Guest Post: Mother, Should I Trust The Government?

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Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform blog,

Mother, do you think they’ll drop the bomb?
Mother, do you think they’ll like this song?
Mother, do you think they’ll try to break my balls?
Ooh ah,
Mother, should I build the wall?

Mother, should I run for president?
Mother, should I trust the government?
Mother, will they put me in the firing line?
Ooh ah,
Is it just a waste of time?

Pink Floyd – Mother

The lyrics to Mother had both a literal and figurative meaning for Roger Waters. He was literally describing his overprotective single mother (his father was killed in World War II) building walls to protect him from the outside world. The figurative meaning is Big Mother sending its boys off to war and using fear to control and manipulate the masses. At the time he wrote this song in 1979, the Soviet Union was thought to be at its peak of power and the Berlin Wall represented a boundary between good and evil. Nuclear war was still a looming fear. Waters has always had a dim view of totalitarian states and institutions (English schools). Having seen his Wall Tour performance this past summer at Citizens Bank Park with a diverse crowd of 40,000, ranging in age from senior citizens to teenagers, it seems this song has gained new meaning. He sang a duet with himself from 1980 projected on the Wall and when he sang the lyric, “Mother, should I trust the government?” the entire stadium responded in unison – NO!!! This revealed a truth that is not permitted to be discussed by the corporate mainstream media acting as a mouthpiece for the ruling class. A growing legion of citizens in this country does not trust the government. This is very perceptive on their part.

In part one of this two part series – Hey You – I examined how an invisible government of wealthy, power hungry men have utilized the propaganda techniques of Edward Bernays and lured the American people into a narcissistic, techno-gadget, debt based servitude. Over the last one hundred years they have created a totalitarian state built upon egotism, material goods, and fulfilling our desires through Wall Street peddled debt and mass consumerism. It has been an incredibly effective form of control that has convinced the masses to love their servitude. The ruling oligarchs correctly chose the painless, amusement saturated, soft totalitarianism of Huxley’s Brave New World over the fearful, pain inflicting, surveillance state, house of horrors detailed in Orwell’s 1984.

“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” Aldous Huxley – Brave New World

The nefarious establishment of the Federal Reserve in 1913, launch of welfare programs in the 1930s, expansion of the entitlement state in the 1960s, creation of the credit card in 1970, mass media marketing propaganda, and the formation of an empire of debt laid the foundation for a society based on triviality, egotism, irrelevance and mass delusion. The conscious manipulation of the habits and opinions of the masses by an invisible government of powerful men using media propaganda and easy to access consumer credit has reached its mathematical limit. The oligarchs built a society dependent upon exponential growth. This unsustainable prototype began to show signs of strain in the 1990s. The powerful interests have been growing ever more desperate and blatantly obvious in their looting and pillaging of the debt bloated carcass of a country. They used their control of the political system to repeal Glass-Steagall, allowing the Wall Street banking cabal to become Too Big to Control. The oligarch puppets at the Wall Street controlled Federal Reserve did the bidding of their masters by reducing interest rates and expanding the money supply to create two epic bubbles.

The bubble was created by Wall Street utilizing hype and misinformation to fleece millions into believing we had entered a new paradigm. The only people who got rich were the Wall Street hucksters, shysters and shills.

When the bubble burst, Alan Greenspan came to the rescue, at the urging of Nobel prize winner Paul Krugman, by creating the largest banker made bubble in the history of the world. The combination of excessively low mortgage rates, complete lack of regulatory oversight by the Federal Reserve, control fraud committed by the Wall Street banks, and buying frenzy stirred up by the corporate MSM and NAR, led to the biggest financial collapse since 1929.

The white collared psychopathic criminals on Wall Street reaped billions in profits, paid themselves millions in bonuses, and cost taxpayers trillions when it all blew up in 2008. The ruling elite have added $6 trillion to our national debt and their central banker has added another $2 trillion to our ultimate tab, while providing free money to their Wall Street bank owners. They realize their efforts to restart the exponential growth engine have failed. They gutted our productive manufacturing based economic system by shipping the blue collar jobs overseas to Chinese slave labor facilities, replaced workers with machines, stimulated consumption with unlimited distribution of high interest debt, and allowed conglomerates to drive small business owners out of business with their cheap foreign sourced goods, all in the name of capitalism. The plan worked so well that real wages haven’t risen in 40 years, inflation has destroyed the purchasing power of the middle class, 47.7 million people are dependent on food stamps to survive, and the masses can’t even afford the cheap slave labor produced trinkets anymore. There is too little cash, too few jobs, too much debt, too many takers, too few makers, too many bankers, too much delusion, and too few resources to sustain the unsustainable. We have entered the end stages of a ravenous locust swarm. The fields have been stripped barren.

When the men in smoke filled rooms realized their soft totalitarianism was losing its grip on the oblivious, submissive, egoistical, distracted masses, they began phase two of their effort to retain their wealth, power and control. They began to institute Orwellian measures to strike fear into the populace. Their illusion of control is dissipating and they are resorting to force in order to maintain hegemony. It began with the immediate passage of the Orwellian Patriot Act one month after 9/11. Did the corporate media question how a 363 page all-encompassing expansion of police state power was written in a few weeks after 9/11 and passed by October 26? They did not. The bill was pre-written and ready for instant implementation when the time was right. The Orwellian version of America was launched.

“If the ideology had been a lie, then they are not heroes and gods on earth, but monsters and criminals, and their life has been self-serving and meaningless, without significance and honor. And that is the credibility trap. It is the impulse for the leaders to keep doubling down in the hope of a win, until exhaustion and collapse.” – Jesse       

Obedience to Authority

“Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.”  - Stanley Milgram – Obediance to Authority


Just as Edward Bernays knew the unruly masses could be manipulated by propaganda and molded to believe whatever the small group of intellectually superior men wanted them to believe, conditioning using fear and authoritarian methods have also been perfected by the ruling class. Doctor Stanley Milgram unwittingly provided the oligarchs with confirmation the average citizen could be ordered to do anything by invoking expertise and authority over their subjects. Milgram started his experiments in 1961, shortly after the trial of the World War II criminal Adolph Eichmann had begun. Eichmann’s defense that he was simply following orders when he exterminated millions of Jews roused Milgram’s interest. How could millions of Germans participate and condone such genocide? Milgram’s testing suggested that it could have been that the millions of accomplices were merely following orders, despite violating their deepest moral beliefs.

Writer Kendra Cherry describes the experiment:

The participants in the Milgram experiment were 40 men recruited using newspaper ads. Milgram developed an intimidating shock generator, with shock levels starting at 30 volts and increasing in 15-volt increments all the way up to 450 volts. The many switches were labeled with terms including “slight shock,” “moderate shock” and “danger: severe shock.” The final two switches were labeled simply with an ominous “XXX.”

Each participant took the role of a “teacher” who would then deliver a shock to the “student” every time an incorrect answer was produced. While the participant believed that he was delivering real shocks to the student, the student was actually a confederate in the experiment who was simply pretending to be shocked.

As the experiment progressed, the participant would hear the learner plead to be released or even complain about a heart condition. Once the 300-volt level had been reached, the learner banged on the wall and demanded to be released. Beyond this point, the learner became completely silent and refused to answer any more questions. The experimenter then instructed the participant to treat this silence as an incorrect response and deliver a further shock.

Most participants asked the experimenter whether they should continue. The experimenter issued a series of commands to prod the participant along:

    • “Please continue.”
    • “The experiment requires that you continue.”
    • “It is absolutely essential that you continue.”
    • “You have no other choice, you must go on.”

The level of shock that the participant was willing to deliver was used as the measure of obedience. How far do you think that most participants were willing to go? When Milgram posed this question to a group of Yale University students, it was predicted that no more than 3 out of 100 participants would deliver the maximum shock. In reality, 65% of the participants in Milgram’s study delivered the maximum shocks.

Of the 40 participants in the study, 26 delivered the maximum shocks while 14 stopped before reaching the highest levels. It is important to note that many of the subjects became extremely agitated, distraught and angry at the experimenter. Yet they continued to follow orders all the way to the end. Why did so many of the participants in this experiment perform a seemingly sadistic act on the instruction of an authority figure? According to Milgram, there are a number of situational factors that can explain such high levels of obedience:

    • The physical presence of an authority figure dramatically increased compliance.
    • The fact that the study was sponsored by Yale (a trusted and authoritative academic institution) led many participants to believe that the experiment must be safe.
    • The selection of teacher and learner status seemed random.
    • Participants assumed that the experimenter was a competent expert.
    • The shocks were said to be painful, not dangerous.

The American people have been participants in their very own Milgram experiment being conducted by their government since 9/11. Since the passage of the Patriot Act, the government continues to demand that its citizens increase the voltage in the name of security. Since 2001, the Orwellian measures have included:

  • Warrantless domestic surveillance.
  • The ability to search telephone calls, emails, financial matters especially involving foreign individuals, and medical records for people who are “suspected” of endangering the country.
  • Color coded risk levels designed to keep citizens fearful of non-existent terrorists.
  • Pre-emptive invasion of foreign countries.
  • Committing U.S. forces to war without a declaration of war by Congress as mandated in the U.S. Constitution.
  • Assassination of people on presidential kill lists.
  • Extermination of “suspected” enemies by predator drones.
  • Camera systems monitoring the movements of Americans in cites and streets across the United States.
  • Torture of detainees in camps outside of the United States.
  • The authority to indefinitely detain America citizens without trial.
  • Executive orders giving the President the ability to unilaterally disregard the U.S. Constitution and take control of private industries.
  • Use of drones to monitor the activities of American citizens.
  • Allowing the very bankers that destroyed the worldwide economic system to blackmail the American taxpayers into handing them $700 billion.
  • Not prosecuting one Wall Street criminal after the largest Ponzi control fraud in the history of the world.
  • Cameras and listening devices on public transit and other public locations.
  • Military exercises conducted in U.S. cities in order to condition the masses.
  • Attempts to control and censor the internet through the introduction of the SOPA bill.
  • The use of tragic mass murders by mentally defective young men on psychotropic drugs to disregard the 2nd Amendment and disarm American citizens.
  • TSA thugs molesting little old ladies and young children to desensitize citizens to gestapo like tactics and treat them like criminals.
  • Government partnering with Facebook, Apple and other corporate entities to monitor, censor, and report the activities of citizens to the authorities.
  • The use of public schools to teach children what to think rather than how to think. Thought control is vital to an agenda of keeping the masses fearful and pliable.
  • Government agencies (FBI, ATF) creating terrorist plots, luring young dupes into the plots, providing fake explosives, and then announcing with great fanfare they have foiled a terrorist plot.
  • “See something, Say something” government media campaign designed to make citizens paranoid and fearful.

Just as Milgram pondered how the German people could follow the orders of those in authority to slaughter millions, one must ponder how the American people have allowed those in power to strip us of our Constitutional freedoms and liberties in the name of safety and security. They have conditioned the masses to passively accept their fate by utilizing fear, authoritarian measures, thought control, and propaganda. Human beings never change. They have been driven by emotions throughout history – fear, greed, love and hate. There will always be psychopathic men who seek wealth, power, glory and control. It happened during the decline of the Roman Empire and it is happening today during the decline of the American Empire.

“A shocking crime was committed on the unscrupulous initiative of few individuals, with the blessing of more, and amid the passive acquiescence of all.”Tacitus

Big Brother is Watching You

“Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know what no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”George Orwell – 1984


What the average person can’t seem to process through their government public school educated non-critical thinking brains is that there are actually a small group of bankers, politicians, corporate executives, media magnets, and shadowy billionaires who call the shots in this country. They constitute Bernays’ invisible government, run the show, mold the minds, form the opinions, suggest the ideas, and create the reality for the masses because they believe they are intellectually superior. The left/right and Democrat/Republican discord is a planned diversion for the masses. The country has devolved into a corporate fascist warfare/welfare state. We are clearly moving in the direction of Orwell’s state in which government monitors and controls every aspect of human life to the extent that even having a disloyal thought will be against the law. The longer this is allowed to progress the more likely any effort to resist like Winston Smith will be met with brutal measures.

The parallels to Orwell dystopian nightmare state grow by the day. Those in control use technology to bombard Americans with psychological inducements designed to overwhelm the mind’s capability for autonomous thought. In Orwell’s 1984 the giant telescreen in every citizen’s room blasts a constant stream of propaganda designed to make the failures and shortcomings of the Party appear to be triumphant successes. In Obama’s 2013 the 72 inch Chinese made HDTVs in every McMansion blasts a constant stream of propaganda designed to make the zombie-like occupants buy trinkets and gadgets with a thin piece of plastic and makes the failures in Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt and Libya appear to be triumphant successes. Our corporate/fascist party uses their control over the media message to indoctrinate and control the public mind through propaganda and repetitive messaging. In Orwell’s world, the Party undermines family structure by inducting children into an organization called the Junior Spies, which brainwashes and encourages them to spy on their parents and report any instance of disloyalty to the Party. In our world children are indoctrinated in government run public schools that fill their brains with government manufactured history, social engineering claptrap and what they should think, rather than how to think. The Orwellian Department of Homeland Security (Thought Police) instructs them to report anyone they think is suspicious with their “See something, Say something” campaign. Children are “encouraged” to re-educate their parents about green energy and global warming. Corporations fund schools to advertise their products within the hallways of learning. The outputs of this corporate/fascist partnership are non-critical thinking, functionally illiterate, willfully ignorant Proles who obey the Party and consume products as instructed.

In Orwell’s 1984 the Party keeps the population in a general state of exhaustion by making them work long grueling hours at government run agencies. This was designed to keep them from thinking or having the energy to resist. About one in six workers work for the government in the United States, with a substantial portion of private jobs dependent upon government largesse. The true distinction in our society can be seen in the income levels over decades of our own Inner Party, Outer Party and Proles.

income percentile

The government educated masses were purposely not taught about the impact of Federal Reserve created inflation on their lives. Even using the government manipulated CPI, the real household incomes of the masses have barely risen in the last forty five years. Using a true measure of inflation, the real household incomes of the average family have fallen. In addition, prior to the 1980s those household incomes were predominantly provided with one parent working and the other raising the children. Today the vast majority of households require both parents to work in order to just tread water. Child rearing was delegated to the state and parents have been kept in a constant state of exhaustion, like hamsters in a cage on a spinning wheel. Household income was replaced by credit card debt, mortgage debt, auto debt, and student loan debt peddled by our very own Inner Party (Wall Street bankers). The Inner Party members have seen their incomes soar over the last four decades. This was not an accident.

As those at the top accumulate an ever increasing percentage of the national wealth, while consolidating their power through ever more sophisticated use of technology for surveillance, warfare, and financial theft; urban decay and blight spreads across the land. Totalitarian regimes are ferociously effective at augmenting their own power and wretchedly incompetent at providing for their citizens. Just as the London in Orwell’s dystopian world was a decrepit, rundown city in which buildings were crumbling, amenities such as elevators never worked, and basics such as electricity and plumbing were exceedingly undependable, the urban killing fields that are home to tens of millions in the United States are dangerous, disintegrating, hallowed out carcasses of once thriving metropolises. Hunger, poverty, crumbling infrastructure, and violence are the earmarks of society for the Proles. True unemployment exceeds 20%, with youth and minority unemployment exceeding 40%. There are 47.7 million Americans subsisting on food stamps (program administered by JP Morgan), accounting for 20% of all the households in the country.

The incompetency and mismanagement by our totalitarian governing body is evident for all to see, as bridges collapse, water mains burst, gas lines explode, mass transit shuts down and structures deteriorate due to decades of neglect. The priorities of those in power are clearly visible as they spend trillions on weapons used to attack sovereign countries, distribute billions in “aid” to foreign dictators, provide trillions to the criminal banking cabal on Wall Street, and devote billions to technology designed to monitor and control their citizens. Our entire rotting, fetid, bloated, corrupt society has about reached its limits. It is only a matter of time until it implodes like the former Soviet Union.

Diminishing returns of ever-increasing complexity addressed with ever-more layers of complexity, larded with systematic lying based on mystifying, opaque jargon, sanctioned statistical misreporting, felonious cronyism, and scuttling of the rule of law. In short, the markets have been taken over in effect by a criminal racketeering syndicate. In doing this, so much resilience has been removed from these market structures that they are riddled with rot, like a mansion infested with carpenter ants.” – Jim Kunstler

We Have Always Been at War with Eastasia

Hush now baby, baby, don’t you cry.
Mamma’s gonna make all of your nightmares come true,
Mamma’s gonna put all of her fears into you,
Mamma’s gonna keep you right here, under her wing.

  She won’t let you fly, but she might let you sing,
Mamma’s gonna keep baby cozy and warm.
Oooh babe, Oooh babe, Oooh babe,
Of course Mamma’s gonna help build the wall.

Pink Floyd – Mother

The concepts of Doublethink and Newspeak are alive and well in our increasingly Orwellian society. The massive long-term campaign of large-scale psychological manipulation, described in detail by Edward Bernays in 1928, has succeeded in breaking down the capacity for independent thought by the masses. Those in control of the media have molded the minds of millions to believe anything the government tells them, even while possessing information that runs counter to what they are being told. On the eve of the invasion of Iraq, the government and their media propaganda mouthpieces had convinced 69% of the American public that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 9/11 attacks, even though there wasn’t a shred of evidence to support that claim. The storyline of Iraqi soldiers murdering Kuwaiti babies in their incubators during the first Gulf War was another example of propaganda designed to manipulate public opinion. By controlling the media message, those in power control the present and can manipulate the past. The government controls the curriculum in public schools and writes our history to conform to whatever storyline that supports their agenda. With 20% of the adult population in this country functionally illiterate, the formulation of ideas or critical thought is virtually impossible for these people. This is exactly what is desired by the ruling class.

The outrageous example of Doublethink in Orwell’s 1984 occurs during the Hate Week rally.  The Party shifts its diplomatic allegiance, so the nation it has been at war with suddenly becomes its ally (Eurasia), and its former ally becomes its new enemy (Eastasia). When the Party speaker suddenly changes the nation he refers to as an enemy in the middle of his speech, the crowd accepts his words immediately, and is ashamed to find that it has made the wrong signs for the event. The American people have been programmed to accept the same logic from our leaders. Saddam Hussein was our ally when he was fighting our enemy Iran, who had been our ally ever since we had overthrown their democratically elected leader in the 1950s. Then he became our enemy for using weapons of mass destruction, provided to him by the U.S., on his own people and threatening our control over Middle Eastern oil. Osama bin Laden was our ally when he was fighting our mortal enemy, the Soviet Union. Then he became our mortal enemy because we refused to leave Saudi Arabia after the first Gulf War. Ghadafi was our sworn enemy after blowing up an airliner filled with Americans, until he helped us after 9/11 and became an ally. Then he became an enemy again for fighting to maintain his dictatorship. Mubarak was an ally for decades as we provided him billions in military hardware so he could brutally maintain control. Then he became an enemy when we decided he was no longer of use. Do you get the picture?

Do you see any parallels between Orwell’s Ministry of Plenty (oversees economic shortages); the Ministry of Peace (wages war); the Ministry of Truth (conducts propaganda and historical revisionism); and the Ministry of Love (the center of the Party’s operations of torture and punishment) and our Department of Agriculture, Department of Defense, Department of Education, and Department of Homeland Security?  

“In our age there is no such thing as ‘keeping out of politics.’ All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia. The very concept of objective truth is fading out of the world. Lies will pass into history.”George Orwell

Should I Trust the Government?

So the oligarchs have utilized all the plays in Huxley’s playbook and are half way through Orwell’s playbook, but they are rapidly losing their credibility as a small minority of critical thinking people is using the internet to spread the truth and form phyles with like-minded citizens with similar values based on liberty and freedom. The political system is broken beyond repair as $2 billion was spent during this last “election” to maintain the status quo. The looting and pillaging of the middle class continues, while the poor are kept controlled, sedated and enslaved by entitlements, debt, drugs and prisons. The financial system is succumbing to the mountains of debt that have been accumulated trying to keep the game going. In the last ten years worldwide total credit market debt, on balance sheets, sovereign obligations, corporate debt, household debt – has grown from $80 trillion to just over $200 trillion. U.S. unfunded liabilities committed to by the politician parasites that pass for our representatives surpass $200 trillion. There are $1.2 quadrillion of interconnected derivatives outstanding in the world today, 20 times the size of the worldwide economy. The accumulation of worldwide debt, aging developed country populations, depletion of resources, perpetual war, financial fraud and rampant corruption are going to lead to a collapse of epic proportions. It may not happen in 2013, but it will happen within the next five years. Jesse explains why the status quo will never relinquish their power, illegally acquired wealth and control without a fight:

“A credibility trap is a condition wherein the financial, political and informational functions of a society have been compromised by corruption and fraud, so that the leadership cannot effectively reform, or even honestly address, the problems of that system without impairing and implicating, at least incidentally, a broad swath of the power structure, including them. The status quo tolerates the corruption and the fraud because they have profited at least indirectly from it, and would like to continue to do so. Even the impulse to reform within the power structure is susceptible to various forms of soft blackmail and coercion by the system that maintains and rewards.

And so a failed policy and its support system become self-sustaining, long after it is seen by objective observers to have failed. In its failure it is counterproductive, and an impediment to recovery in the real economy. Admitting failure is not an option for the thought leaders who receive their power from that system.  The continuity of the structural hierarchy must therefore be maintained at all costs, even to the point of becoming a painfully obvious hypocrisy.”

The people of this country must regain a sense of responsibility for their lives and the lives of future generations. Enough people need to perceive they are being manipulated, controlled and used by the thought leaders and awaken from their narcissistic materialistic debt financed lives. Our culture has failed. The animosity and anger in the country is beginning to bubble over. The masses are beginning to realize they have been screwed. They haven’t figured out who to blame because they are still trapped in the Republican/Democrat false dogma. There is one Party putting on a show, as displayed this week with the fiscal cliff farce, as the government controlled media proclaimed victory because the status quo was maintained, nothing was cut, and $4 trillion was added to the National Debt. More people need to question and challenge the authorities. We must cast aside our willful ignorance of facts and accept the consequences of decades of bad decisions and delusions of grandeur. More government is not the answer. We must break free of the conditioning and mind control used to make us love our servitude and trust those in power.

Kyle Bass recently revealed a fact about our government leaders:

“They’re not going to tell you that a collapse is coming. You’re going to have to see it for yourself. The government’s never going to tell you that it’s going to happen. These guys are never going to tell you the truth, because they can’t tell you the truth. Their job is to promote confidence, not to tell you the truth.”

We need more people to respond to Roger Waters’ question, “Mother, should I trust the government?” with this answer before we can begin to tear down the wall that seemed too high.

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”George Orwell


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rsnoble's picture

Didn't read a word of this.  I assumed it was all based around the title should you trust the gov't.

In response: No fucking way.

Notarocketscientist's picture

Too busy watching Dancing with Stars - or does Sarah Palin have a new reality show that has captured your attention.


People like YOU are part of the problem

rsnoble's picture

No buttnugget, I've actually been on this shit for years and already know it and don't need it rehashed.

#2: I rarely watch tv.

#3: I bought a new rifle today and 500 rounds of ammo for it, making it my 14th gun.  

#4: I could school you on any of this so go try to enlighten someone else.


Have a nice day!

rsnoble's picture

BTW I recommend to most people not to go overboard on the amount of guns esp if money is the issue and to instead buy more ammo.  I was already into guns before tshtf. That and I probably have more worthless fiat to throw around than many of you.

Seer's picture

I'm hoping all you folks with caches of weapons are also concentrating on other important fundamentals, such as Food, Shelter and Water.

I suppose that I'm just jealous that I don't have the spare time to run around buying additional guns and ammo.  Sigh, farm life keeps oneself pretty busy...

Notarocketscientist's picture

Ya more guns.  Fight club doesn't allow guns


Notarocketscientist's picture

Tough guy eh.   Why don't you do like all the other COWARDLY fucks with guns in America and walk down to your local primary school and waste some children


ZedLep's picture

Good Bye Blue Sky. Good Bye.


Hello Silver and Gold!

Notarocketscientist's picture

Would it be going too far to suggest that ZH is the Wikileaks of Finance News?

Great article - but one suggestion - remove the part about kids being brainwashed into convincing their parents global warming is false... global warming is realOnly idiots believe otherwise... and I would assume you are not attempting to appeal to idiots


If you disagree then feel free to explain how and why almost every climate scientist agrees that man is destroying the planet... and why the Koch Brothers are the biggest contributors to the climate denial industry (as has been pointed out they are part of the billionaires behind the lies... so surely climate denial is a lie?)

Notarocketscientist's picture

To those who are red arrowing me....   (with the IQs of donkeys) please explain the following:

> Manmade Climate change is a hoax

> The Koch Brothers are funding the movement that says climate change is a hoax

> The Koch brothers are part of the sinister cabal of billionaires who are creating the Orwellian nightmare.


Actually - calling you a DONKEY is an insult to a Donkey.

The Joker's picture

You are Notaclimatescientist either.

Aurora Ex Machina's picture

The reasons are multitude; but largely, in the USA, due to the way the argument is framed. Too much InfoWars on one side, and Government Cheese / Al Gore Democrat Hollywood soap-boxing / subsidies on the other (while happily ignoring the massive Nuclear / Oil subsidies, of course), and a general anti-Science culture (need we remember that 40-60% belief in God / Creationism?). It's also tied into living in a rather pristine environment, where 300million people are spoilt to rotteness (and girth) by huge energy budgets, large natural reserves and so forth. i.e. Provincialism.

Let them spend a few months in a more pressured environment, they might start 'getting it'; swanning off to Dubai etc for business meetings with the Indians isn't really going to enlighten anyone, barring if they notice the lack of sewerage solutions [since fixed, allegedly] or bothered to examine the work 'camps'.


Fear not; there are many ZH readers who do believe in Climate Change, Environmental degredation, peak oil [or peak oil EROI issues, to be more extact - EROI will make sure oil will never run out, merely become a 1:1 effort at some point] and Science in general. A lot here believe that a 'pure' market would solve many of the issues; many do not. But, being honest: running around the Climate Shop with a bull mask on and claiming you're aiding the issue is a bit self-delusional - as is expecting that the most vocal posters (myself included) represent the silent lurkers.


Go dig out GS' reports on new industries - you'll see a lot of smart money looking for "the next big thing" and looking to ride the wave into the future. For instance, GS put massive weight behind hybrid car technology, about 5 years ago, nudge nudge, wink wink.

Seer's picture

First, name-calling is, well, childish (not that I'm not capable of falling down to that level from time to time).

Climate change is real.  Pure fact.

The planet regularly cycles between glacial and inter-glacial periods.  Pure fact.

Doing ANYTHING at a rate that differs from a natural state of change alters the natural state of change.  Pure fact.

Mass/rapid extraction of minerals and oil alter the natural state of change.  Logic follows above.

Humans performing the mass/rapid extraction of minerals and oil alter the natural state of change, therefore humans ARE affecting the natural state of change.  Logic follows above.

Therefore, humans affecting the natural state of change can be said to be contributing to the change of the climate.

For the life of me (and I could give a shit about what entities are trying to do what- I'm talking pure logic here) I can find no reason based in facts and logic as to why the statement that humans are causing climate change to be invalid.  The ONLY thing that I believe is debatable is: 1) To what degree?  2) What is the impact on the frequency of glacial cyclings (time-wise)?

As far as the Kochs go, I have no idea; I am no fan of anyone with power that extends past that of a single human.

Notarocketscientist's picture

Unfortunately you are WRONG.

Yes temperatures cycle up and down - but not so dramatically over such a short period of time - changes of this magnitude take hundreds of thousands or even millions of years (but then I suppose you believe the earth is only 6000 yrs old right - because the bible told you so)

Look at the graph

Now use your brain...  I know you struggle with your IQ... but it's not a difficult connection to make...

Hint:  what did man start to do on an INDUSTRIAL scale towards the end of the 1800s? 

Ah yes - we began to burn fossil fuels - oil and coal - in huge amounts.

And look - look - global temperatures went OFF THE SCALE over the past century or so.

GET IT??? (probably not...)


And you continue to demonstrate your utter fucking lack of intelligence re the Koch Brothers comment.

You did read this article right?  It states that the Koch's and other rich kocksuckers in America are mind-controlling the masses.  The are fucking with stupid, ignorant fucks like you who fail to question and are like bees droning around looking for flowers (or more reality TV).

Since you are too busy watching Dancing with Stars and voting for the Tea Party I will HELP YOU.

Read this:


Now you can add 1+1 right? (it's 2 in case you were unsure)


Now work this out:


> The Kochs are lying bastards who are fucking over the country to further their own interests.

> Their interests are primarily oil and gas i.e. they oppose any attempts to regulate their industry or that might jeopardize their cash cow i.e. they will fight anyone who claims global warming is man made

> Remember how until recently the Climate Denial Industry claimed there was no global warming?  Then when faced with irrefutable evidence that it was happening their PR fucks came up with a new tact - that global warming is happening but not man made - and stupid fucks like you went down on that line like a porn star on a dong

> refer to the graph again you dumb fuck

> now surely if you can add 1+1 you can work out that you have been played for the ignorant dumb fuck that you are - and the Koch's and Exxon and the others that have a vested interest in burning every last mother fucking drop of oil on earth are fucking with your head telling you global warming is not man made





Apologies for all the fucks and insults - but the fact that I have to deal with such stupidity is extremely frustrating


tip e. canoe's picture

it's possible to occupy a middle ground without falling into the hegelian dialectic abyss.

your mind is your weapon's picture


If you disagree then feel free to explain how and why almost every climate scientist agrees that man is destroying the planet


Ask James Lovelock to explain it to you. He created the Gaia theory and said that billions would die by the end of this century. As time passed all he had to do was look out his window to realize that he'd been wrong. "We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world," he said.


'I made a mistake': Gaia theory scientist James Lovelock admits he was 'alarmist' about the impact of climate change
  • British scientist admits he had 'extrapolated too far' in earlier book
  • Claims other environmental commentators such as Al Gore did the same


The admission comes as a devastating blow to proponents of climate change who regard Lovelock as a powerful figurehead.

Five years ago, he had claimed: 'Before this century is over billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable.'

But in an interview with,  he admitted: 'I made a mistake.'

He said: 'The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing,' he told   'We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear cut, but it hasn’t happened.

'The climate is doing its usual tricks. There’s nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world.

'[The temperature] has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising - carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that.'

Read more:


Aurora Ex Machina's picture

Lovelock isn't saying what you think he's saying btw. He's merely stating that their models / understanding of climate missed out a lot of the cycles / loops that were going on. Daisy world was ever a simplistic model, even in the later iterations.

You might want to know that he came out massively in favour of nuclear energy, as a solution to oil becoming scarcer, and is also in favour of fracking [June 15th 2012 source] as a stop-holder. He hasn't been considered a "Green" environmentalist for a long time, and nor does he want to be. He was also told to "CALM DOWN AND CARRY ON" and stop rocking the boat, over gigadeath, fyi - and not by the Greens. He's probably spot on about what happens when oil starts to become an issue, and has been pushing a technological solution for ages; aka, he's not even the "green hippy" you seem to imagine. He's more like Bucky Fuller if anything.

Translation: you're tilting at strawmen, and sadly don't even realise it.


You're showing where you're getting your ideas from, btw: Lovelock is only a bugbear / environmentalist to paid shills / the massively ignorant anymore; he's simply not that relevent in the modern world, nor is he an Agenda 21 proponent. He's pro massive scale energy production, ffs. When was the last time you heard an "environmentalist" demanding both Nuclear Power and Fracking?

Hint: your sources are probably wrong & bullshit if you find this a little bit incongruous. Time to update your wet-ware.

Seer's picture

Well, we know that because something hasn't happened in the past that it's not likely to occur in the future! </sarc>

Anyone who puts "green" in front of "environmentalist" should have their teeth kicked in.  How fucking disingenuous.

Murray Bookchin was one of the first persons to coin/use the word "environmentalist/m."  He later retracted his support for the word, opting to use "ecology" instead.  The difference he said was that environmentalists are just looking to preserve resources for future exploitation- it's a time issue, not an issue of protecting anything that might/should need protecting.

Aurora Ex Machina's picture

First time I've seen a semi-modern Anarchist writer mentioned on ZH, although of course he's not without issues; old school quasi-Marxist economic analysis, and Bookchin was certainly not a deep-green thinker, he expressed everything in terms of utility to the human. "Social Ecology versus Deep Ecology" for instance.

I'd have used Shallow / Deep, but that would have lead to even more confusion; let's just say that like Socialism, Environmentalism is not a word that the USA does well.

tip e. canoe's picture

it doesn't do capitalism very well either.   maybe this is because all -isms have a shadow component that individuals that are living on this land (not the country or the state or any other fiction, but the land itself) have an innate aversion to, whether they are conscious of it or not?

Aurora Ex Machina's picture

'isms' are just universal schema, hacked in from external sources - there will always be damage if allowed to dominate.

As for shadows ~ I'm still trying to process the women-in-blue-outline-spirits who came to visit...


The Miser's picture

Maybe the cracked Liberty Bell was a sign, way back then, that we will be losing our liberty. We have a very scary future.   

Joebloinvestor's picture

Would you trust anyone who LIED to your face?

mrktwtch2's picture

im a sad man for i am what they call a scatter..a man gifted with a small glimpse of the futUre but can not change it but "he is the wise one for he knows the storm that is coming and shall have a umbrella ready" unkonwn.....but in the end my fellow man we are going through rough changes but 150 yrs form know they will look upon us with pity..for we were just young fools.."..i wish i could go to the yrs 2162 and tell them we did try..but the crooks owned the government at that time and i tried to SURVIVE..

mrktwtch2's picture

im a sad man for i am what they call a scatter..a man gifted with a small glimpse of the futUre but can not change it but "he is the wise one for he knows the storm that is coming and shall have a umbrella ready" unkonwn.....but in the end my fellow man we are going through rough changes but 150 yrs form know they will look upon us with pity..for we were just young fools.."..i wish i could go to the yrs 2162 and tell them we did try..but the crooks owned the government at that time and i tried to SURVIVE..

HamyWanger's picture

This is conspriacy theory, pure and simple

AgAu_man's picture

I am intrigued how conditioned we've become, insofar the mere expression "Conspiracy Theory" scares and repels 90% of the populace from someone's "thesis" or "hypothesis".

Propaganda labeling is a lot easier and faster than doing Due Diligence in a counter-argument, isn't it, my Agent Provocateur friend?

The Joker's picture

Run down to walgreens and buy a bottle of red pills.

I don't understand why the term "conspiracy theory" has such a negative connotation to it.  Everything is a theory until accepted as fact when it can no longer be disproved.  Conspiracies exist, no one in their right mind can deny that.  If you think this is a "conspiracy theory" then disprove it.  If you have no evidence or facts that disprove the theory, then the theory stands (as it is well beyond hypothesis at this point) and you can close your eyes and ignore it.  Go to your happy place.

vegas's picture

Nice article, but tell me something I don't already know. Free entitled shit is the name of the game, and your average clunkhead in Amerika votes for more. There isn't anything I see on the horizon to change, or even slow down, the inevitable financial collapse when SHTF. Play the markets and use profits to buy physical gold and silver; get the fuckout of Chalky Sotero's vision of Utopia before it is too late.

The Old Man's picture

Vegas. Same thing goes for the bankers and PTB. So what's the beef? If you need a bailout, just become a bank. Then you can hedge too.

Darth Mul's picture

"What the average person can’t seem to process through their government public school educated non-critical thinking brains is that there are actually a small group of bankers, politicians, corporate executives, media magnets, and shadowy billionaires Jews who call the shots in this country."


Not a complete fix - but that ruling 2% is disproportionately comprised of a group comprising 2% of the population.  Certainly well over a 3rd and probably over 2/3.


So the 'correction' above is inaccurate and will surely be described as "anti-semitic" - but do we take that to mean you can't even mention a small group having disproportionate power?  Because it means that those outside the group have even less power - particularly with regard to steering foreign policy.


When the head of the IRS {until recently}, CBO, SEC, CFTC, FDIC, Office of Budget and Management, National Economic Council, Council of Economic Advisors - as well as chief of staff and chief counsel to the president are all Jewish, and Jews are 2% of the population, and we can't even talk about it - clearly it is the case that the Jewish minority practically controls the government as to the economy and crying "antisemitism" as its mere discussion is *still* an effective Bernaysian/Orwellian tactic to prevent thought crimes as designated by that very 2%.


Fun fact: American Jews are wildly *underrepresented* in the US Military.


But to my knowledge, JINA is the only ethnoreligious think tank in DC... Richard Perle is still fat, happy and free.





DavidPierre's picture

SmokeyQuinn has ADHD so bad that 43 minutes is way beyond his very limited ability to sit still and possibly learn the truth behind 9/11.

Hell... he cannot even sit still for 5 minutes without picking his buggers (anal boogers) and eating them.

Ignorance is his Strength




Radical Marijuana's picture

What is with these ad hominem attacks? I think that such a disgusting approach is counter-productive.

DavidPierre's picture

Yes... you're right.

But I know what Quinn likes after all these years.

He takes these insults as a compliment and will plagiarize them to use on his bloody, butt-buddies blog.

I have my evening taste of some fine BC Bud and laugh my ass off at his lame retorts.

Don't deny an old man a little mirth.




AgAu_man's picture

I hear you. But, rather than being scared or upset with your analysis, I arrive at a different conclusion:

How is it that certain athletes, performers, teams, companies and groups are consistent winners? Why? A: because they all have WINNING COMPETITIVE ATTRIBUTES.

So, rather than till the same unproductive soil of conspiracies and group-hating -- while perhaps emotionally satisfying for some low-brows -- I would suggest that it would be far more productive, more competitive and successful to study and emulate (and improve upon) their Success Attributes.

Under the principles of Extreme Competition, raising the bar, raising the competitor's cost of competing is far superior.

Of course, this requires mental remapping and giving up the familiar, trusted and comfortable Old (lowbrow) ways.

Let The Games Begin!

Kastorsky's picture


you are dumb.

you even hear what you're saying?

That some group - whites or whatever, should create rasist, fascist, supremesist, race exclusive mafia.

Assassinate some public official, for starters.

Take control of nations banking, finances, media, law enforcement.

Corrupt everything to the core.

Kill uncountable scores of innocent people.

And only then they will be able to play with jews on the "same level".

Fuck to that.

I say, just start the oven and be done.



AgAu_man's picture

Now, now, no need to get personal.

Before launching into a compulsive attack, you may actually want to learn about Attributes of Success, which you clearly know nothing about.

What is 'dumb' however, is the notion that a person or a group can rise to the Top by using the lowbrow methods you describe, and which -- interestingly enough -- come to your mind quite readily.

You speak of 'gassing'. It may interest you and the all too many Neo Nazis, hicks and bigots trolling this site, that a number of my Christian ancestors were gassed. In Auschwitz. By fellow-Christians. For secretely opposing the Nazis, and aiding the resistance.
No doubt your direct ancestors were bleeding and dying for the same noble deeds, as your Polish name suggests?

Thank you for your enlightenment and helping 'raise the bar' in ZH analysis.

Seer's picture

"Attributes of Success"

Is that a measurement related to today's (modern era's) unsustainable world?

If we skip right past the FAILED premise that perpetual growth on a finite planet is possible/good then I suppose that one could argue "success" as just about anything, though, clearly, not about the success of the continuance of the human race.

If nothing else this helps demonstrate that deception is alive and well in human nature.

Kastorsky's picture

 there were no gas chambers in auschwitz, or anywhere.

The Old Man's picture

No. In contrast, they have the MONEY and BACKING to win.

Disenchanted's picture


But to my knowledge, JINA is the only ethnoreligious think tank in DC...


I think you meant JINSA


"To learn who rules over you, simply learn who you are not allowed to criticise." — Voltaire

Seer's picture

In my book, any post including a quote by Voltaire deserves a green arrow :-)

Jam Akin's picture

But wasn't The Wall officially sanctioned by Tavistock? /s

smacker's picture

"Mother should I trust the government?"

Apparently not. are leading tonight on a plot -- known about by the FBI but not revealed by them to the victims -- to assassinate leading members of the Occupy Wall Street group using snipers:

It's not clear WHO was behind this plot but it looks like powerful forces in Corporate America, Homeland Security and perhaps the FBI itself.

Is this the new Fascist America? When do the purges begin?