Guest Post: On New York Times Op Ed: "Let’s Give Up on the Constitution"

Tyler Durden's picture

Via Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

This New York Times Op Ed by Louis Michael Seidman, a constitutional law professor at Georgetown University, is one of the most absurd and dangerous articles I have read in a very long time. This guy’s incredible conclusion is that it is the Constitution of the United States itself that is causing all that ails the nation at this time.  Not once did I read about the Federal Reserve, or the “war on terror,” or the banker bailouts, or the complete destruction of the rule of law in recent years.  Nope, none of that.  Instead, this scholar’s conclusion is that the founding document, which created the fertile breeding ground for freedom and free markets and led to tens of millions of people to flee to from all corners of the globe, is the problem.

I suppose someone failed to remind Mr. Seidman that the oath of office for the military and those that hold political office continues to be:

I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

As I have said for years, a key part of the macro agenda of the corrupt elite has been and continues to be the destruction of the U.S. Constitution.  While the Bill of Rights is already being dismantled behind the scenes, Mr. Seidman is part of the effort to “sell this”to the sheeple  as I noted in my article: Here We Go…Slate Magazine Bashes the First Amendment.  I expect more of this type of propaganda going forward.

From the New York Times:

As the nation teeters at the edge of fiscal chaos, observers are reaching the conclusion that the American system of government is broken. But almost no one blames the culprit: our insistence on obedience to the Constitution, with all its archaic, idiosyncratic and downright evil provisions.


This is not to say that we should disobey all constitutional commands. Freedom of speech and religion, equal protection of the laws and protections against governmental deprivation of life, liberty or property are important, whether or not they are in the Constitution. We should continue to follow those requirements out of respect, not obligation.

The above paragraph is important for two reasons.  First, he picks and chooses what part of the Constitution he agrees with and then says those things are good and should remain.  More disturbingly, he then says we should defend freedom based on “respect not obligation.”  This is insane.  The reason the Bill of Rights exists is to enshrine the protection of civil rights under the law so that an authoritarian government cannot trample them.  Do you really expect government to protect civil rights out of “respect” if they are not obligated to by law?  Not a chance.  Then he concludes with:

But before abandoning our heritage of self-government, we ought to try extricating ourselves from constitutional bondage so that we can give real freedom a chance.

Full Op Ed here.

Please pass this on to every freedom loving American you know.

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ekm's picture

Give up on constitution. Give up on family. Give up on work.

You guys are fucked.

Raymond K Hessel's picture

I posted the article on my FB and not one comment or like.  It really feels like the zombie apocolypse.  


UP Forester's picture

I reckon my oath is still valid....

Bicycle Repairman's picture

The NYT should be shuttered and Michael Seidman should be jailed.  First amendment, you say?  Sedition, I say.  Not all speech is protected.  Sedition, for example.

SafelyGraze's picture

we need to go ahead and give up on it so that someone can tell us what the next one says

besides .. a constitution isn't actually necessary

forexskin's picture

can't say it better than this guy.

"i believe the battles of the insurrection will be fought in new york city, in washington d.c., and in chicago, illinois and finally, los angeles and san francisco, california because that is where the enemy is.  in those cities the insurrection will find its most visible and iconic targets, those most actively seeking the imposition of tyranny.  there will be found the politicians who posit public protection when what they really intend to impose is the foundation (in the removal of our weapons) for the attack on our other liberties, ... , that being the imposition of restrictions upon free speech and assembly."

Michaelwiseguy's picture

I don't want to hear it referred to as the "Fiscal Cliff" anymore.

From hear on out we are going to be referring to it as a "Fiscal Episode".

Everyone needs to get on the same page with this and refer to it with the proper ZH terminology.

Thank You.


Centerlines's wife said;

Like my wife says... "I'm a good person and have nothing to hide."  Then goes on about more protection from all the criminals and terrorists is a good thing and worth the price of certain freedoms.

I say;

I have everything to hide from the people whom I personally do not authorize to see my shit. I do not authorize my government to store even my writings hear on Zero Hedge. Yes the general public can store my writings on their hard drives, but NOT my government employees on government databases with my tax payer dollars that are going to pay for the government data storage. Get it strait fuckheads. Do you see the difference?

TwoShortPlanks's picture

Why couldn't the theme be, "half the world doesn't give a fuck".

Michaelwiseguy's picture

I have 2 of my own, so I don't give a shit. My brother has 3 mm.

strannick's picture

University Profs are the worst fascists around. They are tenured imbeciles sequestered in their Ivory Towers contemptuous of working people and their values. They can only maintain their idiotic beliefs because they are tenured imbeciles sequesterd in their Ivory Towers.

fourchan's picture

the constitutional powers have been turned upside down as it is.

the power no longer flows from we the people, down to local government, down to state government, down to federal government.


the whole system is on its head.

Michaelwiseguy's picture

The Price, of blowing up the whole fucking planet with nukes, to secure My Freedom and Liberty, is worth it.

GetZeeGold's picture



If we just kill that little corksucker from shouldn't come to that.

TwoShortPlanks's picture

I reckon about 90% of this forum are as good as dead, or at best, serfs within 1-2 decades.

I also predict that the US will eventually pass a law which forbids US citizens from exiting the States without an exit visa. Then you'll need to make application to have kids (already predicted) as part of the US One Child Policy.

Fuck that. If I were you, I'd go out with guns blazing....just let me get my popcorn first.

GetZeeGold's picture





I think most Americans are planning to do exactly that.


Bring it bitchez.



EnslavethechildrenforBen's picture

Tar and feather the mother fucker, hang him and light him on fire. That should do it.

SilverDOG's picture




                WOLVERINES ! ! !

derek_vineyard's picture

i had to stop saying f____ c____ several days ago for my sanity

the next phrase to be retired is 'rinse and repeat'-----its getting under my skin


TruthInSunshine's picture


  • Louis Michael Seidman, Geoffrey R. Stone, Mark V. Tushnet, Cass R. Sunstein & Pamela S. Karlan, The First Amendment (New York: Aspen Publishers 4th ed. 2012).    [BOOK]
First Amendment

In his book Democracy and the Problem of Free Speech Sunstein says there is a need to reformulate First Amendment law. He thinks that the current formulation, based on Justice Holmes' conception of free speech as a marketplace “disserves the aspirations of those who wrote America’s founding document.”[18] The purpose of this reformulation would be to “reinvigorate processes of democratic deliberation, by ensuring greater attention to public issues and greater diversity of views.”[19] He is concerned by the present “situation in which like-minded people speak or listen mostly to one another,”[20] and thinks that in “light of astonishing economic and technological changes, we must doubt whether, as interpreted, the constitutional guarantee of free speech is adequately serving democratic goals.”[21] He proposes a “New Deal for speech [that] would draw on Justice Brandeis' insistence on the role of free speech in promoting political deliberation and citizenship.”[19]

Military commissions

In 2002, at the height of controversy over Bush's creation of military commissions without Congressional approval, Sunstein stepped forward to insist, "Under existing law, President George W. Bush has the legal authority to use military commissions" and that "President Bush's choice stands on firm legal ground." Sunstein scorned as "ludicrous" an argument from law professor George P. Fletcher, who believed that the Supreme Court would find Bush's military commissions without any legal basis.[17]

In recent years Sunstein has collaborated with academics who have training in behavioral economics, most notably Daniel Kahneman, Richard Thaler, and Christine M. Jolls, to show how the theoretical assumptions of law and economics should be modified by new empirical findings about how people actually behave.

The interpretation of federal law should be made not by judges but by the beliefs and commitments of the U.S. president and those around him, according to Sunstein. "There is no reason to believe that in the face of statutory ambiguity, the meaning of federal law should be settled by the inclinations and predispositions of federal judges. The outcome should instead depend on the commitments and beliefs of the President and those who operate under him," argued Sunstein.


Sunstein has argued, “We should celebrate tax day.”[24] Sunstein argues that since government (in the form of police, fire departments, insured banks, and courts) protects and preserves property and liberty, individuals should happily finance it with their tax dollars.


Tsukato's picture

Fuck all of you! I'm going to say what needs being said- FUCK THE JEWS!!!!! When are you sorry little pieces of shit gonna realise the truth staring you square in the face?!?!?! This small, albeit, well organized group of people is hell bent on destroying your country. They are taught from birth to hate all goyim, and that we are all shit. A people who have been persecuted for thousands of years, must be doing something fucked up.

Now... commence with the red arrowing, and fuck every one of you nutless cunts who do it!

Ham-bone's picture

thanks for sharing your idiocy...always nice to know no matter how fucked up things are, there's always someone else even more fucked up. 

Now hurry off to Northern Idaho and don't forget to wear your white hood...and remember it's always easy to be stupid.

Tsukato's picture

Stupid? Think so? Bet I can buy and sell you, like my bitch. Now, shut the fuck up.

Tsukato's picture

Actually, I have something else I'd like to say, and I'm sure some of the cunts here will go ape shit. You've been influenced to hate Muslims since 9/11, and even before that, they were always portrayed in the media, as people bordering on being lunatics. Can't you see by now, the the Mujhadeen are us?! These are the last people on earth fighting for freedom. I'm not talking about American payrolled thugs destroying Libya and Syria. I'm talking about the run of the mill guys who've been gunning down Yankee oppressors these past 10 years. You hate these people, and they're the only ones fighting for all our freedom. You all are just too fucking stupid to see it. Go back to sleep and do the Kike's bidding, you buncha fucking cattle.

LasVegasDave's picture

Im with you; I like that kind of freedom too

1.  subjugating women

2. Demanding obedience at gunpoint to a 6th century child rapist

3.  And I hear its a pretty tolerant religion too

Tsukato's picture

I'm not a Muslim, but I gotta wonder... You ever been outta North America. Saying all Muslims are like those folks in eastern Pakistan, is like saying all Americans can be represented by Appalachian hillbillies. Try learning something before opening your stupid yap. Now, fuck off.

Bloodstock's picture

Destroy America as we know it and then they take it for their own. Their region is comtaminated with their DU munitions. I'de be moving too.

Tsukato's picture

The Jews are skating on thin ice. Its only a matter of time before someone gets pissed off enough, and borrows a tactic out of their own playbook to use against them. Say, someone sets off a bomb somewhere, or guns down a buncha people, and takes credit for it, but calls themselves some sort of Israeli defence organization, and claims the american's aren't doing enough for them, blah, blah, blah. In about 30 nanoseconds, Jews everywhere would see the gigs up, and the Goyim gravytrain has left without them. Fucking parasites.

TWSceptic's picture

Thanks for destroying any credibility this community might get when new members read the comments. Plenty of jewish people are on "our side" you fucking moron. Peter Schiff might ring a bell. The idea that all jews are inherently evil is a collectivist idea (not to mention stupid) so I got news for you: you're not on my side, and you're not on any libertarian's side with an IQ above shoe size.

Fuck you and your fascist ideas, seriously.

Tsukato's picture

Lets censor ourselves? Good idea Uncle Tom. Fuck you, and fuck Peter Schiff. I needn't hold my tongue for any man. You are like the slaves in the old south. There was always a white apologist slave. Would say shit like not all white people are bad. My masters a good man, etc. well let me fill you in on something- you are that negro down on the plantation 160 years ago. So, though there are good Jews, I don't have to give a shit about them at this point in time. There are destroying my country, and more than that, they are destroying a beacon of hope for humanity, even though it may have never been true.So why don't you go fuck yourself, you spineless little cunt. Your kind, the fickle, the lukewarm, are a fucking plague.

Parabox's picture

So painting all muslims with the same brush - bad.  Painting all Jews with the same brush - fine and dandy.  Got it. (ass)  

SilverDOG's picture



Pot calling the kettle black I dare say, you are.

US and Israel are truly the best performers of such as well.

Schiff endlessly strokes himself egotistically.

I removed my investments with Europac and have done far better without Schiff.

He is only on his side. I highly doubt he would sacrifice a gram for anyone.

Jews are NOT solely responsible for ongoing train wreck.                                                       

Sadly, repeatedly so, Jewish people are a higher percentage of those in "power" 

making decisions which hinder all. They are but elevated puppets, who shall

be blamed, as they willingly and openly abused granted positions.

Oligarchs will laugh...AGAIN.

Divide and conquer, Bitchez.

Tsukato's picture

One more thing: who said anything about being a libertarian!? Fucking idiot! I'm a free man. I needn't subscribe to any party- especially one so filled with impotent, tough talking, Internet warriors. Hahahaha! You and your kind are a fucking joke, an you can't even see it. I'm light years ahead of you morons, and ten times as free.

CH1's picture

Funny that whenever someone mentions Sunstein, one of his employees shows up here to derail the conversqation by screaming Jew.

Tsukato's picture

What are you talking about? You needn't worry that I'm a Jew. I most definitely am not, though I do have some Jew friends in Israel. Don't hate any type of people, but, as a group, if they fuck up something as big as my country, I'll be the first to say "kick them out". No death is needed. Just get them the fuck out of the country. Let them all go to their promised land, and lets cut off all their aid too. Or aid the Palestinians to an equal degree, and let them do to each other as they please.

Grinder74's picture

So you're not a jew, a muslim, a libertarian...besides absolutely insane just what are you?

Tsukato's picture

You forgot, I'm also not a snide, backbiting, passive-aggressive cunt like you.

Anasteus's picture

"The interpretation of federal law should be made not by judges but by the beliefs and commitments of the U.S. president and those around him, according to Sunstein."

Yes, this is exactly in accord with the Protocol No. 10, § 11-16, WE NAME PRESIDENTS of The Protocols.

Guess what is Cass Sunstein's nationality?

SmallerGovNow2's picture

Tyler / strannick, "constitutional law professor"....

that says it all...

Ayn NY's picture

And since they live such cloistered lives, they have the emotional maturity and depth of experience as the 20 year olds they teach.

redpill's picture

Remember all those times people said the villains in Atlas Shrugged were ridiculous exaggerations? Gentlemen, I give you Louis Michael Seidman. What a fucking ignorant prick.

TwoShortPlanks's picture

Welcome to 'Sustainable Development' and the 'New World Order'...1984 style!

It's gonna happen whether you like it or not....oh, and by-the-way, any talk about the elites losing ground on the NWO, or Agenda 21 getting attacked and having a set-back is just another disinformation cog in the Hegelian Dialectic controls.

Any violent resistance to this evolution (forced change) will be benificial to the propaganda machine as it grinds the middle class and the US Constitution to a pulp.

Hunger Games comes to the Land Of The Free And The Home Of The Brave.

I am soooooo going long popcorn!

Here's something soothing while you wait for the lights to go out:

Michaelwiseguy's picture

I have 51 9mm hollow point bullets strapped to my waist that says otherwise.

TwoShortPlanks's picture

I've got two words which make your 9mm hollow points futile and pointless....Crack Thump.

And for those who didn't like my previous post, how about this cunts in the States are fucked! No, seriously, and I'm not being weird or nothing, but you really are gonna get completely and utterly fucked up the ass on this one.

Anyone who thinks that theyr'e gonna put up any amount of resistance is a fucking dreamer living in the ultimate movie marathon.

I saw enough of Hurricane Sandy to know, for sure, that 95% of the US public will cave-in after 2 missed meals and one cold night. A further 3% within a week or so...that's it, that's all you've got.

Fuck me. If I ran the UN I'd dump petrol into the grain supply, pump sewage into the water system, play loud screeching noises throughout the cities, litter the roads with caltrops, spray tear gas from planes and drop huge percussion bombs night and day denying sleep. I'd have you on your knees within 2 weeks without firing a single offensive shot.

Ralph Spoilsport's picture

"Psychological Projection can also extend to philosophy and knowledge. This occurs when a person or small group of people assume that everyone else is working with the same ideas and/or information that they are."

So you watched on TV no less the pathology of a subculture that most of the US laughs at: fucking New Jersey. You don't know shit about the people that really make this country what it is.

SilverDOG's picture



Well we are down to 2%.

Thankfully, the same amount fought, founded, died and defended the creation of, The Federation of the United States of America. 

See you on the other side... and do not get off of your knees because when we end our food deliveries to the WORLD, you, will be begging. 

Stack 'em high.

sessinpo's picture

TwoShortPlanks   "Fuck me. If I ran the UN I'd dump petrol into the grain supply, pump sewage into the water system, play loud screeching noises throughout the cities, litter the roads with caltrops, spray tear gas from planes and drop huge percussion bombs night and day denying sleep. I'd have you on your knees within 2 weeks without firing a single offensive shot."


Pardon me, but those examples you listed are offensive shots. What you are trying to say is you would commit those acts in a way as to not be blamed for it. That is a different situation and story.


Regardless, I'd love viewing your head through my scope with a winchester 308 cartridge in the chamber. Or a nice Scott's fertilizer bomb would do the trick. In other words, I have many options, like the UN or YOU.