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Total Debt: $16,432,730,050,569.12; Debt To GDP: 103%

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We already knew that the US crossed the debt ceiling on New Year's day. It is, however, one thing to read a Geithner press release, it is another to see America's ridiculous debt it in action. So here it is, courtesy of TreasuryDirect, in all its debt ceiling glory: $16,432,730,050,569.12, with the debt subject to the ceiling at the limit of $16.394 trillion.

And with that we can close the books on the first quarter of Fiscal 2013, in which US public debt grew by $366 billion, some $122 billion per month on average.

This number will now remain fixed, and not change for the next two months, or until the debt ceiling is once again riased, most likely by another $2.4 trillion to $18.8 trillion, to much theatrical kicking and screaming, some time in February or March. In the meantime, any new debt issuance will have to be offset dollar for dollar with a reduction in various government retirement funds, Federal asset sales, SLGS issuance suspension, and the various other internal and external liability rearrangement, i.e., the Treasury's emergency response, the various components of which were listed here.

And for those curious what this means in debt/GDP terms, we apply the roughly 1.5% annualized GDP growth to Q4 GDP to get a debt/GDP number at December 31, 2012 of 103%, and rising very rapidly.

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Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:21 | 3116530 Rogue Trooper
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An awesome tune by the Vapors indeed.  Perhaps more fitting prose from Iron Maiden, "The Wickerman",  

Irony BRitChez  - some serious Guitar :)

"You watch the world exploding every single night
Dancing in the sun a newborn in the light
Brothers and their fathers joining hands and make a chain
The shadow of the Wicker Man is rising up again

Your time will come, your time will come
Your time will come, your time will come"


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:03 | 3116135 wcvarones
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>> we apply the roughly 1.5% annualized GDP growth to Q4 GDP

That's <i>real</i> GDP.  Don't forget Zimbabwe Ben's contribution of ~2% devaluation.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:09 | 3116167 docmac324
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Bankrupt baby.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:10 | 3116174 Yen Cross
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 The U.S. has now gained another #1 distinction... Global Banana Republic.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:30 | 3116265 BullsNBeers
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I hope the clothing will be cheaper than the normal Banana Republic.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:13 | 3116181 luna_man
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Lest, anyone forget, MY MAIN MAN, is keeping score here!!


I dare Anyone, to attempt to fudge the number's

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:14 | 3116188 Waterfallsparkles
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I hate it when the Rating Agencys and the Market try to get the Congress and Senate to do their bidding thru the threat of Downgrades or lowered Stock Prices.

Trying to influence proper Fiscal Policy based on their view of the US Debt is outrageous.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:15 | 3116193 Investor Wizard
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Ben and Timmy have plans to transfer that debt to 16.4 billion Visa 0% introductory offer credit cards. Problem solved for 180 days!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:27 | 3116253 SokPOTUS
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The 29.9% Penalty Rate next June's a bitch though...

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:37 | 3116310 SokPOTUS
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I got a down arrow for that?  WTF?  Not funny (enough?) I guess.  Next time, I'll add more snark.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:29 | 3116259 Bunga Bunga
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They would just need bigger limos to carry all these credit cards.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:26 | 3116248 lolmao500
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Timmyyyyyyy will have a problem soon enough :


Republican Rep. Peter King of New York said Wednesday that House Speaker John Boehner has promised a vote Friday on $9 billion in disaster aid for Superstorm Sandy and then another vote on $51 billion in aid on January 15.

How much money can Timmy steal from the government pension funds? More than $60 billion? He better hope so or else... things could get hilarious real fast.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:34 | 3116287 SokPOTUS
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About $300B from the G-Fund; then there's a smaller .gov worker fund of about $50B.  We are on a run rate of $122B of deficit per month for the first three months of this FY; Oct-Dec; so on or about April 1 through 10 before TSHTF.  There's also a State and Local Construction Bond guarantee program they can suspend; but that would bring road construction projects in bad credit states like CA and IL to a screeching halt just in time for Spring; thousands of 'shovel ready' jobs would be un-saved or dis-created.  States with 'good' credit ratings could probably finance their own, w/o FedGov guarantees.  Suspending that program in the Spring could probably buy another week or two. 

Sandy Relief would bump time forward though a couple of weeks to mid-to-end of March, instead.

It's gonna be epic.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:29 | 3116257 zapdude
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Reinhart & Rogoff will be proven right once again. 

Once a nation breaches the ~80% debt to GDP ratio, they have passed the point of no return towards default. 

The US will default, only after the confetti money printing has made US debt totally worthless.

FORWARD, soviet!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:31 | 3116273 lolmao500
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I want it to happen during Obama's term so all those statists slaves Obamabots cry their eyes out and harakiri when they realized they have been fools all this time... it'll be hilarious.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:38 | 3116317 zapdude
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I'm afraid when that happens, we'll all be too busy trying to stay alive in some "Walking Dead" scenario where we're ducking bullets and practicing ditch medicine because civilization has collapsed. 

No time for schadenfreude.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 19:15 | 3116733 akak
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There's always room for Jello ... and brains!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:32 | 3116566 supafuckinmingster
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Zapdude: "Reinhart & Rogoff will be proven right once again. 

Once a nation breaches the ~80% debt to GDP ratio, they have passed the point of no return towards default. 

The US will default, only after the confetti money printing has made US debt totally worthless.

FORWARD, soviet!"


Little o'l Irelands is 1093% apparantely. Do we have a prayer?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:36 | 3116300 cognus
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It works great for the Japanese - I'm sure it will work here.  as long as those yields are this low, take the Money Benny!  take it 'til the rate hits 6

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:37 | 3116313 Smuckers
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So by dropping the penny from production, does the total go down to .10, or up to .15?

This is very important.


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:38 | 3116314 Grinder74
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Why do I keep getting CougarLife.com ads?  Is ZeroHedge trying to get me to stop worrying about US debt?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:39 | 3116319 SokPOTUS
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Looks like a chart of AAPL for 10/1/11 - 09/30/12

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:41 | 3116327 Titus Flavius C...
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Have you fellas seen Krugman's latest?




I think the stress is getting to him.


Attack, gentlemen - attack!


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 19:22 | 3116763 yogibear
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Always thought Krugman would feel quite proud standing in front of the military reviewing stand in a socialist nation. The faster he destroys the US and it's constitution the sooner he gets to bask in the light of the new world order.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:41 | 3116328 seek
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US GDP: $15T

$122B/Month, annualized: $1.5T ($1.46 rounded up for simplicity)

So we're now adding 10% of the GDP to debt every year, or another way to look at it, supporting GDP by printing to the tune of 10% per year.

No way out of this one. And were that spending to go away -- instant depression.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 10:38 | 3116329 Doctor Faustus
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“Fools that will laugh on earth, must weep in hell.”


Christopher Marlowe, Doctor Faustus

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:50 | 3116356 yrbmegr
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There was a time when we were running a surplus.  Anybody remember that?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:52 | 3116368 Irelevant
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Yup, that was smoke and mirrors as well.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:02 | 3116431 Titus Flavius C...
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No - that was horseshit... just an accounting trick using your social security taxes.



Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:50 | 3116361 Irelevant
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US debt is irrelevant. PODS had a very good post, debt is the solution when you have a debt based currency. The problem is confidence, if that collapses so does the system. That is why they are manipulating gold so much. However, they soon must start manipulating corn, oil, soybeans, milk, cement, water, and all those other real things that can`t be printed up ... unless you have a 3d printer.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:56 | 3116400 GMadScientist
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Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:07 | 3116449 Mr. Hudson
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More debt means more money, since money is a receipt of debt. Too bad the banks are the only ones who get all the money from Bernanke. They will subsidize food when prices get too high; just like they are currently doing with milk.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:23 | 3116533 MiltonFriedmans...
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Long 3D printers........


Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:52 | 3116376 Campagnolo
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...and counting bitches, yes counting more to the debt every day....

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:05 | 3116444 Dre4dwolf
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Who lent all this money, and where did they get it to give it in the first place?

;) The debt is meaningless.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:10 | 3116475 Mr. Hudson
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The Fed authorizes the debt. The Fed loves the debt to go up and up because when the day comes that America can't pay on the debt, FDR gave the Fed the power to take every inch of land in America; whether it be public or private.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:08 | 3116467 GubbermintWorker
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It's all monopoly money any way *shrug*

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:11 | 3116477 TerminalDebt
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Inflation so bad you can't get a decent hooker for 5 bucks anymore

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:12 | 3116483 AgAu_man
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$16T+? I didn't build that! Not one single FRN of it.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:13 | 3116493 Bansters-in-my-...
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......................Serfs Up...........................

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:20 | 3116521 Bansters-in-my-...
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And the Rothschilds smile   :0)

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 19:44 | 3116827 Rob Paulson
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Here's an interesting video I'm watching:


Kyle Bass on what happens when debt reaches 20x tax revenue.  

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 21:40 | 3117218 newworldorder
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This new number has no meaningfull consequences. It would be 20 trillion as it does not matter to the "person on the street." UNTILL THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES, IT'S JUST NUMBER ONLY.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 06:25 | 3118025 AmeliaV
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The debt of the Federal government is just huge, probably the US is at first place among all the countries with developed economy. And this debt grows with every minutes because no one tries to eliminate it and make it lower. How can the economy be healthy if borrowing money and using payday loans in hour has become a lifestyle for the US? Everybody has debts today. But I think that the debt of the Federal Government doesn’t let the economy to develop and keep us at the same place, we do not go any further. Until we have this problem it will be hard to see any economic progress. 

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