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Guest Post: Mother, Should I Trust The Government?

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Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform blog,

Mother, do you think they’ll drop the bomb?
Mother, do you think they’ll like this song?
Mother, do you think they’ll try to break my balls?
Ooh ah,
Mother, should I build the wall?

Mother, should I run for president?
Mother, should I trust the government?
Mother, will they put me in the firing line?
Ooh ah,
Is it just a waste of time?

Pink Floyd – Mother

The lyrics to Mother had both a literal and figurative meaning for Roger Waters. He was literally describing his overprotective single mother (his father was killed in World War II) building walls to protect him from the outside world. The figurative meaning is Big Mother sending its boys off to war and using fear to control and manipulate the masses. At the time he wrote this song in 1979, the Soviet Union was thought to be at its peak of power and the Berlin Wall represented a boundary between good and evil. Nuclear war was still a looming fear. Waters has always had a dim view of totalitarian states and institutions (English schools). Having seen his Wall Tour performance this past summer at Citizens Bank Park with a diverse crowd of 40,000, ranging in age from senior citizens to teenagers, it seems this song has gained new meaning. He sang a duet with himself from 1980 projected on the Wall and when he sang the lyric, “Mother, should I trust the government?” the entire stadium responded in unison – NO!!! This revealed a truth that is not permitted to be discussed by the corporate mainstream media acting as a mouthpiece for the ruling class. A growing legion of citizens in this country does not trust the government. This is very perceptive on their part.

In part one of this two part series – Hey You – I examined how an invisible government of wealthy, power hungry men have utilized the propaganda techniques of Edward Bernays and lured the American people into a narcissistic, techno-gadget, debt based servitude. Over the last one hundred years they have created a totalitarian state built upon egotism, material goods, and fulfilling our desires through Wall Street peddled debt and mass consumerism. It has been an incredibly effective form of control that has convinced the masses to love their servitude. The ruling oligarchs correctly chose the painless, amusement saturated, soft totalitarianism of Huxley’s Brave New World over the fearful, pain inflicting, surveillance state, house of horrors detailed in Orwell’s 1984.

“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” Aldous Huxley – Brave New World

The nefarious establishment of the Federal Reserve in 1913, launch of welfare programs in the 1930s, expansion of the entitlement state in the 1960s, creation of the credit card in 1970, mass media marketing propaganda, and the formation of an empire of debt laid the foundation for a society based on triviality, egotism, irrelevance and mass delusion. The conscious manipulation of the habits and opinions of the masses by an invisible government of powerful men using media propaganda and easy to access consumer credit has reached its mathematical limit. The oligarchs built a society dependent upon exponential growth. This unsustainable prototype began to show signs of strain in the 1990s. The powerful interests have been growing ever more desperate and blatantly obvious in their looting and pillaging of the debt bloated carcass of a country. They used their control of the political system to repeal Glass-Steagall, allowing the Wall Street banking cabal to become Too Big to Control. The oligarch puppets at the Wall Street controlled Federal Reserve did the bidding of their masters by reducing interest rates and expanding the money supply to create two epic bubbles.

The Dot.com bubble was created by Wall Street utilizing hype and misinformation to fleece millions into believing we had entered a new paradigm. The only people who got rich were the Wall Street hucksters, shysters and shills.

When the Dot.com bubble burst, Alan Greenspan came to the rescue, at the urging of Nobel prize winner Paul Krugman, by creating the largest banker made bubble in the history of the world. The combination of excessively low mortgage rates, complete lack of regulatory oversight by the Federal Reserve, control fraud committed by the Wall Street banks, and buying frenzy stirred up by the corporate MSM and NAR, led to the biggest financial collapse since 1929.

The white collared psychopathic criminals on Wall Street reaped billions in profits, paid themselves millions in bonuses, and cost taxpayers trillions when it all blew up in 2008. The ruling elite have added $6 trillion to our national debt and their central banker has added another $2 trillion to our ultimate tab, while providing free money to their Wall Street bank owners. They realize their efforts to restart the exponential growth engine have failed. They gutted our productive manufacturing based economic system by shipping the blue collar jobs overseas to Chinese slave labor facilities, replaced workers with machines, stimulated consumption with unlimited distribution of high interest debt, and allowed conglomerates to drive small business owners out of business with their cheap foreign sourced goods, all in the name of capitalism. The plan worked so well that real wages haven’t risen in 40 years, inflation has destroyed the purchasing power of the middle class, 47.7 million people are dependent on food stamps to survive, and the masses can’t even afford the cheap slave labor produced trinkets anymore. There is too little cash, too few jobs, too much debt, too many takers, too few makers, too many bankers, too much delusion, and too few resources to sustain the unsustainable. We have entered the end stages of a ravenous locust swarm. The fields have been stripped barren.

When the men in smoke filled rooms realized their soft totalitarianism was losing its grip on the oblivious, submissive, egoistical, distracted masses, they began phase two of their effort to retain their wealth, power and control. They began to institute Orwellian measures to strike fear into the populace. Their illusion of control is dissipating and they are resorting to force in order to maintain hegemony. It began with the immediate passage of the Orwellian Patriot Act one month after 9/11. Did the corporate media question how a 363 page all-encompassing expansion of police state power was written in a few weeks after 9/11 and passed by October 26? They did not. The bill was pre-written and ready for instant implementation when the time was right. The Orwellian version of America was launched.

“If the ideology had been a lie, then they are not heroes and gods on earth, but monsters and criminals, and their life has been self-serving and meaningless, without significance and honor. And that is the credibility trap. It is the impulse for the leaders to keep doubling down in the hope of a win, until exhaustion and collapse.” – Jesse       

Obedience to Authority

“Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.”  - Stanley Milgram – Obediance to Authority

  

Just as Edward Bernays knew the unruly masses could be manipulated by propaganda and molded to believe whatever the small group of intellectually superior men wanted them to believe, conditioning using fear and authoritarian methods have also been perfected by the ruling class. Doctor Stanley Milgram unwittingly provided the oligarchs with confirmation the average citizen could be ordered to do anything by invoking expertise and authority over their subjects. Milgram started his experiments in 1961, shortly after the trial of the World War II criminal Adolph Eichmann had begun. Eichmann’s defense that he was simply following orders when he exterminated millions of Jews roused Milgram’s interest. How could millions of Germans participate and condone such genocide? Milgram’s testing suggested that it could have been that the millions of accomplices were merely following orders, despite violating their deepest moral beliefs.

Writer Kendra Cherry describes the experiment:

The participants in the Milgram experiment were 40 men recruited using newspaper ads. Milgram developed an intimidating shock generator, with shock levels starting at 30 volts and increasing in 15-volt increments all the way up to 450 volts. The many switches were labeled with terms including “slight shock,” “moderate shock” and “danger: severe shock.” The final two switches were labeled simply with an ominous “XXX.”

Each participant took the role of a “teacher” who would then deliver a shock to the “student” every time an incorrect answer was produced. While the participant believed that he was delivering real shocks to the student, the student was actually a confederate in the experiment who was simply pretending to be shocked.

As the experiment progressed, the participant would hear the learner plead to be released or even complain about a heart condition. Once the 300-volt level had been reached, the learner banged on the wall and demanded to be released. Beyond this point, the learner became completely silent and refused to answer any more questions. The experimenter then instructed the participant to treat this silence as an incorrect response and deliver a further shock.

Most participants asked the experimenter whether they should continue. The experimenter issued a series of commands to prod the participant along:

    • “Please continue.”
    • “The experiment requires that you continue.”
    • “It is absolutely essential that you continue.”
    • “You have no other choice, you must go on.”

The level of shock that the participant was willing to deliver was used as the measure of obedience. How far do you think that most participants were willing to go? When Milgram posed this question to a group of Yale University students, it was predicted that no more than 3 out of 100 participants would deliver the maximum shock. In reality, 65% of the participants in Milgram’s study delivered the maximum shocks.

Of the 40 participants in the study, 26 delivered the maximum shocks while 14 stopped before reaching the highest levels. It is important to note that many of the subjects became extremely agitated, distraught and angry at the experimenter. Yet they continued to follow orders all the way to the end. Why did so many of the participants in this experiment perform a seemingly sadistic act on the instruction of an authority figure? According to Milgram, there are a number of situational factors that can explain such high levels of obedience:

    • The physical presence of an authority figure dramatically increased compliance.
    • The fact that the study was sponsored by Yale (a trusted and authoritative academic institution) led many participants to believe that the experiment must be safe.
    • The selection of teacher and learner status seemed random.
    • Participants assumed that the experimenter was a competent expert.
    • The shocks were said to be painful, not dangerous.

The American people have been participants in their very own Milgram experiment being conducted by their government since 9/11. Since the passage of the Patriot Act, the government continues to demand that its citizens increase the voltage in the name of security. Since 2001, the Orwellian measures have included:

  • Warrantless domestic surveillance.
  • The ability to search telephone calls, emails, financial matters especially involving foreign individuals, and medical records for people who are “suspected” of endangering the country.
  • Color coded risk levels designed to keep citizens fearful of non-existent terrorists.
  • Pre-emptive invasion of foreign countries.
  • Committing U.S. forces to war without a declaration of war by Congress as mandated in the U.S. Constitution.
  • Assassination of people on presidential kill lists.
  • Extermination of “suspected” enemies by predator drones.
  • Camera systems monitoring the movements of Americans in cites and streets across the United States.
  • Torture of detainees in camps outside of the United States.
  • The authority to indefinitely detain America citizens without trial.
  • Executive orders giving the President the ability to unilaterally disregard the U.S. Constitution and take control of private industries.
  • Use of drones to monitor the activities of American citizens.
  • Allowing the very bankers that destroyed the worldwide economic system to blackmail the American taxpayers into handing them $700 billion.
  • Not prosecuting one Wall Street criminal after the largest Ponzi control fraud in the history of the world.
  • Cameras and listening devices on public transit and other public locations.
  • Military exercises conducted in U.S. cities in order to condition the masses.
  • Attempts to control and censor the internet through the introduction of the SOPA bill.
  • The use of tragic mass murders by mentally defective young men on psychotropic drugs to disregard the 2nd Amendment and disarm American citizens.
  • TSA thugs molesting little old ladies and young children to desensitize citizens to gestapo like tactics and treat them like criminals.
  • Government partnering with Facebook, Apple and other corporate entities to monitor, censor, and report the activities of citizens to the authorities.
  • The use of public schools to teach children what to think rather than how to think. Thought control is vital to an agenda of keeping the masses fearful and pliable.
  • Government agencies (FBI, ATF) creating terrorist plots, luring young dupes into the plots, providing fake explosives, and then announcing with great fanfare they have foiled a terrorist plot.
  • “See something, Say something” government media campaign designed to make citizens paranoid and fearful.

Just as Milgram pondered how the German people could follow the orders of those in authority to slaughter millions, one must ponder how the American people have allowed those in power to strip us of our Constitutional freedoms and liberties in the name of safety and security. They have conditioned the masses to passively accept their fate by utilizing fear, authoritarian measures, thought control, and propaganda. Human beings never change. They have been driven by emotions throughout history – fear, greed, love and hate. There will always be psychopathic men who seek wealth, power, glory and control. It happened during the decline of the Roman Empire and it is happening today during the decline of the American Empire.

“A shocking crime was committed on the unscrupulous initiative of few individuals, with the blessing of more, and amid the passive acquiescence of all.”Tacitus

Big Brother is Watching You

“Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know what no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”George Orwell – 1984

  

What the average person can’t seem to process through their government public school educated non-critical thinking brains is that there are actually a small group of bankers, politicians, corporate executives, media magnets, and shadowy billionaires who call the shots in this country. They constitute Bernays’ invisible government, run the show, mold the minds, form the opinions, suggest the ideas, and create the reality for the masses because they believe they are intellectually superior. The left/right and Democrat/Republican discord is a planned diversion for the masses. The country has devolved into a corporate fascist warfare/welfare state. We are clearly moving in the direction of Orwell’s state in which government monitors and controls every aspect of human life to the extent that even having a disloyal thought will be against the law. The longer this is allowed to progress the more likely any effort to resist like Winston Smith will be met with brutal measures.

The parallels to Orwell dystopian nightmare state grow by the day. Those in control use technology to bombard Americans with psychological inducements designed to overwhelm the mind’s capability for autonomous thought. In Orwell’s 1984 the giant telescreen in every citizen’s room blasts a constant stream of propaganda designed to make the failures and shortcomings of the Party appear to be triumphant successes. In Obama’s 2013 the 72 inch Chinese made HDTVs in every McMansion blasts a constant stream of propaganda designed to make the zombie-like occupants buy trinkets and gadgets with a thin piece of plastic and makes the failures in Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt and Libya appear to be triumphant successes. Our corporate/fascist party uses their control over the media message to indoctrinate and control the public mind through propaganda and repetitive messaging. In Orwell’s world, the Party undermines family structure by inducting children into an organization called the Junior Spies, which brainwashes and encourages them to spy on their parents and report any instance of disloyalty to the Party. In our world children are indoctrinated in government run public schools that fill their brains with government manufactured history, social engineering claptrap and what they should think, rather than how to think. The Orwellian Department of Homeland Security (Thought Police) instructs them to report anyone they think is suspicious with their “See something, Say something” campaign. Children are “encouraged” to re-educate their parents about green energy and global warming. Corporations fund schools to advertise their products within the hallways of learning. The outputs of this corporate/fascist partnership are non-critical thinking, functionally illiterate, willfully ignorant Proles who obey the Party and consume products as instructed.

In Orwell’s 1984 the Party keeps the population in a general state of exhaustion by making them work long grueling hours at government run agencies. This was designed to keep them from thinking or having the energy to resist. About one in six workers work for the government in the United States, with a substantial portion of private jobs dependent upon government largesse. The true distinction in our society can be seen in the income levels over decades of our own Inner Party, Outer Party and Proles.

income percentile

The government educated masses were purposely not taught about the impact of Federal Reserve created inflation on their lives. Even using the government manipulated CPI, the real household incomes of the masses have barely risen in the last forty five years. Using a true measure of inflation, the real household incomes of the average family have fallen. In addition, prior to the 1980s those household incomes were predominantly provided with one parent working and the other raising the children. Today the vast majority of households require both parents to work in order to just tread water. Child rearing was delegated to the state and parents have been kept in a constant state of exhaustion, like hamsters in a cage on a spinning wheel. Household income was replaced by credit card debt, mortgage debt, auto debt, and student loan debt peddled by our very own Inner Party (Wall Street bankers). The Inner Party members have seen their incomes soar over the last four decades. This was not an accident.

As those at the top accumulate an ever increasing percentage of the national wealth, while consolidating their power through ever more sophisticated use of technology for surveillance, warfare, and financial theft; urban decay and blight spreads across the land. Totalitarian regimes are ferociously effective at augmenting their own power and wretchedly incompetent at providing for their citizens. Just as the London in Orwell’s dystopian world was a decrepit, rundown city in which buildings were crumbling, amenities such as elevators never worked, and basics such as electricity and plumbing were exceedingly undependable, the urban killing fields that are home to tens of millions in the United States are dangerous, disintegrating, hallowed out carcasses of once thriving metropolises. Hunger, poverty, crumbling infrastructure, and violence are the earmarks of society for the Proles. True unemployment exceeds 20%, with youth and minority unemployment exceeding 40%. There are 47.7 million Americans subsisting on food stamps (program administered by JP Morgan), accounting for 20% of all the households in the country.

The incompetency and mismanagement by our totalitarian governing body is evident for all to see, as bridges collapse, water mains burst, gas lines explode, mass transit shuts down and structures deteriorate due to decades of neglect. The priorities of those in power are clearly visible as they spend trillions on weapons used to attack sovereign countries, distribute billions in “aid” to foreign dictators, provide trillions to the criminal banking cabal on Wall Street, and devote billions to technology designed to monitor and control their citizens. Our entire rotting, fetid, bloated, corrupt society has about reached its limits. It is only a matter of time until it implodes like the former Soviet Union.

Diminishing returns of ever-increasing complexity addressed with ever-more layers of complexity, larded with systematic lying based on mystifying, opaque jargon, sanctioned statistical misreporting, felonious cronyism, and scuttling of the rule of law. In short, the markets have been taken over in effect by a criminal racketeering syndicate. In doing this, so much resilience has been removed from these market structures that they are riddled with rot, like a mansion infested with carpenter ants.” – Jim Kunstler

We Have Always Been at War with Eastasia

Hush now baby, baby, don’t you cry.
Mamma’s gonna make all of your nightmares come true,
Mamma’s gonna put all of her fears into you,
Mamma’s gonna keep you right here, under her wing.

  She won’t let you fly, but she might let you sing,
Mamma’s gonna keep baby cozy and warm.
Oooh babe, Oooh babe, Oooh babe,
Of course Mamma’s gonna help build the wall.

Pink Floyd – Mother

The concepts of Doublethink and Newspeak are alive and well in our increasingly Orwellian society. The massive long-term campaign of large-scale psychological manipulation, described in detail by Edward Bernays in 1928, has succeeded in breaking down the capacity for independent thought by the masses. Those in control of the media have molded the minds of millions to believe anything the government tells them, even while possessing information that runs counter to what they are being told. On the eve of the invasion of Iraq, the government and their media propaganda mouthpieces had convinced 69% of the American public that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 9/11 attacks, even though there wasn’t a shred of evidence to support that claim. The storyline of Iraqi soldiers murdering Kuwaiti babies in their incubators during the first Gulf War was another example of propaganda designed to manipulate public opinion. By controlling the media message, those in power control the present and can manipulate the past. The government controls the curriculum in public schools and writes our history to conform to whatever storyline that supports their agenda. With 20% of the adult population in this country functionally illiterate, the formulation of ideas or critical thought is virtually impossible for these people. This is exactly what is desired by the ruling class.

The outrageous example of Doublethink in Orwell’s 1984 occurs during the Hate Week rally.  The Party shifts its diplomatic allegiance, so the nation it has been at war with suddenly becomes its ally (Eurasia), and its former ally becomes its new enemy (Eastasia). When the Party speaker suddenly changes the nation he refers to as an enemy in the middle of his speech, the crowd accepts his words immediately, and is ashamed to find that it has made the wrong signs for the event. The American people have been programmed to accept the same logic from our leaders. Saddam Hussein was our ally when he was fighting our enemy Iran, who had been our ally ever since we had overthrown their democratically elected leader in the 1950s. Then he became our enemy for using weapons of mass destruction, provided to him by the U.S., on his own people and threatening our control over Middle Eastern oil. Osama bin Laden was our ally when he was fighting our mortal enemy, the Soviet Union. Then he became our mortal enemy because we refused to leave Saudi Arabia after the first Gulf War. Ghadafi was our sworn enemy after blowing up an airliner filled with Americans, until he helped us after 9/11 and became an ally. Then he became an enemy again for fighting to maintain his dictatorship. Mubarak was an ally for decades as we provided him billions in military hardware so he could brutally maintain control. Then he became an enemy when we decided he was no longer of use. Do you get the picture?

Do you see any parallels between Orwell’s Ministry of Plenty (oversees economic shortages); the Ministry of Peace (wages war); the Ministry of Truth (conducts propaganda and historical revisionism); and the Ministry of Love (the center of the Party’s operations of torture and punishment) and our Department of Agriculture, Department of Defense, Department of Education, and Department of Homeland Security?  

“In our age there is no such thing as ‘keeping out of politics.’ All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia. The very concept of objective truth is fading out of the world. Lies will pass into history.”George Orwell

Should I Trust the Government?

So the oligarchs have utilized all the plays in Huxley’s playbook and are half way through Orwell’s playbook, but they are rapidly losing their credibility as a small minority of critical thinking people is using the internet to spread the truth and form phyles with like-minded citizens with similar values based on liberty and freedom. The political system is broken beyond repair as $2 billion was spent during this last “election” to maintain the status quo. The looting and pillaging of the middle class continues, while the poor are kept controlled, sedated and enslaved by entitlements, debt, drugs and prisons. The financial system is succumbing to the mountains of debt that have been accumulated trying to keep the game going. In the last ten years worldwide total credit market debt, on balance sheets, sovereign obligations, corporate debt, household debt – has grown from $80 trillion to just over $200 trillion. U.S. unfunded liabilities committed to by the politician parasites that pass for our representatives surpass $200 trillion. There are $1.2 quadrillion of interconnected derivatives outstanding in the world today, 20 times the size of the worldwide economy. The accumulation of worldwide debt, aging developed country populations, depletion of resources, perpetual war, financial fraud and rampant corruption are going to lead to a collapse of epic proportions. It may not happen in 2013, but it will happen within the next five years. Jesse explains why the status quo will never relinquish their power, illegally acquired wealth and control without a fight:

“A credibility trap is a condition wherein the financial, political and informational functions of a society have been compromised by corruption and fraud, so that the leadership cannot effectively reform, or even honestly address, the problems of that system without impairing and implicating, at least incidentally, a broad swath of the power structure, including them. The status quo tolerates the corruption and the fraud because they have profited at least indirectly from it, and would like to continue to do so. Even the impulse to reform within the power structure is susceptible to various forms of soft blackmail and coercion by the system that maintains and rewards.

And so a failed policy and its support system become self-sustaining, long after it is seen by objective observers to have failed. In its failure it is counterproductive, and an impediment to recovery in the real economy. Admitting failure is not an option for the thought leaders who receive their power from that system.  The continuity of the structural hierarchy must therefore be maintained at all costs, even to the point of becoming a painfully obvious hypocrisy.”

The people of this country must regain a sense of responsibility for their lives and the lives of future generations. Enough people need to perceive they are being manipulated, controlled and used by the thought leaders and awaken from their narcissistic materialistic debt financed lives. Our culture has failed. The animosity and anger in the country is beginning to bubble over. The masses are beginning to realize they have been screwed. They haven’t figured out who to blame because they are still trapped in the Republican/Democrat false dogma. There is one Party putting on a show, as displayed this week with the fiscal cliff farce, as the government controlled media proclaimed victory because the status quo was maintained, nothing was cut, and $4 trillion was added to the National Debt. More people need to question and challenge the authorities. We must cast aside our willful ignorance of facts and accept the consequences of decades of bad decisions and delusions of grandeur. More government is not the answer. We must break free of the conditioning and mind control used to make us love our servitude and trust those in power.

Kyle Bass recently revealed a fact about our government leaders:

“They’re not going to tell you that a collapse is coming. You’re going to have to see it for yourself. The government’s never going to tell you that it’s going to happen. These guys are never going to tell you the truth, because they can’t tell you the truth. Their job is to promote confidence, not to tell you the truth.”

We need more people to respond to Roger Waters’ question, “Mother, should I trust the government?” with this answer before we can begin to tear down the wall that seemed too high.

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”George Orwell

 

 


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Wed, 01/02/2013 - 19:55 | Link to Comment ILLILLILLI
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Here is the 1954 version of "1984" starring Peter Cushing:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1kGSDYp2Rw

 

I think this version is the best of them all...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:45 | Link to Comment Rogue Trooper
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Many thanks. I have not seen this version.

Considering how many have read and studied the novel in their youth I find it truly depressing that so few even contemplate the warnings that Orwell so carefully articulated.  No one will be able to say they where not warned when the shit storm we are all heading towards hits. Sheep to the slaughter wagon.

Good luck to us all.... see you in Room 101 if they get you first.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 19:57 | Link to Comment beaglebog
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As ever, StormCloudsGathering says it so well.

 

The State is fixing to do some killin'.

 

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Nxa3QrSNw&feature=youtu.be&a

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:29 | Link to Comment Ima anal sphincter
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Bleating and babbling we fell on his neck with a scream.
Wave upon wave of demented avengers
March cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.

Sheep

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 19:59 | Link to Comment UGrev
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was just listening to this on the way home.. on the way to work was the Animals Album (pink floyd for you younger peeps). One of the most under-rated albums ever. Dogs, pigs, sheep..  what else can an albums' song titles say about the world :)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:32 | Link to Comment Ima anal sphincter
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+1000   You're exactly right.

There were others who knew "The Big Picture." Take a listen to this: Same Old Wine

As far as The Wall goes, truly great album, but absolutely played to death on the radio. I was burnt out on it within 3 months. Wish You Were Here and Animals tops my list.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:09 | Link to Comment mvsjcl
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You better watch out,
There may be dogs about...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:00 | Link to Comment Kastorsky
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Start by always lying to them.

I always give fake phone #, zip code, fake height, eye color, address.

When not critical, naturally.

If enough people do this, it will render there databases useless.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:01 | Link to Comment DavosSherman
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NO!

Super read!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:03 | Link to Comment ramacers
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so what? distrust is cheap. who can put it all on the line? not many.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:06 | Link to Comment lordbyroniv
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This guy took an oath to defend the Constitution!!!!

 

He needs to be disbarred !!!!

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/opinion/lets-give-up-on-the-constituti...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:07 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Lucifer is on the loose!

The best weapon is 2 Bibles and Prayer.

Hollow out 1 Bible and put a .45 Colt inside.

Carry on.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:23 | Link to Comment knukles
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The 40 oz'ers only fit in the Extra Big Large Print Editions.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:27 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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.45 Colt inside?  I would pick an Oracle text, bigger and fatter, more room...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:32 | Link to Comment knukles
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they'll be confiscating Bibles anyway....

(Book of Eli)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:34 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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"They'll have to get the guns first, before they can grab anything else."

(handbook of DoChenRollingBearing)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:48 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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They already grabbed all the food, energy, healthcare, transportation, finances and justice. Grabbing guns and bibles shouldn't be too difficult..................

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:42 | Link to Comment Jerome Lester H...
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Now that's funny! Probably would evoke less suspiscion too. While the Bible will elicit interest just by it's very existence in a room, not too many people will notice an Oracle book or become curious about it!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:22 | Link to Comment AgAu_man
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0.45, no. 0.46, YES!
More compelling to get through thick-skinned game.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:39 | Link to Comment Notarocketscientist
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Yep.  Why dontcha run down to the movie theatre or the primary school and waste some fuckers?

All you big mouths with your big talk about your guns...  oOoooooooHHHHH you are so fucking tough - but all you can do is kill children.

Put your guns where your mouths are and take a ride down to Wall Street.

 

Fucking Losers

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:49 | Link to Comment adventuretime
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No thread is complete without a crybaby.  Don't your representatives wear powdered wigs in UK?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:08 | Link to Comment Banksters
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FUCK THE GOVT.   

 

They lie and steal with out reproach- WMDs in IRAQ?  Prosecution of bankers? Graft?  Crony Capitalism?  Medical experiments on unwitting souls? False Flags?  Propaganda? Fisa? Patriot Act?

 

All of the above!   

 

I repeat, the Govt does not have our best interest in mind.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:13 | Link to Comment edifice
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Only 1/3 of the citizenry gave a shit in 1775 and, even less fought in - and won - the Revolutionary War.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:12 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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The Revolutionary War was won by world class formidable military hardwar, supplies, officers, and ships of the line; provided by our military ally; France. the United States came into existence during the signing of a peace treaty in Paris in 1781; it was considered a matter of secondary importance. Read history it is often more fantastic than fiction; especially the fiction they fed you in public school.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:14 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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I'll see you, Mother and raise you Great Gig In The Sky  

 

"And I am not frightened of dying,

any time will do, I don't mind.

Why should I be frightened of dying?

There's no reason for it,

you've gotta go sometime."

"I? never said I was frightened of dying."

"If you can hear this whispering you are dying..."

On a long enough timeline...

Hope theres a zero hedge bar on the other side.

 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:16 | Link to Comment UGrev
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I'm slowly seeing people changing avatars to spartan helmets.. anyone else notice this too? not just here (haven't seen it here as much) but other places I visit have been doing so quite a bit. 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:39 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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"Molon Labe" is catching on...

Exhibit One: Gun stores doing HUGE business.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:47 | Link to Comment akak
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"Molon Labe"

I have seen that phrase for a long time now (only online, though), but out of an inverted sense of curiousity I have never bothered to look it up --- and nobody that I have seen using it has ever used it in a way from which the meaning was obvious given the context.  Somehow, though (perhaps given my moderate dyslexia), I always end up reading it as "Melon Labia".

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:48 | Link to Comment UGrev
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...I have never bothered to look it up --- and nobody using it has ever used it in a way from which the meaning was obvious given the context.

So, which is it? have you never looked it up? or have you? if you claim the use hasn't been proper, then you've looked it up or know what it means. So I'm cornfused about your statement. 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:55 | Link to Comment akak
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Actually, UGrev, I did not claim that the use of the phrase (here or anywhere else) is improper, as I do not know what it means in the first place, so I could not comment in that regard.  I merely meant to say that I have never seen it used in such a way as to make it obvious, or even to suggest, what its meaning actually is.  I've always been waiting for it to become obvious via context, and have actually purposely NOT looked it up precisely because it never seems to be used in such a way, which I find curious in and of itself. 

Having said all that, I have said vastly more on this minor point that I wish to, or ever expected to.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:05 | Link to Comment knukles
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It's from ancient Greek meaning literally "Come and take them"

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:11 | Link to Comment nmewn
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If its got labia in it I'm all about that ;-)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:05 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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"Molon labe" (Come and take it) is what Spartan King Leonidas supposedly responded to the Persian demand to surrender (or something like that).

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:18 | Link to Comment Jam Akin
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Correct.  The Persians asked the Spartans to drop their weapons and surrender and Leonidas said "come and get 'em".   He was the first icon of laconic speech.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:44 | Link to Comment akak
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And so now I finally know.

ZH, always a learning experience.

Thanks guys!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:33 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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I want you to come on, come on, come on, come on and take it,
Take it!
Take another little piece of my heart now, baby!
Oh, oh, break it!
Break another little bit of my heart now, darling, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, oh, have a!
Have another little piece of my heart now, baby,
You know you got it if it makes you feel good,
Oh, yes indeed.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:40 | Link to Comment UGrev
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my mistake. It sounded like you were making a claim. I see you got your answer below. :)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:46 | Link to Comment UGrev
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I hope it starts spreading like a fart in an elevator.. and fast.. 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:52 | Link to Comment Zap Powerz
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The problem with the "Freest Country on Earth" is that only about 7-10% of the country really wants to be free.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:01 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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That's because being free is a pain in the ass, and once you're actually free you are completely fucked since there is no going back to the depths of sleep from whence you came. You can pretend to not give a fuck about the cold hard world and all of the ignorant assholes in it, but the cat's already out of the bag, and has in fact, run off into the brambles of the road not taken................

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:18 | Link to Comment John Law Lives
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Congratulations to the pumpers:

On Jan 3, 2000, the S&P 500 closed at 1,455.22

On Jan 3, 2013, the S&P 500 closed at 1,462.42

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=%5EGSPC&a=00&b=3&c=2000&d=00&e=3&f=2000&g=d

Considering the recent massive increase in the federal debt, the Fed's balance sheet, the number of Americans on Food Stamps, and the ongoing destruction of the US Dollar, this performance isn't too impressive.

FUBAR.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:28 | Link to Comment knukles
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Nor U, unadjusted U's, GDP, %age in the workforce, real disposable after tax income, not to mention the accelerating collapse of ethics, morals, integrity and civility at every level of society.

Fuckin' Awesome..... 

If for the Devil's Spawn, it's certainly "Mission Accomplished."

("I am evil, the destroyer of men's lives.")

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:23 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Nice essay. Let the party begin.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:23 | Link to Comment gnomon
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Ninety per cent of the world's population needs to be liquidated by one means or another over the next 20 to 30 years.  That is what they have in mind.  Each sector of the globe has a different game plan.  Some plans are interlocked, others are at loggerheads.  East vs. West.  Brown vs. Black. Muslim vs. Christian.  All vs. White.  

This can go so many ways, but the end result will be roughly the same.

This is Twelve Monkeys times ten.  And the Devil take the hindmost.  It is over, (all but the liquidation).

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:07 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Well, if I can have any say in the matter I do hope that I'm made into a bar of soap, which Ben Bernanke drops in the shower while, unbeknownst to him, his home is being invaded by a mob of horny, angry, aids infected, homeless, bull queer psychopaths that are jacked up on pcp laced crystal meth..............

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:10 | Link to Comment centerline
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Don't know about the percentage there - but I figure the gist of it is about right.  TPTB can't have too many mouthbreathers sucking up resources.  The current cycle is maxed out and liquidation is on the horizon - one way or another.  This time on an unheard of scale.  Scary thing to realize we are in the topping process, which I figure really kicked in about 12-13 years ago.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:31 | Link to Comment AgAu_man
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Probably. You don't have to be in the Top 10% of IQ, education, skills, wealth and political/worldview flexibility, but it helps.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:37 | Link to Comment Notarocketscientist
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'They' will not have to liquidate... we will self-liquidate....  since we are at the End of Growth (because we have reached the end of CHEAP fossil fuels)... a massive reality is about to strike...

7 billion hungry mouths will not react well to the End of Growth scenario.  

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:27 | Link to Comment gnomon
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Agreed.  But they are planning to "shape" and "ride" the liquidation to the best of their ability, competing with other world players as they do so.  Liberty is the first casualty as we are seeing now.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 09:14 | Link to Comment Seer
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I have no idea what "they" "have in mind," but given the fact of declining resources and the all-to-persistent gnawing of entropy I'd have to say that it was always going to happen via nature.

TPTB raced us way beyond sustainability.  How fitting, I suppose, that one of the last big things that they did was to create Viagra- rather symbolic of the Big Picture (over-inflated to the point of rupture; the wad has been spent).

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:44 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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Didn't read a word of this.  I assumed it was all based around the title should you trust the gov't.

In response: No fucking way.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:35 | Link to Comment Notarocketscientist
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Too busy watching Dancing with Stars - or does Sarah Palin have a new reality show that has captured your attention.

 

People like YOU are part of the problem

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 06:52 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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No buttnugget, I've actually been on this shit for years and already know it and don't need it rehashed.

#2: I rarely watch tv.

#3: I bought a new rifle today and 500 rounds of ammo for it, making it my 14th gun.  

#4: I could school you on any of this so go try to enlighten someone else.

 

Have a nice day!

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 06:55 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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BTW I recommend to most people not to go overboard on the amount of guns esp if money is the issue and to instead buy more ammo.  I was already into guns before tshtf. That and I probably have more worthless fiat to throw around than many of you.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 09:18 | Link to Comment Seer
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I'm hoping all you folks with caches of weapons are also concentrating on other important fundamentals, such as Food, Shelter and Water.

I suppose that I'm just jealous that I don't have the spare time to run around buying additional guns and ammo.  Sigh, farm life keeps oneself pretty busy...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 10:21 | Link to Comment Notarocketscientist
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Ya more guns.  Fight club doesn't allow guns

COWARD

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 10:21 | Link to Comment Notarocketscientist
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Tough guy eh.   Why don't you do like all the other COWARDLY fucks with guns in America and walk down to your local primary school and waste some children

COWARD

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:48 | Link to Comment ZedLep
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Good Bye Blue Sky. Good Bye.

 

Hello Silver and Gold!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:24 | Link to Comment Notarocketscientist
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Would it be going too far to suggest that ZH is the Wikileaks of Finance News?

Great article - but one suggestion - remove the part about kids being brainwashed into convincing their parents global warming is false... global warming is realOnly idiots believe otherwise... and I would assume you are not attempting to appeal to idiots

 

If you disagree then feel free to explain how and why almost every climate scientist agrees that man is destroying the planet... and why the Koch Brothers are the biggest contributors to the climate denial industry (as has been pointed out they are part of the billionaires behind the lies... so surely climate denial is a lie?)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:43 | Link to Comment Notarocketscientist
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To those who are red arrowing me....   (with the IQs of donkeys) please explain the following:

> Manmade Climate change is a hoax

> The Koch Brothers are funding the movement that says climate change is a hoax

> The Koch brothers are part of the sinister cabal of billionaires who are creating the Orwellian nightmare.

 

Actually - calling you a DONKEY is an insult to a Donkey.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 04:00 | Link to Comment The Joker
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You are Notaclimatescientist either.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 10:19 | Link to Comment Notarocketscientist
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And you are retarded

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 06:15 | Link to Comment Aurora Ex Machina
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The reasons are multitude; but largely, in the USA, due to the way the argument is framed. Too much InfoWars on one side, and Government Cheese / Al Gore Democrat Hollywood soap-boxing / subsidies on the other (while happily ignoring the massive Nuclear / Oil subsidies, of course), and a general anti-Science culture (need we remember that 40-60% belief in God / Creationism?). It's also tied into living in a rather pristine environment, where 300million people are spoilt to rotteness (and girth) by huge energy budgets, large natural reserves and so forth. i.e. Provincialism.

Let them spend a few months in a more pressured environment, they might start 'getting it'; swanning off to Dubai etc for business meetings with the Indians isn't really going to enlighten anyone, barring if they notice the lack of sewerage solutions [since fixed, allegedly] or bothered to examine the work 'camps'.

 

Fear not; there are many ZH readers who do believe in Climate Change, Environmental degredation, peak oil [or peak oil EROI issues, to be more extact - EROI will make sure oil will never run out, merely become a 1:1 effort at some point] and Science in general. A lot here believe that a 'pure' market would solve many of the issues; many do not. But, being honest: running around the Climate Shop with a bull mask on and claiming you're aiding the issue is a bit self-delusional - as is expecting that the most vocal posters (myself included) represent the silent lurkers.

 

Go dig out GS' reports on new industries - you'll see a lot of smart money looking for "the next big thing" and looking to ride the wave into the future. For instance, GS put massive weight behind hybrid car technology, about 5 years ago, nudge nudge, wink wink.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 09:34 | Link to Comment Seer
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First, name-calling is, well, childish (not that I'm not capable of falling down to that level from time to time).

Climate change is real.  Pure fact.

The planet regularly cycles between glacial and inter-glacial periods.  Pure fact.

Doing ANYTHING at a rate that differs from a natural state of change alters the natural state of change.  Pure fact.

Mass/rapid extraction of minerals and oil alter the natural state of change.  Logic follows above.

Humans performing the mass/rapid extraction of minerals and oil alter the natural state of change, therefore humans ARE affecting the natural state of change.  Logic follows above.

Therefore, humans affecting the natural state of change can be said to be contributing to the change of the climate.

For the life of me (and I could give a shit about what entities are trying to do what- I'm talking pure logic here) I can find no reason based in facts and logic as to why the statement that humans are causing climate change to be invalid.  The ONLY thing that I believe is debatable is: 1) To what degree?  2) What is the impact on the frequency of glacial cyclings (time-wise)?

As far as the Kochs go, I have no idea; I am no fan of anyone with power that extends past that of a single human.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 19:34 | Link to Comment Notarocketscientist
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Unfortunately you are WRONG.

Yes temperatures cycle up and down - but not so dramatically over such a short period of time - changes of this magnitude take hundreds of thousands or even millions of years (but then I suppose you believe the earth is only 6000 yrs old right - because the bible told you so)

Look at the graph http://www.grida.no/images/series/vg-climate/large/22.jpg

Now use your brain...  I know you struggle with your IQ... but it's not a difficult connection to make...

Hint:  what did man start to do on an INDUSTRIAL scale towards the end of the 1800s? 

Ah yes - we began to burn fossil fuels - oil and coal - in huge amounts.

And look - look - global temperatures went OFF THE SCALE over the past century or so.

GET IT??? (probably not...)

 

And you continue to demonstrate your utter fucking lack of intelligence re the Koch Brothers comment.

You did read this article right?  It states that the Koch's and other rich kocksuckers in America are mind-controlling the masses.  The are fucking with stupid, ignorant fucks like you who fail to question and are like bees droning around looking for flowers (or more reality TV).

Since you are too busy watching Dancing with Stars and voting for the Tea Party I will HELP YOU.

Read this: http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/04/inside-kochs-climate-deni...

 

Now you can add 1+1 right? (it's 2 in case you were unsure)

 

Now work this out:

 

> The Kochs are lying bastards who are fucking over the country to further their own interests.

> Their interests are primarily oil and gas i.e. they oppose any attempts to regulate their industry or that might jeopardize their cash cow i.e. they will fight anyone who claims global warming is man made

> Remember how until recently the Climate Denial Industry claimed there was no global warming?  Then when faced with irrefutable evidence that it was happening their PR fucks came up with a new tact - that global warming is happening but not man made - and stupid fucks like you went down on that line like a porn star on a dong

> refer to the graph again you dumb fuck http://www.grida.no/images/series/vg-climate/large/22.jpg

> now surely if you can add 1+1 you can work out that you have been played for the ignorant dumb fuck that you are - and the Koch's and Exxon and the others that have a vested interest in burning every last mother fucking drop of oil on earth are fucking with your head telling you global warming is not man made

 

OPEN YOUR EYES FOR CHRIST SAKE!!!!  USE YOUR HEAD!!! STOP GUZZLING GALLON SIZE COKES AND JAMMING 3 FOR 1 PIZZA DOWN YOUR FAT FACE WHILE WATCHING TRIPLE HEADER NFL GAMES!!!  

GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL - IT IS MAN-MADE http://www.grida.no/images/series/vg-climate/large/22.jpg  AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE A MENACE TO SOCIETY.

 

Apologies for all the fucks and insults - but the fact that I have to deal with such stupidity is extremely frustrating

 

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:48 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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it's possible to occupy a middle ground without falling into the hegelian dialectic abyss.

your mind is your weapon

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 19:14 | Link to Comment Notarocketscientist
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8 more donkeys.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 11:26 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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and 1 ass

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:46 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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If you disagree then feel free to explain how and why almost every climate scientist agrees that man is destroying the planet

 

Ask James Lovelock to explain it to you. He created the Gaia theory and said that billions would die by the end of this century. As time passed all he had to do was look out his window to realize that he'd been wrong. "We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world," he said.

 

'I made a mistake': Gaia theory scientist James Lovelock admits he was 'alarmist' about the impact of climate change
  • British scientist admits he had 'extrapolated too far' in earlier book
  • Claims other environmental commentators such as Al Gore did the same

 

The admission comes as a devastating blow to proponents of climate change who regard Lovelock as a powerful figurehead.

Five years ago, he had claimed: 'Before this century is over billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable.'

But in an interview with msnbc.com,  he admitted: 'I made a mistake.'

He said: 'The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing,' he told   'We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear cut, but it hasn’t happened.

'The climate is doing its usual tricks. There’s nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world.

'[The temperature] has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising - carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2134092/Gaia-scientist-James-Lovelock-I-alarmist-climate-change.html#ixzz2GsdT1pIA

 


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 06:29 | Link to Comment Aurora Ex Machina
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Lovelock isn't saying what you think he's saying btw. He's merely stating that their models / understanding of climate missed out a lot of the cycles / loops that were going on. Daisy world was ever a simplistic model, even in the later iterations.

You might want to know that he came out massively in favour of nuclear energy, as a solution to oil becoming scarcer, and is also in favour of fracking [June 15th 2012 source] as a stop-holder. He hasn't been considered a "Green" environmentalist for a long time, and nor does he want to be. He was also told to "CALM DOWN AND CARRY ON" and stop rocking the boat, over gigadeath, fyi - and not by the Greens. He's probably spot on about what happens when oil starts to become an issue, and has been pushing a technological solution for ages; aka, he's not even the "green hippy" you seem to imagine. He's more like Bucky Fuller if anything.

Translation: you're tilting at strawmen, and sadly don't even realise it.

p.s.

You're showing where you're getting your ideas from, btw: Lovelock is only a bugbear / environmentalist to paid shills / the massively ignorant anymore; he's simply not that relevent in the modern world, nor is he an Agenda 21 proponent. He's pro massive scale energy production, ffs. When was the last time you heard an "environmentalist" demanding both Nuclear Power and Fracking?

Hint: your sources are probably wrong & bullshit if you find this a little bit incongruous. Time to update your wet-ware.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 09:51 | Link to Comment Seer
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Well, we know that because something hasn't happened in the past that it's not likely to occur in the future! </sarc>

Anyone who puts "green" in front of "environmentalist" should have their teeth kicked in.  How fucking disingenuous.

Murray Bookchin was one of the first persons to coin/use the word "environmentalist/m."  He later retracted his support for the word, opting to use "ecology" instead.  The difference he said was that environmentalists are just looking to preserve resources for future exploitation- it's a time issue, not an issue of protecting anything that might/should need protecting.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 10:58 | Link to Comment Aurora Ex Machina
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First time I've seen a semi-modern Anarchist writer mentioned on ZH, although of course he's not without issues; old school quasi-Marxist economic analysis, and Bookchin was certainly not a deep-green thinker, he expressed everything in terms of utility to the human. "Social Ecology versus Deep Ecology" for instance.

I'd have used Shallow / Deep, but that would have lead to even more confusion; let's just say that like Socialism, Environmentalism is not a word that the USA does well.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:39 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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it doesn't do capitalism very well either.   maybe this is because all -isms have a shadow component that individuals that are living on this land (not the country or the state or any other fiction, but the land itself) have an innate aversion to, whether they are conscious of it or not?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment Aurora Ex Machina
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'isms' are just universal schema, hacked in from external sources - there will always be damage if allowed to dominate.

As for shadows ~ I'm still trying to process the women-in-blue-outline-spirits who came to visit...

 

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 16:38 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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did they make a sound?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 14:30 | Link to Comment Aurora Ex Machina
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Oh yes; quite the conversation.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:50 | Link to Comment The Miser
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Maybe the cracked Liberty Bell was a sign, way back then, that we will be losing our liberty. We have a very scary future.   

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:52 | Link to Comment Joebloinvestor
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Would you trust anyone who LIED to your face?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:53 | Link to Comment mrktwtch2
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im a sad man for i am what they call a scatter..a man gifted with a small glimpse of the futUre but can not change it but "he is the wise one for he knows the storm that is coming and shall have a umbrella ready"..author unkonwn.....but in the end my fellow man we are going through rough changes but 150 yrs form know they will look upon us with pity..for we were just young fools.."..i wish i could go to the yrs 2162 and tell them we did try..but the crooks owned the government at that time and i tried to SURVIVE..

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:53 | Link to Comment mrktwtch2
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im a sad man for i am what they call a scatter..a man gifted with a small glimpse of the futUre but can not change it but "he is the wise one for he knows the storm that is coming and shall have a umbrella ready"..author unkonwn.....but in the end my fellow man we are going through rough changes but 150 yrs form know they will look upon us with pity..for we were just young fools.."..i wish i could go to the yrs 2162 and tell them we did try..but the crooks owned the government at that time and i tried to SURVIVE..

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:56 | Link to Comment HamyWanger
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This is conspriacy theory, pure and simple

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:45 | Link to Comment AgAu_man
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I am intrigued how conditioned we've become, insofar the mere expression "Conspiracy Theory" scares and repels 90% of the populace from someone's "thesis" or "hypothesis".

Propaganda labeling is a lot easier and faster than doing Due Diligence in a counter-argument, isn't it, my Agent Provocateur friend?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 03:56 | Link to Comment The Joker
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Run down to walgreens and buy a bottle of red pills.

I don't understand why the term "conspiracy theory" has such a negative connotation to it.  Everything is a theory until accepted as fact when it can no longer be disproved.  Conspiracies exist, no one in their right mind can deny that.  If you think this is a "conspiracy theory" then disprove it.  If you have no evidence or facts that disprove the theory, then the theory stands (as it is well beyond hypothesis at this point) and you can close your eyes and ignore it.  Go to your happy place.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:59 | Link to Comment vegas
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Nice article, but tell me something I don't already know. Free entitled shit is the name of the game, and your average clunkhead in Amerika votes for more. There isn't anything I see on the horizon to change, or even slow down, the inevitable financial collapse when SHTF. Play the markets and use profits to buy physical gold and silver; get the fuckout of Chalky Sotero's vision of Utopia before it is too late.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:14 | Link to Comment The Old Man
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Vegas. Same thing goes for the bankers and PTB. So what's the beef? If you need a bailout, just become a bank. Then you can hedge too.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:09 | Link to Comment Darth Mul
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"What the average person can’t seem to process through their government public school educated non-critical thinking brains is that there are actually a small group of bankers, politicians, corporate executives, media magnets, and shadowy billionaires Jews who call the shots in this country."

 

Not a complete fix - but that ruling 2% is disproportionately comprised of a group comprising 2% of the population.  Certainly well over a 3rd and probably over 2/3.

 

So the 'correction' above is inaccurate and will surely be described as "anti-semitic" - but do we take that to mean you can't even mention a small group having disproportionate power?  Because it means that those outside the group have even less power - particularly with regard to steering foreign policy.

 

When the head of the IRS {until recently}, CBO, SEC, CFTC, FDIC, Office of Budget and Management, National Economic Council, Council of Economic Advisors - as well as chief of staff and chief counsel to the president are all Jewish, and Jews are 2% of the population, and we can't even talk about it - clearly it is the case that the Jewish minority practically controls the government as to the economy and crying "antisemitism" as its mere discussion is *still* an effective Bernaysian/Orwellian tactic to prevent thought crimes as designated by that very 2%.

 

Fun fact: American Jews are wildly *underrepresented* in the US Military.

 

But to my knowledge, JINA is the only ethnoreligious think tank in DC... Richard Perle is still fat, happy and free.

 

Cute.

 

 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:24 | Link to Comment Kastorsky
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9/11 Conspiracy: Names, Connections, & Details

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_fp5kaVYhk&list=FLrigYRNH4VGVIR2z-NJM9sg...

proud to be antisemite

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:00 | Link to Comment DavidPierre
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SmokeyQuinn has ADHD so bad that 43 minutes is way beyond his very limited ability to sit still and possibly learn the truth behind 9/11.

Hell... he cannot even sit still for 5 minutes without picking his buggers (anal boogers) and eating them.

Ignorance is his Strength

http://www.corbettreport.com/911-a-conspiracy-theory/

 

 

 

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:38 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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What is with these ad hominem attacks? I think that such a disgusting approach is counter-productive.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 03:18 | Link to Comment DavidPierre
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Yes... you're right.

But I know what Quinn likes after all these years.

He takes these insults as a compliment and will plagiarize them to use on his bloody, butt-buddies blog.

I have my evening taste of some fine BC Bud and laugh my ass off at his lame retorts.

Don't deny an old man a little mirth.

 

 

 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:14 | Link to Comment AgAu_man
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I hear you. But, rather than being scared or upset with your analysis, I arrive at a different conclusion:

How is it that certain athletes, performers, teams, companies and groups are consistent winners? Why? A: because they all have WINNING COMPETITIVE ATTRIBUTES.

So, rather than till the same unproductive soil of conspiracies and group-hating -- while perhaps emotionally satisfying for some low-brows -- I would suggest that it would be far more productive, more competitive and successful to study and emulate (and improve upon) their Success Attributes.

Under the principles of Extreme Competition, raising the bar, raising the competitor's cost of competing is far superior.

Of course, this requires mental remapping and giving up the familiar, trusted and comfortable Old (lowbrow) ways.

Let The Games Begin!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:29 | Link to Comment Kastorsky
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you are dumb.

you even hear what you're saying?

That some group - whites or whatever, should create rasist, fascist, supremesist, race exclusive mafia.

Assassinate some public official, for starters.

Take control of nations banking, finances, media, law enforcement.

Corrupt everything to the core.

Kill uncountable scores of innocent people.

And only then they will be able to play with jews on the "same level".

Fuck to that.

I say, just start the oven and be done.

 

 

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 04:05 | Link to Comment AgAu_man
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Now, now, no need to get personal.

Before launching into a compulsive attack, you may actually want to learn about Attributes of Success, which you clearly know nothing about.

What is 'dumb' however, is the notion that a person or a group can rise to the Top by using the lowbrow methods you describe, and which -- interestingly enough -- come to your mind quite readily.

You speak of 'gassing'. It may interest you and the all too many Neo Nazis, hicks and bigots trolling this site, that a number of my Christian ancestors were gassed. In Auschwitz. By fellow-Christians. For secretely opposing the Nazis, and aiding the resistance.
No doubt your direct ancestors were bleeding and dying for the same noble deeds, as your Polish name suggests?

Thank you for your enlightenment and helping 'raise the bar' in ZH analysis.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 10:03 | Link to Comment Seer
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"Attributes of Success"

Is that a measurement related to today's (modern era's) unsustainable world?

If we skip right past the FAILED premise that perpetual growth on a finite planet is possible/good then I suppose that one could argue "success" as just about anything, though, clearly, not about the success of the continuance of the human race.

If nothing else this helps demonstrate that deception is alive and well in human nature.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 03:17 | Link to Comment Kastorsky
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 there were no gas chambers in auschwitz, or anywhere.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:09 | Link to Comment The Old Man
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No. In contrast, they have the MONEY and BACKING to win.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 08:44 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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But to my knowledge, JINA is the only ethnoreligious think tank in DC...

 

I think you meant JINSA

 

"To learn who rules over you, simply learn who you are not allowed to criticise." — Voltaire

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 10:05 | Link to Comment Seer
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In my book, any post including a quote by Voltaire deserves a green arrow :-)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:34 | Link to Comment Jam Akin
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But wasn't The Wall officially sanctioned by Tavistock? /s

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:15 | Link to Comment smacker
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"Mother should I trust the government?"

Apparently not.

RT.com are leading tonight on a plot -- known about by the FBI but not revealed by them to the victims -- to assassinate leading members of the Occupy Wall Street group using snipers: http://rt.com/usa/news/fbi-assassination-ows-sniper-227/

It's not clear WHO was behind this plot but it looks like powerful forces in Corporate America, Homeland Security and perhaps the FBI itself.

Is this the new Fascist America? When do the purges begin?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:21 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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"...a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo30hYkJWzc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzDp0on9g4Q

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:25 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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With the main post I can agree almost completely.

There is a reason that the NSA is taking countless billions in our tax dollars and building data centers to record and store every key stroke that is made on the internet. This government could not sleep at night until they were able to store every thought recorded by the public on the internet. Now they can store it all, and using the new soft ware they will be able to connect every thought to it's writer. Meaning, in my case, that I will be one of the very first to be hauled into the secret torture prison gulag that out great free nation has built and is even now filling with so called extremist Muslims. As Pink Floyd said in a song. "Listen son said the man with the gun. There's room for you inside."

Floyd made their music when I was quite young, but even then I knew they had a handle on what was about to come down. Or as David Bowie said in a song "You'de no doubt take an overdose of you knew what's going down."

 

You wanna know how fucked America is? Go to the mall and watch the crowds. Visit a Walmart. Turn on the TV. Stop at McDonald's.

There is enough evidence do damn us all to hell. As Charlton Heston put it in the ending to "Planet of the Apes. "Damn you all to hell!"

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:25 | Link to Comment Zer0head
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"Meaning, in my case, that I will be one of the very first to be hauled into the secret torture prison..."

 

please enjoy (viewer discretion)

http://bit.ly/X1KesO

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:51 | Link to Comment icanhasbailout
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Moreso than the Milgram experiment, we're being subjected to a mass Stanford Prison Experiment.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:00 | Link to Comment Jam Akin
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Except that the guards have more firepower in this iteration of that Psych 101 classic.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:52 | Link to Comment besnook
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the chinese are your friend(for the time being). they are the only powerful nation in the world not infested with the zionist parasite that has devoured the west. they will do the world a favor by destroying the beast once and for all and reign over a thousand years of peace on earth.

can't wait for the abrahamics to realize the savior(antichrist killer) is chinese.

(any reference to religion does not imply the author believes in the holy moly)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:30 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Have you read any good histories of China?  There is a lot of blood on their hands too.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:36 | Link to Comment besnook
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i guess you missed the "for the time being" qualifier. .gov of any kind by any people can be extremely dangerous to your health. there will be great opportunity between the time the zionists are routed and china exerts her authority in earnest.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:07 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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10-4, OK, got you.

Peace.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 10:14 | Link to Comment Seer
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NO concentrated center of power is MY "friend." (other than the Sun)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:55 | Link to Comment besnook
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the question is will the revolution begin with a riot that destroys the neighborhood a la watts and detroit or will the revolt begin with a meaningful kill list that will make .gov test the sincerity of molon labe.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:23 | Link to Comment Jam Akin
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unrest somewhere will provide the excuse for the ML test everywhere

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:41 | Link to Comment besnook
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the usa has already seized the opportunity to test the waters with the fortunate(for .gov) sandy hook massacre by a drug addled psycho. i think they are looking for more benign(as far as .gov is concerned) opportunities to increase the pressure. a few more psycho killers should do the trick. ssri drug vendors doing .gov's bidding is the ultimate false flag.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:54 | Link to Comment Jam Akin
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The rhetoric has certainly ratcheted up post sandy hook but nothing of substance has been done yet.  More "opportunites" could help the gun control cause/case - but it will take a threat at the next level to stimulate an escalation in action.  It will be most interesting to see how far "management" tries to push "labor" in each step of the process.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:58 | Link to Comment DJ Happy Ending
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Of the 40,000 who shouted "No" most of them voted for Obama.

 

Unfortunately the superficial awareness of sheep has never fomented change.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:01 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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"What the average person can’t seem to process through their government public school educated non-critical thinking brains is that there are actually a small group of bankers, politicians, corporate executives, media magnets, and shadowy billionaires who call the shots in this country."

I wants me one o' them there media magnets.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:19 | Link to Comment AgAu_man
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"Trust"? Are you kidding? That's a False Flag argument.

When you can't proceed on Trust, you proceed on PRINCIPLES! Duh.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:56 | Link to Comment newengland
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Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. 
(George Washington)

So, the answer to the question is 'no'. Do not trust government. Hold it to account, for every penny it spends, for every war it wages. Hold it to account. 

Post WWI new immigrants fled to the USA from communists, socialists, tyrants, monarchists...every hateful thing that wants to oppress the majority for the profit of the few.

It is time for the descendants of those new immigrants to speak up for the Republic, the Constitution, their families - and defy the NDAA, the crypto-communist one party rule of corporatists in CONgress.

Tyranny comes soon when the elite seek to disarm the law abiding peaceful people, under the guise of 'safety'.

For recent evidence of that, see what happened in Nazi Germany, Bolshevik Russia, Europe, slave nations in the Middle East and Far East.

It is time for new immigrants to speak up for the Republic which gave them and their families refuge from hateful regimes: the communists, socialists, monarchists and oligarchs/Nazis.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 03:57 | Link to Comment Radical Marijuana
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Yes, newengland, I think that quote from President Washington is one of the best statements about the reality of government!

I would add two from Heraclitus to that idea that government is like fire:

Everything is fire, and War is the father and king of all.

http://www.thebigview.com/greeks/heraclitus.html

Obviously, the problem with the Federal government of the USA is that it has become an out-of-control conflagration, that is burning down everything, including itself. Bit by bit, all the checks and balances that were supposed to keep the government as a servant of the people, instead of their master, have been burned away. Therefore, we are now closing in on the time when the government of the USA imposes martial law. One can "trust" fire to act like fire. We are looking at a runaway firestorm, which appears to have already started. This one is probably going to become orders of magnitude worse than any of the previous genocides or democides in history.

The only good theoretical solutions should be based on understanding the nature of fire. Government is basically organized lies, operating organized robbery: legalized lies, backed by legalized violence. One can NOT reason with that dishonesty, backed by coercion. The current system has become a fearsome master, and we have not seen anything yet, since the postmodernizing situation is government powered by ATOMIC FIRE. How much more badly that is going to go out of control and burn us is beyond our imagination! There appear no sane ways to contain that fire, after it gets out of control, as it appears it already has! ... Makes me wonder what people like President Washington would have had to say about atomic powered government?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 10:37 | Link to Comment Seer
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Can anyone note any government that has ever NOT grown?

Even Heraclitus missed the point that ALL WARS ARE ABOUT RESOURCES.   A common failure of those who don't readily toil, those who end up profiting off the gains of wars (acquisition of additional resources).

As you note, however, government is backed by legalized violence.  It is this violence that is necessary for the enforcement of "property rights."

BTW - Water is by far and away the greatest force on the planet.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:04 | Link to Comment newengland
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Mr Quinn,

All well said re: Orwell, the visionary, although I would choose the track by The Who 'Won't Get Fooled Again'.

'Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.'

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:08 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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FWIW Dept: 

Hollywood since the late 30's???early 40's has been heavily infiltrated and influenced by [with hard-core] communist. So much so, that Reagan came public?... but he himself, owed Hollywood a great deal for his political career? 

Now... back to Bernays *[lived to be 103yrs old and died in Cambridge Ma./MIT?] . He would be proud as a 'NBC/ Comcast Peacock?', as would Goebbels who coached Hitler himself, whom had a private auditorium where he personally would recite and perfect speeches for maximum effectiveness. Everything was prescribed by informal prescription for a positive overwhelming response of unbiased jingoism!

Note: Goebbels and Bernays were contemporaries in which both respected the other... but never met! Goebbels really admired Bernays as strange as it sounds.

This is how oambi honors his unsung mouthpiece-- giving Hollywood free money... and a pocketful for Chris Dodd the CEO of the Motion Picture Assoc.[MPAA]!  http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/01/01/hollywood-loophole-fis...

"Who Controls America"

eg., 'Who controls the State Department'; 'Who Controls the Economy'; The Treasury; Goldman Sachs; Wall Street #1 & #2; The News/ Media/ Radio/'MSM'; ... etc.,etc., __ just link sidebar and go directly to summary at bottom of page.  Double your pleasure and link names with __  Http://www.muckety.com

search box!!!    http://www.thezog.wordpress.com/who-controls-the-state-department/  

Thankyou Mr. Quinn [as usual, fascinating and enlightening post]

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:12 | Link to Comment newengland
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The status quo wants fighting in the streets so it can run off with the money as per usual. Reagan calling the Taliban the equivalent of the founding fathers ought to shock people into realising how the powerbrokers hate them, use them, despise them and only want their subservience and tax money...and adulation under voting for fascists disguised as democrats.

The USA was founded as a Republic; all for one, one for all. It was not  a democracy, mob rule: all out to get what they can from anyone else.

Democracy is extremist, as is communism, socialism, corporatism - all of it selfish, money grubbing,, self serving.

See CONgress for the most recent example.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:00 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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Bingo!!!

'Nixon couldn't wait for the great republic to evolve into a democratic-socialist government?

 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:13 | Link to Comment luna_man
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Simply, good reading...Looking forward to part two.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:03 | Link to Comment earleflorida
Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:15 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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NO TRUST, NO TRUST, NO TRUST!

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:52 | Link to Comment neutrinoman
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I hate to rain on someone's parade, but Reagan didn't meet with the Taliban in 1985, because the Taliban didn't yet exist in 1985. They were formed in 1994 or 1996 (can't remember exactly). Made-up reality indeed.

The main US-allied group in Afghanistan in the 1980s was the Northern Alliance, which was later an enemy of the Taliban. We abandoned them in 1989, when we abandoned Afghanistan, only to discover we needed them again in 2001. Here's the real tragedy of American foreign policy: short attention spans.

I assume that anyone weaing turbans from Afghanistan is assumed by the author of this post to be "Taliban," because, well, aren't they -- those "towel-heads" -- all? :(

 

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 02:48 | Link to Comment uncle reggie
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Correct and furthermore, Reagan's qoute was made regarding the Contras.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 14:51 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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Fail!!!

In 1979, Nal't Sec. Adv. Zbigniew Brzezinski [Carter adm.?] met with Afghanistan's freedom-fighters, before they even  became what is known today as the Taliban, Mujaheddin, al Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood, etc., etc.,!     http://www.newsone.com/1285745/cia-osama-bin-laden-al-qaeda/

America under Reagan, fought what was a clandestine [covert?] war and was an 'illegal war'[ref. john glenn/ congress foreign affairs int'l agreement/ npt] helping Afghanistan through the Pakistanians. 

What's remarkable was at the same time the U.S./CIA/ FBI were funneling all sorts of cash into the Bhutto governments coffers.... Abdul Qadeer Kahn [the father of Pakistan nuclear bomb] was secretly using the funds to develop Pakistan's vast nuclear program and delivery [n.korea/china co-conspirators] system. 

Reagan was an asswipe... period!  Oh, and don't forget Iran-Contra!

So please read up before you open your mouth!!!

 

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:14 | Link to Comment Neo1
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Irrecusable obligation, which according to 'Bouvier's Law Dictionary' (1914 ed.), is "a term used to indicate a certain class of contractual obligations recognized by the law which are imposed upon a person without his consent and without regard to any act of his own." This is distinguished from a recusable obligation which, according to Bouvier, arises from a voluntary act by which one incurs the obligation imposed by the operation of law. The Income Tax succinctly described is an irrecusable obligation. However, if anyone else accepts this private credit and uses it to purchase goods and services, the user voluntarily incurs the obligation requiring him to make a return of income whereby a portion of the income is collected by the IRS and delivered to the Federal Reserve banksters. Actually the federal income tax imparts two separate obligations: the obligation to file a return and the obligation to abide by the Internal Revenue Code. The obligation to make a return of income for using private credit is recognized in law as an irrecusable obligation. The voluntary use of private credit is the condition precedent which imposes the irrecusable obligation to file a tax return. If private credit is not used or rejected, then the operation of law which imposes the irrecusable obligation lies dormant and cannot apply. A Banksters defeatism (realization of defeat) nightmare, Being forced to Return to Real Money=United States Note=Lawful Money, Use the Remedy within the Federal Reserve Act. Redeemed 12USC411, Refusal Penalty 12USC501a http://savingtosuitorsclub.net Stop being a Slave!!!!!! This is Tax Free Money!!!!!!!! www.stormthunder.com

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:22 | Link to Comment hawk nation
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I am getting so fed up with the ignorance of my family members i am almost looking forward to the collapse so i can tell them i told you so i so i can tell them to leave my property.

bottom line is i am forced to prep for all the sheeple in my family untill reality finally sets in with them

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 03:44 | Link to Comment honestann
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Unless you have endless resources, save yourself.  By saving sheeple, even family, you hurt the cause.  If you want to save others, save those who have worked to understand, are willing to take actions, and unwilling to take orders.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 05:28 | Link to Comment MyBrothersKeeper
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"A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool relies on either"

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 10:03 | Link to Comment viedoklis_lv
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People has lost their true self - their spirituality. Their family, society, envoirment, TV, goverment - everything around it has created each person it's false ego mask that needs to be supported each day, each hours, each minute. To support this false ego mask people must do what the creator asks - buy, sell, f*ck, k*ll, lough, ignore, etc. Anything that necessary false mask asks for.

But that is not what you are - you come to this world without this false mask & you will leave it without it when you will die.

 

Life is like beeing at train station waitting room - no-one is there forever, you can't take with you anything from waitting room with you like chair you are sitting right now - your train will come and you will leave it as you came to this train station. Only fool will engrave it's name in a chair and will call it's his - because his train will come and he will leave this chair to someone else. 

 

Only thing what you could do is eith break this chair or upgrade it if you can - so who ever will come after you will either have better or worst conditions.

 

Now, do what you can to leave this world a better place - don't leave it a Cabal prision for future humans. Remmber it's not possible to avoid death - there is nothing to fear it. You have died many many times.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:02 | Link to Comment gnomon
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If you agree to be their slave, they may let you live, (not likely, but possible).

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!