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A Fiscal Cliff "deal" that reduces GDP and squeezes the consumers; a Fed whose policies have forced massive capital misallocation away from growth investment and are leading to an unprecedented corporate "revenue cliff"; and now, in the aftermath of the government response to the Newtown massacre which threatened to curb the second amendment, we get this via Reuters:


Because when everything is an unintended consequence, nobody has to take any responsibility for anything. And so the New Normal marches on.

More from Reuters:

The number of FBI background checks for U.S. gun purchases set a record in December, as the Connecticut school massacre prompted renewed talk of limits on firearms, according to new FBI data.


The FBI said it recorded 2.8 million background checks during the month, surpassing the record set in November of 2 million checks. The number was up 49 percent over December 2011, when the FBI performed a then-record 1.9 million checks


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Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:23 | 3115152 InvalidID
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 Bullish RGR!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:25 | 3115153 The Juggernaut
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"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action."  - George Washington

Lock and load, Republic!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:45 | 3115241 greased up deaf guy
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i'm happy to report i contributed toward that number :).

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:57 | 3115305 Cognitive Dissonance
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They know who you are and where you live. Not for a moment do I belive that the various states and/or FBI destroy these records once you have been "cleared".


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:08 | 3115362 InvalidID
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 Of course they don't. The idea that they can spy on you without a warrant, can snatch you up off the street and disappear you, but they'd destroy the list of people buying guns?....

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:11 | 3115380 Cognitive Dissonance
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But....but.....but they said they do.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:48 | 3115508 cranky-old-geezer
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Background check eliminated 2A. 

Having to do a background check is asking permission from govt to own a gun.  When you have to ask permission, it's no longer a right.

This is how they wipe out rights.  Making hoops you have to jump thru to exercise them, prohibiting certain people from exercising the right altogether, etc.

The list of "reasons" somebody can't own a gun is growing rapidly.  But there's no such provision in 2A.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:10 | 3115604 Michaelwiseguy
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I feel sorry for the government employees who go around taking guns from law abiding citizens. There will be a lot of dead government employees all over the place.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:33 | 3115712 chumbawamba
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Who says you gotta buy from a retail shop?

United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1:

"No State shall ... pass any ... Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts."

An agreement to buy a gun from someone who wants to sell it to you...isn't that a contract?

Oops!  I just abrogated all gun registration requirements.

You are welcome.

I am Chumbawamba (and they know where to find me, but I think they probably just want to leave me alone).

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:35 | 3115722 Cognitive Dissonance
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In your case I suspect your bite is even worse than your bark. :)

Nice to see you haunting the threads Chumba.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:34 | 3115992 Cognitive Dissonance
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Who would have thought little ole Kentucky was leading the pack? 2.6 million background checks in 2012 for a population of only 4.3 million. And over 10 million in just the last 5 years. Either the same few guys and gals are buying a lot of guns or that is one well armed population.

<Granny, get your guns.>

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:40 | 3116019 chumbawamba
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I met a dude one time in the gun store who was from Kentucky, said he had around 130 firearms of various types and thousands of rounds of ammo for each.  Said he used to go to the pawn shops and wheel and deal.  It's an entirely alien concept to us stupid fucks here in Communifornia.

Good to see you around, Brother.  It's been a long time.

I got some good stuff in the works.  Some real good stuff.  Look for me on the top of the ZH page very soon.  Been delayed while I got my ducks in a row, but now that they're there it's time to start picking them off.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:19 | 3116980 TwoShortPlanks
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When the Bond market breaks, the dollar dies, and lights go out in America, it should look something like this: with more people, and lots more guns.


In contrast:

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:20 | 3117336 RockyRacoon
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Looking forward to your contribution!  Glad to see you.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:20 | 3116145 cranky-old-geezer
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More fake macho bullshit. 

(a) they won't go round trying to take guns, and (b) if they did they'd bring a swat team with 'em, you'd be dead without getting off a shot.

You lazy ass gun owners sit around with your smug "come get 'em" attitude while the nazi president and bankers destroy the country. 

You wait for some nationwide confrontation over guns to start your so-called "revolution" you keep saying is gonna happen. 

But that confrontation will never happen, hence no so-called "revolution".

Are you that narrow-minded?  Coming after guns is the only thing that would get you off your lazy asses?   All the other damage they're doing, rights destroyed, habeus corpus destroyed, due process destroyed, constitution tossed in the trash long ago, letting banks loot the damn nation dry, gunning kids down in schools to push their agenda, none of those treasonous acts will get you off your lazy asses?

Fact is NOTHING will get you off your lazy asses.  There will be NO so-called "revolution" at ANY TIME in the future.  Those 400 million guns you brag about are WORTHLESS and you're DISGUSTING BULLSHIT yourselves.

You'll be in history books alright.  More guns than any nation in history and TOO FUCKING LAZY TO USE 'EM.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:32 | 3116277 chumbawamba
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Well, now we can say we know of at least one asshole who will definitely be sitting in the FEMA camps, feeling sorry for himself.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:10 | 3117114 zerotohero
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you are Chum

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:45 | 3116339 gnomon
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You are getting too "cranky" for your own good.  You don't know how this will play out, none of us do.  But I can assure you that if they ever drop the ball on keeping this Ponzi going, they will be coming for our guns and whatever else we have because the supply lines will be down, and there will be rioting in the streets.

And it is not "macho" to go off half-cocked to no good purpose. 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:23 | 3116534 jonan
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i'm the furthest thing from macho, in fact, more of a metro-sexual mama's boy than a testosterone filled jock...woke up from the dream in 08, started stackin and packin...

hard to say what i'd do if the tyrants pull back the magic curtain, maybe i'd fight, maybe i wouldn't...i spend my working hours in the dream we call the matrix and my free time stackin and packin...perhaps my preps provide me with the same illusion of security that entitlements provide for the sheep...

all i know is, there is a storm brewing and i'm not going to get caught in it without an "umbrella" 

divide and conquer, out of chaos order, nice to know there are people living outside the matrix using the same tactics of TPTB and those stupid fucks who run DC...

at least we are all aware enough to know that we are all on the fucken titanic most people call ' use in tearing each other down when the odds are heavily stacked in the house's favor...

fuck it, the house is sinking anyway...

molon labe??? bitchez? :-s

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:53 | 3117067 10mm
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Hey Cranky,relax,it's going to be gurilla,underground.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:37 | 3115731 pods
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Great post. I said the same below pertaining to permission and rights.
I will probably get knocked around for this, but I think that even felons should be able to keep and bear arms.
They have the same right to self defense as I do.  

Taking away that right is a form of thought crime, or precrime.  

It chaps my ass to hear the words "Law abiding" and "law abiding citizen" tossed around so much in the gun debate.  Law abiding?  WTF kind of Orwellian term is that?

90% of the laws in this land are BS and unconstitutional.  

Which laws do I have to "abide" by to remain law abiding?

What if I like oral sex?  In many areas that is against the law.  What if I serve a steak that is rare?  Sell raw milk? Speed? Buy, sell or consume a 32 oz Big Gulp?

Fuck them and their language.  



Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:42 | 3115761 Cognitive Dissonance
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"It chaps my ass to hear the words "Law abiding" and "law abiding citizen" tossed around so much in the gun debate. Law abiding? WTF kind of Orwellian term is that?"

There are no more law abiding citizens. Just law abiding consumers. Didn't you get the Wal-Mart memo?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:26 | 3115974 A Lunatic
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You're damned rights felons should be able to retain their Constitutional rights once they have paid their debt to society. They did their time and were punished for the crime. To punish them further (for the rest of their lives) is bullshit. I'm not a felon yet, but I imagine anyone worth a shit will be soon............

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:37 | 3116014 LasVegasDave
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Total bullshit.

A key cause of societies breakdown is the lack of meaningful punishment.

Live your libertarian life, buy all the guns, ammo and gold you want, hire and fire whomever you want, go back to a state of limited govt. all fine.

But bring back chain gangs, forced labor and executions for rape, armed robbery and white collar crimes.

Without a meaningful deterrent criminals have nothing to fear and act accordingly.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:16 | 3116202 pods
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Perfect solution Dave, the answer to problems is to give the state more power.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:58 | 3116407 LasVegasDave
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who is talking about govt. power?

you want to enter this community, we all voted on a code of condcut.  You break it, we the citizens will do with you what we see fit.

You dont like that trade, dont ask to enter.  Visit Detroit, New Orleans or Bloombergistan instead by your dirty old self.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:52 | 3116371 A Lunatic
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 If a man has served his prison sentence and is released, what more punishment shall he endure? The prison sentence is the deterrent. Getting out of prison and getting on with a new life is the reward for serving the sentence. We either have Constitutional rights or we do not...........

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:26 | 3115444 MachoMan
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Kind of...  The thing is, there are an incredible amount of sales performed without the gun seller conducting a background check.  If you have a state issued id for carrying a concealed handgun, you might not even have to get a background check...  at that point, the only record of your sale is the form you fill out with the seller ( see question 21+) and these stay in house and are private information, but for specific circumstances (criminal investigation, etc.).  (article discussing some of the issues ) [if you pay with a credit card, all they have is the information of the payment, someone else can go in and fill out the form and have the gun transferred to them]

If there are 2.8m checks, and there is only 1 check for guns bought in batches and certain persons have the privilege of being exempt from the checks when purchasing any firearm, then there's no telling how many guns got added to the ranks in December...  unbelievable.  I wouldn't doubt it if it was 6m+

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:49 | 3115492 Cognitive Dissonance
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If you have a concealed carry permit then they really do know who you are and where you live. :)

I agree there is no way of really knowing how many guns were sold based upon the number of background checks. But that wasn't my point, just that many (not all) states (and the FBI) claim that they do not keep that info beyond a certain (variable by state) short period of time.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:41 | 3115497 chubbar
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If everyone owns a gun then it doesn't matter what records they keep. They might as well just collect the phone books of every city.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:45 | 3115510 Cognitive Dissonance
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I'm unlisted so they won't be able to find me.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:20 | 3115601 Ghordius
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WTF? background checks? I don't even understand the logic. how do you run a background check to see if you will run amok in the future?

the whole biz of background checks has usually a completely different angle from provention from amok runs, it's about identification of weapons used fror crimes, for post-fact investigation

this gun debate in the US is getting more and more insane, imo, I can't get off the feeling that weapon ban scares $ell, and so makes producers happy

seriously, is it not possible to find some compromise - based on areas and referenda, perhaps?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:13 | 3115620 InvalidID
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 But everyone doesn't own a gun. A good sized portion of the population thinks you shouldn't be able to own one either, because they are scarey.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:39 | 3116018 A Lunatic
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A good sized portion of the population also lives in major Metropolitan areas. Hey, I'm all for Bloomberg clamping down on NYC and doing whatever the fuck he wants to his sheeple. I draw the line at Bloomberg and assholes like him dictating those same policies to the rural community. We aren't even in the same book let alone on the same page with those clowns. I don't want to live like NY and Chicago and I don't expect those people to want to live like me. It seems we all want the same be left alone to live and prosper as we see fit.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:43 | 3116035 LasVegasDave
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In las vegas there is a 24/7/365 gun show on

no background checks, no taxes to be paid. hundreds of listings a day

Viva Las Vegas

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:25 | 3115447 DoChenRollingBearing
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Information is cheap to store, and .gov so much more aggresive, that we ALL know that is just another lie...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:41 | 3115494 Anonymous peon
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Even if they do, dealers are required to keep records of all sales for 20 years. The information is all there, just a matter of collecting it.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:55 | 3115507 Cognitive Dissonance
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I agree. It is all out there waiting to be gathered up once the police state goes publicly active.

<In the interest of public safety of course.>

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:28 | 3115699 MachoMan
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This is true and this is what they're already attempting to do (from the link I provided).  It's just like the NSA facility in Utah...  the information can be sorted after the fact...  collecting it is the important thing.  Once collected, it is likely gone forever and virtually certainly in the hands of the government...  while it might not be able to be used to prohibit future crimes (yet), it can certainly be used to pacify political opponents, confiscate contraband, and torque the screws a few extra twists on the feudalist technocracy.

Of course, there are typically NO transfer forms with a person to person (private) sale...  the original registration is available, but subsequent sales have no paper trails...  "who was the man that purchased the gun from you 10 years ago?"  "Fuck if I know... I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday."

This is how the authorities track down shooting suspects once they pull the ballistics off bullets...  every firearm manufactured for the last 30+ years has had its ballistics sent to the feds (you get the spent casing from the test in your gun box)...  they then access their database and go down the list, beginning with the last known owner...  If you don't have an alibi, then you might be in trouble.  The good news is that bullets are often times deformed enough to make this process practically impossible...  presuming they can even be found/extracted.  I have incredible reservations about the accuracy of this process, but it's still done...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:46 | 3115749 Cognitive Dissonance
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"I have incredible reservations about the accuracy of this process, but it's still done..."

"We don't have to prove anything. We just tell you we did." - Coming soon from your local black shirt federal/state official.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:27 | 3115980 InvalidID
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 Coming soon? Already here!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:57 | 3116401 August
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"...the authorities track down shooting suspects once they pull the ballistics off bullets... "

So, use a firearm with "polygonal rifling" (e.g. a Glock);  they are difficult/impossible to match ballistically, at least with the degree of certainty that could stand up to a competent defense attorney. Of course, actual criminal trials are becoming a bit passe.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:55 | 3115551 Navymugsy
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I'm sure they destroy those background checks and I also believe that NSA destroys the intercepts of American data/phone calls/e-mails when they inadvertently come across them lying on the road.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:33 | 3116286 Blotsky
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Same here. Kahr CW9 with a Concealed Pistol Licesence.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 19:32 | 3116786 Room 101
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Speaking of locking and loading....ALERT from Virginia Citizens Defense League from a few minutes ago

VA-ALERT: URGENT! Congressional Republicans to double-cross gun owners?

Many of you may remember Richmond talk show host, Doc Thompson.  He currently has a radio show in Michigan.  Much like me, he gets some "inside" information from time-to-time.

He has received a communication between a friend and someone in the Republican Party leadership.  That communication is troubling as it says the congressional Republicans are seriously considering selling out gun owners to "seem reasonable."

They are considering a magazine ban, changes to background checks, and more.

Here is a link to the email with redactions to protect the sources:


We need to contact ALL of our members of Congress and let them know that NO MORE GUN CONTROL OF ANY SORT WILL BE ACCEPTABLE and that we WILL be watching how they vote on our rights !

This is URGENT and we need every one of you to do your part NOW.  Feinstein is trying to rush through her gun control  bill and time is CRITICAL.  To be as effective as possible, let's both call and send them webmail.

As always, be polite, but firm.

Forward this email to friends, family, and put it on other gun lists that have Virginia members!

If you don't know who your Congressman is, click here and enter your 9-digit zip code in the upper righthand corner (such as 22122-2107).  If you only know your 5-digit zip code, enter that and you will be prompted to enter your home address, later:

District  Congressman                  Phone                          Webmail:

1            Wittman, Robert J.         202-225-4261  

2            Rigell, Scott                    202-225-4215   

3            Scott, Robert C.              202-225-8351  

4            Forbes, J. Randy            202-225-6365  

5             Hurt, Robert                   202-225-4711   

6             Goodlatte, Bob              202-225-5431   

7             Cantor, Eric                    202-225-2815   

8             Moran, James                202-225-4376   

9             Griffith, Morgan              202-225-3861   

10           Wolf, Frank                     202-225-5136   

11           Connolly, Gerald E.      202-225-1492   


Suggested subject:  Second Amendment  (or if no such choice, "other")

Suggested message:

As a constituent I expect you to protect my right to keep and bear arms.  Reject ALL gun control, including, but not limited to:

* Gun bans of any sort
* Bans on magazines or other gun accessories
* Taxes on ammunition
* Background checks on private sales of firearms
* Restrictions on purchase, transfer, carry, discharge, or storage of firearms
* Restrictions, burdens, or additional requirements on firearms dealers, gun shows, hunt clubs or firing ranges
* Creation of any more "gun-free zones"  (we need to eliminate all such existing zones)

I will be watching your votes on gun control carefully and you will lose my support if you support any more gun control.




Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:02 | 3117096 praxis
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Of course these neo con snakes will sell us out.  I've noticed my so called Republican "friends" on facebook have all turned tail and cozied up to the outraged hystrionic liberals demanding "something be done."  They fancy themselves "statesment" and "great compromisers" and they're going to throw assault rifles and high cap mag's under the bus.  They dont give a fuck about the constitution are you friggin kidding me, these douchbag's are as bad as the libs when it comes to wrecking and destroying the constitution. 

At least the faggoty new yourk liberal intelligentsia has the balls to come right out and SAY they want to do away with the Constitution while these warmongering neo con fucks wrap themselves in the American Flag before they do it.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 16:02 | 3119776 inca
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Americans Never Give Up Your Guns

By Stanislav Mishin

These days, there are few few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA, but at least so far, one thing remains: the right to bare arms and use deadly force to defend one’s self and possessions.

This will probably come as a total shock to most of my Western readers, but at one point, Russia was one of the most heavily armed societies on earth. This was, of course, when we were free under the Tsar. Weapons, from swords and spears to pistols, rifles and shotguns were everywhere, common items. People carried them concealed, they carried them holstered. Fighting knives were a prominent part of many traditional attires and those little tubes criss crossing on the costumes of Cossacks and various Caucasian peoples? Well those are bullet holders for rifles.

Various armies, such as the Poles, during the ????? (Times of Troubles), or Napoleon, or the Germans even as the Tsarist state collapsed under the weight of WW1 and Wall Street monies, found that holding Russian lands was much much harder than taking them and taking was no easy walk in the park but a blood bath all its own. In holding, one faced an extremely well armed and aggressive population Hell bent on exterminating or driving out the aggressor.

This well armed population was what allowed the various White factions to rise up, no matter how disorganized politically and militarily they were in 1918 and wage a savage civil war against the Reds. It should be noted that many of these armies were armed peasants, villagers, farmers and merchants, protecting their own. If it had not been for Washington’s clandestine support of and for the Reds, history would have gone quite differently.

Moscow fell, for example, not from a lack of weapons to defend it, but from the lieing guile of the Reds. Ten thousand Reds took Moscow and were opposed only by some few hundreds of officer cadets and their instructors. Even then the battle was fierce and losses high. However, in the city alone, at that time, lived over 30,000 military officers (both active and retired), all with their own issued weapons and ammunition, plus tens of thousands of other citizens who were armed.

The Soviets promised to leave them all alone if they did not intervene.
They did not and for that were asked afterwards to come register themselves and their weapons: where they were promptly shot.

Much more here

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:59 | 3115310 tiwimon
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Indeed it is. Just purchsed a new GP100 today as a matter of fact :-)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:03 | 3115337 Hippocratic Oaf
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19686TAC1 Corp GO

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:05 | 3115589 SILVERGEDDON

Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.

The Second Amendment is the great equalizer with respect to corrupt government versus the independent American citizen.

All of the conversation of the Founding Fathers of the Constitution made it clear that personal qonership of firearms was for one reason above all others.

To keep government from over reaching it's ability to do ANYTHING other than representing the WISHES OF THE PEOPLE AS THEIR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES. 

Bureaucracy always needs to be bitch slapped and pruned back from time to time to remind them as to who is in charge.

Or, shot, pissed on, rolled in flour, and deep fried, metaphorically, of course. 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:24 | 3115155 otto skorzeny
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Soviet State of IL is going for the mother of all gun grabs within the next few days in a lame duck session in state legislature

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:38 | 3115223 Lendo
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I've noticed.  The legilastion is so outragous it has no chance of passing.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:48 | 3115261 otto skorzeny
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that's what happens-the grabbers shoot for the moon and then the concessions are made and then you still get some type of gun control. that is like "The Big Lie' from Goebbels-make something big enough and people will start to buy into it

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:10 | 3115603 Buckaroo Banzai
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It's how Hitler got the Jews. Just continuously degrade their rights via hundreds of incremental restrictions until one day they are getting marched into a gas chamber or lined up in front of a ditch.

Evil is the same everywhere. Heres a fun fact: much of the language of the 1968 NFA was lifted wholesale from German gun control laws of the 1930s.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:03 | 3115332 Bad Attitude
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Nobody thought the Brady Bill would pass when it was first introduced. But, the gun-grabbers never relented with the propaganda, and it eventually passed. Nobody thought the first "assault weapon" ban bill would pass either, but it did. 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:44 | 3115506 chubbar
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Not that it matters but I've noticed the Media haven't come back and corrected the facts in the Newtown shooting. An assault rifle was never used in that shooting. There was one found in the back seat of a car in the parking lot and 4 handguns found in the school. Leave it to those cocksuckers to keep the bullshit flowing.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:30 | 3115697 Michaelwiseguy
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MSM TV news reporters are the #1 enemy of the American people now. They're all pissed off their psychological engineering scam is failing because very few people watch them these days.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:32 | 3115991 Freddie
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ALL of TV and ALL of Hollywood want to disarm you.  Pull the plug as they are all the same.  You pay for cable or sat TV - You Support It.  F them.

The Second Amendment does not say you have a God Given Right to watch shit like Honey Boo Boo. ;-)

Seriously - pull the plug and F Hollywood. All they understand is money and power. Your power is to cut off the money you give them especailly sat and cable TV.  F Them!

The SCUM in Hollywood got more tax breaks in the lastest Obama/Reid/Boner tax bill.  Evil scum. 



Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:40 | 3115755 Buckaroo Banzai
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1) According to the Coroner, the wounds were caused by rifle bullets. Assuming you believe the Coroner, of course, and that he/she wasn't compromised.

2) CT has an "Assault Weapons" ban. According to CT law, the Bushmaster allegedly used was not an "Assault Weapon". Funny how the media doesn't seem to notice or care.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:35 | 3116005 Freddie
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The Bushmaster was a Saiga rifle found in the trunk of his car.  This was a total false flag. 

One of the cars had bullet wounds in it.  More than one shooter.  Probably two pros who dumped Adam's body there. 

Of Adam's daddy worked for GE's LieBor division and mom actually worked for Morgan Stanley.  No one mentioned that about mom.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:49 | 3116066 chubbar
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If you compare this shooting with say Columbine, it's almost a total news blackout. What struck me the most was when the Chief of Police (I think) came out day one and threatened the media with jail if they misreported any "facts" about the case. WTF was that all about? 1st amendment anyone?

Now that I've dug a little deeper into the matter with what little reporting that has been done, it does look like the original story is completely bullshit.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:16 | 3116502 Freddie
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I meant to post that one of the cars had bullet holes in it - not wounds. I could not edit it.  Nothing about this story adds.  There are videos on youtube about how the colorado shooting does not add up either.   I.E. other shooters.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:51 | 3116076 DosZap
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I've noticed. The legilastion is so outragous it has no chance of passing.

Old tactic, SHOOT OVER THE Moon, and what you get is more than ever dreamt of.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:45 | 3115775 DosZap
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Soviet State of IL is going for the mother of all gun grabs within the next few days in a lame duck session in state legislature

Hmmmmm..........seems I read over 500 murders were committed there in 2012, and they have some of the toughest gun control laws in the US.

Hypocritical bastards.

Funny how the East and West coast (also D.C.) libtards have the highest murder rates, and the most gun control,yet it is never ENOUGH.And are the FIRST to scream for more controls!!!!.

Everyone that owns weapons in these areas should move out at once,so if they are not in the DEATH SPIRAL states(funny they are, as is Californication, and the Cesspool of NY,and Ill) they can help themselves buy putting them tere as punishment.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:39 | 3116017 Freddie
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Illinois has a lot of good gun companies who make "assault" rifles.  DSA, Armalite and Lewis Machine & Tool just to name a few.  They should tell IL that if they pass anything - the companies will leave the state.  Get their workers to all call.  Why they are in that sh*thole is beyond me.   I think Chicago/Il had a lot of old German tool and die guys.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:42 | 3116330 DosZap
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Illinois has a lot of good gun companies who make "assault" rifles. DSA, Armalite and Lewis Machine & Tool just to name a few. They should tell IL that if they pass anything - the companies will leave the state.


DO you think the Marxist Dickaters in Chi Town give a rats ass?.

NO, these folks are stupid to STAY there,they could come to Texas, etc, and state bring their employees and get Tax ememptions to do it.

Any Politco SOB, that allows 500+murders a year in ONE city, and wants gun control,while allowing no one but PoPo's and the criminals(bangers/dealers,) is about nothing except EVIL.

Since the 20'-30's, Chi Town has bee a HUB, of major crimianl activity, and it has moved into their governmet a LONG time ago.

That city is why we lost our right to own FA Machine guns.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:30 | 3116558 Nehweh Gahnin
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3 words:  Target.  Rich.  Environment.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:50 | 3115797 roadhazard
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I'm glad I live in the South. They will have a harder time passing gun grab legislation down here.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:26 | 3115163 Dangertime
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All your guns are belong to us!


We pwn you!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:28 | 3115165 Captain Benny
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Unfortunately ammo seems to be in short supply.  Man I wish I stocked 50k rounds of each caliber..... would love to be selling a portion to those new gun owners.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:32 | 3115190 Dr. Engali
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I just checked the sight where I buy most of my .223 ammo and it says;

           "Overwhelmed with orders will turn back on in one week"


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:34 | 3115203 Captain Benny
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Good luck finding M855 5.56 ammo :)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:40 | 3115228 TrumpXVI
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The foresighted learned how to manufacture it themselves years ago.

The foresighted stocked up on Hodgden 335 and SS109s, too.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:00 | 3115315 XitSam
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Lee loaders for .223 are sold out everywhere I look. Other calibers avail at Brownell's.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:02 | 3115327 tiwimon
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and brass and small rifle primers :-)

also - look for WC844, surplus powder - good stuff

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:45 | 3115245 zorba THE GREEK
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Zorba is responsible for 5 of those checks in December.

My gun dealer had ammo and was very busy last week. 


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:56 | 3115553 Chupacabra-322
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Try you'll find some 62gr there.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 19:22 | 3116761 DosZap
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Well Pro Gun REID is at it again, PLEASE use this NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

He is a SNAKE.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 19:37 | 3116798 nmewn
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I would like to announce, amidst all this angst and gnashing of teeth over civilian ownership of guns...I have sold my entire collection.

To some guy named Eric Mustafa Holder who said he was with .gov. Said he'd be re-selling them to some of his latin friends at a substantial profit.

You know me, patriotic to the was a win-win ;-)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:36 | 3115214 WoodMizer
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my father and I went to our local gun shop a couple of days ago and it looked like a supermarket before a blizzard.  It's one of the biggest sellers in my state and they were out of 9mm rounds.  they normally have several thousand rounds from every manufacturer out there.  I wanted non saboted 12ga slugs and there were only five boxed of federal slugs left.  My liberal father was dumb struck.  It did more to wake him up than i have achieved since 2008.  The handwriting is on the wall; the American people no longer trust the government with their personal safety.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:57 | 3115300 aerojet
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What you say is only true if these purchases are being made with certain ideas in mind.  I can pretty much guarantee that what you say is not the case, however.  First off, anyone panic-buying right now is an idiot--they're paying 1.5 to 2X retail for an AR that they don't know how to shoot, if those people are, in fact, the ones doing all the buying.  What I really think is going on is that existing gun owners and some of their none-too-bright hangers on friends are speculating wildly that a semi-auto ban will get passed and that the rifles, mags, and ammo they are already overpaying for while triple or quadruple in price from there.  That's awfully bubble-licious type behavior, if you ask me.  Where have we seen this behavior before?  Oh yeah, stocks, real estate, and metals.  These are the same people who were buying retail stocks and RE until 2008, the same folks who were doing day-trading in the 00s.  How did that work out for them?  What makes the gun-panic even more pathetic is that unless you're buying a large volume of guns or related supplies, a one-off windfall of a couple grand just isn't worth all the trouble and risk.  Besides that, it is lame.

You may be skeptical about whether I know what I'm talking about.  What can I say?  I've seen an uptick in activity at local shooting ranges, but what I don't see is a lot of new shooters in proportion to all the gun buying going on.  If new people were out shooting their purchases, it would definitely be noticeable.  So far, bupkus, and that includes 2008 until now.  If anything, the "old guard" of shooters is dying off and not being replaced.  So what that tells me is that either people are buying guns for purely speculative reasons (and not shooting them) or that the same handful of people as before are just buying additional guns.  It's probably some of both.  What there is not is some new, huge wave of American patriots looking to restore the Constitution or whatever other idiotic pipe dreams people out there believe in.  When it all goes bad, there will be damn few Americans actually fighting for anything that matters and there will be plenty of weaponry available for anyone who dares defy the machine, just like there was in Libya.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:16 | 3115405 j0nx
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A few things you wrote are right. The vast majority wrong.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:18 | 3115410 WoodMizer
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I generally agree with your arguement; many if not most of recent sales are to speculators.  As a frequent hunter I have noticed that the number and quality of prey has diminished in correlation with the number of shots i hear being fired.  I would estimate a 30% increase in hunting pressure this year over the last year, particularly on deer, dove and rabbitt.  For a major retailer to be low on 12ga slugs and 00buck at the end of the season, suggests that my expirence is not an isolated one.

I have also participated in 4 "training" hunts this deer season, as a favor to friends that are new to hunting.  I usually have one such request every season.  Only one student needed to borrow a gun; most had recently purchased new 12ga shotguns.  My personal belief is that the speculators are purchasing semi auto rifiles, beginners are buying shotguns, and hand gun sales are 60% 40% respectively.  I am far from certain, but I will ask some, gun store clerk friends of mine, what they are seeing. 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:23 | 3115416 dwdollar
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Bubble-licious??? Haha... how about the social-economic-military "super power" called the US? Now that's a fucking bubble...

Buying an AR15 you don't know yet to shoot is a whole lot safer than trusting a bunch of NYC bankers to keep their paper promises.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:20 | 3115423 Shell Game
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"If anything, the "old guard" of shooters is dying off and not being replaced."


hmmm, then my range must be a very strange anomoly indeed. Average age looks to be ~26, with a spread of what looks to be 19-65.  The youngsters have smiles on their faces and have a great time....and polite too.

Friend, guns will be here long after Leviathan collapses..

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:57 | 3115562 Vergeltung
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agreed. I also see alot of range hotties as well. lots more ladies shooting hese days!  :)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:29 | 3115987 Gamma735
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Well, My wife and I are new gun owners that bought guns prior to Newtown.  We bought weapons because the police or government can not protect, they can only clean up the mess.  Newtown proved it.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:02 | 3115326 DoChenRollingBearing
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Jim Quinn ("The Burning Platform") just wrote a new piece.  He noted that at Roger Waters (ex-Pink Floyd) concerts and performs "Mother", when he shouts out the line:

"Mother should I trust the government?"

And the entire stadium (teens to grandparents) shouts back: "NO!!!"

THAT is different than a few years ago.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:03 | 3115333 seek
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My local store looked like a supermarket after a blizzard, stipped clean and no resupply. The only thing they had left was their rental guns and airsoft replica displays on the walls. They simply removed rifle/shotgun/handgun options from their online store, which I had been checking daily for inventory levels.

They did have a fair bit of handgun ammo left, but all rifle ammo was gone.

I do have to give grudging credit to NICS, though, I went in during the peak of the panic to buy one more gun, and NICS cleared in under 15 minutes, even with all that demand.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:07 | 3115366 Freddie
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Tell pappy that the shit may start to get real soon and it sounds like he voted for it. 

When they are outr of 9 mm then you know things are getting serious.

+1 to you for trying to wake him up.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:15 | 3115634 TheOldMan
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Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:51 | 3115809 j0nx
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Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:36 | 3115215 otto skorzeny
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ordered alot of 7.62 last week and it will be a few weeks before it can even be shipped.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:01 | 3115267's picture

That's better than having it shipped to you at 2,000 fps.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:58 | 3116109 DosZap
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That's better than having it shipped to you at 2,000 fps.

If it's not moving at 2850(ball), or 2600( match), you got screwed.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:51 | 3116362's picture

Brevity is the soul of wit.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:58 | 3115311 chubbar
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A friend went down to Sig Sauer in So. NH this morning only to be told they have no inventory and they will be closing for the next 3 days awaiting new guns.

I bought another 100 rds of Federal 00 buckshot a few days ago to top off my "in close" inventory.

My state of New Hampshire has the right to bear arms enshrined in the state constitution. I think this gun ban deal is going to go on for a long time. The states will ulitmately either have to change the state constitution or nullify the federal law. Nullifying it is the easier step since any gun ban law will certainly test the 10th amendment and with good reason.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:40 | 3115751 Mad Mohel
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Oh Sig Schnauzer, I heard that is an excellent piece. I also heard the Bushwhacker 223 is in high demand.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:35 | 3115480 MachoMan
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I found 8 boxes at academy sports yesterday while killing time waiting on the wife...  practically giving it away at $6/box (7.62x39).  Definitely inflated, but in stock and ready to rock.

Retailers keep getting a box here and there trickle in...  make friends with your local guys at the counters of various retailers and you'll learn when the shipments come in...  although, most retailers carry shit (no xm855, etc.)...  at least you can get plenty of range ammo.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:48 | 3115521 chubbar
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I'd take range ammo over nothing to throw at them but rocks.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:11 | 3115609 wee-weed up
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Ammo is in short supply because Gov't agencies are buying up millions of rounds. And I'm not talking about military and law enforcement agencies.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:21 | 3115662 chubbar
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They are primarily buying up the 40 cal stuff, not the ar-15 ammo unless you have heard differently? What ammo other than 40 cal have you heard they are buying? Which agencies?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:44 | 3115770 chubbar
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Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:05 | 3115864 wee-weed up
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Pretty eye-opening, huh? Makes you wonder what our Gov't is planning to do to us.

Funny how this info was conveniently ignored in the lapdog MSM. Gotta keep the low-info voters dumb and stupid.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:44 | 3116046 Freddie
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Good luck to them when it is their .40 hollow points up against .308.   5 to 6 million licensed hunters in just 5 states - TX, NY (yeah that NY), PA, WI, MI.  I would be the majority of those hunters have at least one .308 rifle with a scope.  Note that this does not include more southern states like TN, SC, KY, NC, WV.

.308.   Reach out and touch someone.

Also there are at least 2 million CCW in FL, GA and AL.  FL has over 1 million.  You have to be pretty serious about the Second to get a CCW.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:39 | 3116582 Nehweh Gahnin
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Out in the west, where those long canyon shots are made, those .308 are a bit puny.  

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:01 | 3116894 DosZap
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They are primarily buying up the 40 cal stuff, not the ar-15 ammo unless you have heard differently? What ammo other than 40 cal have you heard they are buying? Which agencies?


5.56, 750 million rds,( DHS only) and EVERY DEPT in the Goobermint.


AND hot off the Presses.............the latest from the PRO GUN, Sumbag out of Las Vaeas AZ.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:28 | 3115166 dexter_morgan
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Now that they've saved us from the phony fiscal cliff, look for non-stop coverage of this and who knows, maybe another mass shooting or 2 just to drive the point home. Feinstein has been working on a bill with her staff for over a year now, almost to the point where it could actually get passed.............Wouldn't want to waste all that effort, now would we?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:37 | 3115219 Dr. Engali
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Count on it getting passed. We just witnessed the repukes roll over on the fiscal cliff. They will roll over on guns too.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:56 | 3115286 dexter_morgan
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Sad, but likely true. Maybe this will lead to some real movement on secession in states like Texas? One could always hope I guess............................

In a way, the repubs really didn't have much they could do politically on the cliff stuff IMO, but on guns they may have some conservative democrats on their side too.

I still chuckle about seeing all the signs in Wisconsin and Minnesota before the election:


Ha, I guess they really believed him when he said he thought the 2nd amendment meant something..........




Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:57 | 3115303's picture

Check out this DKos poll:


A total gun ban in the next 10 years?

YES! 3% 75 votes No. 89% 1862 votes

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:23 | 3115433 j0nx
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I know right away when I hear someone say high capacity 'clip' that they have no fucking clue what they are talking about when it comes to firearms. Just some liberal moonbat spewing vomit from their pizza hole.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:28 | 3115458 Dr. Engali
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Unfortunately there are a lot of policy making retards who listen to that particular pizza hole.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 19:19 | 3116752 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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That article paints a pretty clear picture of what we're up against. This will not end well.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:25 | 3117167's picture

But look at the poll. Even the DKos crowd is massively against a gun ban like Australia's. Any politicians who proposes such a thing, even as a starting point for less onerous legislation, are going to look like fools and tyrants to diehard Democrats, not to mention the rest of the country. That's encouraging.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:02 | 3115322 aerojet
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Almost no hunter I ever spoke to understood anything about the 2nd Amendment.  That is now changing, but there exists a large number of gun owners who are in denial about what a semi-auto ban portends for their firearms of choice.  All they need to do is look at Australia for how badly it all played out for gun owners there. The prohibitionists are never satisfied, they always push for more. 

One thing I will say--thus far, Obama has been a pretty good friend to gun owners considering what Bush Sr. and Clinton did.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:03 | 3115329 Dr. Engali
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"Ha, I guess they really believed him when he said he thought the 2nd amendment meant something......"


It's like every organization is full of retards. If you even did a little bit of homework you knew this fucker was a lying ass....yet people seem to think it's just the opposite.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:09 | 3115369 Chump
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No no no!  This will be when the Republicans stand for something.  They'll really draw the line on guns.  NO WAY will they talk a big game, snivel and cry, and then roll over on a compromise for the "good" of the country.  Republicans aren't like those shady Democrats, what with no morals and ever-shifting positions and the like.  They will fight for what's right!

(sarc tag needed?  Really??)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:30 | 3115465 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1

(but always better to put the "/sarc" tag for us slow learners...  :)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:23 | 3115669 Chump
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You're anything but a slow learner!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:00 | 3115316 Bad Attitude
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Dear Leader's spike-the-ball speech last night after the fiscal-cliff bill passed included a promise to work on gun control in 2013. This gun control push isn't going to go away any time soon.

As everyone continues to stock up on guns and ammo, don't forget to stock up on shelf-stable food and water, too. Another lesson that should be taken away from the history of central planning and government interference in economies is that there are food shortages, too.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:27 | 3115169 azzhatter
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Gonna be interesting when the confiscation starts

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:30 | 3115184 otto skorzeny
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if dems in  house and senate get their way it will be soon in IL-NO GRANDFATHERING. and it's no suprise it starts in the state that will be the first to go belly up financially

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:03 | 3115334 aerojet
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There's just that miniscule wrinkle about ex post facto law and all the case law around it. 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:39 | 3115490 MachoMan
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And Heller and its progeny...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:47 | 3116055 Freddie
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Laws - they don't need no stinkin laws.  ;-)

Obama can just sign exec orders on Air Farce One.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:22 | 3115431 FrogEFresh
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Because they are going belly up financially is why they need confiscation.  Unarmed starving people are easier to manage.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:31 | 3115196 dexter_morgan
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Nah. When they pass the laws and start out with voluntary turn-ins followed by prison time for those who don't most will just bend over and take it. They are banking on that at least. They figure why would someone put his whole family and very life itself in jeopardy just to keep his guns. Let's face it, many would think that way. And the ones who don't.....welll we do have drones active within our borders now, don't we?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:38 | 3115222 otto skorzeny
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these are the times that try men's souls.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:47 | 3115257 SilverDOG
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But, these are times that most men, may try to FIND their souls.

Let us all, envision success, we'll need such.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:38 | 3115487 espirit
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Lost all mine in a landslide, and my phyzz in a boating accident.

I'd guess that they'll torture me, but conditioning can be a bitch(ez).

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:51 | 3115275's picture


These are the times that try men's souls.


If at first you don't secede, try, try again.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:34 | 3115475 Shell Game
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these are the times to try burying a gun.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:57 | 3115297 seek
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Actually this is far from the case. When CA issued their AW ban, compliance was about 30% or so.The CA ban resembles Comrde Feinstein's wishlist (required fingerprinting, registration, etc.)

I suspect that they're banking on a similar reaction -- namely that the gun disappear from use. Remember, all they care about is appearances and not effectiveness. (Considering long guns of all types are ~4% of the firearm murder stats, this point is painfully clear.)

My new theory is that they may be trying to use firearm violations as a replacement for drug violations to keep the prison system full, since it's pretty clear they'll be losing marijuana offending cell occupants like crazy over the next few years. We can only hope the reset hits before any real traction happens here.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:12 | 3115386 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, on both of your interesting points.  They will NOT round up many guns (semi-autos, for the moment) if they go for a confiscation, but who would risk taking their ARs or AKs to the range if they are banned (as opposed to a new sales ban).  They will NEVER get the deer rifles, etc.

Your idea re filling the prisons with gun law violators is new to me, but seems very plausible.  I agree that marijuana law violations leading to jail time will be ending soon.  They have to fill those cells though...  What better scapegoats than "dangerous gun owners"...?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:03 | 3115581 gnomon
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Deer rifles and high powered scopes capable of consistently making over 300 yard shots will be on the list eventually. Prior to that they will want to ban what could be construed to be "sniper training". If they push more people into long range shooting, they may regret it. The Statists know no bounds. And if you buckle to any registration, confiscation edicts, expect your testosterone level to drop to zero with permanent adverse consequences to your love life. Just have somebody tattoo "RAPED BY THE STATE" on your forehead.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:13 | 3115390 otto skorzeny
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these for-profit prisons are really troubling-they pay(campaign contributions) the judges to keep them supplied with a steady cash-stream of inmates. it is one of the most troubling aspects of recent years(and that's saying alot)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:14 | 3115397 XitSam
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Lying to a federal officer is a crime. That's what got Martha Stewart.  Saying nothing is not a crime.  Don't Talk to Cops, Part 1 - YouTube  Don't Talk to Cops, Part 2 - YouTube

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:25 | 3115446 are we there yet
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I am glad I live in Texas.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:44 | 3115764 TrumpXVI
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If one does not comply with a confiscation scheme, then one is under no legal obligation to admit to owning any illegal firearms.  That's already been upheld as a violation of one's 5th Amendment protections.  In other words, it has already been upheld by the courts, that criminals do not have to admit to owning weapons they are not allowed to possess; that's self incrimination.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:11 | 3115910 Jonas Parker
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Passing the law is easy... enforcement - not so much...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:30 | 3115176 Temporalist
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 Illinois court strikes down state's unconstitutional ban on concealed carry

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:31 | 3115189 otto skorzeny
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when it's all over the only thing you'll be allowed to keep and conceal will be a flintlock pistol

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:33 | 3115470 pods
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Yeah, the court gave the state time to craft a new law that would be reasonable.

What part of shall not be infringed do they not understand?

I don't care if it is reasonable or not.

If you have to ask the government for permission, you are not exercising a right.



Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:46 | 3115513 The Butchers Dog
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Terriffic Point:  Our rights did not come from the State, so no permission should be required. Hovever, notice how the 2nd Ammendment gets painted into a corner with registrations, background checks, CCPermitting, etc.   Good Quote:

“Unjust laws exist: shall we be content to obey them, or shall we endeavor to amend them and obey them until we have succeeded, or shall we transgress them at once?” –  Henry David Thoreau
Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:40 | 3115488 Conax
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I've been practicing speedloading of my Uberti 1858. (Remington cap and ball piece)

So far it's not going very well. It is a straight shooter, but after 6 shots you're all done.

Let's hope it doesn't come to this.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:29 | 3115180 Dr. Engali
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Prepper economy is all that's left.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:29 | 3115181 magpie
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Buy a gun...only for the government mandated buyback.

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