through the introduction of the SOPA bill.
  • The use of tragic mass murders by mentally defective young men on psychotropic drugs to disregard the 2nd Amendment and disarm American citizens.
  • TSA thugs molesting little old ladies and young children to desensitize citizens to gestapo like tactics and treat them like criminals.
  • Government partnering with Facebook, Apple and other corporate entities to monitor, censor, and report the activities of citizens to the authorities.
  • The use of public schools to teach children what to think rather than how to think. Thought control is vital to an agenda of keeping the masses fearful and pliable.
  • Government agencies (FBI, ATF) creating terrorist plots, luring young dupes into the plots, providing fake explosives, and then announcing with great fanfare they have foiled a terrorist plot.
  • “See something, Say something” government media campaign designed to make citizens paranoid and fearful.

Just as Milgram pondered how the German people could follow the orders of those in authority to slaughter millions, one must ponder how the American people have allowed those in power to strip us of our Constitutional freedoms and liberties in the name of safety and security. They have conditioned the masses to passively accept their fate by utilizing fear, authoritarian measures, thought control, and propaganda. Human beings never change. They have been driven by emotions throughout history – fear, greed, love and hate. There will always be psychopathic men who seek wealth, power, glory and control. It happened during the decline of the Roman Empire and it is happening today during the decline of the American Empire.

“A shocking crime was committed on the unscrupulous initiative of few individuals, with the blessing of more, and amid the passive acquiescence of all.”Tacitus

Big Brother is Watching You

“Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know what no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”George Orwell – 1984


What the average person can’t seem to process through their government public school educated non-critical thinking brains is that there are actually a small group of bankers, politicians, corporate executives, media magnets, and shadowy billionaires who call the shots in this country. They constitute Bernays’ invisible government, run the show, mold the minds, form the opinions, suggest the ideas, and create the reality for the masses because they believe they are intellectually superior. The left/right and Democrat/Republican discord is a planned diversion for the masses. The country has devolved into a corporate fascist warfare/welfare state. We are clearly moving in the direction of Orwell’s state in which government monitors and controls every aspect of human life to the extent that even having a disloyal thought will be against the law. The longer this is allowed to progress the more likely any effort to resist like Winston Smith will be met with brutal measures.

The parallels to Orwell dystopian nightmare state grow by the day. Those in control use technology to bombard Americans with psychological inducements designed to overwhelm the mind’s capability for autonomous thought. In Orwell’s 1984 the giant telescreen in every citizen’s room blasts a constant stream of propaganda designed to make the failures and shortcomings of the Party appear to be triumphant successes. In Obama’s 2013 the 72 inch Chinese made HDTVs in every McMansion blasts a constant stream of propaganda designed to make the zombie-like occupants buy trinkets and gadgets with a thin piece of plastic and makes the failures in Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt and Libya appear to be triumphant successes. Our corporate/fascist party uses their control over the media message to indoctrinate and control the public mind through propaganda and repetitive messaging. In Orwell’s world, the Party undermines family structure by inducting children into an organization called the Junior Spies, which brainwashes and encourages them to spy on their parents and report any instance of disloyalty to the Party. In our world children are indoctrinated in government run public schools that fill their brains with government manufactured history, social engineering claptrap and what they should think, rather than how to think. The Orwellian Department of Homeland Security (Thought Police) instructs them to report anyone they think is suspicious with their “See something, Say something” campaign. Children are “encouraged” to re-educate their parents about green energy and global warming. Corporations fund schools to advertise their products within the hallways of learning. The outputs of this corporate/fascist partnership are non-critical thinking, functionally illiterate, willfully ignorant Proles who obey the Party and consume products as instructed.

In Orwell’s 1984 the Party keeps the population in a general state of exhaustion by making them work long grueling hours at government run agencies. This was designed to keep them from thinking or having the energy to resist. About one in six workers work for the government in the United States, with a substantial portion of private jobs dependent upon government largesse. The true distinction in our society can be seen in the income levels over decades of our own Inner Party, Outer Party and Proles.

income percentile

The government educated masses were purposely not taught about the impact of Federal Reserve created inflation on their lives. Even using the government manipulated CPI, the real household incomes of the masses have barely risen in the last forty five years. Using a true measure of inflation, the real household incomes of the average family have fallen. In addition, prior to the 1980s those household incomes were predominantly provided with one parent working and the other raising the children. Today the vast majority of households require both parents to work in order to just tread water. Child rearing was delegated to the state and parents have been kept in a constant state of exhaustion, like hamsters in a cage on a spinning wheel. Household income was replaced by credit card debt, mortgage debt, auto debt, and student loan debt peddled by our very own Inner Party (Wall Street bankers). The Inner Party members have seen their incomes soar over the last four decades. This was not an accident.

As those at the top accumulate an ever increasing percentage of the national wealth, while consolidating their power through ever more sophisticated use of technology for surveillance, warfare, and financial theft; urban decay and blight spreads across the land. Totalitarian regimes are ferociously effective at augmenting their own power and wretchedly incompetent at providing for their citizens. Just as the London in Orwell’s dystopian world was a decrepit, rundown city in which buildings were crumbling, amenities such as elevators never worked, and basics such as electricity and plumbing were exceedingly undependable, the urban killing fields that are home to tens of millions in the United States are dangerous, disintegrating, hallowed out carcasses of once thriving metropolises. Hunger, poverty, crumbling infrastructure, and violence are the earmarks of society for the Proles. True unemployment exceeds 20%, with youth and minority unemployment exceeding 40%. There are 47.7 million Americans subsisting on food stamps (program administered by JP Morgan), accounting for 20% of all the households in the country.

The incompetency and mismanagement by our totalitarian governing body is evident for all to see, as bridges collapse, water mains burst, gas lines explode, mass transit shuts down and structures deteriorate due to decades of neglect. The priorities of those in power are clearly visible as they spend trillions on weapons used to attack sovereign countries, distribute billions in “aid” to foreign dictators, provide trillions to the criminal banking cabal on Wall Street, and devote billions to technology designed to monitor and control their citizens. Our entire rotting, fetid, bloated, corrupt society has about reached its limits. It is only a matter of time until it implodes like the former Soviet Union.

Diminishing returns of ever-increasing complexity addressed with ever-more layers of complexity, larded with systematic lying based on mystifying, opaque jargon, sanctioned statistical misreporting, felonious cronyism, and scuttling of the rule of law. In short, the markets have been taken over in effect by a criminal racketeering syndicate. In doing this, so much resilience has been removed from these market structures that they are riddled with rot, like a mansion infested with carpenter ants.” – Jim Kunstler

We Have Always Been at War with Eastasia

Hush now baby, baby, don’t you cry.
Mamma’s gonna make all of your nightmares come true,
Mamma’s gonna put all of her fears into you,
Mamma’s gonna keep you right here, under her wing.

  She won’t let you fly, but she might let you sing,
Mamma’s gonna keep baby cozy and warm.
Oooh babe, Oooh babe, Oooh babe,
Of course Mamma’s gonna help build the wall.

Pink Floyd – Mother

The concepts of Doublethink and Newspeak are alive and well in our increasingly Orwellian society. The massive long-term campaign of large-scale psychological manipulation, described in detail by Edward Bernays in 1928, has succeeded in breaking down the capacity for independent thought by the masses. Those in control of the media have molded the minds of millions to believe anything the government tells them, even while possessing information that runs counter to what they are being told. On the eve of the invasion of Iraq, the government and their media propaganda mouthpieces had convinced 69% of the American public that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 9/11 attacks, even though there wasn’t a shred of evidence to support that claim. The storyline of Iraqi soldiers murdering Kuwaiti babies in their incubators during the first Gulf War was another example of propaganda designed to manipulate public opinion. By controlling the media message, those in power control the present and can manipulate the past. The government controls the curriculum in public schools and writes our history to conform to whatever storyline that supports their agenda. With 20% of the adult population in this country functionally illiterate, the formulation of ideas or critical thought is virtually impossible for these people. This is exactly what is desired by the ruling class.

The outrageous example of Doublethink in Orwell’s 1984 occurs during the Hate Week rally.  The Party shifts its diplomatic allegiance, so the nation it has been at war with suddenly becomes its ally (Eurasia), and its former ally becomes its new enemy (Eastasia). When the Party speaker suddenly changes the nation he refers to as an enemy in the middle of his speech, the crowd accepts his words immediately, and is ashamed to find that it has made the wrong signs for the event. The American people have been programmed to accept the same logic from our leaders. Saddam Hussein was our ally when he was fighting our enemy Iran, who had been our ally ever since we had overthrown their democratically elected leader in the 1950s. Then he became our enemy for using weapons of mass destruction, provided to him by the U.S., on his own people and threatening our control over Middle Eastern oil. Osama bin Laden was our ally when he was fighting our mortal enemy, the Soviet Union. Then he became our mortal enemy because we refused to leave Saudi Arabia after the first Gulf War. Ghadafi was our sworn enemy after blowing up an airliner filled with Americans, until he helped us after 9/11 and became an ally. Then he became an enemy again for fighting to maintain his dictatorship. Mubarak was an ally for decades as we provided him billions in military hardware so he could brutally maintain control. Then he became an enemy when we decided he was no longer of use. Do you get the picture?

Do you see any parallels between Orwell’s Ministry of Plenty (oversees economic shortages); the Ministry of Peace (wages war); the Ministry of Truth (conducts propaganda and historical revisionism); and the Ministry of Love (the center of the Party’s operations of torture and punishment) and our Department of Agriculture, Department of Defense, Department of Education, and Department of Homeland Security?  

“In our age there is no such thing as ‘keeping out of politics.’ All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia. The very concept of objective truth is fading out of the world. Lies will pass into history.”George Orwell

Should I Trust the Government?

So the oligarchs have utilized all the plays in Huxley’s playbook and are half way through Orwell’s playbook, but they are rapidly losing their credibility as a small minority of critical thinking people is using the internet to spread the truth and form phyles with like-minded citizens with similar values based on liberty and freedom. The political system is broken beyond repair as $2 billion was spent during this last “election” to maintain the status quo. The looting and pillaging of the middle class continues, while the poor are kept controlled, sedated and enslaved by entitlements, debt, drugs and prisons. The financial system is succumbing to the mountains of debt that have been accumulated trying to keep the game going. In the last ten years worldwide total credit market debt, on balance sheets, sovereign obligations, corporate debt, household debt – has grown from $80 trillion to just over $200 trillion. U.S. unfunded liabilities committed to by the politician parasites that pass for our representatives surpass $200 trillion. There are $1.2 quadrillion of interconnected derivatives outstanding in the world today, 20 times the size of the worldwide economy. The accumulation of worldwide debt, aging developed country populations, depletion of resources, perpetual war, financial fraud and rampant corruption are going to lead to a collapse of epic proportions. It may not happen in 2013, but it will happen within the next five years. Jesse explains why the status quo will never relinquish their power, illegally acquired wealth and control without a fight:

“A credibility trap is a condition wherein the financial, political and informational functions of a society have been compromised by corruption and fraud, so that the leadership cannot effectively reform, or even honestly address, the problems of that system without impairing and implicating, at least incidentally, a broad swath of the power structure, including them. The status quo tolerates the corruption and the fraud because they have profited at least indirectly from it, and would like to continue to do so. Even the impulse to reform within the power structure is susceptible to various forms of soft blackmail and coercion by the system that maintains and rewards.

And so a failed policy and its support system become self-sustaining, long after it is seen by objective observers to have failed. In its failure it is counterproductive, and an impediment to recovery in the real economy. Admitting failure is not an option for the thought leaders who receive their power from that system.  The continuity of the structural hierarchy must therefore be maintained at all costs, even to the point of becoming a painfully obvious hypocrisy.”

The people of this country must regain a sense of responsibility for their lives and the lives of future generations. Enough people need to perceive they are being manipulated, controlled and used by the thought leaders and awaken from their narcissistic materialistic debt financed lives. Our culture has failed. The animosity and anger in the country is beginning to bubble over. The masses are beginning to realize they have been screwed. They haven’t figured out who to blame because they are still trapped in the Republican/Democrat false dogma. There is one Party putting on a show, as displayed this week with the fiscal cliff farce, as the government controlled media proclaimed victory because the status quo was maintained, nothing was cut, and $4 trillion was added to the National Debt. More people need to question and challenge the authorities. We must cast aside our willful ignorance of facts and accept the consequences of decades of bad decisions and delusions of grandeur. More government is not the answer. We must break free of the conditioning and mind control used to make us love our servitude and trust those in power.

Kyle Bass recently revealed a fact about our government leaders:

“They’re not going to tell you that a collapse is coming. You’re going to have to see it for yourself. The government’s never going to tell you that it’s going to happen. These guys are never going to tell you the truth, because they can’t tell you the truth. Their job is to promote confidence, not to tell you the truth.”

We need more people to respond to Roger Waters’ question, “Mother, should I trust the government?” with this answer before we can begin to tear down the wall that seemed too high.

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”George Orwell


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ricky2's picture

If there's any hope, it lies in the proles...

Zer0head's picture

good ol' Jim raging against the machine

Michaelwiseguy's picture

MSM TV news reporters are the new #1 enemy of the American people and the people are turning them all off.

Sean Hannity lost roughly half of his audience

Two of the top conservative commentators on Fox News saw their ratings plummet after Barack Obama’s re-election victory in November. According to Nielsen, Bill O’Reilly’s numbers dropped by nearly a third, while Sean Hannity lost roughly half of his audience by the end of 2012.

Pure Evil's picture

Learn to love big sis/brother.

Resistance is futile, you will be absorbed into the collective.

knukles's picture

Bernays astonishingly simple insight; how to best motivate the individual to fill the hole in his soul with materiality, the inequities of selfishness and tyranny over others, completing the vicious cycle of the salving of one's own ego.
More becomes better, there is never enough, for whatever it is one accumulates, it works not for it no way builds character, peace and serenity, but instead creates an addiction to false perceptions and illusions of one's own creation which nag at the conscience as fear and resentments.

devo's picture

I watched the Century of Self, too.

Bawneee Fwank's picture

So everyone can watch it...I assume most here have watched it though.

The Century Of The Self


AldousHuxley's picture

never trust an entity which demand % of your money instead of flat fee for service:

  • church
  • banks
  • government
nmewn's picture is a flat voluntary 10%...always has been, always will be. And there is no demand for it.

Banks & government who steadily devalue that 10%, not so much.

Check your premises.

Likstane's picture

Is 8% or 12% voluntary?  Why is there a number attached to a voluntary contribution?  Why don't you check your logic? 

AldousHuxley's picture

whatever the % is, they sure save a lot by not having to have to pay taxes on their revenue as "non-profit"


also if you want historical proof, go to europe to see what mere 10% can build.....largest cathedrals known to man!

Michaelwiseguy's picture

New video for you're viewing pleasure;

National Security Alert - The 9/11 Pentagon Event   P.S. There's a lot of pretty good info in this ZH article. You should go back and read it if you have not done so already.
EnslavethechildrenforBen's picture

Obama makes Hitler seem like a nice guy.

Likstane's picture

How do you know I don't live by one of those monstrous cathedrals?  Check the Crystal cathedral in SC.  My argument is not that cathedrals are built, but that Mnemn makes the case that somehow 10% extracted by some sort of rule is somehow an exception to your comment.  What church is he talking about?  If he wants to base his percentage on OT Hebrew contributions to the temple/Levitcal order, then he should use a more appropriate percentage of approx 35 percent.  No where in the NT(supposed guidebook for Christians) is a tithe(10%) mentioned.  If he is going to tell people to check their premises, maybe he should check his also.   BTW I gave your original comment a greenie


nmewn's picture

"My argument is not that cathedrals are built, but that Mnemn makes the case that somehow 10% extracted by some sort of rule is somehow an exception to your comment. What church is he talking about?"

What part of voluntary ARE you having a direct problem with...exactly...when comparing government & banks to a church/religion? Is the church governed by one law or man's ever changing, like the wind, malleable laws with interest? 

Tithe means 10%...old english, you know this already, you said it. And in case you haven't noticed...I'm an Old Testament kind of guy.

I'm not some fairy dancing on the head of a philosophical pin, I call it like I see it...there is no comparison between government/banks with the church, in the age of EBT transference.

Two very different things, check YOUR premises.

Likstane's picture

I'll stay wiyh Huxleys statement.  Never trust any organization that extracts 10%.  By your admission, the OT church was required to give 10% at a minimum.  If you add up the rest of the festival offerings, temple taxes, freewill offerings, it comes out to at least 30%.  If you are such an OT guy adhering to OT rules, you are not a voluntary giver, but an adherant of the Law.  Those who live by the Law will die by the Law. 

nmewn's picture

You can say with whatever you like, its still (barely) a free country (if you're even in this country) and government & banks extracts a helluva lot more than 10%.

I have zero idea what you're talking about...what the hell is a temple tax and festival offerings?...never paid them...never was asked or forced to pay them.

If you're sittin around thinkin I'm a Wiccan or some other damned New Age crystal worshipping moron you're sadly mistaken.

Likstane's picture

You are a government worshipping moron because you still believe the official government explanation for 9-11.

lasvegaspersona's picture


There is enough evidence to indict the government for passing unconstiturional laws in violation os their oaths that 9-11 does not even need to be part of the discussion. It is a loosing topic. Like religion it will not be resolved nor will a majority agree. We must not let these issues divide us now. If 9-11 was an inside job we need to regain control of our systems to do anything about it. For now it must sit. Some may wish to pursue 9-11 and expose errors in the official story but if you sees these errors why would you disparage another who has other interests, perhaps the economy, perhaps gun rights or other injustices? We need addition in our efforts. We must not smear others just because they have not come around to our vision yet. People arrive at the truth by different paths. 

nmewn's picture

ROTFL!!! you're just clutching at straws.

But we've finally gotten to the bottom of your displeasure with my comments, haven't we Likstane? in argument over the very simple concepts of voluntary vs mandatory, tithing vs taxation, truths vs fictions, religion vs government.

I suppose next you'll be promoting the idea that Catholics (or whoever) have armed guards at the church door, checking religious passports, forcing people to empty their pockets before entry? ;-)


Mike in GA's picture

@aldoushuxley 20:48

built to last over 1000 years

they got a lot of bang for their buck back then

StychoKiller's picture

As ye believe, so is it done unto you.  If you think you can afford to give 10% or you do NOT think you can afford it, you're right in either case.  He who has eyes, let him read! (and hopefully, understand...)

rayduh4life's picture

I'd have to add atty's to that list.

If money is the root of all evil, why are churches always begging for it?

Another observation:  The TSA makes everyone of us  take off our shoes because one guy tried and failed to set off a bomb in his shoe.  Then you finally get on the plane and over the pa you are told to turn off your computers, cell phones etc. because they could bring down the plane and This is completely on the honor system.  Things that make you go Hmmmm?????

Seer's picture

"always will be."

So, if you absolutely know the future then maybe you can tell us how this all turns out?

No gods, no masters...

HardAssets's picture

" never trust an entity which demand % of your money instead of flat fee for service"

Never trust anyone who considers raping you a 'service'

northerngirl's picture

The Church I attend does not demand a % of my income.  They do not even suggest % to donate.

lewy14's picture

I disagree, knukles. Not sure that "materiality" has much to do with it.

What people do - they understand the world by perceiving the chaotic stream of events and actions in their life as "narrative". This is how human beings understand anything - they make a story of it.

The center of the story is the individual, and the story is about how awesome and virtuous that individual is.

Sometimes it's because the individual is awesome because his own rugged self (libertarian/capitalist). Or about how the individual belongs to the virtuous worker class (marxist/socialist). Or about how the individual belongs to the superior race or nation (various).

All of these stories contain the "other", whom it is OK to expropriate, and who the individual is superior to.

Quinn has his narrative that he sells. Yves Smith has hers at Naked Capitalism. Infowars have theirs. Lot's of commonality but lots of mutual excommunication as well. Then there's the slightly more mainstream alternative media (Brietbart/PJMedia/Kos/TPM/HuffPo).

No movements. All buseness models, peddling narrative.*

This analysis applies equally to those who believe they chose to take the red pill or the blue pill. It applies equally to those who took vows of poverty, or those who took vows to serve Mammon.

*(I make exception for ZeroHedge, because it admits many different narratives, and holds them in unobserved, uncollapsed superposition. This is pretty unique and perhaps the only escape from the conundrum: you have to understand the world through narrative, but it is impossible not to be misled by narrative.)

SAT 800's picture

Ah, an actual educated person. Bravo. I would up tick you several times; but i'm sure we both live in narratives where that is meaningless.

centerline's picture

There are more motivations than awesomeness.  And materialism feeds many of them - not unlike any other addiction in many cases.  Just saying.  +1 from me for furthering the conversation into a really interesting place.

Seer's picture


"All of these stories contain the "other", whom it is OK to expropriate, and who the individual is superior to."

At the fundamental level of deception for survival one HAS to make the assertion of superiority in order to justify one's survival.  As you note, the stories are everywhere, and they're institutionalized in governments and churches (in their doctrines).

But, really, THE problem IS about illegals/bankers/politicians/gays/Muslims, not about securing resources! </sarc>

Simplifiedfrisbee's picture

Should I clap now or continue enjoying the spectacle of the show? Or are we somehow disconnected from feeding the circus?

Radical Marijuana's picture

Yeah, DoChenRollingBearing, although we have learned to expect DavidPierre to repeat his criticisms, I find that this overall article by Jim Quinn to be so excellent that it would be hard to be critical of it in any of the similar ways that I too have indugled in, when provoked by some of Quinn's previous articles.

One of the astonishing side-effects of things getting blatantly so bad is that even a somewhat more mainstream view is forced to come to similar conclusions as the more radical would. Indeed, the audience for the wilder ideas is growing so fast that the wildest proponents of those ideas from previous decades are starting to sound almost mainstream.

Welcome to the revolving Bizarro Mirror World! Not only is everything proportionately backwards and distorted, but also the different people are exchanging places faster! Ironically, if we get to the point where the runaway insanities finally do cause collapse into chaos, then the most radical ideas from the past may suddenly find themselves being catapaulted into the mainstream rush of events ...

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

Rad M, maybe I should have been less flip, as I too like Quinn.  As bearish as Jim Willie CB.

Cheesy Bastard's picture

Not to mention that Quinn beat the living crap out of DavidPierre in the comments section of his last post.  Nicely done, Jim!

StychoKiller's picture

So, when do the Lizard people strip off their masks?

Seer's picture

Be more proactive!  Start eating people; when you taste lizard you KNOW you've hit one!

Seer's picture

"if we get to the point where the runaway insanities finally do cause collapse into chaos"

Given that the system is totally unsustainable (perpetual growth on a finite planet) I'd think that the use of the words "runaway" and "insanities" are unnecessary.

I could also debate as to whether the current state of things doesn't more closely resemble "chaos" than any future, post state will/would.

And about the word "mainstream"... I think that it is ONLY really a word tool for control.

Anyway, green arrow...

DavidPierre's picture

But… But… But !!!

Mother, should anyone trust the SmokeyQUINN?

9/11 Is the Litmus Test

DavidPierre's picture

Better late than never!'s picture



9/11 Is the Litmus Test


Those who doubt the role of Bigfoot and his magic UFO in 9/11 are undeniably in the pay of Mossad.

Radical Marijuana's picture

Dear Crockett:

9/11 Is the Litmus Test regarding common sense and physics about believing that steel frame buildings could just suddenly collapse, WITHOUT controlled demolition being the explanation.

I watched the archival videos about how the World Trade Center Building were constructed.


There is nothing like UFOs nor Bigfoot with respect to understanding STEEL FRAME BUILDINGS!

I watched the videos about how those buildings just suddenly collapsed. There is NO sane explanation other than controlled demolition.

Exactly HOW we may never know for sure, since the evidence was summarily destroyed. No proper crime scene investigations were ever conducted, and now that can not be done. Therefore, I am not sure about exactly how it was done. However, the idea that a steel frame building can collapse due to ordinary fires makes as much common sense as that your iron grill melts when you are cooking. I.e., absolutely NONE. To believe the official story about 9/11 one has to believe things which completely contradict the laws of physics, and the properties of material like steel.

Once one faces the fact that 9/11 MUST have had controlled demolitions, then one MUST face the fact that it was an inside job, which means it was a false flag attack ... One could then spend hundreds of hours watching dozens of videos to put the pieces of the puzzle together in plausible ways regarding the FACT that 9/11 was a inside job. I have done that: 9/11

9/11 is a litmus test with respect to people's opinions regarding everything else, because, it becomes blatantly obvious that 9/11 MUST have been an inside job, IF one is willing to look at the evidence regarding the construction, and the demolition of those buildings. Reasonable debate can be engaged in with respect to the details. However, there is no reasonable doubt that 9/11 was a false flag attack, and the FACT that those who did that could get away with doing that is a FACT that is many orders of magnitude MORE terrifying than believing 19 Muslim "terrorists" did 9/11, because it becomes probable, if not obvious, that the whole world is controlled by huge lies, backed up with lots of violence, and that 9/11 deliberately started wars, in order to prepare for world war, and that 9/11 symbolized the deliberate destruction of the American economy, by people who have the power to carry that through!

Anyone who still believes the official story about 9/11 is either some kind of political idiot, or working for those who actually were behind making 9/11 happen. (I can understand people who do not believe the lies, but have personal, practical reasons to NOT publicly state their view of the truth. However, that is just another aspect of the litmus test.)

David Pierre appears to be upset with Jim Quinn because Quinn refuses to admit that 9/11 must have been an inside job. ... I am kind of beyond that, since I have become nearly 100% objectively depressed that there is no reasonable doubt that there WILL be genocidal wars, along with democidal martial law, and I already presume that I will likely be murdered when that happens ... Furthermore, I believe there is nothing that I could do to prevent nor prepare for that happening.

I believe that the world is controlled by the people who were the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence. I believe they are going for broke to consolidate their system as a world government. I believe they are able and willing to start more wars, and impose martial law, and that they WILL do that! My understanding of who they probably are, and how and why they evolved to be who they are, and therefore, what kinds of psychology and social habits they have, has been gradually developing for quite a while.

From my point of view Quinn's article above was at least 90% correct. I would quibble about how he explains the war against Libya. Quinn says "Ghadafi was our sworn enemy after blowing up an airliner filled with Americans, until he helped us after 9/11 and became an ally. Then he became an enemy again for fighting to maintain his dictatorship."

In my opinion, the best explanations for all those kinds of events revolve around the international banksters' power to make money out of nothing as debts. They plan on consolidating a global hegemony that can do that. The work by historian Carroll Quigley is some of the best to understand that. NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE REAL WORLD THAN WHAT THE POWER TO MAKE "MONEY" OUT OF NOTHING REPRESENTS!

The ability to covertly take control of governments, in order to privatize and legalize counterfeiting their currency, and have governments enforce that fraud, is the supreme form of "wealth." That constitutes a combined money/murder system. In order to understand 9/11, one has to understand how mass murder makes some people become more powerful, and more able to engage in more mass murders, while becoming even more wealthy and powerful from doing that! The real world system is a runaway fascist plutocracy juggernaut, and that system staged 9/11 to advance its interests. That system is the dominant system, which has been developing for thousands of years, and which has been picking up speed at an exponential rate!

Furthermore, I assert that when one understands WHY the real world is a system of organized lies, operating organized robberies, one then understands why that MUST be the case. Therefore, one's "solutions" to social and political problems become far more radical than the superficial "9/11 Truth." My assertions are that we should evolve better murder systems, in order to enable better money systems. I do not believe it is possible to stop the runaway fascist plutocracy system. There is no way to compete with the group of trillionaire mass murders that control the world today. In my opinion the people who actually did 9/11 already have a de facto sovereign immunity. However, I believe that it MAY be possible to push them past where they would have otherwise have stopped.

I tend to believe we need the emergence of a better ruling elite than what we have now. I tend to believe that we should democratize the death controls, in order to democratize the debt controls. I am interested in a series of scientific revolutions. My view of the depth of the litmus test aspect regarding 9/11 opinions goes far beyond what most of the current 9/11 Truth groups do, since they are almost totally what I call "reactionary revolutionaries" who still want the return to impossible ideals, as the way to solve the problems created by a runaway gang of criminals controlling the world, to the degree that those criminals have become a "breakaway civilization."

I now accept the FACT that there is necessarily a combined money/murder system, and that the money is backed by murder. My views are that we should radically transform how that is done, through deeper paradigm shifts with respect to both militarism and the monetary system. ... However, to return to basics, I believe that nobody who still believes the official story about 9/11 can possibly understand the reality of what is happening in the global financial system. Although I found this article by Quinn to be at least 90% correct, I felt is was still way too superficial regarding how bad that reality IS!!!

DavidPierre's picture

My sustained applause echoes off the mountains and across Shuswap Lake.

Quinn is still way too superficial regarding how bad that reality IS.

TY RM !!!

SmokeyQuinn is now my useful idiot after 4 years of confronting him online.

43 years ago I left the Nazi State of the USSA.

Quinn gives me an excuse to vent my old spleen.

I use him for my mirth, yea, for my laughter.'s picture

Quinn likely employs you as a physic.'s picture



There is nothing like UFOs nor Bigfoot with respect to understanding STEEL FRAME BUILDINGS!


That's what I would expect a Truth denier to say.


HardAssets's picture

James Corbett interview with geophysicist and expert in seismic analysis, Andre Rousseau.. His conclusion after studying the seismic record is that 9-11 was caused by explosives. The buildings could not have been brought down by the aircraft:

HardAssets's picture

I hope you, and others who have come to similiar conclusions, are empowered by them. When there is nothing to lose we should be emboldened.  As that ass Keynes said "In the long run . . . we are all dead."

There is a race between memes. Will enough look at (and choose to recognize) the way the world is . . . before we are led into a new global totalitarian feudal Dark Age ?

When reading here on ZH - I think . . . 'maybe'

When talking to people daily in my own circle of acquaintances/family/friends (who usually try to avoid thinking about this reality at all) - I think . . . . 'we are in deep trouble'

Oh well, - the only 'games' worth playing -- are those for meaningful stakes.

I am angry & saddened for the youngsters - whose parents and grandparents and great-grandparents never took the actions needed to prevent the chilldren from having to survive in such a world. They should be given a chance.

Seer's picture

"I am angry & saddened for the youngsters - whose parents and grandparents and great-grandparents never took the actions needed to prevent the chilldren from having to survive in such a world."

Always look to apply your energies in meaningful ways.  One can only do what one can do.  If you see it then do something about it, even if it may seem small- it's about walking the talk.

If parents and grandparents weren't sufficiently aware (to the point of being self-compelled) then one cannot really lash out at them.  One could argue that their programming has been more "successful" (we, on the other hand, are the real "rejects").  Anyways, it's spilled milk; nows the time to DO.