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Guest Post: On New York Times Op Ed: "Let’s Give Up on the Constitution"

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Via Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

This New York Times Op Ed by Louis Michael Seidman, a constitutional law professor at Georgetown University, is one of the most absurd and dangerous articles I have read in a very long time. This guy’s incredible conclusion is that it is the Constitution of the United States itself that is causing all that ails the nation at this time.  Not once did I read about the Federal Reserve, or the “war on terror,” or the banker bailouts, or the complete destruction of the rule of law in recent years.  Nope, none of that.  Instead, this scholar’s conclusion is that the founding document, which created the fertile breeding ground for freedom and free markets and led to tens of millions of people to flee to from all corners of the globe, is the problem.

I suppose someone failed to remind Mr. Seidman that the oath of office for the military and those that hold political office continues to be:

I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

As I have said for years, a key part of the macro agenda of the corrupt elite has been and continues to be the destruction of the U.S. Constitution.  While the Bill of Rights is already being dismantled behind the scenes, Mr. Seidman is part of the effort to “sell this”to the sheeple  as I noted in my article: Here We Go…Slate Magazine Bashes the First Amendment.  I expect more of this type of propaganda going forward.

From the New York Times:

As the nation teeters at the edge of fiscal chaos, observers are reaching the conclusion that the American system of government is broken. But almost no one blames the culprit: our insistence on obedience to the Constitution, with all its archaic, idiosyncratic and downright evil provisions.


This is not to say that we should disobey all constitutional commands. Freedom of speech and religion, equal protection of the laws and protections against governmental deprivation of life, liberty or property are important, whether or not they are in the Constitution. We should continue to follow those requirements out of respect, not obligation.

The above paragraph is important for two reasons.  First, he picks and chooses what part of the Constitution he agrees with and then says those things are good and should remain.  More disturbingly, he then says we should defend freedom based on “respect not obligation.”  This is insane.  The reason the Bill of Rights exists is to enshrine the protection of civil rights under the law so that an authoritarian government cannot trample them.  Do you really expect government to protect civil rights out of “respect” if they are not obligated to by law?  Not a chance.  Then he concludes with:

But before abandoning our heritage of self-government, we ought to try extricating ourselves from constitutional bondage so that we can give real freedom a chance.

Full Op Ed here.

Please pass this on to every freedom loving American you know.


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Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:58 | 3117830's picture





Three, sir.


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 14:19 | 3119302 F. Bastiat
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What is 2+2 ?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:28 | 3117508 lordbyroniv
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This guy is a lawyer!!!


He took an oath to the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the land!!!



Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:31 | 3117523 newengland
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He is a modern lawyer, a shill. His oath is to himself, and he pays lip service to anything else which his arrogance presumes to alter as he deems fit. 

He is a liar, a traitor, an enemy of the people.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:03 | 3117611 lordbyroniv
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Someone REALLY needs to contact the Grievance commitee of the state where he is admitted.


If TREASON and SEDITION is tolerated than why have a grievance committeee?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:17 | 3117655 john39
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Probably a dual citizen... From a certain little shithole ME country that somehow keeps turning up at the center of the world's problems.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:18 | 3117534 Jam Akin
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Our country is "led" by our Revisionist-Constitutional-Scholar-in-Chief.  (Who was disbarred in the state of Illinois some years back - don't need to be a member of the bar to teach law, only to practice apparently)  Why should we be so surprised or outraged at this editorial nonsense?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:03 | 3117617 Imminent Crucible
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Little spellling error there: He needs to be

Fixed it.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 03:44 | 3117931 The Heart
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"He took an oath to the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the land!!!"

All liars, er, lawyers/attorneys take an oath to the supreme law of de land...the Queens land and that bad old putty-tat and her bankster cronies in da london town are the Supreme Law of the their itty-bitty little pointed heads dat is.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:28 | 3117509 dick cheneys ghost
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The disease is our Monetary System.


Fuck you rothschilds/rockefeller

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:28 | 3117510 Top_Kill
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I believe this arcaic document had the foresight to layout rules for changing it. This can be done at any time Dillhole!

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:24 | 3117673 Telemakhos
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Aside from the "Dillhole" comment, this is the most cogent thing I've seen said about Seidman's article.  The Constitution is not an inflexible or rigid dogma but a realistic and minimalist framework for governance, and as such it contains provisions for its own amendment, so that it can adapt to the times.  America has changed significantly since 1789, and the Constitution has been amended 27 times to accommodate those changes.  The process of passing an amendment is difficult and slow, obviously slower than Seidman would like, but that is because maintaining the rule of law, rather than devolving into tyranny, requires democratic processes to ensure that the changes accord with and derive from the will of the governed.  The current form of the Constitution is not only the work of the Founding Fathers but also of the collective will of every generation of the American people; in fact, the twenty-seventh amendment, ratified in 1992, was proposed in 1789.

Seidman's real point, though, is that he'd like to remove the basis for institutional authority with a view towards somehow forcing debate on issues.  But, this was exactly the purpose of the legislature and of the limited executive.  Two of the three problems he's cited, Presidential war-powers and Supreme Court involvement in affairs alien to the Constitution's scope, are the direct results of overreach of Constitutional boundaries, the renewed respect of which would serve far better to cure the ills Seidman decries than his own plan of abolishing those boundaries.  The other problem, that of Congress and the purse, is a more complex weed of federalist hubris and excess stemming largely from abuse of the Commerce Clause but also enabled by collusion from the Executive branch, which finds its own power increased alongside Congress' when each refuses to check the other.  The remedy for that overreach lies not only in respecting the boundaries established within the Constitution but also in pruning both the Legislative branch of many of the powers arrogated to itself and also the Executive branch of many of its encrustations.  Scrapping the framework of governance in favor of eliminating the bounds that should circumscribe government, however, is simply an invitation for unchecked excess, not a remedy of it.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:07 | 3117725 F. Bastiat
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Bravo!  Aside from the Aside from the "Dillhole" comment, of course.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:29 | 3117511 newengland
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He is a traitor who serves foreign ideas. The Constitution and Declaration of Independence are the very source of why oppressed people fled to the USA from hateful regimes abroad  - the same hateful regimes that still exist abroad: communism, socialism, fascism, oligarchs, tyranny, mass murder of civilians, taxation without representation, bureaucratic impotence fed by academic arrogance.

The time is over due for relative new immigrants since WWI to say why their families found refuge in the USA, away from all those hateful regimes.

The USA is imperfect, but its Constitution seeks a more perfect union among equals, inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by any money whore, media lackey, 'educated fool' or 'useful idiot' as Lenin described people like Michael Seidman... or venal politician.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:54 | 3117726 F. Bastiat
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It is certainly a primitive set of alien superstitions espoused by the likes of Seidman, Cass Sunstein, Gyorgy Schwartz, Andrew Stern, Fox-Piven, Bill Ayers, and Joseph Schwartz.

Very, very primitive stuff.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 02:14 | 3117854 CompassionateFascist
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Bill Ayers? Bill Ayers?? Ohyeah, Bernadine Dohrn's shabbatz goy. 

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 03:54 | 3117938 The Heart
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Well said thank you.

"- the same hateful regimes that still exist abroad: communism, socialism, fascism, oligarchs, tyranny, mass murder of civilians, taxation without representation, bureaucratic impotence fed by academic arrogance."

All these are puppets on the chessboard. Please expand your horizons and ask, who creates all sides, every one, and pits them together to gain from the losses both sides take in wars and conflicts? Give ya a hint.: They call money god and rule countries with it.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:29 | 3117515 keesooi
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The one and only Tom Woods did a albeit short takedown of this:


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:12 | 3117643 forexskin
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excellent work, especially some of the considerably insightful comments by readers.

In my view, Mr. Seidman's argument here is simply a cleverly packaged offer of support for more Centralization. With regard to his comment about 'following requirements out of respect, not obligation': Since when did men 'respect' each other for any length of time without a set of rules or standards above themselves, before one imposed his rule upon the other - by way of Force...?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:50 | 3117517 surf0766
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RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRuck this P.O.S and his useless communist / socialist/ NWO opinion.


He is book buddy with Cass Sunstein. No more needs to be said !

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:44 | 3117708 F. Bastiat
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Tar and feathers are seriously under-utilized these days.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:30 | 3117519 bskiles
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I thought we already gave up on the Constitution. How about we go back to it? 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:40 | 3117546 James-Morrison
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What does it take for ZH to become a State?

With it's own zipcode, two senators etc.

We are already a state of mind.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 07:23 | 3118063 JoBob
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The seed for revolutionary (transformational) thought has to be germinated somewhere, so why not in the ZH state of mind?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:31 | 3117522 A Lunatic
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I honestly have trouble coming up with any Constitutional provisions which have not already been obliterated by so called Constitutional Lawyers. I live in a country where men in battle gear can kick my door down, confiscate all of my shit without due process, and cart my freedom loving ass off to Gitmo to be indefinitely detained with no reason or recourse. So sure, let's do away with the pretense of Constitutional authority and get right down to brass fucking tacks shall we???

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:16 | 3117653 SilverRhino
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Amendment III is the ONLY right in the Bill of Rights still completely in force. 

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 02:07 | 3117845's picture

We still foot the bill for the standing army's housing.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 03:28 | 3117908 Wakanda
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Lunatic is mostly right - the sacred American Constitution has failed.  Brass fucking tacks is obviously the next step since the rule of law is a parody of a joke.

We are coming close to the part of the cycle (or story) where it is easier to admit failure and accept the burden and hard work of re imagining, re defining, and re building, than it is to keep pretending.  Admitting failure is tough for an empire, but love it or hate it, the USA still has courage and determination in its DNA.  It will take all of those good qualities to pull off the transformation that is inevitable and desperately needed.

The Second American Revolution, being sparked by assholes from Georgetown U and the NYT.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:33 | 3117525 bag holder
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He's right, you know.

“But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.”

- Lysander Spooner

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:41 | 3117549 Water Is Wet
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Spooner doesn't play well with the Zerohedge libertarian crowd for some reason.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:59 | 3117602 A Lunatic
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Stirring the social contract kool-aid with the Lysander Spooner often gets mixed results.........

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:40 | 3117697 sun tzu
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Quoting a nobody doesn't give your opinion more credence. In the history of this country, Spooner is a nobody

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:39 | 3117801 Rossalgondamer
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A leash doesn't just attach to the dog.



Thu, 01/03/2013 - 10:08 | 3118345 karzai_luver
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How about Jefferson.


Abolish it as the document has lead to the idiot raving in this thread, it clearly is a fail.

The country is berift of any that can reason above a 2nd grade level.

Have at it, you sound exactly like the Muslim extremists that cheer for death to the infidel.


The state has really done a masterful job of indoctrinating fools like you.




Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:33 | 3117526 Cabreado
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"As the nation teeters at the edge of fiscal chaos"

Fiscal chaos be damned.

The real chaos -- cause and effect -- is in the collective mindset of a critical mass of the pathologically Self-Absorbed. 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:34 | 3117532 Mike in GA
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I can't know the future any more than anyone else but I don't see how this can stand much longer. Everything seems so unsustainable but continues to be levitated by emergency fixes, smoke, mirrors and a decidedly low-information populace. Lurching from 'great problem to great problem', fedgov growing at each crisis, is considered governance today.

I have to agree with several posters on ZH who have withdrawn from economic and electoral participation in this insane form of (low) life. There's no fixing this now. No one will voluntarily retract their outstretched hand, personal or corporate, much less fedgov fiefdoms. Collapse sure seems inevitable.

I know there are many who deride the founding documents for all the reasons we've all read before. For you guys/gals, red arrow away. I'll feel like you'll be validating my thesis thereby.

I believe there are many more like me who still get a shiver when we read the words of those brave and courageous men who stood up for liberty and freedom so future generations could benefit, if they so chose. I am grateful to them and their sacrifice.

The maintenance of liberty requires responsibility of a moral nature. Lack of that maintenance leads to catastrophic failure, period.

We've lost something so beautiful and wonderful and rare. It's so rare in fact, the only currency that purchases it is blood.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:42 | 3117554 mayhem_korner
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Fourth turning.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:46 | 3117570 A Lunatic
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Ideologically we have two Americas and the chasm is too wide to bridge. Might as well make it official.......

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:52 | 3117587 Shell Game
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Flyover states and the South, the haters/takers can have the rest.  We can teach them what strong borders mean..  ;)

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:03 | 3117616 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Now we're talking. The Northeast and the West Coast can FOAD. 

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:45 | 3117714 F. Bastiat
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The red counties are the legitmate Constitutional Republic, the legitimate Union.  The alchemic urban utopias are basically occupied territory.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 02:08 | 3117847 Karlus
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I do not think there is an interest in dividing the country, rather those that produce will witthold to those that wont and we will see how long Cali and the Northeast can hold out.

They might get some care packages from Russian container ships, but I feel like it will disgust Putin to help these lick spittles.

Yes, i will defend the authors freedom of speech, but that does not mean I will not bring war upon his house.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 14:21 | 3119313 F. Bastiat
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Certainly, conquest is a legitimate option.  The others being surrender and separation, IMO.

The moral depravity in DC is serious under-estimated by those who have not been exposed to it.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 02:00 | 3117731 F. Bastiat
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That is true.

The questions now are What? and How?  An amicable separation of the legitimate Union of red counties, from the alchemic urban utopias, would seem to the most prudent path to take.

Sow the seeds, build public opinion.

The central government is morally, intellectually, and fiscally bankrupt.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:29 | 3117783 Cabreado
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"Ideologically we have two Americas and the chasm is too wide to bridge. Might as well make it official"

I don't think so -- let's not make it official yet.

There is Resolve, and there are the Clueless.
The Clueless are in dire need of affirmations... that the Resolute can provide...

it is the assholes that stand in the way.

It always works that way.



Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:52 | 3117814 Pareto
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Its America's moral compass.  Its the perfect document that enshrines personal and economic freedom for everybody, everywhere, all at once, and always.  When we think about throwing it out for something else, we ought to know that it is at that moment that we are giving up inalienable rights for an allocation determined by others who have no incentive to protect your personal and economic liberty and instead have every incentive to take as much away from you as possible, everywhere, all at once, and always.  It saddens me that such a great history can be so easily discounted.  As if it never happened - a moral deterioration we thought could never happen.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 10:11 | 3118358 karzai_luver
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Those brave men would have thrown this doc in the trash as they see what it has allowed to be brought about.

The cowards are those that bray for the state at the top of their lungs so as to protect their ipad and their lake house.

The founders would disown the lot of you timid cowards.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:36 | 3117535 stant
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for gods sake lets kick this war on and get it over with. we will either have a republic or no one left to care.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:37 | 3117537 Jim in MN
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Let's give up on Goldman Sachs agents having any part in our government.

Fuck corruption and anyone who doesn't want to fight corruption.

Fuck red herrings.

Fuck social issues.

Corruption is the issue.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 04:58 | 3117981 Hobbleknee
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Ok. How do we go about doing this?  Seems like voting doesn't matter.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 10:53 | 3118513 Jim in MN
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A few starting points:

1.  Note in all meetings and discussions involving business or finanacial planning that corruption is taking at least 1% off of GDP growth, and ensuring zero real returns on all major asset classes for the forseeable future.  Back up with good articles and citations such as Bill Gross (PIMCO), etc.


2.  Boycott the crap out of all DC/NY/TBTF institutions you can.  That means using local banks and credit unions.  Try to get your local churches, small businesses, friends and town government to do the same.


3.  Tell the truth.  Simply and at times with humor.


4.  Voting and politics are vile these days but it's worth trying to keep them viable.  Just ask about corruption a lot.


5.  If anyone cares, we should also close the NY offices of the Treasury and Federal Reserve, ban all contact between TARP recipients and any government/elected official, impose a lifetime ban on any TARP recipient employees or paid consultants/lawyers working in government, raid all HQ offices of TARP recipients, "temporarily" jail their executives, and mirror their hard drives on the Internet for public examination.  But, no one cares about actual policy.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 08:51 | 3118152 autonomos
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Election is not democratic

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:38 | 3117540 InvalidID
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 I hope LOUIS MICHAEL SEIDMAN chokes to death on hooker spit.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:42 | 3117556 Lin S
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Seidman choking to death on a big black penis would be funnier, I think.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:49 | 3117579 A Lunatic
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Especially if the owner of said penis was in fact named George Washington. Oh the irony........

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:52 | 3117585 Lin S
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+ 1

LOVE it!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:39 | 3117541 Lin S
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Yes, by all means, let's give up on the Rule of Law.  We'll outlaw freedom of speech first. 

On second thought, what say we keep the Constitution and just HANG this treasonous motherfucker, instead?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:54 | 3117589 newengland
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I vote for the second option, but apparently, it is bad manners to kill the crypto-communist profiteers...err, professors... although their ideas kill anyone with impunity.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:41 | 3117543 lakecity55
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It will soon be time to prosecute these lizards.

Patience, Patriots.

We may be able to arrest this guy before he flees to Cuba.

His statements are open sedition against the United States.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:47 | 3117552 Dr. Engali
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Most of the sheeple don't know what the constitution is an how it protects them. The majority that do know what the document is don't have a clue what's inside of it. To them it's like the bible is to most Christians..... " I know it's important but I'm too lazy to read what's in it".

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 10:03 | 3118334 Random
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The constitution thing is a trap imho, on one hand only the US citizens, the residents or the legal aliens benefit from its protection and on the other hand invoking the constitution means that you recognize yourself as a trustee or franchise of the United States Of America corporation (headquartered in District of Columbia that poses as the olden US), as a property, that inherently has no rights. In this light, in this day and age (opposed to the intended Constitution of free men) you are relinquishing ALL your rights as a free human being by being under the "protection of the Constitution" accepting its privileges (that can be revoked at any time, without requiring a reason for doing so).

I might be way off though.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:43 | 3117557 Theos
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Jesus fucking christ.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 13:02 | 3118968 Grinder74
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Really?  How about you show a little diversity and use some other religions' deities instead.

Mohammed Fucking Prophet.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:43 | 3117559 Freewheelin Franklin
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"The Constitution has no inherent authority or obligation. It has no authority or obligation at all, unless as a contract between man and man. And it does not so much as even purport to be a contract between persons now existing. It purports, at most, to be only a contract between persons living eighty years ago. And it can be supposed to have been a contract then only between persons who had already come to years of discretion, so as to be competent to make reasonable and obligatory contracts. Furthermore, we know, historically, that only a small portion even of the people then existing were consulted on the subject, or asked, or permitted to express either their consent or dissent in any formal manner. Those persons, if any, who did give their consent formally, are all dead now. Most of them have been dead forty, fifty, sixty, or seventy years. And the constitution, so far as it was their contract, died with them. They had no natural power or right to make it obligatory upon their children. It is not only plainly impossible, in the nature of things, that they could bind their posterity, but they did not even attempt to bind them. That is to say, the instrument does not purport to be an agreement between any body but “the people” then existing; nor does it, either expressly or impliedly, assert any right, power, or disposition, on their part, to bind anybody but themselves.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:47 | 3117571 Freewheelin Franklin
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The ostensible supporters of the Constitution, like the ostensible supporters of most other governments, are made up of three classes, viz.:

1. Knaves, a numerous and active class, who see in the government an instrument which they can use for their own aggrandizement or wealth.

2. Dupes – a large class, no doubt – each of whom, because he is allowed one voice out of millions in deciding what he may do with his own person and his own property, and because he is permitted to have the same voice in robbing, enslaving, and murdering others, that others have in robbing, enslaving, and murdering himself, is stupid enough to imagine that he is a “free man,” a “sovereign”; that this is “a free government”; “a government of equal rights,” “the best government on earth,”2 and such like absurdities.

3. A class who have some appreciation of the evils of government, but either do not see how to get rid of them, or do not choose to so far sacrifice their private interests as to give themselves seriously and earnestly to the work of making a change.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:04 | 3117612 newengland
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4. My family and our community since the 17th century.

You are a nihilist, Lord Haw Haw.

It is time for new immigrants since WWI to speak up for why they fled to the USA, the Constitution and Declaration of Independence - away from the hateful regimes abroad: the monarchists, oligarchs, communists, socialists, feudalists who still exist, aided by wage slaves like you, and the profiteer professor Siedman, the 'educated fool' and 'useful idiot' as Lenin would say.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:31 | 3117680 Oldwood
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So there is no law I am bound to other than those I have personally signed and agreed to? Cool, cause I ain't signed shit! I'm free!

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 08:09 | 3118099 Ghordius
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this means that the Luisiana Purchase is null and void because both president Jefferson, Napoleon and all the others living in 1804 are dead, so a quarter of the USA rightfully belongs to France, eh? ;-)

interestingly, Jefferson had to defend the constitutionality of the deal, as well as it's place among other treaties

oh, and Alaska belongs to Russia, of course, because nobody that was present at the Russo-American Treaty of 1824 is still living

just sayin' - funny legal opinions coming from those guys

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:43 | 3117560 Smuckers
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Finally, maybe a good reason to cue the drones on his ass.  Out of respect, of course.



Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:43 | 3117561 nmewn
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Monarchist, oligarch, statist, quack...teaching kids constitutional law.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:44 | 3117564 Savyindallas
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When I was in law school at Catholic University 27 years ago, Georgetown law School was 80% Jewish. God knows what it is today. Anyone from Georgetown should certainly not be seen as reflecting the views of the Jesuits or Catholics-not that I have any respect for the Jesuits or catholics in general.   

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:52 | 3117584 MFLTucson
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Why don't we throw this fuckin Jew the hell out of the country or move his sorry ass to China? 

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 08:10 | 3118105 Ghordius
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tsk, tsk, what language... why? because he is under the protection of the constitution and laws of the US

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:52 | 3117586 Kastorsky
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Louis Michael Seidman

Can anyone guess his ethnicity?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:04 | 3117619 Savyindallas
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Jewish name, and Georgeton Law is almost entrierly Jewish   - so he's almost certainly a Jew. There are lot's of good Jews, but there sure are a lot of bad ones who subvert all that uniquely distinctive about the American culture  -they have been actively working to subvert and destroy this culture since the early 20th century. That's not conspiracy or anti-semitism  -it's fact. Of course the orther internationalists like the Rockefellers have been working hand in hand with them. Can't say the subversion of all that we know as American is a Jewish conspiracy. Jews clearly are the front men for their dirty works.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:09 | 3117631 MFLTucson
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And that is because history has proven the TRIBE to be sewer rats. 

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:57 | 3117733 F. Bastiat
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It seems that over 90% of the Marxists are Jews. That is most certainly not a good reputation to have.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:54 | 3117822 Twodogs
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Which rear end of yours did you pull that figure from?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:59 | 3117826 F. Bastiat
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Well, let's name some names: Cass Sunstein, Karl Marx, Seidman, Andrew Stern, Gyorgy Schwartz, Joseph Schwartz, Fox-Piven, Stephen Lerner, Peter Orszag, and Bill Ayers. 

That's nine Jews out of ten well-known marxists.

Obviously, the converse doesn't apply.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 02:18 | 3117858 Twodogs
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Dude, you're a little short on the marxists front.  You could get that it one room in any university in the western world.  Half of the Australian government are marxists, and i doubt any of them are jewish.  Get a grip!

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 04:46 | 3117974 WTFx10
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But their Bankers are

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 10:17 | 3118375 MFLTucson
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What difference would it make; the fact is accurate and more likely 95% not 90%. Your people have been the most hated in the world, any explanation as to why?  Your mouth or someone’s rear end, same difference to me!

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:17 | 3117656 Tsunami Wave
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I see he's collaberated on books with Cass Sunstein, Geoffrey Stone, and a bunch of other liberal douches that want to destroy the constitution.  Man.. this is just fucking CRAZY


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:44 | 3117709 sun tzu
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The scary part is that those inbred chimps are in power. Hopefully enough of the military and police will refuse to obey their orders when the time comes

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 02:04 | 3117837 Tsunami Wave
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I think there will be an inevitable cultural civil war in this country.. I don't know about a real one.. but one sort-of experienced in England in relation to their problems with the IRA minus the car and other bombings.  People will be mad as hell.. and it's these fucking disgusting PRICKS have NO BUSINESS saying we should get rid of the most influential document in this history of the world. If they wanted, why the hell don't they move to another country that fits their political beliefs.


This utterly useless and completely disgusting piece of shit, and his other minions not only have no appreciation or capability of understanding just what this document gave us when it was introduced in a world of kings, shoguns, tsars, sultans, and other completely autocratical leaders.... whom by the way their subjects had NO property rights, total freedom to start and run businesses, pass inheritances on to their family members, etc (Yeah, revolutionary, I know)... but they want to fucking destroy this country! Just UNREAL.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:52 | 3117588 ebworthen
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Some people deserve denunciation, some a brow beating, some a flogging, and some just need hanging.

I'll leave it up to the mob what to do with sods like this guy.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:12 | 3117640 XitSam
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I vote for banishment. Seems appropriate.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:54 | 3117595 devo
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Any foreigners have a spare couch??

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:09 | 3117632 XitSam
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Simon Black thinks Chile is a good idea. And Doug Casey will be glad to sell you a home site in Salta, Argentina.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:12 | 3117644 devo
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That all sounds very complex. I'd rather just have a couch or chair in someone's woodshed.

I'm pretty good with markets, but turn into a Bernanke-level-idiot when it comes to moving out of the country.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 10:20 | 3118383 XitSam
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I agree, I'll be staying. I will soon have a (drafty) woodshed, feel free to drop by.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 07:29 | 3118066 Element
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not letting that on the rug, might be useful in a crab pot.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:58 | 3117601 Blazed
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Simply another dual "citizen" rat!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:59 | 3117604 MFLTucson
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If not for the US Constitution this piece of shit paper would not have been printed.  Does this Cock Sucker think the Chinese Government or Mr. Puttin would like him telling the people to disobey there governing documents or government?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:59 | 3117605 piceridu
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I guess for today, let's not feel obligated by the First Amendment...Where's the nearest lamp post?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:01 | 3117610 XitSam
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The TSA Out Of Our Pants guy had a response too.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:12 | 3117638 tooriskytoinvest
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White House Can Kill Americans With Drones And Keep It Secret Rules Judge

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:21 | 3117664 newengland
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The profiteers...err professors of law...  agree with fascist ideas, and CONgress - contrary to the Constitution.

However, implementing their cowardly ways will be a different matter when push comes to shove.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 07:52 | 3118083 Element
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Hmm ... "Wednesday" ... that would be last Wednesday, the 26th of December 2012.

Seasons Greetings!


White House Can Kill Americans With Drones And Keep It Secret Rules Judge
January 2nd, 2013
A federal judge issued a 75-page ruling on Wednesday that declares that the US Justice Department does not have a legal obligation to explain the rationale behind killing Americans with targeted drone strikes.


If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck. Take lots of notes and names. 

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:13 | 3117645 sgorem
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just fuck it all.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:13 | 3117646 Diggintunnels
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Get active in local politics. Be prepared for rough times and outwork these elitist idiots in waking people up to what is happening to our republic.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:37 | 3118655 Calmyourself
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Sure that will work because the local press will give favorable coverage to local politicians who espouse freedom and self reliance? Ahh no.  Local press is comprised of the same sycophantic suck ups the national press is composed of it always amazes me that communties like ZH overlook the true issue, the press.  Without the willing allies in the press the statists like Seidman, Sunstein and others would never gain traction, demand real reporting from your local and national press and this all starts to change.  They are easy to influence go after their advertisers and explain you will not do business with crony's of the state.

It is the real weakness in all their plans their ability to publicize and influence through "journalism"

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:02 | 3117647 Blankenstein
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I assume that if the constitution is thrown out, the laws of the land will also go?  So Seidman's property is up for grabs as there are no property rights nor laws to prosecute those who take his property.  The Seidman types better be cafeful as to what they wish for.  There are consequences to idiocy.  

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:17 | 3117657 SmoothCoolSmoke
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This guy is a bozo.  But no more a bozo than those who would defend the Constitution by taking away this guys right to free speech.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:43 | 3117810 Temporalist
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He clearlyy thinks his "right" to free speech is archaic.  He doesn't want it so why let him have it?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 04:02 | 3117949 zebrasquid
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The right to free speech ends when you are advocating disregarding the very document that granted that right.

They call it treason for a reason.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:20 | 3117663 They Tried to S...
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Extermination would be an appropiate outcome.....even with all its archaic, idiosyncratic and downright evil provisions.


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:30 | 3117678 Diesel Seven
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A fucking academic bookworm. It's like a professed atheist serving as a pastor. Georgetown, what a fucking joke.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:50 | 3117721 F. Bastiat
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Quite pathetic, actually.  Who in their right mind could possibly take Georgetown or Harvard Law seriously with clowns like Siedman and Sunstein running around? 

Sunstein's book "Nudge", for example, steals a bunch of superstitions from the Communist Manifesto and then attempts to present them as profound scholarship.  It's complete nonsense.  At least Marx was creative - Sunstein's just a pseudo-intellectual thief.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:31 | 3117679 Jethro
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I don't think this is the scenario Voltaire had in mind when he said ,"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". Voltaire was dealing with people who ostensibly had no other frame of reference other than subjugation. This "law" professor is from a free society, yet chooses ultimate slavery. May his chains rest lightly...

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:35 | 3117689 sun tzu
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Just remember who these guys are when the system collapses due to the elitists and their lackeys in the media. These sick assholes are going to start a civil war that nobody will win

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:36 | 3117690 PowerzThatB
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I picked this up from another blog regarding the elite who want to do away with our Constitution:

That’s a personal guarantee. Your unswerving loyalty to the Constitution does not protect me. It protects you. Because as long as you are sticking to the rules that we’ve agreed upon, I have to stick to those rules as well. The moment you decide to ditch the Constitution and start making up the rules as you go along, the rest of us will feel free to make up a few rules of our own. I can assure you that you won’t like them.

When might makes right, as surely it will when we have no Constitution to describe the limits of our government, I will take great pains to be among the mighty. Best for all concerned that we keep muddling along under the Constitution, alert for would be tyrants on either side who wish to exceed that document’s authority. It’s much safer that way.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 03:57 | 3117901 honestann
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Too bad that the person who said that is fictional.  Or if they are not fictional, they talk the talk, but where are those who walk the walk?  Answer: the predators-that-be and predator-class have gone over the line dozens if not hundreds if not millions of times.  Response?  All talk, no walk.

I question whether there are sufficient people still willing to face reality, not simply emit words.  Except the predators, of course.  They deal with reality all the time (as well as words, of course).

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:45 | 3117713 Bagbalm
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If you remove the Constitution there is no basis for having a Federal government except the exercise of naked power.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:04 | 3117753 The Joker
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There was a tribe in the Amazon that used to, when someone committed an offence to the tribe, strip them naked, insert a large wooden pole, carved from rubber tree, up their ass, hoist them upright, and march them round and round through the village while the pole slowly forced it's way inside and up the person until he died.  It was a slow, painful, humiliating death induced by a 5" diameter roughly carved pole shoved up their ass.  It sometimes could take up to a day for the person to die, but they marched him until he did. 

So, if the powers want to remove the Constitution, maybe we strip the powers naked and give them some sphincter exercise.  How's that for exercise of naked power?

Just a thought.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:31 | 3117787 F. Bastiat
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A nice deterrent, that's for sure.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:45 | 3117715 Seasmoke
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i ask again, how many Jews , were involved in writing the Bill of Rights ???

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:34 | 3117790 F. Bastiat
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They seem to be more occupied with manifestos and the like.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 02:10 | 3117850 Twodogs
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I dunno.  Were they allowed to?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:47 | 3117717 holdbuysell
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Money shot right here (from the article):

"Our sometimes flagrant disregard of the Constitution has not produced chaos or totalitarianism; on the contrary, it has helped us to grow and prosper."

Seems he hasn't been keeping up on current events. Reminds me of this one, as the situation was on the cusp of rolling over:

"Subprime is contained"

Cue Kyle Bass:

“They’re not going to tell you that a collapse is coming. You’re going to have to see it for yourself. The government’s never going to tell you that it’s going to happen. These guys are never going to tell you the truth, because they can’t tell you the truth. Their job is to promote confidence, not to tell you the truth.”

I also keep in mind that he is just as conflicted as Krugman is as both are huge beneficiaries to maintaining the status quo of incarcerating students in the $1,000,000,000,000 debt bubble, which is also now popping.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:47 | 3117719 The Heart
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Well, we might as well give it up because these guys that are preparing to go house to house doing gun confiscations seem to have already got this in their heads. The American govt is about to declare war on it's own people. After all the mayhem and chaotic insanity, china will come in to clean everything up as agreed to, and then claim america's bread basket.

Listen to this Lieutenant speak his story on the Pastor Butch Paugh's radio show about what is coming. He says they intend on carrying through with it after the economic collapse. Darn sad to hear this and hopefully, it helps people understand what they might expect soon during some ungodly hours in the early morning.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:55 | 3117729 Sandmann
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Reads like a Lawyer who has realised the futility of Lawyers and Judges in making rules for living. He clearly indicates what a farce much Supreme Court decision-making really is - Roe v Wade could hardly be considered a "Constitutional" issue and yet the whole basis of Blackmun's previous role at the Mayo Clinic and the ability of the Supreme Court to strike down a Texas Statute rather than a Federal Law is an indication that Seidman feels this particular track has run its course and the Constitution cannot be any more elastic. In short much of the Supreme Court is a farce passing legislative issues to unelected judges chosen for their political affiliation - a sort of Privy Council in English terms legislating without regard to voters

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:56 | 3117732 Yes_Questions
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and Honey Boo Boo is TLC's mascot..




Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:59 | 3117734 newengland
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It is treason to undermine the Constitution, as this profiteer professor knows, but he does it anyway in order to serve his foreign ideas.

The biggest surge of immigration came to the U.S. from people fleeing tyranny in their homelands, and seeking the inalienable rights under the Constitution; rights no money whore or political expediency can revoke unless by force of traitors like this lackey profiteer professor serving his foreign aims and CONgress.

Who can seriously doubt that the power which a millionaire, who may be my employer, has over me is very much less than that which the smallest bureaucrat possesses who wields the coercive power of the state and on whose discretion it depends how I am allowed to live and work?


Beware of fancy words from fraudsters bearing the gift of their 'knowledge' and 'expert opinion'...all the better to make state slaves of the majority for the inner party, the chosen ones, as Orwell foretold in 'Nineteen Eighty Four', the socialist dystopia.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 00:59 | 3117741 williambanzai7
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One thing is certain, without the assent and will of the people, the piece of paper becomes meaningless.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 09:09 | 3118183 tip e. canoe
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consent is a concealed but critical concept.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:06 | 3117742 earleflorida
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Justice Ginsburg, not ready to retire or die... one way or the other-- they'll have to carry her out like Rehnquist? 

Obi will find a contemporary with the same mind set? Goyim's need not apply... unless of course, of african descent-- oops 

Ps. Roberts has some serious health problems!!!    jmo

Note: sorry,... just link through 'google search box'.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:01 | 3117745 orez65
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Mr. Seidman you are an embarassment to the human race.

I would think that your peers at Georgetown University would all be laughing at you, but I believe that they are all just like you.

Your article is just totally absurd, it is totally ilogical.

And you boast of 40 years of constitutional scholarship!

I'd like to remain calm and collected but:


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:10 | 3117758 syntaxterror
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Definitely not giving up on printing money. It's toilet paper now, just like the constitution.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:12 | 3117759 Twodogs
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*Double post*

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:13 | 3117760 Ox
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Fuck these fucking fucks.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:16 | 3117767 W74
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According to the mooching class, real freedom is taking from those who work and giving to those who are too stupid/lazy to take care of themselves or who make (continually) poor choices in life.

Oh and being able to do it legally and without shame in their eyes.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 04:38 | 3117971 WTFx10
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Divide and Conquer,

Our culture has been trained to look down at those poorer than ourselves and scrutinize them more closely for such infractions on the slave work ethic. That way we aren't looking higher up the ladder to see who is defecating on us. It's a nice trick that works well for the owners and their minions.

You are a well trained slave, bravo. now jump through this hoop and suck my dick.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:19 | 3117770 earleflorida
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hmmm... judicial activism [living in the moment?] v. judicial restraint ["history does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" ! m. twain]

go figure...

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:22 | 3117773 Steverino
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What a fucking moron..

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:30 | 3117785 TahoeBilly2012
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The Left are on some bizarro/nazi kick that they just won the election, they are going to make the ignorant red necks like black people and also break their doors down and take their guns. The American mind control machine is running overtime on the big gang of idiot Liberals who think they are the open minded/big hearted team, when they are the new Fascists...just get them some outfits with rainbow colors, bullet proof. Sick world.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:37 | 3117797 devo
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Game. Set. Match.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:31 | 3117788 Ides of Marc
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PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CIRCULATE HIS EMAIL FAR AND WIDE!! In the case you'd like to write dear Professor Seidman your comments as well: Author of "Let’s Give Up on the Constitution"




Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:33 | 3117791 devo
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Fuck you, Seidman.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:33 | 3117792 Ides of Marc
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PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CIRCULATE HIS EMAIL FAR AND WIDE!! In the case you'd like to write dear Professor Seidman your comments as well:
Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:34 | 3117795 AgAu_man
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If one were to question the author's heritage publicly, that would be treated as racist and 'worse' (anti-Semitic), and the legal, media and economic wrath would be upon you.

Yet this piece of treasonous sedition will go without any such consequences.

Although both the former and the latter are wrong, the point is, this scandalous piece of media trash reflects the tragic state of the Union and its Deaf, Dumb and Blind citizens, and the level of corruption of its leaders, judiciary and law enforcement.

The Founding Fathers, Lincoln, FDR, Truman, Ike, JFK, and Reagan must be spinning in their graves.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:37 | 3117798 q99x2
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Michael Seidman that's called treason where I'm from. May the ghost of Jefferson be upon you.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:42 | 3117802 yogibear
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Krugman fits right in with these far left extremist.

Once they destroy the US some tyrant/dictator takes charge and kills off the very people that destroyed the country. The tyrant/dictator will behead or execute the far left liberals like Krugman. The dope smokers and sellers are executed as well.

And these far-left lawyers make for good target practice for the firing squads of the tyrants/dictators.

It goes from the extreme liberals to the extreme hardliners.

It happens all throughout history. 


Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:40 | 3117806 q99x2
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Arrest him. Somebody call the police.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:41 | 3117807 San Diego Gold Bug
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Ship this asshole back to Russia.............actually Russia would be to good for him.  Ship him off to Somalia where he will find out what happens when the rule of law and all ethics are thrown out the window!!

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 02:03 | 3117839 F. Bastiat
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Today's liberals love to claim that "liberty" exists in Somalia because there is no powerful, omnipotent, omniscient central government imposing its will over every individual, at every moment, at every turn.

It's quite an odd argument, actually - do they not understand that liberty is defined as the absence of coercion?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 01:42 | 3117809 Manipuflation
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What power does the U.S. Constitution grant to whom and who or what does it limit?  What if only the 10th Amendment to the U.S. CONstitution were applicable?  Do you all recall that Bill of Rights venture?     

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 02:11 | 3117851 sbenard
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Much better idea: Let's give up on the New York Times!

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 03:04 | 3117892 Wakanda
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Done that.  I haven't seen that rag in years.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 02:34 | 3117866 DaveA
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Our Constitution is a corpse; the Progressives have already amended it to death. Specifically:

The 16th, which gave Congress the means to play Santa with the states and the people,

The 17th, which denied state governments their voice in Congress,

The 18th, which made Congress a nationwide enforcer of moral values (this Amendment is no longer needed because the Supreme Court allows "interstate commerce" to cover what is neither interstate nor commerce).

The 19th, which gave the franchise to people guided by emotion instead of logic,

And finally the 24th, which gave every welfare-sucking parasite the right to vote for a living.

I don't trust anyone alive today to fix the Constitution; it would be safer to break the country into 50 states and let them voluntarily regroup into at least two independent republics. Whoever takes DC inherits the national debt.

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