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A Fiscal Cliff "deal" that reduces GDP and squeezes the consumers; a Fed whose policies have forced massive capital misallocation away from growth investment and are leading to an unprecedented corporate "revenue cliff"; and now, in the aftermath of the government response to the Newtown massacre which threatened to curb the second amendment, we get this via Reuters:


Because when everything is an unintended consequence, nobody has to take any responsibility for anything. And so the New Normal marches on.

More from Reuters:

The number of FBI background checks for U.S. gun purchases set a record in December, as the Connecticut school massacre prompted renewed talk of limits on firearms, according to new FBI data.


The FBI said it recorded 2.8 million background checks during the month, surpassing the record set in November of 2 million checks. The number was up 49 percent over December 2011, when the FBI performed a then-record 1.9 million checks


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Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:31 | 3115392 DoChenRollingBearing
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For 10 - 20 cents on the dollar?  Naah, I'll just keep any gun I own.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:35 | 3115200 conspicio
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Meanwhile, the gungrabbers have posited a new source of revenue in all of these registrations...the registrants themselves. Part of the Colorado apparat has deemed gun registration as a new source of revenue to fund the mental health industry. See, it is too cheap to comply with the laws, so the fees must go up ad infinitum.

This may be drawn out nationally in short order as the crisis is passing fast...unless there just happens to be another soon. You know, just coincidentally and in the same way Lou Gherig managed to get Lou Gherig's disease...I mean, what are the odds?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:21 | 3115429 Bad Attitude
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There WILL be more mass shooting incidents. (I'll leave it to the reader to decide if these are staged by TPTB, or are the product of unstable people pushed over the edge by Dear Leader's mismanagement of the economy.) There will be non-mass-shootings that will be exploited to further the gun control agenda.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:33 | 3116000 tsx500
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unfortunately, i think you're absolutely right..... and probably sooner rather than later.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:35 | 3115209 JR
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“…if you can’t provide the most basic assistance for your district, who needs you in Congress?”

Would Congressman Peter King be referring to districts such as California’s San Bernardino where the typical transition to a welfare-police state society is occurring?

San Bernardino, near Los Angeles, is the country seat of San Bernardino County, “the largest county geographically in the continental U.S.”  A few months back it became the largest U.S. city ever to file for bankruptcy. So far this year, there have been 46 homicides, a 50 percent increase in murders over the past year.

City Attorney for 25 years, Jim Penman in a recent interview spoke about the total collapse of a once-thriving city, and now has “come under fire for advising residents to lock their doors and load their guns.”

Because of the 1965 US Immigration Act and a Federal judge's overturning of California's Prop 187, demographics now play a major part in San Bernardino’s collapse: In 1970, 66 percent of the city was White, but by 2010, that figure sat at 19%. “In 1976,” explained Penman, “San Bernardino was named an All-American City.” Besides the White population, the city’s current makeup is 60% Hispanic, 15% Black, 3% Asian, and a smattering of other races.

 Says Penman: “because of our financial situation, we’ve had to reduce the size of our police department…down about 80 officers” from a peak of about 350.

 “We’ve had a lot of middle-class flight from the city. The demographics have changed considerably in San Bernardino. I hope it’s not a portent of things to come for other cities around the nation, I know that we’re not the only one that’s had to contemplate bankruptcy. We’re one of the few that have had to go into it, I hope we’re not followed by others, but we keep hearing that many other cities are looking into that possibility.”

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:16 | 3115401 DoChenRollingBearing
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California is essentially lost.  The productive should leave the state, unless they do not mind the high taxes and the high crime rates.

There is still room in rural California (the north) to Bug-Out to though...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:49 | 3115522 RobD
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"There is still room in rural California (the north) to Bug-Out to though..."

Very true DoChen, my bug-out location is in North-eastern Cali and everyone I know there is preparing. Local deputy sheriff is a friend of the family and does not even keep up on the ever changing firearms laws. I asked him about the new open carry laws and he knew nothing about them and he said "anyway those are just for the cities" lol.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:14 | 3115925 Jonas Parker
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As long as they don't bug out to Texas...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:29 | 3117359 player333
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Yes and our recent election started the Californication of the US-bet on it-and prepare accordingly. Semper Fi

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:17 | 3115407 are we there yet
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More takers than makers in our economy. The welfare, prison probation, illegal immigrant, entitlement class, etc. will be ungovernable should civil unrest interrupt their taking lifestyle.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:37 | 3115212 Money 4 Nothing
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Because everyone knows now the gooberment is comming after their life and Freedoms. That's the only reason why you dis arm your citizens. 4 global dictator / tyrants in a row can't be wrong, Obama makes 5 akin to Stalin. 2A wasn't penned for hunters.


Molan Labe.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:39 | 3115217 yogibear
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Next step is to abolish the 2nd amendment. They are already discrediting the tea party and move on to disarming any resistance to a dictator or tyrant.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:07 | 3115357 aerojet
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Never going to happen.  It's stupid to even be discussing the matter.  Can't you see what is really going on?  The left is dying, not gaining strength.  They only appear strong because the free-shitters get paid to belong.  The moment the money stops, the left is dead.  And not just in the US, but worldwide.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:12 | 3115384 Freddie
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I hope you are correct my man.  These people are so ***ing evil.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:17 | 3115408 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ aerojet and Freddie

I hope both of you guys are right.  

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:35 | 3115478 Shell Game
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+1 Ditto

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:26 | 3115453 seek
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I won't be surprise if it's attempted (certainly, they're trying legislatively!) Though it will go down in flames, as even the diehard lefties get squeamish about tampering with the actual bill of rights (though they and the "right" side of the One Party are comfortable ignoring the BoR, deleting one or more amendments calls too much attention to them.)

I would argue that it's incorrect to say the left is dying, rather, large government is dying. They know it, but the general population doesn't. Since taxes cap out at 100% due to reality and death by starvation, and the government has promised more than this, the lies will be exposed. Presumably the government intends to remain in power by force, which is a heck of a lot easier when the population isn't shooting back.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:41 | 3115499 Oldwood
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The only thing on the left that is dying are their mindless supporters. Unfortunately, their program makes new ones as fast as the kill off the earlier ones. Just as with our government system, the thing that ensures their success is their failure. Leftists have been using the poor and discriminated as a weapon to destroy our society. Motivate them to demand more and more until the system collapses. This has been their stated policy for a hundred years, but yet when is spoken of, people claim it is preposterous, that no sane person or group would do such a thing, yet we supposedly battle radical Muslims because they "hate us for our freedoms". And they will use whatever they have at hand to enforce their agenda. They have been intregal with the entertainment industry that has drowned us with the most insane violence imaginable, yet are the most vocal about taking our guns away from us. They have glorified every type of lethal device and action known to man and then demonize those of us who own guns expressly for our own protection. Not hunting but protection. Protection from the insanity of the images we see on TV and the actions of power hungry "protectionists" determined to protect us from ourselves. But you are right. It will never happen. And by all means we should end the discussion now!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:29 | 3115982 fightthepower
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I junked you because you are underestimating a very dangerous enemy.  We all might end up in FEMA camps before the left dies.  They are a cornered animal and are therefore more dangerous than ever. 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:58 | 3116102 dexter_morgan
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Oh, how I hope and wish you are corrrect.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:46 | 3115511 ItsEvolutionBaby
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I hope the left is really dying,

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:09 | 3115598 rwe2late
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They do not need to "abolish" the 2nd Amendment any more than they needed to "abolish" the protections of habeas corpus or against cruel and unusual punishments...

"updating" the interpretation of the law will suffice for them.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:37 | 3115221 Tsar Pointless
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PA Governor Tom Corbett sues NCAA over Penn State sanctions.

No health care exchange. No real dialogue over making our society a better place to live by making it a safer place to life. But we will pay to defend a child molestor and those who aided and abetted him.

Republican Amerikkka: Values and morals subject to change.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:45 | 3115509 Freddie
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The Repubs rolled ovber the but the Dems are even more evil scum with their mullah.  As far as Penn State, they suck but college sports is big business.  Scummy Penn State brings in a lot of bacon.  I don't watch "college ball" or any TV.  TV and Hollywood are for scum who support The Matrix. 

F Penn State.  The whole Penn State klan involved in the rapist should get strung up.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:41 | 3115233 dobermangang
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The next Mini iPad needs to be made of gold and able to shoot lead.  A gold, mini tablet that shoots bullets is a sure winner!

Got Guns???  Got Ammo???  Got Food???

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:01 | 3115323 northerngirl
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LOL!  Now that is the, "American Spirit".

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:06 | 3115349 dobermangang
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It would be even better than the Flashlight/concealed machine gun.

Hopefully with 256GB of memory.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:49 | 3115264 W74
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During the month of November, following the election, Maryland State Troopers processed more than double the applications they process during any other month of the year.

Shocking, I know.  Even here in liberal-la-la-land people are clamoring to get permits.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:50 | 3115271 GoldMInerJoe
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F2 = ?F1


Clue x 4 soon to follow

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:56 | 3115281 dwdollar
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I'd like to get half a dozen AR15 stripped lower receivers. My dad has offered to buy them. Haven't been to the local gun store yet. Scared to really... Scared to leave the house after the attempted break-in and scared to see empty shelves at the gun store. Still haven't set up my security cameras yet. I thought I got a good deal on two, but they turned out to be junk. Now I have to wait on more to arrive. All I have is my Glock to hold the fort down. Basically I've become a paranoid motherfucker... and I believe I have every justification to be one. Same as all you.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:08 | 3115368 aerojet
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I think you might need a vacation.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:13 | 3115623 MachoMan
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Get a dog... 

Good luck on stripped lowers though...  it will take quite a while to score any.  I would suggest aluminum (or anything) instead of polymer. 

Not sure why you're wanting stripped lowers though...  from the sounds of things, you need a home defense weapon and an ar 15 is not particularly well suited for that role if there are a few circumstances present, e.g. background/penetration.  You might consider a shotgun for that role...  and if you're not familiar with a pump gun, then get a semi auto...   ~18.5" barrel unless you want to go NFA.  Plenty of good potential suitors.

If you do not have to worry about some of the other factors, an AR should do just fine...

Just out of curiosity (as has been guestimated above) what are your plans regarding 6 stripped lowers?  Do you have any plans of selling them in the future?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:28 | 3115696 seek
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I'd argue an AR is the perfect home defense weapon, 5.56 is actually less likely to overpenetrate or ricochet than virtually any other round (I realize this seem unintuitive, but it's genuinely the case as the bullet fragments radically upon impact with walls.) Those factors really aren't an issue.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:30 | 3115711 Canucklehead
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The shotgun is the way to go.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:42 | 3116024 MachoMan
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so it's your contention that xm855 (what should be in the magazine of every AR) penetrates walls less than #4 or #6 birdshot (a solid HD round)?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:32 | 3116281 Freddie
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May  I suggest - Tactical Tracer XM856 .223/5.56 NATO ammunition.  You can see what you are shooting at.  you may burn down your house.

I used to be an NRA member but they are a bit soft compared to the GOA. The NRA sucks up to Hairy Reed in NV.  Anyway, their magazine always had stories about granny or gramps, home alone and some crack/meth head breaks in.  They usually start roughing up the old person.

Granny or gramps has an old .22 wheel gun and tells them to stop.  The old person shoots, guy stmpbles and dies in the yard.

I am not sure how many times I have read some version of that.  I guess any gun is better than no gun.  People saw a shotgun for home use but if a loved one is near the perp then maybe not such a good choice.

An accurate hit with a .22 or even .380 can work well.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:23 | 3116226 DosZap
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I'd argue an AR is the perfect home defense weapon, 5.56 is actually less likely to over penetrate or ricochet than virtually any other round (I realize this seem unintuitive, but it's genuinely the case as the bullet fragments radically upon impact with walls.) Those factors really aren't an issue.


And you would totally incorrect,Glasers/Frangible is the way for inside protectionWith an AR,or handguns), IF you live with others, and /or you live in an apartment complex/duplex.Any 5.56 round NATO spec will penetrate walls like a knife thu hot butter,as will any ball ammo, and hollow point, even out of a pistol/revolver,etc.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:03 | 3117098 Buckaroo Banzai
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Your dead wrong. M193 barely penetrates two layers of sheetrock.

M855 would pose a problem, but just don't use that.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:50 | 3115803 Plata con Carne
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'Unmilled,' annodized lowers can be found online for about $90, and the jig to drill 'em out for $125.00. 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:49 | 3116355 DosZap
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'Unmilled,' annodized lowers can be found online for about $90, and the jig to drill 'em out for $125.00.

And those $90.00 Unmilled, hope you are damn good machinist, and do not make a mistake, all it takes is ONE,and they are paperweights.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:55 | 3116091 DosZap
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 My dad has offered to buy them.

Forget finding any,no matter who pays.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:35 | 3116291 chubbar
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I've got a half dozen stag arms ar 15 lowers coming next week. My Biz partner and I were surprised when he found them available.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:55 | 3115289 I am a Man I am...
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RGR and SWHC two of my top picks for the year.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:01 | 3115319 dobermangang
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I wouldn't be surprised if one or both companies go private this year.  Cheap valuations on high growth stocks producing oodles of cash.  Both should do very well in 2013.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:55 | 3115293 bank guy in Brussels
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Seems like America needs some junior military officers to arrest Obama, these Congressional clowns and these corrupt US judges

And bring back the US Constitution into force

God bless the brave people in America who understand the 'moment of truth' they are facing

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:21 | 3115428 DoChenRollingBearing
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I greened you, but it ain't gonna happen.  Implosion will happen before our Armed Forces react.  Nice thought though, MILLIONS would cheer and run through the streets yelling "Hallelujah!"

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:50 | 3115792 toomanyfakecons...
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It not only can happen, it must happen.


That very scenario is outlined in the Wilcock/Drake interview -


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:41 | 3116315 Freddie
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This old guy Drake has been pitching this story since last year.  I wish but he was right but it seems like he is talking sh*t.  Come across pops or go back to telling your old Nam stories.  Another war LBJ and Pentagon f***ked over a binch of kids.

The Joint Chiefs and Pentagon are filled with cowards or scum like Betrayus chasing that nasty fat muzzie poon tang at country club outside MacDill where all the skany muzzie spy women with mustaches hang.  Skanky muzzie beotches named Kelly.  I hope they all got STDs.

Meanwhile the kids in uniform rot in Afghanistan while the musliminternally nukes America.,

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:57 | 3115301 XitSam
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Anyone have yearly or monthly stats on background checks? I heard that 2012 was up over 2011, was it bigger than 2009?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:55 | 3115829 seek
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My understanding is that we've been seeing new monthly records for Nov/Dec, so yes, bigger than 2009.

Note that some states (Kentucky) are doing some pretty strange things with NICS which is inflating the number. (Kentucy is dropping their entire CCW list into the NICS system every month!)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:58 | 3115309 dexter_morgan
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One question. If they do end up grabbing all the guns, from law abiding citizens of course, then would the families of anyone wounded or killed by a criminal with a gun be able to sue the Feds for billions for taking away their right to defend themselves?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:12 | 3115382 DrDre
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And when is the last time a law-abiding citizen has been really able to defend himself/herself from a criminal with a gun? 



Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:12 | 3115387 aerojet
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You're kidding, right?  It happens every single day.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:26 | 3115450 DrDre
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Sure, the news report this all the time.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:13 | 3115617 chubbar
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Do you wonder why they don't report it??? Two days after Newtown a man down in texas (IIRC) went into a store and shot his ex girlfriend. All the other folks ran screaming into the theater next door. The gunman followed them and got off a couple of rounds before being shot dead by a female with a concealed carry permit. I linked to it on a ZH post the other day so several other posters commented on that article. She was given an award by the city just the other day. The reason you didn't hear about it is because it doesn't fit the narrative that guns kill people and are no good to society. Go back to sleep.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:41 | 3116326 chubbar
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Thanks for the link Xitsam, I couldn't find it again. Correction to my above narrative, the shooter didn't die and is in stable condition after being shot 4 times. Too bad, asshole. Now the taxpayers get to spend 50K+/yr housing the idiot.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:21 | 3115660 Dr. Engali
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Heh.."news report" that's funny.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:20 | 3115650 Dr. Engali
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A simple google search will reveal thousands of such incidences, but you already knew that.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:12 | 3115383 aerojet
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The answer is no.  The government cannot be sued in that manner.  But it's a bullshit question because there will never be such an overt act in the US.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 23:14 | 3117462 Cloud9.5
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The government has no duty to protect you.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:09 | 3115374 DrDre
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This is good news. Having more people killed will help keep the population growth in check and help solve the entitlements problem. It will also provide endless training for new trauma surgeons.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:30 | 3115463 are we there yet
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If congress has a plan to bore us to death with endless stupidity, so they can pass more stupidity, then it is working.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:31 | 3115467 zerotohero
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This article appeared in the Chicago Tribune - written by Michael Bryant - pretty much sums it up:


I’m from Canada, and live in a city about the size of Chicago. The societal makeup of Toronto is similar to any big American city: a mix of very rich, very poor, a shrinking middle class and about 15 per cent of the population share an affliction that can be dangerous. That 15 per cent are mentally ill or drug addicts or alcoholics, capable of irrational rage and literally senseless behaviour. Give them an explosive or a machete or some pool acid or a gun, and there will be a greater chance of a tragedy.

I’m a recovering alcoholic, a former attorney general of Canada’s largest province and a Harvard-trained lawyer who recently published a book on how any life can change in an instant. I spend a lot of time with recovering drug addicts and alcoholics and with people who have been classified, in their lifetime, as psychotic.

Here’s what I think.

Too many guns equal too many funerals. Fewer guns, fewer funerals. In Toronto, there have been about 50 homicides this year. It’s likely Chicago will exceed 500 homicides this year. When asked how that could be, Chicago police Superintendent Garry McCarthy stated the obvious: gun control.

Put aside for the moment that the Conservative government of Canada recently did away with the registry for “long guns.” The bottom line is that thanks to limitations on who can own a gun, what guns citizens can own and where the guns are kept, there are a lot fewer guns in Canada. There are about 30 guns per 100 people in Canada. In the U.S., there are almost as many guns as people: 88 guns per 100 people.

So gun control is risk management. More guns, more funerals. Lots more guns, lots more funerals.

This doesn’t explain what happened in Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. But if the U.S. wants to lower the risk of another tragedy like the one in Newtown, it ought to institute more limitations on who can own a gun, how many, what kinds and where the guns are stored.

Fewer guns, fewer funerals. That’s the lesson from Canada, anyway.

My condolences to everyone.


Michael Bryant, born and raised in Greater Victoria, instituted a series of anti-gun measures during his tenure as attorney general of Ontario from 2003 to 2007. He wrote this for the Chicago Tribune.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:51 | 3115532 pursueliberty
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What is the african canadian population of Toronto?  How many of those 50 in Toronto were black on black.


Look at the stats in chicago where one member or more of the violent gun related crime were african.  Take those away and look at the numbers.

Actually, look at any city with high gun violence and you will see the answer.



It will seem racist, but clearly banning all black males will solve the problem and reduce shootings according to the numbers. 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:34 | 3116272 object_orient
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Chicago has about 3X more guns and 4X more blacks than Toronto. Maybe your argument is 33% better than his?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:54 | 3115547 Oldwood
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Chicago has very strict gun laws, so exactly how does that align with their homicide statistics, say compared to someplace like Dallas? I have no doubt that if you could get rid of all guns, eventually gun violence would diminish. But don't you think that gun violence, like all violence is a symptom of issues far beyond gun laws?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:57 | 3115559 SILVERGEDDON

Michael Bryant is a ball sucking member of the aristocracy still trying to give his overlords a rim job for a pet on the head. 

He can go die in a fire set by the sociopath that home invades his digs, and fucks up his family real good.

Except that - he probably owns an arsenal of his own.

These fuckers are like Animal Farm.

" All animals are equal. BUT - some animals are more equal than others "

TPTB have no interest in governing themselves, just a desire to control the lackeys beneath their feet.

I'm a Canadian, and this fuck can go fuck himself with the toe of my boot.

The Second Amendment is why I married an American, came down here, and gave Canada's draconian gun laws the middle finger.

Those bitchez are OWNED up there.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:12 | 3115613 zerotohero
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Canada is a better place now that you left :)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:25 | 3115683 Canucklehead
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Canada is the land of the smiley face :)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:07 | 3116461 SILVERGEDDON

When the SHTF, you will be eating medicated snot in the Canadian version of a FEMA camp located on the former Camp Borden north of Toronto, waiting to be turned into soap.

If your pacifist libtard neighbors haven't bar b q ed your sorry ass for dinner first.

Bitch ass lackey troll.

Grow a fucking spine, and crawl out of the lackey pool of British Monarchy aristocratic piss they allow you to swim around in.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:28 | 3116550 Freddie
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+1 My man.

Awesome rant!  Sorry I gave you a down arrow once.

The Western Canadians (not Vancouver) are pretty bad ass cowboys. 

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 19:10 | 3116714 zerotohero
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snore - this is typical of your type - not very realistic but hey have at 'er I'm a big boy - toodles

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:35 | 3115720 toomanyfakecons...
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Canada-Quebec should split or otherwise secede for many of the same reasons the U.S. should.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:50 | 3116359 Freddie
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The Western Canadian provinces should join with the normal USA red western states down to Texas and tell the libs to F off.

Hey you want food and energy from the flyover regions - pay up. 

As they said in GoodFellas (I hate hollywood and gangster pictures where they make gangsters look good). 

No money for nat gas Chicago?  F you pay up.  No money NY for wheat for food? F you pay up.  

Canadians are generally good folks.  The Frenchies or Quebeois - not so much.

I have some Canadian neighbors and they understand the protocol for Ameican and Candian flags on flag poles better than the American neighbors.   Lights on at night on the flags.  The arsehole Americans hang dumb college flags.  Retards.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:01 | 3115571 chubbar
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It's my understanding that Chicago has one if not the most restrictive gun control laws in the nation. You'll notice that the folks shooting others are almost always criminal, meaning they could give a shit what law is passed. That is why there are 500 homicides in Chicago, there are more criminals/gang members than in Toronto. To think a law will keep a criminal from locating and using a gun is fucking ridiculous. What the gun control law does do is keep someone who is law abiding from having one handy should a criminal come calling on them whether at home or on the street.

I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy to lug around.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:13 | 3115624 Vergeltung
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whew, indistrial strength logic fail in that post.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:20 | 3115661 zerotohero
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Wed, 01/02/2013 - 19:45 | 3116828 gnomon
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When some gang shows up at your house and all you have is a single-shot shotgun with birdshot in it remember what you said here today as you are getting ass-raped while your wife is getting it both ways.

You are stupid for depending on the State for your protection.  Soon they won't even be able to do a good post-mortem what with the police cutbacks, (not that it matters at that point).

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:14 | 3117127 zerotohero
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having a chuckle on this post by g-no - yes thats all I ever think about ALL THE TIME - random "gangs" showing up at my house - jesus you Amerikans just continue living in fear.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:38 | 3117207 gnomon
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Hey Moron, what do you think happens down here when the government runs out of money, when we lose our reserve currency privileges?  It will be like Argentina, but worse.

(And don't tell me that it is not going to happen).

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:55 | 3117419 zerotohero
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ok i won't - your fucked i guess




Thu, 01/03/2013 - 22:15 | 3120858 SILVERGEDDON

Wait until all of those East Indians and Chinese that have taken over Toronto get hungry.

Shortly after a major currency event collapses the bank infrastructure, therefore credit, and ATM access to prevent the bank run already happening.

Payments stop, people don't get paid, trucking stops, the just in time economy disintegrates, and all those folks decide you might be like dog, cat, and rat.

" Tastes like chicken! Or, pork, in your case. "

If you don't think that is a very real possibility, then you are already turning on a spit over a fire on Younge Street.

It ain't living in fear. It is the fucked up teetering on the brink arrogance of the modern society to think we are immune from the occurrences chronicled throughout history.

Super powers, from the Romans to the Greeks to the Ottomans to the Spanish, Dutch, French, Gritish, Germans, Japanese, Russians, Chinese, Americans, and smug Canadians, they all rise and fall. 

This time around, with the whole world economically interconnected, and quadrillions of dollars in CDS, DERIVATIVES, AND OTHER EXOTIC FINANCIAL HORSE SHIT hanging over the necks of common people like the Sword of Damocolese, it will take a miracle to save our sorry asses from what the Powers That Be have engineered to entertain themselveS, and line their pockets with.

You aren't a fucking Boy Scout, that's for sure. 

Anyone with a pulse and an I.Q. will Be Prepared.

I would rather laugh it all off as being well prepared for nothing, than to face the music with a spork and a paper plate of crap in some relocation camp for unprepared survivors after the SHTF.

Good luck, you sorry excuse for natural selection.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:35 | 3115477 toomanyfakecons...
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I'll tell you what, private, face to face sales must be at an all time high too. Some states have rather liberal laws for in-state, resident to resident sales. The used market is where it's at.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:53 | 3115540 pursueliberty
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Its always been that way here in arkansas.  The used market is in full force right now and I'm seeing more guns listed than normal and not too high of prices in some cases.  A friend picked up a ar locally fsbo for $1,300 this past weekend that was almost new.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:45 | 3115781 toomanyfakecons...
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There is money being made with all the crazy pricing and hysteria. The new generation of buyers is often paying more for guns found online (both dealer and private sales), without checking their local shops and other sources.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 19:54 | 3116869 pursueliberty
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No shit, I bought a 20 rnd mag and 140 rnds of brass cased .223 today for a whopping 100 fiat dollars.  Wal Mart is bare except larger hunting rounds and you can walk into a pawn shop and buy 1000 rounds of non marked up ammo.


I did find some brass reloads today that will be under $.50 a round delivered so I picked up 1k.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:40 | 3115491 optimator
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And of course all those background checks will be recorded.  Almost as good as registration.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:49 | 3115520 Conax
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It IS registration. They have your name, address, driver's license number, gun model and serial number, everything.  What else do they need?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:13 | 3116490 Rearranging Dec...
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Really that same federal government who didn't have an fbi file database capable of keyword searches at 9/11 is suddenly going to be all competent in gun background check databases.? Why would CA's Assemblyman Michael Feuer have authored a bill so that the records of all long guns checks are kept indefinitely when they were previously destroyed after 10 days.

This is government not private industry. The capability exists and will be here in 2014 in CA for all guns handguns and longguns but to assume that much competence in your federal Government shows a certain je ne sais quo.



Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:43 | 3115503 bigrooster
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That number is higher because I bought two without a background check since I have my CCW!  The bad news is that my fishing boat sank the day after with the guns in it.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:58 | 3115565 Oldwood
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Dredging for all of the lost gold, silver, guns and ammo will be the industry of the future!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:55 | 3115552 My Days Are Get...
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Another reason why I just bought more ammo:


This article is from the propaganda arm of the Russian government.    It is still worth reading.   For those of us fighting for our traditional rights, the US 2nd Amendment is a rare light in an ever darkening room.     Governments will use the excuse of trying to protect the people from maniacs and crime,     but are in reality, it is the bureaucrats protecting their power and position.     Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns.     Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology.     They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question.     They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:03 | 3115586 Oldwood
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Don't worry, they would never be the one to pull the trigger. They would find it much easier and enjoyable to coerce another, who being fearful of the loss of their own liberty, will take your's.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:01 | 3115851 toomanyfakecons...
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Get it while you can. If the price tags on my old ammo are any indication, prices are going straight up.


The best deals on ammo today would have been a ripoff 10 or 20 years ago.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:58 | 3116410 Freddie
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Pravda and Russia Today (RT) are far more accurate than ANY U.S. news source except maybe Investors Business Daily.   Cancel sat or cable TV because you just support the elites and also Hollywood's shit.

TV and Hollywood want you disarmed and Fox is no better.  They are all sh*t.

Russia Today or RT can be found on the internet.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:08 | 3116464 Rearranging Dec...
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I don't always agree with Fredie, but in this case he couldn't be more right.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:59 | 3115566 lolmao500
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Alongside buying guns, people should start calling the traitors in state legislatures and congress...

Illinois is going full retard THIS WEEK :

Illinois Bill to Ban All Modern Firearms

“Based on what we know about Cullerton’s bill, firearms that would be banned include all semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns. Pump action shotguns would be banned as well. This would be a very comprehensive ban that would include not only so-called ‘assault weapons’ but also such classics as M1 Garands and 1911-based pistols. There would be no exemptions and no grandfathering. You would have a very short window to turn in your guns to the State Police to avoid prosecution.”

And the GOP is getting ready to backstab the 2nd amendment as well :

Emails :

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:05 | 3115587 lolmao500
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Statist extraordinaire Donald Kaut :

Kaul: Nation needs a new agenda on guns

Repeal the Second Amendment, the part about guns anyway. It’s badly written, confusing and more trouble than it’s worth. It offers an absolute right to gun ownership, but it puts it in the context of the need for a “well-regulated militia.” We don’t make our militia bring their own guns to battles. And surely the Founders couldn’t have envisioned weapons like those used in the Newtown shooting when they guaranteed gun rights. Owning a gun should be a privilege, not a right.

• Declare the NRA a terrorist organization and make membership illegal. Hey! We did it to the Communist Party, and the NRA has led to the deaths of more of us than American Commies ever did. (I would also raze the organization’s headquarters, clear the rubble and salt the earth, but that’s optional.) Make ownership of unlicensed assault rifles a felony. If some people refused to give up their guns, that “prying the guns from their cold, dead hands” thing works for me.

Then I would tie Mitch McConnell and John Boehner, our esteemed Republican leaders, to the back of a Chevy pickup truck and drag them around a parking lot until they saw the light on gun control.

And if that didn’t work, I’d adopt radical measures.


Yeah with people like that running around, you DEFINETLY don't need guns, amiright?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:13 | 3115619 dexter_morgan
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Pretty typical objective news piece in today's era of objective and unbiased reporting. Are those threats he's makin on Boehner and company? Perhaps the SS (Secret Service) should visit him.......oh, wait that only if a guy like Nugent says something rude - doesn't apply to libtards, so sorry.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:15 | 3115632 Oldwood
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Congress spent most of its first two years under Obama pursuing and passing a healthcare reform bill that while having been shown to be constitution (not really) was clearly not wanted by a majority of the American people. Does anyone think they won't do everything in their power to make this happen? This is a lynchpin to our constitutional rights. Once it is gone, nothing will be left to stand in their way. They have surveillance, indefinite imprisonment and once they have our guns, they will never have to say I'm sorry again! Oh, and I forgot interstate commerce, which pretty much takes care of everything in between.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:03 | 3116432 Rearranging Dec...
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Agreed its clearly the lynchpin amendment. Funny I always thought Alex Jones was sniffing too much glue. Boy was I wrong. Sad New Year everyone.


MOLON LABE bitchez!


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:38 | 3115742 WT Sherman
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The true depth of America's future misery is impossible for most people to fathom.  Oh to be a liberal democrat or moocher sucking off the gov't teet and not give a rat's ass about anything.

Buy the following items with both hands:

- Guns

- Ammo

- Gas

- Water

- Food

- Solar power system

- Generator

- Batteries

- Bibles

Go to church and pray because 2013 is going to be a really crappy year.  And if the crap doesn't hit the fan this year it will within the next couple of years.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:59 | 3115842 DosZap
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within the next couple of years.

If only we were SO LUCKY to get even one more, to keep preparing.I think the pot boils over in 13.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:19 | 3115938 Shell Game
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Let's hope for fast collapse and the rise of strong local economies.

An essential item for every list is an Alt-Skill - a means of supporting family after trade wars and currency wars end in collapse.  Mine is shoe-making.  3D printers are coming down in price; hydroponics for food production; ammunition reloading/gunsmithing; animal husbandry; metal-smithing, etc.

Don't just survive, Thrive, bitchez.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 19:15 | 3116731 zerotohero
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sounds like fun - not in our life times though

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:40 | 3115750 chaartist
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I have never expected that a country could go down the old russian way in controling people so fast. This is like making lists of people posing  potential domestic threaths to status stupidity. Now it will not be religion but some other bullshit metrics, guns, taken pills, speed tickets. 

I ask myself what could be done if for some few thousand years the same goes on and on and only with different bacground music?


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:02 | 3116426 Freddie
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2008 - I knew it would implode like the old USSR.  Our version will be a lot worse.  The only good thing is maybe the elites will not end up on top like they did in Russia.  They probably will anyway. 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 10:37 | 3140404 MeelionDollerBogus
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Black hole budgets for nuclear arms - expensive & extremely corrosive stuff in one way or another - Soviets & USSA must collapse from this. These toys produce nothing but radioactive poison, we all work (taxed) to pay for replacement parts. You have no idea how much you slave to keep that poison going.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:46 | 3115777 Mad Mohel
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Buying guns? Machine gun staccato in your front yards, fuck that jazz. Fuck the guns, see you all at the FEMA camps!  I wanna be first in line to get dibs on a top bunk. Free meals all around bitchez!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:00 | 3116422 edifice
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Yeah, one bowl of watery soup, per day; vaguely reminiscent of the camps in 1940s Poland... Then it's back to work, slave!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:47 | 3116612 Mad Mohel
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Different than today how? Only difference is internet access will be curtailed. Most of us can use a break from spankin anyway.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 20:19 | 3116957 edifice
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Big difference... Literally... I look around and think to myself, "Some of these people could use only one bowl of watery soup per day."

I guess the side benefit is, in 20 years, obesity won't be a problem in this country.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:23 | 3117164 NOTfromSanFrancisco
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Let's see... 1,700 guns last year, maybe 2,500 guns this year... Hey Los Angeles... How's that cash for guns buy back program working for you?... Actually, thanks for getting all those broken, defective firearms out of circulation...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 22:24 | 3117343 stant
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theres not that many bambis out there, must be more dangerous game

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 17:40 | 3120105 DosZap
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