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A Fiscal Cliff "deal" that reduces GDP and squeezes the consumers; a Fed whose policies have forced massive capital misallocation away from growth investment and are leading to an unprecedented corporate "revenue cliff"; and now, in the aftermath of the government response to the Newtown massacre which threatened to curb the second amendment, we get this via Reuters:

  • BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR US GUN SALES REACHED RECORD IN DECEMBER AT 2.8 MLN CHECKS - FBI

Because when everything is an unintended consequence, nobody has to take any responsibility for anything. And so the New Normal marches on.

More from Reuters:

The number of FBI background checks for U.S. gun purchases set a record in December, as the Connecticut school massacre prompted renewed talk of limits on firearms, according to new FBI data.

 

The FBI said it recorded 2.8 million background checks during the month, surpassing the record set in November of 2 million checks. The number was up 49 percent over December 2011, when the FBI performed a then-record 1.9 million checks

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Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:23 | 3115152 InvalidID
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 Bullish RGR!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:25 | 3115153 The Juggernaut
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"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action."  - George Washington

Lock and load, Republic!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:45 | 3115241 greased up deaf guy
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i'm happy to report i contributed toward that number :).

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:57 | 3115305 Cognitive Dissonance
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They know who you are and where you live. Not for a moment do I belive that the various states and/or FBI destroy these records once you have been "cleared".

NEVER!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:08 | 3115362 InvalidID
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 Of course they don't. The idea that they can spy on you without a warrant, can snatch you up off the street and disappear you, but they'd destroy the list of people buying guns?....

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:11 | 3115380 Cognitive Dissonance
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But....but.....but they said they do.

/sarc

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:48 | 3115508 cranky-old-geezer
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Background check eliminated 2A. 

Having to do a background check is asking permission from govt to own a gun.  When you have to ask permission, it's no longer a right.

This is how they wipe out rights.  Making hoops you have to jump thru to exercise them, prohibiting certain people from exercising the right altogether, etc.

The list of "reasons" somebody can't own a gun is growing rapidly.  But there's no such provision in 2A.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:10 | 3115604 Michaelwiseguy
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I feel sorry for the government employees who go around taking guns from law abiding citizens. There will be a lot of dead government employees all over the place.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:33 | 3115712 chumbawamba
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Who says you gotta buy from a retail shop?

United States Constitution, Article I, section 10, clause 1:

"No State shall ... pass any ... Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts."

An agreement to buy a gun from someone who wants to sell it to you...isn't that a contract?

Oops!  I just abrogated all gun registration requirements.

You are welcome.

I am Chumbawamba (and they know where to find me, but I think they probably just want to leave me alone).

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:35 | 3115722 Cognitive Dissonance
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In your case I suspect your bite is even worse than your bark. :)

Nice to see you haunting the threads Chumba.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:34 | 3115992 Cognitive Dissonance
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Who would have thought little ole Kentucky was leading the pack? 2.6 million background checks in 2012 for a population of only 4.3 million. And over 10 million in just the last 5 years. Either the same few guys and gals are buying a lot of guns or that is one well armed population.

<Granny, get your guns.>

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:40 | 3116019 chumbawamba
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I met a dude one time in the gun store who was from Kentucky, said he had around 130 firearms of various types and thousands of rounds of ammo for each.  Said he used to go to the pawn shops and wheel and deal.  It's an entirely alien concept to us stupid fucks here in Communifornia.

Good to see you around, Brother.  It's been a long time.

I got some good stuff in the works.  Some real good stuff.  Look for me on the top of the ZH page very soon.  Been delayed while I got my ducks in a row, but now that they're there it's time to start picking them off.

-Chumblez.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:19 | 3116980 TwoShortPlanks
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When the Bond market breaks, the dollar dies, and lights go out in America, it should look something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjnyDaMR9ZY...but with more people, and lots more guns.

Click!

In contrast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au9Aqd_-2hc

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:20 | 3117336 RockyRacoon
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Looking forward to your contribution!  Glad to see you.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:20 | 3116145 cranky-old-geezer
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More fake macho bullshit. 

(a) they won't go round trying to take guns, and (b) if they did they'd bring a swat team with 'em, you'd be dead without getting off a shot.

You lazy ass gun owners sit around with your smug "come get 'em" attitude while the nazi president and bankers destroy the country. 

You wait for some nationwide confrontation over guns to start your so-called "revolution" you keep saying is gonna happen. 

But that confrontation will never happen, hence no so-called "revolution".

Are you that narrow-minded?  Coming after guns is the only thing that would get you off your lazy asses?   All the other damage they're doing, rights destroyed, habeus corpus destroyed, due process destroyed, constitution tossed in the trash long ago, letting banks loot the damn nation dry, gunning kids down in schools to push their agenda, none of those treasonous acts will get you off your lazy asses?

Fact is NOTHING will get you off your lazy asses.  There will be NO so-called "revolution" at ANY TIME in the future.  Those 400 million guns you brag about are WORTHLESS and you're DISGUSTING BULLSHIT yourselves.

You'll be in history books alright.  More guns than any nation in history and TOO FUCKING LAZY TO USE 'EM.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:32 | 3116277 chumbawamba
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Well, now we can say we know of at least one asshole who will definitely be sitting in the FEMA camps, feeling sorry for himself.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:10 | 3117114 zerotohero
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you are Chum

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:45 | 3116339 gnomon
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You are getting too "cranky" for your own good.  You don't know how this will play out, none of us do.  But I can assure you that if they ever drop the ball on keeping this Ponzi going, they will be coming for our guns and whatever else we have because the supply lines will be down, and there will be rioting in the streets.

And it is not "macho" to go off half-cocked to no good purpose. 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:23 | 3116534 jonan
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i'm the furthest thing from macho, in fact, more of a metro-sexual mama's boy than a testosterone filled jock...woke up from the dream in 08, started stackin and packin...

hard to say what i'd do if the tyrants pull back the magic curtain, maybe i'd fight, maybe i wouldn't...i spend my working hours in the dream we call the matrix and my free time stackin and packin...perhaps my preps provide me with the same illusion of security that entitlements provide for the sheep...

all i know is, there is a storm brewing and i'm not going to get caught in it without an "umbrella" 

divide and conquer, out of chaos order, nice to know there are people living outside the matrix using the same tactics of TPTB and those stupid fucks who run DC...

at least we are all aware enough to know that we are all on the fucken titanic most people call 'merica...no use in tearing each other down when the odds are heavily stacked in the house's favor...

fuck it, the house is sinking anyway...

molon labe??? bitchez? :-s

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:53 | 3117067 10mm
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Hey Cranky,relax,it's going to be gurilla,underground.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:37 | 3115731 pods
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Great post. I said the same below pertaining to permission and rights.
I will probably get knocked around for this, but I think that even felons should be able to keep and bear arms.
They have the same right to self defense as I do.  

Taking away that right is a form of thought crime, or precrime.  

It chaps my ass to hear the words "Law abiding" and "law abiding citizen" tossed around so much in the gun debate.  Law abiding?  WTF kind of Orwellian term is that?

90% of the laws in this land are BS and unconstitutional.  

Which laws do I have to "abide" by to remain law abiding?

What if I like oral sex?  In many areas that is against the law.  What if I serve a steak that is rare?  Sell raw milk? Speed? Buy, sell or consume a 32 oz Big Gulp?

Fuck them and their language.  

pods

 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:42 | 3115761 Cognitive Dissonance
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"It chaps my ass to hear the words "Law abiding" and "law abiding citizen" tossed around so much in the gun debate. Law abiding? WTF kind of Orwellian term is that?"

There are no more law abiding citizens. Just law abiding consumers. Didn't you get the Wal-Mart memo?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:26 | 3115974 A Lunatic
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You're damned rights felons should be able to retain their Constitutional rights once they have paid their debt to society. They did their time and were punished for the crime. To punish them further (for the rest of their lives) is bullshit. I'm not a felon yet, but I imagine anyone worth a shit will be soon............

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:37 | 3116014 LasVegasDave
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Total bullshit.

A key cause of societies breakdown is the lack of meaningful punishment.

Live your libertarian life, buy all the guns, ammo and gold you want, hire and fire whomever you want, go back to a state of limited govt. all fine.

But bring back chain gangs, forced labor and executions for rape, armed robbery and white collar crimes.

Without a meaningful deterrent criminals have nothing to fear and act accordingly.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:16 | 3116202 pods
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Perfect solution Dave, the answer to problems is to give the state more power.

pods

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:58 | 3116407 LasVegasDave
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who is talking about govt. power?

you want to enter this community, we all voted on a code of condcut.  You break it, we the citizens will do with you what we see fit.

You dont like that trade, dont ask to enter.  Visit Detroit, New Orleans or Bloombergistan instead by your dirty old self.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:52 | 3116371 A Lunatic
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 If a man has served his prison sentence and is released, what more punishment shall he endure? The prison sentence is the deterrent. Getting out of prison and getting on with a new life is the reward for serving the sentence. We either have Constitutional rights or we do not...........

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:26 | 3115444 MachoMan
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Kind of...  The thing is, there are an incredible amount of sales performed without the gun seller conducting a background check.  If you have a state issued id for carrying a concealed handgun, you might not even have to get a background check...  at that point, the only record of your sale is the form you fill out with the seller ( http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf see question 21+) and these stay in house and are private information, but for specific circumstances (criminal investigation, etc.).  (article discussing some of the issues http://offgridsurvival.com/atfillegallyaskingforgunstorecustomerrecords/ ) [if you pay with a credit card, all they have is the information of the payment, someone else can go in and fill out the form and have the gun transferred to them]

If there are 2.8m checks, and there is only 1 check for guns bought in batches and certain persons have the privilege of being exempt from the checks when purchasing any firearm, then there's no telling how many guns got added to the ranks in December...  unbelievable.  I wouldn't doubt it if it was 6m+

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:49 | 3115492 Cognitive Dissonance
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If you have a concealed carry permit then they really do know who you are and where you live. :)

I agree there is no way of really knowing how many guns were sold based upon the number of background checks. But that wasn't my point, just that many (not all) states (and the FBI) claim that they do not keep that info beyond a certain (variable by state) short period of time.

BULLSHIT!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:41 | 3115497 chubbar
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If everyone owns a gun then it doesn't matter what records they keep. They might as well just collect the phone books of every city.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:45 | 3115510 Cognitive Dissonance
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I'm unlisted so they won't be able to find me.

/snark

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:20 | 3115601 Ghordius
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+1

WTF? background checks? I don't even understand the logic. how do you run a background check to see if you will run amok in the future?

the whole biz of background checks has usually a completely different angle from provention from amok runs, it's about identification of weapons used fror crimes, for post-fact investigation

this gun debate in the US is getting more and more insane, imo, I can't get off the feeling that weapon ban scares $ell, and so makes producers happy

seriously, is it not possible to find some compromise - based on areas and referenda, perhaps?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:13 | 3115620 InvalidID
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 But everyone doesn't own a gun. A good sized portion of the population thinks you shouldn't be able to own one either, because they are scarey.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:39 | 3116018 A Lunatic
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A good sized portion of the population also lives in major Metropolitan areas. Hey, I'm all for Bloomberg clamping down on NYC and doing whatever the fuck he wants to his sheeple. I draw the line at Bloomberg and assholes like him dictating those same policies to the rural community. We aren't even in the same book let alone on the same page with those clowns. I don't want to live like NY and Chicago and I don't expect those people to want to live like me. It seems we all want the same thing......to be left alone to live and prosper as we see fit.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:43 | 3116035 LasVegasDave
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In las vegas there is a 24/7/365 gun show on backpage.com

no background checks, no taxes to be paid. hundreds of listings a day

Viva Las Vegas

http://lasvegas.backpage.com/buyselltrade/?keyword=gun

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:25 | 3115447 DoChenRollingBearing
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CORRECT, CD

Information is cheap to store, and .gov so much more aggresive, that we ALL know that is just another lie...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:41 | 3115494 Anonymous peon
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Even if they do, dealers are required to keep records of all sales for 20 years. The information is all there, just a matter of collecting it.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:55 | 3115507 Cognitive Dissonance
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I agree. It is all out there waiting to be gathered up once the police state goes publicly active.

<In the interest of public safety of course.>

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:28 | 3115699 MachoMan
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This is true and this is what they're already attempting to do (from the link I provided).  It's just like the NSA facility in Utah...  the information can be sorted after the fact...  collecting it is the important thing.  Once collected, it is likely gone forever and virtually certainly in the hands of the government...  while it might not be able to be used to prohibit future crimes (yet), it can certainly be used to pacify political opponents, confiscate contraband, and torque the screws a few extra twists on the feudalist technocracy.

Of course, there are typically NO transfer forms with a person to person (private) sale...  the original registration is available, but subsequent sales have no paper trails...  "who was the man that purchased the gun from you 10 years ago?"  "Fuck if I know... I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday."

This is how the authorities track down shooting suspects once they pull the ballistics off bullets...  every firearm manufactured for the last 30+ years has had its ballistics sent to the feds (you get the spent casing from the test in your gun box)...  they then access their database and go down the list, beginning with the last known owner...  If you don't have an alibi, then you might be in trouble.  The good news is that bullets are often times deformed enough to make this process practically impossible...  presuming they can even be found/extracted.  I have incredible reservations about the accuracy of this process, but it's still done...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:46 | 3115749 Cognitive Dissonance
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"I have incredible reservations about the accuracy of this process, but it's still done..."

"We don't have to prove anything. We just tell you we did." - Coming soon from your local black shirt federal/state official.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:27 | 3115980 InvalidID
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 Coming soon? Already here!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:57 | 3116401 August
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"...the authorities track down shooting suspects once they pull the ballistics off bullets... "

So, use a firearm with "polygonal rifling" (e.g. a Glock);  they are difficult/impossible to match ballistically, at least with the degree of certainty that could stand up to a competent defense attorney. Of course, actual criminal trials are becoming a bit passe.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:55 | 3115551 Navymugsy
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I'm sure they destroy those background checks and I also believe that NSA destroys the intercepts of American data/phone calls/e-mails when they inadvertently come across them lying on the road.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:33 | 3116286 Blotsky
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Same here. Kahr CW9 with a Concealed Pistol Licesence.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 19:32 | 3116786 Room 101
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Speaking of locking and loading....ALERT from Virginia Citizens Defense League from a few minutes ago

VA-ALERT: URGENT! Congressional Republicans to double-cross gun owners?

Many of you may remember Richmond talk show host, Doc Thompson.  He currently has a radio show in Michigan.  Much like me, he gets some "inside" information from time-to-time.

He has received a communication between a friend and someone in the Republican Party leadership.  That communication is troubling as it says the congressional Republicans are seriously considering selling out gun owners to "seem reasonable."

They are considering a magazine ban, changes to background checks, and more.

Here is a link to the email with redactions to protect the sources:

http://tinyurl.com/a4xf33x

URGENT ACTION ITEM

We need to contact ALL of our members of Congress and let them know that NO MORE GUN CONTROL OF ANY SORT WILL BE ACCEPTABLE and that we WILL be watching how they vote on our rights !

This is URGENT and we need every one of you to do your part NOW.  Feinstein is trying to rush through her gun control  bill and time is CRITICAL.  To be as effective as possible, let's both call and send them webmail.

As always, be polite, but firm.

Forward this email to friends, family, and put it on other gun lists that have Virginia members!

If you don't know who your Congressman is, click here and enter your 9-digit zip code in the upper righthand corner (such as 22122-2107).  If you only know your 5-digit zip code, enter that and you will be prompted to enter your home address, later:

http://www.house.gov/

District  Congressman                  Phone                          Webmail:

1            Wittman, Robert J.         202-225-4261            https://forms.house.gov/wittman/webforms/webforms/issue_subscribe.htm

2            Rigell, Scott                    202-225-4215             http://rigell.house.gov/Contact/

3            Scott, Robert C.              202-225-8351            https://forms.house.gov/bobbyscott/webforms/issue_subscribe.htm

4            Forbes, J. Randy            202-225-6365            http://forbes.house.gov/contact/zipauth.htm

5             Hurt, Robert                   202-225-4711             https://hurt.house.gov/index.cfm/email-me

6             Goodlatte, Bob              202-225-5431             http://goodlatte.house.gov/contacts/new

7             Cantor, Eric                    202-225-2815             http://cantor.house.gov/contact

8             Moran, James                202-225-4376             https://moran.house.gov/contact-me/email-me

9             Griffith, Morgan              202-225-3861             https://morgangriffith.house.gov/contact/contactform.htm

10           Wolf, Frank                     202-225-5136             https://wolfforms.house.gov/contact-form

11           Connolly, Gerald E.      202-225-1492             https://connollyforms.house.gov/contact-gerry1

Webmail:

Suggested subject:  Second Amendment  (or if no such choice, "other")

Suggested message:

As a constituent I expect you to protect my right to keep and bear arms.  Reject ALL gun control, including, but not limited to:

* Gun bans of any sort
* Bans on magazines or other gun accessories
* Taxes on ammunition
* Background checks on private sales of firearms
* Restrictions on purchase, transfer, carry, discharge, or storage of firearms
* Restrictions, burdens, or additional requirements on firearms dealers, gun shows, hunt clubs or firing ranges
* Creation of any more "gun-free zones"  (we need to eliminate all such existing zones)

I will be watching your votes on gun control carefully and you will lose my support if you support any more gun control.

////////////////////////////

 


 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:02 | 3117096 praxis
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Of course these neo con snakes will sell us out.  I've noticed my so called Republican "friends" on facebook have all turned tail and cozied up to the outraged hystrionic liberals demanding "something be done."  They fancy themselves "statesment" and "great compromisers" and they're going to throw assault rifles and high cap mag's under the bus.  They dont give a fuck about the constitution are you friggin kidding me, these douchbag's are as bad as the libs when it comes to wrecking and destroying the constitution. 

At least the faggoty new yourk liberal intelligentsia has the balls to come right out and SAY they want to do away with the Constitution while these warmongering neo con fucks wrap themselves in the American Flag before they do it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/opinion/lets-give-up-on-the-constitution.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 16:02 | 3119776 inca
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Americans Never Give Up Your Guns

By Stanislav Mishin

These days, there are few few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA, but at least so far, one thing remains: the right to bare arms and use deadly force to defend one’s self and possessions.

This will probably come as a total shock to most of my Western readers, but at one point, Russia was one of the most heavily armed societies on earth. This was, of course, when we were free under the Tsar. Weapons, from swords and spears to pistols, rifles and shotguns were everywhere, common items. People carried them concealed, they carried them holstered. Fighting knives were a prominent part of many traditional attires and those little tubes criss crossing on the costumes of Cossacks and various Caucasian peoples? Well those are bullet holders for rifles.

Various armies, such as the Poles, during the ????? (Times of Troubles), or Napoleon, or the Germans even as the Tsarist state collapsed under the weight of WW1 and Wall Street monies, found that holding Russian lands was much much harder than taking them and taking was no easy walk in the park but a blood bath all its own. In holding, one faced an extremely well armed and aggressive population Hell bent on exterminating or driving out the aggressor.

This well armed population was what allowed the various White factions to rise up, no matter how disorganized politically and militarily they were in 1918 and wage a savage civil war against the Reds. It should be noted that many of these armies were armed peasants, villagers, farmers and merchants, protecting their own. If it had not been for Washington’s clandestine support of and for the Reds, history would have gone quite differently.

Moscow fell, for example, not from a lack of weapons to defend it, but from the lieing guile of the Reds. Ten thousand Reds took Moscow and were opposed only by some few hundreds of officer cadets and their instructors. Even then the battle was fierce and losses high. However, in the city alone, at that time, lived over 30,000 military officers (both active and retired), all with their own issued weapons and ammunition, plus tens of thousands of other citizens who were armed.

The Soviets promised to leave them all alone if they did not intervene.
They did not and for that were asked afterwards to come register themselves and their weapons: where they were promptly shot.

Much more here http://www.degaray.com/?p=2771

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:59 | 3115310 tiwimon
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Indeed it is. Just purchsed a new GP100 today as a matter of fact :-)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:03 | 3115337 Hippocratic Oaf
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